Dish Network writes letter to FCC over T-Mobile’s premature Sprint CDMA shutdown date

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A month ago, Dish Network called T-Mobile “anti-competitive” because of its premature CDMA shutdown date. Today, it looks like Dish is taking its disappointment over T-Mobile seriously by writing a letter to the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). 

In the letter, Dish accused T-Mo of being “Un-Carrier”. They also highlighted a number of issues they have with T-Mobile, including its current spectrum policies. But the key issue that Dish is claiming against T-Mobile continues to be its aggressive timeline for its Sprint CDMA network shutdown. According to Dish, this premature event will hurt over 9 million of its wireless customers. 

Considering Dish is still a new entry to the mobile industry, they still depend on T-Mobile for its network services. And they have enough reason for doing so, since it was part of the merger conditions. When Dish agreed to buy Boost Mobile, this was part of the agreement. It does have plans to move the 9 million subscribers it acquired in the deal to its own 5G network. But in order to do that, Dish will need time to build that network.

The disagreement all stemmed from T-Mobile’s announcement that it will shut down part of its network on January 1, 2022. Unfortunately, this is a timeline that Dish cannot meet, especially with device and chip shortages. If T-Mobile will push through with this timeline, it will leave “millions of Boost Mobile subscribers disenfranchised and without cell service.”

The initial agreement was that Dish would have three to five years access to Sprint’s CDMA network. This will give them enough time to build their own 5G network and fully migrate their Boost Mobile customers. 

According to Boost Mobile’s CEO Stephen Stokols, T-Mobile’s premature shut down of Sprint’s CDMA network “reinforces our view that they are planning to directly attack Boost customers with an accelerated shutdown in order to churn customers directly to T-Mobile.” 

Stokols believes that “this is highly anti-competitive.” They are also hoping for T-Mobile to reconsider its decision to prematurely shutdown the CDMA network so that its Boost Mobile customers will not be affected and that Dish can continue providing its customers “with competitive choices.”

 

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  • squiggleslash

    The US mobile phone industry’s experiment with IS-95/IS-2000 continues to bite the industry in the rear. T-Mobile is doing the right thing here, but I don’t blame Dish for being upset. Dish could moderate their rhetoric though.

    • Brad C

      I mean, if T-Mobile wanted to be really difficult.. they could just leave 1x running on Band 26, in a 1.25MHz channel.. and make Dish use that since all the actual Sprint customers will be off CDMA by then.

      The quality will suck, and cause Dish to loose customers or swap them to newer handsets (which is what this is really about – they do not want to pay for swapping devices)

      Also, i’m not sure the CDMA “experiment” is really biting them in the behind.. Verizon does not really benefit from gaining 1.25MHz of 1x back (their LTE will *still* be congested) and 1xRTT does MUCH better in fringe areas than VoLTE/VoNR will ever be able to obtain. I’ve gotten CDMA signal from as much as 100mi away in remote locations with a 3w bag phone… that kind of range will NEVER happen on LTE/GSM/5G.

      • marque2

        It saves in that you don’t have to maintain old equipment.

        • Brad C

          The radios are all software defined now, so at the base station level, they’re not maintaining anything they wouldn’t be to run GSM/HSPA/LTE/5G.

          Just some backend equipment in a central data center somewhere.

        • marque2

          Surprised they would actually upgrade the old CDMA transceivers. So are you saying that one will transmit multiple signals at multiple different frequencies? Or do you need a separate one for each frequency?

      • riverhorse

        Can you still use that bag phone anywhere, or just for 911?

        • Brad C

          Yup. It’s still active on prepaid. I used the wait and see approach and it’s still going. A Motorola M800

      • squiggleslash

        > I’ve gotten CDMA signal from as much as 100mi away in remote locations
        with a 3w bag phone… that kind of range will NEVER happen on
        LTE/GSM/5G.

        True, but you’re never going to get that range with a regular handset either. And there’s virtually no market for bagphones.

        You’ve identified the one case where IS-95/2000 had an advantage over the various GSM technologies (2G, W-CDA/H*PA/UMTS), but in general it was awful, lagging far behind with basic features, and creating multiple standards makes no sense in a world where superior standards already exist, as all you’re doing is introducing incompatibilties, making it harder for a network’s customers to share in the benefits of devices built for other networks, or to use those other networks when their own is down.

        All of this meant that a switch to the GSM family was inevitable. Verizon should have known this in the mid-1990s (as should Sprint.) Sprint had the excuse that they were trying to create something cheap, and IS-95 at least could fit more calls into a slice of spectrum than any other standard. But it was still crap, and their poor customers – myself included – had to put up poor voice quality and constant call drops as the price for being on the bleeding edge of obsolescence. I can’t be happier it’s over.

      • Zerovanity

        Does anyone know what Verizon is planning to do with the spectrum recovered from 3G?

        In places they are using PCS, I assume more 4G/5G DSS; in places with cellular band, the choices appear to be tiny a 1.4 MHz LTE channel, NB-IoT, or nothing.

  • Willie D

    Dish Network: “Dear Mister Royal FCC. I am a WHITE WOMAN living in AMERICA…”

    The company hoarding spectrum, refuses to build out their own network, upset that their agreement was with TMobile, not Sprint now getting super entitled and mad. . . OK Karen Co.

    • Zerovanity

      On the one hand, they stated in court they do not need the CDMA network, but on the other, Dish has to replace all those phones likely weeks before the first Dish network future proof phones come out, so the customers that hate changing phone will be forced to do so TWICE in six years.

    • Tony Archer

      Racist.

      • Willie D

        It’s not meant to be racist in the way you think. I’m symbolizing the entitlement Dish feels as it acts as a Karen type white woman as expressed in the film White Chick’s. Clearly you didn’t get the reference or understand context.

  • Glenn Gore

    If Dish were actually BUILDING a network, fully nationwide covering every square inch of the country, after squatting on massive amounts of spectrum for 10-15 years that covers every square inch of the country, past all sorts of “use it or lose it” FCC deadlines, I would have some actual sympathy for them. But they haven’t, so I don’t. And never will.

    • Shaun Michalak

      I was reading up on things.. and as it turns out, Dish has completed a successful 5G network trial last December.. Also, they now have an agreement with crown castle for infrastructure.. From what I have read, they may also be in talks with TDS, aka US Cellular, to buy them out too.. From what I have read, this will give them a good start on their network, plus be cheaper then agreements for service on other providers towers..

      I thought that they were not doing much of anything too.. That was, until I looked things up.. I guess they just might be taking this seriously, and not just looking at an immediate break so that they could sell everything off for a quick buck like I first thought.

      • Glenn Gore

        Never say never, but I think the chances of Dish buying out US Cellular are slim to none, because the family who owns it have never expressed any desire whatsoever to sell. Regardless, that wouldn’t have any effect here in Oklahoma because US Cellular, just like Dish, has been sitting on spectrum in over half the state that they have never built anything on, despite all the build-out requirements. They don’t cover the western half of the state at all, even though they own all the 700A spectrum.

        • Shaun Michalak

          I was wondering about that.. I read a few articles that speculated that they were trying to buy out TDS, the parent company of US Cellular, but I could not find any definite info more then that.. I do know that if they did buy them out, that they would have a lot of updating to do because even where US Cellular does have service, there are a lot of dead zones in their coverage.. Much worse then T-Mobile does. Personally, I can not wait until they get the towers converted over from Sprint to T-Mobile.. I was looking at the map of where the T-Mobile towers were, and where the Sprint towers were.. You can definitely see the fact that T-mobile was not putting any towers where Sprint had towers, which left a lot of gaps in their coverage.. I guess they were waiting for the merger and just use the Sprint towers to finish filling them in..

        • Tony Archer

          TDS could probably buy Dish.

        • Shaun Michalak

          That sounds like a disaster in itself.. US Cellular already has the worst network for coverage.. They have spectrum but refuse to put up towers in those areas.. But also refuse to sell it to someone that will use it (kind of like Dish, but worse since they actually have a network in place to use it).. Even the studies say that US Cellular has the worst maps at bloated coverage, and the biggest problems with coverage gaps in service. Have them put up a nationwide network?? It would be like another Sprint network, with half the towers..

    • Zerovanity

      No one is ever going to build a network in 100% of the nation. Dish volunteered to have 20% of the population covered by June 2022. They are required to have 70-75% covered with bands n29, n66, and n70 in each license area by June 2023, or if they have at least 50% of the US population by June 2023, they have until June 2025 for the 70-75% locally. The 75% band n71 is also needed by June 2025.

      75% of the US is MUCH less than what Sprint had. This is basically a city only build.

      • Glenn Gore

        Right, which means when you leave your city you are screwed, or at the mercy of roaming with all the ridiculous data, call, message, etc limits. The days of all that should be over with. If they have no plans to build out the entirety of the land area that they own spectrum for, they should be required to declare where they do plan to build and serve and then be required to give the rest of that spectrum back to the government where it can be auctioned off to a company that WILL put it to actual use. Not 20 years from now after 3-4 deadlines have passed, immediately. Spectrum is a valuable resource, it should not be allowed to be hoarded indefinitely.

        • Zerovanity

          The problem is the licenses cover large areas, so that they can achieve 75% in each area, by deploying in major and minor cities.

          This is not a Dish issue; this is a FCC spectrum license issue. The fixed wireless telecoms want some spectrum sold at the census area level, but the smallest they have ever been sold at is the county level for CBRS. The large telecoms want the licenses large so the small telecomms cannot afford any licenses and so that their own spectrum positions are much simpler.

        • Glenn Gore

          That has always been the problem. You can cover 90% of the US population by only covering 5% of the land area. So should the carriers never be required to cover the other 95%? Do those 90% never go anywhere other than that 5%? Traffic on the Interstates, US and state highways and hundreds of millions each year visiting vacation spots and national parks that are not in the 5% would indicate otherwise, so only having population coverage requirements is ridiculous.

          Users demand that their phones work no matter where they go, and the days of having to carry 3-4 phones in order to have coverage if you live in one place and your work requires that you travel a 30-40 miles radius from where you live should be long gone. I dealt with that back in the old analog days and do NOT want to deal with it any more. Nearly every oilfield service vehicle and farm truck I see nowadays around here has one of those fat WeBoost antennas mounted on it, so there is demand for service in what some people call the “boonies”. Those are the people who provide the energy and food for the country and they cannot be ignored

          T-Mobile has done a great job of expanding their coverage into that 95% land area in the past few years, I just think they still have more to do. Band 41 does not accomplish that goal because of its frequency and short-range reach, so it will require more Band 71 sites.

        • Shaun Michalak

          In some ways, I agree.. But at the same time, I would love to see people from these days go back 30 years.. I think it would be hilarious watching peoples reactions at how entitled we all have become.. We want phones to work no matter where we go.. Heck, 30 years ago, if you wanted to talk on the phone, you either had a satellite phone, which was very pricey, or you had a landline that did not work outside your house.. It sure would bring people back to reality at just how dependent on technology that we have become..

      • Shaun Michalak

        I think you need to word that better.. It is 70% of the population.. Not of land coverage. I do not believe that there was any agreement for land coverage in there for either of the companies.. T-Mobile or Dish.. Just population coverage.. As for actual coverage by land, it was said in 2020 that Sprint only covered 30% of the US with 4G coverage.. If you include their 3G coverage, I would guess it would go up to something like 32%..

  • Danny Strickland

    I’ve been on Boost for 8 years. Now that DISH owns them, screw ’em. The CEO of DISH is a known grifter and con man. DISH could have built out a 4G network years ago with all the spectrum they’ve hoarded. And DISH absolutely lied to the FCC when they promised to have their own network up and running in 5 years as part of the bargain of the Time/Sprint merger. There was NO intention of being up and running and independent in 5 years. It was a pump and dump scheme in order to fatten the company up for a takeover by so someone else.

    • Shaun Michalak

      The first time line was that Dish was supposed to have 70% by 2023.. That is 3 years, not 5.. The 5 year agreement was for a higher percent of coverage.

  • marque2

    I hope it is a strong and stern letter.

  • marque2

    I can see the FCC extending the shutdown 6 months IF Dish comes up with a viable transition plan. Their, if but for the one person with a 20 years old phone whom we can’t locate or email, excuse shouldn’t fly.

  • slybacon

    What percentage of the Dish 5G network is up and running after one year? Probably 0 percent. I would actually call Dish anti-competitive because they don’t want to help their 9 million Boost subscribers have the latest technology.

    • Shaun Michalak

      As far as I know, it is still nothing.. But from what I have read, I would guess that they are going to do a build out within the next year.. They did a successful 5G test last December, and have already had an agreement made with crown for service on their towers.. Also, from what I have read, Dish may be in talks with TDS to buy them out (aka US Cellular.. Current 4th biggest cell carrier with towers).. If they do buy them out, that would give them a good start on their coverage problems, and starting their network..

    • Zerovanity

      Based on what greenfield 4G networks in other countries took, it should be 18-24 months before we see the first real network. Dish has had Boost for less than a year.

      The number of phones on the market that are even fully compatible with the future Dish network is zero. Qualcomm is not ready for Dish’s network and will not be until early next year. (The Snapdragon x65 and x62 modems should support the network except for mmWave (Dish’s mmWave holdings are not even in the 5G standard yet.)) The first phones will likely be the Samsung Galaxy S22 line.

      Dish is building a greenfield 5G build. No company has ever done that. T-Mobile is the only company with a 5G core and even they have not turned on VoNR. Is it possible this is a shell game that will result in more broken promises? Sure, but Dish’s current state is not surprising.

      • Shaun Michalak

        I have a little bit if an idea as to what a greenfield 5G network is like, but can you explain this a little more so i can understand better?? I am wondering what the big benefits are to having a greenfield setup vs a 5G one like T-Mobile is doing?? On my end, from what I know, I get that it is supposed to use the bandwidth to the most that it can get.. But at the same time, a greenfield setup can not be used with any other technology on the same frequency.. No DSS, etc..

        Looking at that, what happens when they need to upgrade to 6G later down the road, if they need to split the same bandwidth with 5G?? It seems like this would be a problem for them.. This is why I do not understand why they would implement something that may cause problems down the road?? I understand they have limited frequency, so they need to get as much out of it as possible..

        They are on a limited time frame, and with that being said, limiting themselves until chips come out that can support their network is going to be a bottleneck and can cause them problems too. Not only that, but from what I understand, they are trying to / talking / thinking of buyout US Cellular too, to give them more coverage, frequency, etc.. With that being possible, you would think that they would go with a 5G network more similar to what US cellular already has, and is installing, for a better compatibility with what they are doing..

        Thoughts on this??

        • Zerovanity

          Greenfield just means they are starting without a network, they have no legacy systems to deal with. This can be an advantage and a curse. Dish will likely be the first US carrier to employ network slicing, for instance.

          The actual deadlines are not for a network, but a 5G network on the particular frequencies. Deploying LTE now would be wasting money, beside Dish is still doing the behind the scenes moves to build a network anyway. There is a lot of suppliers and red tape to navigate BEFORE the consumer sees anything.

        • Shaun Michalak

          I put up a list of a bunch of the stuff and companies that Dish made deals with, so i already know that they are doing a lot of stuff that is not getting much attention.

          As for Greenfield, when I looked it up, that name came up on WiFi networks. When it did, what they said about it is.. With WiFi, you can have a router that can support A, B, G, and N.. When your device tries to send data, it syncs with other devices for the data stream so that the data does not collide with each others data, if they are both transmitted at the same time.. If Greenfield is active, then it does not see the info from the A, B, or G networks, and will only work on the N network.. Since it does not see the first 3, then it can send info out that may crash with anyone connected on any of those 3.. Sending info out like that makes speeds faster, but can cause more collisions of data since it does not see the other 3 connection types.. But if everyone is on N, then it can increase efficiency..

          So you are telling me that Greenfield on a 5G network is completely different then on a WiFi network, even though they use the same exact name?

        • Zerovanity

          Greenfield is not a brand name; it is a word that means an industrial installation from scratch. It is not replacing anything. It is used in many industries not just telecommunications.

        • Shaun Michalak

          I did not know that.. I tried looking it up, and when I did, I came up to an article that talked about home WiFi setups.. and what I told you was what they said about that.. I personally never seen any setting for it on a WiFi, so I can only go by what it said.. But it makes me wonder what all that was about then, with the WiFi, if it just means no current network?? Unless someone messed up an article and wording in it.. It would not be the first time I seen that.

  • Shaun Michalak

    During the trial, Ergen testified that he would grow Boost and that he didn’t need T-Mobile’s older 3G network. Relying on this and other testimony from business managers, the trial judge basically threw out the presumption of competitive harm.

    So basically, he already said under oath that he did not need the 3G network, but now he is complaining that they are anticompetitive for taking it down a year early?? I could give them something if they at least said that they were going to keep it going, or put up a DSS 4G / 5G network, so that anyone that did not have a 5G phone could still get service off of them.., But they are cutting themselves much shorter then what T-Mobile could do by dropping 3G service next year, by them not having anything but 5G service.

  • Shaun Michalak

    For all the “Dish is not going to install a real network” people.. Here are some key facts that I found out reading up on things to see how they are doing..

    December 2020: DISH Wireless ended a successful 2020 by testing a fully-virtualized standalone 5G core network in Wyoming using the industry’s first O-RAN compliant FDD radio developed by MTI. The company also announced an infrastructure deal with Crown Castle.

    Dish has made partnerships with Blue Planet, Altiostar, Fujitsu, Mavenir, and Nokia.. Hansen Technologies and Intel to help tackle the company’s virtualization and cloud-based application endeavors.

    Fiber deals that would support coast-to-coast coverage for 60 million people with Everstream, Segra, Uniti, and Zayo.

    Dish has hired Craig Sparks and Steve Becker.

    Dish also bought some 3.5ghz spectrum last year at the auctions..

    I have also read that they may be in talks with TDS, the parent company of US Cellular, to see about buying them out too.. If so, this would give them a good start at their network build out to meet those 2023 an 2025 goals for coverage.

    So from what I can tell, it does look like Dish is going to hold true to their agreement to make a big 4th carrier.. Even if that does entail buying out US Cellular, and expanding from it to do so..

    • Tony Archer

      Yes Dish has made as many headlines as they could to fool someone like you. Or more likely try to fool us, using a lobbyist like you.

      • Shaun Michalak

        Not a lobbyist, but more.. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt.. I am also taking into consideration that they are building a 5G only network, so they have no fallback to use, so they have to get it right the first time, before they put it up, and get it working.. I personally, am not going to criticize Dish for not having something in place yet, that neither AT&T or Verizon have in place either.. and that is a SA 5G network with VoNR..

        I personally can not wait for them to get a network up, and am very hopeful that they do.. Because, just think about it.. When they do, all that traffic that is currently on the T-Mobile network that are Dish customers are going to be coming off as they get their network set up.. as they do, that is going to take a load off of T-Mobile towers, and my 5mb down connection is most likely going to be going to a 15 or 20mb down connection..

    • Acdc1a

      With the amount of spectrum they have they could sell a chunk of it for cash and have a nationwide network deployed in less than 12 months. Why haven’t they done it?

      • Shaun Michalak

        Why doesn’t Verizon do the same thing then?? I find the irony that neither AT&T or Verizon have what you are saying that Dish should have in place, and both of them have a much bigger, already in place, network.. and both have much more experience in the field.. Yet you ask why Dish can not do it?? I think we should be asking, if it is so easy, then why did neither of them do it yet either?? Because they can’t?? Then why do you expect Dish to??

        Lets look at the amount of mid and low band spectrum each carrier had in 2017..

        Verizon.. 114
        AT&T.. 178
        T-Mobile.. 110
        Sprint.. 202
        Dish.. 93

        So basically, Dish has 17 mhz of less spectrum then the lowest carrier at that time, which was T-Mobile.. 21mhz (or about 19%) less then Verizon.. C-Band auctions came around, and both, AT&T and Verizon both bought much more spectrum then Dish did.. So that makes their amount of spectrum holdings and even larger gap then in 2017..

        This makes me wonder.. You want Dish to be a competitive company, right?? But you also say that they could sell a chunk of it for cash.. This makes me wonder.. How do you expect a company to be competitive by selling off their assets that they need to be competitive?? or get a good network?? Sorry if I sound a little ignorant, but I just do not understand how you can expect the company with the least resources to sell the little that they have off, when they have the least to start off with.. and still stay in business and give good service??

        I also do no understand how you can expect a company to go from nothing, to a good network in 12 months, when even the big companies have not been able to do it, and they already have a good infrastructure to work with.. I am taking into consideration that Dish is going to be a 5G only network.. So, unless they have 100% of the bugs worked out, then they can not put it up.. Verizon and AT&T both have their 4G to rely back on, so if they have a bad setup for 5G, they can easily take it down as they have a backup to fix it.. They also have to run all new lines for service, etc..

        • Acdc1a

          Dish bet the farm on high band spectrum which you completely left out of your idiotic comment.

          AT&T and Verizon already have high speed LTE networks that give them the benefit of rolling out 5g at whatever pace they want to. Dish on the other hand has committed to building out a network for a decade and a half. Where’s the network Shaun?

        • Shaun Michalak

          High band?? Do you mean mmWave?? the same kind that is only good for a couple hundred feet at best?? You consider what Verizon and AT&T has is true 5G?? Is that some kind of a joke.. No standalone.. no VoNR.. No a lot of stuff.. Heck, even in tests they say that their 5G is actually slower then LTE.. and this is what you back your statement off of?? and you call my statement idiotic??

          I think you obviously do not know the difference between “committed” and plan to.. Because I have never seen Dish actually do anything to truly commit to putting up a network before 2 years ago.. Did they talk about it.. Yes.. Did they say they planned on doing it?? Yes.. But considering that they never did a thing going back past 2 years, how can you call that “committed”?

          Show me one article, comment, etc that shows that Dish truly was committed to putting up a network 10 years ago.. Because all I ever saw or read was them spewing off some big talk to shut up the FCC, and never once did I ever see them put anything in writing, make and real promises, etc that they guaranteed that they would do anything.. Just a bunch of empty promises, and nothing more from back then.. This is the first time that they actually put something in writing..

        • Acdc1a

          No, not MM Wave…high band spectrum like AWS-3 that they may have to pay $3.3 billion back for because they missed the deadline THEY COMMITTED TO for deployment of spectrum. You say a lot but everything that comes out is garbage. Dish has been committing to the government that they’d deploy a nationwide network for the last 16 years. They have no network.

        • Shaun Michalak

          So let me get this straight.. AWS-3 is high band, but band 41, which is higher in frequency, is mid band?? How does that even make sense?? Know what.. Do not even bother answering that, because most of what you say has either no merit, makes no sense.. like how you say a frequency that starts out at about 1700 mhz is high band.. nor the fact that you think that a company with the least amount of spectrum of all the main carriers can supply a good network by selling off their spectrum, even though they have the least to start off with.

          and what is worse is the fact that you try to justify things with your own words and thoughts, and not with actual facts.. and instead of discussing it like a civilized person, you have to degrade people to make your case more valid.. I asked for a simple bit of proof.. Copy and paste.. Link.. Something to verify your statement, and you give none.. and instead come up with comments like “everything that comes out is garbage”, yet have not shown me where anything I said is wrong..

          I have no interest in discussing things like that.. I do on the other hand like to have civilized discussions based on fact.. Not, but I said it so it must be true, type of comments.. have a nice day.

        • Acdc1a

          Google is your friend. You know we can’t post links here, or maybe you don’t. Simply google $3.3 billion dish penalty. Have fun

        • Shaun Michalak

          I already knew about that.. If I remember right, they were threatening to take the licenses away from Dish, but then the merger agreement came into play, and they were given an extension to get a network up and running because of the merger and buyout from the T-Mobile / Sprint merger, and Dish going to take over for Sprint and a new carrier.. Last I heard, it was put on hold because of that, and the FCC backed off from taking those licenses because Dish finally put something down in writing that they would do something with them..

          Up until then, Dish just kept making empty promises about starting up their own cell carrier, but never did.. But they also never put anything in official writings to back up that they would do it.. It was kind of like a kid wanting a candy bar and the parent appeasing the kids saying, “maybe if I have extra money”, but then doing nothing because they just talked their way out of buying it.. Yea, said they would.. But did nothing to back it up..

          Dish was the same way.. They talked big, and never put anything in writing.. so the FCC had no recourse to sue them because they never broke any agreement that they put in writing.. With the merger, they were finally put in a position that they either had to put it in writing, or lose those licenses, because the FCC was tired of them playing their games..

        • Shaun Michalak

          I forgot to add.. oh yea.. i noticed that you did not dispute one thing I said in there.. You just talked around it while ignoring all the facts and questions.. Is there some reason for that??

    • P0is0n0usDarts

      I havent been paying much attention but dishs ceo has a track record and is well known to drag his feet.
      He has to show and prove, words are wind and plans are exactly that until they are executed

      • Shaun Michalak

        I agree.. Actions speak louder then words.. But I also say, considering that they have a lot going for them right now, that they did not have before, that it should be incentive to get things going faster, and actually doing something now, vs before.. Before, it was a “well, we can try it” approach, while staying back and saying, “is the risk even worth it?”.. But now, they have customers.. Yes, they have to depend on T-Mobiles towers.. But now, they have actual income, and the only way to keep that income is put up a network. Now they have incentive.. Now they have income.. Before, they had neither.. So that kind of makes me want to give them the benefit of the doubt..

        I also look at it this way.. I have my hopes up for more reasons then that.. just think.. All that places that are only getting 2mb down now.. Get all those Dish customers off of that towers, and it may go up to 20 megs down. I can not find a reason to not like that idea.. So call me gullible.. But that part of me is VERY hopeful that they do get it up.

  • Mike Smith

    It’s not a “premature shutdown”. It’s in the agreement.

  • Vin

    T-Mobile should say ok we won’t shut down cdma for 5.5 years. Dish in turn will lease spectrum they own for free for 5.5 years