T-Mobile 700MHz band 12 LTE also seen in Arlington, TX and Miami, FL

No sooner had I finished my previous band 12 sighting post, than I was sent another and spotted one published in the T-Mobile sub-reddit. The two are from completely different areas in the U.S., both of which check out on the 700MHz map.

Hialeah, Miami

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One of our readers, Hans, got in touch to share with us the news that Hialeah, Miami area, is showing signs that band 12 LTE is live. With this many sightings hitting my inbox, it’s clear that T-Mobile has been ramping up its 700MHz deployment in recent times. It’s purely speculation, but the aggressive network deployment could have something to do with the major outage we saw in the North East last Friday.

Hialeah Miami, Florida

Arlington Texas

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Over on Reddit, in the T-Mobile subreddit, user “jbus” shared an image showing the network being alive and well in Arlington, Texas. It’s not unlike Texas to get its hands on the latest network technologies. Back towards the end of 2013, it was in Dallas where we first started seeing the carrier’s 20+20MHz wideband LTE network go live.

Arlington, Texas

As always, keep your LTE sightings coming in. You can reach me as always on Twitter (@PhoneDog_Cam) or through email: cam@tmonews.com.

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  • Justsomecommentor

    Wow, T-mobile. You are moving fast! Now that the co-location deal between Tmo and KXLA has been approved by the FCC, I can’t wait to see Band 12 show up in Orange county, Ca.

    • How does co location work?

      • monkeybutts

        Less power to the LTE. I believe they are going 3×3 instead of 5×5

        • Justsomecommentor

          I agree.

        • Seems fair for the sake of range. As LTE can deliver up to 25Mbps on 5MHz, on 3MHz it would still be capable of up to 15Mbps, which is quite useable compared to no bars inside buildings and in far away neighborhoods.

        • William Kestle

          Pretty sure LTE is 37.5 Mbps on 5 mhz. 75 on 10mhz, 112.5 on 15mhz and 150 on 20mhz.

          I think 22Mbps would be the max we would see on a 3mhz channel.

        • FYI: 3glteinfo{dot}com/?p=2531

        • William Kestle

          That site is so inaccurate.

          Max 100 Mbps on 20mhz downlink? I’ve seen 140+. No wonder I’ve never seen that site before

        • TK – Indy

          Until you share it with a million other folks in Orange County. As the phone roll out, it is going to get hammered.

        • Since Orange County has a population of 3 million and not all are TMUS subscribers, I don’t think that you have to worry about sharing band 12 with a million other folks.

        • KingCobra

          That’s where the AWS comes into play. T-Mobile doesn’t have to worry about capacity in most markets. Especially not in SoCal.

  • Roger

    Ah…Hialeah… “The City of Progess!”

    • Roger

      ^Progress

    • Oye!

      Que?

    • Carlos Garay

      Agua, fango y factoría!

  • Willie D

    Not sure how you correlate a problem in NE US with a deployment in SE. Seems you’re unfamiliar with how network and how large the US actually is.
    Now if only Univision would move off Channel 51 in San Jose-Oakland-San Francisco we could be getting some love too, but no, Univision loves monopolizing the market.

    • Cam Bunton

      No, I wasn’t insinuating that the deployment in SE was related. That was more a general statement about how fast T-Mobile has been rolling out new network technology in general. Not location-specific.

    • I think Univision is looking for someone to add a subchannel for the affiliate before they can begin pulling it off channel 51 in your area.

      I feel ya. Our local Fox affiliate, WFXG, is holding us back by staying on a channel that’s absolutely benefiting no one. I mean, over half of our area can’t even get WFXG because it is low-powered on Channel 51.

  • Kogashuko

    Fast but they seem to have no interest in snatching up 700mhz from contenuum or filling in gaps in current cell coverage in my area. Might be moving to ATT soon.

  • MC Mickey Lee

    Watch how all the Sprint trolls keep quiet now. This kind of tmo news hurts them something awful as they hide out drooling and moaning with disappointment.

    • TK – Indy

      Well, I don’t think it was too much of an imposition for people in these warm areas that were already covered anyway to go outside to make a phone call. Maybe now they won’t have to.

      • Mr Paul

        Most areas the 700MHz is going to, especially in Florida, were already densely covered to begin with. I still don’t see 700MHz being deployed where it’s most needed, so I don’t understand why T-Sheep are getting so excited lol

        • NYC33

          Plus their 700 mhz deployment is only for LTE in just a handful of states.

        • Eric

          Hmmm, why are you on a T-Mobile forum again?

        • KingCobra

          Because trolling is fun.

        • Kogashuko

          I had all sorts of issues with Sprint here and so did many others. The phone might say you have coverage but it is slow and unreliable. I was constantly getting dropped calls and it took a good 30 seconds to two minutes to switch from 3g to LTE and back. If they fixed anything I would be surprised. Not to mention CDMA call quality is horrible to begin with. With every GSM carrier I have ever used or IDEN it sounded like I was in the same room with the person I was talking too. The sprint Airave was a disaster too.

        • Mr Paul

          Not untrue. When did you use Sprint and where (city or state?)

          However, Sprint’s call quality, presuming when you have an adequate signal, is virtually indistinguishable from AT&T’s

          Example:
          http://www.cnet.com/news/iphone-5-call-quality-testing-compared-across-carriers/

    • Mr Paul

      Lol? How is this a threat to any of the other 3 carriers? Imagine if a map was made showing Sprint’s continuing 800MHz rollout and where it currently is, compared to T-Mobile’s miniscule 700MHz footprint. Although, that wouldn’t keep T-Sheep quiet, that’s for sure…

      • jacky

        So where is this 800 mhz your talking about where is that sprint map coverage?

        • Mr Paul

          They do not list it separately from Spark, and the Sprint community has not created one. I also stated if they had a map, not that they do. Maybe learn to read.

        • tony

          suuuure i bet. huh huh.

        • tony

          at this point t mobile will have already surpassed sprint so i coudl care less about sprint lol. They lost.

        • Mr Paul

          You’re butthurt that T-Mobile lost a nationwide market test, and is about to loose it again?

          At this point, all T-Sheep have is hearsay and random people speedtesting LTE that just lit up in random areas across the country.

          You expect us to be improved with this lame 3×3 or 5×5 700MHz that’s in less areas and slower than cable company public WiFi?

          Now, the oldest LTE markets are getting slower, and slower, and slower. The only saving grace T-Mobile will have on this quarter of RootMetrics testing and crowd-source maps will be their newest LTE additions.

          Every carrier on earth has shown us 1000x that this always look great on paper and great when it first lights up.

          The top 3 crowd-source maps with excessive data all together continually prove that over half the time, T-Mobile doesn’t have LTE or even 3G either tested or verified by anyone where they claim it is.

          The more T-Mobile keeps loosing, the more excuses Legere, Ray and team keep coming up with. The more they do not meet goals, the more bogus timelines, estimates, and shuffling goals Ray keeps making up for Legere and himself to keep repeating until T-Sheep start repeating and believing them. An animal is said to be most dangerous when cornered, and when Legere and Ray are cornered with fact, the chicken out like cowards and make cheap excuses like juveniles.

        • spelling while trolling

          lose not loose

        • Jay J. Blanco

          T-Mobile is still winning 8.4 Million customers in a year. Fastest growing carrier.

          You expect Sprint to win with 5x5mhz 800mhz that they seem to cant deploy nationwide.. hmm. Speed test 0-6mpbs and sprint labels that LTE. I get 10mbps or more on 5x5mhz HSPA for god sake.

          Spark is a complete joke. No VO-LTE. Every other carrier is implementing this. Sprint isn’t. Cant text and browse the web at the same time

          Slow LTE rollout.
          3G is slow as T-Mobile 2G smh

          Sprint constantly saying they are working on this buliding out that. Network Vision still not complete. They must be just playing with the towers.

          sprint will be #3 soon and you all will be eating magenta dust

        • TK – Indy

          T-mobile VoLTE is joke. Everyone turns it off because it keeps dropping calls. Lets look at things in a year as people who switched get free of their contracts that T-mobile masquerades as EIP. They’ll be leaving, and Tmo will be on its way down.

        • KingCobra

          I’m sure Sprint is ‘winning’ with their $2.1B loss and millions of subscriber losses. When they actually begin gaining customers again you can sing praise. Obviously their network hasn’t really improved much in real world terms or else they wouldn’t still be losing so many customers despite being the absolute cheapest major carrier on the market right now. Consumers don’t care about ‘800mhz’ ‘700mhz’ etc., they care about real world performance and as of right now Sprint obviously still isn’t competitive.

        • NYC33

          800mhz lte is already deployed in Miami not to mention 1×800 for voice. You see Richard Yarell aka Tony jacky ,galaxy note the best once you go into a building you dont need wifi calling.

        • Marvin Lilmarv Bolden-Mitchell

          Lol……BAMMMM 1×800

      • Jay J. Blanco

        It’s threat because t-mobile will have just a good coverage as the other 3. Plus wideband. Speed and reliability will increase meaning customers will pay less for the same coverage.

        • TK – Indy

          My goodness, I shouldn’t have left my snow boots at the door, it is getting deep in here.

        • Mr Paul

          I hope he works for T-Mobile, that’s all I have to say.

        • Jay J. Blanco

          Former shareholder fyi i hope you work for Sprint

    • T-blows

      Lmao!! You stupid lol. We rather have less speeds but coverage everywhere. At least with Sprint I don’t have to worry about to Edge as soon as I leave the city limits! Lol. Besides we are way ahead of T-blow when it comes to our 800 MHz. SMH you ignorant troll lol.

      • ⓜ@®!ⓞ G@®CI@ ™

        Why do people keep using the once you leave a city Edge argument ? First of all Sprint does have 3G in these places but I mean come on that thing is slow sometimes slower than edge. Also T-Mobile and Sprint now have equal LTE coverage and T-Mobile will have all those edge places covered in 4-5 months. Plus many more native coverage then sprint by year end.

        • TK – Indy

          They have similar number of LTE POPs covered because T-mobile has more coverage on the densely populated west coast. Back east and in the midwest, T-mobile LTE area is tiny compared to Sprint.

        • Mr Paul

          And Sprint goes the opposite. Sprint is a bit behind in the west (although catching up quite quickly) because they didn’t have as much of a presence out there, and they are kicking butt many areas throughout the South and improving a lot in the Northeast.

        • Jay J. Blanco

          No they are not tiny, just as equal. In NC and SC and T-Mobile is not done yet. Not to mention T-Mobile LTE build out is faster then Sprints. T-Mobile had 4G LTE in Columbia, SC before Sprint did.

        • TK – Indy

          No, look at the real maps, not some image created by somebody at Mosaic that is a fiction. Tmobile LTE coverage east of the Mississippi is a bunch of tiny areas around big cities. Sprint covers entire states with it.

        • Jay J. Blanco

          Sprint does not cover any entire state East of the Mississippi They don’t even tell you when u roaming

        • Mr Paul

          EV-DO is a terrible, terrible technology by today’s standards, but it is capable of being over 20x faster in terms of theoretical speeds than EDGE is.

          There’s no denying Sprint has a lot of 3G to convert in commuter towns and even in many suburbs, but the combination of their 800MHz and pace will have it done and or available before T-Mobile even starts leasing, building, or boosting squat in the areas Sprint has already done some work in.

          Before this new CEO, I would have argued that Sprint, like T-Mobile has neglected my area, but even before they’ve hit my area with Spark, they’ve already converted huge chunks of 3G to LTE. They are taking this all very seriously, and have already down 5x the work in my area in 6 months than T-Mobile has in 2 years.

        • Jay J. Blanco

          That joke is old when I leave Columbia I have LTE pretty good in rural areas. Lol T-Mobile has upgraded so much here its crazy. It’s a large portion of SC the is 2G or no service with Sprint and t-mobile has LTE. But they have 800mhz nationwide smh lol what a joke

        • TK – Indy

          This is BS. T-mobile is dead last in SC by a LOT. They did horrible there. Read RootMetrics.

        • Jay J. Blanco

          Root metric is B.S. They did their own test. It’s not real user measurements or real life situations. I get good service And decent speeds

        • TK – Indy

          “The RootMetrics testing methodology is guided by two fundamental standards:

          1) Testing mobile network performance from a consumer’s point of view.
          2) Providing objective, accurate, and unbiased assessments of performance in helpful and easy-to-understand terms.”

          They did over 112,000 tests throughout the state for their report. How many have you done?

        • Jay J. Blanco

          Real users have done over 1,000,000 tests on Okla n sensorly. I’ve mapped majority of Columbia, Charleston, Lugoff, Cayce, Elgin, Camden, I-20, I-77. Manning,
          Sumter, Florence n more. N million of users have contributed themsleves. More then what root metrics can do

        • TK – Indy

          These people do tests when they have a connection, if they don’t have a connection, they can’t do the test. RootMetrics counts the times you can’t connect. Speedtest says ” I have a connection, how good is it?”. RootMetrics says first “Do I have a connection?”, then “how good is it?”. See the difference? Speedtest cherry picks connection.

        • Jay J. Blanco

          They do test when you leave service areas too i’ve done it before. I’m pretty sure others have too. you can the grey areas on the maps.

        • jacky

          LOL rootmetric trY ookla speed. More accurate

        • KingCobra

          Or better yet he’s in SC himself and can accurately speak to the service while you’re reading a report. Which is BS again? Sprint LTE speeds in SC are a joke.

        • TK – Indy

          He is biased, and can’t accurately speak to anything. T-mobile is horrible in SC, one of their worst states. Get real.

        • Jay J. Blanco

          Dude I live in SC, so I would know. I been a tmobile customer since 2008.

        • Jay J. Blanco

          Exactly I actually live in SC

        • Marvin Lilmarv Bolden-Mitchell

          Coverage always better than speed

      • KingCobra

        So in other words Sprint is great for using a flip phone? I’ll keep that in mind.

    • HeatFan786

      Sprint has trolls? I was trying to download their message using their network, but my I decided to use a G1 on Edge for better speeds.

      • KingCobra

        LOL. Yeah that sounds like Sprint alright.

    • jacky

      Sprint trolls are jealous of t mobile band 12 and wodeband network. Spark cant even surf and talk at the same time.

    • RedGeminiPA

      Yet, here I am, living in the largest city between Pittsburgh and Harrisburg, PA (Altoona, PA), and they’re still on EDGE with barely a usable signal. Meanwhile, the coverage map is FINALLY showing deployment of LTE in SMALLER towns around us. They’re the ONLY major carrier to not offer LTE here. Sprint was the 2nd, behind Verizon, to deploy LTE in my city.

      At this point, I’m sticking with Sprint. Once they deploy LTE in my area, I’ll start trying to find people who actually have a usable signal here to get their input on how service REALLY is.

      Even though T-Mobile roams on AT&T, service here is utterly useless, even though AT&T coverage here is great.

      In reality, since Sprint roams on Verizon, I’ll probably still stick with Sprint for the foreseeable future. T-Mobile still has a long way to go in rural areas where service matters a great deal (car troubles in the middle of nowhere, etc.).

  • me

    I thought Miami was considered live? I know of multiple towers including hialeah and 826, I-75 & Pembroke Gardens area, as well as 40st and 67 Ave that have band 12. On one tower I pulled 63.72Mbps down!!! Yes, band 12.

    • Ashton3002

      If you got 63.72 you weren’t on band 12.

      • tony

        t mobile has wideband network covered in florida

        • Ashton3002

          STFU! I’m very well aware. They have it New York, LA, and Dallas (one of their first markets) just to name a few. I’m not dumb. I know this which is why I said he/she wasn’t on band 12.

        • me

          And why is that?

        • Ashton3002

          Since T-mobile is only limited to 5 MHz and the maximum speed in the best conditions are 37 mbps if I’m not mistaken that’s the maximum speed you can experience. Period.

        • me

          Positive on the bands? Aggregation not possible?

        • me

          *positive on the mhz?

        • Bishop

          On Band 12 at 5Mhz I was able to get around 25Mbps download speeds. Now when I’m on regular Band 4 at 15Mhz, I’ve peaked at 80Mbps download.

          Band 12 only showed up quickly, after my phone dropped to 4G and then quickly went back to 4G LTE. I checked the service mode and saw Band 12. But after that, I’ve been on Band 4 at 15Mhz.

        • Ashton3002

          I’m pretty positive. and highly unlikely. And even so it they were aggregated you wouldn’t be on 1 band Like you suggested. Like sprint. When on spark your not on 1 band only. Their kind of all mashed together.

        • me

          Not that I don’t believe you, and not that I dont find it questionable myself but I tested again today at the same location. Stats are as below if anyone in the area cares to verify

          51.38Mbps Down
          13.64Mbps Up
          45ms Ping

          Network: 25.73352550, -8030315050
          GPS: 25.73348997, -80.29793001
          Band: 12
          GCI: 01119604
          DL Freq: 729mhz – 746mhz
          UL Freq: 699-716mhz
          EARFCN (LTE band 12)

        • Jay J. Blanco

          Okay, your probably experiencin those speeds because their no one using that band. Because I’ve got 25mpbs on 5mhz of hspa in my city

        • Ashton3002

          Are you using an app because the LTE discovery app Is sometimes wrong if that is what you’re using. There is NO possible way band 12 can achieve that on just a 5 MHz channel. Alone. It’s impossible.

        • jacky

          Are you jealous? Lol

        • Ashton3002

          Of what? I’m able to use 700 LTE. I already have it. Everywhere I go. On the highway. Outside of major cities. And almost everywhere in between.

        • Mr Paul

          Now these twats are seriously going to ask people using Verizon or AT&T if they’re jealous of their 700MHz? LOL!

        • chrssstp9

          I agree 5 MHz channels theorically pulls 37 Mbps down…(ANY) channel bandwidth!!!

        • jacky

          Lol a butthurt sprint iser wish they had wideband network. Lol at sparky.

        • Ashton3002

          Tf what? Butthurt? I don’t have sprint anyway. I have AT&T

  • Patience Danielsan

    These new sightings are encouraging… I keep tuning in almost every day looking for additional info on Band 12 officially getting deployed in Tampa. I’m holding off on upgrading my Note 3 and trying to be patient waiting for any news other than brief sightings and apparent testing…. I guess it really doesn’t matter to me how long they take to do it, whether it be next week or 6 months from now, I just wish I knew when to expect a go live date, the not knowing is what bothers me.

  • Mr Paul

    Meanwhile, T-Mobile’s network is collapsing in certain markets.

    http://www.rootmetrics.com/us/rsr/mcallen-tx

    “T-Mobile’s median download speed decreased from 8.3 Mbps to 3.0 Mbps, and T-Mobile’s
    median upload speed decreased from 9.9 Mbps to 7.1 Mbps.”

    Ouch! Barely even useable! Exactly what I saw in western FL except my uploads were more like 4-5 megabits tops.

    Not to mention even AT&T and Verizon are also plummeting in that particular market, but still maintain useable speeds. Uh oh! I guess AT&T needs to get their butt there, and Verizon needs to pay attention and stop making claims about how great they are!

  • javier

    Any news for Orlando or deal made

    • Mr Paul

      Can’t happen, that area still has a channel 51 conflict.

      Sprint just overtook them save still being a little slower overall, and T-Mobile is starting to slow down there:

      http://www.rootmetrics.com/us/rsr/orlando-fl/2015/1H

    • daniel

      I do have some news on that. Follow my Twitter @danielplumley and I will DM you.

      • Why?

        DM? Can’t share with the world?

  • MC Mickey Lee

    I stand corrected. I guess the Sprint trolls couldn’t help themselves. So here’s a philosophical question for Tmo customers: Have you ever met a hater doing better than you?

    • TK – Indy

      You invited people to join in, don’t blame them when they accept.

  • Dan

    Any idea when the iPhone will have a band 12 compatible phone?

    • JB45

      If I were to guess I would say the next release iPhone 6s/6s+

  • Food4Thought

    I have a theory as to why folks with Verizon, AT&T and Sprint troll this website…. They have those services for whatever reason, wanted to pay more, got drunk and signed a contract, perceived better value, coverage, etc….whatever. Now that they have sobered up and the honeymoon is over, now they are watching T-Mobile to see what excitement is going on (very little can be said for the other carriers doing anything exciting… I should know, I’ve had them all during recent years.) Anyway, they secretly really want to switch to TMUS becuase they know in their heart it is the best value in the American market…. but while they mull over and try to get over their own inadequcies, maybe they have brand envy and are worried their troll friends will think less of them if they go slumming with TMUS…. I get carried away…. bottom line, they REALLY want to switch, but for some reason are just too chicken to pull the trigger.

    • MC Mickey Lee

      Aman!

    • Omar Boyer

      i switched to tmobile from att n dont care what people think , i had 2 lines on att canceled mine and kept my moms since my mom REFUSED to get tmobile . Shes like we all know tmobile is crap outside LA so ill stick with att since i know ill have dependable service when i travel ,and well she does travel alot for work so att is a must for her.

      • Jay J. Blanco

        Tmobile will be launching 700mhz by 3Q 2015 Los Angeles just got approved by FCC because the TV station that was blocking tmobile deployment has successfully relocated

    • Tmo1082

      Or they work for AT&T, Verizon, or Sprint and are jealous that they don’t have a blog.

    • Mr Paul
      • What is Mr Pauls Motive here?

        Mr Paul, you really need to get a life…. I just cant fathom *why* you waste so much time bashing a company you are not even a customer of. I know there is a reason and you are not being forthcoming with the truth. My best and only guess is that you are a shill for the competition and are compensated in some way for the negative propaganda your constantly spreading on this site. Other than that, TMUS must have really done something horrible like killed your cat or something for you to HATE them so much you spend your days and nights trying to put them out of business? Or…. maybe when you was a baby, you got dropped on your head a few too many times?

        • Mr Paul

          Did you not just waste your own time writing that? lol?

    • KingCobra

      Or to make it simpler, just enjoy trolling. This is the internet after all. But yeah it’s like a guy who loves iPhones going over to an Android forum constantly trying to tell them why the iPhone is better day in and day out. Some just enjoy trolling. Let them be.

    • Spanky

      Could it possibly be that folks with Verizon and AT&T (not sure about Sprint) want better coverage and building penetration?

  • Jay J. Blanco

    T-mobile is all green to launch 700mhz in LA/ Southern California

  • Moi

    How fast is this new network supposed to be? Sorry, I haven’t kept updated with cellphone/carriers new lately. I live in LA, has this network gone life here yet?
    Thanks and sorry for sounding so clueless