So What Do I Think Project Emerald Is?

In the recent days, weeks and months, I have seen the name “Project Emerald” tossed around to almost every single smartphone that T-Mobile might get.  At this point, I have to say I’m a little frustrated with how frequently and how loosely it’s being used.  To that end, the name itself has almost lost its luster in my eyes because of the guessing game being played hoping to nail the story.  When we first got word of a “Project Emerald”, we were almost positive, or at least our source was positive, it was a Sidekick-like replacement, possibly with Android.  In recent days, we’ve seen it addressed as any number of upcoming T-Mobile phones and watched our comment section fill up with other, often far-reaching theories.  So what do we think Project Emerald is now?  Is it a device or a rocketship?

You’ll have to bear with us as it’s likely some of you will think our connection here is rather thin.  Rest assured I wouldn’t run this without doing at least a little fact checking of my own. We’re going with the idea that Project Emerald is simply the HTC Emerald aka the myTouch HD.  Why are we saying this?  Simple, the use of codenames.  The original myTouch3G was codenamed Sapphire, a precious gem.  The codename for the myTouch HD is “Emerald”.  While to some of you it’s thin, very thin, and you’ll doubt it right from the get go, according to our source the use of precious gems is no coincidence.  The Shubert, as far as Windows 7 Phones go, will be the HTC Mozart, classical composers.  Like I said, reaching.  So I know we’re stretching here and it’s always-possible information is delivered wrong, sources give bad information or things change internally but I tend to think we’re right.

So what do we know?

HTC Emerald = myTouch HD.

The HTC Vanguard/Vision will be named the T-Mobile G2 with Google according to one of our sources.  Another stated it would simply be called the T-Mobile G2. Apparently G1 Blaze is out and was just an internal codename.  It is our belief that judging by the roadmap that thus far has looked very accurate, the T-Mobile G2 will deliver itself sometime in the middle of September.  Of course, it’s odd that as of now we haven’t received much in the way of tips regarding it save for the few shaky images that have made their way to the interwebs.  Still, we’re still looking for a September 9th launch.

But, hey, we wouldn’t leave you without some information on the myTouch HD now, would we?  One of our sources apparently had some hands on time today and came back with one very important piece of information.  According to him, as the phone stands right now, there will be a Front Facing Camera.  The screen itself is bigger than the N1 and noticeably so but definitely not 4.3 inches.  The phone itself runs the same espresso sense as the myTouch Slide though we didn’t get word on what version of Android.

P.S.  That Sidekick theory that started all this Project Emerald mess?  Pushed back to 2011.

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  • Davidohio

    Why are you on prepaid paying $1 per hour for data? Just get a no contract even more plus plan with unlimited data. If I ever did prepaid i would do simple mobile. They use t-mobile’s network and have unlimited talk text and data for $60 per month. If you are curious go to http://www.mysimplemobile.com It is a better deal than the $80 unlimited everything even more plus plan.

  • bob

    at first we thought the g1 blaze or g2 was a single core 800mhz processor but after further review its actually 2 dual core processors. Very very speedy phone in and out applications and running programs. Its a great phone.

    • Steven

      This would be amazing if true. But where did you hear this?

    • That Guy

      Nope, only has one processor. 800 MHz.

      • J-Hop2o6

        u mean single(1)-core

      • Reece

        never seen anything that confirms this.. 800mhz single-core would be a step back, not a HTC tradition,

        most importantly anything that’s HSPA+ is almost a dead giveaway for dual core since support for that is built RIGHT INTO THESE DUAL CORE SNAPDRAGONS! Something that everybody is missing

      • Steven

        Well I don’t know, but a dual core 800mhz processor would be great.

  • NokiaN900User

    Lets forget the word Emerald for a second and look at some facts:
    1.) AT&T will be the first to launch WinMo 7 device in USA after it’s out already in Europe. AT&T came out and said that and I believe them. They are also getting a Samsung WinMo 7 device with SAMOLED. This makes me think AT&T will release their WinMo 7 device in October. This fits right for T-mobile to release only 2 WinMo 7 phones (1 HTC and 1 LG) in November. Got this from roadmap and different rumor sites.

    2.) HTC has an unveiling event on September 15 which seems to be a phone. Could it be an Android one or WinMo 7 device? My BET is on a WinMo 7 device.

    3.) Motorola has not released any android smartphones on T-mobile since the MotoBlur P.O.S slider and cliq XT. This makes me to believe the rumor that has 2 motorola phones with android (one slider and one touchscreen only) coming to T-Mobile in November.

    So I believe most folks on this comments section about phones coming out which are

    1 Android 2.2 HTC Slider (successor to G1)
    1 Android 2.2 HTC touchscreen only (My touch HD)
    1 Android 2.2 Motorola slider with ninja blur
    1 Android 2.2 Motorola touchscreen only
    1 Android 2.2 LG with still unknown form factor

    Notice there are FIVE android phones with only 2.2 that I think will be upgradeable to 3.0.

    1 LG WinMo 7 Slider phone
    1 HTC winMo 7 touchscreen only phone

    Note: Since all or most of these phones will be HSPA+, My conclusion is PROJECT EMERALD is about LAUNCHING HSPA+ phones. There you have it folks.

    • phonegeek

      That alongside with davids post actually made sense

    • jaythe01

      Thats what it is….trust me i know im playing with one such phone right now. it will be worth it. VZ isnt the only one getting some serious toys….

      • TMOprophet

        Well I hope the myTouch is not your idea of a serious toy, The Dual Core Glacier would be more like it.

        Cause if so, I think Verizon will be getting tons of seriously pissed customers switching to them from TMO.

        And if you have one such phone..care to elaborate? The info going around is intentionally being twisted around to make it harder to discern. I am trying to keep my perspective on things so if you have insight on this, please share.

  • WXman
    • ob18

      don’t they all at somepoint or another.

  • Barry

    I’m soooooooo tired of speculating and guessing. So the Desire HD/Ace is not the MyTouch HD? Eh that’s kinda disappointing so where does the glacier fit in? Or is that a witch hunt? Just thought it would materialize into something since it was rumored a T-Mobile employee was supposedly testing it.

  • Sikety

    My theory is that it will consist of many things that will help T-Mobile gain more family plan customers.

    -Launch of new HSPA+ Devices
    -Ability to add up to 10 lines on a family plan instead of 5.
    -Flat rate family data plans (like family unlimited messaging)
    -New installment plans (10 months instead of 4?)

  • alex

    Hopefully htc glacier=mytouch hd with 3.7-4.0

  • Barry

    yea but the specs don’t match up as to what was reported with the glacier and what their source is reporting that it’s bigger than a nexus but not 4.3″ and the glacier was said to be 4.3″ which is the form factor I was looking for…oh well just wait and see what happens.

  • Connor

    Don’t really like the Espresso UI, but it sounds like a good phone.

  • Homer

    Very happy I am leaving t-mobile, my contract is up at the end of this month. Kinda getting tired of this phone bull. Company gets a discount through verizon and sprint so either evo, droid 2 or droid x.

  • ZSearce

    I pray this is inaccurate. I want Project Emerald to be another Vanilla Android device. If they give me Espresso crap, Sense crap, Motoblur crap, or even NinjaBlur/New Motorola skin, I will swap. T-mobile is less convincing everyday. I just want a high-end vanilla android phone. With a FFC. Please.

    • TMOprophet

      I think the story is..and don’t count on a vanilla phone anytime soon from HTC and TMO, I just dont think it will happen.

  • Barry

    The G2 is supposed to ship with vanilla android idk about a ffc

    • jaythe01

      expresso….it was developed by htc and tmo specifically.

  • LPF

    I hate to be the one to break this to you, but project emerald has already been launched. It’s called the samsung vibrant. Also, tmobile intentionally releases false information to this site, and others like it. Just thought you all should know.

    • Steven

      OK and you know this how?

      • LPF

        Several members of my family are project managers for tmobile, one of whom works in new phone release.

    • TMOprophet

      That makes sense, as this story sounds like its intentionally been designed to throw people off the right track.

      I think the Blaze and myTouch will launch in Sept,

      And in Nov. THe Glacier

    • TMOprophet

      since u have inside info, whats the plan for the Glacier?

      • LPF

        Ok, this is what I know for sure; Project Emerald has already been launched. It’s called the samsung vibrant. So please let us all move on from this issue. What we have all heard about the G2, and the Mytouch HD is true. Tmobile had planned to release a version of the iphone when exclusivity ran out, but were turned off by the “death grip” problem. So unless that issues is fixed, don’t expect to see that anytime soon, if ever. Tmobile believes the phones they have planned for the near future will render the point mute. They also believe that HSPA+ will carry them for awhile until they can upgrade to HSPA++ 42mbps. After which point they will deploy LTE. Which as it turns out will be in about two years. Maybe sooner, but who knows.

        • David

          As far as everyone knows, the exclusivity has not ran out.

        • TMoA

          it has been no secret that att has filed several SEC docs stating their future plans. also received word on good authority from both tmo and apple that its over, iPad was final straw. TMo engineers are testing with network. however its not FINAL. Android, Windows and BBY are getting much needed attention first.

  • Adrian

    you guys think that “desire hd” would be the mytouch hd? i hope so. and i hope it bring front facing camera and 4.3 inch large screen

    • TMOprophet

      That’s what has been implied by a source for Phandroid, although my problem with that is that the Desire HD has a 4.3in Screen, now if the myTouch HD is the same device with mytouch branding instead..how come its screen is smaller?

      Other than that I think the Blaze and myTouch will both launch in Sept. While the Codenamed Glacier will be the Dual Cored beast in Nov.

      I’m sticking to my guns on this one. :)

  • Nokia N900USER

    I was just told about something that is in line with T-mobile’s HSPA+ plans. WOW!!! I cant believe I did not piece things together long ago on what project emerald is about. This so much confirms my comment earlier.
    Everyone remembers PROJECT DARK right? That was the “PLANS YOU CRAVE” Campaign.
    Project Emerald is “THE PHONES YOU CRAVE” in which case HSPA+ phones

  • Reece

    So would it be safe to assume that any of the HSPA+ phone(s) in here would also be the dual core stuff? Because the new dual core snapdragon chips pretty much supports just this right in the chipset. Thus if it’s the Mytouch HD and/or G1 Blaze that’ll be HSPA+ friendly, then it’s reason enough to believe that it’ll be the dual core dragons blazing it up for us (and if I see 800Mhz it’d be all the more confirmation for this since HTC would try to dial down the CPU to even out the battery usage)

    Looking forward to this!

  • TMOprophet

    I think TMo is so out of touch with what “we crave”

    Their answer = myTouch with 800mhz processor :(

    My answer = Glacer with 1.5Ghz Dual Core processor :)

    • Nokia N900USER

      Fact: A 800 mhz dual core processor is better than a 1 ghz single core one.
      Also, dont expect a 1.5 dual core phone yet when they’re not even on the 1.2 ghz single core level yet. Technically, the next gen single core chips will be rated 1.5 ghz but will be under-clocked to 1.2 ghz.

      • TMOprophet

        The Glacier’s Glbenchmark scores plus the math they did trying to figure out the processor seems to indicate a 1.5Ghz Dual Core. Especially considering the estimated 80 million triangles per second estimate, this only possible with Qualcomm’s QSD series 1.5Ghz dual cpu chipset.

        and there are no dual core 800mhz chipsets, not from qualcomm anyway. Its likely a 800mhz single core and both the Blaze and mytouch will have them, yipee right…yeah didn’t think so.

        The Vibrant will still be better than both these mediocre devices.

        We want and need the Glacier.

      • jmcl987

        Its still ironic to think that the first hspa+ device will come with an 800mhz proc.

  • TMOprophet

    I am also calling out @that guy, @jaythe01…

    you guys talk like you have inside info and talk as if you know the facts..

    Enlighten us all, give us the goods, specs, Glacier? Etc…

    Or maybe you’re full of it and trying to spread misinformation.

    • jaythe01

      There is a reason some feel that TMo throws out bs due to ALOT of leakage to future products and services. It has hurt us in the competitive landscape.

      Btw with respect to iphone rumor, 80% probable TMo gets it but it would be 3GS first then iphone4. There is already leaked doc showing another 2 iphones on the horizon.

      WIFI calling will come exclusive to TMo for Android with the Emerald phones. Also the cpu(s) will be from 800-1.2 ghz underclocked. …..your welcome fanboys!

      • TMOprophet

        Ok, are we getting a 4.3in screened dual core android anytime soon??

        If not I’m out.

  • WC

    The waiting is killing me!

  • Yea Right

    Another futile attempt to gain back the 93000 subscribers TMO lost!

    • Galen20K

      oh shut up troll! you think you’re slick, but you’re NOT.

  • TMOprophet

    Upon more thinking I realized that tmonews was right about the Vibrant way back when, so its possible they are right this time too, but I dont want them to be right this time. Cause it will mean epic fail for TMO..again

    I am starting to understand why people joke around about TMO calling them T-Maybe.

    TMO also needs besides the Glacier, a good Android campaign, something like the Droid does stuff. Something badass, in your face, and wicked cool. Not as one of you mentioned an Ice cream commercial….lol

    And someone will surely say that TMO doesn’t have the money to campaign like that, but I say BS, it would take like a few thousand dollars to shoot a cool commercial, and how much did they make last year. Enough said. TMO should never have started the Android revolution if they weren’t willing to market and support it aggressively..end of story.

  • miles

    what happened to the sidekick theory was that just a rumour or is it being developed ?
    casn someone email me and tell me thanks
    mileswalker91@googlemail.com

  • miles

    what happened to the sidekick theory was that just a rumour or is it being developed ?
    casn someone email me and tell me thanks

    • Kickstar13

      Did you not read the last sentence in the article? “P.S. That Sidekick theory that started all this Project Emerald mess? Pushed back to 2011.”

      • TMOprophet

        You guys know anything about the Glacier yet??????

        Come on, you got to know something.

  • jmcl987

    @ prophet
    I don’t think there’s gonna be a Glacier phone this year, if you take a look a tmobile’s roadmap you can judge there’s only 3 HTC devices:
    Sep= HTC Vanguard( G1 blaze)
    Nov= HTC Emerald(My touch HD) , HTC Shubert
    I can’t tell you if this is right though.

    • TMOprophet

      That would be a huge fail for TMO then, because those two androids wont even compare to the Vibrant, or any of Verizon’s or Sprint’s highend lineup.

      The Glacier is one such device that could propel TMO back to being a major contender. If they wait until next year, then here’s what happens, every other carrier beats them to the punch and once again TMO will be the last carrier to offer a highend device with a large screen.

      Launching the Glacier in Nov. would be the smartest thing they could do. By waiting it will only become a “who cares” scenario..”Verizon has better”.

      As to the roadmap, I understand that, I am believing what they said on Phandroid, about the Blaze and myTouch both coming in Sept. and being secret launches, while something big would still be coming in Nov.

  • Steven

    BTW, I just thought of something. If the G1 Blaze or whatever its called had a single 800mhz or 1ghz processor, but ALSO came with a dedicated graphics chip kinda like the Droid, couldn’t it be as powerful or more powerful than the Vibrant or the “Glacier”?

    • TMOprophet

      It might compare to the Vibrant, but I dont think it will be better, as even the dual core snapdragon QSD chipset pushes 80 Million triangles and the Chip in the Vibrant pushes 90 Mil.

      Unless they change their game plan or something.

  • now_onTMO

    umm just wanted to say this..

    metro pcs will soon be launching LTE.. it speculated or maybe “true” that their first LTE handset will only boast a 700-800 mhz processor..

    just saying.. lol

  • benjamin

    did any one notice the dream and vision are like the same concepts? just like sapphire and emerald but i was just thinking

  • Steven
  • ItsMichaelNotMike

    Per Boy Genius Report 8/17/10:

    Boost Mobile might have the Motorola i1 as a ruggedized Android handset, but we’ve just been informed that T-Mobile will be upping the stakes. A new Motorola Android phone, codenamed Jordan, is set for a November launch on T-Mo. The interesting thing about the Motorola Jordan is not that it is just a ruggedized handset, bur rather that we’ve heard the phone will actually be completely waterproof down to 10 meters (that’s just shy of 33-feet for those of you who are metrically challenged). Even IP67 certified. So, the phone will be swimming with the fishes at launch then?

    • TMOprophet

      That has nothing to do with this topic…at all…not even remotely related.

  • laura

    Is there still any possibility the HTC Glacier dual core phone will be released this year? Tmo needs to step up its game and be the first carrier to release a dual core phone.