T-Mobile 2.5GHz 5G expands to 81 new cities across the US

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Before today, T-Mobile’s 2.5GHz 5G was available in eight cities. Now that number is more than 80.

T-Mo today announced that it’s turned on its 2.5GHz 5G in parts of 81 cities and towns across the US. This includes places like San Fernando, CA; Bangor, MI; Newberg, OR; Newport News, VA; and Snohomish, WA.

The full list of cities where T-Mobile’s 2.5GHz 5G can now be found is available at the bottom of this post.

2.5GHz is the mid-band flavor in T-Mobile’s 5G layer cake. With it, T-Mo is increasing capacity on its 5G network as well as boosting speeds. Some places with 2.5GHz 5G are seeing average download speeds of 300Mbps and peak speeds near 1Gbps.

This added 2.5GHz 5G can also help to expand coverage by reaching farther distances and penetrating walls better than high-band mmWave 5G.

Looking ahead, T-Mobile says it’s on track to light up 1,000 sites per month with 2.5GHz 5G and that there should be thousands of cities and towns with 2.5GHz 5G by the end of the year. T-Mo also says that it’s working to commit more mid-band spectrum to its cell sites to improve 2.5GHz speeds and capacity.

You will need a compatible device to access T-Mobile’s 2.5GHz 5G coverage. T-Mobile sells several of them, including the Samsung Galaxy S20, S20+, S20 Ultra, Galaxy Note 10+ 5G, Galaxy Note 20 and Note 20 Ultra, Galaxy A71, Galaxy A51, Galaxy Z Flip 5G, LG V60 ThinQ 5G, OnePlus 7T Pro 5G McLaren, and OnePlus 8 5G. The upcoming Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 2 supports 2.5GHz as well.

With this latest expansion, is T-Mobile’s 2.5GHz 5G live in your city yet?

California

  • Citrus
  • La Puente
  • Los Angeles
  • Paramount
  • San Fernando
  • Willowbrook

District of Columbia

  • Washington D.C.

Florida

  • Azalea Park
  • Holiday
  • Progress Village
  • Westchase

Georgia

  • Atlanta
  • Gainesville
  • Mableton
  • North Atlanta
  • Winder

Illinois

  • Bellwood
  • Calumet City
  • Chicago
  • Chicago Heights
  • Glendale Heights
  • Hanover Park
  • Ingalls Park
  • Northlake

Indiana

  • Merrillville
  • Maryland
  • Towson

Massachusetts

  • Holbrook
  • Waltham

Michigan

  • Bangor
  • Decatur

Minnesota

  • Maplewood

Missouri

  • Jennings

New Jersey

  • Camden
  • Cliffside Park
  • Fort Lee
  • Hasbrouck Heights
  • North Arlington
  • Palisades Park
  • Paterson
  • Roselle
  • Totowa

New York

  • Copiague
  • East Williston
  • Freeport
  • Garden City
  • Garden City Park
  • Harbor Isle
  • Hempstead
  • Island Park
  • Lindenhurst
  • Long Beach
  • Malverne Park Oaks
  • Middle Island
  • Mineola
  • New York
  • Plainview
  • West Hempstead
  • Williston Park

North Carolina

  • Clemmons
  • Kernersville
  • Pineville
  • Stallings
  • Statesville
  • Winston-Salem

Oregon

  • Aloha
  • Newberg
  • Sherwood

Pennsylvania

  • Braddock
  • Colwyn
  • Darby
  • East Lansdowne
  • Kerrtown
  • Meadville
  • Philadelphia
  • Rankin
  • Yeadon

Texas

  • Dallas
  • Houston
  • Nassau Bay

Virginia

  • Bailey’s Crossroads
  • Bull Run
  • Highland Springs
  • Lake Barcroft
  • Newport News
  • Sudley
  • Tysons Corner

Washington

  • Geneva
  • Oak Harbor
  • Snohomish

Source: T-Mobile

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  • marque2

    I am still waiting for the update so my phone can do standalone 5g. Alas LG always seems last to get updates.

    • MisterListerSir

      Just got mine for the Oneplus 8 5G today, so you’re not too far behind the rest of us…

      • Steve

        What speeds are you getting up there?

        • MisterListerSir

          I actually get faster LTE (4G) here than I do 5G. Rural area. 120 on LTE. Anywhere from 40-90 on 5G.

          I’ve forced my device to LTE currently. Got the device more as future-proof than any expectation of 5G speeds in town right away.

        • Steve

          Nice, understood.

        • Mike

          What good is 5g if you force your phone to LTE? Come on, hype up there 5g. Plus what speed is really needed for internet? 5mbps.

        • Shaun Michalak

          I am guessing that you are still on nothing by band 71 5G with those speeds..

        • Mike

          I’m still on b2 and b12 only.
          There is no descent b4 here yet alone anything else.

        • Shaun Michalak

          I am not much better where I am.. I have bands 2, 66, and 12.. But when you get speeds in the 3.x mb range, that is not that great.. They installed b71 here, but not on the tower near me, which ironically is one of the highest, most congested, and most central towers in the area.. The tower that covers my area that has b71 on it, it a couple of miles away, vs 0.1 miles for the closest tower.. I honestly can not imagine what they were thinking of relying on a tower in an area, a couple miles away, that is not very congested to start off with, to put b71 coverage in my area.. After all, the cells go to the signal and tower with the best signal, so it is never going to jump off of that tower for band 71 coverage, so it does nothing to help relieve congestion in my area..

          My only thoughts on that is that maybe, with it being on top of a high rise, and accessing the roof, and them merging with Sprint, maybe they figured they would wait until the merger, and then just merge the Sprint towers frequencies, with theirs, and add band 41(maybe band 71 too) at the same time??? This way they only have to go up there, and run lines once…

        • Mike

          Well you have good points. about being on a tower. Problem is Tmobile programs the towers to whatever they want. If I let my phone alone it will go to band 2 regardless and stay there, and if it does the congestion is horrible, if I force the phone to b12, then I get better speeds. So if they ever add b41 my phone will probably stay on b2. Some reason they use b2 and b4 as lead bands. I hope they change that soon.

        • Shaun Michalak

          That is because they have more bandwidth on those 2 frequencies, and faster speeds.. Lets be honest.. Across the board, T-Mobile on average, only has 10mhz of band 12 to use.. They have something like 5 or more times more bandwidth on bands 2 and 4 combined, then they have on band 12.. I have seen places where they only have 5mhz of band 12 installed.. the thing is, from what I have seen, a 5G phone will default to 5G connections when they are available (and a good connection).. So if they install b41, it would seem to me it would default to band 41 since that is 5G..

          As for here.. Looking at being on top of the high rise apartment.. Sprint is right there with T-mobile on top of the tower, so with that being said, if they add in band 25, band 41, and band 71 to that tower.. Well, I bet they are going to have to do a bit of recalculating of the antennas, and replacing some of them too.. Plus running new lines up to the roof on top of it for bandwidth.. To me, it just makes sense to wait and do all that at one time.. But it does not change the fact that until they do get it done, speeds and bandwidth are not that great..

      • Mike

        It’s on a hypaloosa list. Can’t hype it up all at once. Need to spread that pr out for as long as possible.

    • shawn murray

      the oneplus 7t pro 5g has not got it either though we do have the n41, n2, n66 so just waiting for SA update

      • Mike

        That’s on there hypaloosa list. Hope u don’t have to wait forever.

        • shawn murray

          what is this hypaloosa list that you are referring to?

        • Mike

          It’s the hype list of cities they put out to show 5g, or it’s hype about phones updates. Basically just stuff that should be done anyway.

        • MisterListerSir

          He seems to be a tad bitter about something. From reading his other posts here, it sounds like a case of a Sprint fanboy still reeling from the merger.

    • Mike

      That update is on there hypaloosa list. Hope you don’t have to wait long.

  • CHUCK TROTTER

    9.2.20 NO B41/N41 FOR ME IN AUMSVILLE OR. MY SAMSLUG NOTE 10+ 5G HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY UPDAY SINCE 7.15.20. STILL WAITING T MO FOR THE SA AND N2 AND N66

    • KMB877

      Did your caps lock button got stuck!?

    • Mike

      Oh, wait, your city is on the hypaloosa map… see you already bought high priced devices. I hope they upgrade you soon so you can actually use them.

  • Joe

    Good to see they are finally piking up some speed on this. Now that they have deployed it in several areas and figured out how to do it lets hope to see them hit the 1,000 sites per month.

  • Jay Holm

    Anyone have a 5G device, and is in the Houston area??? If so, please share speed, and location…I live in Rosenberg, 77471, 20 miles outside of Houston, so I guess it will be a while longer before my area gets upgraded.

  • iansltx

    A ton of these are suburbs where throwing n41 on a couple sites would be enough to cover significantly all of the area. Good on TMo for providing them with access, but let’s not pretend that these represent a huge number of pops covered vs. their previous announcement.

    With that said, some of these launches underscore that coverage is reaching beyond urban cores and into suburbs (see NYC, Philly, Chicago, Atlanta). Others are evidence of an ongoing deployment in a more notable market (Maplewood for Minneapolis, Aloha for Portland, Jennings for St. Louis). Then there’s Winston-Salem, NC…that’s far enough out from Charlotte that it’s notable.

    My guess is that we’ll see another announcement like this at the beginning of October with another bunch of suburbs, plus a couple larger cities where we’re seeing suburbs announced today.

  • Mike

    Hypaloosa again… the list don’t have many big cities on it. Look at Florida for example, just small communities along a highway. Every time a build out occurs, some random city list occurs. I’d guess that those are cities that Sprint had already upgraded towers because TMobiles build out don’t have the same cities as last time when they did band 12. Wish they hurry and change over band 4, that will be the winner band. Oh btw, make sure you buy an over priced phone to go along with the hype of 5g.. note that is said 300mbps average speed, which means after loaded down that speed will be less. Btw, who needs 300mbps on a phone? Certainly not for internet or streaming… hypaloosa all the way.

    • Jay Holm

      Houston (4th biggest city) is on the list.

      • Mike

        Of course Houston is on it…they been upgrading Houston for a while now . Guess your city wins the hype.

        • Jay Holm

          I don’t have a clue where in Houston 2.5 5G is deployed though! But I live 20 miles outside of Houston, in Rosenberg Texas (77471).

        • Mike

          Well maybe soon for your city. Guess as they build out.

    • Shaun Michalak

      Newport News, Virginia is navel shipyard central on the east cost.. That is not a small area, and they are on the list.. Philadelphia, PA is on the list, and has a population of about 1.6 million people.. If 1.6 million people is not a large city, just what do you consider large??

      As for sprints 5G before the merger.. Here is their list.. I really do not see much of any of these cities on T-Mobiles list..

      Sprint’s 5G cities are:

      Atlanta
      Chicago
      Dallas-Fort Worth
      Houston
      Kansas City, MO
      Los Angeles
      New York
      Phoenix
      Washington, D.C.

      • Mike

        The point I was making is that the list has more small areas than it does large areas. Either way because they say it’s there, don’t mean it’s covering it 100%. Just looking at Florida, not a single big city on that list. Besides I think those cities are what Sprint build out before being collapsed. All Tmobile had to do was reprogram them.

        • Shaun Michalak

          They still do not have 100% coverage with band 71 in the areas that they installed that.. So I would not expect band 41 to be any different for a while..

          One thing that I can say is this.. As for small areas, it looks good on articles and in the public.. Think about it.. There are small areas that only have 1 tower to cover the area.. You say, we have “blank” covered, and 1 tower, and it is done.. Yet you go to a city, and that can be a dozen towers to do the whole thing..

        • Mike

          That’s why I think the old Sprint towers had 2.5gig on them in many of these areas..Tmobile just picked what towers they wanted from Sprint. Basically adding these small cities as they go.

        • Shaun Michalak

          Who knows how they think.. I am still waiting for them to put up towers in business districts of small towns, and then I see them put up a tower in areas that are hardly used.. It makes me wonder if there is no rhyme nor reason as to how and where they install stuff at times..

      • Mike

        Well 7 off of sprints list is on Tmobile. You watch the next list will have Kansas city, and Phoenix. All Tmobile is doing is riding off the success of what Sprint had done. Or should I say they bought there way.

    • Francisco Peña

      Progress village is a rural ghetto suburb of Tampa. Very low income, not much there, sandwiched between Brandon and Tampa. The only time you visit PV is when you are trying to avoid the main routes between the two cities and you cut through PV.

      • Mike

        So I guess it was an old Sprint location turned into Tmobile. That tower probably already had 2.5g on it.

    • Harlimus

      You know those people that can afford 5g phones now, they pay for the engineering of said phones so the technology gets cheaper so then the technology trickles down to more affordable phones. All those model a and x owners paid for the engineering of the model 3

      • Mike

        Well phones have increasingly been going up over time. If anything phones should be lower because they found out how to build them with the cheapest of materials, plus they are more mastly produced then they were 5 years ago. Cell phones overseas are typically less than 500.00 usd. That’s why I call it hype.. It’s hype prices on these 5g phones.

        • Shaun Michalak

          Well, maybe not completely with the cheapest of materials.. But there is so much that has gone to computer / machine built, vs person to person, that has lowered prices.. Also, the more you have made, usually the cheaper the price.. So with 1000 people buying that phone, vs 500 a few years ago, that should help lower prices due to mass purchases..

          But then again, you have to consider how much things have increased.. It costs more to make a quad core processor then a duel core, and so on.. Years ago, they were just single cores, and high end had duel cores.. Now, even low end phones have quad core processors.. It used to be the cheap $30 phones only had 2mp cameras, and 8gb rom.. Now the low end ones have 8mp cameras (or higher) and 16gb rom.. This all adds up to higher prices in lower end phones, which is why phone prices have gone up so much..

          Just look at the specs of the Iphone 5 for example.. Duel core processor, 1.2mp from camera, 8mp rear camera, 1gb ram and 64gb rom on the highest end phone (lowest had 16gb rom).. Basically, the specs of a low end Iphone from a few years ago, is the same as a basic low end phone now.. Just goes to show how much more goes into them these days, to keep them working..

      • Mike Smith

        What’s a “Model A”?

      • Mike

        So you support phones being over 1000.00? That’s the problem about this greedy country. People got to be first to have it, and that makes the companies charge whatever.

  • mingkee

    I am surprised Westchester isn’t on the list. It’s right north of NY City

  • Shaun Michalak

    I wonder if they are going to be installing off of the same towers that they previously installed b71 on, or at they putting b41 on other towers, or both?? It also makes me wonder if they are now going to be going to those other cities that have not been upgraded, or do the already b71 upgraded towers first?? and then get to the cities that they have never started with b71 until after the other areas are done first?

    • Mike

      I’d guess they are putting b41 on towers that have b4. B71 was for newer tower locations to fill in gaps. B41 on b4 towers makes sense because there spacing of towers is for b2 and b4 already. I also think they are picking old Sprint sites that would fill in coverage they don’t have, that’s why some of the cities seem different on the list.

  • Mike Smith

    None of this matters until the 5G IPhone ships anyway. 5G utilization will skyrocket over night.

    • Mike

      Oh, that will be another over priced phone for sure. They will hype up that it has 5g

      • Mike Smith

        If it iPhone was overpriced then it wouldn’t sell like it does. The fact that it sells huge numbers means it’s priced correctly. Just because you can’t afford it, doesn’t mean it’s overpriced. It just means you’re broke.

        • Mike

          What the carriers charge will be over priced. IPhone likes to hype themselves also. Why you think there stock price is so high? Because they are making plenty of profit off there consumers. Phones are at 1000.00 because of hype and the need for saying I got to have it first mentality. I personally will not pay 1000.00, because they make these phones for around 200.00 or less. Having over 200% profit for clothes is one thing, it’s another thing for high priced phones.

        • Mike Smith

          Do you think Rolex is over priced? How about Ferrari? Just because you can’t afford it doesn’t mean it’s “over priced”, it’s just not made for you. The target customers for these these products think they’re appropriately priced for the value they get… or they wouldn’t buy it. Try and remember that everyone doesn’t have your budget or circumstance and what is right for you doesn’t have to be right for someone else.

          A Ferrari isn’t for everyone. Either is an iPhone.

        • Shaun Michalak

          Wrong.. There is a big difference in the comparison.. A Roles or a Ferrari’s are a lot of custom building.. They are not mass produced, or hand touched up on every car / watch to make them perfect, like a mass produced phone is.. Don’t compare a hand made product to a mass produced product.. They are not an even comparison..

        • Mike

          What makes you think the price of that iPhone is fair and just? The point I’m trying to make is, no phone should be priced that high, it’s not a 1000.00 phone. What is happening, carriers are getting about 300 or more on everyone sold and then apple probably has a kick back program just to get carriers to sell more. I’d really line to know the true market value. Your thing about cars, I can haggle on them, you can’t haggle on an over priced phone.

        • Mike Smith

          What makes it “fair and just”? What are they a charity? Is Balenciaga “fair and just”? Is Lear Jet? If you can’t afford it it’s not for you.

        • Mike

          A charity, now that’s a good kicker word. This whole discussion has been about opinions of cell phone prices. Fair and just as you say is just that. I want to pay a fair price, not an inflated price.

        • Mike Smith

          You seem to not understand or appreciate capitalism? Apple is a business. Their #1 goal is to make a profit for their shareholders, not to give you something you think is “fair”. Like any business, they charge as much as they can for their product. Because they have a premium product that’s in high demand, they can (and do) charge more than products with less demand. That’s not bad, that’s business. There is no “fair”, just buy what meets your needs within your budget.

          The iPhone, like all Apple products, are made for consumers that want the best experience and don’t really care about the cost just like any other luxury brand. Android phones are made for consumers who value cost over experience and privacy.

          My phone isn’t for you. Your phone isn’t for me. There’s no right or wrong, just different markets.

        • Mike

          Oh I understand capitalism, the only problem is it’s run by the oligarchy class. Just by you saying there responsible to the share holders, indicates that’s. Now far as price goes, people are afraid to complain, oh just don’t care. Now that’s the best people companies like, are those who just don’t care.
          I knock Samsung’s price as well, so it’s not like I’m picking on one. Wait and see 1399.99 for the zip phone, really?

        • Mike Smith

          I don’t think you understand capitalism is or what oligarchy means. There’s no such thing as an “oligarchy class”. What do you mean “people are afraid to complain”? Why are complaints relevant? The only people that matter in capitalism are the share holders and the customers. The rest is just noise. Your complaint is just that you’re poor.

        • Mike

          I do know what both are. An oligarchy is something run by the wealthiest class. Capitalism in stuff run by private sector.. Both terms have come so close together lately. So, yes, the oligarchy are running this nation. Look who is President, every policy lately has favored the oligarchy, and defunding of social security. So to me, Bernie Sanders has it correct. But some just don’t want to hear the truth.
          Btw, new phones are over priced.

        • Shaun Michalak

          Smith wrote “Android phones are made for consumers who value cost over experience and privacy.”

          This is just a thought, but what is the price of the iphone 11?? $1100 for the most expensive version?? Samsung has 4 phones out through T-Mobile that all cost that, or more.. and guess what.. They are all android phones.. So explain to me how that works, that there are android phones more expensive then iphones, but android phones are there for people who value cost?? I know you did not say that, the other Mike did.. But I will just let you think about it, and then laugh at the irony of that statement that he made..

        • Mike

          I laugh to because all I mentioned initially was just a statement saying phones are expensive. Now I do believe apple was the leader in raising prices, but now Samsung feels they need to have high priced ones as well..So there is no leader in phone quality. It just comes down to what people are used to. Now security is another thing, I do notice than androids have more updates. Which don’t mean a bad thing really. Im just not an apple person, and that’s going back to there computers. To say apple is the leader when all.they have is 28%, there is 72% still out there. Apple could add more people if they would come out with an aggressive price.. Trouble is these big companies talk to each other and set those prices in some cases. Because how is should work. Is when more people want it the price is suppose to go down because more are being produced, not sky rocket.

        • Shaun Michalak

          I laughed too.. Especially when someone says that the phone that only has a 1 in 4 user amount is the ones that lead the pack.. No, I would say the 3 in 4 would make the bigger difference.. But hey, if he wants to believe that the 1 in 4 is setting the standard, more power to him.. I also laughed at the fact that he believes that people someone is willing to pay a price, that it somehow makes it worth that cost.. No, it does not make it worth that cost.. What it does do is mean that the company knows that they can get the money, so they will raise their prices just because they know that people will pay it..

          I remember reading an article a while back that Apple was saying that if they had their phones made here, in the USA, that they would have to raise their prices by about $100, or something like that.. So they did not want to have them made here for that reason.. I just sat back and laughed thinking.. And you think that will hurt their sales?? Nope.. Their customers would still pay it and I doubt you would hear much of anything about that extra cost.. Because they would still say that the phone was worth it at that higher cost.. To each their own I guess..

        • Mike

          These companies know exactly what the deal is.. Now that’s funny to hear that Apple would be 100.00 more if built here? They must really count there beans good. No excuse they can’t make that phone here and still charge a fair price. Machines build the phones.Dont think much labor would go into it? I can surely say many of the phones are good, but the price not so nice.

        • Shaun Michalak

          I looked it up.. Here is what they say

          “If Apple managed to bring manufacturing jobs to the United States, analysts say that assembling the iPhone here wouldn’t actually make it much more expensive. As Konstantin Kakaes wrote in the MIT Technology Review in 2016, putting together the iPhone in the US from parts made abroad would only cost about $30 to $40 more per phone, a modest increase for a device with a 64 percent profit margin.

          Even if every part was made in the US, an iPhone would cost about $100 more, Kakaes concluded, assuming raw materials were still purchased on global markets.”

          and

          “An iPhone assembled in America from some American-made parts would be more expensive: If components were to be made in the US as well as assembled here, Kakaes found that it would increase the cost of the iPhone by about $100.”

          The irony that the article that I quoted was from 2016.., Yet in 2018, suddenly now they are claiming that to make the same Iphone here in the US, it will now cost $2000?? I personally find it suspicious that after trump said to have the iphone made in the USA, suddenly the cost to make it went from $100 more, to double the cost at $2000..

        • Mike

          Good article. I liked the 64% profit margin, I figured it was somewhere near that. Apple would be stupid to move all assembly here because they sell so much overseas. Trump needs to let businesses do what they need to. Last thing we need is more oligarchy when it comes to phones.

        • Shaun Michalak

          To a point, I agree.. There are some things, that is just better dealt with in the country best suited to do that thing.. I think it was more to the fact that even little things that could be done here, companies just go to other countries to have done, when they could be done here.. If one company can do it all, let them do it all because it leaves one company at fault if there are problems.. But at the same time, take things like tools..

          Craftsman hand tools, like pliers, ratchets, sockets, etc, used to be all made in the USA.. These days, most are made in china.. Quality has dramatically dropped since they did too.. I heard that they are moving the production back to the US, which is a good thing..

          The US made ratchets, from the 60’s all the way up to the 2000’s, were all well made.. A lever broke on one of them, and I went to get it fixed. They gave me a new ratchet that was made in china. I noticed it had a lot of play in it, so I took it apart to see why.. I found where the gear is that flips it from tightening to loosening, in the US made one, the hole the gear went into was say, 10mm in size.. The new china made ones was now say 12mm in size, which left a lot of play in the housing where the gear sits, which left a lot of play in the gear.

          It is not just craftsman either.. The original vise grips, bought out by Irwin, now made in china.. and just squeezing the handle I can feel how much weaker they are in strength. Ever try to find a US made brake rotor for your car?? 95% of them are made in china.. Heck, I buy lubricating jelly, and 2 times ago, it was made in the USA.. This year I found it was now made in china.

          I think that Trump was more emphasizing on we need to have more stuff made here, then just a particular item.. I honestly doubt that Trump has any idea in what goes into making a cell phone, what minerals are used in its making, or where they come from.. But if he says it is OK for one company to do it, then others will start yelling discrimination, so he has to take a one stance for all companies.. So even if he did know, it would go against his “make america great again” stance, if he said to have stuff made in other countries.

        • Mike

          I don’t have a problem where companies manufacture items at. Most went overseas because of imerging markets and they wanted to ship closer to other countries. I have a problem when it comes to a President handing out tax loop holes and tax breaks just to entice a company to make production back here. This President is wrecking the deficit, he is wrecking social security. A company shouldn’t get millions just to move something back. This President has already lowered corporate taxes, that should be enough. Wages are the other reason they stay overseas.

        • Shaun Michalak

          Here is the thing.. I am not going to start getting into politics.. I will just say this.. You have your opinions, and I have mine. It does not matter if we agree, or disagree.. I will just say this one point.. As for the deficit.. Most of the deficit from this year comes back to the stimulus package, which was voted and sent through to him by both, the house and senate.. both democrats and republicans.. and the national debt has gone up at a steady rate, same incline, since about 2008.. So the adding to the national debt has not changed much since then.. by either president.. Either way, this site is not for politics, and I am not going to get that far into it on here..

          With that being said.. I do agree, if a company sells most of their product in a certain area, I have no problem with it being made in that area.. I was only pointing out, not all products are sold in other areas.. For example, craftsman tools is a US brand.. They do not sell most of their product over seas.. In fact, i doubt that they sell much of anything over seas.. The company was in ties with sears, which was only in the US..

          So in aspects of craftsman tools, just made out of steel, there is no reason to have them made in other countries, or over seas.. Apple phones are a different story… They do have huge sales overseas, so to have the materials transported to the US, to make them, to transport them back over there, if that was where the majority of their sales were, then that does not make a lot of sense.

        • Mike

          I don’t feel bad for companies that went overseas, most did it for cheap labor and incentives. Look at GM, they make in Mexico and ship vehicles here. Now for the president to have them bring back to the US means incentives and tax breaks, non of which I believe they need. I get tired of companies whining about money when they already make millions. Look at tesla, all the tax breaks they got for a new factory. Where the president cut the tax rate that businesses pay. Who’s left to pay that difference? Well the average person will.

        • Shaun Michalak

          Wow do you jump all over.. First you start talking complaining about Trump, then mention all this stuff that Trump had nothing to do with..

          Tesla no longer gets tax breaks because of their cars.. They did, but that ended with their 200,000th car.. which has long since passed.. They did get a tax break, but the last tax break they got for the company itself, that I know of.. was in 2016, which was when Obama was in office.. They are currently getting a tax break on building a new plant down in Texas, but that is the state and local governments that are giving that one.. Not the federal government.. The tax breaks for the tesla cars was introduced in 2008 by Charles B. Rangel, a democrat from NY..

          As for cars made in Mexico.. Well, I actually feel sorry for the customers, not the company.. Since they really got into that, their cars have turned to junk.. GM now makes one of the worst cars on the road.. at least from our experience.. We have 2 cars.. one is a 2003 dodge stratus with 190k miles on it, the other is a 2009 chevy impala, bought fresh off of the show room floor and only has about 60k something miles to this day ..

          We have had to put more money into that chevy then the dodge..

          List of things that have gone wrong with the chevy (not looking at wear parts like brakes, tires, lights, etc).. The air pump and secondary air intake injection valve both went bad (over $1000 to fix for just those 2 things), 3 out of 4 door locks do not work, stabilizer bar and links on both ends, bumper rotted out, new exhaust, sensor in the dash to make the heater work, power steering pump and rack and pinion, both tie rod ends, emergency brake cables, and more..,

          Personally, I think that is a pretty long list for a car with less then 70k miles on it..

          meanwhile the dodge still has the original air pump, exhaust, bumper, stabilizer bar and links, all the door locks still work, never had a problem with the heater, still the original power steering pump and rack.. hmmmm all on a car with 3 times the miles, and 6 years older..

          Yea, I see what the customer gets from going cheap and going to Mexico.. No thanks.. I will never buy another GM again..

        • Mike

          I can clarify. First any car built somewhere should have quality control done on it, regardless. People work just as hard overseas as they do here. That’s GM fault if cars are put together crappy.
          Now Telsa IS getting breaks from Texas, yes, but they also get to take advantage of the reduction in federal taxes that the President did sign after congress approved it for 21 percent (reduced from 35 percent by the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act). So now there is 14% that’s missing for the deficit. Fancy name Tax cuts and jobs act. (Oligarchy) Only the well off got the tax cuts. So hope I clarified that a little bit. Im not picking a party, but I am calling out who is treating the average person poorly. Keep an eye on social security, that’s the next to be torn apart, they already are deferring 6.2% from the funds that was part of the stimulus money. What that will mean, is it could run out of funds. To go back to cell phones, they will always be built somewhere else because of all the emerging markets. If they do make them here then we will have to pay a premium.

        • Shaun Michalak

          I forgot about the tax act.. But to be fair, it had to go through the house and senate, which means people from both sides had to agree to it for it to pass..

          There will always be things that are made other places, and they will be best made other places.. I have no problem with that.. That is how you keep up good relations with other countries.. But at the same time, there has to be some kind of balance.. You can not have 15 billion dollars going out, and 50 billion dollar worth of goods coming in.. Complete imbalance, and that is exactly what this country has come to, from companies trying to save that penny in costs per item over the years.. I have those numbers wrong, but you get the idea..

        • Mike

          We have had. A trade imbalance for a while now, think that started. In the. 80s. Trouble is China bought alot of. Companies here and moved the operations overseas. Hoover vacuum cleaners is a prime example, it’s all Chinese owned and made in China. Some companies may try and come back, while others will stay put. If everything does come back then prices may go up.
          The deficit needs to be taken care of, and no one is doing it. China holds our debt, while President talks about China and tik tok.

        • Shaun Michalak

          You talk as if China holds most of our debt.. They only have something like 4% of the us debt.., Fact is, Japan has more of the US debt then China does.. Outside of the US, China, and Japan, the rest of the world holds about 18% of the debt.. So in aspect, China is not actually a huge player in that aspect, since their amount is not that big in consideration..

          I agree, the deficit does not taken care of.. But adding trillions more of dollars to the deficit is not going to help in any way.. Fact is, the Democrats wanted to spend 3 times what china has in debt, to give out as a second stimulus package.. Granted, they did lower it down to about 2 times what we owe china.. But still.. If you are talking about the debt to china..

          adding more debt is not going to help, and that seems to be all that the Democrats want to do.. hand out money.. more and more money.. Like throwing money at the problems will fix all of them.., IT is like giving someone more money as a bonus for not working, then what they made working.. Well, what is that going to accomplish.. Your bills go down, and they throw money at you to stay not working..

          Either way, this has gotten way past the original subject, and what the site is about.. So I am just going to stop here, and I am done talking about politics, China, the debt, etc..

        • Mike

          Real quick and back to the main subject. You are right about China in one way, they are not first with our debt, they are second.
          Japan holds more U.S. debt in the world at $1,271.7B, or 18.67% of the total.
          China used to own the most debt but is now in second place at $1,081.6B or 15.88%. (from Google search).
          Far as the stimulus goes, the President signed both of them.
          Back to 5g. I seen on redit some coverage maps showing b71 expansion, and the coverage looks pretty good.

        • Shaun Michalak

          Yea, it does.. But I think it will be more impressive once they get “constant” coverage.. This whole, do this tower, and not the next with 5G, and only having them barely connect, if at all.. and you know they boost up their coverage a lot.. Once they get b41 installed, if they get it installed on “all” towers, not just this and that tower, then we will have a constant 5G signal, and not flipping back and forth because of a lack of coverage from them thinking, or boosting up that they do connect, when in real life, they do not.. That is when it will really be impressive.. But they have to have “as much” or more coverage, then they do with 4G.. right now, honestly, I would guess that they really only have about 60% coverage of 4G, at best, with their 5G coverage..

        • Mike

          Did you know we can now go manual and switch phone to Sprint network. I tried it here but not much difference in speed. I found that on redit. I’ll see what bands I can connect to sprint.

        • Shaun Michalak

          How do you do that??

        • Mike

          Go to
          settings, then select connections and then go to mo bil networks and then

        • Shaun Michalak

          I forgot that setting was there.. I used that setting a few years ago while traveling, but have not since then.. Either way, it said that it could not connect when I tried to connect to the Sprint tower by me..

        • Mike

          You have to put default to manual then do a search and pick Sprint. That way it will stay sprint

        • Shaun Michalak

          Yea, that is what I did.. I saw the sprint tower, and tried to connect to it, but it stated that it could not connect, and then reverted back to T-Mobile’s tower because of it..

        • Mike

          Maybe your area still not able to do it. Don’t expect much, I switched to Sprint tower and ended up with the same old slow data, although the signal was a little better. All I get on Sprint tower is b2, 4 and 12 they have band 5 shut off.

        • Shaun Michalak

          Sprint has no bands 2, 4, or 12… They only use bands 25, 26, and 41..

          Do you use rootmetrics?? I installed the app and ran it today to do a little tracking.. I turned baseline data and RF/Network conditions both on.. I was just wondering.. Those are the 2 things that you need to turn on to do tracking, right?? and if so, do you have any idea how long it takes for it to display on their coverage page??

          If you do not know, that is fine.. I know there were a couple of people on here that all they wanted to talk about when it comes to coverage, and reliability, is rootmetrics.. So I gave it a try.. But I was not sure if you were one of them.. From the little I have used it, I think I like CellMapper better though..

        • Mike

          I have used ookla speed test which has maps on it too, there map s good. I have used cellmapper before, but I don’t think data gets put up right away? Rootmetrics I’ve only seen when on a story. Sorry I’m not much help on either one. Boost mobile shows a very good map for Tmobile, plus I think they show 5g.

        • Shaun Michalak

          Cell mapper does not get put up right away.. It takes time to get processed.. I have seen times where it is displayed 2 days later, and other times it does not display for 2 weeks.. That is why I was wondering about rootmetrics.. As for Cell mapper.. I like theirs better because the rootmetrics map just says, what is best available.. So it either shows 5G, 4G, or 2/3G on the map as a little block..

          The problem is, it can show a block of 4G, but the signal is so bad that it barely makes a connection.., Just seeing 4G does not let you know if it is a good or bad connection.. Cell mapper will put a red dot there so people know, yea, it is a 4G connection, but it is a piss poor one.. The only thing good about rootmetrics is they combine all versions on the same map, so you do not have to flip from 4G to 5G to see where service is at for both of them.. They are doubled up on the same map.. But that can be a downfall too.. If they only have 5G coverage there, then you do not get to see that there is no 4G service for people with only 4G phones..

          I know that it is off of the same tower, but they are saying that SA 5G will travel farther then 4G does on the same frequency, so it is possible if that is true..

        • Mike

          That still cracks me up to say 5g can travel further. The only way they can make that happen is either by raising the power output or have an antenna with more gain. My guess is the antenna is doing the extra work by having more channels available. Now those programs you mention are only as good as the amount of people on them, you could have an area were no one is on, so I guess it shows no color? I will check out root metrics.

        • Shaun Michalak

          They said 5G can go further, not me.. From what I have read, it has something to do with the new types of antenna’s that they are going to use. FYI, that part did not come from T-Mobile.. Either way, I am not counting on it.. Even if it did, I do not expect that much of a difference.. I say lets wait and see “real world” results, and not some hyped up exaggerated guess..

          I can say the same for both programs.. If I go somewhere, I try to take a route that has not been tracked, and track it to help update these maps.. But it is like you said, it is only as good as the people that track it.. I found many places that Rootmetrics maps were lacking..

          For example, about a year ago T-Mobile put up a tower in Hazel Hurst, PA.. Rootmetrics still has nothing.. I think it was about 1 1/2 years ago they put up a tower in Kane PA.. Root has no 4G service there, even though there is.. But I have found places in Rootmetrics that has been tracked, but not been tracked by anyone in Cellmapper.. So basically, they compliment each other..

        • Mike

          Well for 5g to go further it would need gain from the antenna, and that gain will be from multiple channels going to your phone and back. I still don’t believe it will be that much further. I looked at cell mapper the other day, it seems pretty nice although the blocks they color in seem to cover a bug area, it still don’t show fringe area. Like I said before the boost mobile map shows really good for Tmobile 4g and 5g maps. It actually shows that one tower would give me 5g but the problem is the closer tower doesn’t have 5g yet.. so basically the phone will stay on the 4g tower. Can only hope they upgrade the other tower soon. Time will tell on all this stuff.

        • Shaun Michalak

          Like I said, this came from the manufacturer of the chips, not T-Mobile that said that you can get farther reception.. and a smaller antenna.. Heck, I remember when all phones had this antenna that you had to pull out, and stood out a foot from the phone to get any reception.. So it must have something to do with the antenna and stuff.. Still, I do not expect much further reception either.. Here is the quote from qualcomm about their snapdragon X60 setup..

          “5G FDD-TDD carrier aggregation support in Snapdragon X60 then allows the operator to increase capacity and coverage.”

          “The new Qualcomm QTM535 mmWave antenna module introduced with Snapdragon X60 is smaller than the previous generation and allows new, sleek mmWave smartphone designs, with improved mmWave performance.”

          So basically, I think it has something to do with the new chipset and the new antennas that go with it..

        • Mike

          That’s a good article about mmW. Glad they say the range will be further. Mmw needs all the help it can get for covering distance. Will be nice when all this technology gets out and people can actually use it.

        • Shaun Michalak

          The range part was not about the mmWave.. I put that part in there because of the comment about them using new antenna’s that are specifically designed to work with their chips, and how they are smaller, etc.. either way, that is what the chip manufacturer said, which is why I stated, it was not just T-Mobile that stated farther coverage.. That new chip is supposed to be able to work off of any 2 of the following, at the same time.. mmWave, midband, or lowband.. 4G and/or 5G.. The X55 chip, the previous version, would only work on one at a time.. You could do mmWave, or low band, but not together.. You could do 4G or 5G, but not connect to both together.. They changed that with the X60 chip..

        • Mike

          Either way the x60 chip will give these carriers multiple options for coverage. Actually there will be minimal reason not to have a signal at any time.

        • Mike

          Go to settings, then select connections, and then mobile networks. Next go to network operators. From there go to default setup and choose manual, then hit search. Once Sprint shows up, just select it. To go back, put it in automatic and then search for tmobile and select it.

        • Mike

          Ok, we can make this easy. How many people think that brand new cell phones are over priced? This question can include the new Iphone, whenever it.comes out. And I’m sure it will be before Christmas
          Again, who thinks brand new phones are over priced?

        • Wenjun Yu

          If you want to compare phones to cars, then iPhone is just an overpriced fancy Prius.

        • Shaun Michalak

          Yes they would.. Haven’t you ever heard the saying.. People have more money then brains?? Well, at times, it is true.. Let me give you an example.. I bought a pair of automatic wire strippers.. The same exact company manufactured them for different companies.. One company sold them for $12.. another sold them for $25.. Both sold high volumes.. Does that make the $25 pair priced good?? Nope.. It meant that irwin was a better known name.. Same quality, warranty, etc.. The only difference was the color of the handle, and the name on that handle..

          My mom used to work for Blair, aka blue stem.. They would get stretch blue jeans in.. The The blair brand was the same exact thing as the norm tompson brand.. The only difference.. The tag sewn in the hem.. Same company put both pairs out too.. the norm tompson brand ones were something like 3 times the price.. People bought them just because they had the norm thompson name on them..

          I remember reading an article where someone was making a company selling clothes that they made.. They sold the custom clothes at a reasonable price.. Then one day someone suggested that they brand them, and raise the price.. they tripled the price, made the website look more branded, and her sales went up dramatically.. Same quality, same material, same person making them.. But put some label on it that make it look branded, and sales went up dramatically..

          So yea.. tell me again how it is the pricing that makes it right priced, and not the ignorance, or self indulgence of the population by slapping a brand or label on it??

        • Mike Smith

          Some people feel the need to find the “best deal”. For others, their time is worth more than saving $13 on a wire stripper.

          You might think how smart you are for saving $12, while someone might wonder why you don’t focus on more important things like educating yourself or moving to a more economically developed area where you wouldn’t care about $12.

          It’s all in perspective.

        • Shaun Michalak

          Well, I void both of your ideas.. I go with “quality” over “quantity”.. If something is made the same, from the same place, I find it stupid to buy the more expensive one with no advantage.. The thing is, I check to see how things are made before I blindly make a purchase.. I used to be an inspection mechanic years ago.. When I did, I bought a lot of Snap-On, MAC, Cornwell, etc tools.. Were they cheap?? Not a chance.. But I was going to get my moneys worth from them because they are what I relied on to make a living. I spent more, for more quality stuff.. But do you think that I went with Snap-On for something, when MAC had the same tool for 20% less.. and they both had the same quality and warranty?? Not a chance.. Both had the quality, but I was not so hyped up on one name to just buy that name because of the name. Even then, I was smart enough to know that it was a waste to spend that extra, and not get anything more in return..

          You go through my tools, and to this day, you will not find more then a half dozen tools that are cheaply made, because I buy quality, not name..

        • Mike Smith

          That’s nice, but some people prefer not to own any tools and have others do that for them. Are you getting it yet?

        • Shaun Michalak

          and some people just enjoy working with their hands.. Sorry, I am not too lazy, or unintelligent, to have to rely on others for stuff.. I do not care if it only saves $5.. If I can do it myself, I will.. and if not, then I will pay someone. Most people that feel that way, and own no tools, are doing it because of one of two reasons.. Too lazy, or not smart enough to know how to do it.. I prefer to be in category #3.. Has the money to pay someone to do it, but is smart and ambitious enough to do it myself..

        • dcmanryan

          If you base wealth on the phone in your hand you’ve already lost buddy. Having an iPhone is a fad and the innovation was lost years ago. Every new iPhone reveal some dork shits himself in the audience because the iPhone just gained a feature Android has had for 2+ years. iPhone does two things better, imessages and updates. That’s it. Sure, the processor may be a little faster but you’ll never notice. Before you argue camera don’t embarrass yourself further as a $350 Pixel 4a smokes the current iPhones on the market and to be fair so did the Pixel 4 and 3.

          If carriers and manufacturers ever took away financing iPhone sales and any phone over $500 would plummet and we both know that. We both also know the iPhone is way over priced and there’s a reason the cheaper models out sale the higher tier models. People don’t give a damn about specs as long as it says iPhone. That’s why the XR, 11 sold so well. They’re cheaper but still say iPhone so the consumer feels like they’re still cool. God forbid the screens that of a $150 Android phone.

          If you can’t buy a phone outright you can’t afford it. Argue all day about zero interest financing and I’ll reply with the same answer, you can’t afford it.

        • Mike Smith

          Agree, and I’ll go one step further. If you’re spending anything on interest or credit card debt, you can’t afford to buy anything until you eliminate debt.

        • dcmanryan

          I agree. It’s the new American way where you’re 2 pay periods away from bankruptcy. Americans are terrible at math and I’d guess more than half the iPhone users couldn’t buy an iPhone 11 Pro tomorrow if they had to.

    • Shaun Michalak

      Completely biased.. in actual use specs, where the company looks and gets stats from what OS people use on the net, or connect to cell towers.. Here is what actual stats are like

      Android.. 70.74%
      IOS.. 28.73%

      The big difference between the 2.. Apple users are more likely to upgrade every year, where Android users are more likely to keep their phone for a couple of years.. Even so, since Android has already had 5G phones out for some time.. When I think the real 5G boost will hit is when they lower the price of a 5G phone down to a few hundred dollars, not $500 or more..

      Then lets add in there, with the economy, and so many people out of work, or having a lack of income.. Well, how many of those “iphone” users that usually jump on the newest phone, do you think are now going to put that upgrade off until next year?? Hmm..

      • Mike Smith

        I don’t think there’s any question that iPhone will have their biggest sales year ever this year despite the pandemic.

        • Shaun Michalak

          You think so?? Even considering no real 5G support on the newest Iphone’s?? After all, the newest Iphones are only supporting mmWave 5G, no cell tower 5G support.. Hmm.. So yea, maybe they will get their boost, in a year or 2 when they add cell tower 5G support on them then..

          I think I will still stick with my current android expectations for the increase..

        • Mike Smith

          Are you living under a rock? The new iPhones will support all global 5G standards, that’s why they went with Qualcomm for this round. And it’ll be their best selling iPhone ever no question. Not everyone is broke. ;)

        • Shaun Michalak

          Actually, the article I read said that mmWave was the only thing that they were going to be offering.. I just read a different article, and now this one is saying that only one version is going to offer mmWave.. “the iPhone 12 Pro Max”.. But it is also said / rumored that there is a possibility that they are going to be releasing a 4G only version in a few months too.. Apple has already stated that their Pro model is going to have a fraction of what is available, as what is expected.. Plus, since a lot of people are keeping phones longer these days, even a lot of apple users, the iphone 11 was second in sales in history for iphone sales, only second to the XR?? model.. Something like that.. With their sales so high last model, I still say lets wait and see..

        • Mike Smith

          Yeah well if you believe that put your money where your mouth is and short the stock. ;)

        • Shaun Michalak

          Nope.. As I have said before.. I do not get my moneys worth to buy one.. Now charge me $1000 for a decent laptop, and I will pay it in an instant.. Because that I get my moneys worth out of.. But I do not live on my phone, and a $200 phone will not work any better for me then a $1200 phone.. My laptop is a completely different story..

        • Mike Smith

          I guess there’s no point in embarrassing you further particularly when you don’t understand that you’re being embarrassed. Why don’t you Google “shorting stock” and educate yourself.

        • Shaun Michalak

          Nope.. not embarrassed one bit.. I see people all the time talk big, spend tons, act like they are bit shtts because they have the newest, most expensive, etc.. But you know what.. Most of those people that act like that.. When it all comes down to it, and they lose that high paying job, a lot of the time they lose a lot more then that.. I have seen people lose houses, cars, go in major debt, etc all for bragging rights.. Am I embarrassed that I would rather put that extra $800 in the bank then waste it on a phone for bragging rights?? Not a chance.. But when something happens.. I will be the one sitting back and enjoying myself..

          Just look at all the people right now that are potentially homeless because they decided to buy that $1000 phone, with nothing in the bank.. Well, now they are the ones worrying about where they are going to be living next week..month.. etc.. or how they are going to get around, hiding from the repo man.. All my stuff is paid off, in full, 100%.. I got nothing to worry about.. Am I embarrassed about that.. Not a chance..

        • Mike Smith

          You should be embarrassed that you don’t know what shorting a stock is, not because you use a budget cell phone.

        • Mike

          Shorting stock, what the heck that got to do with over priced phones? I will say something about wall street. Wall street is the tool for the oligarchy nation. The rich get richer while the poor can’t get ahead.

        • Shaun Michalak

          I felt the same way, which is why I ignored the comment.. I could go that way somewhat if it was a leased phone, and he was going under the assumption that he paid part of it off, and then returned it to get a newer model at a discounted price.. But most people do not do that.. They buy the phone in full, and only part of the time trade it back in.. So that would still only come down to a small part of apple users..

        • Mike

          Yeah, I don’t know about talking short on a stock… Wall street is a whole other subject in itself.
          I’d like to know the numbers of people that lease a phone versus buying, I’d guess if the rich class are the only ones buying apple phones, then more are buying..I guess the rest will get on installment payments? But that would cost around 48.00 a month?

        • Shaun Michalak

          Well, I do see things every so often where they say to trade in your old iphone, or whatever, and get so much off of a new one.. Like right now, if you switch to T-Mobile, and are in a certain list, you can trade it in and get a new iphone 11 pro for free.. and in another list it says get up to $800 off.. that is with bill credits for 24 months too of course.. Right now, they have buy one galaxy note 20, get one free by credits, and that one is for existing customers..

          So if you do something like that, every year, it makes having an iphone really cheap compared to full price.. My guess is that is what he was trying to say, but miserable failed at doing.. But on the other hand, it makes me laugh because then it completely contradicts his statement of being for people with money comment.. After all, if you are getting discounts of 50% or more, that does not make them very expensive..

          Either way, I am not an iphone person, never have been, and have no interest in going with them now.. Not even if one was given to me..

        • Mike

          Well they have plenty of room to offer deals on phones. What I’ve been noticing the most is they want you to add a line of service to get the deal, and then lock you into 2 years of payments. That trade in a phone is another thing. You need a top of the line phone to get the most trade in. So what that is doing is making people go 2 years to trade. So eventually everyone will get to trading. I will look at your deals, long as it’s not a add a line.

        • Shaun Michalak

          or when you transfer for the deals either.. I think, on the companies end, that they were smart to move to monthly credits to pay for the phones.. It sucks on the customer end.. But on the company end, it keeps people from coming to the company from another, getting a $500 phone for next to nothing, and then them going back a month later.. I will just stick with paying cash for mine, and then upgrade when I see a good deal, or when there is a reason to upgrade.. Other then that, I see no reason to upgrade just because there is a newer model out.. As long as the phone I have works, fits my needs, that is all that matters..

        • Shaun Michalak

          I see no reason why anyone would be embarrassed about not know what a “shorting a stock” was.. You borrow it, sell it off, buy it back at a lower price, then give it back to the original owner while keeping the profit.. But it has no merit in cell phones.. You are not “borrowing” a cell phone from the cell company.. You still have to put money into that investment, so that completely null and voids that comment, because the original term has no investment of their own.. That is exactly why I completely ignored that comment..

          as for embarrassed.. Well, you made a comment before that many people do not even own a single tool.. It was when we were talking about apple phones and buying one.. Well, in my experience, the only people that do not own any tools (more then say, a screwdriver or a pair of pliers) that I have ever met fall under 1 or 3 categories.. if not more.. They are either elderly and retired, incompetent, or ignorant..

          From my experience, it is usually either incompetent or both, incompetent and ignorant.. I have never talked with, or met someone that was competent at doing things that requires a tool in any way, that did not have some.. and you put this together with iphone users.. Well, I find that much more embarrassing that someone would think of me as incompetent then not wasteful..

        • Mike

          I agree, people will buy a 1000.00 phone before paying other important bills. Why are companies charging so much. I read Apple phone is worth 498.00 plus whatever labor cost it. I don’t think labor cost is 500.00? Maybe 100.00. So that phones is around 598.00. So id guess 400.00 for profit. Companies usually charge double of what the true price is. So the share holders of apple stock should be pleased with that return ratio.

      • Joe

        I think the reason why people think the iPhone is when network technologies are adopted by the masses is because the iPhone usually only uses the new wireless technologies when the technologies is tied out already and is matured. Which is true because only the next gen Qualcomm modems will be truly great modems for 5G.

        • Shaun Michalak

          That is true.. But at the same time, it also lets them let everyone else be the guinea pig too.. They get it after everything is worked out.. Just like Verizon.. They waited until Metro worked everything out before they installed LTE, then VoLTE, and even now, they are the only ones with no 5G on their towers.. Late to the party, but at the same time, less worries about bugs because they already let everyone else find and fix them for them..

      • Glenn Gore

        Yep, people have to remember that that 28% of the market is just ONE phone from ONE manufacturer, which will have a HUGE impact on 5G usage, while that 70% of the market is made up of devices from dozens of manufacturers, most of which do not offer 5G on any phone yet. It’s not all just Samsung phones.

  • Brian

    I’m in Oklahoma and the towers by my house weren’t allowing 5G connections. I called support and was told they are being upgraded to 2.5ghz. The towers were down for about a week but now they are back up ‘we don’t have 2.5ghz.

    • Glenn Gore

      I am in Oklahoma as well. From looking at this list of places, there is a definite focus on the coasts. One city in Texas, one in Missouri, none in Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, the Dakotas, Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, and on & on, it is simpler to cite the only 17 states where these upgrades occurred.

      This really makes sense, because Sprint owned the mid-band spectrum and had it deployed on the coasts. Sprint had very little coverage in Oklahoma as well as as anywhere in the middle of the country, so this is T-Mobile utilizing the spectrum where it had been previously used and the proper equipment is in place.

      T-Mobile has deployed a ton of Band 71 5G in Oklahoma and are continuing to add more all the time. They have a huge hole in northwest Oklahoma with just 2 sites in the middle of it around Woodward, but I have noticed 5G appearing in Clinton and Elk City and in parts of the north side of the gap, so there is progress. They have even added bandwidth to make the 5G better. When they first deployed it in Woodward, you only got up to 10 Mbps on it, now it’s 180 Mbps.

  • Glenn Gore

    In a way it kind of does. The US is the iPhone’s biggest market, they have a HUGE share of it here. And iPhone users have a well-known penchant for upgrading to the latest model, so this fall, even with the pandemic, if the iPhone 12 contains 5G capability, there will be a huge influx of new 5G devices wanting to use the new network. This will pressure T-Mobile to make existing 5G good and to add more coverage quickly.

    • Mike Smith

      It’s not just the US, the iPhone has the top of the market globally. There’s a great quote when the CEO of Porsche was asked about Android auto and he replied that something like 98% of their customers were iPhone users.

      But in the US for certain iPhone will lead the way for 5G. It’s going to be a good year for T-Mobile and not so much for Verizon. AT&T will probably dethrone Verizon first then T-Mobile.

      • Shaun Michalak

        The problem with your statement is it relies on a class of people.. I read an article a while back that stated that Iphone users were more likely to upgrade, and spend more, but were also more self absorbed in the way that things look then android users were.. Porsche is about money, and looks.. People do not say, “hey, I want a Porsche because it is a really reliable car”.. Nope, it is more like, “I want that car because it looks cool”.. Most blue collar workers, that make $10 hr are not buying iphones, they are buying androids.. Just look at the “actual” numbers of what most people are actually using..

        In market share, of what people use to get service, here is what people are currently using..

        Android.. 70.74%
        IOS.. 28.73%

        I think that about says it all..

        • Mike Smith

          I actually had to go look up the minimum wage because I didn’t believe anyone was making only $10/hr in the United States. Apparently it’s $7.25. Who knew?

          But the point is that the iPhone is intended to be a premium product. It’s not made for someone making $10/hr anymore more than any other premium or luxury item is. That’s not their market.

          iPhone users typically have $5-10K in the Apple eco system, from iPhone to AirPods, Apple Watch, iPad, MacBook, and Apple TV. The cheapest Android is… free. It’s just not remotely close to the same thing. And let’s not forget every Android phone is subsidized by Google for all the information they get from you. Apple users don’t give away their privacy for a discounted phone.

        • Shaun Michalak

          Instead of selling your personal data, they make a fortune on being a middleman.. I would say more like “forced” middleman IMO.. To install most stuff, you have to go through the Apple store.. But apple charges the creaters of games and stuff 30% of their income.. So why would they need to sell anything in data collection, when they are profiting off of small businesses that are going under, and refusing to even make a small concession?? here is a quote from an article..

          Apple wouldn’t allow Facebook to tell its users that the tech giant is getting a cut from the sales of paid online events, the social network told Reuters. Earlier this month, Facebook launched a new feature that gives businesses and creators a way to charge for the online events they host on the platform. Since the company rolled it out to help small businesses during the pandemic, it vowed not to collect fees from paid events “for at least the next year.”

          Facebook said it also asked Apple to reduce its 30 percent App Store tax or to at least allow it to use Facebook Pay to collect users’ payments directly. By doing the latter, it can absorb the costs for businesses, which will then get 100 percent of the revenue they generate. Apple refused on both counts,
          prompting the social network to join other developers like Epic Games in putting Apple on blast for its App Store policies.

          So yea, they charge a fee.. But IMO, why would they need to sell anyone’s data when they are “forcefully” hurting small businesses to get that extra buck?? It is a sad day when apple makes facebook look good..

        • Mike

          Plus many rich people own android too, not just apple.

    • Mike

      Good point on market share and buyers. My only thing is the cost. These phones are not 1000.00 to make. Suggested retail price is always high above the base price

      • Mike Smith

        What something costs to make has nothing to do with the value. The value is what it commands in the free market.

        • Mike

          Why are you defending that price ? Yeah, fair market value. I believe Samsung s20 shouldn’t be 1399.00. Oligarchy will charge what they want, if they can squeeze that extra 300.00 they will. Consumer won’t know any different. And the crap just getting the phone directly from the manufacturer is a joke.
          I like transparency I want to know what that phone cost I want to know what the Kickbacks are

        • Mike Smith

          Well too bad it’s not of your business There is no transparency in capitalism go back to China. Wait there’s no transparency there either! Ha ha

        • Mike

          Haha, you make funny digs.. Well oligarchy is close to capitalism. But now we have Google, so now i can find out almost anything. At least in other countries you can haggle on prices. Our country not so much. South Korea is good for haggling. If Apple would put a respectable price on that phone, I might actually try it. Maybe I can fly to Korea and haggle on the apple phone.

        • Mike

          It’s not a free market if something is highly price. As a consumer I have the right to know what that phone is made for. It’s not supposed to be some Secret. Whoever sits around and pre-orders new phones is the problem too cuz they’re the one setting the price point. I’m proud I don’t pay $1,000 for a phone. Let alone a Apple phone.

        • Mike Smith

          I feel like I’m in the twilight zone. First a free market has nothing to do with something being highly priced. A free market means that someone who owns something can sell it for whatever price they can get. Also, you do not “have a right” to know what something is made of or what it costs. It’s none of your business and it has nothing to do with what it is sold for. What country do you live in?

        • Mike

          Twilight zone..haha, funny. Maybe you ought to say your in the right wing zone. All this is a conversation about high price phones… you support the oligarchy plain and simple…And I do not, but i do have a right to know things because this is American and I have the right to know phone costs of the phone now., no thanks to your one way mind. An apple cost around 496.00 then add in some labor cost. That don’t add up to 1000.00. Go goggle and read cost actual cost of iPhone. You might learn something. You go spend a 1000.00 for that phone, in my opinion it’s not worth it. Do some homework.

        • Mike Smith

          The “actual cost” of the phone is irrelevant. And NO, you don’t “have a right” to know what something costs. If you don’t think something is worth the price, don’t buy it.

  • Mike

    At least Android has many phones to choose from unlike iPhone you are at there mercy for a new one to come out. That alone keeps there price high. I can say one thing, they are smart on pricing, because most are ignorant to the true cost.

  • Shaun Michalak

    Yes it does. Mass produced means they are not taking every detail into account.. There is a big difference between hand made and mass produced.. A hand made item usually will always have better quality then a mass produced one.. You think that hand made solid wood shelf has the same quality as that fiber board mass produced one.. Not even close..

    and FYI, if I wanted a Iphone, I could go buy one in an instant.. It is not that I can not afford one.. It is the fact that I “choose” not to waste my money on one.. 2 different things.. If you are not going to get your moneys worth, then you are just wasting your money..

    • Mike Smith

      OK it’s clear you’ve never purchased anything expensive but what you need to understand is it doesn’t matter if in your opinion “they’ve taken every detail into account” or not. That’s irrelevant. What matters is the opinion of the person buying it. Not the poor guy who can’t afford it anyway. It’s not made for you. And people with money to waste can waste as much of it as they like. You should worry more about making your OWN money than how other people spend theirs?

      • Shaun Michalak

        Did I ever say I was worried about it?? Nope.. Just stated a fact.. and if you think I have never bought anything expensive.. Well, you obviously have never priced MAC or Snap-on tools.. They are something like 5 times the price of Craftsman.. and probably 8 times the price of Harborfreight junk.. You said something in another post about people do not own any tools.. Well, I got more money into tools, then if I bought a new, top of the line Iphone for at least the next 5 years.. Probably closer to 10.. I have just as much, if not more money into anime to watch too.. and I can guarantee you that anime is a heck of a lot more expensive to buy then american made shows.. I only go cheap on things that I think are not worth it.. Iphones are one of them..

      • Wenjun Yu

        You keep saying iPhone is expensive and people can’t afford it. Now everybody knows how small a life you are living.

        • Shaun Michalak

          The irony is, if you do things right, they really are not that expensive.. Get one when they have deals.. trade in your old one and get half off, or whatever.. If you constantly upgrade every time you get it paid off, it really does not make them that expensive.. Just look at the basic version.. $700.. Trade in and get half off, and suddenly the phone is costing $350.. When you think about it that way, it really can be “not very expensive” to get and own an iphone..

          It is just that people that get them, think that it is a status quo thing, and it makes them more high class.. after all, it is an “iphone”.. It is kind of like saying, hey, I have a BMW.. I say yea, so it is an iphone.. But will it break the first time you drop it?? Oh wait, iphones did that last release.. lol and just like that, in the end, people with actual jobs that their phones are getting any kind of abuse go with androids because a lot of them “are” durable.. I for one have never seen a roofer, or construction worker walking around with an iphone in their pocket.. Androids, yes.. but iphones, no.. I think there just might be a reason for that..

        • Mike

          Most people will pick one of the other . The only plus I give to apple is it’s resale value..other than that I don’t care for the iOS system. I like Samsung because they have better cell reception. I’d like an s20 but not with that price. I’ll wait for a sale.

        • Shaun Michalak

          I have had a lot of phones over the years, from many companies.. The ones that I stay away from are the Chinese brands.. I have seen too many glitches, problems, etc with them.

          As for reception, I have checked samsung, and LG side to side, with the models that I have had, and they both seem to be pretty even in their reception strength.. For low budget models, I prefer the LG.. The cheap end models of Samsung that I have seen and tried are not that great.. Their mid and higher end ones are a different story.. But the budget model ones.. Nope.. Not with samsung..

          LG seems pretty consistent in their phones, at least the ones I have tried, from the budget model and up.. For example, the lower end Aristo models seems pretty close to the Stylo models in reliability, durability, signal strength, and how the work.., Taking specs into consideration here too.. I know the stylo is not a high end phone, but it is a good hundred dollars more expensive, so it is a step up from their low end budget model..

          As for the iOS system.. I am with you on the fact that I do not care for it either..

        • Glenn Gore

          As a quality audio fan, I gave in to the allure of the LG V30 and its quad-DAC, which was fantastic, I still use the phone as an audio player only. But in the 3 years I used it as my cellphone, it only received ONE full Android OS update, and was always woefully behind on Google Security updates, to the point now that it has not received one in ages. I since learned that this is a fact of life with LG, their track record on Android updates is horrific. It was essentially an unsupported device a year after it came out.

          I find this unacceptable, my privacy and security are important to me and evidently they are not to LG, so I will never own another LG device again, I don’t care what goodies they contain. With my iPhones, I get full iOS updates for years day/date they are released, along with minor updates and security patches day/date they are released as well. Android could learn a lot from this.

        • Shaun Michalak

          You think LG is bad.. Heck, I had one of those china branded ones, and that phone never got a single update the whole time I had it.. LG may not be the fastest at getting updates out, but at least they do put updates out.. China brand ones, at least the ones that I have tried, do not put any updates out..

  • Mike

    Yes it can be overpriced because who is going to tell you any difference? I don’t get why you think that’s a proper price. Don’t mean it’s any better than android .Now if you hold Apple stock, then I could understand by supporting the oligarchy.

  • Still no 5G in Arizona even though they have false advertising all over TV about it and that 600 Mhz band 71 is just as weak and slow as their other bands!

    • Mike

      Oh wait, your location is on some magical list, who knows when your city will be next. Join in the hype. Make sure to get that new highly priced phone.

  • dcmanryan

    False. Apple is a trend at this point and is indeed way overpriced for what you get. But until people speak with their wallet nothing will change. You’re both somewhat right.

    Churros sale great at Disneyland but I think you’ll agree they aren’t worth the $6 or $7 dollars.