HTC Glacier=Project Emerald?

According to some recently uncovered GLBenchmark Pro 1.1 charts,  results show a new handset dubbed the HTC Glacier, which is rumored is be T-Mobile’s infamous Project Emerald. The benchmark results which are very impressive, show that this HTC Glacier handset definitely packs a huge punch and according to AlienBabelTech, who found the entry, believe the handset houses a dual-core processor. You may recall, a while back, there had been rumors of a dual-core HTC device heading to Magenta this Holiday season. Additionally, the user that had uploaded these results has also uploaded results for various other T-Mobile USA branded smartphones. To top it off, the guy’s LinkdIn profile reads that he is a Senior Interaction Designer at T-Mobile USA. We’re diggin’ for more details, so stay tuned!

Engadget Via AlienBabelTech

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  • jeff
    • Bruce Banner

      This isn’t about the vibrant gps issue. Go find a relevant article to post your link.

      • Peter

        True that Mr. Banner; “Hulk” should smash him for that…lol

    • cirrob

      What the hell does this have to do with the rumored device featured in this article? is your phone so broken you cannot post to the right article?

    • jdog

      @Jeff My GPS is working fine….. on my Nexus One LOL.

      • vinny

        My GPS on my Nexus One runs great. Would not trade my Nexus One for any device out there. I will wait for the super phone to come out. It will have to be more then just super to beat my Nexus.

    • 2Noob4U

      Dude seriously what does this have to do with anything even remotely related to an HTC phone. Everyone knows about the GPS issue for the Vibrant. That’s why they release new phones like ones from HTC that get updates (Behold) or don’t have a GPS issue (Vibrant).

  • 30014

    Looks like I know what my next phone is.

  • jlatnyc

    whoo, who!

  • mtnman

    Well this sounds very interesting. I might have assumed that the Project Emerald Phone wouldn’t be called Emerald anyways, that would be too easy to catch. Now since it’s the Holiday season “Glacier” would be a fitting name. Now I’m upgrading this Friday to the Vibrant, for a number of reasons, one being price, because although the new HSPA+ phone looks fantastic, I wonder how much Money it’s going to be? I betting in the range of at least $300-$350 and that’s on a new or existing upgrade.

    • Leachpunk

      That’s silly, most cell phone carriers rarely break the 200$ limit on new contracts / upgrades, especially T-Mobile. This will probably be just another 199 phone.

    • ItsMichaelNotMike

      I agree with you mtnman… with one caveat. We will only see those kinds of prices if the economy improves.

      While I too have experienced the prices you mention, for example on the Touch Pro2 in August 2009 (that was $350 with two year contract), soon thereafter T-Mobile’s competitors went with lower prices on the flagship WinMo phone, e.g., some carrier’s versions of the TP2 were priced at $200. Carriers’ Touch Pro2 pricing was the start of what I call “default pricing” for top line phones, $200.

      While T-Mobile had priced the TP2 beyond what users were willing to pay for a superphone, the Company learned from its Touch Pro2 “mis-pricing.” This is best evidenced by looking at the March 2010 debut of the HD2.

      T-Mobile debuted the better-spec’d HD2 for $200 (better in comparison to the Touch Pro2). Is the $200 default price for first cabin phones here to stay? Well… witness the all-over-the-map price speculation related to the Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant. (Coincidentally, the SGS is a good “comparator” of industry-wide $200 default pricing since all carriers will have the SGS.)

      So with the July debuted Vibrant we again see evidence that T-Mobile has learned its lesson, no more $300 to $350 subsidized handsets.

      Of course (and as I said in March 2009) if the economy improves carriers will go back to the $300 to $350 pricing model, that is, for first cabin phones on a two year deal.

      But I don’t think we are there yet so we can all relax, premium, top flight phones will stay at $200. Correction, not “we” can relax but “you.” That’s because I am on an Even More Plus plan and pay the full freight on any phone I get.

      However, IMHO there’s even a default price for full retail superphones. It looks like $300 to $550 are what the market will bear for full retail.

      Sidenote: When I pay those prices I simply remind myself that’s still a good deal compared to what Europeans pay and what I used to pay for a Vader or Star Tac phone 10 years ago. (Back then we paid $500 for a phone whose only “feature” was that it was the smallest phone in the U.S. and sometimes the world.)

    • bleedingmagenta

      $300 to #500 on a 2yr would be the worst thing to happen. realistically (based off of all the latest handset releases) $200 – $300 should be the price point. TMO wouldn’t release it that high because it wouldn’t sell.

      they are actually wanting to get growth and new customers from the device. I would see it being $249 after $50 rebate!

      • hineschr

        You can thank the iphone 3G for the current smartphone pricing. Since the top smartphone in mindshare and sales debuted at $199 it would be suicide for other carriers to price their phones higher.

        We can all thank apple for one thing, they sure have made smartphones more mainstream and accessible.

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  • J-Hop2o6

    all these code names! which is which?

    HTC Vanguard/Vision/G1-G2 Blaze/
    HTC Glacier
    HTC myTouch HD
    HTC Emerald
    HTC Sidekick Twist

    But i don’t think the Glacier will be the HTC Emerald.. but look how close the Glacier is on the Hummingbirds (PowerVR 540) GPU ass.. nice! can’t wait to see the whole line up for the rest of 2010!

    • chris

      Not impressive at all.The Glacier is probably running on stock froyo while the galaxy was benchmarked bloatware-ridden 2.1.

      • bleedingmagenta

        the “uncorfirmed” rumors is that it will be the first android running Gingerbread in the US. either 2.3 or 3.0, whichever Google decides to assign it as.

  • Glacier… That’s a name that leaves so many possible negative connotations… I’m in no rush to replace my iPhone 3GS but if this phone is 21mbps HSPA capable and has a decent battery life it may just do the trick. Details will be fun to wait for.

  • bigc17

    Intresting find……I guess. After all this time about hearing about project emerald and this is all the people have to say about it… pictures, no ui screnshots, no videos, no actual specs and no actual release date.Come on T-Mobile, you can do better than this, tell your customers something better about this phone and persued us to stay with tmo.
    Oh yeah p.s……
    Tell is more about the first hspa+ phone that comes out in september, its been almost a week and no new news yet, please give us some actual specs, photos, fcc approval and a release date.

    • Brian

      tmo is no fun how they keep everything under close wraps

  • mtnman

    Hey, just think after we all get this super phone, we’ll all be droling for the next CITA phone to appear in June. And then of course next Christmas there’ll be another super phone which will put this lattest super phone to shame. I’ll be one that not only makes your breakfast, but serve it to you in bed. I know, keep dreaming right?

    • pimpstrong

      My God I can’t imagine next summer’s phones. Project Emerald is actually outdated already in a sense.

  • AM

    I just hope that this is NOT the mytouch hd/project emerald cause mytouch is corny.

    • TMOprophet


  • Steven

    The Galaxy S beats it with its single core processor….. I am not impressed.

    • coggy9

      The tester is using pre release software and maybe hardware. So that could easily change. If I didn’t have nexus and a even more plus plan, this would be my next phone.

    • mjc987

      how can you proof that smartguy?

    • TMOprophet

      They also mentioned that the Benchmark software might not be designed to work optimally with the architecture of the Dual Core processor, so those benchmarks will probably change and be much higher..possibly

  • phonegeek

    finally what i wanted to find out ( sigh) my next phone im holdin tight so i dont get something i really DONT want

  • sorandkairi

    We can only hope…..

  • wp7

    just to give you heads up…. this is a windows phone 7 device. Emarald is not same as glacier. emarald is android, also known as future fail.

    • TMOprophet

      I don’t think so.

    • Longsh0t

      Just to give you a heads up…this is a iOS4 device. Emerald is not same as glacier. Emerald is the iPhone, also know as future fail.

      Just to give you a heads up…this is a Nintendo device. Emerald is not same as glacier. Emerald is the DS, also know as future fail.

      Just to give you a heads up…this is a Stark Enterprises device. Emerald is not same as glacier. Emerald is Iron Man, also know as future fail.

      See how easy it is to sound completely stupid? Why not post a source next time you want to pull things out of your ass.

      • TMOprophet

        Emerald is Iron Man……FTW

    • 16309A

      How do you know?

  • wp7

    i mean seriously open source? do they not get it, it doesnt pay. Get a real job…. android is broken, and beyond repair. only option left is start over, with a new begining. this time lets not copy iphone.

    • B

      Pathetic isn’t even the word

    • Leachpunk

      Hey you know, that sounds like a plan. I agree that the open source community is dumb. Providing people with high quality products at no cost, to only further your rep in the software development industry and land 100k+ a year jobs. Open Source is so silly. It really is an amazement that Google has been around 10+ years and ranks in the top 10 in one of the most successful companies in the United States. I think Open Source should close its ass and lock everyone down from being free. Then we can just impose the Arizona Immigration law on everyone, and we’ll just come right out and call it Racial Profiling (that’s what it really is anyway). Hey then we can move to a one world power, Under Apple, One entity, under Steve Jobs. I like not being an individual with choices and freedoms. Go Communism!

      • david

        Leachpunk, dont feed the troll bro. Your only encourging them.

      • johnny

        the core of mac OSX and iOS is also based off open source, just not a linux kernel. they started from FreeBSD instead. Personally ,i prefer the development model of Linux, but such is life

    • TheLight

      thats why android is activating over 150k phones a day.. Im a fan6oy of android 6ut Im not going to 6ash windows or apple, but num6ers dont lie… simple truth is, android is open source and we get hella lot of more free then what others have to pay for it…and guess what, its matter how fragmented just as apple is now fragmented too, people will 6uy to their specifications not to our top quality standards and thats why android will continue to take over the smartphone can advance so fast just like I did and still is 6ecuz of this…think, it came out in 08 and two years later thats all you hear a6out… why people are talking less a6out windows mo6ile…RIM..and even apple has the iphone 4 and they are still taking a loss too(stucc to AT&T) cuz every carrier just released iphone killer even AT&T with their locced down galaxy

      for one I love my magenta cuz they used to strict like AT&T and eased up alot within the last 5 years and now we have the 6est plans and fore coming is the pro6a6ly going to the 6est smartphone line-up in the market…I see T-Mo6ile gaining a hella lot during the 4th quarter..

      I agree, school this youngin

      • cirrob

        something is wrong with your keyboard. the 6 and b buttons are all switched up making you look like a retarded teenager.

      • TMOprophet

        Google says 200,000 a day now!!

        Android FTW

      • TheLight


        No..thats the way I type..Im a grown man and I care to have my own style of typing when Im in 6log mode.. this isnt a term paper so I dont have to 6e proper.. funny thing is, out of that whole spill all you comprehended was that my b key might not work so I replace them with sixs…lol… what a6out everything else I said…this is a 6log not grammar class so comment on my text not the way I type it..thanks

        thanks for correction…I c you actually read what I typed and now how I typed it…people these days are ridiculously irrelevant… 6ut now that its 200k a day I dont see whos going to stop Andrioid from taking over…alot developers light 6ul6 just clicced on and I 6et we see a fast tracc in the application market 6y Decem6er…lets go Android and Magenta!

      • cirrob

        The reason everything else you said was lost on me was because I canot get past your idiotic “style”. This is why they teach you to write in school; so you can properly communicate your thoughts. By ignoring or rejecting the common and accepted practice of communication you come off as an idiot. No you are not an adult. you could be 60 years old, have grand kids, etc, but as long as you try to communicate the way you do, you are a child.

  • Relikk2

    lol, Vibrant still beats it.

    • TMOprophet

      SOme of the other screen shots show the Glacier higher, But yeah they are pretty close..interesting

  • Brian

    i dont understand the results. can someone help explain it to me please? thanks

  • Acaciastrain

    I don’t think this is meant to be a super phone/high tier that sombve are saying it will be. Seems like it will just be a mid level phone that is supposed to be a sort of teaser or prelude to a HSPA+ super phone we’ll be seeing here someone late this year but probably early/mid next year. Nothing to complain about though. This phone obviously won’t compete against the vibrant/evo but definitely could be one of the best mid level phones on any carrier. Especially if it can reach 10-21 mbps speeds.

    • B

      Are you basing these theories on anything substantial?

    • TMOprophet

      The benchmarks on this thing destroy the EVO by over 3 times..what are talking about?

      Go to the source link and read the article, this thing has a dual core snapdragon, and while the SGS still comes in close, this Glacier destroys all the others.

      This is no mid level phone, this will be the super phone.

      • TheLight

        amen 6rother

  • newyorkking

    I compared this so called device with others.
    HTC Glacier has a 1432 Frame
    Samsung Vibrant-1409
    Iphone 4-1016
    Nexus One- GEts murked at 511
    Droid x-856
    HTC Incredible-484 (raped
    Dell Streak- unknowned
    Iphone3G s-849

  • Acaciastrain


    (I don’t quite like Swype just yet)

  • not4sakn

    Are you kidding me? “Android is broken, and needs repair”??? Windows is the worst OS that exist, period! Even on the HD2 with great hardware, its quickly crippled once windows is added. Do us all a favor and troll somewhere else.

    • TMOprophet


      • pimpstrong


    • david

      Not4sakn dont feed the troll bro. That line from WP7 is to get someone like you all riled up. Of course everything you said was right, but dont encourage the trolls. STOP FEED THE TROLLS!

  • Ryan

    Interesting. Unfortunately it will still be chop-shop Chinese construction from HTC.

    • matt

      chop-chop construction? i have had multiple htc phones that are still working after years of use. not so with samsung, motorola, or apple. my experience anyway


      I have an HTC TP2 and it’s a well built phone, it does not feel choppy or cheap. Very nice, maybe you should own one and get a good feel of HTS quality.

      • Wilma Flintstone

        I agree. I went to demo the Vibrant at my local Tmo store. I was not pleased. The build quality felt really cheap as if it would snap without the battery in it and didn’t feel that much more solid with the battery in it. I was told by alot of people that Samsung’s devices usually have bad build quality but I wanted to see for myself. It feels really cheaply built. I thought it was going to be somewhere close to as solid as my HD2 but it’s no comparison, the HD2 feels like solid metal and the Vibrant feels like thin plastic.

        I was amazed at how much it looked like an iPhone. Me and some friends ran multiple speed tests on the vibrant and it was pulling 300-400kbps in the tmobile store. Thats the same speeds as the Touch Pro 2 which my friend had and ran side by side. My HD2 was pulling 700kbps-1mbps+ in the store.

        The SAMOLED Screen was gorgeous though. It looks lightyears better than my HD2’s screen. I didn’t know that 0.3inches was such a big difference though. I put my HD2 beside the Vibrant to see the difference and the HD2 screen makes the Vibrant screen look small but the Vibrants SAMOLED made the HD2 screen look dark.

        The Vibrant was pretty quick as far as going through menus and such. Night Mode on the camera was beautiful and works very well. The standard camera quality was great as well. Overall though, I wasn’t impressed with the Vibrant. That’s just my experience with the Vibrant so if you like it, then thats fine but my opinion is that I wasn’t impressed.

      • Ryan

        I have owned multiple HTC phones. HTC has a reputation for cutting corners in the construction of their phones, especially their precious Nexus One.

        Take any of the HTC phones (Incredible, HD2, Nexus One, Evo, MyTouch Slide) and a Vibrant. Start dropping them both repeatedly on the ground from about 3-4 feet up. Every HTC phone’s screen will break before the Vibrant’s. In fact, I’d bet the screen would shatter on the first drop for a lot of them.

        Samsung and Motorola both have HTC beat in terms of the construction of their phones.

      • Wilma Flintstone

        Sorry you feel that way Ryan and I haven’t owned a Nexus so I can’t tell you about the build quality of that one. I’m basing my info off of the HTC phones I’ve demoed/owned and HTC has a much better build quality than the Vibrant I demoed at Tmobile Store. Now I’ve heard from numerous different sources that Samsung usually doesn’t have good builds for their phones but I wanted to see for myself before blindly agreeing with them and from demoing the Vibrant, they were 100% correct.

        I knew someone would try to defend the Vibrant as well. I’m sure if you drop both the HD2 and the Vibrant at the same time, the HD2 will in fact hit the ground first due to the HUGE weight difference from the Metal Casing as opposed to Plastic, but I counter your argument that if you drop something ON both phones, I bet the Vibrant will break first.

        And as far as Motorola goes, from What I’ve experienced, Motorola’s Droid X build quality isn’t as good as the HD2. Now the Hardware inside is better but the build doesn’t feel as solid as the HD2.

        I know every company has good and bad devices but from what I demoed on Sunday, the Vibrant’s build quality couldn’t hold a candle to the HD2’s build quality in no way, shape or form. Now the Vibrant has some great software, but as far as the build, no way.

        I would love to see where you got your info from as far as Samsung and Motorola beating HTC as far as Construction and I’m not a major HTC fan, I like Nokia devices but I’d love to see where you’re getting this info from if it’s something on the web that you can link to.

      • Longsh0t

        Since we’re already offtopic here’s a nice video of some durability tests done on the Samsung Galaxy S.

        I can only assume they use the same materials on the US versions.

      • TMOprophet

        Most HTC phones I have messed with felt pretty solid

        Not always true for Sammy, The Vibrant does feel cheap, that was one of the reasons I didn’t get it. And don’t get me started on my BH2….

  • NiiDiddy

    this is good; this is good…!! would be nice to know more, but will take what info we as and hope more i learned soon.

  • TMOguy

    PLEASE BE ANDROID!!!! I swear to god, if this is another windows phone, I’m going to off myself!

    • TMOprophet

      me too

    • Brian

      haha, i didnt even thing about that possibility. no more winmo plz!

    • Patrick

      Whats wrong with Win Mobile? Just because YOU don’t like it doesn’t mean others dont find it useful….i know I do. plus…if it’s a WP7 device…it’d be REALLY nice to have the first on on the T-Mobile network

      • pimpstrong

        Dude you know good and well what was wrong with WM. You buy a shiny new $450 device and its laggy and buggy from the get go. I am 100% certain that WP7 will not have this same issue but the OS itself to me is just Zune made into a phone. Those block icons on the home screen look way too simple minded and big like a Jitterbug phone IMO.

      • Wilma Flintstone

        after all these issues I’ve had with WinMo and this HD2, WinMo is terrible. I gave it a shot but was severely let down.

      • Wilma Flintstone

        I bought the HD2 at $450 and have had nothing but problems out of both software and hardware. It’s terrible. XDA is turning into an Android site also. Wmexperts has waaayyy too much software with viruses and such. There are programs for it but you have to be a IT Technician to know how to install most of them. It’s just not good in my opinion.

      • Wilma Flintstone

        patrick, if it’s one thing I’ve learned in the cell phone business, it’s that being first isn’t always good. Tmo was the *first* company in the US to get Android OS but now look, Every other company has better Android devices.

        Tmo was also the *first* US company to get a huge 4.3inch superphone (that was crippled by WinMo unfortunately) and now look, Sprint and Verizon have better 4.3inch superphones (that have better specs, features and a better OS).

        Now of course, there are situations where being first is beneficial like HSPA+.

  • mjN1

    All I know is this is my next phone comming Nov. I was told its a Nexus one on RoidS!!! wooowee. Then and only then I put my Nexus as a back up phone. Dual core, 4.3, maybe a FFC? Go Tmob and Android. Im sure I can hold it the way I want with out a case or a bumper right? lol…

  • TMOprophet

    I really want to see pics of this thing. That’s the only thing left for me to see.

    If it looks as good as it is powerful, then I know what my next phone is :)

    T-Mobile = Success!!!!!!!!!

    See guys, I don’t say everything about TMO is a fail. This time I am very pleased with the news. :)

  • ctk

    although this phone does not interest me, I hope it comes to magenta, only because another powerful phone that people will buy makes t-mobile that more attractive to other people, especially with that fast underreported 3g network we got going on here.

  • mikeeeee

    only trouble with all this new hardware is in order to enjoy all it can do is the person has to remain focused and still.

    the best phones i ever had were my nokia 6800 and my nokia e-70.

    i used them both for 2+ years each and if i could ANDROID the e-70 i’d be using it now.

    because they had a simple dialpad when i was on the move and a qwerty when i needed to focus.

    that’s what i need is a phone i can use with my thumb when i’m moving and swype when i’m not.

    all this new sexy hardware cannot be operated with one hand while on the fly.

  • NokiaN900User

    Nice spec for a phone BUT Im not sold unless I know that this phone has a SAMOLED. And we know how samsung is holding on tight to its screens lol

    This will be a Gingerbread phone BTW unless google releases it late

    • watbetch

      It won’t have SAMOLED, this is going to be a panel only featured on Samsung devices for a while. The best we’ll see here is AMOLED or STFT from Sony. I would take Sony’s TFT over a regular AMOLED display.

      • psil0cybn

        ME TOO! Sony’s STFT is reported to use only 20% of the battery power that today’s AMOLED screens do and is reported to be comparable in quality (most people would only be able to tell the difference in a side-by-side comparison – AMOLED being a bit brighter). That being the case, it may be a good compromise in order to power that dual core in the Glacier without sacrificing battery life.

        I still use my original OCT 22nd 2008 G1 (android 1.5!)… At this point, waiting for an upgrade is torture. Force Close or Wait? I guess this time I’ll wait…

        Team Glacier? Count me in.

    • mjcl987

      Its not samoled,. But from what I’ve heard its going to have a new screen tecnology, which totally beats current ones

      • TMOprophet

        It could be Pixel Qi…

        Check em out, they are pretty interesting


    I read the whole article and saw the videos. It is without a doubt a new super phone, with dual core processor, 21mbps HSPA+ capable and more than decent battery life. I just cooked the Energy Rom to my TP2 Win-Mo and love it. It will keep me happy until this new phone arrives later this year or early 2011. Nice to know TMobile is bringing a nicer phone than the other carriers. Just makes it easy to stick with TMobile; less money for talk, data, etc and good customer satisfaction. Just improve the phones and make us happy!!!

    • Relikk2

      I’m still not sure why everyone so caught up on 21mbps, there is really no real world application for that speed yet. It’s only bragging rights. You really won’t see any difference in webrowsing compared to the 7.2 phones.

      I guess the one big benifit would be teathering, so if you plan on doing that with lots of PC’s and downloading from servers that don’t care about bandwith then it will be good.

  • chotpy

    yeah… so, keyboard or no keyboard?

    • TheLight

      I want a dedicated kb too…

  • Relikk2

    I’m wonder if battery life will be any good with dual core?

    • umaluver

      It uses less power than current snapdragon processors.

    • J-Hop2o6

      the newer 45nm Snapdragons uses less power than the older/previous 60nm Snapdragons.

      • TMOprophet

        Yep, and these new chipsets are supposed to have much better battery life because of the 45nm and much improved architecture.

  • Cool

    They updated on Aliens site and. Glaciar is off it now interesting?

    • TMOprophet

      Yeah it seems as if that Mike guy doesn’t want to get

  • Alex

    So many great phones headed to magneta’s way this year, but the mytouch hd for me :)

  • I think they may be looking at the criticisms of Android Ecosystem and trying something different. I hope that Google makes some changes that make it a powerhouse that enterprise and the green robot fans find appealing. The devil is in the details we will have to wait and see…

  • alex32

    now i am confused. so maybe there will be 3 android phones by the years end? We’ll have to wait and watch. Something tells me this wont be project emerald though. If it the name of “glacier” something tells me it will come out either in the winter either in december or january. I also wouldnt be surprised if the mytouch 3g HD would be project emerald and the glacier to be a WM7 phone. Remember WM7 phone releases at the end of the year. Just my 2 cents….im dying to get rid of my curve 8900 for one of these “super phones”. Time will tell

    • chotpy

      no, sir. read the source article. glacier is an android.

      • alex32

        my bad, yeah i got to read the full article and i saw it was android. I still think this “glacier” will be that G1 blaze everyone was talking about. I highly doubt tmobile will bring 3 android super phones from htc by the years end.

    • TMOprophet

      I dont think it will be the Blaze, they wouldn’t launch a superphone before a lower powered one. Its the Emerald

      • TMOprophet

        After thinking twice, I suppose that this being the Blaze could be theoretically possible, if the Blaze has the enhanced 1.3Ghz Single Core processor from Qualcomm’s second generation chipsets.

        Although it is worth noting that according to the math done at the source of this story, they figure on one of the dual core processors.

        I will hope for the latter. :)

  • Barry

    Has anyone seen HTC’s slcd in personal yet? if so how is it I already know it wont compare to samoled. Reserve my hypeness when I see something more concrete…not being skeptical just tired of speculating on something unseen or touched and no accurate spec sheet.

    • J-Hop2o6

      Sony S-LCD vs. S-AMOLED vs. AMOLED vs. LCD

      • Cybersedan

        Wow, so basically S-AMOLED easily beats S-LCD… it will be so hard to move from my Vibrant to anything that doesn’t compare screen wise. Those who keep saying the phone feel cheap and like it will break apart need to watch that durability test on youtube showing the Galaxy S taking screen torture tests and drops that would make many of those solid brick feeling like phones shatter.

  • going_home

    Exciting stuff !
    I will have to decide whether I value the faster Android updates
    with the Nexus or the speed of this phone.
    I imagine its an HSDPA+ phone too along with dual core processor
    and some fantastic GPU.


  • Wilma Flintstone

    This is great news! I’m not too sure on that 800×480 but it hasn’t done me wrong yet so I’ll be content with it. The frames are kinda low so I hope these aren’t final. Main things I want this to have is a:

    Solid Build quality (metal not plastic)
    dual core processor
    dual xenon flash or dual LED flash
    Night mode on camera as well
    HDMI Out or TV out (it’s sad that the HD2 has no TV/HDMI out)
    HSPA+ Capable
    Android 3.0 Gingerbread
    4.3inch screen (preferably with HTC’s SLCD Display)

    I’ll be satisfied with that. Come on HTC Glacier, bring TMOUSA a great superphone.

    • TheLight

      and might I seriously add…

      2 Mics
      Hot spot capa6ilities
      A 6ad azz screen that does something simple and unique to open..
      Full Qwerty Key6oard with dedicated num6ers

      I want my Superphone G1 style… any6ody feel me?

      • Wilma Flintstone

        I’d like to add something MAJOR that I left out accidently. I’d like this phone to have… A price tag of $200 on contract and around $450 or lower off contract. That would make me :) with glee.

    • J-Hop2o6

      frames kinda low? wtf? its neck to neck with the SGS.. who knows what the results will look like once final production comes out with all the optimizations.

      • Cybersedan

        I like how, “Solid build” equals metal not plastic… I’d really like to see someone do some drop torture tests comparing the “plasticy” feeling Vibrant to some of these brick phones that are so solidly built.

        I’ve seen durability tests on the Vibrant, would love to see how EVO or Droid X would hold up to the same tests… I’d have my money on the Vibrant. We have a weird way of thinking that heavy / hard means more durable, when that is far from the truth.

      • Wilma Flintstone

        Why so defensive? People only get defensive like that when an opinion digs deep enough to where it could be truth. If what I was saying or anybody says negatively about the Vibrant was sooo traumatic to you that it made you feel like you have to defend it every time anyone mentions it then you seriously need help. Don’t let it bother you sooo much, it’s only my opinion.

        Fact is, the Vibrant feels cheaply made in my opinion. If you don’t like my opinion then it doesn’t matter to me. Fact also is that everyone will not like what you like. If you like the Vibrant, that’s perfectly fine, but not everyone will agree with you on everything so just chill and realize that it was my OPINION. K?

    • TMOprophet

      I was surprised at the 800×480 too, the dual core chipset can handle way higher….

      • Wilma Flintstone

        exactly what I was thinking too. Dual core should be capable of more than 800 x 480, seriously. And I think it should be able to handle many more frames than that also.

      • TMOprophet

        Yeah this screen resolution is disappointing to me, I have read that the dual cpu snapdragons can handle resolutions up to 1280×800.

        I wasn’t expecting that high, but I was hoping for a higher def screen.

        This could almost be a deal breaker for me, but I will probably still get it though.

      • Steven

        Same. I’m really hoping for a hi-res screen.

  • TMOprophet

    its good but darker colors are better with samoled.

  • TheLight

    Quarter 2 figures:

    OS 6reakdown

    33% ANDORID
    28% RIM
    23% APPLE

    Top Model Sellers:

    Motorola Droid
    HTC Droid Incredible
    HTC EVO 4G
    HTC Hero
    HTC Droid Eris

    Carrier Breakdown
    33% Verizon
    25% AT&T
    13% Sprint
    12% Magenta…lets c how much this num6er changes 6y quarter 4

    this was reported 6y Engadget…

  • wp7

    give me one open source phone that beat iphone, blackberry. u can’t….. its like looking for a unicorn. there is none out there

    • Relikk2

      I’m not sure in what respect you mean “name one that beats it” but IMHO Android is one. Blackberry does not really have comparable devices, unless you want to talk about the Storm… If your talking about apps, yes the IPhone has the most but that will change real quickly. Think about i; many major electronic manufacture (other then apple) have or are now creating an Android base phones. It’s as simple as supply and demand.

  • wp7

    the only reason google chose open for mobile was toencourag app development….apps key to success

  • noname

    the emrald i believe will be a windows 7 device unfortunatley according to an HTC rep that i talked to. He also said there will be 3 HTC devices being realesed. September, NOVEMBER and DECEMBER :)

    • joel

      Either you’re lying, or the “HTC rep” you talked to is a moron. Project Emerald will be an Android device. Just look at the leaked T-Mobile road map- the green Android is stamped next to all Android devices, and there clearly is one next to “Emerald.” I do believe there is a WP7 device coming, but it’s not Project Emerald.

      • mjcl987

        Indeed, there will be a WP7 phone next to that, and its the Shubert

  • WXman

    F*** AT&T.

    • ctk


  • ObsceneJesster

    So let me get this straight. The Galaxy S is more powerful than a phone that isn’t even released yet? My god, I can’t wait to see what kind of scores the Galaxy S pumps out when it get’s the 2.2 treatment.

    To the people who think the Galaxy S feels cheap because it’s so light:

    Samsung made the phone light because most people don’t want to walk around with a 10 pound weight in there pocket. Yea, I agree. A little more heft would have made the device feel more solid in the hands but it also would have made it feel worse in your pocket. If Samsung wanted to make it heavier they could have just added some weights to it.

    • mad dog

      Dude, no need to defend the vibrant. Some people will like it some won’t. Remember that you are only speaking your opinion, so don’t talk as if what you say is fact. Hell I passed on the vibrant just because of touchwiz. Others like it and that doesn’t bother me one bit.

    • Relikk2

      The rumors I’ve read is that the Hummingbird doesn’t play well with the JIT complier; Maybe that’s why it is taking so long for the update in comparison to the other big new phones out (heard September, October). Like I said this is all rumors.

      • Relikk2

        “It just hit me”, people with rooted Vibrates phones might be running 2.2, so post if it’s working well with JIT.

      • J-Hop2o6

        yea i was about to tell u that {Euro} SGS 2.2 FroYo (w/ TW) Beta leaked out last week or two.

      • Relikk2

        Did some research on the leaked 2.2 for galaxy s. From what i see it’s a beta version that doesn’t use JIT.

      • J-Hop2o6

        “yet”.. just gotta wait for Samsung to implement JIT into the SGS w/ 2.2 w/ TW

    • TMOprophet

      The Vibrant handles better damage control like when dropped because it’s lighrt weight and made of plastic. So naturally it will have more impact cushion and buoyancy.

      Its similar to a car, if the front end is made of softer crush plastics and metals, then that will absorb more impact in an accident, whereas if the front end was really solid and hard then all the impact force would be transferred and felt by the occupant.

      Perhaps this was Samsung’s intention, maybe not.

      But it does feel cheap, even if it will survive a fall better.

      • Wilma Flintstone

        So true. Great example also. There is no way O’m buying a phone that feels like it would crack from me simply holding it.

      • TheLight

        a car also has a stiff middle with harder metals and less plastics than the front so that the people are protected cuz the ca6in doesnt take the direct impact.. most energy is transfered into the front end and the soft metal and plastics a6sorb and gets crushed, then the rest of the impact energy is sent around the stiff frame with hard metals and less plastic to protect the people inside in the ca6in…so I would say they should 6uild a phone with a softer metal material edge and stiffer around the screen and hardware thats inside the phone…Gorilla screen

  • shawn1224

    What I want to know is what the hell is the compal-NAZ 10 benchmarking in at 1,700+ frames. That’s the real question here.

    • Relikk2

      The MSI, below it is a touch-pad clone, but with Andriod. It’s possible it won’t be released. I would guess the the Compal is also a touchpad clone.

      it is, lol;

    • TMOprophet

      I think they said those were tablets

  • Joe

    Seriously I am getting frustrated with all this . Tmobile need to understand it does not need to release a new phone every day ….bring on one good phone to compete with iphone .(I am not an iphone fan but hate it or love it , iphone rules…) …stop fighting winter storm with snowballs.. why cant htc , motorola get their act straight…they have been releasing new phones frequently since several years….none of them has been able to out perform crapple….

    • TMOprophet

      That’s very arguable. Many could argue several phones being better than the iPhone.

      • Wilma Flintstone

        VERY arguable indeed.

  • mjcl987

    Emerald’s design might be like the HTC Desire with a QWERTY(which is nice)

  • Justin

    Im sure the GPU has a lot to do with that test (even though its a CPU test) thats why the Galaxy S performs so well.

  • Thanh

    you can’t compare these companies to an Apple. Apple makes a handful of products and only that, its American made with quality as its top priority all over the production chain. HTC serves as a manufacturer based out of China for numerous carriers. In HTC’s short history of success starting with the G1, its released over 15 different phones, in that same timespan Apple has released an upgraded macbook, new ipad, a track pad and the iphone 4g. I dont think we need a product better than the iPhone, we just want one as snappy and functional yet remain on Android.

    I’ve always used macs and would honestly switch to the iphone had it not been for AT&T. I just returned the SGS and felt it was about the snappiest and closest thing to the Iphone however there were just some minor design specs that I was not happy with. A better GPU than the current Snapdragon’s and better battery life w/ FFC, flash, and decent camera would win me over in a heartbeat, I’ve been on the Android bandwagon since the preorder days of the G1. Once they perfect android’s software we won’t have to worry about updates and fixes, its getting there!

    • ObsceneJesster

      Are you smoking crack or are you just that stupid? The GPU on the Galaxy S blows every thing else out of the water including the new Droid’s. The Galaxy S battery life is also better than the Snapdragon based devices. Lastly, every review I have read has said the camera on the Galaxy S captures superb shot’s. I would say the camera on the Galaxy S is more than decent.

      On to the next topic. I decided your not smoking crack. Your just a idiot if you think Apple produces American made products. Do you even know who produced the CPU and GPU for the iPhone? Oh you don’t? I’ll tell you. SAMSUNG.

      Bottom line: Your just another hippie Apple fanboy posing as if you actually gave Android a try. Next time you make a post, think about what you type before your idiocracy spews from your finger tips and on to the keyboard.

      • Rob

        Nice comeback. Burn.

      • Charles Xavier

        Believe it or not, there are a lot of people (read: most) that would prefer an iphone over anything android. Aside from dorks like you on tech blogs people prefer something that works extremely well without a lot of modification.

      • Brian

        oh no he didnt

      • TMOprophet

        I hate to agree with him, but he’s right, Apple is NOT american made.

        Have you ever heard of the company called Viacomm, yeah the one that was in the news awhile back, where people were committing suicide cause of the low pay and bad work conditions…guess who they make stuff for…..APPLE.

        So yeah your pretty much just an Apple fanboy, and should really know what your talking about before you run your mouth.

        Apple is a douche bag company, people were killing themselves over the work conditions at Apples part maker Viacomm. Im not claiming that other phone manufacturers are better, but Apple is douchey.

        I will never buy an Apple product in my life.

      • Davidohio

        Very well said. I would take a vibrant over the iphone any day. I do however like Mac computers.

      • TMOprophet

        I have to amend my post, I meant Foxconn, Not sure why I was thinking

    • $am$hh

      now as for the iphone i would be ashamed to say that it was a product of the usa due to the fact that it has the reception problem from the very first design was never corrected. to this day the “death grip” exists and has not yet been corrected and as for plans that’s a different story. My sister was working for at&t and the day the iphone 4 was released she texted me and i quote “everyone is asking about the iphone and at&t is raping them w/ the plan they offer” i really dont plan on getting raped by my service provider. now another thing we must address is the overcrowded spectrum that at&t has not yet dealt w/ causing delayed service . so pound for pound compared to the iphone android is really kicking butt. 90 percent of the apps are free, free music downloads, u can make ur own ringtones, service is cheaper w/ magenta using an android phone ect ect what else can u ask for really

    • funkmasterc

      I concur with the others. You are an idiot. Your prhase ” its American made with quality” blew me away. All of Apple’s products are assembled ‘ by Foxconn IN CHINA! Go ahead and get your but bumper and make sure that you are holding the phone with your pinky sticking out and take your walk down Steve Job’s Utopian Yellow Brick road in search for Oz.


    • funkmasterc

      I concur with the others. You are an idiot. Your phrase ” its American made with quality” blew me away. All of Apple’s products are assembled ‘ by Foxconn IN CHINA! Go ahead and get your but bumper and make sure that you are holding the phone with your pinky sticking out and take your walk down Steve Job’s Utopian Yellow Brick road in search for Oz.


    • You relaize that your “american made” phone is made on a production line in China…

  • Nerd lust

    This can’t be real. Tmob is really stepping up! For the first time I don’t what to buy with all these nice options! Go tmob !

  • reveillazn

    I wish T-Mobile would just release some solid info on these phones already! One is due to be released in a month and we have nothing but teasing and web rumors. I just want some official specs and photos so I can decide to wait or just go ahead and get a new phone. My contract is almost up and my G1 really needs to be retired soon!

    • alex32

      i was wondering that of these phones will be release in a month and as of now we have no visual facts..just web rumors. i want to see the actual product already…

    • tmosal

      Come now.. if they gave solid evidence of a new phone such as this.. wouldn’t that just give an edge to competition? I think t-mobile is taking the right precautions this time around. First will all the spectrum for 3G but unfortunately last out of the gate. HSPA+ is gonna be awesome, correction, it is awesome and they wanna make sure the phone that’s gonna launch on it is gonna be phenomenal. I, for one, cannot wait to see.

      • reveillazn

        I don’t see how it would give the competition an edge. These phones are in development for months. It’s not like someone can reproduce it that quickly. I’m sure each carrier knows what the others are up to anyway. And people who see it and don’t like it, won’t like it if they knew months in advance or two days in advance.

  • adam

    Wow t-mobile still putting phone that has old hardward from nexus one to this phone smh!

  • adam

    When t-mobile puts outstanding device better then verizon then i be interest in buying them. Heck even the sammy vibrant suck wow 2gb worth of apps and 13.5 gb worth of file. droid incredible has 8 gb built in and access 7.5 gb of apps/file/mp3,mp4 it alot powerful then t-mobile that for sure. BTW DROID LINEUP droid incredible,droid x,droid 1,droid eris Even THE DROID eris KICK T-MOBILE ASS. t-mobile have only one decent phone is ya sammy vibrant

    • Relikk2

      Can someone translate this gibberish for me? What the hell is he saying?? I’m not even trying to be an A whole, I really can’t figure out this comment?

      • Bradly

        I believe he’s trying to tell us that the whole droid line up demolishes every T-Mobile phone as of right now. I think that’s what he means more or less.

      • Relikk2

        Thanks Bradley, Adam should watch this video then.

      • CactusCat

        I do believe that adam, in between tokes on his doobie and huffs from his favorite Krylon, has a slight problem with coherent English. Either that or he’s a foreigner who seriously needs to pay more attention in English class. I concur .. I can’t think of a better term than “gibberish” for that ridiculous attempt at the English language.

      • relikk nice come back!

  • Barry


  • Ed

    If you did not know. The glacier is supposed to be duo core 1.2GHz or 1.5Ghz and it was tested to be 3 times faster than the evo and 61% faster than the droid x adam soo…

    • Relikk2

      My Dash is faster then the EVO. The EVO sucks!!!

  • Barry

    Man idk if ppl are stupid or in denial

  • dr.alliw

    this is NOT the project emerald!!! Trust me!!! y’all be shocked when the phone comes out by the end of the year!!!!! so mark your calendar!!!!!!

    • TMOprophet

      And what makes you so sure?

    • TMOprophet

      Do you actually have any evidence to support your claim? or are you just trying to provoke a response from us?

      And since you haven’t yet answered anyones question as to why you believe this, I am inclined to think you’re full of it.

  • Barry

    so what day on the calendar do we mark ??? Or are you talkin outta ya arse ?

  • adam

    yup that what i said at bradly got it. T-mobile android lineup sucks plus t-mobile doesnt like updating there phone in time. Yuck i rather stay buying verizon phone then be with there suckie ones.

  • kc

    Apple uses things from other companies to make there products. Like them wanting to use Samsungs Super AMOLED. Tmobile should get more credit. They are smaller company than Verizon, Sprint, and ATT, but they introduce phones that change the game. G1 first android phone, N1 first 1ghz phone, and now every phones doing it. Im betting there gonna be the first to drop the dual core phone aswell.

  • adam

    Ed just like tech geek u cant always go by paper. Look review on the phone htc wildfire aka htc legend release in april 3 2010 processor (528 mhz) vs htc evo(1ghz). Droid phone has a better res then htc devices. I just like htc better still but not from t-mobile.

    Same comparison can be made with Motorola droid vs sammy vibrant.

    • Relikk2

      Why can’t I understand you? Bradly can you translate again?

      The only cold hard fact the Droid X has over the Glaxy S is an 8 megapixal camera. Which IMO is useless to 95% of users. Most people view thier pics on the phone and, or upload to facebook. 8 megapixal!? Who prints posters? It’s gimmicky, people see big numbers so they feel good. Just like LTE and HSPA+, 22mps is usless, and has no real world application other then feel good marketing. In all honesty if you want a good camera get an Iphone 4, it stomps every phone’s cam. The cold hard fact on the Vibrant is it is the fastest phone on the planet at this time (excluding JIT for CPU). It destroys every phone out there, even the Driod X. If you don’t like the Samsung, fine you don’t have to, but the facts still remain the same.

      • moose

        Lol iphone 4 for the camera seriously……. I guess I say this because I have been spoiled by using my nokia…

  • adam

    my bad is 600mhz on the htc legend

  • just some dude

    All i know is Tmo needs better AD time for there phones not there planes, also a great looking phone would be nice too. And im not talking crappy Fender editions or Vibrant Samsung. Tmo needs to fire there phone acquisition dude and get someone new that is in touch with whats current and relevant.

    • Brian

      YES! the mytouch line is UG-LEE!

      maybe they appeal to the teens, but i want a slick phone to hit tmo for once.

  • mjcl987

    Could this be the codename for the sidekick twist or the MTHD? Hope not!

  • Barry

    looks more like the silhouette on the hspa+ website more so than that suspect pic of the MyTouch HD

    HTC Desire HD Photo Leaked

  • Endgadget is reporting that HTC Desire HD comming to AT&T. I’m still confused on why it takes so long for the new Android phones to com to Magenta. How is the Carrier that started the Ecosystem for Android is not the first to get the new tech. Does anybody question this or am I just crazy?

    • CactusCat

      No doubt, our fav Tmo, has dropped the ball a few times. Your question actually got me to thinking about why it takes Tmo so long. I hope this is the correct answer. Other opinions are welcome as well. I’m trying to see it from Tmo and HTC’s side of the fence. Tmo is trying to make a big push in the US. We all know they have the best plan prices and are upgrading the network to HSDPA+. Now.. they have to start getting their superphones out to take advantage of their enhanced network and great plans. So they work out a semi-secret plan (Project Emerald?) with HTC for a killer phone. However, the thing has to go thru R&D, testing, an update of Android (to 3.0?), and once finalized, will have to go into production BIGTIME! If this phone rocks like we think it will, there will be a big shortage. HTC won’t be able to get them out the door fast enough. And HTC is already making a gazillion other phones as well. Tmo (I think) has let the dust settle on the Android market (read, other phones) and now can pick the best solutions for the “monster” (like FFC, KB or not, etc). I sold my G1 and got a Nexus and while its a darn good phone, I’ll update to this new model if 50% of it is true. Hope that helps a bit. I sometimes feel like Tmo ignores us, but just have to face the facts that there is a lot to be done, both on this new project, and on updating the older phones as well. A lot of work for sure. Cheers and keep the faith.

  • Endgadget is reporting that HTC Desire HD coming to AT&T. I’m still confused on why it takes so long for the new Android phones to com to Magenta. How is the Carrier that started the Ecosystem for Android is not the first to get the new tech. Does anybody question this or am I just crazy?

    • WinkyDinkyDogg

      I mean, really, this is gettin real old. I’m trying to be patient with tmobile but we still don’t have concrete info on a phone that’s droppin in one month. It’s sad watching android flourish on other carriers. I want to stay with tmobile, but they are making it REALLY hard. Give us a lil hope.

  • Usman

    Have you guys read this post by Jerry Hildenbrand of AndroidCentral?

    “It seems that when you sit down and do some math, you end up with figures that fit the Qualcomm QSD8672 Snapdragon chip. It’s a third-generation Snapdragon, with a feature list that will knock your socks off:

    Dual CPU up to 1.5 GHZ
    45 nm tech for low power draw and better performance
    WSXGA (1440×900) screen support
    1080p recording and playback
    HSPA+ (that’s the 28Mbps kind) and CDMA Rev 0/A/B support
    80 million-triangles-per-second 3D graphics

    “…I’ll go on record saying that I do think we’re looking at Project Emerald.”

    I want to know what the battery life is going to be like… but if this thing is better than the Hummingbird, it will probably replace my Nexus One.

  • TMOprophet

    The Glacier is back on the glbenchmark site, this time same test on page 2 showing only 711 or something…wtf..right

    Its also got a gpu test up, does ok, not super great though.

    I wonder if since there can be such a huge diff in scores from one day to another, if something was wrong with the software or if phone might not be getting tested properly?

    • Relikk2

      The rumors are that the GPU does 80 million triangles per second, so the score being in the ballpark of the GalaxyS line would follow that rumor. This update must be wrong or they had the codenames incorrect in the first trial. With so many different codenames it’s possible they might have got it mixed up, lol.

      • TMOprophet

        ok the 711 is the gpu score

  • Anh

    I want the Samsung Vibrant so badly…the only thing that’s holding me back is it’s not HSPA+ compatible..C’on T-mobile it’s time to get into the game here..

  • Jay

    Samsung Galexy S (Vibrant)- I tried this phone EXTENSIVELY two times – here are two main FLAWS that nobody seams to have discovered –
    1. Google Calendar reminder alarms – NOT CAPABLE of syncing (per Smasung engineers), so therefore NOTHING in your calendar has a reminder
    2. Battery Life – HORRIBLE, 42 minutes after a full charge, with NO WiFi, Bluetooth and only 15-20 minutes of phone calls & 1-2 web searches – 47% BATTERY LEFT

    These two things alone make this the WORST PHONE EVER, not to mention the HORRIBLE Samsung website and customer service.