Analysts Turn Sour on AT&T, T-Mobile Deal Prospects

According to a report by the Financial Times, a large number of “analysts” now rate the chances for an AT&T, T-Mobile deal at less than 50%. Some analysts are even going so far as to rate the deal as only having a 20% chance of success for government approval. Bankers are noting that in order for the deal to win approval, AT&T will have to sell significant spectrum, possibly to MetroPCS as rumored in the past using AWS frequency.

AT&T and Deutsche Telekom continue to ignore analyst talk that the deal won’t be approved: “Over the past two years, T-Mobile USA has been losing customers despite explosive demand for mobile broadband,” AT&T said in a statement, according to the Financial Times. “T-Mobile USA has no clear path to 4G LTE, the industry’s next generation network, and its German parent, Deutsche Telekom, has said it would not continue to make significant investments in the United States.”

With that said, Deutsche Telekom is unable to pursue any possible “Plan B” options according to their contract agreement prohibiting DT from seeking any other opportunities for sale. “This enforced silence and legal limbo is a very long way from a comfortable position for Deutsche Telekom, as it remains the reluctant owner of an asset that is deteriorating rapidly in an increasingly difficult US [market],” Sanford C. Bernstein analysts Robin Bienenstock and Craig Moffett wrote in a recent research note.

Earlier this month on November 4th AT&T announced it was pushing back its timeframe to close the T-Mobile deal. Originally the expected timeframe was sometime in March and now looks to be closer to a mid-Summer close if AT&T has their way.

Next up for both companies is the February 13th trial between the Department of Justice and AT&T as the DOJ looks to block the takeover.

The real question remains for T-Mobile and Deutsche Telekom specifically, without a perspective buyer in AT&T, what next?

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  • Dan

    David and I can go in together and broker a deal. We will own it! 

    • I’d love to and then go in and take over the marketing department.

      • MarketingDave….Right

        David… shame on you.  Just a veiled excuse to spend some up close and personal time with Carly!!!!

        • Haha, I swear, it isn’t.

        • itaintoveryet

          If this deal doesn’t go through David’s gonna get a big I told you so haha, but it ain’t over til the fat lady sings goodbye to carly

        • I’m going to get a what from a whom? I think you’d have a hard time proving when on earth I ever said this was a 100% guarantee!

        • sino8r

          I heard she was sleeping with one of those pink haired elves. She’s a bit too freaky for me ;)

      • Anonymous

        Agreed. Everyone I told about “Magenta Saturday” knew nothing of it. (Another fail on T-Mobile’s part…)

        • Mark Schmaling

          The Magenta Saturday Fail is that they still don’t have a Value Plan for Family plans.

      • Steven

        Very good point David.  Their marketing department has always been a source of angst for the Retail Sales frontlines (I’d also say our Customer Care organization).  The last device that customers actually lined up to buy was the Sidekick 3.  Since then, their marketing department has continued to do the opposite of what a successful marketing campaign.  They put all of their eggs into the Android devices, especially those that involved any HTC branded device (their devices have historically been absolute disasters on the sales front).  When they launched the G1, they sent all of the stores these “reservation cards” so people could guarantee gettingnone on launch day.  Of course, no limes to.speak of.  Only lines have been to exchange or return their devices since they are just plain unreliable.  Their marketing department has totally ignored other device manufacturers, RIM in particular.  When they launched the 8900, the 9700 and the 9900, they sent 99% of their stores a total of 5 for launch day, which only created a lot of unhappy customers.

        Plain and simple, their marketing department came up with the ingenious idea of calling their first Android device (the first for anyone) the G1.  Now why in the world would they not have gone with the “Droid” name?  It looks like Verizon now has the highest market share since they came out with the Droid name.  Again, another dumb move.  No N Series Nokia devices,  minimal advertising for their BlackBerry branded smartphones and pushing gel skins on the free lowest end phones (they just become dust collectors until we could finally send the back to Inventory).

        Hopefully this deal never gets done and somehow the T-Mobile brand continues and does a complete 180 from where they seem to have gone.

  • Anonymous

    That story makes it sound like “Damned if you do, Damned if you don’t”.  I sure hope that those billions of dollars that AT&T has to pay T-mobile if this doesn’t go through goes to giving T-mobile a good shot in the arm.

  • James

    With the 42 HSPA+ there is no need to build a LTE network yet.  I been seeing numbers close to what others are getting on Verizon.  Been hearing others on T-mobile getting between 10-15Mbps down.  Verizon does other things then just wireless so they would need the LTE, same as AT&T.  They need to just close off this deal and don’t ruin something that works!

    • The Dude

      I got 15.10 Mbps down the other day :)

      • Anonymous

        same here. 15.83 here in jacksonville, fl

    • Anonymous

      But there is need to built an LTE network. To pave the way for LTE Advanced. If we wait, we will never catch up.

  • Thomas Brezinski

    I thought one of the parts of the deal was T-Mobile gets some spectrum if it falls through as well.  Wouldn’t that in theory give them part of the upgrade path to 4G LTE?  Honestly though HSDPA+ is fast enough for now.  Be the value carrier with HSDPA+ for now and jump early on what comes after LTE.  HSDPA+ can hit 42 Mbps, why bother with LTE?

    • hatersontherock

      Hspa + can go high as 100 sumthing mbps so it go para as lte from what I read

  • 123

    I still think that it is important to never underestimate the power of money. I still think a deal will be cut. It will just require ATT throwing money everywhere, which they are very capable of doing.. 

    • Realcool2000

      I think u meant ” the power of greed ” fool.

  • Youngt82

    I say Google:)

    • Thompc82

      Deutsche Telekom is unable to pursue any possible “Plan B” options
      according to their contract agreement************* prohibiting DT from seeking any
      other opportunities for sale.************

      • 123

        I think that is only enforceable before the merger goes thorough. I think if the deal gets blocked, then dt can do whatever they want.

      • Anonymous

        Didn’t DT say they had a “Plan B” in the works?

  • hopelesstmoworker

    DT isn’t worried….assuming it doesn’t go thru, they will get a huge payoff from att. This money easily beats the lost revenue from the deteriorating performance of tmo us since the announcement. TMO will then be sold in pieces to many different players. TMO workers are the real losers here.

  • Guest

    In the last paragraph, the word “perspective” should be “prospective.”

  • Anonymous

    Deutsche Telekom has so severely mismanaged T-Mobile, it’s no wonder they find themselves in this situation. There was no reason to agree, to not even have discussions, with other potential buyers. All that was necessary was for DK to agree that, if the deal was approved, they will sell to AT&T.

    They could have still talked to other potential buyers, but just could not enter into any agreements, as long as the AT&T deal was still viable.

    The only way you agree to not even talk to other people, is that you already have a rock solid plan b lined up, if the deal fails. Maybe they do. But judging from their history, it doesn’t seem likely.

  • DetroitTechnoFan

    I think DT should just spin it off if they’re so bent on getting rid of it. It can survive on its own.

  • Rwalford79

    TMobile and DT set themselves up to. E bought by diminishing customer service, changing policies as well as plan names weekly, and then halting rapid HSPA roll out. Had TMobile just invested some faith in their business, there would not be an issue to sell. TMobile made it hard for customers to want to renew or stay, so the competitive market called. Fortunately people still want TMobile to stick around and I think that business model needs to be taken into consideration. You don’t have to sell or be a larger company to be a good company.

  • What What Tmo oh no

    The funny part is, I’m a Business student, and I have been saying this would fail since day one.
    And I’m not alone… alot of people made good points as to why this take over wouldn’t happen.
    It’s crazy that now people act as though this is a surprise.

    • TheOracleofTheWeb

      Okay, mr b school, you’re the only one that thinks this… Get back to us when you get to options theory and the tell us what the market think and not the pundits or random know nothing on the interwebs… your naiveness is hilarious… If you were so “smart” you’d have told us you made a killing with the appropriate options positions given your omniscient understanding of M&A … assuming you even knew how to execute that.

      • Anonymous

        And if you were so “smart” you would use real words when you decide to rip someone on here. Naiveness is NOT a word, it is naivete. Just sayin…

        • TheOracleofTheWeb

          Please correct the multiple errors above. Obviously my command of the English language is deficient, but I don’t naively pretend to know something or try to impress random people like I uniquely “know” something others don’t.

        • Anonymous

          Point taken.

  • Zspider1011

    if the deal fails, I can see tmo staying on the HSPA+ upgrade bandwagon as they have been doing, when the time comes It would partner with LightSquared or ClearWire. But what I would REALLY like to see is Tmo reach out to the regional carriers and banning together, maybe with lightsquared and building a National 4G network. It would be solid, and go live super fast because of all the parties involved. If that were the case they could also get federal funding and use it as the Gov network that no one has been wanting to build.

    • Zspider1011

      or just sell out to google and become a 100% add based network, I mean tmo was the original “google network” after all ;) google would be able to make a huge speed jump also since they own all those fiber lines out there.

      • Anonymous

        You know how much of a bad idea if google bought out Tmo? They have ownership over android and if they buy Tmo out, that could mean andriod exclusively for the Google Network. Prices could raise for android phones and Andriod could only be offered on Google. If that makes any since.

        • Frank

          It’s not going to happen anyway. Google’s said they have no interested in T-Mo.

        • tmotech

          DT also said they had no plans to sell T-Mobile USA less than a year before the AT&T deal was announced. So never say never :)

        • Frank

          True, but everyone knew they were actively looking for someone to sell to. We just didn’t see AT&T offering up the big bucks.

  • Boy03892003

    Question quoted from David: The real question remains for T-Mobile and Deutsche Telekom specifically, without a perspective buyer in AT&T, what next?

    • Jake Baker

      If T-Mobile sold the iPhone their network would crash 20 mins after the release of an iPhone. Network not strong enough and they definately don’t have enough bandwidth to compensate, especially in metro cities.

      • Frank

        Possibly, if a huge number of new people suddenly started using them.
        As I understand it the average iPhone user actually uses quite a bit less data per month than Android users. So if there was a huge increase in people moving from dumb-phones to iPhones, it’d probably wreak havoc on the network. If most were coming from Android devices, it’d probably be ok.

      • Occupytruth

        I dont understand your argument. Why? Because of all of the extra users? and AT&T HSPA+  sucks donkey balls compared to T-Mobiles and they have carried the iphone for years. 

      • Twisler

        Unfortunately, you are making a strong statement you know nothing about.  Lets think for a minute, if T-mo is loosing customers then whatever their “expansions” have been have been so for an anticipated load that is not there.  Considering they are loosing customers yet they are running their network in most all metro cities at 42mbps, then theoretically when compared to an aged ATT network that could (hahaha) sustain the iphone running HSDPA at best 7.2mbps, T-Mo is looking at a network that is capable of 6x faster speeds.  Hmmm.  So my friend, the issue is not simply bandwidth but rather how you use that bandwidth ;-).  Ohhh, and mind you as is, the T-mo network can be software upgraded to 84mbps.  Last but not least, with respect to what you experience as poor performance, it is due to handsets (Android, bb, iphone .. makes no difference) constantly checking their email (creating interference) and syncing and it is not due to a limit on bandwidth.  So, from someone who does know.. rest assured. T-Mo can handle the load!

        • Jake Baker

          I don’t know who you are, but just because T-Mobile has a quote on quote “42 mbps” network that is only live in a handful of markets which probably will crash in the beginning stages (just as the 21 mbps did in its beginning stages). Not to mention the iPhone that apple would release to the fourth largest wireless provider in America would not be the best and would likely run on the crappy unreliable 7 mbps network which would cap with the amount of bandwidth the network would allow. So before you go on a rant about something you know nothing about..think twice.

    • Anonymous

      According to the figures I saw, Sprint had to put up a boatload of money in guarantee sales of the iphone. If they don’t sell enough over the next couple years Sprint could be dead because of the iphone. My guess (and only a guess)  I believe TMO  probably turned down the chance to sell the iphone because it didn’t make sense financially.

      • Frank

        I agree. I think it would have been too expensive for them to get it now. Had they been able to work a deal a couple years ago when DT still had some interest in T-Mobile USA, it might have been feasable. Today it’s too little, too late.

      • Freddiemercury

        The reason why tmobile doesn’t have the iPhone is because they can’t sign a contract with apple to purchase millions of phones from apple a year for 5 years regardless if they sell them or not – they must be purchased for 5 years and they can’t do this since they are in a limbo state with the possible acquisition. How can tmobile sign a contract for 5 years when they don’t even know if they will be around next year. Tmobile germany has the iPhone and they sell it in germany all day long. Why? Because they can sign a contract for 5 years with apple cause they are going to stay around in germany. This is honestly common sense.,,2963-_214599-0-default;CNC-0,00.html


      I have an idea!!! For all those people on Tmobile who want an iphone… either switch carriers and pay more for less… or…. take your current phone that obviously your not happy with (since your complaining why Tmobile has no crap phone… I mean iphone) go get some good old duct tape (double sided tape will do) and a ipod touch…. put them together… and BAM! You have your crappy Apple product and a phone all rolled into one! On a serious note… Stop complaining on why Tmobile doesn’t have an iphone and how if they had one they wouldn’t be in the position they are in. I haven’t heard of Sprint improving after getting an iphone.. or that regional carrier going Nation wide after getting it. Heck does that mean if TracFone gets it ALL other prepaid carriers will sink? Seriously!

      • Durandal_1707

        I don’t want an iPhone. I just want T-Mobile to carry the iPhone, because then more people would sign up for T-Mobile, improving their customer base and helping them get out of the mess they’re currently in.

        • Anonymous

          Same here, I don’t want am iPhone either but it would be nice to help tmobile.

      • Boy03892003


        • Scarfacemario

          Not really a lot of iphones on sprint were returned because of slow data speeds

    • Right… As of now T-Mobile can’t offer the iPhone and it’s Apple’s fault. So you can complain to Apple or you can buy the unlocked iPhone from Apple if you want it on T-Mobile.

      • Dpro

        Ah no its not Apples fault. Apple would gladly sell an Iphone with the right radio frequencies to T Mobile If T Mobile would step up and  play ball. Fact is DT is the one behind T Mobile not having the Iphone. They do not want to invest money into T Mobile. If they did they might benefit but they mismanaged T Mobile USA from the get go and now they are suffering the consequences by another great mis management . That being the idea they would get away with selling it to ATT with out raising the regulatory ire of the DOJ and the FCC.
        They are high on their own crack. LOL
        How do you think C spire got the the Iphone? They stepped up to the plate and made a deal with Apple.
        Its time people stopped blaming Apple for T Mobile’s blunder on the Iphone.

        • El Don David

          You have no idea what your talking about. Tmobile has had the iphone in Europe for years
          So much for that theory of yours.

        • Dubskimcgee

          T-mobile in Europe is not the same as T-mobile USA the network is different, so apple has probably said “Commit to buying this many iPhones and we will design it to work on your network other wise its a waste of our time.” and T-mobile doesn’t want to do that, and why would they if they don’t know the future of the company yet.

        • Anonymous

          Dpro isn’t completely wrong (still very wrong however), DT operates as a very different entity than the good ol’ american magenta carrier.  

  • Lawrence of Arabia

    I like HSPA+, LTE uses too much battery.

    I’ll stay in tmo even w/o LTE.


      With HSPA+ they can upgrade it quite a bit from my understanding… so what’s the big deal with LTE besides knowing your paying more… and for what? Both At&t and Verizon charge extra once you hit your data limit… so why pay more to hit it faster? LOL makes no sense…

      • Anonymous

        LTE paves the way for LTE Advanced which is true 4g, capable of speeds of 1gigabit per second. 

        For now HSPA+ is great, but in the distant future, it will not cut it. I think nokia said they could get 336mb/s out of HSPA+. which sounds like it could carry tmo for at least 5 years without any significant difference between LTE.

        • Jeff

          As I understand it LTE is much, much more efficient than HSPA+ and can handle many more users at one time.

          This isn’t much of a big deal for T-Mobile at the moment (our network has 1/3 as many users as others),

          As more “connected” devices start popping up — not just phones, but video games, cars, cameras, whatever the next “must have” gadget is that needs a wireless signal — connectivity will be the name of the game.

        • Anonymous

          Which is why we need to start developing the technology instead of playing catchup

        • Iam.fecetious

          Moar speed, moar speed!  Must watch Carly and Nyancat at 30+fps

        • JBLMOBILEG1

          I have no problems now with using my current plan and tethering for gaming and Internet usage etc. NETflix work like any other home high speed broadband connection. In fact the only real downside for me right now is when I reach my 5gb limit. Which like I said… with an even faster connection could possibly be reached quicker which wouldn’t actually help the overall problem. True in the future we may need faster speeds but really though… why? Is it because we will really need more speed or because knowing that it’s there we are just taking advantage of it even though it’s really not needed. Kinda like a computer… they seem to get more and more powerful yet most users never even use what they already have yet buy in to getting a newer model just… because it’s newer.

        • Anonymous

          LTE is not that much more efficient than HSPA+. Thems lies you been hearin.

      • Amen!

      • HSPA+ has inferior ping rates and upload speeds compared to LTE. They’re both important for a smooth Internet experience. Outside of straight downloads, everything is much better on LTE.

        • Anonymous

          HSPA uploads are capped by T-Mobile. If T-Mobile didn’t cap uploads they could easily be in the 4Mbps range. In places where they have a higher cap on upload speed, it is easily 3Mbps

  • Giberto

    GO PUBLIC and let the people buy into T-Mo. Funding solved.

    • Anonymous


  • Tbyrne

    Yes!!! Looks like the dust really is starting to settle. Ha Ha!!

  • Anonymous

    Maybe EarthLink or Virgin Mobile will pick them up.

    • Guest

      Virgin Mobile is now owned by Sprint..


        I always thought Virgin Mobile and Boost always had a steak in Sprint? I guess because they always used their towers though.

        • Anonymous


        • JustSaying

          hahaha “steak” .. someone is hungry

  • Anonymous


  • Anonymous

    I guess it’s a sad day for you David.

  • BP

    Those analysts don’t have T-Mobile or else they would think differently.  Whoever wrote the article for the Financial Times should have started off by saying “slow news day”

  • AT&T should just give up, this is a waste of time… This deal doesn’t have a chance anymore. THANKS GOD because this deal would have destroyed the wireless industry market!

    • 123

      I really hope you are right and really hope this deal goes south. 

    • At this point the writing is on the wall, they’re either insane optimists or they want to be forced to call the deal off so they can cry politics.

  • prawnparty

    mcdonald’s should buy tmobile

    • Frigadroid

      Happy phones for kids awesome!

  • Anthonyr1018

    Google should buy T-Mobile USA

    • Sterlyng65

      Google really should

  • Razorman033

    Comcast will buy T-Mobile.

  • prawnparty

    Costco will buy all of tmobile

  • Jchan

    Apple should buy Tmobile.

    • Apple has spurned T-mobile on multiple occasions. Steve Jobs (RIP) all but gave them the finger during the 4S launch. I don’t think they’ll be buying T-Mobile.

  • prawnparty

    Applebee’s should buy tmobile

    • Dmuney20


  • BigMixxx

    Ruh rooh……somebody is gonna be out 3 billion…

    • jon

      3 billion X 2.
      Three in cash and another three in a roaming deal and spectrum…look for that in Sept of 2012; that is when tmobile has the right to walk from the deal and collect that six billion.

      • BigMixxx

        Ok…..i gotta think…..I’m driving to Memphis…..but I gotta think before I post…

        I’m thinking leveraged sell of t Mobile USA right now…spin it a bit…

      • Kate

        Unfortunately though it’s DT and not T-Mo that gets the money. They’ve already said they’re not going to put it into T-Mo. :(

        • jon

          What they say and what they do are two completely different. Of coarse they will posture and threaten to drive tmob off the cliff. But get real….that isn’t going to happen. That posturing was only to pressure the DOJ and FCC into approving this deal. They will use the full six billion to either entice another buyer or the more likely is they will use it to invest in LTE. They had no clear path to LTE and that was the only reason dt looked to sell. With the absolute robbery of at&t spectrum and cash, they now have a VERY clear path.

  • whiskers

    Hell why not Best Buy , lol.
    Then we would have BestMobile.

  • Anonymous

    Even if T-Mobile collects a sweet pay day from the deal falling through, it still won’t fix the countless business related problems they have.  Those guys need serious business reform and need to do something about their spectral disadvantage.  Someone at T-Mobile needs to wake up and realize that being the “value” brand provider doesn’t yeild profitability unless you have vast  volumes of people to justify moderate losses.  A perfect example would be the Walmart strategy, however they lack a ginormous, consistent customer base that Walmart can rely on.

    Even if the deal doesn’t go through, i have a strange feeling that AT&T will get what they want somehow.  Just a hunch!

    • Justhanging

      I have a strange feeling AT&T won’t get what they want…. and that we’ll see T-Mob buddy up,  merge, or buy one or two of their peers in the industry.   I think everyone has discounted the possibility that DT really can think beyond this deal. 


  • Anonymous

    For a “Value” carrier LTE should not matter as much as they make it out to. It all sounds like nonsense to play their “we can’t compete” position and not their true position “we don’t want to compete, SELL SELL SELL”

    I don’t understand why T-Mobile doesn’t start to leverage their PCS holdings for either LTE or more HSPA carriers. I’m guessing that they will consider it now that their phones are starting to carry PCS 3G, with 850 3G for roaming when the deal falls through. GSM does not need 40MHz in places where they do have that much spectrum, and in places where they don’t have that much PCS they have more than enough AWS. If T-Mobile can’t be acquired by AT&T they will need to sell to somebody else or get serious about maximizing their spectrum and retooling the plans to offer true value and not true confusion.

    Not only that MetroPCS with 9 million customers in concentrated areas deals with 10MHz-20MHz of AWS, and now they are launching LTE and EV-DO in the same spectrum along with legacy 1X.

  • I still think it will be approved especially since next year is an election year and plenty of politicians will be willing to sell out the American people for some of that AT&T money.

    But if we are speculating that it won’t I think that a deal with Sprint is the most logical choice.

    T-Mobile has no LTE strategy and on their own their HSPA+ network won’t be able to compete with LTE even if they are able to squeeze a few more drops of blood out of that particualr stone.  Not that their network is that great there are plenty of places where I live in suburban Los Angeles where I can’t even get an EDGE connection let alone HSPA+.

    Sprint has recently made the (wise) choice to switch from WiMax to LTE.  Sprint’s network coverage also isn’t all that.

    Both Sprint and T-Mobile together would mean a LOT more cell towers for the combined company.  Should enable them to provide excellent coverage.

    Of course from a consumer perspective I’d rather see them get bought by Google, but I don’t think that’s something that Google is interested in. (at least they aren’t interested in the anti-trust scrutiny)

    • Anonymous

      A lot of people seem to like the idea of a google wireless, however i don’t know if Google would realistically do a good job of managing a real carrier with terrestrial cell sites.  Sure they have plenty of money but i’m not sure if they would actually do something that revolutionary with one like people think they would.  Heck, i’m not even sure if google would invest in such a business.  Anything is possible, but i still think its a bad idea.

    • Justhanging

      Are you kidding me??????  Helloooooo, are you not watching the news?  Do you think that little protest called “Occupy Wall Street” isn’t having a little impact on the politicos. 

      If this goes through after the DOJ and other Gov Offices have said they have problems with it then it will BE EXACTLY what that protest is all about!!!!  Do you REALLY think the politicos looking to get re-elected are going to want any more fuel on the OWS fire come election time? 

      Nah, I think the story on this takeover has been written.

      Wall Street analysts are plugged in (another troublesome beef that the OWSers have), they know from their sources that this is going to be a poster story of “political wherewithall”:  e.g. “We Already Spent Alot of Fed $ Seeing to the Break Up AT&T, We’re Not Going There Again”.

      • Plankton

        OWS! Really! You mean the Soros SEIC funded gang of rapists, defactors and the like?

        Analysts plugged in? Really! Check there track record and call me in the morning!

        The unions want this deal and it will be done. Watch the other hand and think for yourself.

        • Justhanging

          Did I check in too early? 
          I guess the FCC thinks it’s time to do justice to the process too.
          Oh, and I suppose it’s just coincidence that the analysts hit the street with preemptive and collective “this pig ain’t gonna fly” opinions just before the FCC announcements today.  I guess they aren’t any more plugged in than you.  ;-)

    • Enoel69

      For now they don’t have a strategy for LTE bcz of the buy out proceedings. But after this buy out is rejected…there are plenty of avenues they can pursue to get LTE…either thru partnership, go it alone if DT has a change of heart or Google makes a play for Tmobile as i think they should. The point is to maintain four vibrant carriers..two GSM and two CDMA to ensure robust competition.

      • But being as they currently don’t even have a plan (a public one at least, presumably (hopefully) they have contingency plans) they will be far behind the competition.  AT&T & VZW are already rolling out LTE, Sprint is already working on it and T-Mobile is just hoping the buyout gets approved.

        Also CDMA can die in a fire, one of the greatest thing about VZW and Sprint going to LTE is it means that some day in the future we can finally banish that technology from the country.  Having every carrier on the same basic technology can only be good for competition.

    • Samuel L Jackson

      When it comes down to it i think sprint proposed a deal. the parent company didnt like it. att proposed a deal and they liked it. sprint is butt hurt about it. a sprint and t-mobile deal would require so many changes.  im with the att-tmobile merger.

  • leaving tmo

    This is why folks arent choosing tmo. the company says it isnt putting any resources toward tmo. so if theyve given up on tmo so have we the people. youd have to be crazy to sign a twoyear contract

  • golinprChi

    Maybe they should partnet with amazon. honedtly tmob now is coming across as a Loser Brand. they neef to also overhaul their marketing strategy and execution. i work in a major pr firm. id be fired for all their missteps. sorry for typos. Writimg on tiny cellphone really quickly.

  • Cakes Malone

    Yup not a good sign at all tell the Iron Sheik to turn off the lights on his way out the door!

  • i’m glad the odds of AT&T taking over is unlikely. Not sure why the parent company won’t invest here. If they provided better customer service many wouldn’t leave.

  • Anonymous

    I see people comment so much on how t-mobile is failing to compete because of lack of LTE. If people took just a few minutes of their time to learn about LTE and HSPA+ they’d realize a few things. 

    I spent practically a whole semester at college working on wireless technology and handsets projects in my IT classes and learned a great deal about how things work. IMO T-Mobile has nothing to worry about if they continue upgrading their HSPA+ network for the next few years. It’s less expensive and just as effective as LTE currently. 

    Firstly HSPA + has the potential to reach theoretical cap speeds of 672mbps. Now people will say “yes THEORETICAL speeds”. My Nexus S on a good strong signal and low traffic has consistently pulled down over 5.5mbps. That’s about 80% of the theoretical speeds of 7mbps from HSPA. If they could optimize HSPA+ in similiar fashion 80% of 672 would be a download speed of 537.6mbps. That’s not too shabby.

    Secondly Go to verizons website and look at their comparison. They compare their 3g to their 4g and rate their own LTE network in the 5-12mbps range. While some users especially just after launch of verizons and at&t’s LTE experienced speeds anywhere from 15-25mbps it’s unlikely to continue as more strain is placed on the networks as verizon is already advertising slower speeds. Of course this will be expanded upon but expected speeds on verizons network aren’t that impressive when compared to HSPA+ 42mbps.

    HSPA + is a backward compatible technology. So phones like my Nexus S that use older radios will still benefit with speeds getting closer to their theoretical limit and seeing better consistency.

    While there is no doubt LTE is the future, this could be a future as far as 10 plus years away to get to the speeds at which LTE actually trumps HSPA + and HSPA+ can no longer compete. LTE advanced is the technology in which those speeds are capable which is the next level of LTE. Some nice reasons as to why LTE is the future are things such as less towers. LTE’s range is so great that theoretically one tower could be used to blanket the entire city of philadelphia (as told by the mayor’s technology adviser in a guest lecture). HSPA+ needs many more towers to cover the same amount of area. But this has a second issue…

    It’s pretty obvious if you talk to anyone with a LTE phone the limitations of battery life when using it. To catch that vast signal coverage a strong antenna is needed and it sucks down battery life like a frat brother sucks down beer after a home coming football win. While HSPA + is much more conservative with battery life. Upgrading current HSPA towers is adequate to cover most Americans with HSPA+. Speaking of if AT&T would upgrade their entire network to HSPA+ 97% of americans would have high speed internet (going by their 97% coverage advertisements)

    Now in 5 or so years (could be sooner the way tech moves) T-Mobile would need to start planning to begin deploying an LTE network to compete, but in no way does not having a current plan currently hurt T-Mobile in anyway. Personally I feel they have the best strategy with sticking to HSPA+. Waiting a few years as the technology gets cheaper and more refined gives them an edge on competitors putting everything into LTE like At&t. They’ll have phones that are just as fast as AT&T’s LTE but with double the battery life and a smaller price tag. 

    • Elder Mo

      Here’s a question for you. Does the average consumer understand or even care about the differences between HSPA+ LTE. The average consumer just wants to make calls, send a few emails and text. The super high speeds are undone by the speed caps imposed by providers.

      • Anonymous

        While I didn’t directly say it it could be understood that I was making a point as to at this point it doesn’t matter if it’s LTE or HSPA+ currently. People just want their things to work, have at least a days worth of battery life and work fast. So, no the average consumer doesn’t know or care but they just want things to work efficiently. I was explaining for the many commenters I see on this site talk about how if t-mobile is not bought out they will fail with out LTE. I made points as to how in the present and for the next few years HSPA+ will more than suffice and actually give t-mobile an edge on competition because of better all around service and device battery life that HSPA+ offers.

        I would agree with you that the average consumer wants to do those things. But I think your leaving out other things that once your a smart phone user (and that’s what we’re talking about) you expect to be able to do many other things. It’s very simple to play games like words with friends and use social networking sites on a mobile device. Anyone that dishes out the extra money a month is certainly looking to web browse and use these features. I have plenty of family and friends parents that are 35 or older who use there smart phones to play network based games and social networks. I would include that in what the avg consumer looks to be able to do with their device.

        As for speed and data usage its seems you have the wrong mindset. i think a lot of people from consumer to technology people get confused as to exactly how data caps effect them. For example if I download the facebook app on my Nexus it is 5.78MB. Whether my network is pushing edge or 2x speeds (any where from 100kbps-700kbps) or 4g speeds of 15mbps it is still only 5.78MB of data. the difference is the users waiting time. With 4g the user only waits less than a second (theoretically) and with 2g speed the user has to wait anywhere from 1 minute-10 seconds (theoretically). Networks rarely work at what speeds you see in speed test, so it reality both would probably take longer. 

        So I was grandfathered in to T-Mobile unlimited data, which most people who were have been changed over to 5gb before being throttled. I consistently use anywhere from 1.5gb-2.0gb of data each month. I watch a lot of youtube videos, music streaming and a ton of web surfing. Depending on my location I get anywhere from 2mbps-5mbps on my device. The difference in speed in no way changed how much data I use. If my phone was 42mbps capable I would still use the same amount of data  just I wouldn’t be waiting as long for pages to load and things to download. A 4 minute youtube video transfers the same amount of data over a network whether it’s traveling at 4g speeds or 2g speeds. 

        Now of course if I was using 6MB of data each month the 4g speeds would be null because I passed my data cap, but actually having those speeds doesn’t force me to go over it.

  • Computertech12345

    If I wanted AT&T I would be with them, I have no interest in being with AT&T, I’ve been with T-mobile for 7 Years, If AT&T gets it I will jump ship and go to sprint.