Petition To End Verizon Wireless Contracts, Adopt T-Mobile-Style Approach Nears 100,000 Signatures

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As Verizon changes its policies for the worse with lengthier timeframes to upgrade, customers are fighting back and petitioning the company to drop contracts altogether. Using T-Mobile’s new Simple Choice approach as a basis for the argument, Mike Beauchamp is gathering signatures by the truckload.

In one sense, Verizon is already taking at least a step in the right direction even as they extend upgrade rules by allowing device payment plans on smartphones later this year.

Customers also have the option of purchasing a phone at full price at any point before their contract expires and beginning April 21, some devices will be available for purchase through the Verizon Wireless Device Payment Plan.

The bottom line in Beauchamp’s argument is exactly what you would expect, that contracts are the root of all evil. Ok so that’s only partially true, but Beauchamp does argue that as devices roll out faster than our two-year contracts end, we’re stuck with outdated equipment time and time again as we wait for two years to come up. As for how T-Mobile is handling their new Simple Choice plans, Beauchamp highlights:

Under this model, you’re paying full MSRP for your device, so your carrier has no vested interest in making back that subsidy (discounted phone price they gave you up front) over the span of your contract. If anything, they’re even more incentivized to continue maintaining and improving the quality of their network to keep you as a customer, instead of relying on the fact that you’re tied into a multi-year contract which forces you to say.

Beauchamp concludes that getting rid of contracts is a win for customers, something T-Mobile’s newly minted CEO John Legere has expressed, often in vulgar detail. “Getting rid of carrier contracts is a win for customers.” That’s very true and while I’m not thrilled about the idea that it takes 100,000+ signatures for a company to finally realize their customers deserve better, I’m glad to see Verizon customers take matters into their own hands.

So, if you’re asking why I’m posting this this morning, it’s because now T-Mobile has the advantage of being the only national carrier to attempt a paradigm shift away from the industry. Verizon customers, to date 94,110 of them which admittedly makes up less than 1% of Verizon’s total customer base see that T-Mobile is moving in the right direction. These are the customers T-Mobile needs to continue to work to gain. As Verizon is typically the most rigid and disciplined of all US carriers, the percentage likelihood they will give this petition any real consideration is somewhere in the single digits. Perhaps T-Mobile should focus on Verizon customers and highlight the next upgrade rules against T-Mobile’s upgrade when you pay off your device policy. T-Mobile has the advantage now and it’s clear that wireless customers deserve better and want better and now is the time for T-Mobile to strike, while the metaphorical iron is hot.

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  • PiCASSiMO

    Happy the ball is rolling… maybe changes will come.

  • Tmo _ employee

    This is the time for Tmobile to offer a port in credit for vzw customers

    • thepanttherlady

      That would be a great idea but why stop there? Why not offer the same discount to AT&T & Sprint customers as well?

    • tmobiley

      not many who use VzW really care about costs, they care about coverage and speed.

      • ceegii63

        and its those idiots who are keeping the prices high on VZW

        • Ike

          It’s not that
          they are idiots. They are wealthier customers and pay their bills on time so
          what would a contract hurt? Contracts mostly hurt people who make low income because they don’t have the money to
          keep paying for a phone for two years straight then they break the contract by
          not paying the bill and owe even more money. Then their credit goes bad.
          Contracts are Bad because they lock you into something you may not want later
          on but at the same time they don’t hurt anybody unless you can’t afford it.

        • Dimitri Gatsiopoulos

          I agree with what you said but just for the sake of argument I want to point out that those people that cant afford it in the first place shouldn’t put it on credit. That’s how they get stuck with bad credit because they can’t keep up their payments. And that happens all the time on any carrier. My rule of thumb when charging for something is, do I have enough money right now to pay it off and be ok with the rest of my bills or will I be able to pay it off promptly if I do charge it. Say 3-5 months. If you can’t afford it and don’t Neeeeed it, don’t charge it.

          Verizon and AT&T suck in many areas. They are expensive and well a rip off in the areas they do not have great coverage. Yet people still pay them. People who pay out the butt for unlimited everything when they do not need it are idiots no matter what carrier they are on. They don’t take the time to look at their bill and see how many minutes that they actually use. I use about 300 because of free night and weekends and also free T-mo to T-mo. I pay $59.99 a month for unlimited data, unlimited texts and 1000. Saved me back when my plan was available about $20 over the completely unlimited plan. I dont need unlimited minutes. If they offered a 500 min plan I’d be all over it.

        • De’Marcus Kourage Winbush

          You are right. Verizon is the Hummer than everyone wants to have. But if you can only afford a Honda, you gotta get that Honda. You get better coverage, devices on Verizon because of what you pay. Tmobile doesn’t have the coverage so why would

        • De’Marcus Kourage Winbush

          They dare charge you for coverage when they still on Edge or 2G. Tmobile knows they’re coverage isn’t the best so the way to try to attract people is prices for the people that can’t afford Verizon. Speed means nothing if I can’t make or receive calls.

        • De’Marcus Kourage Winbush

          I’m so tried of Tmobile talking about how fast they are but barely has LTE. They never talk about their call quality and they towers have not improved in 10 years that I was with them. Service is more important than speed people.

        • John

          I have never dropped a call since 2009, not a single call. My non LTE, which is HSPA42+ outruns VZW LTE here. The only benefit of LTE is a higher upload speed. Guess what, I don’t upload much, so why the hell would I care if I’m uploading at my 3Mbps or at VZW’s 7? You speak about T-Mobile as if you’re someone who’s never had them imo.

        • Dimitri Gatsiopoulos

          I agree. HSPA+42 is just as fast and sometimes faster. It’s faster than my home network at 12Mbps. I get 18-25Mbps down on my Amaze. Anything over 3Mbps upload is great considering most peoples homes only get 1Mbps upload.

        • Dimitri Gatsiopoulos

          T-mobiles HSPA+ is just as fast or faster than LTE in many major markets. Major being the key word. My cousins iPhone 5 on ATT gets about 7-10mbps while I get an average of 18-22Mbps on HSPA+ with the Amaze 4G. Everything always depends on area and the network coverage. AT&T has literally terrible coverage where I am in Denver and in Ft. Collins. Yet people pay a premium for their service while T-mobile has better coverage here.

          It’s all about where you live. T-mobile doesn’t have the best rural coverage and that sucks. Not for me, but for all those people that can’t enjoy the price of T-mobile or their network. The plus side is that it is about to change. T-mobile’s merger with Metro PCS will help out with the rural areas where Metro is available. The contract with AT&T to share towers will help. Also the fact that T-mobile is rolling out LTE-A not just LTE will put it well ahead of the game by next year.

          It annoys me that verizon claims they have the Largest 4G LTE market (which they do) and puts down T-mobiles 4G HSPA+ like it’s slow. Their commercials with the graphs alway show T-mobile with no 4G LTE but the truth is that their HSPA+ is just as fast and covers more people than any carriers LTE network.

        • JaswinderSinghJammu

          Hummer is a POS. That’s why they don’t make anymore and GM couldn’t even dump it on to the Chinese group. I would take a hummer over my Honda even it was free..

        • 21stNow

          Someone is an idiot because he cares about coverage? That makes no sense. Cellular service is useless without coverage where you live, work and travel. I tend to stay in areas that are well-covered by the four major carriers. However, many people in America can’t say that, especially when considering T-Mobile’s coverage.

        • Spanky

          Thank you! I’m one of the people who can’t say that, even though I live in a major metropolitan area.

        • Dion Mac

          I think he was saying that Verizon keeps their prices high b/c Verizon customer let them. Not that there idiots b/c they want coverage.

        • my49montlhy

          yeah but they can easily go to striaght talk verizon or page plus.. and payless

        • 21stNow

          And not have access to LTE. This isn’t a desirable option for many people.

        • Spanky

          Why are they idiots? Could it be possible that they live in an area where T-Mobile’s coverage is less than adequate?

        • macman37

          Most people also care about maintaining their current phone call when going into buildings and traveling into the countryside {rural} – 2 major things that T-Mobile needs a lot of improvement on. Hopefully, this will change when T-Mobile attempts to acquire some 600Mhz spectrum when the FCC auctions it off. They were able to get the DoJ on their side for most of their argument when it comes to the smaller carriers like them and Sprint having a fair and ample opportunity at acquiring some, instead of letting the Big 2 {AT&T and Verizon} hogging it up. Hopefully, their argument will convince the FCC the same way it did with the DoJ. Lower frequencies travel further and have better obstacle penetration – and this is what preventing most customers of Verizon and AT&T from making the switch to T-Mobile.

      • Milad

        You are right since i am one of those people but it looks like Tmobile is doing pretty good maybe not with their LTE yet but their HSPA+42 is pretty good to make someone jump ship …

      • jhartsb

        Speed? Well if you have LTE then yes, but even with LTE its not worth it for me as it is pretty inconsistent in my area.

    • fsured

      Isn’t Sprint advertising against Tmobile with $100 credit? It’s a good idea but how would Tmobile offer this credit to the customer? If people are at the end of their contracts then it’s a good deal but if they have to break it and pay ETFs then giving this credit in a fashion that can be used to help pay that would great. I would also assume a person would need to transfer their phone number to Tmobile as that would prove a change of service from their original carrier. Either way go for those VZW customers as more people than the ones who know about the petition probably have the same sentiment.

      • thepanttherlady

        Customer’s from other carriers porting over their numbers is exactly how the credit would need to work. Either towards the down payment of a phone or as a credit on their account.

    • Milad

      I have one line on Verizon iphone 5 ( mine) and two line on Tmobile and six lines on Sprint , i would like to move to Tmobile but there’s a lot of ETFs to do ….
      “This is the time for Tmobile to offer a port in credit for vzw customers”and all the rest Sprint AT&T …Agreed….

  • archie53

    almost a hundred thousand, they have 93 million customers, do you think they’re really gonna listen

  • ceegii63

    Verizon: 100,000 of you won’t even make a dent on our bottom line so SCREW YOU!

    am i right Verizon

  • GwapoAko

    And yet even you pay the phone at full price, they will still charge you arm and leg on their rates!!! Bwahahahha

    • 21stNow

      Verizon Wireless is also charging a financing fee for the installment payments. Money money money money…money!

  • Chris

    I wish t-mobile’s service coverage was better. I’m getting married this summer and my fiancee is just about refusing to join T-Mobile, and honestly, I don’t blame her.

    She has (the evil and vile) ATT right now, and she gets 3G (still using the OG Atrix) everywhere we go. She doesn’t drop calls (I don’t either). Her bill’s a little more than mine, but it’s worth it to have service all over rather than the fastest if you can get it.

    I refuse to go to ATT, so we’re talking about switching to verizon, but being locked onto those CDMA phones is making me queezy. Her work recently got WiFi, so she’s starting to be a little more accepting of t-mobile (one of the main reasons she didn’t wanna go to tmobile is there’s GPRS at her work!!!!!).

    I’m really hoping this LTE rollout is more than just upgrading from HSPA+ (which imo is already really fast and reliable) to LTE, and more about Edge to HSPA+/LTE.

    Please t-mobile. Get more coverage!!!!!!

    • tmobiley

      this marriage doesn’t sound like it will last long…

      • Dion Mac

        The worst comment I’ve seen to date!

        • just me

          Agreed. A very crass comment. OP’s main point was about coverage, but this jerk makes some hurtful and rude remark about a future marriage? There should be a voting system to delete comments.

        • gummybear

          20 other people seem to think otherwise .. my guess is it was a smart quip rather than meant to be hurtful

    • http://profiles.google.com/mrice.hill Mr. Hill

      Yeah she can use WiFi calling at work.

    • S DELAMERENS

      I have an I5 and use Line2 for Wi-fi access. Line2 works on both Android and Ios.

    • jhartsb

      What ever you do stay far away from verizon. There is ZERO customer freedom with them. I think your best bet is to just stay with tmobile or go prepaid on straight talk or something.

  • JustSaying

    I love seeing people with dumb phones on Verizon… as if choosing Verizon would be cheaper.. wow

  • NuShrike

    The only petition Verizon will listen to is the one made by wallets canceling and moving to T-Mobile.

    Same as leaving big banks for Credit Unions. Wise up.

    • SouthernBlackNerd

      Exactly. 100,000 signatures does not even show up on their radar. They had 667,000 adds this quarter and 2.1 million in q4. you think they really care about 100,000 people. Even if all those people were on Verizon( which is not likely), it would still not cause subscriber loss.

      For Verizon, ATT, or Sprint to see the message, they are going to need subscriber loss in the millions( tens of millions for the duopoly).

      • Dion Mac

        Ok where are these subscriber gains coming from? I’m not saying that your wrong, but if T-Mobile didnt lose 2.1 million customers and both at&t and Sprint gained customers AND the market is 97% saturated… where tf are these people coming from? Im lost!

        • SouthernBlackNerd

          Maybe people have multiple devices with multiple companies or maybe they count each device( tablet and phones) as separate devices. There definitely is overlap.

          you should be asking verizon where their numbers come from. they are the ones reporting it on their earnings reports. I do not make up these numbers. they are the one given on official reports to investors.

          http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/18/verizon-q1-2013/#comments
          http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/22/verizon-q4-2012-financials/

        • 21stNow

          AT&T pushes the whole “add a line for $10 to get the phone at the upgrade price” to customers who want a new phone and are not upgrade eligible. Many people go for this. That gives AT&T and I’m sure VZW, too, subscriber numbers that exceed the number of actual people using their services.

  • 21stNow

    Since I’m a VZW customer, too, I’ll sign the petition. I want all carriers to drop contracts.

    • http://profiles.google.com/mrice.hill Mr. Hill

      I’m going to sign it too but at the end of the day what’s going to make Verizon listen is people taking their money elsewhere and canceling.

  • bob90210

    I signed my petition already when I canceled their service.

  • Dakota

    If T-Mobile is successful, others will follow. AT&T and Verizon have said as much. They have no reason to change now since they’re policies have clearly made them 1&2 ….esp VZ which forced share plans and further increased rates

    • http://profiles.google.com/mrice.hill Mr. Hill

      It’s not their policies, it’s their coverage. There are too many areas where Verizon/AT&T are the only reliable option. Hopefully T-Mobile gains subscribers and revenue this year and can further increase their coverage.

  • zac

    I thought it was majorly un-uncarier of T-Mo to charge me for a SIM Kit when I signed up last week. Lame.

    • CRT24

      Would you rather pay the $35 act fee that the $10 sim starter kit replaced?

  • conservative_motorcyclist

    T-Mobile should offer a “Last Bill” credit to cover the ETF of all customers “jumping ship” to T-mobile. That would be HUGE.

    Maybe something simple like, “Bring your number to T-Mobile. When you receive your last bill from your old carrier, send it to us and we will pay your ETF.”

    Or even simpler: Show how much you can save with a Simple Choice plan and a new cell phone over the first year while paying the ETF.

    • http://profiles.google.com/mrice.hill Mr. Hill

      It would cost them too much money. Since the rate plans are no contract, what’s to stop customers from coming over and getting their ETF paid off and then just leaving the next month? Too much risk.

    • you

      I knew a guy who worked at a T-Mobile retail store who would tell customer he would pay their etf with another carrier. In fact he would call Verizon or Att and just put it on a 24 month military suspension. He made his money and left after a year. He told me he could care less what those people would do after they started getting billed again after two years of suspension.

  • purenupe1

    A contract is a contract no matter how you word it…2 years of EIP or or 2 years of industry standard subsidy. If you cant walk away free and clear at any point then its a contact. The higher full retail costs aren’t a plus either. With as many manufacturers out there I would have thought competition would have lowered costs, but the $599 average full price seems to be set in stone. Consumers should take into account employer discounts before choosing a carrier, I learned the hard way that a employer discount used on T-mo equals standard 2 year contract that you cant give back even if you say remove the discount (I tried after 60 days)

    • thepanttherlady

      It’s so tiring to hear people complain how they’re expected to pay the balance of their device off if they cancel. Your credit card and utility companies all expect payment in full when you cancel (without a contract), why should cell phone companies be any different?

      How about not buying a phone you can’t afford to begin with?

      • purenupe1

        You are missing the point, the No contract advertising is my complaint when in fact 2 years of EIP is a contract. READ the post in full fan chick

        • thepanttherlady

          No point was missed.

          T-Mobile does not require anyone to purchase a phone using their generous ZERO percent LOAN. Of course they expect the consumer to pay the loan in full if they leave. As would any other “lender”.

          Buy your phone outright and you don’t have to worry about the proverbial “contract”, right?

          BTW…how mature it is to call names when one doesn’t agree with a post. Nice.

        • Don Kim

          T-Mo’s Value Plan is like no contract prepaid plan + payment plan for the phone.

          It’s not the same as subsidy.
          Yeah, you would be under 24 months payment plan which you can pay off any time you want, if you want a new phone, trade in your old one and get credit for it. Make another lowest out of pocket down payment and get a new phone ANY TIME YOU WANT.
          Now, tell me the 2 things are the same.

        • Shawndh

          I’m not understanding your argument. Are you saying that even with the new plans you’re being locked into a traditional 2 year contract because you have corporate discounts?

        • just me

          Yeah, I hadn’t heard that before, I’ll have to check up on it. But I suspect he’s not on the new Simple Choice Value Plan. My guess is he either got on a classic plan at a 3rd-party dealer or or signed up before March 24th.

        • superg05

          its not 2 yrs if you pay it off early or pay more a month of your choosing whenever you can spare if its 2 years for anyone its cause your like paying a minimum balance on a credit card

        • William Brubaker

          OK so first of all its obvious just looking at your post history that you are the definition of TROLL. But I digress. I think the point here is that you are never obligated to T-mobile for a length of time, only a dollar amount. How much time you take to pay that dollar amount is up to you. but once that is paid, all you have to pay for is services rendered. Here’s another way; think of it as if your car payment and the gas to power your car came in the same bill and the only thing your obligated to pay are the cost of the car and the gas you’ve used. Pretty easy to understand right?

    • bob90210

      The service plans have no contract. Obviously, the EIP has contract. If you don’t like the contract on the EIP then you’re free to buy you phone from some other place. You still have the savings on the plans.

    • TechHog

      So, what you’re saying is that T-Mobile should be offering a subsidy AND no contract? Yeah, that sounds sustainable. I’m sure that nobody would just buy the phone and leave T-Mobile the next day, costing T-Mobile hundreds of dollars, if that happened.

      You’re spoiled by subsidies. Seriously, you might as well be saying that T-Mobile should giving phones and service for free.

      • taron19119

        T Mobile does offer a subsidies and no contract for example iPhone 5 is $70 cheaper then what Apple is charged the full price

        • TechHog

          I wouldn’t really call that a subsidy. T-Mobile probably still profits from that sale.

        • taron19119

          not true at all that’s why if you paid full price all at once they make you do 40 days of service be for they unlock it they make the money back after one month of service

        • TechHog

          So, you think all retailers sell the iPhone 5 without any profit?

        • taron19119

          nope but that’s what you have to pay full price or in this case do one month of service so they can make back there $70

        • TechHog

          They make up their $70 by charging you $50? And all retailers who sell the iPhone 5 make less than $70 profit? Yeah, that’s totally believable.

        • taron19119

          what are you talking about you have to do 40 days of service which is two months of bills so if you pay $50 a month you the will make a hundred dollars

        • TechHog

          You don’t get your first bill until a month after you start your service

        • taron19119

          true but that’s only 30 days the other 10 days guarantees that you have to pay for a second month of service

        • TechHog

          I guess you’re right, but it’s still 100% impossible that the iPhone 5 only has a $70 or less mark-up. Nobody except Apple and the carriers themselves would sell it in that case

        • taron19119

          that’s not true paying full price means that everybody makes profit right away but when I you do the iPhone on substidy you have to get 24 months befor you make a return and profit

        • TechHog

          I’m obviously talking about when buying at full price here, since that’s what we’ve been arguing about this whole time.

        • taron19119

          yeah but I’m trying to make a point that the iPhone has very low profit margins and the reason why everybody sells it is because of the popularity looking at Sprint they won’t make a profit off of the iPhone until 2015

        • WW

          If you cancel, that extra 10 days isn’t billed as a second month…it’s pro-rated so if your monthly bill is $60, you pay $20 (10 days = 1/3 or a month, $20 = 1/3 of $60) for that final 10 days of service.

        • taron19119

          okay cancel after 30 days and you’ll be bill the full price Apple charges for the iPhone 5 not did discount did price T Mobile charges

        • WW

          I think you are misunderstanding…If you cancel after 40 days, you pay for 40 days worth of service, not 60 days of service

          I can’t speak to the them charging full Apple retail if you cancel after 40 days but I’m saying that if you pay your first month (30 days give or take) then pay for your second month then cancel 10 days into the 2nd month, they’ll refund you for the remaining 20 days (give or take) left in that 2nd month.

        • Guest

          retailers and other carriers markup for profit these devices are actual prices

        • TechHog

          I’m not sure what you’re saying…

  • gates

    verizon customer base = 120,000,000
    Petition list========== 100,000

    • thepanttherlady

      Baby steps, gates. Lots and lots of baby steps. :)

      • Dion Mac

        93 million baby step lol

  • http://profiles.google.com/mrice.hill Mr. Hill

    Just moved 3 of my 5 lines from Verizon to T-Mobile. Only reason the other 2 will stay there for now is because they cannot afford to pay the ETFs and they don’t use very much data on their iPhones anyway.

  • taron19119

    Verizon is having a big event at ctia 2013 and it’s rumored Verizon will drop contract

    • bob90210

      Verizon will not have a real no-contract option until T-Mobile’s model is successful and significantly reduces Verizon’s subscriber base. So don’t hold your breath waiting for flying pigs.

      • taron19119

        I really don’t care what Verizon does its just funny now people are trying to get Verizon to do the same thing at T Mobile is doing

  • mbcls

    fool!
    are people really that dumb?? doesn’t matter you pay the phone in 24
    months or pay it off quickly, you still paying full price for the
    phone! on att, plan starts at 39.99+30 data =69.99 a month and you
    getting galaxy at 199$. tmobile no contract plan starts at 70$ plus
    full price 650$ for the phone! where is the saving??

    • Rielle

      That only includes data and voice, adding unlimited texting is an additional $20. T-Mobile’s unlimited everything plan is $70.

      • mbcls

        why you need unlimited texting plan?? google voice gives you FREE unlimited incoming and outgoing texts!

        • Rielle

          If you’re going to compare the plans and say AT&T is cheaper, they at least need to be comparable plans.

        • mbcls

          arent we all here try to save a few bucks? it’ about saving! again, why you need unlimited texting plan? google voice gives you FREE unlimited incoming and outgoing texts!

        • vladyfresh

          comparing the two minimum plans that your GS3 will require you to have

          AT&T
          mins:450 (unl n/w m2m)
          text: unl
          data: 3 gb (CAPPED)
          price:79.99
          phone:$199
          contract: yes 2yrs ($300-$375 ETF)

          T-Mobile
          mins: UNL
          text : UNL
          data: UNL (2gb @ 4g)
          price:$60
          phone: $70 out of pocket (eip $20 x 24 )
          contract: NO

          and yes you can make the argument that you don’t need UNL text because of Google voice. then when Google voice has an problem no ones receiving you messages or who do you complain to about it.. not AT&T… now you have to rely on not only at&t network but also Google. now the only argument left is our coverage. I’m a rep in Northridge CA (Los Angeles) so i can at least tell you that the coverage in LA is comparable to Verizon

        • vladyfresh

          oh and btw if you pay the compared $199 for gs3 on you down with t-mobile then you eip will be reduced from $20 to $12.5. so no all in all you plan is 72.5 =D

        • mbcls

          ” then when Google voice has an problem no ones receiving you messages or who do you complain to about it..”

          yeah. “WHAT IF”. just like i having OOMA, free home phone service! it uses your internet connection to call and receive calls! my dumb brother and dumb brother in-law said “what if ooma going out of business? then you wasted 199$ on that OOMA device!” i have OOMA for like 3 years now! i havnt pay home phone service for 3 years now! i used to have PacBell home phone, they charging me 30$ a month with caller ID! i havnt pay home phone bill over 3 years now! how much did i already save? you keep saying “WHAT IF” and pay more each month while my money is going to the bank!

        • Kenan Jackson

          And if your Internet service is down? What about a power outage? Those are very real “what ifs”.

        • mbcls

          yeah. you keep worry about “WHAT IF”. what if i have a car accident? what if i get murdered outside? well, better stay inside the cave all your life then!

        • Kenan Jackson

          Peace, dude. No one is insulting you. Have a good night.

        • mbcls

          what insult? how do you think people get rich? they smart about money! you think people get rich by wasting money?

        • VLADYFRESH

          LMFAO I LOVE YOU LOGIC

        • vladyfresh

          so what your telling me is that you wouldn’t pay $2.50 more then on AT&T to get unl text and unl data on t mobile???

        • mbcls

          why pay more when you dont have to! that is calls.. wasting money!

        • vladyfresh

          so let me get this straight and please correct me if i’m wrong ( im sorry for reposting)

          AT&T (your choice)
          mins:450 (unl n/w m2m)
          text: none
          data: 3 gb (CAPPED)
          price: 69.99
          phone:$199
          contract: yes 2yrs ($300-$375 ETF)

          T-Mobile (everyone else)
          mins: UNL
          text : UNL
          data: UNL (2gb @ 4g)
          price:$60
          phone: $199 out of pocket (eip $12.5 x 24 )
          contract: NO

        • WW

          You may or may not need unlimited texting but it’s there and included and still cheaper than any other national carrier.

    • Kenan Jackson

      You pay the remaining cost of the phone over your 2 years on AT&T. At no point under a traditional contact can you choose to pay off your phone and have your bill drop. Nor can you sign up for service with AT&T with a phone you already own and pay less than someone with a subsidy.

    • http://profiles.google.com/mrice.hill Mr. Hill

      Google Voice can’t even send MMS and must have a good data signal to work. It’s also a totally different number from the one on your phone. You HAVE to get unlimited text on AT&T or else you will be stuck with only 450 voice minutes and paying per text message. So AT&T starts at $89.99 minimum. $90 x24 plus $200 for iPhone is $2360.

      T-Mobile comparable plan for 2.5GB of data w/hotspot plus $100 upfront and $20 payments factored in is $80 x 24 $1920

      Increase the data allowance and it gets even worse for AT&T users. Add $50 for 5GB instead of 3GB and you have $109.99. $110 x 24 plus $200 for the phone = $2840

      T-Mobile unlimited data (which AT&T doesn’t even offer) is $70 per month, $90 with phone payments factored in plus $100 upfront for the phone and you get $90 x 24 which is $2260. With those savings you could’ve just bought your smartphone outright.

      Add multiple lines for family plans and the gap in price really gets large.

      • WW

        That’s for a $570 T-Mobile phone…the “$20 payments factored in” is actually even lower if you buy a lower priced phone. Don’t forget, TMo doesn’t charge an activation fee any longer either.

    • vladfresh_the_closer

      oh and btw…. full price of the GS3 on Tmobile is $550 not $650…. what happened bro no more objections… Closer baby!!!!!!

    • memyself&i

      are you kidding? $69.99 is the price of the unlimited talk only. add$20 for unlimited messaging. and $20 more for 300mb data. after some space quantum black whole maths (that u re not gonna get) the total would be $109.99. For a slightly equal plan with tmobile (everything unlimited but 500 mob instead of 300) u ll have to pay 50$ only.

  • Milad

    I have one line on Verizon iphone 5 ( mine) and two line on Tmobile and six lines on Sprint , i would like to move to Tmobile but there’s a lot of ETFs to do ….
    “This is the time for Tmobile to offer a port in credit for vzw customers”…Agreed….

    • William Brubaker

      Actually I have a rep who would gladly give you some port in credits. She works in the small biz end of tmobile but would love your acitvations for those credits. And no it does not have to be a small business account..

  • JayMoney88

    LMAO they could get 1 million signatures and Verizon would still shrug it off like its nothing. Yes, we as T-Mobile are going in the best direction for the customer but Verizon still has the largest customer base, the fastest 4G and the largest network footprint. Unless we can vastly improve our signal in many areas Verizon will only see that petition as a minor annoyance that will soon blow over.

  • my49montlhy

    all verizon customers that care so much about coverage should just go to straight talk verizon or pageplus… both verizon mvno

  • superg05

    Don’t you love how this shows how much T-mobile has really stirred up the Bee’s nest
    Congrats T-mobile

  • jhartsb

    My family switched to tmobile for one day this week from verizon…It was great, for me at least. But just one person in the family has connection problems and here we are back on overpriced crap verizon with the new share everything plans, leaving everyone with only one gig a month, just to get close to tmobiles price.

    • http://profiles.google.com/mrice.hill Mr. Hill

      Wow you all are sharing 1GB of data?

      That’s the main reason I left Verizon, coverage was great and LTE everywhere but I found myself constantly having to increase the data plan on our account. Went all the way up to 10GB last month. Ported away the 3 lines on my account that used the most data to T-Mobile for unlimited (and cheaper) bills. Dropped the share plan down to 2GB to share between the other 2 since T-Mobile doesn’t have 3G where they live.

    • Alex Zapata

      Only one gig?! I can’t even imagine using that little data on my own, let alone sharing it. I’m already at 40 gigs for this billing cycle.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mario.bastunetti Mario Bastunetti

    I do not understand the big discussion. If you want to be free of a verizon contract, go to verizon and buy a device at the full retail price (same as T-mobile) and you do not have to extend or sign a new contract! Where is the big confusion coming from? When you buy a device at T-Mobile, you can pay upfront or you can be billed for 12 months with an interest charge ( you commit to a financial contract for 12 months or more). You can do the same by putting it on a credit card and make monthly payments with an interest charge. It is all marketing, you either pay up front for your device and pay your monthly service charge, or finance the device and pay interest + your monthly service charge without having a contract. Or you get the device at a discounted price and sign a contract. If you break your contract you pay a penalty, and the money is used to pay for the device you got discounted in the first place. I.E if you buy an Iphone 5 16GB at the full retail price for $649.99 + interest, you do not need to sign a contract ! If you buy the same phone with a 2 year contract you pay $199.99 and if you break the contract the termination fee is $350 and every month the termination fee drops by $5 or $10 !

    You can use Verizon anywhere in the US with minimal exceptions and T-mobile you can only use on major highways and big cities in a swiss cheese coverage ! Not worth the savings for the lack of coverage!

    Now lets do some math: $649.99+ interest or $199+$350

    Discuss!!!

    • superg05

      you pay the same phone subsidized rate like your getting a new phone with Verizon and at&t even if you bring your own device or buy it in full and that’s the problem

      • WW

        This is a huge loss for the subsidized contract customer since he is paying for a new phone but not getting a new phone.

        A huge win for the carrier since the customer paid full price for that phone and yet is still making monthly payments on the phone they already paid for.

        Maybe they got a good deal on a used phone but are still paying for a phone they never received (from the carrier) every damn month.

    • WW

      With T-Mobile, you can pay up front but if you choose to be “billed for 12 months”, there is NO INTEREST charge.

      If your credit doesn’t qualify you for the $99 down payment, they also have other (not paid up front) NO INTEREST options such as $199 down payment and smaller monthly NO INTEREST payments.

      • thepanttherlady

        It’s 24 months.

        • WW

          I’m aware…I was just quoting the poster as indicated by my quotation marks.

        • WW

          BTW, I didn’t downvote your comment.

        • thepanttherlady

          I found long ago that people will down vote you just because they don’t “virtually” like you. I don’t pay attention to them because they mean nothing to me in real life. :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/mario.bastunetti Mario Bastunetti

    I do not understand the big discussion. If you want to be free of a verizon contract, go to verizon and buy a device at the full retail price (same as T-mobile) and you do not have to extend or sign a new contract! Where is the big confusion coming from? When you buy a device at T-Mobile, you can pay upfront or you can be billed for 12 months with an interest charge ( you commit to a financial contract for 12 months or more). You can do the same by putting it on a credit card and make monthly payments with an interest charge. It is all marketing, you either pay up front for your device and pay your monthly service charge, or finance the device and pay interest + your monthly service charge without having a contract. Or you get the device at a discounted price and sign a contract. If you break your contract you pay a penalty, and the money is used to pay for the device you got discounted in the first place. I.E if you buy an Iphone 5 16GB at the full retail price for $649.99 + interest, you do not need to sign a contract ! If you buy the same phone with a 2 year contract you pay $199.99 and if you break the contract the termination fee is $350 and every month the termination fee drops by $5 or $10 !

    You can use Verizon anywhere in the US with minimal exceptions and T-mobile you can only use on major highways and big cities in a swiss cheese coverage ! Not worth the savings for the lack of coverage!

    Now lets do some math: $649.99+ interest or $199+$350

    Discuss!!!

    • http://profiles.google.com/mrice.hill Mr. Hill

      You’re misinformed, there is no interest on T-Mobile financing so that makes it better than using your credit card.

      Also with T-Mobile your monthly rate plans are cheaper if you choose to buy your phone outright (hell even with the $20 per month it’s still cheaper than Verizon’s lowest plan that only gives a pathetic 1GB of data).
      A math lesson:
      Since Verizon doesn’t have an unlimited plan, let’s compare the 2GB share plan with the T-Mobile 2.5GB plan. Assuming both customers are buying an iPhone 5 from the carriers.
      Verizon: $200 upfront +$100 per month for 24 months = $2600
      T-Mobile: $100 upfront + $80 ($60 for the plan, $20 for the phone payments) per month for 24 months = $2020
      $580 difference and no $15 overages on T-Mobile if you go over your limit. For heavy data users Verizon isn’t even an option unless you’re willing to pay hundreds of dollars for 6-10GB of data.

      I just took 3 of my 5 lines from Verizon to T-Mobile. LTE network on Verizon was amazing and everywhere but it’s useless with capped data. Plus I don’t go into the boonies enough for it to be worth the overpriced premium.

    • bob90210

      You’re correct. You can get a no contract plan form verizon if you buy or bring your own phone. However, the no contract plan has the same monthly cost as the contract plan even though there is phone to subsidize. Essentially, it cost $20 a month to have a no contract plan.

      With T-Mobile you keep the $20 every month.

      • superg05

        or pay it off early and it wont be 20 months

  • Brad Pitt

    Adapt or die.

  • Oliver Jackson

    You have to admit the coverage and reception is why Verizon is top alpha dog but it’s time for them to get off their high horse and get real.I’m sure TMo is focusing on those 100.000 signatures.2013 is going to be pretty interesting.

  • you

    Even if all 100,000 left Verizon and switched to Tmobile it wouldn’t mean anything for big Red or Magenta…..

  • Leaving T-Mobile

    funny. I’m leaving T-Mobile going to Verizon because T-Mobile doesn’t give me signal at work. I have co workers who have both AT&T and Verizon and we put our phones on my desk and guess who has to go outside to get a signal??? Yep ME. With T-Mobile. Leaving leaving leaving is all I gotta say. My contract is up next month and I’ve suffered enough through NOT having a freakin signal when I most need it. Those stupid commercials kill me about 4G. Goodbye T-Mobile. I don’t care about the price of the phone, I just want SERVICE where I can use my phone. Not have a circle with a line through it when I need it the most!

    • WW

      A quite valid reason for leaving a carrier.

  • bronxboi

    T-mobile is great until you have to take a road trip. On a trip from Houston to NYC, I was out of Service for about thirty minutes in total. Mostly around mountains and in deeply wooded isolated areas. That was on Sprint. My friend on T-mobile lost service for about 5-6 hours total. That was three years ago so maybe it has gotten better but T-mobile is strongest in urban areas not “out there”

  • http://twitter.com/Joegar43 Jeremiah

    Well i am on the T-Mobile 70$ monthly 4Gs it’s a great plan I average about 14.5 GB of data each month. My coverage area is awesome never had a dropped call and my data speeds are great on my nexus4 and LG l9.:-)

    • WW

      I have 5 lines of unlimited talk, text and data (throttled at various thresholds) for $130 (includes $10 loyalty & employer discount).

      Even prepaid carriers can’t come close to that.

      • WW

        We have a total of over 6GB of data before we’re throttled. If anyone goes over their cap, a call to CS and we’re un-throttled for $10 times the % of the month remaining…if we’re 20 days into the billing cycle (10 days remaining), it only costs $3.33 for another 2GB of data.

  • WW

    I love the contracts…As long as the big 3 carriers continue along that line, it puts T-Mobile in a better competitive position so, Verizon, don’t cave to those ridiculous demands from your customers.