(Updated) AT&T Ties Up Lumia 920 As Carrier Exclusive, What About The 820?


Update: According to Nokia’s website, the Lumia 820 is also an AT&T exclusive, though AT&T’s press release doesn’t mention that specifically. 

Update 2: The Nokia website has been updated to show the Lumia 820 as “coming soon” from AT&T, but they have removed the “exclusive.” Good news. 

We had high hopes that Nokia’s Lumia 920 would make the carrier rounds and not be tied down to any one particular carrier via an exclusivity deal. Alas, it wasn’t meant to be as AT&T and Nokia announced earlier this morning the Lumia 920 as an AT&T carrier exclusive. That’s hugely disappointing considering HTC set out to make their own Windows Phone 8 flagship available to three of the nations largest carriers. Nokia, a company that desperately needs a win in the Windows Phone 8 market seems destined to continue shooting themselves in the foot by placing their very best handset on the carrier with the largest iPhone audience, not to mention AT&T’s reinvigorated Android lineup.

The Lumia 820 is still a maybe for a T-Mobile arrival and while it’s a great smartphone on its own, I can’t hide my disappointment at yet another missed opportunity for both T-Mobile and Nokia.

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  • dethduck

    At this point, AT&T is bordering on ant-competitive practices. However, I’ve decided at this point, considering the loss of the One X+, that I will no longer support any manufacturer that agrees to exclusivity deals from here on.

    • g2a5b0e

      As much as hate to admit it, I doubt anyone could make a case for AT&T being anti-competitive in this area. It’s not like they’re holding the manufacturers at gun point & making them sign these exclusivity deals. It’s purely the manufacturer’s choice. Also, Verizon has more money than AT&T & therefore, the ability to do the same with these phones, yet they’ve chosen not to. I still think these manufacturers are making a huge mistake. The amount of money AT&T is throwing at them for these exclusive can’t compare to the amount of money they would be making if their phones were available on others carriers also. I just don’t get it.

      • archerian

        “The amount of money AT&T is throwing at them for these exclusive
        can’t compare to the amount of money they would be making if their
        phones were available on others carriers also” – Apple, Nokia and HTC have accountants who have done the math, maybe its not quite so.

        • g2a5b0e

          Nice try, but I highly doubt the accountants are the ones making these decisions. To be an accountant, you have to have a grasp of simple economics. AT&T has roughly 106 million customers. There’s no way it would be cost effective for them to cover the full amount of money Nokia & HTC would be making if these phones were also on Verizon (111 million), Sprint (56 million), & T-Mobile (33 million). There’s a reason Apple’s phones are available on multiple carriers now & there’s a reason why both HTC & Nokia are currently bleeding serious market share.

        • archerian

          106 million/111 million etc, the total number of customers doesn’t really mean much to a WP7/8 phone manufacturer as much as how much a carrier would promote their device and hence drive adoption. If a large carrier demands exclusivity for heavy promotion of a distant 3rd ecosystem, your chances are better off to get more sales on heavily promoted one network rather than be an also-ran in all. Its better to stick to a one larger carrier and sell as many with the operators sales force pushing your device rather than have demo units and inventory sitting idle across all showrooms across all carriers. Remember, the device in question is not exactly selling like hot cakes, so you need all the marketing support you can get.

          The Lumia 900 was promoted heavily by ATT, at one point, if you walked into any ATT store, they would try and push the Lumia 900 on you, instead of the iPhone 4S even in places with no LTE. At the same time, T-mobile sales folks actively cajoled users to buy Android phones, often outright saying WP7 phones suck. As a network, T-mobile actively promotes Android devices, and if you walk into a store, you will see most “push” for android devices.

        • g2a5b0e

          However, that Lumia 900 push didn’t seem to work out so well. Here goes round 2.

        • Don’t Text and Drive

          Actually, there’s a reason you are posting on these blogs and not working in strategy for a major phone co. or manufacturer. I don’t think you understand the complexity of these decisions. Nokia is simply taking a calculated risk. Obviously they prefer a sure thing that is going exclusive with AT&T, than pleasing know nothing bloggers that are pissed they won’t be able to get a subsidized Nokia 920. Even if they hadn’t gone exclusive you would have complained and perhaps not purchased the 920 at the higher price T-Mobile would offer it at given the new trend of offering lower subsidies on TMO phones.

        • g2a5b0e

          No, I wouldn’t have complained. I have no serious interest in Nokia or the Windows Phone OS when it comes to purchasing. But, thanks for telling me what I would have done though. I was simply questioning a market strategy that made little sense to me. You’re right. I may not fully understand business strategy when it comes to working for a major phone company, but that doesn’t necessarily mean the guys doing it are particularly great at it either. Nokia’s market share wouldn’t necessarily be as low as it is now if they knew exactly what they were doing.

      • GinaDee

        Correction: AT&T Corp has more money than Verizon.

        • g2a5b0e

          I was unaware. Thank you.

      • Get_at_Me

        Thank you!!!!!

    • 21stNow

      So, no Apple, HTC, Samsung, or Nokia products for you. I hope that you are an LG, Huawei or ZTE fan, because you don’t have many choices left.

      • archerian

        How is Samsung in this list? They usually offer their flagship phones on all networks, there might be slight differences due to chipset/LTE limitations

        • 21stNow

          The first Note was an AT&T exclusive for six months. With the limited release on T-Mobile, it was almost a complete exclusive for AT&T.

        • archerian

          The first Note (SGH-I717) didn’t have AWS or CDMA bands, so there was no point in offering it on any carrier except ATT. Samsung also had their (at that time) top of the line SGS2 on all networks at that time.

        • 21stNow

          That doesn’t change the fact that the first Note was an exclusive to AT&T. The lack of AWS or CDMA bands applied to many phones that were AT&T exclusives at one point in time such as the first four iPhones or the Nokia Lumia 900. Samsung stays on my list of OEMs that dethduck would have to avoid.

        • archerian

          My point is the initial Note wasn’t exclusive to ATT due to a deal or arrangement, its inherent technology prevented it from running on other US networks. The other phones you mentioned are from Apple and Nokia, not Samsung, I don’t see what you are trying to say by mentioning they were exclusive, we are talking about Samsung.

        • 21stNow

          AT&T marketed the first Note as an exclusive device, and it was one of the reasons that AT&T wouldn’t unlock the first Note (even though that probably wasn’t the real reason). T-Mobile started selling the first Note six months after AT&T did, which indicates a six-month exclusivity deal.

          The question for you is if the first Note wasn’t exclusive to AT&T, why did Samsung wait six months to build a Note with AWS bands? Why didn’t Samsung build one with AWS bands from the start? Obviously, Samsung had the ability to do so.

        • archerian

          As I mentioned earlier, it was due to the chipset. The ATT Note (SGH-I717) was build with the Snapdragon MSM8660 which had the common UMTS Bands. This SoC didn’t support T-mobile’s 42Mbps DC-HSPA+ network, so they had to build a new Note, combine the radioless APQ8060 with MDM8220 to enable full speeds. To answer your question, yes, they could have built a Note with AWS from the start, but it wouldn’t be able to do LTE and T-mobile’s 42Mbps DC-HSPA+, and no one would want a Note that didn’t run at 42Mbps on T-mobile. So if you had to pick one, would you not pick the larger network and larger audience? The same Note was also launched in Canada. Afterwards, they made a separate device for a less commonly used network configuration. This is also the same configuration used by the T-mobile SGS2, it is actually quite different from other SGS2. When a popular device like the Note is launched, they start with the world’s commonly used bands, and they can add AWS too, but in this particular case, the same chipset just couldn’t support LTE and DC-HSPA+. Exclusivity is moot as even if it was available unlocked, it would run like an iPhone on T-mobile.

        • 21stNow

          None of what you’re saying means that the first Note wasn’t an AT&T exclusive. There have been several phones before and after the first Note that launched on all carriers around the same time.

          Obviously, people did want a Note that would even run on just EDGE speeds on T-Mobile, as there were several people that bought an international Note to use on T-Mobile.

          When the term “exclusive” is used, it means within that country or service area. The fact that it launched in Canada doesn’t change AT&T’s exclusive status.

        • archerian

          you’re simply typing something without reading what I have been saying.. my first statement was Samsung typically releases devices for all operators unless there is a chipset/LTE incompatibility. This is what happened in the Note 1’s case. It was an exclusive to ATT due to the fact that its radio didn’t support optimum speeds on other networks.

          Obviously just like an iPhone, some people loved the device and would buy it regardless to use on EDGE or even Wi-Fi, but a carrier would not sell it if it didn’t support its full speeds, as it would mean one of their flagships didn’t take advantage of the full speeds offered by the network. I don’t see the reason for you to mention it was used in EGDE by certain people, it doesn’t add to any point you’re trying to make.

          When I said the same device was launched in Canada, in that context I meant the same device had to run on other operators in North America too, so they had to pick that particular chipset that supported maximum compatibility. You are just reading a random sentence and giving it meaning of your own.

          Another thing you mentioned which might not be related to the main topic of discussion here, there have been several phones before the Note that launched on all carriers, how many such phones launched across all carriers ran on the T-mobile 42Mbps network? Having a device work on DC-HSPA+ and LTE/other networks was not an easy task a year ago.

        • 21stNow

          You’re right; the first Note was not an exclusive device to AT&T. I add Samsung back to the list of OEMs that dethduck can buy from.

  • This is exactly why Microsoft is backing HTC the way that they are and calling them the premiere windows phone partner.
    Nokia is not about the growth of Windows Phone. They want people to care more about “Lumia” as a brand.
    I was thinking about buying this GSM unlocked, but screw that, HTC will be getting my money this time around.

  • Coolgeek

    No biggie – once the Network refarming is completed in my service area, I’ll just buy it unlocked at full retail. Yay options!

    • jay_max

      Will buying it unlocked even be an option?

      • FCNYC

        should be able to get it on Amazon unlocked and value plan will make up the cost.

        • jay_max

          I understand that part, already being on a value plan. I guess my question is, if AT&T has an exclusivity agreement, will an unlocked version even be available? Most unlocked versions of the 710 (of which I just bought one) on amazon were international variants, not fully spectrum-compatible with TMO here in the US.

        • archerian

          Tmobile sells the Lumia 710, you didn’t have to buy the international version if you wanted service in the AWS band, you could have bought it via Tmobile’s prepaid offering

        • The_Guest_Who

          But that’s not jay_max’s point – If I were to buy a Lumia 710 via T-Mo’s prepaid, it would still be subsidy (SIM) locked and need T-Mobile’s help in order to unlock it; if my situation changes (moving to a non-T-Mo area, signal degrades, price plan changes), then I’m still tied to T-Mo… and obligated to fulfill certain requirements in order to request an unlock code.

          According to Nokia’s UK site, the int’l variant of the 920 looks like it’ll support WCDMA 1700/1900/2100 and LTE 1700… making a good candidate for T-Mo’s networks going forward. Question is, when will it be available (does AT&T get it months before everyone else?) and how much will it cost (imports are almost always a significant premium over local options)?

          These “exclusivity” arrangements suck, and will only hurt Nokia when it really can’t take much more pain. Buying the 920 from AT&T still leaves you with a carrier-branded device, and at their mercy to unlock it… and it’s in AT&T’s best interest to force you onto their service before they offer to unlock for you.

        • archerian

          yes, that’s true it will be SIM locked, however if you buy a phone at full price from T-mobile (even prepaid) you can call/fax them the receipt/IMEI and they will email you the unlock code, it takes a few days but they will do it (depends on device). You don’t even need to be an active customer if you paid full price, jay_max seems to be on T-mobile, at least for now and long enough for him to unlock it. The other advantage of buying the 710 from T-mobile (I bought one early this year) is its cheaper than buying new elsewhere.

  • Guest

    FUDGE I wanted that phone! Maybe T-Mobile will get the Samsung ATIV S

  • rfgenerator

    Welcome to the world of corporate duopolies. AT&T and Verizon can basically call the shots. More reason I think the newcompany will end up being niche player specializing in low to midrange phones with a 2nd tier network.

  • TheCudder

    The majority of the AT&T customer base is there simply because of the iPhone, so why would you make your flagship device exclusive to a company whose focus is your biggest competitor? Smarten up Nokia. The HTC handsets weren’t no threat and you just screwed up the one device that could have truely revived the company.

    • 21stNow

      AT&T has around 100 million customers and last I checked, less than 20 million of them were iPhone users. That’s not a majority.

      • MisterBlue

        The majority of smartphone sales are iphones. That’s the segment the 920 is competing in.

        • 21stNow

          This part is my opinion, so I’m not arguing with you. I don’t think that Windows Phone only competes for customers among current smartphone owners. Windows Phone appeals largely to three groups of people: those that don’t like Android and iOS (smallest number), those that are tired of waiting for a new BlackBerry (small number) and those that have not tried a smartphone yet (larger number).

          The lack of apps won’t bother those that have never had a smartphone before. Also, Windows Phone 8 offers the (soon-to-be) familiarity with Windows 8 on a PC.

          Besides, TheCudder didn’t limit his/her first sentence to smartphone users.

        • TheCudder

          People that aren’t using smartphones aren’t cross shopping iOS, Andorid, BBOS & WP….that’s detail is an obvious given. They other chunk of mobile device users just want a “phone”. So that would be a non-factor in this my statement.

        • 21stNow

          I disagree with you on the cross-shopping statement. Even if those customers come into a store to upgrade their handset and know that they want a smartphone but are clueless as to the platforms and their differences, they usually start asking the sales rep questions on why this phone is better than that phone. I’ve heard some long conversations in stores between people who had only heard the name Android mentioned in passing and sales reps. They eventually go into “well, what makes this phone better than the one that you first showed me? Can I check Facebook and email on both of them?” Some AT&T sales reps will go on to recommend Windows Phone in those situations because they know that this type of customer won’t miss all of the customization of Android or integration of iOS.

          We can agree to disagree on this, but I think that the Windows Phone market is bigger than current smartphone customers.

        • Gunnar Ã…ström

          Huh? Can you rewrite this in English? It doesn’t make sense at all and I suspect it’s bc it’s so poorly written. The fact remains, a majority of AT&T’s +100 million customers aren’t using an iphone, obviouly you misspoke or simply over exaggerated a simple fact, why?

      • theking_13

        Compared to all other smart phone owners?

        Also, people with upgrades to new lines that have WP are looking at other options, mainly Androids like the Galaxy S3 and guess what, iPhones.

        Not because the iPhone is the best phone on the market, but because WP7 and iOS are both smooth, easy to use, but iOS actually has apps and games that appeal to people.

        And no, xbox live is a gimmick on WP, just like Game Center is on the iPhone, its not a real incentive to get a particular phone.

    • CJ

      I remember an Interview by the AT&T CEO that said they made a better profit off of WP then Iphones.

  • Ryan Light

    It’s sad that Nokia can’t see the forest from the trees. Right now, in North America, they can’t really afford exclusivity deals on a flagship property. The Nokia 920 may have done well for them on all carriers. I guess the public will never really know what Elop was thinking until he tells his next potential employer in his next job interview what the errant thinking was all about.

  • ceegii63

    wow another great PHONE lost from Tmo not giving a RATS ASS about its customers, No iPhone, No Optimus G, No HTC One X+ while shoving that Samsung Relay crap down our throats

    • Chris

      lol, first you guys complain about network coverage. then T-mo spends money on building and improving its network. Therefore losing money in trying to persuade phone manufacturers to get some exclusive deals. Then you complain about not having an exclusive phone. Somehow I think most t-mo customers just like to complain.

      Here’s a solution:
      T-mo has to raise their plan prices in accordance to other carrier to raise money for either a phone exclusivity and network improvement. – But hey, people will complain “ugh, i’m getting ripped off.”

      Seriously, get your priority straight. There are still a bunch of other WP8 devices coming in the future and there are also great Android devices T-mo offers.

      If you don’t like it so much, then move to AT&T.

      I hate it when people complain and never take action of what it is they’re complaining about. Instead you blame it on a company that’s basically trying to focus on what its consumers want whenever it can.

      • Carloslacend

        Agree with you. Although I think tmo will raise prices of their services because they are not going to invest nearly 6 billion and have the most advanced LTE network and billing so cheap. So keep dreaming of your internet “unlimited” and their bills cheaper. That will not last long. Once everything is finished the bill will be equal or higher than AT&T and Verizon. And many whiners will complain how they do with all that tmo does.

        • TMOLOYAL

          Not necessarily. A couple of years ago T-Mobile had the fastest network with their HSPA+42 and they were still the cheapest or at least lower that the big two.

        • Carloslacend

          A few years? Tmo is still the best HSPA + network. But tmo does not have LTE and its coverage is weak in many places. So lose thousands of customers. And if you add 70% of their phones are low-end. Now within 2-3 years if everything goes as planned and if they still exist, they will have the best LTE network in the nation, the best coverage and finally 75% are high-end phones. You think with all that cheap billing will follow? I do not think. Anyone who does business invests $ $ to get the triple profit. And you do not get that with $ 30 bills.

        • Derrick Ford

          Wake the hell up. Tmo has the Galaxy S III and soon the Note II… What the hell are you talking about. …”70 % of the phones are low-end” You are on crack! The S III and Note II are better than the damn Iphone 5!!! I will also help you by suggesting you count the Tmobile user base after the MetroPCS take over.

        • Guest911

          Derrick – Drop out of high school before the basic stats class?

        • Carloslacend

          I never said anything about the iphone. Apart from SGS2, SGS3 and tell me another note Galaxy high-end device has tmo.

        • Carloslacend

          I never said anything about the iphone. Apart from SGS2, SGS3 and the note Tell me another high-end device has tmo.

        • TMOLOYAL

          I said they had the fastest network, not just the fastest HSPA+ network. Once Verizon started launching LTE they bypassed them.

          I will give you that as long as everything goes as planned they will once again have the fastest network, however I find it very hard to believe that T-Mobile will have the best coverage anytime in my lifetime. They are spending all of their money on adding speed not widening their footprint. That fact will force them to offer a lower price vs the competition.

          You can be the fastest in every city, but if you drop to Edge or GPRS 10-20 miles outside of the city you can’t be expensive too.

    • dethduck

      Manufacturers agreeing to give another carrier exclusivity deals has absolutely nothing to do with T-Mobile giving or not giving a “RATS ASS” about it’s customers. They have no part in that decision, the manufacturers do. It has more to do with companies twice as large as T-Mobile through their monopolistic anti-competitive behaviours throwing bucketloads of cash that T-Mobile, being a smaller company here in the states, cannot offer, at greedy manufacturers with the empty promise of profits while in reality said manufacturers limit themselves from profits they could have made by not sucking on AT&T’s teats.

      • TheSchwartz

        Exactly. I’m sure T-Mo would love to offer some great exclusive phones, but no OEM is going to release a flagship device and handcuff themselves to the smallest national carrier in the country.

        It’s all about money. Selling and marketing phones costs money. Apple has piles of cash with which to market the iPhone. Samsung has money for marketing the GSIII. Other OEMs don’t have deep pockets with big marketing budgets, so they lock their phones into a carrier and hand over the marketing to that carrier. T-Mo definitely cares about customers, but as dethduck points out, T-Mo can’t really compete against the big boys at the table.

        • TheCudder

          The L920 doesn’t need to be a T-Mobile exclusive…this phone simply should have been made available to T-Mobile, Verizon, Sprint & AT&T. This phone would have been a major success if this happened. Now it has a largely increased chance of failure. Nokia has made one of the biggest mistakes it could have possibly made.

  • dethduck

    It’s humorous that the two companies that have been struggling the most over the last year are the very two companies shooting themselves in the foot with these exclusivity deals. R.I.P. HTC and Nokia.

    • g2a5b0e

      I completely agree. It’s almost as if they want to fail.

    • guest

      I think that’s the whole point…. They have no idea what they are doing and thus continuing to make boneheaded mistakes like selling their products to only one US cell carrier. Two huge companies now swirling down the drain.

    • archerian

      The exclusivity deals offer not only a better profit sharing, but better product placement for devices. If you walked into an ATT store after the Lumia 900 launched, the sales folks were pushing it instead of the iphone, even in places with no LTE service. Even with no extra exclusivity money, I’m sure Nokia would have done the math and figured that it has better chances of selling more units by having the 100 million customer operator push your device and sell it would be better than having the 33 million Android centric operator sell it.

      • Noel

        Wrong analysis…most ppl know what they want in terms of devices and even if they don’t,.. how many Lumia 920’s can a sales person push customers to buy in an environment with the iPhone 5, high-end Android devices like the GS3, One X+, Optimus G etc and other competing Windows 8 devices from HTC, Samsung, Huawei, etc??? The bottom line is exclusives stunt sales and prevent the wide availability of said device in the hands of the masses, that is why Samsung and Apple have moved away from the exclusive model. Seems HTC and Nokia haven’t learnt from this and they will pay the price. I love both company’s that is why it pains me to see them fighting this cellular battle with one hand tied or in the case of HTC constantly shooting themselves on the foot with DUMB EXCLUSIVES and OMISSION OF KEY SPECS or specs not on par with their competition like Samsung in marquee devices. The newly announced One X+ does a better job addressing some of that but they still have more to do in terms of SPECS THE MASSES are looking for on flagship devices.

        • g2a5b0e

          My point exactly. You nailed it.

        • archerian

          “most ppl know what they want in terms of devices” – that sounds more like an opinion, is that backed by facts? If that were the case, we would not need sales people in any mobile store. I’m sure you are tech savvy enough to know what you want with device, specs and OS, but that’s not the case with most people, especially first-time smart phone buyers, who still are a significant market. They rely on opinions, and what they see, hear and touch in the store.

          Even if the above statement you made was true, this is why Nokia needs the sales advantage via the exclusivity – they need people who are decided for one device or undecided to come into the store and see the new ecosystem, and what better way than have the people in the store peddle your wares? I am not saying the Lumia is the best phone of the lot although it stacks very well against them, but when very few people know about your device and OS, it always helps when the sales folk actively support your device. This support will definitely not meet iPhone 5 demands, but it can help convince a buyer to move from an HTC or LG to Lumia 920.

          Exclusivity might be a limitation to sales if enough people know about your device, and it has enough critical mass on its own to sell. But when you’re selling a device line and OS that it relatively less known, it makes sense to get maximum carrier support, even if it means signing up to an exclusivity. This is the second time Nokia is doing it, if they didn’t figure something out last time, they wouldn’t be doing this again.

        • philyew

          Having given this some thought, I agree that Nokia have worked out that this is a better option, but I think the other carriers may have had some influence on this after all. Does the following make any sense?

          1) We know the 920 comes with a high price tag, based on European pricing.

          2) Since both Nokia and Windows phones represent a tiny market share (4% or less currently), the potential for high volume sales doesn’t exist. As a result, nor does the potential for significant volume discounts on wholesale prices.

          3) We know from Samsung’s sales and revenue data disclosed in the iPhone trial that TM, for example, spend around $230-240/unit subsidizing their current #1 Samsung product. That level of subsidy would not come close to offering an attractively priced 920. It’s likely that there would be similar challenges for the other carriers’ subsidy strategies in an open market. Apple can get away with more expensive unit prices because of the volumes that they command.

          4) What would make this attractive for a single carrier would be the promise that it would draw customers from the other carriers who were determined to have the top shelf Windows product. The numbers might not be large, but the arrival of a modest number of new contract customers would justify AT&T providing a higher level of subsidy than they might otherwise do, since their profit is otherwise maximized from new customers.

          5) Only AT&T and Verizon have sufficiently large customer bases to make this kind of deal work at this kind of price.

          6) Exclusivity will reduce overall sales volumes, but will allow Nokia to maintain a single production line thus minimizing operational costs.

          If there had been a warmer reception from even one other carrier to Nokia’s asking price, the exclusive deal would probably not have been possible.

  • TMO screwed again. Oh well…

  • Noel

    Wow! Seems like Att is making it a strategy to dish out cash to these OEMs for marquee devices and keep them out of Tmo’s showrooms. So what is Tmo doing abt it? They can’t even get the flagship LG Optimus G, instead they are going for the mid-range LG Optimus L9. C’mon Tmo i will expect u guys to go for all the top of the line Android flagship devices since u don’t officially carry the iPhone. Big let down..since we can’t get the One X+ or even the Optimus G, all i am left with now is the upcoming Nexus.

  • Terry

    Nokia is hardly in a position to be picky at the dance, Nokia should be getting in bed with everyone at this point.

    Nokia, and Windows phone success largely depends on many of us being simply curious to try something different. I was curious to try a Windows phone, and the 920 is a very compelling device, particularly the camera, but it isn’t so compelling that they will see millions of people switching carriers to get it in the same way that ATT say with the Iphone years ago. Big mistake for Microsoft and Nokia.

  • Noel

    Love Tmo but it is shameful not to be able to deliver these devices to their loyal hungry for marquee Android devices fans. Booooooooo Tmo.

  • oktoberrust

    Bummer. Well, that seals it, 8X for me!

    • gwhyte01

      8x All the way. wish they had the two toned colors on the 8x like the 8s tho.

  • gwhyte01

    I don’t understand why ppl are blaming tmo. It’s nokia and att who have the deal. Think about it, not even the almighty verizon is getting it. This was a dumb move by nokia. Microsoft is also to be blamed in this case, because they know they have the power to nudge elop on the side and say hey, we’re trying to build something here release the phone everywhere, so we’ll have more options, make some more money, and increase our marketshare. Yet they let nokia and a t & thief have exclusivity with, if not, one of the hottest phone to date. Money talks i guess.

  • Metal Maniac

    This should be no surprise to anyone paying full attention. At&t carried the 900, so getting the 920 makes perfect sense because it gives there customers another direct chance to upgrade to the newer model. Same case with the Htc One X, and now they will get the One X Plus. It makes sense because AT&T received the original versions of these phones. Im sure T mobile will probably get the 820 as an obvious upgrade to the 710. We will have get the Htc 8x and 8s and they both appear to be as good if not better that the 900 and 920. I am personally disappointed that T mobile doesn’t have enough choices now in terms of high end choices.

    • PiCASSiMO

      Yeah… 900 was available April 2012… the 920 will be available in November 2012. 7-months later, do you think people are going to extend their 24-month contracts and spend full price to upgrade their existing phones? Don’t think so.

      • 21stNow

        Yeah, all 10 of us that bought the Lumia 900 are still too mad at AT&T for not unlocking it for us. ; )

        You’re right, Nokia phones don’t have that cult-like following that Apple’s phones do, where current owners have to get the latest model just because it is released.

    • acerbic

      It makes perfect sense to let AT&T strangle and bury the 920 just like they did the 900. Right.

  • bluechrism

    The Lumia 820 is also an AT&T exclusive

  • BlackJu

    Seriously, I don’t understand the strategy here. How does it benefit Nokia
    to go exclusive with ATT, presumably through the holiday season? Is ATT
    covering the marketing costs in hopes of weening itself off the high royalties
    it pays for every iPhone?

    What I do understand now is why HTC is the favorite child. MS needs exposure.
    Obviously, this is not a goal shared with Nokia. I think Nokia was once the
    favorite, and when Nokia made its intentions known, MS decided to build a phone
    and buddy up with HTC in the meantime.

    Still, I’m probably not going to ATT. I’m too cheap. And I’m not getting
    another HTC POS. This strategy has pushed me into making a decision I didn’t
    think I would make. I’m going to keep my Radar until my contract expires, buy a
    phone secondhand, and see if I can switch to their BYO
    phone plan. I’m sick of being on the subsidized phone teet

  • ceegii63

    hopefully because of the LTE Ruling these ATT 920s are unlocked like the iPhone 5s ready for Tmo use, well a nerd can dream right?

    • 21stNow

      The ruling only affect Verizon Wireless because they bought spectrum in which part of the transaction’s stipulations were that LTE phones had to be sold unlocked from VZW. AT&T did not buy any spectrum with this restriction.

      • ceegii63

        so why are the iPhone 5s on ATT unlockable via iTunes Restore?

        • 21stNow

          As to the why for the AT&T iPhone 5, I don’t know. I was speaking to the fact that all VZW LTE phones have to be unlocked. AT&T is under no such restriction.

  • Fish

    Since it’s got all those bands will an unlocked 920 work on tmo’s 4g?

    • archerian

      No, it doesn’t have the AWS band required for tmo’s 4G.. if you’re in an area that has done refarming, then it should work

  • Kevin0880

    T-Mobile are for budget minded consumers. Did you really expect to have all the best phones? Go to At&t or Verizon if you want to have the latest and greatest.

    • acerbic

      Budget minded actually means avoiding being ripped off and nickle-and-dimed every month, not wanting cheap, crappy phones.

  • cdtofer

    Lame, lame, lame. IDK what Nokia is thinking. They need more people in the US with Nokia phones and making an exclusive deal with one carrier is not going to get them there. This is the phone I wanted but I am not going to go to AT&T for it.

    Hope the new Nexus devices are interesting…

  • Marc OKelly

    This is why Nokia sucks

  • kev2684

    AT&T exclusive. what a surprise!

  • thegeeknme

    uggg… how frustrating… i was so excited too…. maybe it’ll only be a 90day exclusivity(sp) of sorts…. too bad as I really love Nokia hardware… but given this, and my wifes ‘love’ for her hd7 and how well it’s held up the last year or so… I’d be more likely to get the HTC 8X than ‘wait’ for the 920… bummer

  • Bad news for Windows phone. How the hell does the Window OS plan on getting ahead if their best device is locked down to just one US Carrier? Dumb, dumb, dumb, they should have forced Nokia into putting that device into all US Carriers much like the SGS3 did. If that isn’t the model for success nothing is. It is very obvious that Nokia made a deal with the devil (AT&T) this will come back to bite them in the ass. They will have a hard enough time to sell the new Windows phone with all the new products making it to market in the next few months. Bad move on Windows, did not plan ahead. Nokia and Windows better get on the same team or this venture is going to go down hill.

  • Todd_the_Hunn

    Well it is in big print that the Lumia 820 is going to AT&T . That would be extremely stupid to put that info on their website if that isn’t true seeing they would not only be handicapping themselves but advertising it as well . My guess is the 820 will be exclusive but for a short time then go to other carriers .

    LOL . Maybe Nokia thought the 820 was to upscale for TMO customers . We will get exclusive rights to the 720 like the 710 we have now or maybe the rotary dial 620 .

  • i don’t think this is a shock to anyone. did TMO receive the 900? nope. although there were plans for it ultimately they never got it and i didn’t expect the 920 either. Nokia is ATT’s beyotch for lack of a better word. lol

    in other news all this confusion is the result when you fail at launching a device with no pricing, no date, no nothing .. this bungle of a mess with exclusive confusion is a direct result of the stupid launch plans around Windows Phone .. 5 damn events to announce a price and date . unbelievable.

  • Nicole m

    I’m really not surprised with this decision. So I already had my mind on the Htc 8x because I’ve liked their brand. Plus I like the beats audio since my phone is my substitute mp3 player.

  • Why the hell do manufacturers do this crap???!!!?? It’s so damn frustrating. They are reducing their potential customer base hugely by making these phone exclusives to AT&T. Don’t get me wrong I don’t blame ATT (or other carriers for going after these exclusive deals –afterall it makes good business sense) but this makes ZERO sense for manufacturers.

    This particular exclusive doesn’t really affect me because I have only a passing interest in Windows Phone, but this is just the latest in a string of examples of AT&T locking up exclusive high-end phones and it’s about damn time it stopped.

  • GwapoAko

    Just buy this from Expansys or Att unlocked :0)

  • dhotiram

    Well. They’ll be selling one less 920 because I’m not buying it unless it comes on TMO. And I’m sure there are many like me who feel the same way.

  • Derrick Ford

    Screw the 920 No!!! Nokia your dumb asses need to release the 930 (the one with the MicroSD) to Tmo and the Rest to make up for this HUGE MISTAKE!!!

  • Napster87

    looks like htc will be getting my money if i decide to switch to wp8 which i might. i’m liking what i see.

  • Eduardo

    It’s very disappointing. I’m so tired of asian design & android – Samsung, HTC, ZTE, Huawei – they are so ugly that it is really hard to want to buy them. Very sad :(

    • aswang

      buy motorola :(

  • AT&T can suck it!

    Nokia needs all US carriers to make a go of it.

  • nd5

    Microsoft, Nokia and HTC are all messing it up. Nokia needs to sell phones, so let’s make an exclusive deal with one carrier, brilliant. HTC needs to sell phones, so lets make the same mistakes we made with the one series, no SD card support, brilliant. Microsoft needs to drive the growth of WP8. So let’s let Nokia and HTC do exactly the kind of boneheaded things I’ve just described above, brilliant/

  • Alan b

    Talk about shoot yourself in the foot, again…..smh. You are already way behind android and ios,How do you expect to penetrate the market if you’re limiting yourself to one carrier.

  • TheCudder

    well the 820 product page no longer contains the word “exclusively”…now remove it from the 920 page!

  • archerian

    The Lumia 920 never had AWS, this itself should have been an indicator that it was not destined for T-mobile natively

  • Giraffe

    Nokia’s site doesn’t say 820 exclusive, though it does say AT&T… perhaps we’ll get it after a certain time?

    Or this is just me being unusually hopeful.

    • They removed it as of early this morning, it did yesterday.

  • John doe

    Nokia Nokia…… When will you learn, I actually won whichever one tmobile was going to get thru a contest looks like it’s the 820 and it looks like I will be selling it and buying either the HTC or Samsung windows 8.

  • The number of people who would change carriers over a phone isn’t worth the exclusive deal. Nokia isn’t in a position, where they can afford to take those kind of risks.

  • Welp, I’m not bothered. The HTC 8X looks like a Wonderful Windows 8 device, I will surely continue to keep sleeping well at night.

  • Whiskers

    I’ll wait for the Samsung WP8 phone , i’ll bet the specs on that one will be awesome.

  • Perry_F

    Stupid move on Nokia’s part. With windows having only 4%
    market share you figure the key to turning the platform around is getting the
    top windows phone into as MANY hands as possible. Limiting it to AT&T will
    hurt. Especially since AT&T has a ton of new android phones coming out PLUS
    they will also carry the HTC line of windows phones and lets not forget they
    also carry that other phone…the iphone5!

    This could be the end of Nokia as we know it and I’m betting
    if they don’t sell a boatload of phones on AT&T, and they probably won’t,
    then their CEO Elop is as good as gone. No wonder MS gave the HTC 8X the “signature”
    device status. That one will be on 3 of the top 4 carriers.

    I’m all for competition but the truth is there is a limit to
    how much $$ MS will invest in its phone platform. If windows phone doesn’t do
    well and at the very least gain several points in marketshare then in all likelihood
    MS will cut its losses and pull the plug on the whole thing. MS has other $$
    making options, Nokia not so much unless they relent and go with android which
    in the end might be their only resort.

  • dolittledy

    T mobile is getting the Nokia 810.

  • Flyincloud

    Maybe Nokia isn’t confident in their product, so they are taking the quick and easy money and lower their initial risk.

  • Get_at_Me

    Apple and Samsung are the titans of the industry right now. Why? Because they make their best products available to multiple carriers/customers. Att seems to be getting every hott device under the sun these days. Great options for att customers, but as a single oem, id hate that. With every oem pushing their product in retail stores, options can become overwhelming for customers which imo could decrease the likely success of amy particular product. How will the 920 fare against the gs3, ip5, one x+, optimus g, htc 8x, note 2 and whatever other high profile device is available. One could make a case that att has too much going on in the phone choice dept. With all those options/competition id want to stay away from att as an oem. Tmo would be alot more attractive right now as they dont have every oem known to man pushing its product.

  • I’m going to get the Cyan 920 and unlock it to go on my value plan, hopefully the re-farm comes to my area soon, Tmo seems to move slow with network changes in the places I end up.

  • Vu

    i wonder how much is att paying to get these exclusives deals? one x, one x+, now the 920…..

  • I was really thinking about the Lumia 920 but Nokia going with AT&T as exclusive carrier has really turned me off toward the phone and the company. I wonder how many people feel the same way.

    IMO: Nokia did not make a smart decision.

  • $31289116

    That just about killed my love for Nokia. I’m not even going to bother with the 808.