T-Mobile Closing Its Doors In 2011? Not So Fast!

Update: Thanks to a sharp reader I did indeed incorrectly source the Wall Street 24/7 article which states companies that WILL disappear in 2011 when the Yahoo News article erroneously states companies that MAY disappear, guess I should pay more attention too. Doesn’t change the fact that it doesn’t say the company itself will disappear, just the brand so T-Mobile may live on according to them only under a different name and perhaps different ownership. Either way, I still think the article sucks.

For a while now an article has been floating around that originated on 24/7 Wall Street which states 10 Brands that will disappear in 2011. A number of you have written in as though T-Mobile is already beginning to pack it in and I’d like to take this quick editorial to remind you that isn’t the case. Quite the contrary is true and the article itself merely states things that we already know. T-Mobile is in fourth place, check. A merger and/or acquisition of Sprint being discussed, check. Stating that T-Mobile has no future in the US simply because they are in fourth place is just irresponsible journalism. In 2009 the very same article was written with 12 different brands that would disappear and while its true that some did, such as Palm, AIG and Eddie Bauer, not all of them did, and most of them were blatantly obvious and were already on the way out at the time the list was published. As of this moment, there is zero indication that T-Mobile is currently for sale, currently being pursued by a partner or another carrier or that Deutsche Telekom is making an effort to purchase someone else. That’s not to say its not happening far far behind the scenes, but publicly, none of this is taking place.

So while so many of you have expressed concern and written in stated that you don’t want your favorite wireless carrier to disappear, stop acting like it already has. While we won’t sugarcoat their outlook and say that they are likely to surpass Sprint by years end, calling them done in the US is just stupid. That’s just my opinion however and while I hardly qualify as an expert on T-Mobile’s financial position, I know this report also stated Old Navy would be closing its doors and I’m pretty sure I was in one of their stores yesterday as well. Sure you can respond that the year is only half over but since 24/7 Wall Street was only half right last time, lets just assume they’ll be only be half right again. Even if that is the case, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to make these predictions, they are merely taking companies that are well known to be in trouble and stating they will close.  I mean really, BP, seriously? Is there anyone out there that actually wants BP to stay in business right now?

Bottom line, stop panicking, and stop reading this as though it’s already happened or that T-Mobile already has a closed sign on its doors. Relax and buy the Samsung Vibrant, you’ll be happy you did.

24/7 Wall Street

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  • oh you can read?

    THANK YOU!!!
    there are some people who can read, but perhaps their reading comprehension is lacking just a bit huh?

  • thoughtSausage


  • Darien

    I agree with trying to be more optimistic. Not only that but think of the PR they will gain when people think that they are going under and they finally unveil their own version of 4g in the coming months with the slew of phones to boot. Honestly, it will all spin around, and heck even if it doesn’t a merger wouldn’t be a bad thing as long as they stay clear away from AT&T.

  • Titty!

    LOL T-Mobile is going nowhere. Nowhere negativee, that is.
    Better yet, in the next few years T-Mobile will just be doing better & better.
    I hate this articles.
    They’re frustrating, inaccurate, injustice assumptions.
    I wish I could meet all authors, laugh in their face, then later insult them with the middle finger.
    Then blog aboutt it! :D

    From me, on behalf of T-Mobile: “Eat Our Dust!” XD

  • coolMANDINGO

    great company but BAD choices in handsets!

    • Testament

      I absolutely agree! Waiting until November will be hard due to unstable internet on my touch pro 2, and the Vibrant just ain’t doing it ( it’s not even Hspa+)

      • Mockerfab4

        +2. Love Tmo, but moving on to the iPhone 4 with the worst carrier in the US. Hate ATT, but they have the phone I want. If only Tmo had a Nokia phone or something not Android, I’d reconsider switching carriers. Hope this article is dead wrong, because I hope to make it back to Tmo someday.

      • watbetch

        Why would you even mention the Touch Pro 2 and the Vibrant in the same sentence?

      • john

        @mockerfab enjoy the ifail, none of us care, the android platform can do more than the iphone anyway. If you want a nokia smartphone get an e73, if you want to go to a horrible phone w/a horrible company be my guest.

      • checkthis

        ok think about that last part a sec. all of the current 3g phones with tmobile will be able to enjoy hspa+, just not the full capabilities of it. meaning not all handsets will get the 21mbps, but they will be able to use the hspa+. thats what makes us stand out from say sprint or at&t or verizon. to use their faster speeds u have to get a new handset, not so with tmobile.

      • Mockerfab4

        Thanks John. I will enjoy my iPhone 4. And enjoy Android. Only thing I enjoyed about it was giving it back to Tmobile. Worst. experience. ever.

    • nokiabrock

      I totally agree. Not only bad handset choices, but their advertising campaigns SUCK. They need to take some pointers from VZ advertising department. As much as I PERSONALLY dislike Verizon. Every time I see one of their adds on TV. It makes me want to go out and buy one of their handsets.

      • Dashi

        So Basically you want to pay 30 bucks more a month so that there can be more people on the service? how does that make sence

  • mailman13877

    LMFAO TMO is gonna be gone the way they are doing business or maybe not seeing there are so many TMO loving SETTLERS,EVO 4eva lol..28th can’t come fast enuff so i cant join the company that will buy out TMO..SPRINT haha

    • mailman13877

      so i CAN* join

    • B

      Sprint can barely afford the million customers leaving every quarter. If anyone is buying anything, I’m sure it would be T-Mobile USA’s parent company purchasing Sprint.

    • Technogen

      As someone whom spent most of the day using my friends rooted evo, I’m going to say you’re making a poor choice. You’ll be even more sad when you see people with the Galaxy s doing awesome video at and gaming, while you’re suck capped under 30fps.

      The Evo is not as great as a lot of people on here seem to make it out to be.

    • coolMANDINGO

      im might be following you cuzo.

    • God

      LOL. Are you retarded?

      Actually, yes. It looks very much like you are.

  • Testament

    T-Mobile’s going nowhere. If anything they’ll grow bigger.

  • JR

    I have no idea why people think Tmo will disappear. Yes, they are in 4th place but, their parent company Duetsche Telekom is one of the top three in Europe, if not the largest. These PR articles are ridiculous and pointless commentary.

    • mailman13877

      Actually their parent company is where the rumor started when it was assumed that the parent company was being forced to merge with some next UK company if i remember right.TMO has been sucking people in the USA dry for years with their low end phones but that will stop if they keep it up.They have been 4th for over 10 years and has never been closer to 3rd since the G1 but as you can see they have taken a deep dive back into 4th cause of their BS phones.You SETTLERS go support em and keep em afloat in 4th b4 the Boost mobile nation takes over now that they have android phones that’s starting to threaten TMOs android devices lmao jk..but no seriously

      • B

        Why are you here? Seriously

      • Davidohio

        Did mailman really say that Boost Mobile is a threat to t-mobile with that brick android they just got with android 1.5? lmao! That is really funny! Shows you how stupid he really is lol

    • 2FR35H


      I agree with you. Why is he here? He must have nothing better to do with his life.

      • Duh

        I second that…y is he here and all tmo haters that are blogging on a tmo news site…wat are u a moron…get a damn life and blog on your own carriers site if u don’t like tmo and b-and-moan over every little thing thts not perfect…cz if everything is so bad at tmo jus take your balls out of the little box in your closet stored next to your brain and pride and actually get courage to leave…just don’t come bak to tmo cryin in the next cpl of quarters pissin and moanin tht ur payin out the ass for ur crap ass att sprint or whoeva service…jus enjoy the crappy phone u left tmo for tht will be obsolete in a month as you stare over the wall of your new carriers outrageous etf wishin u cud b apart of a carrier that is still on the rise…

      • Dashi

        LOLZ He’s Here Cause He Likes To Try To Get Us Reiled Up And No He Doesnt Have Anything Better To Do He Has Proven This

  • TMoRep

    Last year yahoo said Sprint was one of those 10 companies to disappear, those guys are for sure still kickin with the Evo.

    By the way, pricing for the Vibrant is $199 after $50 rebate and $499 off contract to get off topic. This is what I saw on the price cards today and we got 15 in on Friday. Order says another 50 plus on the way for our store. Just in case anyone was wondering.

  • tokinotabumblb

    Lol @ Relax and buy the Samsung Vibrant. Cute. Girls usually have an obsession with shoes and handbags. I, on the other hand, have a slight obsession with cell phones, especially HTC Android. But I have to stop and learn to buy one phone a year….

  • BBSwany

    The article from 24/7 is retarded. Some of those companies are in dire straights, but it’s painfully obvious they are. Kia Motors? T-Mobile? BP? LMAO! BP has enough cash on hand to not make another penny for three years and still be in business. OMG! T-Mobile ONLY made $ 306 million, better close the doors now… Kia has a niche market that no one can compete against. Hyundai would be retarded to shut down the brand.
    What makes this article even more dumb is that the “analyst” or “journalist” doesn’t understand that Sprint and T-Mobile run incompatible networks. Sure, there have been rumors about it, but seriously.
    Watch out for their follow up piece: iPhone coming to Verizon this summer!

    • mailman13877

      Im glad your not getting the picture..Kia is indeed in trouble cuzz as a driver ,their cars suck and don’t sell as much.And if you think TMO making $306 million is a lot then your retarded cuzz there are athletes who make that kinda money with endorsements included if they fulfill their contracts entirely.Tiger Woods wife is getting $700 million if memory serves right just off a devorce so what is $306 million..smh you are another example of why TMO is in 4th place.

      HSPA+ is faster than 4G i suppose but TMO lame service issues will mess that up cuzz i was watching a video of Sprint 3G vs Apples 3G on the ipad and you would think they come in the same time but no..Sprint hands down took the show on multiple test so yea keep thinking your HSPA+ will be super fast..I know from my G1 that the 3G here in NYC is not as fast when testing my G1 to my friends iphone 3G.TMO lacks to many key things and i hope you all realize it soon.

      • BBSwany

        $ 306 million of operating profit is a good thing. They could be in the red and bleeding like Spring continues to be. And what point does capitalism turn to greed?! Tiger is worth over $1 Billion. DT’s market cap: $ 52 BILLION. A bit of diference between the two.
        And Kia sucks. Why? Because YOU say so. One model on the IIHS 2010 top safety pick. Another model is a comsumer’s digest best buy. Don’t sell as much? That’s like saying Bentley sucks because of how many models they ship.
        I highly doubt I’m the reason T-Mo is in fourth place. The reason they are is because they have an absolute TERRIBLE phone selection. Yet the executives still seem to not grasp that if you need the cool devices to sign contracts.

      • meeee

        I’m pretty sure sprint hasn’t received any profit in the last couple years. Look up your facts mail man. no wonder you own a kia… lol

  • t-mobile suckz period they shud just quit already..

  • rahul

    i know this is slightly off topic, but how many of you are planning to go pick up a vibrant? im asking because im thinking of waiting till november or whenever for the new htc phones or just getting the vibrant. what do you guys think? what’re yall gonna do? thanks!

    • mailman13877

      I think you should not wait and get the HTC EVO..You may not need dual flash an 8MP cam with a FFC but at least your set for 2 years then you can go back to TMO if you want..by then TMO will be starting to bring out flash an VGA FFC lol.im getting the EVO..lol i love making these SETTLERS angry but 2001 to now as a TMO customer gives me the right to BoO em

    • 2FR35H


      I am getting the Samsung Vibrant for now plus you can always get the november phone later and we don’t know much of the devices anyways for sure except for android 3.0.

      By the time it comes out you will only be 5 months in then once a better phone arises sell the vibrant and get the new one.

      Please pay no attention to Mailman13877 because even spec wise the Samsung Vibrant is a much better performer the only thing Evo has over Galaxy S is a FFC and .3inches bigger everything else the Samsung Vibrant beats it in. There currently isn’t even a valid use for FFC seeing as only a few devices have it. Who would you really be video calling in the usa? FFC is currently unnecessary and useless. It will still be at least till the end of next year when FFC becomes useful in USA.

      In a previous study of FPS Samsungs processor beat the Nexus One and Desire of which both run the same processor as the Evo and it showed more than double the frames of Evo of which was at 22fps and Samsung’s at 55fps.

      Vibrant also has memory over the Evo. 16gb’s> Evo 1gb giving the Samsung Vibrant a total amount of storage of 48gb’s in total compared to Evo’s max of 33gb.

      It has a better screen that is more viewable under sun light and it uses less power than Evo 4g’s screen giving battery life an edge of a said 84hours of full battery life with moderate usage.

      • can i get a witness!


      • jscarano

        Damn right!

  • sidekicker89

    I currently have 11 cell phones from T-Mobile because we added 3 new ones today. The Blackberry Curve 8520, Nokia E73, and Samsung Gravity T. I’ve had T-Mobile since 2002 when they first took over VoiceStream and i still have the coverage map to prove it :-p I don’t think they’re going anyyywhere! why didnt they include a carrier like Metro PCS or Cricket on the list?? haha duhh

    • Testament

      LOL! That’s funny. Metro PCS is not going anywhere either. T-mobile is a way better carrier, but among the people I know the ratio is 20 to 1 favoring metro.

    • Zoog

      Because Metro PCS and Cricket are not national brands.

  • mingkee

    This is TOTALLY JUNK!
    The writer even doesn’t know what he is writing.

  • NiiDiddy

    getting the vibrant…
    …and i dont care whether tmobile goes away in 2011 or not…either way, i’m sure we’ll be okay and be taken care of – either by tmobile or by someone else.

    • Wilma Flintstone

      *while sprinkling fairy dust on Niididdy*
      you don’t want the vibrant, you don’t want the vibrant, you don’t want the vibrant hommmmm, hommmmmm, hommmmm, hommmm… It ain’t working is it? Dratz!!! I would’ve gotten away with it too if it wasn’t for those meddling kids.

      • NiiDiddy

        @WIlma – LOL. You got me dazed and confused there for a sec. Darn those meddling kids!! **But now I am high on fairy dust** wooohooo….try sniffing it and you’ll see what I’m talking about. Haha. :)

      • Testament

        I don’t think scooby doo’s crew can pry away the the Vibrant from em’. Let’s call the godpigeon.

        **back on topic**

        Just because T-mobile’s in fourth place doesn’t mean they’re dying. As long as they stay financially valuable they’ll be around.

      • NiiDiddy

        @Testament – i agree, and i think most of us know that ;)

      • Wilma Flintstone

        I don’t know about that Squit, the Godpigeon is good but NiiDiddy ain’t gon let go of his vibrant. I tried fairydust and it didn’t work so I’m not too sure what else to do. His will is too strong.

        oh man so THAAATS what fairydust really is. YUCK!!! Ain’t touchin that stuff again. Haaaa!!! :)

  • Shawn

    If Sprint buys out t-mobile, I better be allowed to cancel my contract with NO EARLY TERMINATION FEE. NO way in hell will I go from a company that has superious customer service, to sprints rude reps.

    If sprint buys them out, can we cancel our contracts with no ETF?

    • Shawn

      I meant superiour, not superious.

      • tokinotabumblb

        I totally agree. I love T-Mobile’s awesome customer service. The reps are always super nice whenever I talk to them. I highly doubt Sprint is buying out T-Mobile, especially when TMo is GSM and Sprint is CDMA.

      • underinsomnia

        I actually came to T-Mobile from Sprint. I had Nextel (before Sprint buyout) then had Sprint for like 3 years and had a chance to cancel without ETF due to a change in text messaging fees that made my contract null and void. It took me 2 months to battle it out with them because 3 Reps said they got rid of the charges but I kept getting billed for it. I do not plan on going back to that robotic rudeness they call Sprint Customer Service.

        My first dealing with T-Mobile CS put a smile on my face and at first, I thought I just happened to catch someone on a good day. T-Mobile CS keeps me a T-Mobile customer. Although I also whine about wanting a better android phone and get embarrassed at lunch when everyone’s phone on the table is either a EVO or a Droid, I would rather carry around my G1 knowing it’s backed by a CS team that takes care of me than to jump back to Sprint for a EVO “backed” by rude, inconsiderate, unfriendly, on 24-7 PMS Sprint Customer Service.

        Went to the Hamptons and the navi on the Evo lost connection, so we had to use the navi on my antique G1.

    • Wilma Flintstone

      no!!! If they buy them out, we’ll be locked down and tortured by The Apacolypse!!! NOT HIM, ANYBODY BUT MR. BLUE LIPS FROM XMEN!!! Haaaa!!! Just kidding.

      I agree though, we should be able to end contracts with no etf if that happens but I doubt that we will be.

    • 2FR35H

      That Scenario of Sprint buying out T-Mobile is HIGHLY unlikely because unlike sprint at&t and verizon t-mobile has a european division.

      • Vinchenzo

        Are we also forgetting that Sprint’s network is a big POS and there is one simple fact. Sprint doesn’t even own their own network anymore. They sold it to some 3rd party to gain back some liquidity. In essence, they are their own MVNO.

  • kat

    TMOBILE has alot of issues with their 3G Network, they state there is coverage in certain areas but for some reason they seem to go unwelcome after 5 or 7 months into contract. TMOBILE has alot of work ahead of them, but right now they don’t seem to be going anywhere…They are signing contract to acquire the APPLE Phone.

  • Overy

    Maybe we’d get better signal.. hah.

  • funky

    Quite honestly, T-Mobile seems to be the only carrier making responsible decisions in this economy. They dont take on handsets that will kill their networks. They offer some of the best pricing – I keep looking at the other carriers as new phones come out and I can’t justify the switch financially. Rather than expanding their network with additional hardware, they upgraded the software on their network to support HSPA+. Why in the world would anyone need anything faster than 21Mbps download speed? These are mobile phones, folks. I can just about stream 1080p from my G1 wifi tether and I am only seeing 3-4Mbps download speeds..

    Regardless of what folks say, they do offer good android devices. Just look at the leaked product linup for the remainder of they year.. They are not acting like a company that is getting ready to close their doors. They may not be the best, but you get what you pay for… IMHO they are the best bang for the buck. When everyone else is capping data plans, T-mo is staying put.

    Their financials may not look to great right now, but they seem to be growing responsibly. As long as they understand their place in the market, understand the boundaries and grow responsibly, they will be fine.

  • NolaDude

    Although it seems like beating a dead horse in just about every topic, but one thing is clear and proven…high end handsets sell contracts. Look at Sprint, their service isn’t the greatest, and their 4g coverage map is literally a joke, they should actually be ashamed of it…yet a kick arse phone like the EVO 4G has yielded them some big numbers.

    Tmobile needs to get in the game or they will be out. I have been with them from almost 8 years and the only reason I have put up with it is because the customer service is so great, and the prices are good….but I just keep telling myself “something will come up soon, it just has to”…but still nothing. Tmo was the 1st to have Android, now they fall behind, they were the first to use HTC regularly, yet the other guys get the better phones…we finally had a powerhouse with the Nexus One….only we couldn’t buy it from Tmobile, or choose your plan….starting to see a trend? There’s always a kink, everytime something starts on the right track, BAM….big left turn to nowhere. Even now…the Vibrant, a super phone without a simple flash…it’s always something. I think they need to clear out the TMobile USA execs and move in a new group with better decision making capabilities.

  • SpanD

    So the article says nothing regarding going out of business; it says the brand or name will disappear. I don’t see the correlation to how a name disappearing to going out of business.
    That would be like saying Suncom went out of business last year.
    Is T-Mobile struggling financially not even a chance.

    But when considering if a company is doing well in the wireless industry, isn’t it only about subs?

    • SpanD

      •Net income in the first quarter of 2010 was $362 million, compared to $306 million in the fourth quarter of 2009 and $322 million in the first quarter of 2009

      Yeah, $309 million for Q4, so essentially netting over $1.2 billion a year. Will be gone tomorrow.

      • Shawn

        Ummm I don’t think you are looking at the complete financial report, which shows a huge drop in cash and cash equivalents since 2008. They went from having 308 million in cash and cash equivalent assets in Dec 2008, to only 74 million in March of 2010. 74 million in cash and cash equivalent assets is actually very darn low.

        I’m not going to go into detail, but if you look at everything closely, the numbers actually don’t look good.

        Financial Reports can be found here:

      • Getreal

        @shawn. Do you think rolling out hspa for them is free? Their cash is fine and they are still making money.

      • TmoBully

        @Shawn Many companies in the US made less money since 2008.

  • Shawn

    LOL.. I just read the article.. the title actually DOES SAY 10 brands that WILL disappear.

    Tmonews.com has it wrong… the title doesn’t say MAY… it infact says WILL.

    here is the link to the article


    • David

      I caught that thanks to an email from a reader and there are two articles out there, well a repost from Yahoo News of the 24/7 article which uses the word “may” in the headline when the 24/7 article uses the word will. Go figure.

  • alex32

    dont believe the 24/7 wall street article. it poor journalism from there part. Are you seriously going to believe these people when they brought our economy down? please. the guy that did this wall street article is a fail.

    • NolaDude

      I agree, I don’t trust them, but unfortunately alot of people do…the article ticks me off because I own stock in DT that will likely go in the dumper now because people will freak and sell it. I am thinking about dumping it 1st thing Monday just so I don’t lose.

      • Shawn

        This article on 24/7 Wall ST, has been out for a month now. It was posted on June 15th, 2010. If you were going to sell it, you should have done it a month ago.

      • NolaDude

        Oh…lol, I didn’t even look at that, thanks! I just assumed that it was new. Actually, the stock has gone up almost a buck since last month!

  • Charles Xavier

    Ok, So I was reading this an generally agreed with everything up until the part about BP. I get why people hate BP right now. But its just as ignorant to NOT blame the federal government for their complete fumble on the entire situation.

    • David

      I agree, but I think we can all agree that the Federal Government isn’t a business thats in any danger of disappearing, at least in the sense in which this article discusses companies that might disappear in 2011.

      • Dashi

        We Could Only Wish

  • Stiiiwaiting

    I don’t know much about cell phones, but I know a bit about M&A’s, and if anything I think it’s more likely for tmo to acquire sprint, rather than the other way around.

    • analog spirit

      That’s what I was thinking too; they got it backwards.

  • Wilma Flintstone

    TMobile is walking down the street with the end music to the Hulk movie playing HAAA!!! Just kidding.

    Seriously though, hopefully that roadmap is accurate because if ot is, it seems like a desperation move from tmo to nab some good devices to keep themselves out of the scrappy wagon. Come on Tmo, use that Trump Card.

  • watbetch

    The mere suggestion of a merger with Virgin Mobile shows us that we have an “analyst” with no clue on the mobile world or with what is occurring at T-Mobile.

    T-Mobile heavily invested ($$$$$$$$) in it’s 3G network build out in 2009
    T-Mobile has it’s 3G beating WiMAX 4G and plans to go beyond 21Mbps HSPA+ with 42Mbps HSPA+.
    Sprint and Verizon have to go with 4G now because EV-DO can’t keep up with HSPA
    T-Mobile is still profitable, unlike it’s 3rd place “rival” SprintNextel (with 48 million customers)

  • analog spirit

    Well said, Dave. I saw that article too when it first came out and was a bit concerned at first, but then I realized that T-Mo USA probably wouldn’t be investing so heavily in their HSPA+ network if they were really that much of a “sinking ship.” Why would they waste all that money on it if they knew it “had no future in the US,” as that article claimed? So T-MO USA don’t look like they’re going anywhere anytime soon, and I’m greatly reassured by seeing their HSPA+ network continuing to roll out (it recently rolled out here in the L.A. area).
    IMHO, that 24/7 WS article was inaccurate and irresponsible journalism at best (if you can call that journalism).

  • Dean

    If you know more of the facts, you might believe that TMO is going under. Why would the Customer Care VP Sue Nokes quit and immediately after her CEO Robert Dotson steps down. The person coming in to run the show is from the parent company in the UK.

    What better way to see through a merger or sale than to have someone from the parent company running the show?

  • Jazz

    TMO can and should prove the D-Bags @ 24/7 wrong!

  • Vicosphi

    I say bring “Paul” the octopus and have him pick between T-mobile flag and WSJ flag ;)
    No, seriously what’s wrong with people? A Company that offers cheapest plans of all major telcos is going out of business??? Wake up people…

  • Quervo`

    Love what alex3 said about wall street. These are the same idiots that got us in trouble as a country in the first place. I was so pissed when I saw this article and felt it was very irresponsible thing say that. True, numbers have not been great recently… #recession. HTC HD2 was a great start to a turn around(couldn’t keep the thing in stock(despite it being windows yuck). And the father’s Day Promotion beat all time T-Mobile records. Last but not least, they reported said we have the slowest network, when WSJ.com just a few weeks ago stated we had the fastest.

    Sooooo, now that we have the sidekick issue gone(hell the whole line up for that matter), We have a new CEO bout to turn some things around, and we just spend a butt load of money on a new customer support system(yes I’m an employee, shhhh….) T-Mobile aint going nowhere.

    • Shawn

      Are you really an employee? If so, any insight as to what phone will be released in september. There is a leaked road map of a “HTC Vanguard” phone.
      If the rumors are true, I’m going to pass the Samsung Vibrant for a true HSPA+ phone.

      • john

        Even though some are employees, corporate plays a lot of things close to the chest. Won’t know about sep until mid august in most cases.

      • Quervo`

        Nope, I get most info on this site before I do at work.

  • Quervo`


  • jack

    t mobile great customer service, but horrible phones! stop ” waiting” for t-mobile to release something good your just guna be disappointed , cause they never will! reason why there numero 4 carrier.

    • Dashi

      I Never Understood How PPl Like You Who Bitch About Not Haveing The Highest End Smart Phone Are SOOOO Dumb Trying To Compensate? A Very Small Part Of The Phone Market Is Actually In Smart Phones The Majority Of Phones From ALL Companys Sold Are Mid To Low End Phones Most Respectable 30 Year Olds Want A Mid Phone That Does What They Need And Thats IT

  • soon2TMO

    there is no way that tmobile will be acquired by sprint.. tmobile being the 4th carrier may have something to do with tmo being the youngest nationwide carrier in the states. even sprint did not have good phone selections until recently with the evo and it was the 3rd carrier and still is.. so, you get the picture..

    verizon – more coverage means more customers, despite the skyrocketing rate plans, verizon was also one of the first to implement 3g networks along with att and sprint, but verizon was the one that had the best 3g coverage of all the three so that will attract more customers.. it is also the carrier chosen by many corporations.

    att – it has the iphone! the device that popularized smartphone in the US, and att has been very successful with this device and has gained much more customers because of this device.. and their 3g coverage as well seconding to verizons’..

    sprint – well not really as good as att and verizon, matter of fact it is almost on the same boat as tmobile, except that it is an older carrier with gained loyal customers already before tmo even penetrated the US mobile industry..

    these carriers have already gained loyal customers from years ago with family plans on them and have no plans on switching carriers anytime soon, despite tmobile’s good customer service, lower rate plans.. these 3 carriers are still giving tmobile a run for its money.. tmobile is on for a big challenge and even if tmo start offering good phones, these companies are bound to do the same and counter that strategy with their own.. LOL and now LTE is in the works so people are holding off for that and not planning on swtiching to tmo’s hspa+.. i hope tmo will mot come late to the LTE party , well dont matter we have hspa+ anyway.. hehe

    just my 2 cents, this could be a wrong perception of mine.. and the given info could also be incorrect..

    i like gsm and tmo’s better plans! so, im just days away from being part of tmobile ..

  • DJ_LL1

    T-mobile is not goin anywhere, they were just looking to buy out another telecom a few months ago. Fourth place isn’t bad considering that Verizon At&t and Sprint are not the only phone other companies in the US. At the rate At&t is going t-mobile may just move up

  • All the comments are from Tmo employees or Tmo fanboys lol. Its as simple as any other job out there in the corporate world. If you don’t hit your numbers you get fired. Last year’s report showed there losing customers. So if they don’t knock it out the park with end of the year phones its only inevitable. With this economy it only makes since. Only the strong survive.

    • Smylax

      What report are you reading? Tmobile had been gaining customers every quarter for the last two years. They didn’t have a net loss except for one quarter, which was q1 of this year. And it was only a loss of 70k which is much better than sprint’s loss of nearly a million customers every quarter for the last two years. Know your facts next time before opening your mouth…

  • peter fitzenwell

    Oh yeah can’t wait to try out my new Samsung Vibrant

  • mikeeeee

    new ceo coming.

    new marketing head in place now.

    these people have to make their bones and we win.

  • tmobluv

    you know ot does not take long to upgrade a tower and the fact is the amount of time and money being spent by tmobile makes me think they are ahead of the curve think about what if they are setting up the towers they turn hspa+ 4g lte as well and not turning them on make sense to me hey they are already spending the money why not double install. with that being said all they would have to do is turn it on. ohh and att lte network wont even be in test markets until 2011 sprints wimax is a joke not true 4g and big red bigger joke they well have i believe 4g where all 3g is by like 2013 soooo ohh and they cant hit double digit mbpa with big reds 4g lte in a lab so with that being said what do you think its gonna be in real world.

  • coolMANDINGO

    im still debating about getting the evo. just found out recently i can use the galaxy s on 3g in the us. that really sucks. besides i dont like the dlna. i want the hdmi output simply because i dont have any dlna enabled devices. evo maybe the rout i take . sorry tmobile. i gave you guys seven years(like lebron) i gotta go where im happiest as far as the handset goes. the customer service and coverage and plans may suck but they have the DEVICE i want. POINT BLANK!!!

  • Davidohio

    Oh my god mailman. . . Are you still babbleing on here about sprint and that stupid slow ass evo phone? Nobody cares what you have to say. Get a clue already. You can’t even do simple math! Have you read the responses to your numerous posts that just keep saying the same thing over and over. Ugh. You do know sprint is hemoraging customers don’t you? And their stock is worthless. Their customer service and network both suck. Rn you are basically going to a company that is a major fail just so you can get a phone you think is cool and rn you can pay more monthly even after your “discounts”. Yeah, you are really smart! You are also a crybaby.

  • Phoenix56317

    Hello everyone,

    Although am NEW here and this is my 1st posting, I’ve been following this website closely.
    I know this is irrelevant to the topic here but I though I would ask this here because of people flocking to the most recent news.

    I was over at Amazon’s web site and they had the T-mobile Vibrant up for pre-sell, well I got to the point of entering my ZIP code and it said I didn’t quality !

    What’s up with that ? Is anyone else’s ZIP code preventing them from purchasing the phone ? I know that some carriers features are not implemented yet in certain cities but still, Why prevent the sell of a phone ?

  • Waiting for the Nokia N8 and N8 (QWERTY version) to be released for some Hspa+ lovin ;)

    T-Mobile USA needs to bring the N8 in my opinion to compete with the Evo, iPhone and other “cool” phones (sarcasm).

    I went into a Sprint store yesterday to mess with the HTC Evo and I’ll be frank; I was impressed with the hardware. Note, I don’t like Sprint or Big-red. I like GSM way to much to ever hit up those companies – but T-Mobile does need something big this coming holiday season to set themselves apart.

    The key to selling any product is to showcase your competitive advantage (Hspa) against your competitors.

    T-Mobile please wake up.

  • Mr_Optimistic

    Everybody needs to look at this way, Ford was playing catch for the longest time to GM and Chrysler but then Ford took them over. Now for the past year or two GM and Chrysler has been playing catch up to ford. So T mobile has nothing to lose and everything to gain while the other guys have everything to lose and nothing to gain. So everybody just needs to be a little more optimistic and patient and we’ll be watching Tmo be doing their victory dance in no time. p.s. It would help if everybody would stop complaining over a ffc. lol

  • Getreal

    Tmobile is not going out business. I am not a fan of their phones but their loyal base will keep them around. Also dt will not sell them or merge them. They are pouring too much money into their network to simply merge or be sold. All analysts are wrong. Their views are concentrated through too myopic of a view and they rarely, if ever see the big picture.

    My real prediction is 24/7 wallstreet goes bankrupt. Who reads their garbage? There are too many news sources with much more credibility to have them be considered “in the game”.

  • notgoingtohappen

    t-mo wouldn’t be bringing in a guy like Jim Alling (don’t know his track record then look it up) and DT wouldn’t be sending one of their top executives in Hess (once again, see what he did with T-Mo UK) to replace Dotson if they where ready to just close up shop. I have no problems with Dotson, but he’s been in place way to long and has lost his drive and ability to take the company to the next level. Alling was the driving force behind Starbucks and their national takeover of every street corner in every town. if anyone can take them to the next level it’s him. There is nothing to worry about. T-Mo isn’t going anywhere, not if their new execs have anything to say about it.

  • Barry

    Another thing this article fails to mention is the mergers between sprint/nextel and att/cingular that help boost these carriers to their positions cause all four were going under…wonder if they foresaw that. Tmo will be fine the vibrant and the hspa+ are steps in the right direction.

  • whodat

    I say T-mobile has a good network. The second company with the least drop calls, but then again it pays the price for having the worst coverage alive!

  • mailman13877

    1st I said as a driver kia sux n other drivers say the same.I actually own a Toyota Corolla.Toyota is one of the top 3 sellers not only in the US but overseas and the are the top design seller in the world..Honda is prob the nuber 1 design buyer from toyota.2nd i am not paying more on sprint,I am paying the same.You guys might pay more but the plan I have with TMO equals the same price on sprint an I’m ok with the price.It’s the phone I want.3rd the Evo may be 30fps but XDA will fix that eventually an besides if you guys are buying a phone for the games then that’s lame cuzz u can play games on a system an same for the movie watching.I could vcare less bout playing a PS1 emulated game on my phone when I have PS3 at home.smh..4th,I was told to compalain on my carrier site an I am..I’M A TMO CUSTOMER till the 28th n have been 2001.I agree with mandingo,like Lebron I owe you an TM?O nothing as they have given me nothing.Last,if you’ve seen the Evo n held it an played around with it you’d see its a monster.Besides it has the HTC keyboard which is way more responsive an better that multi touch keyboard the Vibrant is coming with.Swype doesn’t count cuzz I can get it on the Evo. Oh and I was being sarcastic when I said Boost Mobile will take over 4th place.My point was some other company will if TMO keeps it up.See how u guys are proud to be in 4th..instead of complaining ur bashing me cuzz I said 4th place is being threatened.smfh.

    • NiiDiddy

      i understand your opinion perfectly. others may have their opinion too and are entitled to it, just like you are entitled to yours. IMO, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th…etc. don’t matter to me. phones don’t matter as much either so long as they fulfill their primary task – to talk on; everything else i can deal with. so for me, i don’t care if i was with tmobile, sprint, att, verizon – fact is i am with tmobile and been with them a little longer than you have [which doesnt really mean a thing]. until tmobile really messes ME [not you, not anyone else on TMONEWS] up somehow is when i’ll decide then if i want to leave and try out a different company. i’m happy, content and i don’t necessarily care – for me there is so much to worry about than trivial things such as phones. BUT, i am different – everyone is different. so i respect you opinion, where you are coming from and why you feel the way you feel. but like you, i DON’T want to be bashed by anyone here because of my opinion or how i want to run my stuff. so i understand. that’s all i can say.

      • HowdyDoody

        T Mob wont go under.. thought he analyst most likely will!

      • NiiDiddy

        @HowdyDoody – yea

      • JSY581


    • ObsceneJesster

      Bye. Have fun using a 4G service thats slower than T-Mobiles 3G service (HSPA+).

      By the way, If Swype doesn’t count because you can get it on your EVO then the HTC keyboard doesn’t count because I can get it on my Vibrant. Oh! Whats that. You never heard of the app called Smart Keyboard. Yea, it has the HTC keyboard as one of it’s options.

      You and your out-dated, over-hyped Snapdragon just got bent over by the Hummingbird and spanked like a red headed stepchild.

    • ObsceneJesster

      Bye. Have fun using a 4G service thats slower than T-Mobiles 3G service (HSPA+).

      By the way, If Swype doesn’t count because you can get it on your EVO then the HTC keyboard doesn’t count because I can get it on my Vibrant. Oh! Whats that. You never heard of the app called Smart Keyboard. Yea, it has the HTC keyboard as one of it’s options.

      You and your out-dated, over-hyped Snapdragon just got bent over by the Hummingbird and spanked like a red headed stepchild.

    • TiddyC

      All kidding aside… Boost Mobile is part of Sprint and given that Sprint is in dep trouble while TMO is just struggling the idea that Sprint would take over TMO is the part of your comment that is laughable. Now MetroPCS, they’re on the move… But of course they’re supposed to be taking over LEAP one of these days. Would make sense for them to then takeover Sprint since they have the same technology and Sprint seems determined to move into PrePaid what with their Boost Mobile, Virgin Mobile, Common Cents Mobile and Assurance Wireless brands already all being prepaid and CDMA (or partially IDEN for Boost).

    • cirrob

      I will give you a nickle if you put a couple spaces after your periods. I stopped reading after the first couple of sentences. It was like someone scratching a chalkboard.

    • jabombardier

      #1 Toyota only sells well in the United states and Canada. In Europe, it has never gained ground.
      They also aren’t the best in design. Neither is Honda. They only come off so in the U.S. because of the “reliability” reputation they have. That perception is quickly fading away. #2 it’s funny that they say T-Mobile will go out of business when Telekom say that T-mobile USA makes money for them. That’s why T-Mobile isn’t going up for sale. #3 T-Mobile will alway be #4, not because of phone, but because they aren’t in every market in the U.S. they aren’t offered in New England States of Vermont and New Hampshire, not sure about Maine, and they aren’t available in the Dakota’s and Montana (montana I could be wrong). A few years ago they just enter the Carolina’s and Puerto Rico through the acquisition of Sun Com. So for record, small network keeps them at #4. #4 I played with the evo 4G. It is nothing to right home about. Despite not having HD capabilities, a lesser android phone running 2.1 does the same thing as the evo 4G, which running apps, taking calls and surfing the web. 4G doesn’t really impress much over 3G nor is the extra 10 dollars to pay for it. Ginormous screen doesn’t do anything either but makes the phone kind of bulky in hand. Nice phone but not worth switching networks phone. “Superphones” have proven to be overrated.

  • thetiguy

    “buy the Samsung Vibrant, you’ll be happy you did.”

    No thanks, it doesn’t have a physical keyboard.

  • Johny

    How is tmobile under AT&T? How are these things rated?

    • FormerTMoEmployee

      It’s all about popularity and most importantly numbers. AT&T just does better with sales. The iphone, no doubt, is keeping them in 2nd place. T-Mobile has a bit of a low class quality. It’s weird… Working for them, you can see it. At the end of the day, it’s all about numbers and customer service, that gives the carriers its rank.

  • mingkee

    DT should file lawsuit again WSJ for such negative spectuation which can seriously hurt the company’s growth. At least we need an apology from WSJ!

  • Magenta Magic

    @FormerTMoEmployee, et al: I agree with this. TMo repositioned rate plans almost a year ago to be cheaper, simpler to understand (well, almost ^_^; ) The credit restrictions have been relaxed, also. Basically, ANYONE can get a phone with TMo, even if they don’t have a SSN (can sign “no contract” even more plus). TMo caters to ALL types, all income levels.

    Is that a bad thing? Hell no!

    But we’re still in 4th…

  • TonyJohns

    T-Mobile is not going anywhere. Simple as that. No matter the handset selection, T-Mobile offers cell phone service on a nationwide level at the low price. That in itself will keep customers.

    T-Mobile does need to expand their coverage, which they are doing. But as far as going out of business. I highly doubt that.

    Just as their is a niche for superphones, there is a niche for simple cheap phones. And the niche for simple cheap phones far outweigh the superphone niche. With the roadmap we already see that T-Mobile is bringing some good contenders to the ring.

    T-Mobile is here to stay, and I believe with their HSPA+ network, they will soon give the other carriers a run for their money.

  • i seriously dont get u t-mobile people i been reading a lot of comments were alot of u bitch about there coverage, i dnt have t-mobile i have at&t which there network is crap i admit it i hate it its 3G is suuper slow n frustating to use but there coverage is muuuch bigger than t-mobile i took a roadtrip from LA to texas by car and i had signal all the wayy i admit i didnt have 3G in a lot of places i would only get edge or gsm or gprs to call but atleast it worked on the other hand my boyfrriend wit t-mobile had no service in ALOT of places n he always had to be borrowing my blackberry bold 9700 from at&t cuz his t-mobile blackberryy bold had no service in a lot of places i atleast had edge, so why dont u change company to verizon or at&t or sprint? i kno there more expensive but hey atleast u get service in more places..!

    • Spike

      “ALOT of places n he always had to be borrowing my blackberry bold 9700 from at&t cuz his t-mobile blackberryy bold had no service in a lot of places i atleast had edge, so why dont u change company to verizon or at&t or sprint?”

      A. Because that would just be too damn logical, and if there’s anything we all should know, people bitching online have zero sense of logic, they just wanna BITCH, and

      B. COntract contracts contracts… which are stupid no matter what. No phone is worth a contract. And with T-mo current pricing, all those people signing contracts end up spending the same amount if they just went non-contracted and split the phone cost into 20 payments. Makes no sense why people keep signing.

    • Getreal

      I will respond so that maybe your dumb@as half brain can understand me. So here goes:

      so wut u are zayin is everyone hu haz a sell fon goze from LA to texas cuz we all need cuveruj ware u go

      How is that? If you didn’t understand that maybe you will understand this. You r dumb. Tell your boyfriend to smack you and tell you shut up.

      • wow

        Now that has to be the funniest thing I’ve read all day!!

      • Asparagus

        haha…love it

    • Davidohio

      See i looked at the maps side by side and they look pretty much the same. I have never been anywhere i did not have service. Hspa+ is fast here in cleveland. I hear at&t customers saw the 3g is slow all the time so i don’t understand how they can say they have the nations fastest 3g network. T-mobile is faster than at&t here and i know that for a fact.

    • jabombardier

      I agree with you but where I live’ T-Mobile is very very reliable and I rarely go where T-Mobile doesn’t work. I like the fact that it has the cheapest roaming rates to the overseas cities I go to like London, Paris, and the Caribbean versus AT&T. Lastly more plan for the money versus other 3 nationwide carriers

  • Special K

    The article is very simple. It doesn’t mean that T-Mobile will magically shut down the doors, leave their equipment up, and call it a day. What will happen is either:

    A) Brand Name Changes (T-Mobile to Flexpay Mobile or whatever they choose to call it)
    B) We Merge with somebody (likely Sprint, as Government would likely intervene in an ATT takeover).
    C) Somebody buys us out (as in Virgin Mobile, Google, whoever decides they want the burden).

    The company will still be there. I firmly believe that A is the most likely scenario as the T-Mobile brand is not exactly “strong” in the cell phone industry. The only way I see B or C happening is if DT stands to gain exceedingly rich by getting rid of the company, so if I were a betting man, A will be the likely scenario. And at the end of the day, the article will be correct, because the BRAND T-Mobile will be gone.

  • coolMANDINGO

    does this device offer or support LIVE WALLPAPERS??? on the Vibrant

    • Asparagus


  • Ray

    T-Mobile Senior leadership has to realize the people in region team are in their side and working with them to make TMO a best service provider, but Directors and Senior managers specially in Abdul’s team treat people outside FSC very badly, treat them like outsider insult them in every meeting or any other possible forum.
    If TMO wants to win in this tough environment they will have to bring team together and coach this incompetent senior manager, especially Abdul Saad Senior Managers in your team are the most corrupt leaders.

  • mailman13877

    Ok so i just called TMO and they told me i can get the full upgrade on the 23rd n not the 28th so Yay..The bad thing is my contract isn’t up until September 23rd.Booo

    They told me they can give me 1000 minutes,mobile to mobile,unlimited nights/weekends,unlimited text and my protection plan all for $85 after tax with my 12% monthly discount.I currently have the same thing with 600min for $92 so they have been cheating me for a while now and that’s not cool.

    The fact that i have to wait till September to get out or pay $50 plus the new plan/price offer makes me think again.Do i settle for the Vibrant or pay $50 and go to the Evo with a similar plan but for $92 (i can live with the $92 as long as im happy).

    TMO gets me so mad..what do i do now?Im gonna wait until the 23 an hope a ton of good reviews come in about the Vibrant to make me not go to the Evo..Also i called TMO cuzz some1 on another post told me TMO gives them Unlimited everything for $75 after tax but TMO said they don’t know bout that.Funny how they gave me a better price when i mentioned im interested in the Evo though..smh cuzz they been taking my money all this time when they could’ve called an gave me what they offered.I’ve never made a late payment so i’ve been loyal to them since 2001 and this is what i get?Hiding plans from me..not cool..I will still bash em even if i stay with em cuzz i aint gonna love em all of a sudden but i gotta do what’s best for me to be happy.What do i do????

    • Getreal

      Your post makes me think you could be he dumbest human on planet Earth.

      • cirrob

        LOFL! I couldn’t agree more. This post made my night. I am truly amazed this person has money (which suggests he has a job) to pay any bill. I have my doubts that this person will ever amount to anything period.

      • soon2TMO

        i agree!

        sorry mailman!


    • Dashi

      Yes Because They Are Cheating You Just Because You Are To Dumb To Check It Out When New Plans Come Out?

    • ColoradoGray

      Hiding those exotic new plans.. right on the website were you could find them.. for shame!

  • ItsMichaelNotMike

    I commented yesterday in answer to the part about T-Mobile. I still feel the same today.

    That speculation (article) sounds like someone did not have enough to talk about so they just threw in T-Mobile on the list.

    It’s inaccurate so I would not give its speculation the time of day:

    1. It said T-Mobile made a net profit of $306 million in 2009. Huh? Actually, T-Mobile USA financials were: 1st quarter 2010 – $362 million, up slightly from the $306 million it notched in the fourth quarter 2009; and $322 million in the first quarter of 2009.

    So I don’t know where they got the $306 million for 2009, unless some moron mistakenly thought the $306 million for the 4th quarter was for the entire year. The idiots.

    2. It mentioned a merger with Virgin Mobile. Another idiotic statement. Why? Uh… how about that Sprint just bought Virgin Mobile USA for about $430 million. So there’s no “Virgin Mobile” for T-Mobile to merge with, even though Sprint said it will keep the Virgin Mobile name for the service.

    3. It talks about T-Mobile being incapable of competing with the other U.S. carriers’ roll out of “4G” speeds. But in fact T-Mobile is rolling out HSPA+ and is also considering a partnership with spectrum providers (E.g. Clearwire.) Regardless of what T-Mobile does in terms of “4G” advancements, the article is wrong in implying there’s nothing T-Mobile can do expect sit on the sidelines while its competitors pass it by.

    4. It talks about number of customers as if that’s a major factor in determining how financially well a carrier is doing.

    The writer, however, does not mention that Sprint, who has more U.S. subscribers than TMOUS, is showing a loss each quarter (as opposed to T-Mobile showing over $1.2 billion in net profit for 2009).

    And Sprint Nextel has been trading at a low of $2.78. That’s not good. And in terms of wealth, Sprint’s market cap is $12 billion. Compare that to DT’s $55 billion market cap. And don’t forget, Sprint (that now includes Virgin Mobile U.S.A) could well file for bankruptcy protection.

    5. It mentions that maybe DT will simply change the T-Mobile US name. That’s a stupid remark since T-Mobile has huge name recognition.

    6. Perhaps the most moronic statement was “As it now stands, T-Mobile has no future in the U.S.”

    The person who wrote that article for 24/7 Wall Street either plans to manipulate the market or he was on crack when writing the article.

  • ItsMichaelNotMike

    Dang… forgot to correct the typo I made yesterday.

    On #3 it’s “except” not “expect.”

    “[T]he article is wrong in implying there’s nothing T-Mobile can do EXCEPT sit on the sidelines while its competitors pass it by.”

  • Charles Xavier

    I used to have great service with Tmobile in places many wouldn’t. HOWEVER, two things have happened in the last two years have made my experience a terrible one.

    First, they cut a lot of their roaming agreements with AT&T in the Ohio area and several other neighboring areas, so now there are lots of dead areas (mainly in the country, outside of big cities). Yeah, I live in a big city and don’t depend on rural country service that often, but I travel a lot for work now and would like the reassurance that I would at least be able to make a call where the other 3 major carriers do. Additionally data on phones is more important than calling for some people (me) and going from 3G to a single G as soon as I’ve left the suburbs is not good for me.

    Second. 3G. Yeah it’s faster data, but I went from never dropping calls to regularly dropping them At&t-style in 3G areas. When I turn off 3G or am in an EDGE area no dropped calls. What does that say to me? T-mobile’s 3G is unstable, whether it be the spectrum (1700 mhz) or lack of towers it just isn’t reliable in my experience.

    Phones and their networks need to do much more than make calls now and T-mobile’s network, on a nationwide scale doesn’t appear to be capable of fulfilling that need for me. It’s sad because I’ve always liked this company as I’ve had service with them since 2001. I have had a generally positive experience up until recently. Perhaps a Google or Sprint merger would be a good thing?

  • mike

    T-Mobile USA Is Not going out of Business T-Mobile USA Has a New CEO Coming In 2011 So T-Mobile USA Will have 4G by then i hope T-Mobile USA Is Stayin in business 2011 2019 2910 3011 9011 99,999 i talk these people they told me be there Goal is Keeping T-Mobile USA 2011 9011 99,999 Okay DT T-Mobile USA Needs a lawsuit guys at wall st who wrote this stuff not true T-Mobile has 3G Now launching 4G Okay DT Is keepin name T-Mobile USA 2011 2910 9011 99,999

  • JonnyB

    Bye Bye T-Mobile:] You might stay for 2011, but in 2015, Your ganna be gone

  • Bill

    What T-Mobile needs to do is expand their network to cover as much as the US as possible. We’re a two carrier home; Verizon Wireless being the other. We’re one tower from being all T-Mobile; my wife being in the medical profession must have service where she works; no T-Mobile service there. It has been my single pet peeve with them; worse, there is no roaming agreement “in the woods” between AT&T (GSM) and T-Mobile. Hell, even Verizon Wireless has GSM thanks to a number of smaller networks it has gobbled up along with AT&T who despite their “public” war very much divide and trade footprints to satisfy FCC requirements when companies are bought out between the two. T-Mobile has to get its footprint to everybody and 3G to these places. I live just outside our city limit and the moment you leave it; bang, back to EDGE. Verizon Wireless EVO may not be blazing it however is at least 3 times faster at my home than T-Mobile and EDGE. There’s nothing wrong with T-Mobile being in 4th place; it however has to stop thinking that the T in T-Mobile is Teen-Mobile. They have the market on the HTC HD2; right? Forget Windows Mobile! I like Windows Mobile and what the folks at XDA have done with Sense. Whether the HTC Mozart is Windows Phone 7 who cares….my point is T-Mobile more often than not is like the child who gets all the hand me downs. What we think initially is a good device isn’t because the next one that comes down is the device that got all the bugs worked out of it at the expense of T-Mobile. How many form factors like the HD2 have come down with Android. If HTC and T-Mobile had seen to it to pack the HTC Touch Pro 2 (Rhodium) with the 1 GHz Snapdragon processor or if whatever it’s predecessor is likely to be with that CPU and much larger ROM/RAM….that would be the dream device or for Android users a similar form factor in the same size. For the life of me, I’m stunned at how ignorant the brain trust is about this sort of stuff. What was the time difference between release of the Rhodium and the Leo…why don’t they think about this sort of stuff before it’s too late? Maybe T-Mobile doesn’t care or really believe they know what’s best for all…I somehow think they are just plain stupid and will never get the fact they are that child who are being experimented with or hand me downs are good enough; they’re not…we’re not.

    • watbetch

      LOL tht wus lyke omg lol cn i txt u l8tr

      Verizon Wireless must maintain a GSM network, they don’t “have one” that they can use. Get it together. 3G isn’t going to cover the entire network in 2 years. I don’t know why people expect it to like Verizon had EV-DO nationwide in 2 years.

  • rushmore

    Tmo will be around, but using 3g or higher speed as a reason is a farce, given the small coverage map it has. High margin customers are bailing from Tmo due to weak coverage and weak phone selection. At least the phone selection will get better.

  • Bill

    One more thing, T-Mobile has HSDPA+ and while I’m not happy with T-Mobile overall…if it gets HSDPA+ rolled out to everybody as they say they will; nobody is going to give a damn about Sprint 4G. The bottom line is we all must have the devices to run these speeds at the blink of an eye. My stepson’s HD2 and my Touch Pro 2 are evidence of that. I can have a website with EDGE on his HD2 up on his device in the fraction of a time it takes for my Rhodium to get the same webpage. Networks are great but the devices have to match and marry too.

  • mailman13877

    So much for customer service.I just called TMO to tell them that i may take that offer they offered me earlier today of 1000 minutes n unlimited everything else for $85 after tax and they’re talking bout that was a mistake and that the cheapest plan they can give me would be a $92 after taxes which is what i pay now..I’ve been with them since 2001 an this is what i get whose the LOYAL ones now? Evo is most likely gonna be my next phone cuzz that’s BS.She goes “i notice you’ve been with us since 01 an haven’t had any late payments..we wanna thank you for that but at the moment this is as cheap as we can go.”I tell her Sprints offer and she goes..”well we can get you something for less but your not gonna get unlimited text and as many minutes”

    SMFH..What would you guys do after this??

    • Shawn

      I’ve dealt with customer loyalty before also, they actually tried to get me a cheaper deal, but at the end of the day, I was already with them so long, there was nothing grandfathered available to give me. Wasn’t much for them to do for me either. People say verizon is more expensive, the truth is if you compare verizons family plans carefully, you will notice verizon gives you unlimited calling to 10 numbers regardless of landline or mobile company. Verizon and t-mobile both offer me a discount, and both come out the be the same bill every month. However, if I switch to verizon I get to call 10 people unlimited, with grandfathered myfaves you get 5. I’ve compared plans in detail, and t-mobile is not as cheap as they want you to belive. The reason I like t-mobile though, is their customer service, they are pretty much excellent in that department. If you switch to sprint, get ready to deal with some really rude uneducated reps.

    • Getreal

      If I were in your shoes, I wouldn’t have children. As for your mobile plan I think you should get a Jitterbug. They are made for people like you. Special.

  • jp

    There have been people here, myself included, thats been saying TMO will most likely close its doors. Its not a matter of being profitable. Its a matter of greed. Companies of a certain size have a set figure in their mind and if they dont hit it, they fail. Doenst matter if they make 300+ mill or not.

    My company (which is in the telco industry) is the same way. The higher ups isnt satisfied with breaking even or turning a profit, especially in this economy. And with this greed in mind, theres no place for any company to go but fail.

    So, will TMO completely shut their doors? Probably not. Theyll probably sell and either merge or operate under a different company.

    I recall a post not too long ago when the CEO or someone was stating theyre ccomitted to making TMO work no matter what. I guess what that ment was to possibly sell it if they dont post xxx in profit.

  • Kascade Brown

    I laughed because, whoever wrote the article did not do their homework. Those were completely bogus figures. And on the other side, everything on that list was on the 2009 list, and who put Kia motors in the list? We live in a time in which there are various cell phone carries (boost mobile). Hell T-mobile is giant in there home market, so I think they understand the concept of taking time to build and besides, they have the best customer service around……..

  • tito_puente


  • bafore

    They said Ford was on its way under a year ago and now they are on top. TMO just needs to make the right choices and they will make it out of this lame wall street “story”. Hell Blockbuster was on this list last year too.

  • tmobluv

    im mean really do you guys hear yourselfs or just cant see past you nose. by the end of 2010 they will have there hspa+ up covering 185 mil. people im no math wiz but last time i check the u.s. was just over 300 mil people like 303 mil so that leaves what 115 mil not covered ok not bad how about 2011 another 50 mil or soo. they also expanding there voice. anyways i think they are install there lte network while installing there hspa+ stuff why not they are already there runing the cables i mean on hspa+ 42mbps on lte its what double that in a lab sooo. ohh and lte radio waves travel farther which means better signal just what at this pace. all we need is about 3 superphones and tmobile will be gaining millions of cust this year and next remember they have unlimited data when everone else is putting a cap and charging the same or so. im just saying

  • Eric

    Hey, David – Do you only read the headlines? The Yahoo! version is syndicated from 24/7 Wall St., but Yahoo! used an accurate headline, while 24/7 used an attention-grabbing headline that they can’t prove.

    The contents of the articles are exactly the same.

    Aye aye aye.

    • David

      Obviously, but what was originally was written in the article was pretty much incorrect based on the differences between the titles.

    • ItsMichaelNotMike

      Eric… what’s with the insults. You have a great point, the difference in headlines, but why ruin a good comment with derision.

  • TMOprophet

    TMO isn’t going anywhere… This fall TMO will kick some A$$ :)

    • Wilma Flintstone

      I’ll hold you to that prediction. Be ready for a HUGE “I TOLD YOU SO” if AT&T, Verizon &/or Sprint one up TMO again.

      I’m going to be content with Emerald if the rumored specs hold out to be true. I was content with this HD2 but I am not anymore due to craptastic circumstances so I’m waiting on a 1ghz or better4 – 4.3 inchHTC Android Superphone or at least a 1ghz 4 – 4.3inch Nokia Symbian^3 superphone replacement.

  • Barry

    @Charles Xavier How long have you been having that problem ? because I’ve been going through that for about three or four days now. If you called what did they tell you? It works fine anywhere else except on my block. Idk I hope they fix whatever it is cause my 3G was blazing fast And my signal was strong.


    Here is the main problem, T-Mobile had a reduction of profit between 2008 and 2009 of almost 33%. This is putting the company bottom line profit at 300 million on a revenue stream of 16 billion. A typical healthy company will operate on a bottom line profit of approximately 10% gross revenue. This would put the company at $1.6 billion in profit if doing well. A profit of 300 million puts them at just a very razor thin 1.9% net profit.

    The company in my opinion will be closing some of its under-performing stores, cleaning up the books and selling off their company before they start to lose money. With the BOGO and Father’s day promotion that will net huge amounts of negative profit for the company I’d bet 2010 will be even more dire than 2009.

    Phillip Humm sees the U.S. growth market in Data sales and if I had to guess that will be the company’s growth strategy going forward. How can you possibly make money as a company targeting families specifically that fall under the poverty level for the U.S.? Families that can barely afford smart phones do not fall under the “sweet spot” for profit like the majority of AT&T and Verizon customers.

    Sprint is discounting the EVO at a loss of almost $600 per handset to the company (which is not recouped by the plan over the 2 years) and with the WiMax being third partied out to Clearwire they are trying to expand their network by renting usage from a company that can actually afford the expansion, since Sprint cannot. This is a poor long term business plan, but again they are grasping for straws to stay solvent. A merger with Sprint and T-Mobile would likely do nothing more than accelerate both companies into Bankruptcy.

    If At&T loses the Iphone it is likely that the Government will have to allow Verizon to operate as a “Regulated Monopoly” like other public utility companies. Numbers do not lie and I believe this new German CEO is merely here to clean things up, and move the company into a different “market” what that will mean for the wireless side, it still remains to be seen. This I can promise, there WILL be significant changes, and several store closings over the next 18 months.


      So in researching the number further it appears the $300 million figure is quarterly putting net profit around 7.6% which isn’t great but not nerely as bad as 1.9%. I hold firm to my predictions though.

  • TMoFan

    I don’t believe this at all. If the leaked roadmap is true and HSPA+ I think T-Mobile is going to pack a punch even at 4th place. Add to that the great rates, nah I don’t see this happening.


      HSPA+ will not take them past 21 mbps without hardware updates to their towers. If they waste the money on HSPA+ 42 and not on LTE, they will be behind the competition again. Verizon will be spending over 2 Billion dollars in the first installment of their LTE network and that would exceed T-Mobile’s profit for an entire year. It is hard to keep up on technology when your competitor has 4-5 times the cash flow you do. If they do the upgrade they will be throwing good money after bad, as the LTE system will have much higher future capability than the HSPA+ which pretty much maxes out at 42 mbps. If they get the Iphone make that profit 10 times as much, how can you possibly keep pace with that?

      • watbetch

        MIMO won’t cost them much money, less than buying spectrum for LTE that’s for certain.

      • J

        HSPA+ is actually planned to go double the 42 Mb/s speed in the next couple of years. The cost is very minor in comparisson to deploying a nextgen network.

  • tvphil

    21 mbps, 42 mbps, what counts is user experience. User experience currently would be just fine with most, if not all apps available. Your max speed for LTE nets only benefits users downloading massive data, like HDTV or HD movies. If I’m watching HD anything, it sure won’t be on a phone! There is a point you reach where most human eyes can’t tell the difference.

  • Shawn

    If t-mobile hired me, i’m sure in 18 months I could make t-mobile the number one carrier.

    First off… release awesome phones. THe chipset is awailable, there is no reason they shouldn’t release a dual core phone with the ability to run at 1.5gz (yes this chipset is already out), with a 4.3inch screen, ffc, flash, Super Amoled screen and invest in the best battery life technology. Offer this phone for 400 bucks with 2 yr contract. People will buy it. Offer this phone the ability to get the latest android os release on day 1, no stupid sense or 3rd party user interface. T-mobile the company should have its own developers, and provide the option for customers to root this phone without voiding their warrenty, because the root would be provided via t-mobile itself. Also provide the user the option to run the phone at full 1.5 ghz. underclocked to save battey. This will be the super high end phone, its going to cost you 400 bucks on contract, but it provides you with full access via a safe root provided by t-mobile, that will not void your contract.

    Then have the next step phone, for 199, which would be the vibrant… set limitations on the phone that are currently in place… like no rooting allowed. no over/under clocking… etc.

    Then make a hundred dollar entry android phone, for those who dont care much about specs and just want an android phone.

    Then have your slew of free flip phones. These junk free phones should only require 1 yr contract.

    Can’t forget about blackberry. roll out more blackberry phones.

    Finally your rate plans. you are not as cheap as you want people to believe t-mobile. So this is what you do, get rid of activation fees, they are obviuosly a stupid fake fee. A family line of 5, has to pay 35×5=175 bucks.. thats crazy. If they insist on activation fees, then it should be 1 35 dollar fee for the entire family plan. Individuals should only pay 15 bucks activation.
    For upgrade fees, get rid of that completely. Come on, your loyal customer is aggreeing to be with you for 2 more years… just get rid of the stupid fee.

    Finally drop your internet price down from 30 to the grandfathered 20, for everybody. With no data caps. For family plans, they should get a discount, a family shouldn’t have to pay 30 bucks a month for each phones data access. thats insane… 5 family members times 30 bucks..thats 150 bucks a month for internet… holly cow. Text messaging, come on we know it doesn’t cost t-mobile that much for text messaging. How about this t-mobile, you design a program similar to BBM, BBM costs nothing for the BB customer. Make a BBM type program, and give free text messages to your customers

    Keep up the excellent customer service.

    I think if the above is done, a slew of new customers will join t-mobile. Then this new revenue can be used to increase their network towers.
    At the end of the day, they will make money and customers will be happy.
    Guess what will happen next, verizon and att will notice everyone is switching to t-mobile, and true competition will occur. … prices will go down.

    I’ve never seen an industry, like the cell phone industry… where with competition the prices have been going up, instead of going down. It was chepear 5 yrs ago to own a cell phone than today. Hence the price increase from att and data cap. Price increase from verizon with lower minutes. Also the phase out of better plans from t-mobile, to the new more expensive plans. Seems like competition has caused the opp effect.

    These are just my silly ideas. I’m sure someone here is going to find a flaw in every point I made.

    • Holiday

      with your plan i would leave my tmobile contract and spread the word…

      • shawn

        why would you leave, are you saying you are opposed to no activation fee, paying only 20 a month for unlimited internet, and no upgrade fees?

  • Don

    I have been satisfied with tmobile to a degree. They have always provided me with excellent customer service over the phone. I live in atlanta so I did not have many issues with service. Sometimes would have dropped calls driving through downtown atlanta but that’s about it. Sometime ago I would have weak 3g coverage but lately it has been decent. My only real complain is lack of coverage when traveling…like lots of dead spots and also their lack of phones (but that is changing)

  • Logic

    Tmo has the worst phones and the worst coverage of any of the major carriers… what in the world would make someone think this combination would be bad for a cellphone service provider!?

    Clearly, the author of the article meant to put Verizon and the inclusion of Tmo was a scriveners error

  • tmobluv

    somebody said big red was dropping mad cash on there joke of an lte network remember this tmobile usa is just one part of a huge company thats in i believe 5 different countries. and tmobile does not have to change harware to get 42 mbps they upgraded when they put the hspa+ in its as simple as an ota update its just sofeware somebody just sounds mad that with their verizon phone it sucks for data

    • rushmore

      Let’s see…. LTE with coverage almost everywhere, or a speed increase by Tmo most will not notice on a phone, in about 10% of the same coverage area… you lose :)

  • Barry

    yea and just imagine the charges they would rollout along with their 4G service. I hope Tmo doesn’t do that tiered data stuff and just keep it unlimited. At&t just gave the aria and update with internet sharing but its practically useless if you have a capped data plan.

  • The issue is that, T-Mobile’s brand name is tarnished. People that have Verizon or AT&T, think T-Mobile sucks, in terms of service either due to word-of-mouth, or they previously had T-Mobile years ago, when their coverage was swiss cheese.

    T-Mobile needs to do something to help their marketing. Verizon is known for almost wall-to-wall coverage.

    People that have AT&T won’t come to T-Mobile, or Sprint.

  • Special K

    Yeah, it simply comes down to marketing. I don’t care what business course you attend, one of the basic elements of running a business is allocating a very large sum of money to advertising. There is only so much word of mouth can do. I think once you hit a cap with word of mouth, you need to start advertising right at Verizon/ATT customers. TV Commercials, Radio Commercials, ads in papers, etc. Billboards all over the place. T-Mobile simply isn’t aggressive enough when it comes to this.

  • Ad Executive

    Here’s the copy for a new ad

    “If your town is included in our coverage and you don’t travel (or care about new phones) come on over to Tmobile for our great customer service! It’ll also save you a few dollars per month!”

  • tmobluv

    remember this i believe tmobile is the 3rd lasgest wireless service in the world thats right world so verizons big here but only here. and tmobile has had lte in other countries since last year soo they know what they are doing

  • mailman13877

    You can have a company with success throughout the world but doesn’t mean you can’t FAIL an be forced to shut it down in one country.It happens all the time bro

  • rushmore

    Tmo already blows too much money on marketing. Sucky devices and even suckier coverage results in diminished returns for marketing. Tmo cover 10% of the areas VZW does for 3G. It will be the same with faster speeds and STILL weak 3G coverage and call areas for Tmo.

    Tmo will either join another carrier, or be broken up into smaller pieces next year, while “Tmo” Europe can still get a decent price. Europe will dump Tmo US if they do not see a positive Net Present Value going forward.

  • Ad Executive

    The real question is, if Tmo is bought out (sprint?) would our current rates be grandfathered in? That’d be pretty sweet… low prices for decent coverage and real phones!

    • mailman13877

      TMO supposedly spends a lot on marketing but idk what they are doing cuase they cannot advertised for sh*t.They only have the Dwayne Wade commercial but Verizon is on the radio,tv,billboards and everywhere you look you see verizon an ATT..I see more Sprint than TMO to..SMH imo TMO will merge if not vanish from the USA..Evo here i come..TMO and their crappy phones..smh the Vibrant doesn’t even have noise cancellation..nor does the Evo but the Evo is a beast of a phone already in which one can live without the noise cancellation feature.TMO is for kids it seems cause all i hear is people ranting and raving bout how the Vibrant has SIMS 3 and Avatar..That is so stupid if thats what makes a phone for you..SETTLERS..EVO in 2 weeks yay

      • Chris

        If we all pooled our money together and got you $50.00 to leave TMO now, would you do it? And say maybe an extra $25.00 to STFU? We don’t care about you, your stupid ass EVO, what it is you are paying (except the fact you are paying more than us, which is pretty hilarious) although you think you are getting a good deal. But its your thoughts, so its nice when visions of sugar plums are dancing in your head. I bet you lay at night and JO to a photo of the EVO don’t ya? I think this will be your girlfriend. Introduce her as this is my girlfriend EVO. Sad, sad, sad.

      • mailman13877

        Dude why do you have to bash me in them type of ways..all I’ve been doing is bashing TMO but not with the kind of language your using towards me.Not cool man.The reason i say it’s a good deal for me is because TMO isn’t offering me a better deal.TMO said the best they can do is $95 for 1000min and that’s not good seeing I’ve never had a late payment and have been with them since 2001.It may be a bad deal with you guys but I’m not getting the offers you have.Now if you want i can start using the kind of language your using towards me.Just calm down.

      • Chris

        Do you really even remember what they told you that you would pay? Once you said 92 and now its 95? What day of the week is this? If you tell me its Monday, no way would I believe you. We all bash you, you threaten to leave, but yet, here you are, tomorrow you will continue to be here, on the 29th, again you will be here. You aren’t leaving. As someone else said, you are the one who is supposed to call and ask for different plans. They aren’t supposed to call you to offer you something CHEAPER. No company in their right mind would do this. Why? Because they make more money off of you. Why would they sell something 5-10 dollars cheaper, when they can make 5-10 dollars more off of you til you ask about cheaper plans. So why are you bashing TMO for not calling you? Why doesn’t your car loan company call and tell you that our interest rates just changed and we want you to save money, while in the end we are cutting out profits just so we can make you happy. Do you realize they would be on the phone each and everyday and wouldn’t get anything else done? Apparently not. And if you want to use the language, use it, it doesn’t bother me. I can handle it! When you talk, you make no sense, and you don’t know from one day to the next, or well from one minute to the next whats going to come popping up next. Tomorrow, I am guessing you will have AT&T?

  • derrickps3

    thank god they aren’t going out of business. i love tmobile

  • currator

    i believe tmobile usa is not going anywere anytime soon they turn a good amount of money in profit ever year and with them rolling out that highspeed data system all we need is a few good phones and tmobile will be getting a lot of those fanboys and girls from att sprint and verizon. just waut you will see

  • tmobluv

    mailman13877 if a company in one year last year makes in profit you know the green money in the bank something like 1.5 billion from tmobile usa only. thats right in the bank how do you see them going out of the u.s. market. that 306 mil. was profit for like q3 pf 2009 ohh and tmobile world wide has of mar 21, 2010 150.2 million wireless cust worldwide and 52.9 mill in retail lines and broadband cust. ohh and i dont just come up with things http://www.zwischenbericht.telekom.de/site0110/en/kf/telekom-auf-einen-blick/index.php. read up before talking know your facts. parent company spending billions in u.s. to expand voice and data. they are not trying to do it over night. they are taking there time and it will pay big.

  • mailman13877

    The answer to your question is simple..Remember how fast Commerce bank burst onto the seen with its US wing a few years back.It was rising and there was no talk of issues and then boom everyone wakes up and sees em sell out to TD Bank.It happens.Rise and fall of a company can turn on a yearly basis and TMO can rise in 2011 or Fall just as fast either way.The thing is based on it’s past they have been slowly showing signs of more Failures than progress.No matter what article you post it’s a Fact they hit a hotspot when the G1 was launched and then since the Android rise to all companies it’s also a fact that it’s been hurting them cause of there decisions to reproduce the hype they had for the G1.

  • currator

    yeah and tmorrarow will will read that verizon is closing right i mean thats what your saying verizon is what the biggest in u.s. and tmobile is 3rd in the whole world. which means more money. its that simply ohh and droid x epic fail it wont beable to be rooted funny like all tmobile androids are root able and no caped data or extra for making it a wifi spot from your phone the others will come around whenn they get tired of paying thru the nose every month. remember that high amount of people out of a job. verizon and att stand to lose the most they got what 160 mil of cust or so with that being said people lose there job cant pay that high bill stop paying come to tmobile cheap prices emp plans. thats what there for tmobile knows what they are doing trust me you will see and they got some really good phones coming out this year and next. i am going to make the smart choice and stick with tmobile in about 6 to 9 months gonna have hspa+ in my area so im set and two areas i go to alot in my state hve it with several more area coming online soon

  • Rilesman

    In the past, the FCC promoted multiple carriers in the same market but this has changed to the FCC supporting only 2 carriers in the same market. In addition, considering the Frequency Sale a few years ago, it is clear that in 5-10 years both Sprint and T-Mobile will not be viable cell phone carriers. They do not have the frequency ranges required for future technology capabilities.

    I consider this a shame as I like T-Mobile over Sprint and ATT (never experienced Verizon but have been a fan of Ultra Wide Band technologies like CDMA)

  • currator

    what are you talking about that make no sense cdma was made during ww2. gsm was made in the mid 80s. also sprint and verizon are both getting ride of cdma its old. verizon moving to lte so is att and tmobile sprint is the only one who has only said they are doing wimax. so if anything sprint will be gone soon. gsm is used all over the world i think north america is the only place who has wireless companys still using cdma. ohh tmobile will be goinging to lte why do you think they been putting up hspa+ its just getting the backhaul up and going. verizons gonna have so major problems when they go to roll out ther lte it will take a few years for them to get all of those cust. from there cdma phones. soo they will have to do what att did back in the day and give out free phones so you can use there network cdma is dead been dead but sprint and verizon have been using it. verizon spending what like 2000000000 on lte and it wont cover alot and they will have it completely rolled out were they have 3g by 2013 what a joke they will be left in the dust. when all said and done.

  • currator

    gsm/hspa work with lte its backward compatiable http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/lte.htm soo with that being said which cell phone company is already ahead of the curve. tmobile gsm with hspa+ = easy lte rollout.

    • Damian

      shut up punk

  • sfkj

    yes tmoile will die hahahaha

  • tmonews

    oh no tmobile ending. like it matters

    • Dbaby

      woah, you can’t just give up on tmobile… what about the children? Catherine Zeta Jones? Charles Barkley? Dwayne Wade? the new 4G hottie? My friend, it DOES matter! When the chips are down, you can’t just give up on the world… of warcraft.

  • J1S

    hey! just because everyone else likes getting rape by verizon and at&t doesnt means the rest of us have to. tmo is in fourth place cause they ofer low prices and dont despreatly jump into phones that suck…like the blackberry storm ahaha

  • ItsMichaelNotMike

    Since this thread is talking about other carriers, I am LOVING LIFE with all the brouhaha over the iPhone 4. HA HA HA HA HA

    Class action lawsuits, one correctly alleging that an AT&T iPhone contract is NOT really for two years, it’s for five years. Why? Because what happens at the end of that two year contract? An AT&T customer’s iPhone is rendered useless if he or she quits AT&T after that two years. The customer cannot go elsewhere. End result, AT&T and Apple deceive customers and its five year contract violates federal law.

    Dissing Jobs for telling people “Just don’t hold the phone that way.”

    A cool phrase is becoming part of the lexicon: The iPhone “DEATH GRIP.”

    Apple LYING to people saying it was a “false positive” in that the signal indicator was inaccurate and it was coming with a software fix (which has been disclosed it would have simply doctored the bars to show a higher reading).

    And now – Consumer Reports announces a “Do Not Buy” recommendation. And a temp fix for the iPhone death grip, Consumer Reports published, drum roll please…. duct tape. Hmm… does Jobs and Apple make a proprietary duct tape that they can charge customers $20 per inch?


    So people talking smack about T-Mobile and talking up iPhone this, for our response, please see above.

  • Michael

    I’ve been with T-mobile since they gobbled up Powertel and Voicestream. For the most part, I am satisfied with their service except, of course, when I am in small town America and I have to borrow a stranger’s phone. I have found their customer service very good the few times I have used it and I like the rate structure but they seriously need to expand their coverage area. Their customers do sometimes visit small towns and would like to be able to use their phones.

    I would hate to see them disappear because eventually it will only be AT&T and Verizon left standing.

  • Ahh Yo

    I just canceled my T-Mobile (7.3.10, I was with them for three years straight and paid the $200.00USD for the termination fee)and went with a more worthy company. I knew that T-Mobile was or is on the verge of going through some sort of transaction. I’m not going to speculate but something is brewing at the main office.

  • Kent

    Oh, let’s be honest. Deutsche Telekom hasn’t cared about its U.S. subsidiary in years — if it ever did. And to be honest, T-Mobile’s ONLY two advantages are:

    1) cheap
    2) GSM, yet not AT&T

    With Verizon soon to transition to GSM, T-mobile will soon have only ONE advantage: cheap.

    Well, when you base your business model on being small and cheap, but not particularly good … well, we all saw what happened to K-Mart.

    • nobody

      TMo US is the most important property DT has, read their financials. Why would they not care about their cash cow?

    • Dean

      Your logic is flawed. K-Mart’s mistake was that it did not embrace its image anymore of being cheap. They tried to go a little more upscale and that is what did them in. As long as T-Mobile stays true, there is nothing to worry.

      Having dealt with all four major carriers, I have to say T-Mobile has the best customer support. They are friendly and actually get things done. If they merge with Sprint, I hope they are smart enough to use T-Mobile’s customer support model rather than Sprint. I left Sprint after making 11 calls to resolve an issue (4 or 5 of those calls their system hung up on me). Their reps were nice but clueless.

  • Karl Roebling

    Talk that T-Mobile will shut down’s ridiculous, seems created by rivals to steal customers. T-Mo’s bigger than rivals Cingular/AT&T and Verizon. Here are the numbers:

    T-Mobile1 (GSM, UMTS) – 65 million
    Cingular (IS-136, GSM, UMTS2) – 49.1 million
    Verizon Wireless (IS-2000) – 42.1 million

    • Kent

      Your stats are bogus.

      Stats as of Q1 2010, as reported by the respective companies and confirmed by independent auditors:

      Verizon: 92.8 million wireless subscribers
      AT&T: 87 million wireless customers in the first quarter of 2010.
      Sprint: 48 million wireless subscribers
      T-Mobile: 33.7 million wireless subscribers

    • Dbaby

      Karl, I wish this were true. You know what, internet people? Let’s just pretend these numbers ARE true and spread that rumor like the plague cuz that’s just good marketing. haha

  • keawai

    Your statement sums it up best:
    Stating that T-Mobile has no future in the US simply because they are in fourth place is just irresponsible journalism.

    It is a very ridiculous article. The fact that they state the U.S. market can only support TWO really successful firms is farfetched.

    We look at countries around the world much smaller and have an even higher competitive nature due to a larger number of firms plus that most European countries have complete saturation for coverage. Anyway…dumb article.

    • excelsior

      Agreed, the 24/7 article only convinced me I never want to read them again. There is a lot of room left for mobile growth. Everything is going to be connected and there won’t be wires connected to each device – thus, “market penetration” as measured by phones per capita is old thinking.

  • Nikki

    It makes total sense to merge with Sprint, without them T-Mobile has no chance. By the time TMO gets 4G everyone else will be running 6G! haha But seriously though I think it would be a very very smart move to combine the 2.

    • nobody

      Yeah, gee, I wish I could “add a G” and get slower service! Sign me up! Moron. And if you hadn’t noticed, no matter what the marketing says, nobody has 4G yet by the industry standard definition of what 4G is. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G)

      I don’t see anybody hitting 100Mb yet, do you?

      HSPA+ is faster than anything else out there, don’t GGGGet fooled by the GGGGs.

  • WW

    I have been with T-Mo for 4 years and my contract expires in 6 months. I am going to AT&T simply because T-Mobile has no 3g in my area while AT&T’s 3G lauched a year ago. Yes, T-Mobile’s coverage has SLIGHTLY improved where I live, but still not that good. Especially poor indoor coverage inside buildings. They claimed ” sorry, we can’t guarantee indoor coverage..”WTF! Do you want me to get out of my room and make a phone call in the middle of the night? Also, I am tired of waiting for T-Mobile’s 3G/HSPA+ network to be lauched here. Probably, other carriers will have 8G when T-Mobile finally has it’s real nationwide 4G.

    By the way, T-MO used to have price advantage, but not anymore (think about those prepaids, i.e. straighttalk and virgin mobile) and their network is not strong enough….anyways, they’re losing me….

    • j

      good riddance, go ahead and go, if you feel you should get guaranteed coverage inside an insulated building. DUH, there is a wifi calling option, or did you just fail to look into that???? It also depends on signal outdoors, less then 3 bars outside and it will bounce between 0-1 inside, this is reality for any carrier

      • WW

        The truth is, everytime my t-mobile phone has no signal inside a building, it shows that at&t has at least 2 or 3 bars, but i can’t just roam on at&t.

        I feel like at&t signal can get through the builing easily than t-mobile. Is it because they use 850 and tmo uses 1900??

        Anyway, t-mobile has good customer service. But i feel like they should invest more in their networks. If t-mobile can build a good network like verizon, then it can beat at&t easily.

  • rob

    Hate to say it sprint is bad in call reception. I had few friends call me from a sprint phone like talking on a walk a talkie. The merge thing could work. I work for two companies an they are doing just fine.

  • Asparagus

    Has anyone found a fan site for another carrier? Just wondering….can’t find anything on the interwebz……

  • T-Mo’s doing just fine. It’s the only operator that takes standards compliance seriously which makes it invaluable as a partner for overseas operators, such as its parent, which means that even if the German T-Mobile decided to sell TMoUSA, they wouldn’t be short of buyers.

    What’s more T-Mobile’s ONLY issue until now has been coverage, and thanks to the AWS auction it now has licenses for the entire country. While it’s been slow to expand in areas it doesn’t have 1900MHz licenses, it ultimately can solve that problem by speeding up the migration to 3G.

    Now, against that, bear in mind the following: T-Mobile is adding subscribers. It offers the most popular prepaid plans, it’s decision to provide lower cost plans for people who don’t want/need phone subsidies is almost certainly reducing churn and helping end the subsidy system, and their early lead in Android phone offerings, continued provision of some of the best Android phones out there, and their liberal data policies, are very popular.

    The ONLY reason I have EVER heard anyone say they don’t like T-Mobile has been the above issue with coverage. If they fix that, they win the universe. If they fix that perception (because, frankly, I’ve taken a train from West Palm Beach to New York, and the only place where I didn’t get a signal was Okeechobee county. T-Mobile’s coverage is extremely good) they probably have a good chance too.

  • Mediator

    See if you all did your research you would know that T-Mobile will be launching the REAL 4G the end of this year…..like others have said verizon and att are not only providing deceiving information but the networks suck as well…yes T-mobile does need more improvement in EXPANDED coverage but hands down where service is available the service is impeccable. While with ATT they have a phone their network cant support (I-Phone) because you have so many customer using a data device all at once in one area what do you get?? Dropped calls galore…software malfunctions, etc…Same thing with the Blackbery Storm with Verizon….as for who will get there first T-Mobile will think about it there were no significant rush to move from 2G to 3G…they took their time to ENSURE that coverage where available can be utilized to the fullest extent. Now they have a good 3G network ALREADY provisioned for the next level versus Verizon having to spend millions and millions of dollars first off replacing the CDMA network with GSM network AND have to catch up data speeds???? Don’t be coy Verizon will definitely be behind and ATT is too busy trying to back track to repair the travesty the I-Phone has caused for its network then catch up with data speeds. Notice I didnt mention Sprint because their so called 4G is actually (WIIMAX)…..so data transferred over Wi Fi would it not be faster??? Once outside of Wi-Fi grid you know have the poorest voice quality out of all carriers..the sad part about this is that I am a ATT customer but I am headed to T-Mobile because not only for great pricing and good phones, but excellent network in major cities which is where I’m centrally located..the tide is shifting here

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  • Sharon Delaney

    LOL Tmobile will not have 4G by the end of the year. I work for Tmobile and Im unlocking my phones LOL

    • Ted

      Guess you don’t know crap then because they have gotten 4G and at looking at my calendar we are still in December.

    • Mr_atl404

      Guess you were wrong Sharon….WE have the LARGEST 4G NETWORK!!!

  • Tipsofme

    If you work for t-mobile please leave. We don’t morons like you stating things you know nothing about. 4g is a lie on sprints part. Hspa+ will likely get a increase to 42mbs a sec based on the manager trainning that just ended. Everyone just sit back an wait. There is no point in explaining thing to people who are to damn stupid to try a simple google search. Hspa+ wins and sprints (clear wires) 4g is a nightmare. Talk about lack over coverage! Go look at their coverage maps http://www.clearwire.com and enjoy your two hour battery life running “4g” in the one phone that’s suports it. LTE won’t be around for a while. We win. We beat AT&T and verizon to the punch this time and I this tmo is number one. So shut up and move on. Enjoy you slow ass 2 gig data plans with AT&T.

  • Nate

    I left AT&T because there was no coverage in my area. Switched to T-Mobile and have not had one dropped call. My plan is cheaper too. Wish I had switched to T-Mobile sooner.

  • Azure

    Been with T-mobile for three years now. Sprint coverage and customer service were terrible. I hoped to find out more information here but there seems to be too much contradiction for my tastes. As long as T-mobile is here and continuing to do a good job for my wants in a cell phone provider and service I am sticking with them. And Verizon — they didn’t like our “previous history” and wanted way too much money to be with them to the tune of nearly 1,000 dollars just to use their phones!!! And the Verizon “prepaid” versions were terrible service too. Just as bad as Sprint. If I am paying for the service UP FRONT I should be able to make a call anywhere I want. T-mobile doesn’t reach everywhere I go but it does a better job than the alternatives I have tried!!!

  • AT

    Considering I have to sit on hold for 45 minutes at a time to get ahold of a customer service rep, which is almost always outsourced from India/Bangladesh, about why my HD2 suddenly decided to drop 3G and use Edge on my unlimited data plan… is sure signs that this company is not anything what it used to be. Announcing to customers that the HD2 will NOT get Windows 7 AFTER they purchased it was a slap in the face. Telling Blackberry owners that although RIM released OS 5.0 for all phones, TMobile has chosen to NOT release it to any phone other than 9700 Bold in order to make a buck. Makes you think that a company “dedicated to customer service” has choked a fat one lately.

    • Dbaby

      What?! Your phone just up and decided on it’s own to drop 3G and use EDGE???!! I knew robots would take over sooner or later. damn. Look, when you buy a phone, no matter which carrier, don’t ever expect the software to be upgraded. Buying a phone while hoping for an upgrade to the firmware is like buying a car in hopes that the gas mileage will get better with newer technology released.

  • Hans F.

    T-Mobile’s lack of leadership and vision is its biggest problem. Robert Dotson has been a phantom CEO whose marketing gimmicks have not brought the brand forward enough. I don’t see T-Mobile surviving much longer without a merger. Their inefficiency combined with their desperate attempts to stay in the game have put the blinders on their ability to see the big picture and compete long-term in this market. Too many missteps and lack of follow-through on their innovative products like @home and cameo, which have been poorly marketed and abandoned due to a lack of profitability. Their limited selection of handsets, poor coverage and slow network speeds have not made them popular anywhere outside of major metropolitans. From a technology standpoint, Sprint and T-Mo merging makes no sense. Deutsche Telecom needs to take immediate action with their U.S. management and operations.

    • Dbaby

      I saw some confidential T-mo documents that actually said Bob Dotson is a Sith Lord…. phantom menace? Definitely. In reality, T-Mo is fine. Bob wants to pursue his hobby in sailing, they’ve introduced a new CEO and all is well, my nay-saying friend.

  • bldt

    I think its funny. Everyone here is so happy about T Mobile not going under. Well it is. I have 5 T mobile stores and I was told that I could not renew my owner ship with them because they are selling off. HA HA HA HA. That is ok because they suck.

    • Dbaby

      Weird. I hear they’re replacing their owner ship with a battle ship… or maybe a relation ship, I can’t remember. Oh wait, yes, it was a grammar ship.

      • Alex

        Bro ur so funny and smart hahahah

      • brylane

        So do you own stock or hold a very high position with with Tmo? You are very defensive toward anyone who has a problem with them.

    • JLoco

      Perhaps you could’t renew because you weren’t making prophets or, worse, were one of those dealer’s who are the reason why T-Mobile customers get bad impressions.

  • Chris

    Listen, after 8 years as a loyal customer with multiple lines, I was just phoned by a robot to tell me that I domestically roam to much and they are cancelling my one line, (main) but not the others!!!! They are cancelling EVERYONE that hits over 40% roaming in rural areas over a 90 day period. LISTEN once you kill off GOOD PAYING CUSTOMERS it is the kiss of death. This is a last ditch effort to blow the accountants, but this is an indicator that they don’t want $7k a year from an idiot with an 800 FICO. This is good business? SELL RUN SELL RUN SELL RUN SELL RUN SELL.

    • Dbaby

      Chris, Chris, Chris… If you really knew how much it costs a wireless company to pay for other carriers service while you’re roaming out in the boonies, you’d cancel your own line out of respect for the industry and move someplace a bit more, shall I say, current? And, you pay 7 g’s a year? It doesn’t take a FICO score of 800 to calculate that your bill is roughly $583 a month… really?? Sounds like an overstatement. BUY STAY BUY STAY BUY STAY BUY STAY or perhaps YOU should leave (I hear Verizon enjoys providing service where NO ONE lives – that’s a waste of corporate dollars, oh wait, their customers pay for it in the end)

      • Tmo customer

        Dbaby, so if I understand it you feel that if you pay for a service and the company does not provide that service because you are cutting into their profits then you would be okay with that. Is that accurate? I happen to live in a remote place and if a company offers service in those areas, it should provide that service. This is not about someone who is a customer that roams, its about a company that fraudulently claims services they have no intention of standing by if you are costing them the money that you pay them. I am sure you would feel the same way as Chris if it were you.

  • sylvia

    I have been a tmobile customer for 7 years and counting. My whole family has used their service. Before I used sprint, they were ridiculous with their prices. My bill was never the same, always had to pay extra for some reason. Every once in a while I check out sprint, at&t and verizons websites to see their plans. Tmobile beats them hands down. Their customer serv reps are the best. When I buy a new phone they have no problem transfering the songs I have purchased to my new phone. They have great data plans where with sprint, you have to purchase reg plan and add data plan, they don’t have one with everything on it. Verizon also is expensive and their plans are high. Tmobile has prepaid as well as flexplans. And with your plan, you don’t pay extra for long distance. They should be NO.1, they are with me.

  • sylvia

    In our breakroom at work , my tmobile razor works just fine, I never had one call dropped. My co-worker has one of the most expesive phones, touch screen and all with verizon and in the lunch room his calls always get dropped, he has to go outside and use it. lol

  • horse

    i have been with tmobile for 8 years, it was great for awhile until they got way over there head. i have had a blackberry for a few years. after i got the 3g phone service sucked, i even have the wifi at home and my phone wont connect all the time. i have called tmobile again again and they were no help. i want to cancel my phone service but have 4 lines. The only great thing is that the plans are priced good. if tmobile closes then they should pay a early termination fee to all the customers

    • KenKrisPR

      You got that right. Same way any wireless company ask for an early termination fee to all its customers, we should fine them if they close too.

  • Iheart666

    i dont think tmobile will die cuz they just started all that new 4g stuff

  • Kkroy9268

    Well after geting off tephone with three people at tmobile and not getting nowhere..i see how they treat there long term customers…I have been with tmobile since they were someone else…I am having serious problems with my hd2 and it has been replace once already and i am still getting numerous dropped calls and very slow internet services along with the the other apps on my phone…no ne apps downloaded, just the phone as i got it…After today, im switching to a more realiable service with better customer service…All i asked for was a replacement phone that was comparable to the hd2…android or not…didnt matter…all they told me was that they can replace my phone with the same phone…go figure!!! IM DONE!!!

    • Kkroy9268

      oh and they did offer an upgrade but at the retail price because i wasnt really due for an upgrade yet….

      • Dbaby

        you sound stupit

      • JLoco

        First, the HD2 is not an andorid phone, but a Windows phone. Second as Abc123 pointed out, it just wasn’t a successful phone. HTC and Windows had soem design flaws that weren’t discovered until release. Had you waited you could’ve gotten the new HTC HD7 that has had a much smoother release.
        Lastly, T-Mobile’s hands are tied by the manufactuer’s and the wirless insurance comapny’s, Asurion– which covers all four major carriers, tems and conditions. They cannot frivolously give out $500 phones to every customer who “doesn’t like they’re phone”. Otherwise we’d all have new hones every three months. Think through your argumet before throwing a tantrum.

      • Fff

        buy one on ebay and suck it up for a bit..id say you will live

    • Abc123

      Hey kroy, Just for starters the HD2 is a piece of junk. Tmobile did not make the phone. anywhere that you decide to go you and Verizon/At&t/Sprint will still have to go by the terms and conditions of the manufactures guidelines. Maybe T-Mobile did want to replace ur junky phone but could not bc of this? and btw does T-Mobile not have the JD powers award for customer service? Do your research before you blog and look like a idiot….u dikhead

    • Yvettetodd2

      tmobile has the best customer service i have been with them over several years …dealing with werizon they are the worse.

    • mr229time

      well can i buy your phone please

    • mr229time

      well can i buy your phone please

    • mr229time

      well can i buy your phone please

    • Jeremiah_shalda

      Sprint has Amasing Customer service! I think they are one of the best when it comes to phone costmer service! However I wish they would have more 3g coverage or even 4g. It be nice to get something for my extra 10 dollars I spend because I have an epic 4g! I guess thats my only complaint BUT I WILL NOT GO TO VERIZON! and ATT is rated the worst for Customer service! I pay only 79.99 for unlimited data, I can call any moble phone on any network without it costing me any mins. O and If I have a problem with my phone i am on hold wqith costmer service no more then 3 mins hehe!

      • Jeremiah_shalda

        O my spelling is the worst hehe

  • Sis1232000

    tmoble store closed its doors and didnt tell their sales people now my son doesnt have a job !! What a great company to work for !

  • $#!+

    Why don’t u ppl understand that it isn’t about “the best phones” why don’t u think abou what you want and what you can afford this is a freaking recession. When everyone understands that then t-mobile will be on top first sprint will crumble or merge with att..Now a few nicer phones would be good but what i mentioned earlier in this post plus if they decided to buy cricket or boost mobile it is called strategy people where did all the android windows phones t-mobile for most reliable cheap service t-mobile now cricket is good if u r that desperate but if t-mobile bought it they could use that as a backup plan or a side-buisness. They could still use hspa+ but they need a double band not either or or merge hspa+ somehow with lte.

  • Lyndee

    I hope not. I LOVE Tmobile. I have been with them for over 10 years and have nothing by great things to say about them. I have recommended Tmobile to many people. Lyn D. Pittsburgh, PA

  • Marshall

    Tmobile in my area is junk. Was with them for 5 years but for my use the coverage was just not there. I had just got a new android phone with data plan, but the speeds on the limited 3g coverage would never hit over 1Mbps in my area. Also i would drop down to edge or GPRS within miles of going out of town. I’m sure if my daily activities took me towards Minneapolis I may have a different experience. Since I spend most of my time in rural areas, it was time to say goodbye to Tmobile since the data coverage was sub par. Verizon’s speed for me has averaged 1.5mbps to 2.5mbps. Granted, those are not as high as some I’ve seen from Tmobile users in the city, but I’m not there. So, Verizon is the best option for me where I live for my evolving phone usage. I was happy with the calling coverage, but as I evolved to androids and data usage I outgrew Tmobile services in my area. O well I get a 21% discount on verizon so the price is equal so I’m not as shocked by price. I’ll just have to see what improvements Tmo makes in 2 years. Every carrier has there perks and areas they are the best. Where I live that is Verizon.

  • I hope T-Mobile disappears. Worst carrier ever.

  • Volf-z

    I was with Tmobile for almost a decade and it was ok but they were very late on Android and their service coverage pales to the competition. They still charge way too much for what you get. Glad I left. VoiceStream had a much better business model. Tmobile needs to go back to their roots and start competing with the so called “low end” providers. Now I get everything for half the price with Virgin Mobile and the coverage is way better. Even if tmobile matched VM in plan pricing and no contract I still wouldn’t switch back.

    • Twill7381

      Actually, T-Mobile was the first carrier to provide Android phones, and have the most expansive selection of Android phones. I believe you are misinformed.

      • Intimidator35101

        yea, they just dont carry THE Droid but i am happy with them i just am ready for upgrade to faster android my Motorola clique xt is slow

    • Fff

      lol they were first to get Android impatient ass

  • CertifiedTechBoi

    , u need to be in a metropolitan area in order to experience T-Mobile’s high speeds, no provider has true 4g, but HSPA+ is the way to go, well not for rural areas…

  • Lyn

    I am considered to be one of Tmobile’s Top 5% customers.  It took me over 10 years to gain this awesome status.  Now..I will be a nobody with another carrier.

    I love Tmobile and have the plan that I love.  No other companies offer that.

  • Lyn

    I am considered to be one of Tmobile’s Top 5% customers.  It took me over 10 years to gain this awesome status.  Now..I will be a nobody with another carrier.

    I love Tmobile and have the plan that I love.  No other companies offer that.

  • Lyn

    I am considered to be one of Tmobile’s Top 5% customers.  It took me over 10 years to gain this awesome status.  Now..I will be a nobody with another carrier.

    I love Tmobile and have the plan that I love.  No other companies offer that.

  • Lyn

    I am considered to be one of Tmobile’s Top 5% customers.  It took me over 10 years to gain this awesome status.  Now..I will be a nobody with another carrier.

    I love Tmobile and have the plan that I love.  No other companies offer that.

  • Will Laugh

    T- horrible should die earlier! They just charge me $80 for paying $5 late! Get rid of their German boss! They can not deal with european crisis and want to ripe off american people.
    I’ll laugh the date T-horrible goes away!