Rumor: Samsung Galaxy Note II Pricing Revealed In New Image

We’re hopefully starting to narrow down the list of unknowns regarding T-Mobile’s Galaxy Note II launch as a newly leaked documents provides some possible insight into rumored price points. Keeping in mind that like all good rumors, these prices are subject to change, it looks as if T-Mobile will launch the Galaxy Note II for $299.99 on Value Plans. Classic plan customers seem to be looking at a $419.99 price tag before a $50 mail-in rebate. Assuming that’s $379.99 after rebate, that’s still $80 ahead of where Sprint is pricing their own Note II and this could appear to be a similar-style launch to the Galaxy S III. T-Mobile’s Galaxy S III launch was met by a bunch of frustrated customers as T-Mobile priced their own model $80 higher than the competition.

We’ll have to wait and see if these prices are in fact the real deal, or if they change between now and the official launch. Speaking of the launch, we’re back to two different possible timeframes as the October 24th/25th date is still appearing on our radar — along with the middle of November. Regardless of when it launches, if T-Mobile does ultimately decide to launch the Note II for $419 prior to rebate, you’ve always got Walmart and their $299 price to keep your wallet happy.

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  • Bronze 6

    Your math is wrong. 419.99-50 is 369.99

    • Lanh Nguyen

      either way it’s expensive as chipmunk.

      • achusaysblessyou

        But your Month-to-month is cheaper… so pick your poison

        • DJ Lawless Oneâ„¢

          And so is your coverage…. actually for unlimited minutes and text with 2gb of data Verizon is cheaper than -Trash–mobile

        • Anon

          keep your hatred to yourself -Trash–Mouth*

        • JB

          @twitter-18534850:disqus that’s untrue. Apples-to-apples, T-Mobile’s 2G plan is $80/mo. That’s $20 cheaper than VZW. Want truly unlimited? Still cheaper. That’s $90/mo. Want 5G with tethering? STILL cheaper at $95/mo. Those are just the Classic rates. I’m not even going to get into the Value plan rates.

          Side Note: My area was just completely refarmed, and it rivals VZW’s speeds and coverage is just as excellent now and it’s just HSPA+ (which tends to be a HUGE battery saver over 4G LTE)

        • UMA_Fan

          So did the refarm actually help with download speeds? Also, how’s signal penetration in buildings now post refarm?

        • JB

          @UMA_Fan:disqus Oh it’s helped for sure! On a good day and in various popular spots around town, I’ve hit 15-16 down. Some of my friends have reported around the area of 19-20. The lowest I’ve gotten in speed tests have been in the 8.95-12 range. Average seems to hit around the 13-14 range.

          For comparison’s sake, before the refarm, I was getting anywhere between 2-5 consistently (if at all in buildings) with the highest being 7-10 on the rare occasion.

          Building penetration has been great. For example, all throughout my office complex and home, I constantly pull around 10-11 down with the highest being 14 and the lowest being around 8 whereas before it was very spotty at best or between 1.5-4 when I was in a spot I could pull as signal. The mileage does vary depending on the type of structure, but it’s leaps and bounds better as the spots that I frequent where I would normally get edge, I get a persistent “4G” signal now.

        • philly8

          nice job stating facts JB. T-Mobile is going to shake some ground in the next couple years!

        • JB

          Thanks! I totally believe they are on the right track, I can’t wait til they start hitting their stride once again and become the trailblazers they once were! I know T-Mobile’s not for everyone, but people gotta give them credit where credit is due. If you’re gonna comment with facts, at least come correct! LOL

        • JMO

          Verizon is $100..40 for the line 60 for the 2GB. data. TMO $ 89.99 UNLIMITED

        • eanfoso

          “Was* cheaper, since wig the shared plans you HAVE to get a shared plan, 300MB starting at 40$, versus true unlimited for 20$ on value plan, I guess if you’re 80 and don’t need a smartphone you can go throw away your money at Verizon and get screwed over

        • Richard Yarrell

          Why are you here with all this Verizon foolishness. Verizon is the WORST CARRIER with piss poor bloatware on all it’s so called Lte smartphones. Sadly they are piss poor in updates and are the main reason they won’t be seeing any more Nexus devices anytime soon. They are overpriced and overrated at best I kicked Verizon to the curb proudly for Tmobile in June. I had the that crappy bloatware filled Galaxy Nexus that had horrid signal strength and pitiful reception. You can keep your overrated cdma junkie network. Tmobile pimp slaps Verizon silly

        • squiddy20

          “with piss poor bloatware on all it’s so called Lte smartphones.” Which all can be removed with root or at least disabled without. Why you keep going on and on about this point is beyond me. Or are you too stupid to figure it out for yourself?
          “I had the that crappy bloatware filled Galaxy Nexus” It had 2 Verizon exclusive applications. You call that “bloatware filled”? Compared to the SGSIII you have, that’s nothing. Sad that you don’t see it.
          “Tmobile pimp slaps Verizon silly” Yeah, that explains why, of the big 4 carriers, T-Mobile has the least amount of subscribers while Verizon has the most. -__-
          Oh yeah, and your SGSIII STILL doesn’t have Jelly Bean.

        • Richard Yarrell

          That’s all you do is talk about root as if that saves the world. Your such a jerk people shouldn’t have to root every device they buy. Guess your root can’t help your 3g Galaxy Nexus on Sprint now can it. Why are you on tmo news site trolling when your a Sprint customer??? Troll over there since you have no Lte on your battery draining Galaxy Nexus. Your the biggest joke in ever forum and it’s pretty sad that you troll here and will never purchase the Galaxy Note 2 it’s past your income level. This space is for people who will purchase the Galaxy Note 2 which i will November 1st. Your cdma Galaxy Nexus rooted or not is still a 3g phone on Sprints crappy network you can’t change that loser…

        • squiddy20

          “That’s all you do is talk about root as if that saves the world.” As I said above, you don’t need root to “fix” the “bloatware” issue. If you could comprehend what I actually wrote, you’d know this. Root helps because you can actually remove the applications entirely, but disabling them, which you can do with any stock (unrooted) ICS+ device and even on your truly “bloatware filled” SGSIII, serves the same purpose. How sad that you claim to be “in the know when it comes to technology”, and you don’t get/understand this.

          “and will never purchase the Galaxy Note 2 it’s past your income level.” So you’re saying $300- $350 dollars up front is “past my income level” when you don’t even know my name or financial status? Riiiiiight. Hilarious that you think $350 is a big purchase. No, I won’t be getting the Note 2, but not because I “can’t afford it”. I just don’t want something so stupidly big that it borders on being called a tablet, but is supposed to be a phone. If I want a larger screen, I’ve got my laptop.

        • Richard Yarrell

          I so sorryfor people like you stuck on boostmMobilenowyou think yoyourall aaboutsomething nowthatyou were finfinallyable tohave a spSprint contract. Youroprettyffunny we adultshave been paying bbills and making purchases on products for years you barely made it past21 recentlyyyoursstillwetbehind the ears . a job and leave home then come back and talkas a realman ninotsome ddope hiding behind thisssquiddy20 name.YYouran Internet troll realmen don’t do that.

        • squiddy20

          1. Learn to type better. It’s practically impossible to read whenyou’vegotwords likethis. I must’ve really pissed you off for you to write so poorly.
          2. In the past, you’ve repeatedly called me out for owning a “useless Samsung Moment”, which was only ever sold by Sprint, and yet you’ve still said it was on everything from Boost Mobile to Metro PCS to Simple Mobile (which runs off of T-Mobile’s GSM/HSPA network despite the phone being CDMA only). Now you’re claiming I was on Boost Mobile. Want to get your pitiful little story straight before you insult me about things which you have no knowledge of?
          3. I’m curious, who’s this “we” you speak of when referencing these “adults”? You sure don’t seem to act like an adult when you say you’re going to “push up on” a phone or how you insult me about being a “useless college boy” despite college being pretty much the only way to get a good job nowadays. What a joke.
          4. According to you, real men “have the balls to tell people to f*ck off”. I have done that multiple times, though in not so crude terms. Want to make up your mind on what a “real man” is?

      • antmisk

        if $369 is “expensive as chipmunk”. you don’t deserve high end phones. You’re the type of person that wants everything high-end for cheap. That’s why technological progression is stymied in this country. Asia and Europe get all the new tech first because of cheap Americans.

        • Farhan

          Not True – In the U.K. the Note 2 is 79 pounds with a 2 year contract and monthly plan of 41 pounds. The pricing in US Dollars is approximately $160 for the phone with a plan cost of about $82.

          http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/pay-monthly/samsung-galaxy-note-2-lte-titanium/

        • Trevnerdio

          79 pounds doesn’t equal 160 dollars, it’s about 126 dollars. And the plan is 65 or 66 USD. Not bad.

        • Farhan

          @TrevorMadden:disqus – Thanks… was lazy to look into the currency conversion. But this is even better and shows how expensive prices are here in the States.

        • yozo

          At one time TmobileUK offered the iPhone4 for FREE with contract. How’s that for expensive elsewhere?

  • I am so sick of this. I guess I will wait for the Galaxy S IV, that should be about $539 after a $50 MIR.

    • Matlock

      That is why you shop around for the best price! you dont necesserily have to go to through T-Mo to get your phone. Walmart and Costco usually have the best prices when it comes to T-Mo phones.

      • All good points, I would rather support T-Mobile, but I want to stick with the plan I have. Maybe I will just go over to a value plan after all…just disappointed that that they are keeping this trend with Classic and legacy plans.

        • antmisk

          I just switched to the unlimited everything value plan and I am not looking back. My legacy MyFaves plan with 400 minutes was over $100. Big deal for the phone subsidies, I always buy Nexus phones. Now with my value plan, everything unlimited is $69.99 plus my 15% corp discount.

        • My legacy myFaves is $118 for 1000min and unlimited data for 2 lines. It is still cheaper for me to get the subsidized phone at the higher price than switch to Value, but it kind of stings that the top of the line phones now cost $280/370 instead of $200/300.

        • Little T

          Same here and my service went down by 70$ per month.

    • PISSOFT-MOBILECUSTOMER2764

      this is bullpoop with t-mobile prices every other carrier has this phone for $299.99 with two year contract . And yeah you save money with t-mobile but who cares about saving extra $20.00 to $30.00 a month. When comes down to it t-mobile is becoming a prepaid company sooner or later it will be all prepaid. I just don’t understand how they say want help poor folks out and have these crazy prices for phones look at the galaxy s3 everywhere else it’s $199.99 with two year contract sprint,att, and verizon wireless. and t-mobile $279.99 for 16 gig s3 and 32 gig s3 $379.99 plus taxes. this getting crazy t-mobile help people out are go out business simple as that.

      • achusaysblessyou

        *sigh*… Lets say another carrier has it for $300… T-Mo has it for $400… you pay $10 more a month for the other carrier… that’s $240 more over the life of your 24 month contract. You still save $140 going with T-Mobile… Now you’ll probably save more than $10, maybe $20… and that makes the saving equal to $380… please, it’s simple math and reasoning. I like the pre-paid concept because here in America, people think phones are $200-300… when they’re not, you’re paying for the price for the phone over 2 years.

        • Whiskers

          But good is signing a two year contract to save 10-20 month on spotty service.
          30 minutes outside any city and it’s edge , wow what a savings.

        • eanfoso

          Sorry, not all of us live in unorganized cities in 2012

        • Whiskers

          And not all of us live in disease infested large cities either.

        • Mitt

          This is the dumbest comeback to an already dumb comment. Great job outdoing the last poster.

      • Mitt

        You’re a dumb whinny idiot. “Poor” people should not be buying these top of the line phones dumbass. If they are, then thier priorities are all fuqued up. Get over it and stop whinning!

        • PISSOFT-MOBILECUSTOMER2764

          So your saying to all the poor folks thier not good enough to own a galaxy note 2 or galaxy s3 simply cuzz thier poor your wrong for saying that everybody deserves to own a nice phone not just the rich. And MITT so i take your poor to cause your on t-mobile you can’t afford the big boys like att and verizon wireless. I speak for all poor people we derserve more nothing less. Obama 2013

        • PISSOFT-MOBILECUSTOMER2764

          EVERYBODY I ME EVERYBODY CAN HAVE NICE PHONE NOT ONLY THE RICH BUT THE POOR TOO. T-MOBILE LOWER YOUR PRICES FOR PHONES , IF YOU BUILD IT THE PEOPLE WILL COME.

        • Aaron Tant

          I thought we were talking phones, not politics. On the topic of phones, if a person is too short-sighted to sign an expensive contract for a lower priced phone and pay more in the long run for it, then it does show the poor nature of the person. Intellectual poorness. Sad, especially when T-Mobile is trying to educate the masses to how Europe works the cell industry and how T-Mobile is saving the customer money. But, if a customer wishes to be ripped off, so be it.

        • DUDE

          You sir just need to go back to school for being dumb and ignorant.

        • PISSOFT-MOBILECUSTOMER2764

          im a chick not a sir ok boy.

      • Paul

        why dont you get a value plan and stop bitch, maybe the Note’s not for you. You should get a mytouch

        • ThatGuy

          Everyone is saying “switch to the value plan, it’s cheaper” well it would not be cheaper for me. I am on a classic 1000 minute plan and am up for best upgrade pricing. To switch to the value plan, and “save” money on the phone, I have to pay a $200 migration fee. The 1000 minute value plan is only $10 cheaper per month than the classic 1000 minute plan. Along with the $20 per month equipment installment this makes my monthly payment increase $10 until I have paid the installment on the phone. Why the hell would I switch?

        • philyew

          If you already qualify for the best upgrade price, you shouldn’t have to pay a migration fee. The rest may still not justify changing plans, but a migration fee should not be a consideration.

      • Little T

        If you don’t like it, leave, and then go get it on “another carrier”. You think a company worth 20 billion dollars (or whatever) doesn’t know how to feel out the market and price a phone accordingly? Please.

      • philly8

        The prices every other carrier has are the same prices that equal the down payment for the value plan so u can calm down their chief. You can still pay the same thing and then when ur done paying your phone your bill goes down by $20..wow just incredible…but ur an idiot

        • PISSOFT-MOBILECUSTOMER2764

          You know where all idots cuzz in the long run t-mo getting are money at the end of the day and getting richer. so take my money35.32 -0.70‎ (-1.94%‎)
          Oct 19 4:00pm ET – Disclaimer thats t-mobile stock price right now at a share 45.16 -0.62‎ (-1.35%‎) verizon at $45.16 a share now att
          35.32 -0.70‎ (-1.94%‎) sprint5.65 -0.13‎ (-2.25%‎) $5.65 a

          share look i got feeling sprint share is going to rise to $10.00
          a share

        • PISSOFT-MOBILECUSTOMER2764

          sprint makeing a move softbank bought 70 percent of sprint and thier on move to buy t-mobile once t-mobile closes the deal on metropcs that will make a move to buy t-mobilr then sprint will be a powerhouse in the cellphone business raiseing thier stock to $15.00 to $20.00 a share buy now at $5.65 and watch it rise to $15.00 dollars a share are more .

        • PISSOFT-MOBILECUSTOMER2764

          why only get service from t-mobile and make them rich why note get rich with them. i wonder back in 2004 when google stock was 85 a share now look it now 2012 681.79 -13.21‎ (-1.90%‎) meaning if you would invested $8500 dollars
          by now you would made $6800.00 thats buying hundered shares of google
          sock how about you would bought thousand share’s a total
          investment of $85,000.00 would bought you back $668,000 thousand dollars.

        • DUDE

          Please never visit this website again … or I ask of you to not make any idiotic posts.

        • Hey thanks but only I get to decide who can and cannot visit this site again! I reserve that privilege for me and me alone! Back to behaving everyone!

  • NewZ05

    I just hope its available to employees before my discount tenure resets at the beginning of November *crosses fingers*

    • achusaysblessyou

      How much is your discount? I might need to make a few friends at the T-Mo store…

      • PISSOFT-MOBILECUSTOMER2764

        WHERE can you buy t-mobile phones being on a t-mobile value plan cuzz i here if your on a t-mobile value plan you can only buy a new phone via equipment installment plan at t-mobile store or on the phone with t-mobile. So i’m screwed anyway im going to have to pay about $369.99 with taxs i wish i could shop around for a better price.

        • achusaysblessyou

          You can always buy the phone outright for retail… but you have to pay full retail. And always, you can buy phones off Craigslist/Ebay

  • Anonymous

    wow retail is pretty high.. hope it eventually goes to 599

    • Yeah when the GN3 comes out then that I imagine will be bigger in price hmm I guess $899 off contract then iPhone next gen will be $1200 out of contract

  • achusaysblessyou

    Still no full retail price? :(… i see $699 but that’s the full Value Plan price ($299 + $20 over 20 months)… looks like this going to be $750+ retail.

    • Anonymousoul

      Value plan price is full retail price.

  • Justin

    How do people still not realize that Value plans are better all around??

    • JB

      Exactly! I pay full retail, and I’m on a grandfathered plan, but if I was going to go on a new plan, Value is clearly the way to go!

    • Matt Huff

      Not for all customers that have a grandfathered plan. Years ago T-mobile ran all kinds of “promo” plans with pretty good deals. I have one of these plans, as does my wife, and the current value plans do not beat our promo plans, so we keep re-upping on the contract to keep it, and get a full phone subsidy. Unfortunately, the phone subsidies seem to be getting less and less enticing.

      • Ford_Thundercougarfalconbird

        Exactly. I’m paying less for a family plan for my wife and I, WITH unlimited texting and data, than I would pay for any of the current offerings.

    • Dan

      I recently quit from my job at t-mobile. Basically the simple answer is: The general public is very dumb. They cannot grasp the concept of total cost of ownership. Theyre okay with paying $9,000/month, as long as they can get a free phone. I may be exaggerating a little bit, but not much. People dont quite understand how expensive phones really are, and people want their bill to be consistant. when you deal with multiple lines, and doing multiple equipment installment plans, the bill can fluxuate as much as $100/month. A teen can no longer walk into a store and throw down that $200 they saved up for a phone, because now an extra $20/month is getting thrown onto the bill that their parents are paying.

  • JB

    379.99 after rebate. Sounds about right.

  • Izz Da Wizz

    I actually agree with pricing…u cant expect to get a power house of a phone for 200$..lol…give it sum time after it comes out…holidays are around the corner itll drop eventually….stay thirsty my friends

    • JBLmobileG1

      I figured it would be $300 to $350 tops through Tmobile with Walmart being in the $250 range. True its a powerhouse of a phone but still. Your right about the Holidays coming and the price dropping. Who knows maybe the price ranges that I mentioned will be the prices before the new year… If not shortly after.

    • Why the heck not? at least $350 tops like guy before me said… you realize T-mobile sells Actual Tabs subsidized for this price. The Note 2 isn’t a full fledge Tab

      • You realize that a Tab isn’t a full fledged Phone?

  • so off to walmart for me

  • kdog

    Dam it should b the same as sprint who cares the monthly is cheaper T-Mobile needs the customers

  • tmo guy

    Too much might as well get the new nexus …

  • kev2684
  • techymexican

    or just wait a month or two and buy it on ebay.

    • Mackenzie

      or Swappa.com (already rooted)

  • UMA_Fan

    Figured it would be $700 full retail.

    People should keep in mind that T-Mobile’s early contract cancellation fees are still only $200 while every other carrier’s ETF is closer to $400 so they can afford to subsidize more.

    People should be on Value Plans anyway. It’s definitely the cheapest thing out there. Especially value family plans.

    • Whiskers

      But keep in mind that ETF being so cheap does’nt help make decisions if the network has holes in it like swiss cheese AND the T-mobile phone is worthless if you leave T-mobile and go to another carrier since T-mobile uses a different signal.
      So saving on the value plan is only good if YOU get strong coverage in YOUR area. Go 30 minutes outside the city and it’s edge or no data at all.

      • TMOLOYAL

        That is not true. This phone would be compatible on AT&T’s network for GSM and WCDMA/HSPA+ 850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (AWS);Band II (1900) That AWS band II 1900 is the same thing AT&T uses. If you do not like T-Mobile take your phone, pay the ETF and move on.

        • Whiskers

          Pay my ETF for all three of my lines i will.
          Otherwise i’m stuck on swiss cheese mobile until they either improve the signal and prices of their phones or my contract ends.

        • How is them improving the prices of their phones going to prevent you from being stuck with “swiss cheese mobile”. UNLESS you are implying that you would RESIGN a contract with them if they had better prices. If that’s the case then you are an idiot. If the service sucks GET A NEW CARRIER.

        • Whiskers

          Hello idiot , what good is any high end smart phone at any price if the service is spotty outside any major city.
          That was my point , not to mention T-Mobile over prices their phones and people are stupid enough to pay the price. That’s why they continue to do it because people are willing to pay it.
          Pay my ETF for all three of my lines i will leave , otherwise lay off the koolaid.

        • My service is great. If it’s not, don’t buy from that carrier. Not rocket science.

        • Olivier Boss

          Correct, TMOLOYAL: T-Mobile and AT&T phones are GSM (Global System for Mobile communications, world standard) and work in the whole world. And BTW it means that you can use these GSM phones with the SIM card from your US carrier (roaming) or you can swap your US SIM card with any other one you can purchase in any and all countries (e.g. pre-pay) and pay very low, local communications (national) fees. (A SIM card costs $0/free to $5 in all European countries.)
          This is why I’ve always used T-Mobile (VoiceStream) in the US.
          The phones of all other US carriers (Verizon, Sprint, etc.) work only locally with their US carrier – using their own, non-GSM technology – nowhere else in the world.

      • I live in BFE Lutz, Florida ever hear of it? Didn’t think so, it’s about 30 outside Tampa. I get HSPA+ perfectly fine. Do you know how I know this, because I checked the coverage map and TRIED to use the phone before the cancellation period expired. If I didn’t have good coverage most places I went. I would have returned the phone. If you have shitty service where you live/work/play, then you have no business having that carrier. If you MOVED to an area with spotty service I feel bad for you, otherwise I have a hard time doing so.

        • Whiskers

          Glad you get your HSPA+ outside of Tampa.
          But in my city which is Columbus Ohio , it’s good if you stay in the city. Outside that your lucky to get internet at all on any phone.
          Well i have business having a phone on T-Mobile because i’m Stuck on the 2-year Contract with all three lines i have so unless you want to pay my ETF’s and buy me new phones for the next carrier you want me to switch to it’s not going to happen.

        • YOU bought phones where you don’t get service everywhere you need. If you buy something that does’t fit your needs, return it in the windows given. THEN buy something that does work. Why would keep something that doesn’t work? I love T-mobile, but if I didn’t get service where I needed it, I wouldn’t have switched from AT&T (Who coincidentally didn’t have service where I lived, although that may have changed).

  • Chris

    Damn that’s expensive. Still need to know the off contract price. But my monthly bill is cheaper which means I am still spending less than if I bought the phone anywhere else. I really hope it launches on the 24th, a mid november launch would be a huge turn off for me and might lead to me just skipping the phone altogether. My S2 ain’t so bad…

  • SoCal

    I’m just gonna wait till after black friday

  • UMA_Fan

    Can anyone really prove how the Value Plan comes out MORE expensive for them?

    Never mind the upgrade fees and other junk that don’t exist on the Value Plans.

    I don’t see what the big deal is, T-Mobile obviously wants everyone on Value and it’s cheaper for everybody every which way you look at it.

    • Legacy plans with grandfathered unlimited data. But, now my upgrades are $70-80 more expensive. That is my situation. Value is about $10 per month more expensive and I would go down to the 2GB unlimited plan.

      • UMA_Fan

        I believe the grandfathered ‘unlimited’ plans throttle you at 5GB.

        Considering the Value 2GB data feature is only $10 on top of the voice plan I’m shocked it’s coming out more expensive than your legacy plan.

    • I don’t pay upgrade fees ever unless I buy from 3rd party….I’m on classic

    • Matt Huff

      Sure thing. First some facts: not everyone needs unlimited voice minutes. Value plans come with either 500 or unlimited. Nothing in between. I use about 400-700 minutes a month average, and have more many years. Another fact, not everyone needs unlimited data or texting either. I use 2-4 GB a month and around 100-200 texts a month. The cheapest value plan that would accommodate my usage is $70/month unlimited. I’m paying $65/month for 1000 min/400 text/Unlimited data (not throttled as far as I can tell, but I’ve never gone much over 5GB).

      Granted, I’m only saving $5/month over a value plan, but I don’t need unlimited minutes or texts. So why increase my bill $5/month, and lose my phone credit? I don’t understand why I would do that. Now, if I lost my grandfathered plan somehow, then yes, the Value plans would be the next best option for me.
      People need to understand that, yes, sometimes the value plans aren’t the best fit depending on your usage.

  • Matt

    Yeah but WHY DO THEY REQUIRE A 2 yr contract with the value plans??? Bring back EVEN MORE PLUS!!!!

    • Anonymousoul

      They require a contract because you are breaking up the price of the phone and not paying it all at once. Also with a value plan you can add things to your bill like play store downloads, international, 411, and the like so tmo has to protect themselves from someone getting an S3 for 149.99 racking up $500 in long distance to mexico then not paying the bill. With a contract they now can put it on your credit and try to recoup the money. Even more plus they were just screwed. Not to mention sign the 2 years for value then just keep paying full price without breaking up the cost then you will get the great value price and never sign another contract.

      • Benjamin@tmo

        exactly what Soul said

      • Phil

        A contract is required even if you bring your own devices or pay the whole phone price upfront.

      • Spanky

        If a Value plan customer who breaks up the cost of the equipment into installments cancels his/her plan before paying off the equipment, he/she is billed the remainder of the equipment cost, in addition to the $200 ETF. Any way you slice it, a 2-year contract and ETF on Value plans is BS.

    • Jerry

      Can you tell me what’s so special about the even more plus plan? I’m currently on it, month-to-month, and T-Mo keeps trying to get me off of it. Any perks to me staying on this plan?

      • CRT24

        value plan might actually be less expensive and you cannot break of the full cost of the phone on your bill with EM+. So if you are paying the same or less than value and you dont care about the ability to do the installment plan then there really would be no benefit to you

        • Jerry

          Gotcha, thanks. I’m 500 mins unlmtd text/data for $60. Value’s same plan is same price so I’m not worried about getting into contract. Thanks again for reply.

        • CRT24

          that same plan would actually be $50.00 on value (2gb of high speed data) so if you are using less than 2GB then there would be a savings for you to move to value.

        • Dan

          nope. a single line value plan with 2 gigs of data is $60. If you hop on a family plan, its $50 per line for the first 2 lines. I would stay on the even more plus plan just to keep the unlimited data feature, as long as you’re okay with paying full retail upfront for a phone. The reps will be less than thrilled with you though, just because they wont be making commission from getting you into a contract.

        • CRT24

          NOPE…..$60.00 is for unlimited and he said he has the 500 minute plan which is just what I said it was on value. $50.00

        • CRT24

          and by the way reps difinately make commission by putting people who are not on contract back into a contract and EM+ would fall into that category.

        • Jerry

          on a value plan, 500 mins + ulmtd text + 2GB data = $50. + unlmtd data (no throttle) = $60. Currently, I always use less than 1GB/month data but I attribute that to because I’m on an iPhone 3gs and the lovely EDGE network (blow my brains out). But, once I get the note, I know my net usage will increase because I’ll actually have faster speeds available. I’ve contemplated buying the phone retail $ but if I can spread it out over a few months, that’s no biggie.

          Thanks for sharing options and your advice. For my usage, there’s really no clear cut advantage to stay on EM+ plan vs new value contract.

      • Clark

        Indeed, you need to look at your current plan and then what a Value plan would be for you. My classic plan was $220/mo for 4 lines (3 with data). Once I switched to Value my bill dropped to $160/mo and I kept the same things, only a minute change. This saves me $1440 over the course of my contract, this allows me to budget in paying full price for a phone twice and still save $400-$200 over my contract (Two of my lines are for family members, one has a dumb phone so it would be very cheap to upgrade, the other has a smart phone but is constantly breaking it so he is responsible for paying for a new device with insurance or out of pocket). Also, I’m a phone nut (to a point) and this allows me to go in and pick up whatever phone I want, with or without an upgrade available at a reasonable price. So, long story short, you should weigh the pros and cons of switching over, if its not for you don’t do it.

  • Evan

    Count me out. I had a feeling it would be close to 400, but after you add up taxes you’re looking at $450(400 after mail in rebate).

    • Jai

      Get a Nexus

  • JBLmobileG1

    Personally when I read it may be $299 at Walmart I thought that was too much that they are going to be charging. But if the $419.99 price tag is correct for Tmobile then it’s a steal at Walmart at under $300. While this is a nice device, I think they overly priced it considering tablets aren’t even that much when they have just as good, if not better specs, than this phone minus the radio. Yes it will eventually drop in price though like all phones do. You may even find a few deals even before the new year so unless you absolutely need a new phone now, I personally would hold out a bit and wait for a price reduction.

  • your friendly tmo employee

    the value plan is always the best way. im an employee and you know how long it takes sometimes to get people to realize what they save. all they hear is full price and their dumb selves think theyre getting ripped off. if you freaking out about the cost of a 5.5 in quad core phone, then stay cheap and get an entry level phone at the entry level cost. people are so annoying

    • PISSOFT-MOBILECUSTOMER2764

      I don’t care if i save money i just wish that t-mobile can be like everyone else and price it at $299.99 look at verizon wireless they use to have any 4glte phone at $299.99 no matter what if it was 4glte it was $299.99 people complain about it they lower price’s to $199.99 and that’s even for the just release motorola razor HD so i just don’t care about saveing and for you to know i got all four carriers verizon wireless ,sprint ,at&tt so it’s not about saveing money its about helping the poor man get a nice phone should’nt a poor man have nice phone not only the rich man . Let’s face it other carriers charge more for services but their network is better so it’s worth the cost trust me i know i got every carrier by far verizon wireless is the best when come’s to network and lte. At&tt has better calling and phone coverage, sprint just sucks on data and calling and t-mobile got good data speeds for being not lte 4g it’s fast no lie bottom line i hate paying more for phone. and i work for t-mobile call center in mission,texas on sharry rd. so i tell it like i see it.

      • Anonymous

        *MOD EDIT* Please leave the political comments on political threads. Thank you.

        • thepanttherlady

          Stay on topic please.

      • your friendly tmo employee

        if you work for the company then 299 as a down payment and your bill being the exact same when you do eip.. is literally like paying 300 for the phone like every other carrier. you must be one of those customer care reps that send people in the store telling them one thing that isnt true. brush up on your companies info. you clearly dont understand value plans

      • your friendly tmo employee

        if you’re fighting for the poor man to buy a nice phone, buy the galaxy blaze.

      • TMOLOYAL

        Sorry, but NO. If you are the poor man maybe you are poor because you are worried about getting the latest and greatest phone the day it comes out. If you are that poor maybe you should be looking at the new Huawei Summit instead of the NOTE II. Sorry, but messed up priorities is what is wrong with this country anymore.

      • magentaman

        In this country you earn what you work for. If you can’t afford it then work harder and save or settle for something less. You have your priorities mixed. It’s disgusting to see a fellow representative talk about our company like that. In addition you should not talk trash about the company that pays your ass (if you even really work for the company). Your probably the garbage we have to clean up in loyalty.

  • PISSOFT-MOBILECUSTOMER2764

    Where can i buy galaxy note 2 on t-mobile other than t-mobile on a value plan who else sale t-mobile value plans.

  • Christopher_McG

    I knew it was gonna be $400+ on contract.

  • BigMixxx

    I planned on paying full price. I expected tom foolery from t mobile in there pricing…

  • MarcusDW

    Yep, I’m going to Walmart. It’s a shame too because I we have a shiny new T-mobile store in our town but I have no reason to go visit it.

  • Spanky

    I was off by 10 bucks when I predicted $429 before a $50 rebate for classic plan customers. T-Mobile does it again!

  • eanfoso

    Just what I’ve been expecting! I was more or less about to jump ship on a galaxy s3 but now seeing this I’m totally going to wait

  • Freddie Lopez

    But wait! The leaked Walmart pricing could be for the value plan while the classic plan will be priced at $419.99! Ohh noes!

    • hendren13

      Walmart doesn’t do value plans, they only do classic. I’m an associate.

      • Freddie Lopez

        Well then that’s good news. Hopefully the price stays true and doesn’t change.

      • Will Walmart do upgrades on legacy plans?

  • Little Jimmy

    You’re all forgetting one little detail. Walmart’s price is most likely for a fixed rated contract, probably the Classic plan, meaning that you’ll save money up front, yet still end up paying more over the length of the contract.

    • Benjamin@tmo

      Yes, it will be priced for the Classic plan and probably require the truley unlimited data feature in order to get it. AND the chance they screw up your account beyond recognition. I work at Tmobile and I have to fix a lot of accounts…

      • Freddie Lopez

        Wait so you’re saying if I go to Walmart they’ll may mess up my account? Also since you work for T-Mobile may I ask you something? Is there a difference buying a phone from a authorized dealer like Walmart or is the only real difference is device pricing?

        EDIT: Also is truly unlimited data is the plan that has no data limit?

        • hendren13

          Device pricing, once again I’m an associate, not every one of us is dumb and doesn’t know what they are doing. But a lot of associates never get trained properly on cell phones. It all depends on the store and the people working.

        • Freddie Lopez

          Oh and I’m not saying all associates are “dumb” but I do know some of them sometimes don’t know what they are doing. Hopefully Walmart’s pricing is true.

        • I’m not a T-mobile Specialist. An Authorized T-mobile dealer is just a 3rd party dealer that t-mobile guarantees is not ripping you off legitimacy wise. Buying from a 3rd party t-mo would be beneficial in some cases because often they will give you a better deal on contract prices but as far as buying in full, you would be paying at least $50 more out of contract for a device that is T-mobile specific and this is because 3rd parties get commission based off of locking people into contracts.

          The Truly Unlimited data has no limit n throttle no overages but I have this plan now when I open my account app it shows a limit 9.7 Terabytes for a month of which is impossible to use up in this day and age.

          In basic terms An authorized 3rd party sign is just to note legitimacy and the only difference is the prices… and The truly Unlimited Data is Limited to 9.7Terabytes no throttle no limits is whats advertised though..

        • Freddie Lopez

          Lol they limit it to 10 TB. Lol that funny. I should try to pass that. I would need to download Gigs and gigs on my phone. Anywho thanks for your reply it helped. Hopefully T-Mobile or the 3rd party retail we be able to price match the Walmart pricing too if possible.

        • No problem glad I can help. But yeah lol 10TB but funny thing is I just looked at the fine print… So technically they can still slow you down if you usage is “abnormal” whatever that means…

          “Abnormal Usage: Service may be slowed, suspended, terminated, or restricted for misuse, abnormal use, interference with our network or ability to provide quality service to other users, or significant roaming. See brochures and Terms and Conditions (including arbitration provision) for additional information.”

          Edit below:
          Theres also this clause though so legally, t-mobile can not slow down your speeds till the cap has been met

          ” For unlimited data plans, full speeds available up to monthly data allotment; then speeds slowed to up to 2G speeds for remainder of billing cycle.”

        • Freddie Lopez

          Yeah I read the same thing on T-Mobiles site when I was looking at the Note 2. When I read it I was wondering if “significant roaming” will end someones contract and terminate their account. But again thanks for the reply! :).

      • But if you already have a compatible plan whats the disadvantage? Classic and Value is the same thing essentially when you factor in the EIP…

  • Patrick

    Holy SH*T

  • hellowakeup

    T-mobile wants everyone on value that’s why they jack up the price for classic plans

    • techymexican

      well yeah. subsidizing a phone is where companies lose money in the short term

  • What the #Fuuuuuuuu** $699… off contract $419 on Classic?!? the piss man grrrr

  • Wait is it $50 mir after $419? or is that included in the 419 price because I don’t necessarily mind $379 in total as long as thats the 64gb or 32gb… Then again for that screwed up price on contract I could wait till El goog produces their next Nexus thats hopefully not the LG Nexus we have seen rumoured and still not be tied down by a contract….

    • thepanttherlady

      I’m pretty sure that pricing is for the 16gb.

      • I hope not… I can’t justify 16gbs only for this price

  • Guest

    $700 without contract.
    wow…!

    • kev2684

      why are you so surprised? that’s the pricing for the international version too.

  • CRT24

    Dont worry about the classic price people. Value is the better way to go 99% of the time and the down payment on value is $299.99 which is the same price the other carriers will sell it for. Truly unlimited everything $90.00/mo including the phone payment which is less that every other carriers price for just the plan… That is a fact so dont bother debating the numbers. It might be a little closer call on monthly price compared to the other carriers when you start talking about 5 line family plans and depending on how they are configured but i think T-Mobile fairs just fine there as well. And for upgrades if it has been 18 months since your last discount you can switch to value so no need to worry about classic phone pricing there either!

  • Jai

    I’m not a “Mytouch” person. I’m a Nexus person, but I was waiting for the Note on Tmobile and for them to get it and charge almost $500 upfront (including taxes)….. I’d rather get the new Nexus from the Play Store and gift myself the Nexus 10 when it drops…. Combined, I’ll only be over like $300 bucks more that what Tmo wants for the Note II. At some point, Tmo is gonna have to bite the bullet and price in line with all the other carriers to stay competitive. People don’t read…. They don’t know if you have cheaper prices and truly unlimited data plans…. But, they see the upfront costs of the phone that everyone else has for $120 bucks less out of pocket. SCREW the REBATES…… Who has time for that?????? Nvm… I’ll just get my Note from Walmart…. Can’t see myself buying an LG Nexus :(…. Wanted a Sony Nexus this time around. Lets go Nexus 10 #IpadKiller

  • Jai

    Some of you folks will all be the same folks PO’d at Tmo when your Note II doesn’t get the newest Android version. GS3 is still waiting for JellyBean….Just get the new Nexus.. At least Google will keep you up to date on the newest versions. My GNexus still keeps me entertained. The Note is a novelty to me… Nexus is always the best way to go. O well, I’m glad they announced this unreasonable pricing at the same time that Google may still surprise us with numerous Nexus devices… LG is an absolute DealBreaker tho. Still have memories of the horrible G2x I kept reading about.

    • bleeew

      Thats the old LG. this nexus will be backed up by google updates forbbux fixes. doubt google will want a bad reputation. the new lg phones have better hardware and less defects.

      • jai

        Let’s hope so. I’m still pretty psyched for the Sammy nexus 10 tablet.

  • Walmart for me, $299 on contract price looks good. However, $699 off contract isn’t bad.

    • Hold up what? $699 off contract isn’t bad? wth? How is it not bad? That is high especially for a GSM device… You would pay essentially $750 after all things considered… I could get an actual tablet for that price… In some cases 2 wifi tabs 2 Google GSM GNs I could actually buy a used N1 NS and GN and still have cash left over

      • For those looking for this device off contract, it’s a good price. The international version without the TMo settings is the same price, which is why I feel it’s a good price.

        • But the international version is UNLOCKED which justifies the price it wouldn’t be branded or it isn’t tied to a carrier.. This specifically is tied to T-mobile… It should be at minimum in the low $600s not the High $600s

  • robert

    this is why tmo lost another 85000 customers in last 5 months and will lose similar number in next 3 months. they are the biggest rip off

  • alex

    God…I hate mail in rebates!

    • Little T

      And they hate you.

    • JBLmobileG1

      I think Tmobile should do away with mail in rebates altogether. If customer loyalty can pull strings and do it then I don’t see why they couldn’t get rid of them altogether. I believe current customers and new customers would appreciate it and wouldn’t hesitate as much to sign a new contract if the phone they want is priced good with no mail in rebates.

      • I always thought the point of the mail in rebates was to get us to buy? Their logic being, one little thing wrong on the rebate form and it gets rejected and then they just got us to pay for a phone we probably wouldn’t have paid for because the rebate was going to save us money. Don’t they bank on the hope that some people forget about the rebates and others make little mistakes that void the rebate all together? I agree that they should be instant though. They’re instant online through T-mobile…why not through retail stores? Maybe there’s nobody to get a commission from the online sale verses the in-person sale?

        • Jeremy D. Kantorowicz

          I go though Costco. Always cheaper and rebates are instant.

        • Polo D

          But kinda sucks that costco won’t have them until around November 9th. I refuse to buy it from Tmobile stores for over $300.

        • Clark

          It more that people don’t send them in and they make more money that way. I had a long talk with a DM at store one day about it (we talked about a bunch of stuff, this happened to be one of the topics, he offered me a job but my current one wouldn’t allow me to take it and so we spent an hour just talking phones). Over all, only a small percentage doesn’t turn them in. However when that percentage is from a VERY large number then it adds up.
          Step One: Offer Rebate
          Step Two: …
          Step Three: Profit

  • Aurizen

    I thought classic plans would have the phone cheaper… I haven’t upgraded my phone in a while I’m use to paying 199 for a new phone with a new 2 yr contract doesn’t exist anymore? I thought value plan you pay full price with a phone… I’m not sure I follow tmobile phone customs anymore.

    • thepanttherlady

      You do pay full price of the phone on the Value Plan. It appears in TMo’s push to get customer’s moved over to the Value Plan’s, they’re offering a lower down payment with 20/$20 a month payments.

      • Aurizen

        Oh I see, what about the Classic plan should the phone be cheaper too? like 199?

        • thepanttherlady

          According to the screen shot above, the phone will be $419.99 before MIR for the Classic Plan.

  • archerian

    SGH-T889 – sounds like a Qualcomm radio and chipset. Is the T-mobile version carrying the Exynos 4412 Quad? I heard it doesn’t do 42Mbps

  • get off of me hoe

    im hopping the price would change verizon or att their offering it for 199.99 or maybe 250.00 i would like to get this phone but the price tag of 300 kinda out of my league but everything seem to change when it get’s closer to the date or what not keeping my option open maybe i’ll get the lg nexus compare to the note 2 its small but 4.7inch would do fine but 5.5inch that be all gravy.

  • Bob

    Very Very Dumb idea T-Mobile, I’ll just be switching over to Sprint that has LTE in my area plus are going to give me $100 back for my old phone, plus a $50 bonus to switching over. Sprint has the Note 2 for only $299, and after my discounts I’ll be paying $150 for the Note 2 after the discounts stated above.

    T-Mobile also over priced the S3, when Sprint going to offer the Samsung S3 for $50 on Black Friday!!! Plus Sprint has LTE for both the S3 and Note 2.

    • philyew

      Then pay an extra $20/ month for the Sprint Unlimited Everything plan compared with TM’s Unlimited – Unlimited 4G plan, costing you another $480 over the 2 years of the contract.

      If you happen to be in an area that doesn’t have HSPA+ coverage then it might be worthwhile to get Sprint’s LTE, but all the recent head-to-head studies have shown that TM’s HSPA+ service outperforms Sprint’s 4G offerings, so you may end up paying more for less.

  • Wilma Flintstone

    Just wondering, to the Panther Lady, did you just recently join? I’ve never seen you Mod around here.

    • thepanttherlady

      Nope. Just didn’t comment much before. :)

  • I would like to try to present this in a different way for you to understand. Fuel economy. Think of t-mobile’s plans being plug in electric. Generally regarded as the most gasoline friendly vehicles there are. They are also generally the most expensive style of electric/hybrid vehicles. Plug in Prius..more expensive than the regular. People are willing to PAY MORE upfront to to PAY LESS each month in fuel. Understand? No?

    I’m sure there are people saying “That’s not an accurate example…blah blah blah…it would be more like different car companies…blaaaaaah blahhhh blah.” I can hear you thinking it. The thing is that’s not any more accurate because car companies sell DIFFERENT products, not the same, like phones.

    Energy efficient windows/appliances: More up front to save energy costs long term
    Amazon Prime: Spend money upfront to save money on shipping costs long term
    Digital Cameras: Spend more upfront to save money on film long term
    Sams Club/Costco: Spend money upfront to save money on groceries long term

    This concept is widely accepted in all other situations. Why is it so difficult for it to gain traction in the wireless industry? I have no problem with the upfront cost. My contract is up right at tax time. Spend more up front, less each month. Put the money I save in my savings account, earn interest on it. I guarantee that at the end of the contract the money I save each month plus interest will more than pay for my new phone. Sell old phone, save money, earn interest, repeat.

    • jon

      The concept doesn’t hold in America because we love to charge things. Our government is 16 TRILLION in debt. Americans average 3.5 credit cards per person. And the average household with credit cards has about 15k of credit card debt. Until Americans understand to live within their means and buy a phone they truly can afford; we will have this “I WILL have it now, I don’t care if I can’t even put gas in my car right now.” It’s just the sad state of this over indulgent country. I live within my means. I have one credit card for emergencies only. I have a mortgage payment, 2 car payments and a motorcycle payment. That is basically the extent of my family’s debt. This is the reason I can take 700 bucks and buy Galaxy Nexus when it first drops. I actually save money and buy what I really, really want. Otherwise, I just wait for the wife’s two free upgrades she gets since she is a tmob employee….well almost free. Still pay sales tax on the full retail price…

  • steveb944

    So this is going to cost me $700? My undying love just died. Thank goodness my Amaze is working well still. I’ll wait to see what Nexus has to offer

  • Zach Mauch

    when the GSIII hit, everyone was pissed. However, recently the Magenta Deal Days gave it to you for free. I’m betting you see something similar with this before christmas. I’m betting on black friday.

  • Mackenzie

    I don’t quite understand the Value Plan. According to the screen shot, is the value plan $299.99 PLUS $20/month for 20 months ($700 total for the phone)? or is the phone $299.99 total on the two year Value Plan contract (I don’t care about installments)? Thanks in advance for the explanation.

    • thepanttherlady

      $299 99 plus $20/20 months. You pay full retail value of the phone on the Value plan. If you don’t want installments then you would pay the full cost of the phone upfront.

  • Richard Yarrell

    For me this is a great time. I love my Galaxy S3 but will be purchasing the Galaxy Note 2 on day one.

  • Paul

    Yeah…paying more than Sprint, and paying more than Value Plan holders, is very discouraging. I’m starting to think that I may not be a day-one buyer.
    I want this phone, but my mom didn’t raise a dummy.

    • philyew

      Not sure how you are paying more than Value Customers. This piece doesn’t mention that the VP customer also has to pay $20/20 months on the installment plan, making a total of $700 for the device – considerably more than the Classic Plan customer has to pay.

      Sprint also recovers more on their plan charges to offset their subsidy. For example, their everything unlimited plan is $109.99/ month without tethering, compared with TM’s Unlimited – Unlimited 4G plan which is $89.99/ month. That’s an additional $480 over the lifetime of the contract.

      • Paul

        It looks like it’s $420 for Classic Plans, and $700 for Value with a $300 downpayment.

        • philyew

          Well, it’s $420 less the $50 MIR, which will be $370. Classic plan customers then pay $20/month more than Value plan customers to recover the subsidy, so I have to modify my original comment.

          If you look at the big picture, Classic plan customers do pay more for their subsidized device ($370+$480 = $850), but that is ALWAYS the case to one degree or another – not just for this device.

        • Paul

          Wait, Value Plan customers pay more.

        • Value Plan customers save more through the duration of the contract due to the lower rates. Classic Plan rate plans are all $20 more expensive than their Value Plan counterparts, so there’s really no reason to ever choose the Classic plan since you would be paying more upfront and still paying the same price for your rate plan as someone who is paying the $20 per month EIP.
          Difference is: After 20 months the person on the Value Plan will see their monthly bill drop by $20 while the person on the Classic Plan will still keep paying the higher rate plan.

        • Paul

          Welp, I guess I need switch with my upgrade!

        • philyew

          Because the Classic plans cost $480 more than the Value plans over the lifetime of the contract, the Classic plan customer is paying more for the same equipment and service.

          Review:
          Value plan customer pays $700 for phone and $69.99/month for Unlimited – Unlimited 4G
          Classic plan customer pays $370 for phone and $89.99/month for Unlimited – Unlimited 4G.

          That’s effectively $850 for the privilege of having a subsidized phone for the Classic plan customer v. $700 paid by the Value plan customer.

          In this case, the VP customer is also paying LESS upfront if they opt to use the Equipment Installment Plan, where they pay $20/month for 20 months after an initial cost of $299, while the CP customer is paying $420 outright and then taking a $50 MIR.

        • philyew

          Perhaps some finance specialist here can explain how booking the $20/month to the EIP rather than the subscription plan allows TM to be happy booking less upfront income and $150 less overall for each customer using the Value Plan rather than the Classic Plan?

        • JB

          I’m no finance specialist or anything, but I would imagine that T-Mobile takes some sort of monetary hit when subsidizing vs EIP that’s unseen by the consumer that validates the need for their pricing structure… the small caveat is that with the Value Plan you have to pay taxes on the full retail of the phone at the point of sale.

        • philyew

          I assume that too, but I was hoping someone could elaborate in more detail.

        • JB

          I had to recall my economic lessons from college on this one but I figured it out. LOL. Here’s the monetary hit. We’ll use the Note II as an example. We’ll assume the phone is $700 retail. For a phone at this price, the carriers pays somewhere around $400-$500 per phone. When a carrier sells it at the normal subsidy of $300 they are losing $100-200 per phone. As we all know the carriers make that up by locking a consumers in a contract by way of higher rates. Larger carriers like  VZW and ATT (and Sprint to an extent) can afford to subsidize the way they do because they have the money to do so.

          Concering T-Mobile, they buy the Note II at the same price, but because they are the value leader, they have to sell the same phone at a higher subsidy to recoup what they are losing while keeping your month-to-month low. Value Plans eliminate subsidies altogether because they finance you the full price of the phone. So it’s a win for T-Mobile and the customer because not only does T-Mobile recoups the $400-$500 they spent on each Note II, they net the extra $200-$300 by removing the subsidy. In turn, they can pass the savings on to the consumer.

          Hope that helps…

        • philyew

          Thanks, JB.

          What I found odd about the Note pricing is that normally they collect more from the down payment on the value plan than they do from a subsidized charge on the classic plan. The value of that extra revenue over time serves to offset the reduced income from the value plan.

          In this case, however, the upfront income from the value plan is less than the subsidized price, meaning there is no front loading to offset the reduced plan revenue. It just doesn’t work the same way as in the past and that’s the bit I was really hoping someone could explain.

        • JB

          @philyew:disqus I always thought the down payment for the Value Plan was cheaper than the subsidy for the Classic Plan. At least that was my experience when I bought my S III. I wanted to do some shopping to see if the Value Plan was right for me vs my grandfathered plan. It turns out that it wasn’t so I bought it full retail, but this is what I got out of it:

          On Classic, the S III was $279 after MIR so pretty much $330 upfront. On Value, it was $229. You have to pay sales tax on the full retail of the phone at point of sale, so in Kansas, that brought the total up to $290 some odd upfront.

          So I’m thinking the formula with smartphones is that they are always going to finance you $400 (or $20 for 20 months) so the down payment is always going to be the balance of the retail price what would technically be the standard subsidy you find on other carriers in the case of the Note II, or close to it being that at least in the case of the S III, it was $30 more than what other carriers were selling it for at launch. On Value Plans, the revenue offset is the $20 monthly payments.

          According to the flyer, it looks like the Note II is going for $420 on Classic. Though I’m not sure if that’s before or after the MIR the way it’s worded… Though if it’s in line with the Galaxy S III launch, I’m suspecting that the $419.99 price is before rebate which would bring the price down to $369.99 Which would make it $70 more than the subsidized price, just like the GS III was $80 more after rebate.

          If the Value upfront pricing was higher than the Classic subsidy, they would never attract people to the Value Plan.

        • philyew

          You are right that it didn’t start with the Note II…and maybe not the GS3 either, though I got my subsidized 32GB GS3 for close to the value down payment price and I read about people getting theirs for way less than that.

          It’s probably my imagination, but I did think there was a period when the Value Plan down payment was greater than the amount charged for the subsidized device, even though the overall cost (equipment + plan) is normally substantially less.

          However, I was sure I was going to go over to the Value model when I renewed the four devices on my family plan in August, but found in the end that I couldn’t beat the combined cost of getting a GS3 and three GS2s under subsidy for a total of $380 while keeping my legacy MyFaves plan for another couple of years.

  • Cham

    Average consumers who want a high end phone, don’t look at how much they pay per month, they look at how much the phone is. T-Mobile will have to explain to consumers that they are actually saving in the long term, but how often to Americans look at things in the long term, they would rather pay less now at the expense of later.

  • UpsetLoyalCustomer

    I’ve been a long time Tmo customer but this is the last straw. My contract ends in a few months and I’ll be taking my business to Sprint where I can get a true selection of high-end phones without the price gouging. Tmo just doesn’t get it. For those of us who don’t want samsuck junk we have no choice of high-ends. Where’s the one x+? We got screwed on that. No word of the xperia t that passed through the fcc. Guess we’ll get screwed on that too. No moto phones at all. No LG optimus G. Not even any high-end Chinese phones from Huawei. Come on Tmo bring us some high ends and don’t screw us over. If you want to compete in this market you have to play the game. Sprint gets it. There’s actually a choice of … gasp … high-end phones and price them reasonably!

  • lol no thanks

  • salesrule

    Retail sales don’t make commission on price of phones…

  • yozo

    If non-contract SG3 is $719, I can imagine what the Note2 will cost us.

    • GwapoAko

      SG3 is $549 on tmobile website :0)

  • yoPOPS

    price is expensive as hell. Although walmart is cheaper per se, the out of contract price should be the same. WOW. There goes some extra holiday shopping. ouch

  • I totally agree with some of you about the mail in rebates. Do away with it please! While the value plan is cool, I’m not feeling the 2yr contract that comes with it. Just merge the monthly 4G with the Value. Techinally they both are the same thing right?

    • 21stNow

      There are benefits with postpaid (roaming and EIP, for example) that don’t exist with prepaid.

    • Aside from the contract with cheaper plan that is Value?

  • CRT24

    T-Mobile has something to satisfy all of the complaints that seem to come up every time there is a new phone that launches but I have some solutions for all of you:
    1. Don’t want to pay $420.00 for the phone? Do value and pay $299.99
    2. Don’t want to mess with a MIR? Do value and there is no MIR
    3. Don’t want a contract? Do Monthly 4G
    There you have it folks…I just solved all your issues so now we shoudn’t see any more bitching and moaning over phone price, MIR’s, or contracts……I know that’s fantasy but one can dream!

    • Thank you

    • Guest

      My grandfathered plan is better than the Value though…so I wouldn’t be saving money by switching plans. I will just wait for the price to come down. I still have the MT4G and it’s working fine for me so I can wait a while…

    • 21stNow

      I don’t want to pay $700 for the phone. I’ll see what other carriers are charging before I make my decision.

      • CRT24

        You are way to hung up on phone price. You are going to pay 300.00 up front no matter who you buy it from. From that point you have to look at what you will pay per month and total cost. Using unlimited everything as a baseline, With t-mobile you will be at 90.00/month with the phone installment paynent included. Given the fact that you pay the same up front isnt it still better to have a lower monthly payment??????….. Which you will have with t-mobile in this case so the full cost of the phone DOESNT MATTER!!! You are getting the discount on the SERVICE, not the phone and the fact you are able to pay the phone out at no interest makes it BETTER even though you are techncally paying full price. I have no idea why this is so difficult to get through the thick skulls out ther because its math…… If you pay the same up front and your payment is still less with the phone payments included then wth does it matter how much the phone actually is?

        • 21stNow

          It’s impossible to make a valid argument over what I’m hung up on if you don’t know my whole situation. It’s complicated, so I won’t go into it here. I’m with T-Mobile because of some advantages that they offered in the past. Some of those advantages have disappeared. I was never with T-Mobile because of cheaper pricing (at least on my postpaid line), because I actually get service for a lower price elsewhere.

          I wanted the Galaxy Note II on T-Mobile to satisfy my curiosity about some things (T-Mobile’s 4G speed in my location, Wi-Fi calling performance on the handset and some other things). However, the higher handset price and the higher monthly fee is making me consider doing otherwise. I didn’t get the SGS III with T-Mobile and the SGN II is up in the air now.

          I don’t get why people have to argue with someone else’s decision on where to buy this phone and which company to get service with. There are many variables that can make one carrier good for that customer while the same carrier would be bad for you. That’s why we have choices in this country and why I fight to keep those choices available to us.

        • CRT24

          People argue because some make statements that just arent true. Even still you are talking about “the higher handset price and higher monthly rate” when neither are the case. Of course you are free to buy the phone and service from any carrier you like but you just said price is making you consider other options when in fact the up front cost is the same and the rate is lower that the other 3 major carriers. Unless you are talking about boost or cricket then the least expensive option is t-mobile..that is a fact! So by all means pick whatever carrier meets your needs but just be honest about the FACTS!

        • 21stNow

          How can you argue about facts when you’ve never seen my bills? I know that the rate that I pay T-Mobile is higher than what I pay elsewhere. You make arguments based on what you see on a flyer, versus I make statements based on my actual bills. The SGS III came out far cheaper in device price and monthly service fee on another carrier for me. Just in case you haven’t noticed yet, the key words in the previous sentence were “for me”.

        • CRT24

          yes I did notice that you said “for me” but no carrier has a special rate for different people unless you get some kind of discount based on where you work. The rates are the rates and they are the same for everyone…..I and I’m sure everyone else here would like to know where “elsewhere” is that the rates are “far cheaper” than t-mobile. Your bills are based on the rates and the fact is that T-Mobile’s RATES are less than the other 3 mojor carriers in most if not all cases. If your bills or “high” as you say then maybe you are on the wrong plan and are experiencing overage charges but like I said, please let us know the carrier that you are refferring to that is “far cheaper” than T-Mobile so people can check it out. My guess is since you havent already stated what carrier its is, that is doesnt exist….unless you are referring to one of the regional pre-paid carriers in which case is not and apples to apples comparision

        • 21stNow

          I never described my T-Mobile bill as high because it isn’t. I just get lower prices elsewhere. I have no reason to come in and lie about something like this on a blog. I started this by stating that I didn’t want to pay $700 for a phone. You jumped in with the price of the device and monthly rates, without knowing my situation and for some odd reason, want to argue about it without any knowledge of the factors that I base my decision on.

          My post was a statement of my opinion. I will do what’s best for me. You do what’s best for you. However, your commentary doesn’t affect my decision at all, as it gives no new information.

        • CRT24

          As I said, by all means do what is best for you. I am not trying to “influence” your decision at all but yet merely state the facts that regadless of the actual cost of the phone being $700, when you combine that with rates that are much lower than the competition and the fact that t-mobile allows to to pay out a large portion of the phone with interest free installments on your bill that is is still by far the best option out there regardless of what phone you choose, not just on the Note2. And you absolutely did reference your “bills” and the “higher monthly fee” as your reason for looking “eslwehere with far cheaper rates” which by the way you still have not shared as to who that is so that seems rather odd that you want to keep this great deal a secret. I assume that no matter where you purchase a phone that you will use that particular carriers service so if the up front cost is the same and the monthly rate is less even with the remaining cost of the phone factored in then:
          Same upfront cost + Lower monthly bill = better……doesnt it?

        • 21stNow

          “Higher” doesn’t carry the same connotation as “high”. I had a Virgin Mobile plan in the past that was $35; I have a T-Mobile Monthly 4G plan that is $30 now. I would describe the Virgin Mobile plan as “higher” in cost than the T-Mobile plan, but I wouldn’t describe the Virgin Mobile as “high”. So yes, I did say that my T-Mobile (postpaid) was higher than my other bills, because it was true. However, I would not describe my T-Mobile bill as “high”.

          I don’t like the $700 price of the phone if it is higher than other carriers for the same device. If other carriers are charging $700, then I don’t have a problem with the price. It’s the principle of charging a higher price for the same thing. I don’t buy Shell gas near my job, because Shell gas is cheaper where I live and of course, it’s not out of my way to go there. I believe that the same device should have the same price across the carriers and when it doesn’t, I exercise my available choices to go where the device is cheaper. Monthly service fees don’t matter as much to me because when they get to be too expensive for me, I will stop paying them. This is why I place a high value on not having contracts for cellular service.

        • CRT24

          I completely get it, price is important to everyone but “price” and “up front cost” are 2 different things so that’s why I am just tryng to get people to think about that. Not sure if Virgin will offer that phone but I can guarnatee if they do it will not be at a discount and my point was that on and apples to apples comparison T-Mobile wins 99% of the time on value. You will pay $700.00 for the phone with our (T-Mobile’s) prepaid but if the $30.00 plan works for you then thats great but full cost up front is your only option with our pre-paid as well as the regional pre-paid carriers.

        • 21stNow

          I’m no longer with Virgin Mobile. Like I said earlier, my situation is complicated.

          Either way, can we stop arguing about this now? The price is $650, which is the same price that I think that AT&T will sell it for. I haven’t seen a price from VZW or Sprint, but I’m willing to go for the $650 if that’s what another carrier is selling it for.

          I will be there tomorrow at 10:00 AM to buy this phone. I held it in my hand tonight and loved it! It’s better than I thought that it would be. I even like the gray color better than I thought that I would. It feels like a combination of the first Note and the SGS III in my hand. I love my first Note to pieces and this will be even better.

    • 1.$200 migration fee from classic to value if you have time left in your contract and no its not the same time as device renewal.
      2.See Point 1 and in Addition to that point theres no rebates because you pay Full Price for the phone.
      3.Monthly4G after all the fees is more expensive than contracted plans.

      You did not solve any problems by my standards. So I’m a keep on keeping on about Phone price, MIRs, not about contract because i’m content with contract as I would never switch carriers and if things get more expensive without you knowing or giving authorization its breach of contract is what it is and gets you a way out for free.

      • CRT24

        Well you are one that refuses to look at FACTS. M4G price compared to single line value plans is the same price for all levels of M4G plans offered unless of course you are talking about family plans then the price benefit shifts to value….. FACT! Once again it doesnt matter if you are paying full price for the phone if your monthly rate and total cost are less. Lets use sprint as an example and assume they will sell the note2 for 300.00 up front….unlimited everything is 110/mo for a 24 month cost of 2940.00 over 2 years. With t-mobile your rate will be 90/mo giving you a total cost of 2860.00 over 2 years. You can try and argue with math but the numbers don’t lie….20.00 less per month (40.00 less after the phone is paid off) and less total cost. Not sure how this doesn’t answer your question as to why phone price doesn’t mean a hill of beans in the grand scheme with the options t-mobile gives you.

        • CRT24

          Actually 2380.00 total cost with t-mobile including the phone which amplifies my argument even more… 560.00 less than sprint even with a “700.00” phone

      • 21stNow

        What fees are you seeing on Monthly 4G? I have a monthly 4G line, and I only pay local sales taxes in addition to the monthly charge. The taxes and fees on my postpaid line are higher than what the sales tax amount would be.

  • Ford_Thundercougarfalconbird

    OUCH! Well, I hate the price, but I understand why T-Mobile charges more, and I’m not willing to give up my Classic plan. I knew it would be an expensive phone, so I’ll pop on it.

  • Guest

    The price I’m not upset with too much. It’s a 5.5 inch phone with new features and it’s brand spanking new so it’s going to cost a lot. It’s the rebates I’m sick and tired of. Next time around, I won’t do it through the store. Not only do I have to pay more, but basically give T-mobile some money to hold onto for 6-8 weeks?…

    I’ll pass on the phone for now. My current phone is working and me and the hubby always upgrade at the same time. $420 x 2 right before Christmas is a little steep. I’m still semi-considering the SIII, but after finally buying a tablet and TOTALLY LOVING IT, I am considering this phone also.

  • 21stNow

    I think that the $700 price is too high, but not surprising from T-Mobile, unfortunately.

  • thehumptydance

    I Signed a family plan with T-Mobile and opted for the SG3 on all lines. T-Mobile corporate wanted $350 Per phone – Best Buy wanted $149 with no rebate. Do the math. I imagine There will be similar sales for this one too.

    • CRT24

      you would have paid the same up front price for the phones if you did value and your monthly service cost would be less. So yep, you got the phones cheaper at BB but you are paying more for your monthly service since you are on classic. Up front cost is only part of the story so I would suggest you check your rate that you just signed up for and compare it to value…..it will probably be a little better on value even with the phone installment payments. just some freindly advice.

  • any word on the full retail price?

    • Yup it was in our previous post, $700.

  • Quadbaby

    All Note 2’s on backorder per customer care and retention at T-Mobile, but will be back in stock soon.

  • bvira

    Hello….keep posting some more articles like this….