Network update: LTE goes live in Gardner, MA plus a map of T-Mobile’s 700MHz spectrum

Some interesting tidbits of information to share with you this morning. I’ve collected a couple of really interesting updates regarding T-Mobile’s network expansion and improvement. First off, is a really handy map which shows the markets where T-Mo already owns 700MHz spectrum, and the areas in which it has agreed to buy. Tip of the hat to one of our readers, Edward for pointing it out to me.

700MHz Spectrum Map

The pink areas show where T-Mobile already owns the spectrum. The yellow/brown areas are the areas in which it has applications to purchase the airwaves from third parties. For those interested, there’s a Google Site blog post being updated every time T-Mobile applies to purchase band 12 spectrum. The most recent purchase application was made in Rochester, NY-PA, Fargo-Moorhead, ND-MN and Grand Forks, ND-MN areas on September 19th.

TMOvsChan51 As for those red circles surrounding antenna icons, those are the areas where T-Mobile needs to deal with the TV Channel 51 interference. The FCC and the owners of those airwaves are working to move them to a different band/frequency. As well as the blog post, there’s also an interactive map where you can see which spectrum is live in which locations, and which carriers own it.

As for devices compatible, T-Mobile’s not announced anything officially. And you can understand why. The network is still in its very early stages, and it would still like to sell lots of its non-compatible phones to customers. So far, the Samsung Galaxy Avant and ZTE ZMAX are the two compatible devices on sale. Upcoming devices include the Sony Xperia Z3 and Galaxy Note 4. Tablets include the Galaxy Tab 4 and Galaxy Tab S 10.5.

There’s some confusion over the new Moto X. One model – number XT1092 – is compatible with all of T-Mobile’s bands, including band 12, 700MHz A-block. But the model Motorola’s currently selling unlocked with a T-Mo SIM isn’t that model. And it’s not band 12 compatible. We’ll keep an eye on any changes, but perhaps T-Mobile is planning to sell a version through its own channels at some point. Who knows?

LTE in Gardner, MA

Gardner, MA

We get sent network upgrade information fairly often here, and those recent shows some splashes of LTE going live in Gardner, MA for the first time. And as you’d expect from early-stage LTE, speed tests have been inconsistent, to say the least. And to clarify, this is not 700MHz.I’ve changed the headline to be a little clearer.

It seems to be wildly inconsistent, with download speeds ranging from barely measurable up to about 13 Mbs, but I take it that that is not unusual behavior when they are first lighting up LTE. Upload speeds still average under 1 Mbs, but the upload test always starts with a spike of over 20 Mbs before settling back down.”

Good news for those of you living in the area, I’m sure. At least, when it’s up and running consistently, it’ll be fantastic.

Cincinnati – LTE speeds

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Not long ago, we posted a short article to let you know about developments in Cincinnati too. The network there is still in its early days, but speeds are improving in the West side of the city. Downtown Cincinnati should be fully lit-up by November – or so we’ve heard – so it’ll be good to keep an eye on any new locations if you live near that area.

Thanks to everyone, as always, who sends this information in. If you see any new developments, particularly if you manage to get on a new 700MHz site, email your news to


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  • MadJoe

    Gardner, MA didn’t even have HSPA (nevermind HSPA+) the other week while I was there (spent the majority of my time there with weak “G” signal iirc), how the hell are they now sporting 700MHz LTE? Not to mention the 1 person in Gardner that has T-Mobile probably only has a flip phone anyway. Lighting up 700MHz LTE in Gardner, MA was a huge waste of resources if you ask me.

    • Adrayven

      It’s called expanding into a new market they didn’t have before.. lol

      Sheesh.. people complain when they don’t have anything in areas, then when they expand, they complain about it.. can’t win!

      • MadJoe

        I don’t know if you’ve ever been to Gardner, MA, but they were famous for furniture (which they no longer produce) and still have a giant chair on the elementary school’s front lawn to commemorate their past. Nothing else is happening in Gardner except for a mass-exodus of residents. But I do go there occasionally to visit a friend who just couldn’t resist the amazing real estate prices (even though his commute is almost an hour), so having LTE there will be nice (I was mistaken that it was only 700MHz, apparently, so that’s what I was questioning. “Why 700MHz in Gardner?”)

    • monkeybutts

      They have to start somewhere. 700 MHz is perfect for gaining new customers in the long run.

    • Cam Bunton

      Sorry for the confusion, Gardner doesn’t have 700MHz, it’s a separate update. Hence the headline breaks.

      • MadJoe

        Ahh, missed that. That’s good news then. Thanks for the clarification.

    • Cam Bunton

      I’ve changed the headline, and added a sentence in the post. This is just a roundup post of all the network changes I’ve noted from the past week or so.

    • dethduck

      First off, plenty of people in Gardner, and the including towns, have T-Mobile, thanks to wifi-calling. Secondly, considering from past Rutland on T-Mobile was a black hole, the fact that they are finally bringing reception into the rural central mass areas is phenomenal.

      • MadJoe

        I don’t believe that for one second; all of the people I know who live out that way have Verizon for exactly the reason you said: T-Mo is a black hole out that way (or was, at least). Seriously though, my comment was in error because I was under the impression that it was just 700MHz LTE (which only 1 or 2 available phones support, if even any yet), but Cam has cleared that up. Typical LTE in Gardner is great news, since I routinely visit and like to make fun of the giant chair on the front lawn of the elementary school (giant furniture is tacky. Since giants don’t exist, who’s going to sit on it?).

    • iamanalog

      I get HSPA+ in the downtown area on a nonLTE s3. But like every other city in the area (Leominster and Fitchburg) as soon as I leave the downtown areas it’s a horrible mix of edge, 3G and HSPA+.
      I guess it’s about time to get a new phone.

  • sushimane

    keep it up tmobile.

  • Justin Brock

    So you mean to tell me I’ve been waiting on them to turn up 700 MHz in Lexington, Kentucky and they don’t even OWN nor have APPLIED for any of that spectrum here? /sigh We need building penetration BADLY in this town. This is pretty frustrating.

    • Adrayven

      Wait for november and 600Mhz auction next year.. This is just the start of their low-band purchasing..

      I’m in Michigan, looks like they will have the whole state plastered. WOO HOO! :D

      Well, once they get the CH 51 thing figured out anyway. hehe

      • jt

        Michigan tmobile coverage is abysmal. Cannot get coverage in 70 percent of the state. Just at&t roaming.

        • nelagster

          Maybe 70 percent of the land area but not 70 percent of where people are living. Their network is great in not just big cities but even smaller cities like Jackson, Brighton, Bay City, etc. Now that they’ve completely covered the state in 700mhz spectrum, it’s just a matter of time until we’ll have state-wide coverage

    • fentonr

      They have to do more than just apply for spectrum, they have to buy it from someone who already has it.

      • Bluegrapes

        What’s the process of that? Are there people who hoard cell towers/spectrum with plans to resell it in the future to interested companies?

        • fentonr

          Most of the the time its other cell providers that have spectrum they haven’t built out yet.

  • Archon

    no love for des moines,ia :(

    • Zander

      Iowa needs some love! I need to convince my wife to switch from USCC!

  • Ryan

    Can’t wait for them to finally expand their michigan coverage. Right now I cant drive north of lansing without roaming.

    • chris

      Totally agree with you also from Michigan I am finally happy they are expanding coverage in Michigan because I also can’t drive north like Big Rapids, Mt pleasant from Grand rapids without coverage about time !!!

    • nelagster

      Yes I am also waiting for Michigan coverage BUT they have definitely been expanding. Driving north from Detroit/Ann Arbor used to lose 3G/4G north of Clarkston or Brighton and then you only had it again in Flint. Now, driving North on 23 from Ann Arbor you basically have 3G/4G all the way up to Bay City and even a little farther north. Up until about a year ago that was all EDGE

      • g2a5b0e

        I noticed that too. My girlfriend’s family lives in Brighton. It was EDGE or worse up there until a few weeks ago. Now I regularly see 4G. T-Mobile is moving at a rapid pace & having been a customer for 11 years, I’m very happy to see it.

  • yankeesusa

    T-Mobile just keeps getting better. Their no Verizon but they sure are great and can’t beat the price and while in a major city you get speeds faster than any other company. Living it up with T-Mobile lte.

    • g2a5b0e

      I completely agree. Too many folks overpay for Verizon or AT&T when they spend 99% of their time in the big city they live in. They literally have no idea how much money they’re throwing away. Been with T-Mobile for 11 years. I’ve never had a reason to leave, but they keep giving me more reasons to stay.

      • yankeesusa

        That’s exactly it. If you travel for work or a lot just to travel or don’t have tmobile service in your area then your only options are att or verizon. But if you get service from tmobile with LTE coverage over 98% of the time then why not? Their LTE speeds are usually the best.

  • Bryan Pizzuti

    Wow, that really isn’t a lot of coverage yet when you look at the map, is it? Definitely a decent start, but they really need this for flyover country too.

    Hopefully they can pick up lots more A-block licenses, and get Band 12 LTE roaming agreements with the ones actually using them (such as USCC).

    • EndlessIke

      Well, there aren’t really a lot of people that live out there. It may make the map look better, but won’t have a huge impact.The conversion of Edge to LTE is going to be far more important for flyover country. Band 12 might create some slight improvement in range, but its primary benefit was always going to be improved building penetration in dense areas.

      • GuyBorg

        I am sure the other main benefit is cheaper operating costs. With low band spectrum, it travels further, thus requiring less towers to operate. This is part of the reason the big two(AT&T and Verizon) are able to create so much profit and sustain low operating costs.

        • Kidney_Thief

          It doesn’t hurt that they also provide landline service. Makes them a ton of money.

    • James Kozak

      they are working on it if you can tell. its cost billion and billions of dollars to do

  • Brenden

    You talk about what the Red Circles mean. But what do the Blue/Grayish Circles Mean in Kansas City & Atlanta??

    • taron19119

      channel 51 have been cleared

      • Brenden

        I guess I’m color blind. The circles are Green, not Blue lol.

        • enoch861

          You sir, might have Deuteranopia or Protanopia. That will be $500 payable to Mr. Cam Bunton for the quick diagnosis and he recommends you visit your optometrist for further testing.

    • Naruto44

      Green circles mean the relocation fo those city on other band/channel.

  • Tmobile

    Omaha has no service

    • enoch861

      No LTE but I believe it has HSPA. At least when I drove through it it did. Lincoln on the other hand…

    • Tmobile

      Omaha has let but a lot of dead zones

  • Baz

    Once upon a time, a map of the 700MHz A-block was posted in this (January if I recall), and it looked significantly different than this one. I recall seeing more of the mid-Atlantic and North Florida having coverage, unlike this one.

    Why the discrepancy?

  • Mj

    What abot iPhone 6 supporting this band?

    • Kidney_Thief

      It doesn’t support Band 12, so you’re out of luck.

      • Mooch

        HA! That oughta do wonders for the iphone 6 sales on Tmo.

        • enoch861

          Not many people are aware of band 12. So at the end of the day, no lost sales for T-Mobile except from us more technical users and we aren’t that many.

        • MJ

          What about a software update for iPhone?

        • enoch861

          If the hardware doesn’t support it, software can’t either.
          If I’m not mistaken, the iPhone 6’s hardware just straight up doesn’t support the bands so it’s impossible to add it from just a software update.

      • MJ

        What about a software update? Would that enable it?

        • Kidney_Thief

          It would have to go through the FCC again to add it, which I don’t see happening.

  • Jay J. Blanco

    Sprint is going to be going down once everything is in the clear to build the 700mhz network

    • Tblow

      Dream on buddy, Sprint is not going anywhere any time soon. By the time Tmo gets that 700mzh that y’all brag about constantly, Sprint will be ahead of the game. LOL.. But that’s cool, y’all keep on dreaming, just make sure you don’t fall off that cloud right on your face.

      • Jay J. Blanco

        There going down as we speak to #4…..
        They don’t even know what direction there upgrades are going. They are so lost

        • D Nice

          Lol maybe Tblow is lost also.

        • Vic

          He’s probably lost back in 2010 where Sprint made some crazy promises and hype about Network Vision.

        • D Nice

          I know lol.

        • sidekicker89

          Network Vision? More like “Network Nightmare” haha

        • Romdude

          Then you guys might really be upset if Tmobile finds its way since even in its “lost” state, it’s kicking the three other carriers’ butts in postpaids. Where I live, you’d be lucky to get 12mbps on Sprint, usually half that at best, yes I’ve tried it, never again.

        • Jay J. Blanco

          Not at all Carrier Aggregation coming soon.

        • markw

          And what does that do for you, genius. They’ve added millions of subs and laid off thousands of customer service employees. It just took me 46 minutes to get customer care on the phone! And every new sub slows data speeds which aren’t great anyway. Going to crappy cricket tomorrow. $100 for porting from tmo and $55 a month for unlimited talk, text and 10 gigs of lte data. Bye! Capped at 8mbps download? I never get 8mbps of download on lte at turd mobile. And it works Everywhere!!

      • Rod

        Yeah, cause Spark’s ‘rapid’ rollout to 27 cities and a 3G network slower than edge and dailup is the best way to get ahead of the game. After losing 550,000+ this year, if Sprint keeps it up they’ll have the fastest network in the country cause no one will be using it.

  • Amanda Johnson

    Cannot get coverage in 70 percent of the state. Just at&t roaming.

  • k

    Cam, there was a comment made last week or week before by Neville Ray regarding several additional 700mhz deals that would cover 9million more POPs. Does this new coverage in ND, NY, PA, cover those 9million additional? I wouldn’t think so. Could you find out more on this subject?

  • South NJ/Philly PA here – and ZERO complaints on service – ive been with magenta for a good 15yrs or so – back to Voicestream days… #zerocomplaints

    • Mooch

      Wait, how are…oh..right, you must be in Philly proper. For kicks, take a trip up here to Bucks county (specifically Newtown/Doylestown) and enjoy some good ole fashioned 2G. Even better, walk inside a building and enjoy that paperweight in your pocket.

      • best of luck getting better service :(

  • NOYB

    Also worth mentioning, the green circles on the map are ch. 51 stations that will move to another frequency pending FCC approval.

  • Chad Dalton

    I’m in one of those channel 51 areas…North Carolina…what does that mean for me?

    • Kidney_Thief

      T-Mobile doesn’t own any 700 MHz spectrum in North Carolina, so it means very little.

      • Chad Dalton

        ahh ok thanks!

  • Jay Holm

    So it looks like Ct will be covered by the 700 Band 12, and won’t have any channel 51 issues to deal with. Hopefully T-Mobile will cover the ENTIRE state with 700mhz!!!

  • Rob H.

    I would love to see Western TN to get 700Mhz coverage. In many areas, its a 2 horse race(VZW,AT&T). T-Mobile only has 2G coverage following I40 through the area.

  • JaswinderSinghJammu

    Went to Davis and Sacramento CA over the weekend via I-80 east and drive back down 5 South to 205 and thru Livermore and only at one spot on I-5 near Thornton CA lost coverage and I was pleasantly surprised with LTE coverage leaving Sacramento.

    • KijBeta

      You obviously didn’t walk downtown much in Sacramento or into the buildings. We desperately need some 700MHz to help the random dead spots and in several buildings.

  • ragumaster

    So if your phone doesn’t have band 12 you wont pick up service in that area correct?

    • enoch861

      You won’t pick up LTE on that band, correct.

      • vrm

        incorrect. LTE will still be available on AWS or HSPA and so you may still “pick up” LTE.

        • Ashton3002

          Did you not understand the “on that band” part?

    • mingkee

      It appears band 4 and 12 are overlapped in most areas. You can use band 4 LTE as you’re using right now.

  • Chris

    Lte is on in chester ny

  • david

    Is there a possibility that the T-Mobile version of the Xperia Z3 will get band 12?

    • substance

      Z3 will support band 12

  • Nick

    Yes! Looks like 700mhz LTE is a go in cicny.

  • William Burr Winans

    I live in Aiken, SC and in the past couple weeks I have noticed I am now getting more 4G LTE now! I have posted the all the data on Sensorly and happy T-Mobile customer, Gogo T-Mobile

    • Jay J. Blanco

      That’d awesome. Camden SC is being upgraded to HSPA. I mapped a small portion yesterday. You’ll have to check under 2G-3G to see it.

    • I live in Williston (20 miles away) and we are being upgraded to 3G-4G. However, I don’t know if we will get 4G before Thanksgiving. Also, I found out that Cavalier holds a 700 block license that T-Mob will need for our area, because WFXG won’t be able to move to Channel 31 (WRDW’s former digital station) due to possible interference with WAGT and the main SCETV station, WRLK.

  • Rod

    I’m loving how their 700mhz holdings conviently exclude San Diego County.

    • gentleman559

      Im so loving how it includes most of CA especially Sacramento. ;-)

      • sahib102 .

        and part of northern cali especially orland :D ….. sucks for corning and up though :/

    • EffortLess

      They have issues due to the regulations around the naval bases.

  • Austin

    Dang it, I’m in Stockton, it it just barely in the red zone that has channel 51 interference.

  • Cat

    What? Why is San Diego excluded!!!

    • Hoops

      Its owned by a different company that they have not tried to buy from. I believe its ab license co.

  • The XT1092 model of the Moto X seems to be made for Sprint (CDMA, LTE bands 12, 25, 26 and 41), but apparently Sprint has said that they won’t be carrying it. I don’t know if I believe that.

    • XT1092 is for US Cellular, not Sprint. The GSM/UMTS is because AT&T won’t give a roaming agreement without GSM/UMTS roaming. So more phones will have GSM/UMTS alongside CDMA/LTE for US Cellular roaming.

  • ChrisKringle

    Does the new iPhone support the band that’s carrying the 700 MHz frequency?

    • Sam Samuel

      No, it doesn’t. The Samsung Avant and Samsung Galaxy Note 4 are the only two phones that I’ve heard of that will support it. There will be more phones supporting it in the near future.

      • ChrisKringle

        Aww man. That’s hurt T-Mobile stance with the iPhone 6 to some degree. That 700 frequency is essential for in-building coverage and there’s a lot of iPhone users in the U.S.

        • may

          Iphone users will just buy them regardless. They don’t have a clue which frequencies it sports.

  • mingkee

    I am not in hurry at this time because I have repeater installed at home plus Wi-Fi calling support, but hopefully the forthcoming G4 will have band 12.

  • sidekicker89

    My question is why is T-Mobile still selling HSPA+ only devices? Isn’t the goal to use all the spectrum ( or most ) for LTE? Wouldn’t it be an easier transition to VoLTE if more customers use LTE devices?

    • Nick

      Good question

    • david

      LTE requires a newer, more expensive SoC. Most, if not all HSPA+ only devices are budget phones.


        The galaxy light is a budget phone, but supports LTE.

        • eanfoso

          But it’s still a Samsung though

      • eanfoso

        Dude the lumia 635 is LTE and you can get if for 99$

    • MastarPete

      Sure, it would be better, but they’re not looking to ditch HSPA overnight, not when it would mean offering a free phone to speed up the changeover, and LTE chips aren’t that cheap yet.

      HSPA isn’t going away for several more years though so it’s not immediately critical to avoid buying an HSPA only device. if you’re not tethering or trying to use your phone as your primary internet, then an HSPA phone is plenty for most normal people.

  • Magnetic

    Been with TMO for 18 years and just combined two family plans for a total of 9 lines. Each line is $14.17 a piece with a VA discount. That is just a great price for TT and data!

    • Laststop311

      t-mobile has not existed for 18 years

      • Tommy

        technically they have around that long. Well really for 13 or 14 years. Keep in mind back in 1999-2000 it was called Voicestream. He might be including that to. Just an fyi

      • Nerd_Baller

        It used to be voicestream, and before that, digiph pcs

      • Magnetic

        Yep, you got me. I was with Voicestream before that. When I call TMO they thank me for nearly 18 years of loyalty. October 24th will make 18 years.

        • Laststop311

          well technically that was not called t-mobile then therefore it’s not tmobile. I don’t count different owners as t mobile

        • Magnetic

          You’re right, it wasn’t called T-Mobile, but in quoting their history, “T-Mobile US, Inc. traces its roots to the 1994 establishment of VoiceStream Wireless PCS as a subsidiary of Western Wireless Corporation.” I joined then and I haven’t gone anywhere since. They trace that loyalty back to 1996 with Voicestream.

    • orlando duran

      ^^^^ tmobile hasn’t existed here in the US for 18 years

  • Laststop311

    This makes me even MORE happy. No channel 51 interference in cleveland ohio area. Guess that means I’ll have 700mhz even faster. Man when we get some 600mhz spectrum as well north east ohio should have some big fat 20 + 20 or even 30 + 30 LTE. Good job t-mobile. Now if you will just announce official support on the galaxy note 4 I can put my order in.

  • rusky

    I’m seeing lte on the west side of Cincinnati.

  • vwnessa

    if i buy a phone that support band 12, does it work NOW in the pink area on the map? or have to wait for tmobile to activate the network someday?

    • Shorttyy713

      Has to be activated on the network in the local area

  • Bori

    LTE in Covington KY! Right across the river from downtown Cincinnati!
    5mbs down 1.05 up, 43 ping so far

  • Alex C.

    I woke up this morning with LTE showing on my Note 3 in Cincinnati. Unfortunately it only gave me half of the speed that the HSPA+ has been giving me for the last year at my house. I was downloading at around 3Mbps and uploading at like 0.5Mbps.

    • rusky

      It definitely sucks right now.

      • Nerd_Baller

        If lte just lit up, give the network engineers time to finish upgrading. It took several weeks in salt lake when lte went live. Cheers :D

  • nycplayboy78

    Well the Washington, DC and NYC Metro areas have 700MHz available so 2015 is looking like a good year for T-Mobile and correct me if I am wrong but don’t the Galaxy Note 4 and Galaxy Note Edge support 700MHz?

  • Bori

    Florence KY LTE as well.

  • JoeTXn

    Woke up with LTE in Florence, ky!!! Been going up and down all morning. Best has been 11.48 down and 3.05 up @ 44 ping on my Nexus 5

  • gadget_hero

    The really should look at buying us cellular it would really fill out the 700MHz holdings plus give them more PCS and AWS. And about 5mil more customers.

  • Search4Truth37

    LTE here in Cincinnati today.

  • lecie

    This could be why my 4G has been acting up the last two weeks here at home in Chicago. It’s been jumping from all 4 bars to 3 then it goes back but when it goes to 3 bars my texts take forever to send and that’s only happened recently.

    • Louie

      I’ve had a solid LTE connection ranging 4-5 bars all the time. Last time I drooped to HSPA+ was when taking the Blue Line underground… Also don’t have that issue with texts as they basically send instantly.

      • lecie

        I live right by O’Hare and have never really had this issue for years but the last two weeks I have and then I see this article. It makes me wonder. I haven’t called T-Mobile because I’m sure eventually it’ll fix itself but it’s annoying sometimes lol.

  • Anonymous

    Dude they need to snatch up the 700 from Vulcam right quick to add in Seatown and Portland. What the hell is Paul Allen going to do with a 2 market non national 700A market. Sell already brother.

  • HothTron

    What the hell, and not even in its home town of Bellevue where I am? Lame Tmo…

  • Bluegrapes

    Is band 12 worth it? My phone that I just brought only uses band 4 :(
    Also how is T-mobile’s service like in NJ? I’m on MetroPCS and about to switch from a CDMA phone to a GSM phone that uses T-mobile’s GSM network,

    • Shorttyy713

      Good question

  • Ray

    LTE in fort hood now

  • JMF_mobile

    Shocked to find LTE in rural Boone county Arkansas. Was only edge the last time I was here a couple months ago. Only 1 or 2 bars out of four but still way faster than Edge and pulling near 10 Mbps down.

  • David van den Berg

    I’ve been a T-Mobile customer since February (I did the ETF buyout promotion) – I live in the Virginia suburbs of Washington, DC and have an iphone 5c. The phone largely works fine, though at work and in some buildings around the region, where I have to rely on wi-fi, the phone’s performance is hit and miss. I’m wondering if the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 – assuming it will have access to band 12 and therefore work better indoors and take greater advantage of T-Mobile’s network – is worth using my JUMP upgrade opportunity for. Obviously I’d want to play with the phone and make sure I like it, but I’m looking for thoughts from this community about how big a deal the band 12 thing really is – how differently, and perhaps how much better will a phone that has it perform compared to a phone that doesn’t? It’s for this reason I don’t see upgrading from a non band 12 phone to another one, but I’d welcome any feedback on this. Thanks.

    • Chrstttp9

      Some networks namely Verizon, At&t, Sprint, and T-Mobile don’t fully retune the parameters of the frequencies…therefore you get half of the full potential LTE can deliver…and High frequencies can penetrate if setup and again tuning is right…example: my family has T- Mobil e and their house is made of concrete and the get all bars.

  • Greg2099

    I see the 10.5 Tab is mentioned but still no date of arrival? Anyone know? All the other major carriers already ahead of them