Network Updates: Multiple new 700MHz sightings in Cleveland and Cincinnati, OH among others

I’ve had a number of emails over the past week with new band 12 LTE sightings. I figured I’d share them with you before I take the weekend off to celebrate the beginning of the second year in to my thirties.

It’s no coincidence that these sightings have fallen in line with the new Android 5.1 software update on the Nexus 6, but it comes as further confirmation that T-Mobile really is rolling out its 700MHz airwaves “furiously”.

T-Mobile has already mentioned officially that its Band 12 network is live in and around Cleveland, so it’s no surprise to see a few sightings in the area. We’ve been emailed two. One in Seven Hills and the other in Poland, OH.

Poland, OH
Poland Ohio

Seven Hills, OH
Seven Hills, near Cleveland, OH

Just a few hours down the road – and this is pretty big news – is that Cincinnati seems to have some 700MHz action going on too. Interestingly, this is a city which, up until fairly recently, didn’t have any LTE. When it did arrive, it was in the 1900MHz flavor. We’ve even seen evidence to support the theory that all three bands T-Mobile uses for LTE are active in the area. But for now, let’s stick with the 700MHz sighting:

Cincinnati

Others include Oroville in California, Stratford in Connecticut and Denver, Colorado. The open map in seemingly permanent creation by DanRant of Reddit also indicates that we now have 700MHz LTE active in Los Angeles. We now have dozens of live sites showing up in Connecticut, Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, Los Angeles, New York and Ohio among others. It’s well worth a check to see if an area near you has one up and running.

T-Mobile’s network improvements aren’t just about the 700MHz frequency though. It’s also rolling out LTE to new locations. One of those is Fargo, North Dakota.

Fargo

As always, keep your new sightings rolling in, particularly if you have 700MHz show up for the first time. Email cam@tmonews.com.

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  • Cam Fas

    Can’t wait for the iPhone to get this band on the next model

  • Bordelais

    Anyone know who owns the 700a licenses in the Salt Lake City market?

    • Guest

      Continuum 700 LLC

  • Tim O. Towers

    The LTE Discovery app is known to be inaccurate.

    • dontsh00tmesanta

      Its been fixed

  • guest

    when will Detroit Metro areas get the 700 MHz band online

    • JLV90

      Probably as soon as the CH 51 in between Grand Rapids and Detroit is cleared then they can do pretty much the entire state. It’s currently in the process of moving.

      • TK – Indy

        They don’t have any licenses in the UP. But that’s OK, because rocks and trees don’t use cell phones, right?

        • Acdc1a

          T mobile has 700mhz to Sault Saint Marie. They have other spectrum holdings in the up, just not deployed.

        • TK – Indy

          I stand corrected. They can cover 2/3 of the state – not the entire state.

    • TK – Indy

      Looks like they are working on Detroit. They have 700 mhz licenses in most of the LP.

  • Cam Fas

    Mainly for traveling since last Vegas as of yet doesn’t have band 12 but when they get carriar aggragation and band 12 in Vegas I will be an even happier camper

    • dontsh00tmesanta

      I hope the nexus 6 support carrier aggregation

      • JLV90

        Nexus 6 does support carrier aggregation but I don’t think it can on T-mobile.

        I think I read that it supports aggregation between bands 2 and 13, 2 and 17, 4 and 13, 4 and 17, and 4 and 5. In other words only on AT&T and Verizon out of the Big 4.

        • eAbyss

          It supports band 2+4 aggregation so it’ll work on T-Mobile.

          It supports 2+4, 2+13, 2+17, 4+5, 4+13, and 4+17.

        • dontsh00tmesanta

          :(

    • TK – Indy

      T-mobile doesn’t own the 700 mhz in Las Vegas. Can’t happen.

      • RiskyBidThis

        I think it will, probably not until late-2015 or early-2016 though. I’m still betting that a number of the squatters will lose their game of chicken by the middle of this year, although maybe it won’t be until later in the year.

      • Cam Fas

        Yes I did state that Vegas doesn’t have band 12 if you re read the first sentence states it

      • chrsstph9

        Buy from Cox’s or Columbia Capitol they have 700 MHz spectrum in Las Vegas.

  • RPGai

    What app(s) are these? I want them. I will report all my findings. Please let me know.

    • Justin Smith

      The first one is LTE discovery. The second and last ones are engineering mode which is built into some devices.

      • eAbyss

        The last one is Sensorly…

    • eAbyss

      The first two pictures are LTE Discovery, the third is engineering mode (Google to find out how to access it on your phone, IF you can), the forth and my favorite is Sensorly.

      LTE Discovery: Displays and logs information on LTE connections.

      Engineering Mode: Displays information about your current connection.

      Sensorly: Map 2G, 3G, LTE, WiMAX, and WiFi coverage and speed. You can also run speed tests and view coverage maps. All information is crowd-sourced and more representative of actual coverage than carrier maps. Mapping is only available on Android due to iOS limitations.

      • Ryan Carnes Ofs

        Sensorly works perfectly fine with my iPhone and iPad.

  • YABD

    700mhz means wider coverage?

    • TK – Indy

      In building and farther reaching. Slower, though.

      • Rob

        Its only slower if you had a signal previously lol. Dont most phones prefer HSPA over band 12 LTE anyway if it’s available?

        • TK – Indy

          They are making HSPA as low a priority as possible, and even getting rid of it completely in areas where they are spectrum challenged. Everyone should get rid of HSPA only devices and any notion of using HSPA on T-mobile going forward

        • Rob

          I’m well aware they want to decommission HSPA ASAP but there have been reports of phones preferring band 4 HSPA over using band 12 LTE when both are available. I suppose it doesn’t really matter since it will all be LTE in a few years anyway.

        • maximus1901

          You are misinformed. They will not be getting rid of Hspa 1900 for a loooooooong time. Eventually they’ll get rid of AWS Hspa but not for 2-3 years, my guess.

        • TK – Indy

          “Mayo said that T-Mobile has used AWS spectrum for its urban and suburban LTE deployments, but will use 1900 MHz LTE for its rural LTE coverage, especially as the company works to bring LTE service to its entire 2G EDGE footprint by mid-2015”

        • maximus1901

          TMO only has 5x5mhz AWS. It doesn’t have enough spectrum for AWS lte. In cincinatti.
          The reason why TMO is using pcs for rural lte is because it is upgrading it’s rural edge sites on the cheap by not adding AWS antennas. That’s the only reason.

        • TK – Indy

          Right, I remember now. Islands of LTE with Edge between, and no HSPA around.

        • Fabian Cortez

          Right, I remember now. Islands of LTE with Edge between, and no HSPA around.

          There’s that LTE islands misnomer again. Just because Sprint was unable to properly execute the GMO doesn’t mean T-Mobile isn’t capable.

          Having traveled through rural band II LTE-only areas, I can tell you that they’re not LTE islands.

        • TK – Indy

          Unfortunately, your biased opinion is dubious and unreliable on these matters.

        • Fabian Cortez

          Unfortunately, your biased opinion is dubious and unreliable on these matters.

          Really? This is coming from the same person who claims Sprint is the best in Indianapolis and T-Mobile is the absolute worst. The same person who puts his own daughters on the absolute worst carrier and not on a Sprint family plan. Hmm…

          Please go troll somewhere else because you have absolutely no business here other than to start drama.

        • TK – Indy

          Everyone agreeing on the basic tenets of the T-mobile religion would make for a boring site, indeed.

        • Chrssstph9

          Entire 2g Edge footprint, yes, but “SUBSTANTIAL”, meaning majority towers upgraded by midyear…and finished by the EOY 15.

        • J Cav the Great

          That’s crazy..I usually turn off my LTE to save battery life..HSPA is fast enough enough for me…6-14mbps Down 2-3 Up in my areas….

  • Rob

    700 in Denver? How? We have channel 51 right smack in the middle!

    • Justin Smith

      It was cleared I believe

      • Rob

        That was fast, rumor was it wouldn’t be done til 2016

    • ricon

      I havent seen 700A in denver.

    • taron19119

      T-mobile cleared band 12 in Denver

    • Steve

      I noticed it via *#0011# on St Patricks day near dumb friends league , it was very spotty, kept switching to band 4 from 12 i haven’t seen it since, I think there was a test signal or enabling it on that exact tower that day, I did manage to get a screen shot with band 12 twice and sent it to cam, it’s still good news and it seems like it’s gonna be turned on city wide any day now

      • Rob

        Would be nice. Not that we have bad coverage in Denver to begin with really, it’s just the building penetration that isn’t as good as it could be.

  • Arturo B

    T-Mobile hasn’t started working with LTE A yet? Cause I’ve read some rumors that they supposedly will be working to get that technology? Anyone has any updates about that?

    • TK – Indy

      2016 at earliest, and it is just for arenas, malls, etc. It is a small solution that is basically a DAS replacement.

      • Arturo B

        Oh, I thought they were gonna implement it in general… :(

        • TK – Indy

          Sorry, I confused that with LTE-U. LTE – A is the aggregation bit, right. Don’t know about that, sorry.

        • Fabian Cortez

          “Carrier aggression” is just one aspect of LTE advanced.

        • TK – Indy

          All aspects are vape at this point. Keep the T-mobile e-juice coming, Fabian loves it.

        • Fabian Cortez

          All aspects are vape at this point. Keep the T-mobile e-juice coming, Fabian loves it.

          You do nothing but troll and make out-of-this-world statements about things you know nothing off. You never have proof to back up your alleged facts and you completely ignore real facts that are presented to you. Your accounting degree has really failed you.

          AT&T was the first to deploy LTE advanced due to their use and need of “carrier aggression.” Their network would be in even worse shape if not employed.

          Here are real facts that back up my previous statement that you have to deal with: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_Advanced

          Your trolling has come to the point that’s it’s unproductive and unnecessary. Considering the fact that you have no facts.

        • Stupid Spellchecker?

          No… “Carrier aggression” is when John Legere jumps up and down on stage and tells AT&T, Verizon & Sprint to all to F*** themselves… I presume you meant to say “Carrier AGGREGATION”???

        • Fabian Cortez

          No… “Carrier aggression” is when John Legere jumps up and down on stage and tells AT&T, Verizon & Sprint to all to F*** themselves… I presume you meant to say “Carrier AGGREGATION”???

          If you’re going to troll me you need to troll harder.

          There’s a reason quotation marks exist. Now go back under your bridge.

        • TK – Indy

          None of the aspects are even close to being used right now. This is called vaporware.

        • Fabian Cortez

          None of the aspects are even close to being used right now. This is called vaporware.

          The worst part about your trolling is that you don’t know what you’re talking about nor are you any good at it.

          AT&T was the first to deploy “carrier aggression” in this country and there are indeed sightings that date back to December 2014 of T-Mobile deploying “carrier aggression.”

          https://www.tmonews.com/2014/12/t-mobile-band-12-700mhz-lte-network-spotted-in-amherst-ohio/

      • Fabian Cortez

        No.

        LAA aggregates licensed and unlicensed spectrum. DAS is for licensed spectrum only. You need to understand the difference.

        At least you’ve stopped that “it’s just Wi-Fi” nonsense.

  • Jay J. Blanco

    I was wondering what band LTE was being mapped in Fargo, North Dakota

    • Most likely Band 2 1900 PCS, if not that, then its 700 Band 12.

      • Jay J. Blanco

        Hope it’s both

  • JB45

    There still hasn’t been confirmation of Band IV in Cincinnati yet. From my experience there is one tower that on LTE Discovery shows Band IV. But my Note 4 service screen said Band II

    • Nick

      I would trust service mode over anything

  • Alex P.

    Yea, about that “New York” thingie you mention… I don’t see anyone reporting active Band 12 at the only “New York” part that matters – NYC and nearby New Jersey areas which are still within that red “WNJN” circle. Surely T-Mobile still has a couple of billion$ left to make that circle disappear, without waiting for silly 600 MHz auctions?

    • Arturo B

      From what I’ve read the only place right now in NY that has “supposedly” band 12 up and running is Long Island.. For the city in general we might have to wait till 2016 or who knows hopefully maybe at the end of this year.

  • McNucklefuts

    Is there an app I can download to identify what frequency I’m connected to?

    • superg05

      do you have a samsung phone? if so *#0011#

      • McNucklefuts

        I don’t, unfortunately in this case. I’m using a Moto X

        • You would need the LTE Discovery app then.

        • McNucklefuts

          Awesome! I will try that out
          Is there a good app that also does HSPA info? Or does HSPA not broadcast the information the way LTE does?

        • Justin Smith

          HSPA is a little different, there aren’t band numbers assigned to spectrum for it.

        • Fabian Cortez

          HSPA is a little different, there aren’t band numbers assigned to spectrum for it.

          You have to be clear with your statement. UMTS does indeed have bands assigned to spectrum but not in the LTE discovery app.

          LTE Discovery was developed for Sprint users and its network and since Sprint doesn’t use UMTS, it kind of makes sense.

        • Yeah, I tried looking for an app that would show you the HSPA bands, but there isn’t an app for that.

    • eAbyss

      LTE Discovery. The same app shown in this article…

  • maximus1901

    I’m skeptical of the band 4 lte in cincinatti.
    I haven’t read of TMO getting additional band 4.
    Unless they got more, there’s only 5x5mhz AWS for Hspa.
    The good news is that TMO got additional 5fdd MHz of pcs so in cincinatti TMO now has
    20×20 MHz pcs
    5×5 MHz AWS

    • JB45

      It’s one tower for some reason shows up on LTE Discovery as Band IV. It’s right by the casino. I was near there on Wednesday and my Service Screen said still said band II. I will do screenshots next time i’m downtown.

      • Jess

        Now the site by my house is showing AWS too. But the engineering screen says B2. I think T-Mobile is changing the GCI patterns, causing all three apps to show AWS. My GCI before today was 0062970D, now this morning it’s 00629703. It’s got to be something with the GCI that’s causing it to read it as AWS, is my assumption.

        • Trevnerdio

          If they acquired more PCS spectrum, then yeah, it should be Band II.

        • Jess

          ?

        • Trevnerdio

          In reference to what Maximus was saying.

        • Jess

          Ah OK, lol I was like what is he talking about. Sorry about that.

        • Trevnerdio

          And what you were saying lol yeah, I wasn’t replying to the wrong thread. It would make more sense if I could reply to multiple

  • JaswinderSinghJammu

    How far would the 700 MHz signal theoratically and actually travel compared to 1700 or 1900 MHz? Any ideas?

    • Cam Fas

      Think 700 can go up to 19-20 miles vs 1700-1900 7-10 miles give or take at least that’s what I’ve been told

      • Jay Holm

        Wow, 700 can travel that far? So that means a cell site in Long Island Ny, can reach across the Long Island Sound to Bridgeport?

      • Fabian Cortez

        It’s much further than that. At least twice as far.

    • Mike

      For every 1 tower on 700 MHz you will need 4 on 1900 MHz and 1700/2100 MHz. It also depends on the height of the towers as well as the terrain.

  • eAbyss

    Just waiting for the FCC up here in Western Washington…

    • jay_max

      FCC has approved the deal. TMO and Vulcan just need to exchange cash and consummate the deal.

  • milo

    I want southwest michigan. Big gap there

  • Ozgur Sen

    Middletown Delaware is also active since January

  • Jay Holm

    Nice to see Ct, and especially Stratford mentioned, I work in Stratford. But I do have a question, the S6 is launching with 5.0.2, does it have to have 5.1 for Band 12 to work?

    • eAbyss

      It’s independent of the OS version. It depends on whether Samsung enables it or not.

      • Jay Holm

        Oh, it seems like special emphasis is put on 5.1 regarding Band 12. I think you meant it’s up to T-Mobile to enable it.

        • eAbyss

          There was a radio patch included with the update on the Nexus 6 that enabled it on that device.

        • Jay Holm

          Oh. I would like to know where in Stratford Ct Band 12 was sighted.

        • NexusPhan

          Band 12 signal spreads out over a 16 mile diameter (or more). Wikipedia says Stratford is only 19 square miles. So I’ll make a guess that it’s live throughout that town.

        • Jay Holm

          I just wish I knew where the 700mhz antenna is, for best signal, I work near the Sikorsky Airport. I wonder if T-Mobile will cover northwest Connecticut with Band 12, I want to do some rural driving near Colebrook Connecticut, I want to see if the galaxy is visible way out there

        • NexusPhan

          Northwest Connecticut is already covered with T-Mobile 700mhz.

          http://ae2.spectrumgateway.com/t-mobile-700-mhz-spectrum.html

    • johndizo

      Near second hill lane.. next to stratford and bridgeport line.. vazzys and Four seasons

      • Jay Holm

        The only place I have a problem with building penetration is where I work, Access Rd & Main St across the street from the Sikorsky Airport, so this should help.

  • Bordelais

    Bon anniversaire, Cam!

  • Mike Palomba

    Does anyone know if there’s a way to tell what band you’re on using an iPhone? I poked around it service mode but didn’t see anything like that.

    • Fabian Cortez

      Field test app under “serving cell info.” That’s for LTE only.

      For HSPA, you must disable LTE or being connected to HSPA only. Then you need to reference UARFCN with the different bands.

      • Mike Palomba

        Ok thanks

    • Bradley Karas

      It won’t matter. You are either on band 2 or band 4 since iPhone isn’t band 12 compatible

      • Mike Palomba

        Yea I know that I was just curious about what band is being used in my neighborhood

  • Justin Smith

    Aw you didn’t include my new LTE sighting near Wooster Ohio! :( You should make a separate network update for 1900Mhz as well!

    • Justin Smith

      Glad to see new sighting for 700Mhz though ;)

    • josh

      Didn’t include Cedar City Utah either. 1900Mhz showed up here a little more than a week ago :D

      • Justin Smith

        All of us 1900Mhz reporters left out ;D

  • William Burr Winans

    Good news Big Wave Ventures Spectrum got approved by the FCC!

    http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=3432276

  • Bradley Karas

    Band 12 was already in the City of Tampa but I noticed they lit it up over the bay in Pinellas county in St Pete over the weekend. I was getting a solid signal inside a restaurant I never did prior to that. Good things

  • Nick

    Let’s go Cincy!!! Tmo had made so much progress here in the past year or so

    • Chris Fisher

      With the Android 5.1 update on my T-Mobile Nexus 6 I now have VoLTE and Band 12 LTE.

  • n8erman

    Why never any love for Phoenix from the carriers? Nah, let’s put all our resources into the mistake on the lake.

  • Joemail

    NYC: it needs in building signal badly! That ch51 needs to be readjusted to a few miles in NJ. Or if they can reach an agreement to fire up small range 700mhz to cover NYC…even at a tiny freq enough to get signal.
    I hear Q2 we would see something…I really hope that ch51 relocates soon…sick of this political game. Lol OK done venting. Anyone got any updates ?

    • chrssstph9

      TMO could get contracts with building Management and hook them up on a DAS system High frequency at high power will be good enough for inbuilding coverage.

    • John Wentworth

      Yea, I’m irritated about that same channel 51 that’s keeping my area of central NJ from getting band 12 coverage. T-mobile signal is pretty good here, but we could really use 700Mhz coverage for when your in certain buldings. I make due with WiFi calling, but 700Mhz coverage would be much better.

  • Laststop311

    It’s nice to live in northeast ohio on a galaxy note 4 on t-mobile. Near same reliability as verizon and faster speeds and lower prices. It’s a no brainer to go with t-mobile if you don’t do a lot of travelling and live in a 700mhz area. Now when I go in the hospital or library or downtown i actually keep a solid 3 bar LTE signal pretty much everywhere. Before I was completely losing the ability to call text or receive data. Gotta love 700 mhz.

    • Walt

      Where at in NE ohio?

      • Laststop311

        cleveland ohio suburbs

  • Peter Thompson

    I’ll have to confirm Fargo, because I live [there] and I don’t see 4G. The only time I do is when I’m roaming on AT&T’s network.

    • Roger Sales

      its mapped out on Sensorly a teeny bit, don’t know if its B2, B4, or B12, but its definitely alive and growing. Should be pretty extensive by December given that map leak.

      • Jason

        I’m impatiently waiting for this to happen. I have Verizon through work. I never get above 5 for download speeds.

      • Its either band 2 or 12, because the HTC One M7 supports Band 4 and Peter’s phone is not getting LTE at all.

    • Terry

      I would make sure that you have a phone that can pick up the signal they are using there. If you don’t you may not see 4g.

      • Peter Thompson

        HTC One M7 gotten from T-Mobile, so I’m pretty sure it’ll work. I checked the specs, and I’m nearly certain they match.
        I spent about a half hour driving around places I’ve seen mapped out (sensorly and other sites) that say they have had spottings of anything besides Edge. No avail.

        • Sounds like the HTC One M7 is using an LTE band that your phone is not compatible of using. The article screenshot shows a Nexus 6 connected to LTE in Fargo, ND. So I’ll just talk about T-Mobile’s LTE. T-Mobile uses band 2, 4, and 12 for LTE. As a fact, the HTC One M7 does not support band 12 (only newer devices support it like the Nexus 6). So that leaves band 2 and 4. Whatever band is used in Fargo is not band 4, because your devices works with band 4, so it would’ve connected if it found band 4. That leaves band 2, either HTC One M7 doesn’t support Band 2 (which might be used in Fargo) or T-Mobile did not use band 2 there, which is why your phone can’t connect (even if your phone does work on band 2). So its safe to say that T-Mobile used either band 2 or 12 in Fargo, and your phone is not compatible with the bands.

  • El.

    It’s like they’re intentionally forgetting about New Mexico… -_-

  • Raymond G

    Can anyone please explain why my data speeds have dropped drastically in the past 3 months?!. Literally anywhere i go within a 30 mile radius from where i live ive noticed my speeds drop from getting 50mbps consistently to barely 5mbps. Im really considering dropping tmobile! Its absolutely ridiculous!

    • Terry

      Can’t explain it, however having this same issue in Denver. I live near downtown and it works great. But, when I head just south of the city new the Denver Tech Center it slows down to 1mb or less. I have complained to Tmobile, but they are not following through on their promise to look into the issue.

      • Raymond G

        Ive called t-mobile multiple multiple times ! Its exhausting! I swear there techs have there heads up there ass! But whats even more strange when i go in to service mode on my iphone 6 it shows the towers download MHZ is 15mhz?? So doesnt that mean im in a wideband area because if thats the case im totalling dropping t-mobile and jumping back to sprint because my girlfriend gets way better speeds where i live! And yes i said it she has sprint! I live in Central Valley Manteca CA!

  • jelp2

    Im confused about the bands. Isnt band 12 brand new and hardly any devices have yet to support it? Or is that band 17?? If band 12 isnt supported much what all the news about it being deployed?

    • Its Band 12, here is a list of devices that are enabled for band 12, and which ones need a software update to enable the band. spectrumgateway (dot) com/compatible-phones

    • Its Band 12, here is a list of devices that are enabled for band 12, and which ones need a software update to enable the band. “spectrumgateway (dot) com/compatible-phones”

  • rusky13

    What speeds can we expect in Cincinnati with band 12?

    • 10-20Mbps average guess, because band 12 is currently deployed in a 5x5MHz unlike the other bands (2, 4) which are 10x10MHZ, 15x15MHz, or 20x20Mhz depending on location.

      • Soire

        B2 in Cincinnati is 5+5 at the moment, so B12 should have the same speeds or even better (do to the fact that not everyone has a B12 enabled device)

  • domikno

    Do anybody know if Cincinnati will be getting wideband lte anytime soon?

  • Martin

    What app are you using to identify the network bands on your phone?

    • Trevnerdio

      If you’re on a Samsung device, dial *#0011# and it should automatically bring up “ServiceMode” and in the top row, it’ll tell you the band you’re connected to and the total bandwidth (upstream and downstream) that the tower is broadcasting.