Deutsche Telekom, AT&T At Odds Over T-Mobile Deal?

Deutsche Telekom and AT&T are putting up a united front in their attempt to finalize the purchase of T-Mobile USA while there are concerns that internally the companies no longer see eye to eye. According to a Bloomberg report their interests diverge should the deal fail and explains that Deutsche Telekom will end up better off when their hands are free to explore other options. DT saw their stock value fall almost 14% after the Department of Justice lawsuit was filed.

“AT&T still wants the deal to go through, but if there’s no hope for it, then it’s to their benefit to prolong the process,” said Leon Cappaert, afund manager at Brussels-based KBC Asset Management who holds AT&T and Deutsche Telekom shares. “For Deutsche Telekom, it’s just the other way round. This is a window of opportunity for all players to grab customers from T-Mobile.”

While Deutsche Telekom CEO Rene Obermann still has the complete support of the DT board to continue working toward a salvaged AT&T deal there are members starting to consider alternative options. These include some long rumored options including spinning off T-Mobile USA on it’s own and going back to previous suitors and restarting talks. In the meantime however, Deutsche Telekom remains committed to working with AT&T and joining them in their court fight against the Department of Justice.

Furthermore Deutsche Telekom has to see the AT&T deal through until it receives approval or ‘officially’ fails before they can restart talks with other potential buyers says Heinrich Ey, a fund manager at Allianz Global Investors in Frankfurt who holds AT&T and Deutsche Telekom shares.

“With AT&T in the driver’s seat, Deutsche Telekom has to do everything to support them,” Ey said. With the probability of regulatory approval now “very low,” a sale of the entire business would still be the best option for investors, he said.

According to Deutsche Telekom Chief Financial Officer Timotheus Hoettges who explained that DT talked with five companies regarding the future of their USA branch. An IPO of T-Mobile would likely yield $28 billion dollars, far below the AT&T offer which continues to offer the reason for Deutsche Telekom’s unwavering support.

Deutsche Telekom doesn’t expect any court proceedings to start before next year with any key changes brought forth by a court proceeding requiring approval by the Deutsche Telekom supervisory board.

“This uncertainty will be most damaging to T-Mobile and Deutsche Telekom, which we presume will not be able to exercise the deal’s break-up provisions and may be precluded from seeking alternative options,” said John Jackson, a Boston-based analyst at CCS Insight. “A blocked deal would leave T-Mobile a weak fourth-place national operator with a parent highly unlikely to commit additional investment and an unappealing shortlist of alternative suitors.”

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  • http://littlebigideas.tumblr.com/ JakeMG

    What about the possibility of a merger with Sprint, which would likely not meet as much regulatory opposition?

  • http://littlebigideas.tumblr.com/ JakeMG

    What about the possibility of a merger with Sprint, which would likely not meet as much regulatory opposition?

    • http://twitter.com/iGNetworks iGNetworks

      Actually it would. They have said they don’t want 3 they want 4. 4 is the magic # and they don’t want any major buying the company.

    • http://twitter.com/iGNetworks iGNetworks

      Actually it would. They have said they don’t want 3 they want 4. 4 is the magic # and they don’t want any major buying the company.

      • MaxLaw843

        But they must realize that it is not the numbers of wireless providers, but rather the number of GSM operators in the USA.  Now, only two GSMs are AT&T and T-mobile.  With the proposed merger no competition in that arena.

      • MaxLaw843

        But they must realize that it is not the numbers of wireless providers, but rather the number of GSM operators in the USA.  Now, only two GSMs are AT&T and T-mobile.  With the proposed merger no competition in that arena.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HK7ALWU4PMZC7SUZ4NZLXDT6R4 Chad

      I would rather merge with Sprint than AT&T mostly because it be more likely we’d get dual band phones like the rest of the world already has. Dual band is the way to go

  • http://cosmicbreeze.tumblr.com/ DtheArtist

    “While Deutsche Telekom CEO Rene Obermann still has the complete support of the DT board to continue working toward a salvaged AT&T deal there are members starting to consider alternative options. These include some long rumored options including spinning off T-Mobile USA on it’s own and going back to previous suitors and restarting talks. ”

    This!!! ^^^

    • sino8r

      That would be sweet! Hopefully, we have the OLD tmobile is that happened. I am curious though… if the deal falls through, is tmo usa too damaged to recover? I guess time will tell….

    • sino8r

      That would be sweet! Hopefully, we have the OLD tmobile is that happened. I am curious though… if the deal falls through, is tmo usa too damaged to recover? I guess time will tell….

      • http://cosmicbreeze.tumblr.com/ DtheArtist

        That’s possible, but I also think they can capitalize off of the benefits of it not falling through w/ what AT&T will give DT/T-Mobile USA.

      • http://cosmicbreeze.tumblr.com/ DtheArtist

        That’s possible, but I also think they can capitalize off of the benefits of it not falling through w/ what AT&T will give DT/T-Mobile USA.

        • Anonymous

          All that money will go to the German government., DT owes many BILLIONS to the German government. I seriously doubt ANY of that 3-6 billion or whatever it ends up being will go at all to tmobile USA. 

        • http://cosmicbreeze.tumblr.com/ DtheArtist

          I never said anything about money. I simply said what “AT&T will give DT/T-Mobile USA.” I made sure I was very selective of words. It wasn’t just money that was supposed to be given, I understand that might not go to T-Mobile USA at all. I’m talking about the spectrum & roaming agreements, “AT&T would also have to transfer about $2 billion worth of spectrum, and a roaming agreement worth $1 billion.” or in other better words, “ the transaction could prove costly for AT&T, which agreed to pay $3 billion and transfer lucrative spectrum assets to T-Mobile USA if the deal does not receive approval.” It’s not exactly flat out money, it’s the worth of the asset of spectrum/roaming agreement.

      • Government Fromage

        This is a very real problem for a number of reasons, both financial and technical.

        On the financial side, T-Mobile continues to bleed customers and profits. We don’t know the stats for q3 yet, and probably won’t until November, but it’s probably safe to say that things are not looking good.

        Add in the fact that DT decided to keep TM’s rates low by not investing in a true 4g network. Every single day that AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, and others build out their LTE networks, TM essentially loses value.

        By the time this deal either passes or fails next year, they’re going to be even further behind the tech curve.

      • Government Fromage

        This is a very real problem for a number of reasons, both financial and technical.

        On the financial side, T-Mobile continues to bleed customers and profits. We don’t know the stats for q3 yet, and probably won’t until November, but it’s probably safe to say that things are not looking good.

        Add in the fact that DT decided to keep TM’s rates low by not investing in a true 4g network. Every single day that AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, and others build out their LTE networks, TM essentially loses value.

        By the time this deal either passes or fails next year, they’re going to be even further behind the tech curve.

      • Government Fromage

        This is a very real problem for a number of reasons, both financial and technical.

        On the financial side, T-Mobile continues to bleed customers and profits. We don’t know the stats for q3 yet, and probably won’t until November, but it’s probably safe to say that things are not looking good.

        Add in the fact that DT decided to keep TM’s rates low by not investing in a true 4g network. Every single day that AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, and others build out their LTE networks, TM essentially loses value.

        By the time this deal either passes or fails next year, they’re going to be even further behind the tech curve.

      • Jfretzzzzz

        Sino8er,
        That brings up a good point, is tmo to damaged to recover?
        I feel they are slowly getting there, customer service quality dropped from first to second for the first time in what 10 years if receiving too awards!!!! The bad seeds have been planted in the tmo system,
        Tmobile posted off employees, not from stores but from the customer tech support, for a coupe that bragged about the best c.s. has slowly failed, I have experienced this after several calls in the past two Weeks with the Last guy apologizing and admitting they been very short handed lately!

        My point being, it may be coincidence but it kinda seems tmo has been strongly persuaded to make job cuts to make them look better for deal to go through…

        Tmo has the good phones now until icrap comes, but its to late imho.

  • http://cosmicbreeze.tumblr.com/ DtheArtist

    “While Deutsche Telekom CEO Rene Obermann still has the complete support of the DT board to continue working toward a salvaged AT&T deal there are members starting to consider alternative options. These include some long rumored options including spinning off T-Mobile USA on it’s own and going back to previous suitors and restarting talks. ”

    This!!! ^^^

  • http://cosmicbreeze.tumblr.com/ DtheArtist

    “While Deutsche Telekom CEO Rene Obermann still has the complete support of the DT board to continue working toward a salvaged AT&T deal there are members starting to consider alternative options. These include some long rumored options including spinning off T-Mobile USA on it’s own and going back to previous suitors and restarting talks. ”

    This!!! ^^^

  • http://twitter.com/iGNetworks iGNetworks

     ”including spinning off T-Mobile USA on it’s own and going back to previous suitors”, What does this mean david? Voicestream?

  • http://twitter.com/iGNetworks iGNetworks

     ”including spinning off T-Mobile USA on it’s own and going back to previous suitors”, What does this mean david? Voicestream?

    • http://tmonews.com David

      No, it means T-Mobile USA as a stand alone company I suppose.

    • http://tmonews.com David

      No, it means T-Mobile USA as a stand alone company I suppose.

      • http://twitter.com/iGNetworks iGNetworks

        Weren’t the previous suitors of T-Mobile USA, VoiceStream Wireless before it was sold to DT?

        • http://twitter.com/iGNetworks iGNetworks

          Thinking about it, it does sound right because they would have to remove T-Mobile from its branding.

        • http://twitter.com/gclayton86 Gary

          I’m pretty sure you don’t understand the meaning of ‘Suitors’ in this context. VoiceStream was a previous owner, or something to that effect. A “Previous Suitor” would likely be Sprint, Comcast, Verizon, etc. Someone who (recently) had an interest in buying the company from DT. 

        • http://twitter.com/gclayton86 Gary

          I’m pretty sure you don’t understand the meaning of ‘Suitors’ in this context. VoiceStream was a previous owner, or something to that effect. A “Previous Suitor” would likely be Sprint, Comcast, Verizon, etc. Someone who (recently) had an interest in buying the company from DT. 

    • http://twitter.com/acehomey Roberto Acevedo

      That’s the first thought that came to my mind, spin off T-mo and resurrect the Voicestream brand :)

    • Ilyas_k15

      It means T-Mobile would be on it’s own, no longer dependent on Deutsche Telekom

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HK7ALWU4PMZC7SUZ4NZLXDT6R4 Chad

     Yes this is what we really want, turmoil from inside the camp and hopefully from there a self-destruct causing this deal to fail. c’mon DT drop it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HK7ALWU4PMZC7SUZ4NZLXDT6R4 Chad

     Yes this is what we really want, turmoil from inside the camp and hopefully from there a self-destruct causing this deal to fail. c’mon DT drop it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HK7ALWU4PMZC7SUZ4NZLXDT6R4 Chad

    I would like to know who the “previous suitors” consisted of. We never got that story if we did I missed it but I’d be interested in hearing who was (or still is) interested.

    • http://tmonews.com David

      I don’t think that was publicly released information.

    • http://twitter.com/iGNetworks iGNetworks

      Previous suitors is VoiceStream. IDK why they’d do that but I guess its ok.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HK7ALWU4PMZC7SUZ4NZLXDT6R4 Chad

        No it is not. Previous suitors means people/companies besides AT&T who were interested in buying T-Mobile before AT&T made a deal. I doubt VoiceStream will ever make a resurrection. We are talking about number 2 (see below)

        Suitors – 1. A man who pursues a relationship with a particular woman, with a view to marriage.
        2. A prospective buyer of a business or corporation.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HK7ALWU4PMZC7SUZ4NZLXDT6R4 Chad

    I would like to know who the “previous suitors” consisted of. We never got that story if we did I missed it but I’d be interested in hearing who was (or still is) interested.

  • TheWayOfThings

    “According to Deutsche Telekom Chief Financial Officer Timotheus Hoettges
    who explained that DT talked with five companies regarding the future
    of their USA branch.”

    I like how DT assured its customers and employees that they had ABSOLUTELY NO intentions selling T-Mobile USA, all the while they were courting five other companies to buy it…

    Wow.. such integrity… kinda makes the heart just swell up with emotion…

    • TMoFan

      I remember reading that here and feeling relieved. DT has failed us big time! What would be great to see is another company take over and bring T-Mobile to the top in a way DT never did.

  • TheWayOfThings

    “According to Deutsche Telekom Chief Financial Officer Timotheus Hoettges
    who explained that DT talked with five companies regarding the future
    of their USA branch.”

    I like how DT assured its customers and employees that they had ABSOLUTELY NO intentions selling T-Mobile USA, all the while they were courting five other companies to buy it…

    Wow.. such integrity… kinda makes the heart just swell up with emotion…

  • Anonymous

    An IPO? Could be awesome if that happens. It will then be an independent company (as in not merged with any of the other big 3, away from DT, and just controlled by investors) and it can begin a bit of rebranding/rebuilding.

  • Youngt82

    Ahh for some reason I really see Google coming in at the very end or even early and find a way to an acquisition with T-Mobile USA and buy them from Deutsche Telekom since Google wants to buy everybody anyways :-) haha

    • http://twitter.com/acehomey Roberto Acevedo

      Except that gives more ammo to regulators that already want to take Google to court for anti-trust.

    • http://twitter.com/acehomey Roberto Acevedo

      Except that gives more ammo to regulators that already want to take Google to court for anti-trust.

      • Jon

        How so? If they decided to buy or takeover T-Mobile they wouldn’t exactly break any anti-trust laws. So I don’t see how this would give them ammo you obviously see something I don’t see.

      • Jon

        How so? If they decided to buy or takeover T-Mobile they wouldn’t exactly break any anti-trust laws. So I don’t see how this would give them ammo you obviously see something I don’t see.

        • Anonymous

          Google wont buy Tmobile. 
          They have too much invested in Android to jeopardize the relationships with Verizon, Sprint and ATT. 

        • Anonymous

          Google wont buy Tmobile. 
          They have too much invested in Android to jeopardize the relationships with Verizon, Sprint and ATT. 

        • Anonymous

          Google wont buy Tmobile. 
          They have too much invested in Android to jeopardize the relationships with Verizon, Sprint and ATT. 

        • jon

          LOL. What relationship? AT&T has had nothing but low end crappy android phones since day one. They will always be apples whore. Same can be said for Verizon. Notice any of those obnoxious “droid” commercials lately? They kicked android to the curb the second iphone was introduced. Last but not least, Sprint is also going to join the iphone gang bang…android no longer needs verizon to further android. Android can now stand on its own…Googles brand and great marketing coupled with T-Mobile’s know-how in customer service makes this an obvious pairing….which is why people keep repeating Google as a buyer. And it makes total sense.

        • Anonymous

          Ya your right ATT is getting the crappy SGII. The crappy Motoroal Atrix only got an excellent rating on CNET…what a POS!!! 
          Oh man and lets not even start with VERIZON and their POS Motorola Bionic!!!! I mean really? EDITORS CHOICE on CNET?!?! WHAT ARE THEY THINKING!!!!! 
          OH SNAP and it looks like VERIZON is getting the EQUALLY SHITTY HTC VIGOR!!! 
          OH YA RIIIIGHT SUUUUUUURE 1.5 DUAL CORE!?!?! THATS IT?!?!?! WHAT A HUNK OF CRAP!!! 
          And your right when I turn on my phuckin TV I have only noticed the DROID commercials like on almost any show I watch. I guess they should step that up. 

          Do you think BEFORE you type??

        • Anonymous

          Ya your right ATT is getting the crappy SGII. The crappy Motoroal Atrix only got an excellent rating on CNET…what a POS!!! 
          Oh man and lets not even start with VERIZON and their POS Motorola Bionic!!!! I mean really? EDITORS CHOICE on CNET?!?! WHAT ARE THEY THINKING!!!!! 
          OH SNAP and it looks like VERIZON is getting the EQUALLY SHITTY HTC VIGOR!!! 
          OH YA RIIIIGHT SUUUUUUURE 1.5 DUAL CORE!?!?! THATS IT?!?!?! WHAT A HUNK OF CRAP!!! 
          And your right when I turn on my phuckin TV I have only noticed the DROID commercials like on almost any show I watch. I guess they should step that up. 

          Do you think BEFORE you type??

        • DetroitTechnoFan

          DUDE YOU REALLY NEED TO CHILL IT THE HELL OUT WITH THE CAPS!!!1111!!!ONEONEONEONE!!!!!!

          THERE REALLY COMPLETELY OBNOXIOUS U KNOW!!!!!1!!1!1!ONEONEONE!ONE1111!!!

        • Anonymous

          What a cute dress you have on. 
          Here are some tissues to wipe away those tears.

        • Anonymous

          What a cute dress you have on. 
          Here are some tissues to wipe away those tears.

        • Anonymous

          What a cute dress you have on. 
          Here are some tissues to wipe away those tears.

        • jon

          Lol..trolls are too good. First off, I didn’t say anything bad about the iphone. Second, I didn’t say anything about the android line up COMING out soon. I was talking past tense jackass. And the other carriers haven’t supported android the way the iphone is. Third, and the most important of all, android does NOT need the “support” of the other carriers any longer. The reason the others are now jumping on the gravy train is because android has proven itself a viable alternative to iphone. That was the point of my whole post. So go back to your hole…

        • Anonymous

          LOL you said that Verizon was Apples whore. 
          If you had any clue on Android history you would know that Verizon pretty much propped up Android. Tmobile may have introduced the first andriod phone but they pretty much did nothing and Verizon came in and took the ball down field. 
          I named MANY ANDROID PHONES ON ALL THE CARRIERS that are past tense! 
          LOL the EVO lineup has and Droid lineup have been around for a long time! 
          “And the other carriers haven’t supported android the way the iphone is.” Are you on crack? 
          The other carriers have been GREAT SUPPORTERS of Android! 
          “The reason the others are now jumping on the gravy train is because android has proven itself a viable alternative to iphone.”
          The other carriers were selling android BEFORE they even had the Iphone!

        • Anonymous

          No offense but you lost all your credibility when you made the jackass statement about not seeing Droid commercials on TV. 
          That was an UNREAL statement. 

        • Anonymous

          Ya your right ATT is getting the crappy SGII. The crappy Motoroal Atrix only got an excellent rating on CNET…what a POS!!! 
          Oh man and lets not even start with VERIZON and their POS Motorola Bionic!!!! I mean really? EDITORS CHOICE on CNET?!?! WHAT ARE THEY THINKING!!!!! 
          OH SNAP and it looks like VERIZON is getting the EQUALLY SHITTY HTC VIGOR!!! 
          OH YA RIIIIGHT SUUUUUUURE 1.5 DUAL CORE!?!?! THATS IT?!?!?! WHAT A HUNK OF CRAP!!! 
          And your right when I turn on my phuckin TV I have only noticed the DROID commercials like on almost any show I watch. I guess they should step that up. 

          Do you think BEFORE you type??

        • Anonymous

          OH MAN and those sneaky bastards at Sprint trying to push their EVO android offerings and only getting 4 out of 5 starts!!! 
          WTF?!?!?! 
          So you only want to like a cell phone company as long as they dont have the Iphone?
          I am glad like 99.99999% of rational people dont follow your beliefs. 

        • Anonymous

          OH MAN and those sneaky bastards at Sprint trying to push their EVO android offerings and only getting 4 out of 5 starts!!! 
          WTF?!?!?! 
          So you only want to like a cell phone company as long as they dont have the Iphone?
          I am glad like 99.99999% of rational people dont follow your beliefs. 

        • Anonymous

          i hate to further burst your bubble but there are an estimated 1 MILLION iphone uses on tmobile.

        • Blackcat3119

          Was just in a sprint store. They’re beefing up their android lineup. The Moto Photon is an awesome phone got to play with it a while. This brings me to the fact that google got a lot of crap for buying moto, no way they would buy any carrier at all.

  • Silk7412

    Ladies and gentleman welcome to goomart wireless ( google and walmart) .
     
    I could see walmart wanting to get them.
    I could see google wanting to get them
    Just keep apple away from us. No way do i want them. if so im running to att.

    • Anonymous

      Google already said they arent interested in purchasing Tmobile. 

    • Anonymous

      “Just keep apple away from us. No way do i want them. if so im running to att.”

      Outstanding customer service scares you?

      • Silk7412

        No.  Not being able to make a call scares me
               Paying four times a much for a outdated phone scares me

      • Silk7412

        No.  Not being able to make a call scares me
               Paying four times a much for a outdated phone scares me

    • Born2kill60

      i highly doubt that apple would want to go into that business. Apple can’t even make a phone that could place calls without disconnecting so imagine them running a telecommunication company.

    • Born2kill60

      i highly doubt that apple would want to go into that business. Apple can’t even make a phone that could place calls without disconnecting so imagine them running a telecommunication company.

    • Born2kill60

      i highly doubt that apple would want to go into that business. Apple can’t even make a phone that could place calls without disconnecting so imagine them running a telecommunication company.

      • Anonymous

        Really?
        I could say the same thing EASILY about Tmobile. 
        I get dropped calls all the time. 
        Other people would say that about Spriint….
        Other people would say that about verizon….
        and so on and so on and so on

        • Born2kill60

          I WAS TALKING ABOUT A MANUFACTURER NOT A CELLPHONE COMPANY. but they drop calls because some areas they don’t have a reliable service yet or high call volume what Apples excuse!

        • Blackcat3119

          Thought you meant that they can’t even put a one inch antenna in the right place on the dam phone, how are they gonna handle a 40 ft. Tower : D

  • Silk7412

    Ladies and gentleman welcome to goomart wireless ( google and walmart) .
     
    I could see walmart wanting to get them.
    I could see google wanting to get them
    Just keep apple away from us. No way do i want them. if so im running to att.

  • Anonymous

    Hahaha for all of you who hate ATT now we face a possibility of FRIGGIN cable companies going after tmobile. 
    LOL that is like 1000 worse than ATT buying tmobile. 
    At the end of the day we will be worse off if this deal falls through but you ATT haters I am sure will have a big circle jerk of excitement. 

    • Anonymous

      I see you’ve done a 180, huh?

      • Anonymous

        I have never had much of a problem with ATT buying tmobile. 
        Much better than the REAL POSSIBILITY of the info stated in the above article. 
        I would much prefer to see Dish Network versus a cable operator get tmobile if the ATT deal fails. 
        I also dont care for the government stepping in and blocking things so easily. 
        At the end of the day though ATT will probably make further concessions in order for the deal to go through. 
        Funny I bet at the end of the day the additional concessions will FAR OUTWAY the money in political contributions ATT made. Countering the NUMEROUS cries on this forum about how ATT is buying their way into this deal. 
        That phuckin red herring needs to be put to rest. 

    • Anonymous

      I see you’ve done a 180, huh?

    • Anonymous

      I see you’ve done a 180, huh?

  • Anonymous

    “A blocked deal would leave T-Mobile a weak fourth-place national operator with a parent highly unlikely to commit additional investment and an unappealing shortlist of alternative suitors.”Notice John says, “ unappealing shortlist of alternative suitors”. 
    Ya BS we are better off without ATT. 

  • Anonymous

    “A blocked deal would leave T-Mobile a weak fourth-place national operator with a parent highly unlikely to commit additional investment and an unappealing shortlist of alternative suitors.”Notice John says, “ unappealing shortlist of alternative suitors”. 
    Ya BS we are better off without ATT. 

  • Anonymous

    “A blocked deal would leave T-Mobile a weak fourth-place national operator with a parent highly unlikely to commit additional investment and an unappealing shortlist of alternative suitors.”Notice John says, “ unappealing shortlist of alternative suitors”. 
    Ya BS we are better off without ATT. 

  • http://twitter.com/SocalFrank1 Frank Alvarez

    I think it would make sense for Tel-Mex and Rogers to do a JV partnership and buy TMO. Then they could rebrand it as Tell Roger

    • Fred

      I was hoping for Taco Bell!

    • Fred

      I was hoping for Taco Bell!

  • http://twitter.com/SocalFrank1 Frank Alvarez

    I think it would make sense for Tel-Mex and Rogers to do a JV partnership and buy TMO. Then they could rebrand it as Tell Roger

  • Anonymous

    All the previous articles I read indicated that T-mobile USA would be poorly received on the public markets.  Declining subscribers, declining profits and a parent company that doesn’t want you…. not a recipe for big money.

    If the deal falls apart next year sometime, i don’t think T-mobile USA will even be worth $28 billion as all those problems will still be there slowly eroding the company away.

  • http://MobileGenius.wordpress.com JM

    Executives at HP and T-Mobile USA should get together for lunch so they can jointly devise plans to ruin their companies reputations and potential futures. They’re doing a good job of this now and together they can do some serious damage!

    • https://plus.google.com/102862831744598656090/about Wesley Griffiths

      Funny, yet sad at the same time.

    • https://plus.google.com/102862831744598656090/about Wesley Griffiths

      Funny, yet sad at the same time.

  • ItsMichaelNotMike

    While DT has to maintain a united front for the media, the DT Board and Rene know that they have painted themselves into a corner.  Basically, they are screwed. 

    Referring to my car purchase analogy (see previous posts), they got so excited over AT&T’s $39 billion offer for their beat up old “trade-in” that DT principals took a BIG gamble that the purchase would be a done deal by early 2012.  Within six months that $39 billion siren song has rolled snake eyes for DT.

    AT&T has some of the sharpest legal minds on the planet. DT has sharp lawyers too and I have no doubt they properly advised DT of the perils if specified contractual contingencies occurred.  IMO, however:

    The sale was a U.S. transaction, a sports game, if you will, being
    played on AT&T’s home turf, that gave AT&T home advantage;

    Just like the car shopper who lusts over the new car sitting on the showroom floor, DT lusted over that $39 billion. Just like 90% of new car buyers, DT was willing to sign almost anything to get that $39 billion;

    DT was outgunned by AT&T in hammering out the Purchase/Sale Agreement, a contract that I assume unilaterally favors AT&T;

    AT&T was in a superior bargaining position and because of such, it called all the shots on the contract terms;

    Desperate people do desperate things. Rene was desperate to save his job. Inking the $39 billion Agreement gave him a “stay of execution” (but I see him gone soon).

    Bottom line:

    – Expect to see the AT&T/DT relationship sour;

    – AT&T invoking Purchase/Sale escape clauses that extinguish the obligation for it to pay DT the $6 billion;

    – Maybe DT will sue to get the $6 billion (but this will be a face saving move);

    – In light of recent events I expect to see the parties amend the Agreement so that AT&T and DT walk away from the deal, each party to bear its costs and fees expended, and DT to pass on getting the $6 billion.

    • https://plus.google.com/102862831744598656090/about Wesley Griffiths

      I hope you are right about the deal breakup. I just hope the company that does buy it knows the right way to run it and keeps it a low-cost/high-value competitor.

    • https://plus.google.com/102862831744598656090/about Wesley Griffiths

      I hope you are right about the deal breakup. I just hope the company that does buy it knows the right way to run it and keeps it a low-cost/high-value competitor.

    • https://plus.google.com/102862831744598656090/about Wesley Griffiths

      I hope you are right about the deal breakup. I just hope the company that does buy it knows the right way to run it and keeps it a low-cost/high-value competitor.

    • Anonymous

      Hey man I heard you have like 120 domains!! 
      Congrats! 
      I have never heard of people buying domains before?
      Is this a new thing?

    • Anonymous

      Hey man I heard you have like 120 domains!! 
      Congrats! 
      I have never heard of people buying domains before?
      Is this a new thing?

    • Anonymous

      Hey man I heard you have like 120 domains!! 
      Congrats! 
      I have never heard of people buying domains before?
      Is this a new thing?

    • BP

      The deal with DT and AT&T will happen.  AT&T has to show the DOJ and US that T-Mobile is not able to perform as a carrier on its own.  Its pathetic they have to use this route but now its the only option.  AT&T has the most to gain from this deal.

    • BP

      The deal with DT and AT&T will happen.  AT&T has to show the DOJ and US that T-Mobile is not able to perform as a carrier on its own.  Its pathetic they have to use this route but now its the only option.  AT&T has the most to gain from this deal.

  • ItsMichaelNotMike

    And since some of my fans in here love it when I write “as I said before,” as I said before the biggest loser out of this situation will be DT/TMOUS. 

    - It won’t get the $6 billion;

    - The TMOUS crown jewel has lost significant value;

    - TMOUS has become a far less attractive acquisition (it might sell for $15 billion if DT was lucky);

    - DT’s stock has suffered a big hit;

    - DT won’t enjoy the $39 billion increase to its bottom line;

    - TMOUS employee morale has been destroyed. There’s zero loyalty. (Both of these are important for sustaining growth and profitability);

    - In preparation for the AT&T acquisition DT destroyed what was good about TMOUS.

    • BigMixxx

      I won’t say a BIT.  Most comanies see that sudden burst of activity in stock pricing.  DT saw a NASTY downshift and is STEADY sinking….

      They have to step away to save the parent company’s value.  I REALLY think that’s gonna happen.  If not, it’s time to start giving away the farm!

      • ItsMichaelNotMike

        I based my “big hit” statement on:

        “[DT] stock has lost 14 percent since the Aug. 31 U.S. lawsuit against the transaction… HSBC Holdings Plc analysts cut Deutsche Telekom’s rating to “neutral” from “overweight,” lowering their share-price estimate by 32 percent to 9.50 euros.”

        If my [nonexistent] portfolio took a 14 percent hit, I’d consider that “big.”

        But then again, portfolios differ.  ;)

      • ItsMichaelNotMike

        I based my “big hit” statement on:

        “[DT] stock has lost 14 percent since the Aug. 31 U.S. lawsuit against the transaction… HSBC Holdings Plc analysts cut Deutsche Telekom’s rating to “neutral” from “overweight,” lowering their share-price estimate by 32 percent to 9.50 euros.”

        If my [nonexistent] portfolio took a 14 percent hit, I’d consider that “big.”

        But then again, portfolios differ.  ;)

    • Anonymous

      I would beg to differ. 
      DT was destroying TMOBILE long before the ATT sale of tmobile. 

  • BigMixxx

    GIVE AWAY THE FARM!  get as many people on the property as possible and make it LOOK good.

    See how much it’s worth when your subscriber base increases by 100K, 200K.  Humm will have to grow a pair to keep the company alive.  Customers WILL start leaving VERY soon as ATT advertisement gets more and more aggressive about this “merger”.  

    The best thing to do is give it away. Tier it away.  People who sign longer term contracts get best pricing for devices and billing.   Introduce a 3 year contract, with upgrades available after year one.  Introduce 180 day contracts! Flat line data at 25 dollars and don’t cap it.  Something!  Lower  the price of the phone, lower the cost of the plans, put incentives in the plan and increasing the long revenue.  

    T mobile has to differentiate itself from the larger carriers in order to bring a base back, yet provide enough price/value to beat out the smaller carriers.  Give the service away to get your consumer base up/keep the consumer base.

    As for other suitors….
    Sprint does not have the buying power to get in a money race with me, much less AT&T, and I’m broke!   They don’t have the free cash flow to finance such a thing.  

    Comcast won’t touch wireless, Centurylink May be a viable suitor in the offerings, but you would really have to hope and pray.  This dude in Mexico, may be the best option to sell, as T mobile fits right into that portfolio.  

    The thing I see here…an IPO was THOUGHT of (28 billion is WAY too high, I see 19, 15 billion, something reasonable). 

  • BigMixxx

    GIVE AWAY THE FARM!  get as many people on the property as possible and make it LOOK good.

    See how much it’s worth when your subscriber base increases by 100K, 200K.  Humm will have to grow a pair to keep the company alive.  Customers WILL start leaving VERY soon as ATT advertisement gets more and more aggressive about this “merger”.  

    The best thing to do is give it away. Tier it away.  People who sign longer term contracts get best pricing for devices and billing.   Introduce a 3 year contract, with upgrades available after year one.  Introduce 180 day contracts! Flat line data at 25 dollars and don’t cap it.  Something!  Lower  the price of the phone, lower the cost of the plans, put incentives in the plan and increasing the long revenue.  

    T mobile has to differentiate itself from the larger carriers in order to bring a base back, yet provide enough price/value to beat out the smaller carriers.  Give the service away to get your consumer base up/keep the consumer base.

    As for other suitors….
    Sprint does not have the buying power to get in a money race with me, much less AT&T, and I’m broke!   They don’t have the free cash flow to finance such a thing.  

    Comcast won’t touch wireless, Centurylink May be a viable suitor in the offerings, but you would really have to hope and pray.  This dude in Mexico, may be the best option to sell, as T mobile fits right into that portfolio.  

    The thing I see here…an IPO was THOUGHT of (28 billion is WAY too high, I see 19, 15 billion, something reasonable). 

    • ItsMichaelNotMike

      Great ideas, but U.S. post-paid carriers are too used to what I would call the “money-grab/greed” model.

      Maybe when millions of post-paid subscribers keep moving to prepaid each quarter the carriers will accept that the days of the money-grab/greed way of conducting wireless business are over.

      Query: A statistic I would be curious about, how many subscribers whose post-paid contracts expire opt to switch to prepaid.  I don’t know the numbers, but it appears that T-Mobile’s “value conscious” subscribers are doing exactly that (the last few quarters I thought I read that while T-Mobile has been losing post-paid accounts, it has seen a significant increase in prepaid subscribers).

      As to possible suitors for TMOUS, unless one is already in wireless I don’t see a company wanting to jump into this competitive area, especially with the carrier war going on.

      And think of all the uncertainty with TMOUS.  Exactly why is the Company losing so many subscribers every quarter.  And will that trend continue. 

      Considering the current situation TMOUS appears a foolhardy purchase.  If someone does offer to buy TMOUS under these circumstances, I don’t see them offering anything more than a fire sale price for it.

      • Anonymous

        Really?
        Millions?
        Source?

      • Anonymous

        Its funny to read your propaganda about prepaid versus contract Yes you might save a little money but you give up a fantastic device selection and much more reliable service. 
        You call the companies greedy but the bottom line is people are WILLING TO PAY. 
        Nobody is forcing people to pay! 
        You sound jealous. 
        Its not greedy its called you get what you pay for. 

      • BigMixxx

        Great postulation…i would look at sprint as the model. As those iden customers lines close up so goes the customerp, so goes the customer base. Amalgamations of networks don’t work. There is no causeway for users to automatically go to another network on the same carrier, sprint can’t sustain its lossess either.

        Yes the DT portfolio is getting killed and DT shareholders are not going to like it. You should not be losing money during an acquisition. DT is almost forcing this for the long term investment in at&t.

        I still say give away the farm..

    • IT Guy

      The problem with even more radical price cuts like that is that while they may gain customers, they still need to make money. Even their current price levels, they’re working on a tiny profit margin.

      $1.2b in profits from 33m customers comes out to about $36.36 avg profit per customer per year, or about $3 a month, 10c per day.

      Now granted that’s averages. Contracted smart phone users with data plans make them something like $52/year. The profits for prepaid were something like $19/year. The financial reports over the last few months have shown them losing contract subscribers (but gaining a number of prepaid)

      The only way to turn more of a profit is to cut costs. We’ve seen already the mass firings at call centers and what that’s done for CS. What’s next? They’ve already dug themselves in a hole by not investing in any sort of LTE network, and are going to be years behind the competition when and if they ever decide to build one.  

      • BigMixxx

        It’s not about the profit right now. T mobile has the lowest operating costs in the industry. Terms like arpu kill the value that t mobile represents. The margins of profit is consistently higher each and every quarter.

        Its getting customers for t mobile. Those profits will increase dramatically.

        • IT Guy

          See, I would argue that while their profit margin is expanding it’s at the expense of investment in the future. They can put that off, but eventually it’s going to come back and bite them in the butt.

          As others continue to build out their LTE networks, they’re eventually going to leave T-Mobile with “old technology”.

        • Anonymous

          And yet, tmo’s “old technology” HSPA+ is keeping pace and often out performing verizon’s “new technology” LTE. Though in the end it really doesn’t matter what the underlying technology is when the providers are throttling speeds anyways.

        • IT Guy

          You are totally right. Pretty much everyone in the industry agrees that HSPA+ is where it’s at right now, and will remain to be so for a few more years.

          Down the road, though, the efficiency of of LTE wins out.  

        • Government Fromage

          HSPA+ will continue to be a valied alternative for the near future.

          Most of the articles I’ve read say that as network traffic increases, LTE’s efficiency will make it the clear choice by 2014-2016. Still a few years down the road, but it’s where things are headed.
           
           
           
           

        • Government Fromage

          HSPA+ will continue to be a valied alternative for the near future.

          Most of the articles I’ve read say that as network traffic increases, LTE’s efficiency will make it the clear choice by 2014-2016. Still a few years down the road, but it’s where things are headed.
           
           
           
           

  • YourMOM

    See what all you whiney welfare bitches have done.  Your paranoia means that instead of us going to a large wireless provider with a combined M2M base of 130 million and arguably the largest coverage area in America (while being able to keep our rate plans) now we’re going to get spun off to a ghetto carrier like Metro PCS or Crickett.

    Happy now?

    T-Mobile should just spin off all the crybaby’s to Cricket or Boost Mobile and let the rest of us be absorbed by AT&T. 

    • Anonymous

      Or a shitty cable company

    • Anonymous

      Or a shitty cable company

    • yourMOM(musthavedrankheavily)

      How about this:  Why don’t you just move your service to AT&T?  If you think you would keep your rate plan when your contract ended you might want to consult your history book.  Ask current AT&T subscribers how they feel about their service.  This also has nothing to do with subscribers.  Do you think the government gives a crap about what is posted on forums?  This is a flat out shady uncompetitive deal and they are getting called out on it.  Nothing to do with what the consumer wants.  Also, getting spun off to another “ghetto” carrier would still bring the same service area as TMO had previously combining the new companies hence making a larger network which could possibly compete with the top 3 carriers keeping us on welfare as you call it not having to pay $30+ a month extra.  Not to mention that a company such as Cricket or Boost would actually want TMO around and put money into it unlike DT.   

      • YourMOM

        I was planning to keep my rate plan and become an AT&T subscriber.  AT&T has tons more coverage in my area anyways.  The only difference is that I’d keep my rate plan and grow my coverage area at the same time. 

        You welfare babies would become part of a larger carrier without having to pay some form of bad credit deposit but getting more for less than others would pay still wasn’t good enough.

        I hope AT&T is able to retain the infrastructure to improve coverage and just spin off the crybabies to Metro PCS.  There needs to be a sign up sheet for you guys to move on out.  

        • Anonymous

          I see you’ve been drinking the debunked at&t koolaid.

        • YourMOM

          And you are thinking with emotions rather than reason.  

          T-Mobile USA and its customers will be in a much worse position should this deal fall through.  

          You don’t want AT&T to buy them but nobody else would ever pay $39 billion for the assets especially in this economy.  DT doesn’t want us and will not invest.  

          Manufacturers will stop making AWS capable superphones for a company that continues to erode customers.

          We’ll be sold to a bunch of small companies with incompatible billing systems and networks along with awful coverage.  

        • Respawn

          I am a current AT&T subscriber and use to have T-Mobile, so I see what you’re saying. At the same time, I had no problem with my T-Mobile service. The ONLY reason I switched was because the town my dad lives in is out in the middle of nowhere and i visit him frequently and it would be better to pay for the prepaid $50 AT&T prepaid plan than to keep paying my T-Mobile service and get a prepaid on top of that.

          The fact of the matter is, company-wise, T-Mobile is a better company. Unfortunately, there are people in this country who always equate paying more with better. In the case of coverage, this is true now, but it wasn’t always this way. When you have a bunch of stupid, uninformed idiots overpaying for service, naturally you’re going to have the better coverage.

          AT&T needs to stop being greedy/lazy and INVEST in their network instead of buying a competitor. They just don’t need T-Mobile. There’s no point in this deal other than to line the pockets of the AT&T corporate bigheads.

          On the other side, DT got themselves into this situation. They should have invested in their network as well. Bad management to say the least.

        • Olga

          DT failed to invest in T-Mobile properly when they had the chance.  They had the money to build  the best network or even partner with landline or cable companies willing to go head to head with VZ or AT&T.  Instead they went the cheap route because they felt people were dumb and wouldn’t know any better if they could be blinded by cheaper rates.

          I’m from Germany.  I can say with all honesty that DT is the way DT treated TMOUSA is an embarrassment to the German people and the telecom industry in general.  I figure the reason most of you are so loyal is due to price but unfortunately the company you love so much doesn’t care as much about you.  

          AT&T may be the only chance you guys have to get LTE unless you want to go to Verizon or mixed match swiss hole pipe dreams Sprint and Lightsquared are spewing out.  

        • Anonymous

          Strange how many people believe he U.S. will somehow benefit from the anti-competitive environment this merger will create.

        • Anonymous

          Strange how many people believe he U.S. will somehow benefit from the anti-competitive environment this merger will create.

        • Maxsurfer420

          Dude wind mobile in canada uses aws bands, so handset manufactures will still be making aws mobile phones.

        • ItsMichaelNotMike

          Precisely. 

        • Anonymous

          “Reason” requires that you do more than act like some kind of weird provider fanboy.

        • Anonymous

          no one is stopping you from moving to at&t. so stop bitching and switch if you are not happy.

          “We’ll be sold to a bunch of small companies with incompatible billing ”

          lmao wtf are you talking about haha

        • bhurd

          We should all take up a collection to pay your ETF.  But, if you like ATT so much you should move oer tomorrow regardless.  I just had the opportunity to try their “wonderfull” service myself.  No thanks.

        • Anonymous

          Until they make you get an at&t plan then you bitch like the little cry baby you are ha. Good thing I’m on Verizon and get a nice work discount. Their coverage and LTE blow at&t away.

        • Anonymous

          Until they make you get an at&t plan then you bitch like the little cry baby you are ha. Good thing I’m on Verizon and get a nice work discount. Their coverage and LTE blow at&t away.

        • Anonymous

          Until they make you get an at&t plan then you bitch like the little cry baby you are ha. Good thing I’m on Verizon and get a nice work discount. Their coverage and LTE blow at&t away.

        • https://plus.google.com/102862831744598656090/about Wesley Griffiths

          Great, keep your plan if the deal goes through. You must be planning to pay full price up front for all your phone upgrades in the future too (like me). Hopefully you won’t ever need a plan with more minutes either. If AT&T lets us hold on to unlimited internet with our current plans, then I may keep my plan too. However, I would rather see this deal break up so another company can buy it, keeping an extra big competitor in the market. DT caused this mess for T-Mobile USA, not people on welfare. They jumped at the chance for a $39 billion money grab without thinking of how it would affect a free market based on competition (hence the legal battles with the DOJ and others). 

        • MrBonez

          First of all you f**king idiot, I’m not on welfare and I’m sure that most T-Mobile customers aren’t either so maybe you should just shut-up and go to AT&T where you can live happily ever after until they totally screw you over which I’m sure won’t take long. Then of course you’ll be back in here whining to the rest of us so called whiney welfare bitches and babies about how much of an ignorant idiot you are and were. So how about doing us dedicated T-Mobile customers a big favor and SHUTTING THE HELL UP you damned idiot!!!

        • http://tmonews.com David

          Don’t take the bait from others, the next person who swears gets banned.

        • http://tmonews.com David

          Don’t take the bait from others, the next person who swears gets banned.

        • Ameedi600

          In my personal opinion I believe that most of the users that at&t has acquired were probably iPhone users that were on T-Mobile but wanted to get 3g on there iPhones. And eventually went to at&t not because of the service but because they need 3g. If T-Mobile were to Start selling iPhones, there’s no telling how many people would join. I’m no apple fan, I am actually a proud owner of an android phone. Long live T-Mobile lol

    • phonegeek

      Eat a twix

    • Anonymous

      lol mad?

    • Anonymous

      lol mad?

    • Youareabigot

      “Welfare bitches”… “ghetto carrier”… yep, you’re just a bigot.

    • MIKEEEEE

      what are you waiting for? switch now.

    • MIKEEEEE

      what are you waiting for? switch now.

    • Kenshiro

      If you’re so well off, why aren’t you with AT&T right now? Or, maybe you’re not a T-Mobile customer at all. TROLL. Get lost. Better yet, get f***ed.

  • BP

    Are AT&T and DT really trying to get the DOJ’s sympathy by making T-Mobile look pathetic?  I’m almost ashamed to say I have T-Mobile.  Somebody call Jose Baez (Casey Anthony’s lawyer) so ATT and DT can get this deal done.  

  • BP

    Are AT&T and DT really trying to get the DOJ’s sympathy by making T-Mobile look pathetic?  I’m almost ashamed to say I have T-Mobile.  Somebody call Jose Baez (Casey Anthony’s lawyer) so ATT and DT can get this deal done.  

  • BP

    Are AT&T and DT really trying to get the DOJ’s sympathy by making T-Mobile look pathetic?  I’m almost ashamed to say I have T-Mobile.  Somebody call Jose Baez (Casey Anthony’s lawyer) so ATT and DT can get this deal done.  

  • http://twitter.com/LTEstyles LTEstyles

    In the end, our beloved T-Mobile USA is bleeding and no one is trying to help it but instead taking it’s money while its dazed.

  • http://twitter.com/LTEstyles LTEstyles

    In the end, our beloved T-Mobile USA is bleeding and no one is trying to help it but instead taking it’s money while its dazed.

  • DetroitTechnoFan

    “there are members starting to consider alternative options. These
    include some long rumored options including spinning off T-Mobile USA on
    it’s own”

    YES!!! DO IT!!!!!!!! You don’t even have to call it T-Mobile, just leave everything else alone with it and let the people here do what they do best, and let us forge a good international roaming agreement for when we travel!

    • http://cosmicbreeze.tumblr.com/ DtheArtist

      Yes, exactly. I wouldn’t care what they called it either. Just keep the innovation, high-quality service, affordable valuable prices/services/plans, & a variety of devices/phones. Shoot, maybe we can even get some new colors instead of pink & white. That’d be cool. lol

    • http://cosmicbreeze.tumblr.com/ DtheArtist

      Yes, exactly. I wouldn’t care what they called it either. Just keep the innovation, high-quality service, affordable valuable prices/services/plans, & a variety of devices/phones. Shoot, maybe we can even get some new colors instead of pink & white. That’d be cool. lol

      • Wilma Flintstone

        Hey I was with ya until you said no pink and white. Magenta needs to stay. The name, I don’t care about but do not touch the color scheme!!! >:{

        • http://cosmicbreeze.tumblr.com/ DtheArtist

          lol. Well…. if it wouldn’t be T-Mobile anymore, no need to keep the Pink & white. But, seriously, I don’t mind. I just want the “T-Mobile” service.

      • Wilma Flintstone

        Hey I was with ya until you said no pink and white. Magenta needs to stay. The name, I don’t care about but do not touch the color scheme!!! >:{

    • Kenshiro

      That all sounds great to me! As long as the management doesn’t go and there aren’t layoffs. And the magenta doesn’t have to go, but a deep cerulean or sapphire blue would be awesome! I hope the name stays T-Mobile.

  • DetroitTechnoFan

    “there are members starting to consider alternative options. These
    include some long rumored options including spinning off T-Mobile USA on
    it’s own”

    YES!!! DO IT!!!!!!!! You don’t even have to call it T-Mobile, just leave everything else alone with it and let the people here do what they do best, and let us forge a good international roaming agreement for when we travel!

  • Anonymous

    This thing is starting to worry me. Dts desperation to unload tmo usa may have come back to bite them

  • HeLLkAt31

    All these tycoons are all f@kn leeches, they don’t want to leave anything descent for the hard working class of people…

    • Wilma Flintstone

      Hey, I likez Roller Coaster Tycoon though

    • TMOTECH

      Right. Because CEO’s  were born that way. They don’t work at all. They were CEO’s their entire life and never have to lift a  finger. “Working class people” is a BS term used by people that don’t like to work hard for what they get and are pissed off that the guy they hated in high school that worked hard for everything he received finally got a payday and is now in charge. 

      Grow up and think before you type moron. 

      • bozgp

        It takes more than hard work to become a ceo. Those extra qualitues and the job duties are why ceos get on the level of lawyers and politicians. Crap people!

      • bozgp

        It takes more than hard work to become a ceo. Those extra qualitues and the job duties are why ceos get on the level of lawyers and politicians. Crap people!

      • Anonymous

        There’s a huge difference between successful geek, and power/money hungry chalatans that care only about their next corporate scheme to achieve the illusion of success they’ve created for themselves in the form of cars/women/homes/facesaving ventures.

    • TMOTECH

      Right. Because CEO’s  were born that way. They don’t work at all. They were CEO’s their entire life and never have to lift a  finger. “Working class people” is a BS term used by people that don’t like to work hard for what they get and are pissed off that the guy they hated in high school that worked hard for everything he received finally got a payday and is now in charge. 

      Grow up and think before you type moron. 

  • Mmmaxheadroom

    Here quick! Gimme your money and ill keep it safe until your ready! Lmao, you will never be ready, but thanks for the bens.

  • people should care

    I think the thing no one understands is people have famlies at hime what about peoples job. Have a heart and stop worrying about service or a bill for a chance. Look at how this will effect peoples homelife…

    • Guest

      Tell ya what…I’ll stay with T-Mobile if you promise to eat at my restaurant once a week so the place stays open and I can keep my job. Sure, service is slow and rude, there’s no parking, and there are tons of better restaurants around us, but what’s important is that we both keep our jobs, right?!??

      Whatever…

    • Guest

      Tell ya what…I’ll stay with T-Mobile if you promise to eat at my restaurant once a week so the place stays open and I can keep my job. Sure, service is slow and rude, there’s no parking, and there are tons of better restaurants around us, but what’s important is that we both keep our jobs, right?!??

      Whatever…

      • STEPHANIE29

        LMAO

    • Guest

      Tell ya what…I’ll stay with T-Mobile if you promise to eat at my restaurant once a week so the place stays open and I can keep my job. Sure, service is slow and rude, there’s no parking, and there are tons of better restaurants around us, but what’s important is that we both keep our jobs, right?!??

      Whatever…

  • Cingular

    Not everyone hates AT&T.  It’s just when you get all the whiners mixed with the propaganda and paid Sprint internet posters you feel like the whole world hates them.  

    Numbers don’t lie.  Both AT&T’s churn rates and net adds show most customers are satisfied for whatever reason. 

    All phone company’s suck in some way but honestly I got tired of seeing SOS on my T-Mobile phone in the middle of a busy city intersection so I switched to AT&T and couldn’t be happier.  

    Many people get huge corporate, educational or organizational discounts with AT&T making their prices as cheap or even cheaper than what T-Mobile gives you guys today.  

    • Nearmsp

      There is no paid person here. This is a T-mobile news forum. What are YOU doing trolling here. Now that things are not going AT&T’s way, have they now sent hired guns to troll these boards and spread lies? AT&T can have a hollowed out T-mobile. Now that Sprint has got an iPhone, even expensive Verizon is not an option, let alone AT&T. Even if the only choice would have been AT&T, I would go without a cell phone. That company should be kicked out of the US and sent to Europe so they will learn how to compete by service. Here they come last in all consumer surveys but use their monopoly power to get exclusives such as iPhone to grow. Without the iPhone AT&T would have become half its current size.

      • Trashcan

        I was an ATT customer. Never again! I am a Tmob customer and dont want to see ATT, even if ATT pays me to use their service!

        Google should  step in and buy Tmob. Then we woild have an awesome company!

        • Justsaying

          that would get shot down too probably by the DOJ, would be another monopoly …they’d keep all the android google phones to themselves

      • Trashcan

        I was an ATT customer. Never again! I am a Tmob customer and dont want to see ATT, even if ATT pays me to use their service!

        Google should  step in and buy Tmob. Then we woild have an awesome company!

      • Voicestream1999

        That just goes to show how irrational some of you guys are.  In 2011 you’d go without a cell phone if you had to use AT&T?  I’m sorry but that is extremely over dramatic.  People like you can’t reason with facts so you get all emotional and convince yourselves that being retarted is taking the high moral ground.  

        AT&T’s customer service may suck but you know what they have a heck of a lot more coverage than T-Mobile (larger 3G network too) and more people use them.  Not only that but more people sign up with them and a larger percentage of their customers stay put when you compare the facts vs T-Mobile or Sprint.  

        I don’t know about you but I want to keep my T-Mobile rate plan when AT&T takes over.  Thanks to some of you crybabies I might not be able to keep it at all when Cricket or Metro takes over.  Thanks a lot.  

        • Wilma Flintstone

          More People signing up with them is not a good thing. It just means that their network is more bogged down thus resulting in slower 3G/4G speeds due to the large number of users using up bandwidth.

          Yeah more customers means more money for AT&T but in turn, its slower network speed. It’s a Doublr Edge sword where neither side is in your favor. One Side, At&t (not you) gets more money and on the other side you pay more for slower capped data and speed.

    • Kenshiro

      Sorry, but I pay $85/mo before taxes for unlimited voice, texting and data at T-Mobile. The same plan at AT&T would be $135/mo before taxes. There’s no corporate discount in existence that will knock $50+ off my bill. And customer shouldn’t have to be a white collar behind a desk or work for a huge corporation to qualify for reasonable pricing.

      • Justsaying

        $85 bucks gets you 450 lan line anytime minutes, unlimited mobile to mobile to any cell carrier, unlimited text and 2GB data, not unlimited minutes but pretty close w/ their mobile to mobile offer, not unlimited data but still 2GB is decent for most users… do you really need unlimited minutes to lan lines now a days anyways? not saying the att plan is the best, but you can make it much less then 135 / month…

        • http://twitter.com/BruceCLin Bruce Lin

          Wife clocks 2k-3k+ minutes per month through google voice, which are land line numbers, on her cell to Korea. Not everyone can get away with measly 450 minutes.

  • alt-mobile

    I have the solution: every reader for TmoNews should pitch it and we should spin off T-Mobile USA as its own brand.  How about that?  A cell phone company for the people, run by the people.

    I call CEO.

    • Wilma Flintstone

      Now you know that position is only available to Me. But I’ll let you be CEO as long as I’m Head Chairman. Meaning I sit back and watch as you, the CEO does all the managing, work, etc, which in turn, fill my pockets. Welcome to People Mobile CEO Alt. :D

      • Anonymous

        I know our provider will be full of MeeGo phones… maybe only carries meego os phones haha.

      • Anonymous

        I know our provider will be full of MeeGo phones… maybe only carries meego os phones haha.

    • http://tmonews.com David

      Wouldn’t I get CEO?! I’ve put the time in!

      • alt-mobile

        You could be COO David.

        And Wilma, I would probably make you President of the Meego phone department.  I’m a delegator (or is it delegater?), I make things happen.

    • http://tmonews.com David

      Wouldn’t I get CEO?! I’ve put the time in!

  • alt-mobile

    I have the solution: every reader for TmoNews should pitch it and we should spin off T-Mobile USA as its own brand.  How about that?  A cell phone company for the people, run by the people.

    I call CEO.

  • MIKEEEEE

    welcome to the new VOICESTREAM. 

  • Anonymous

    Great Great thing to do
    http://www.iphoneleaks.net/

  • macman37

    Since the Department of Justice does not want any of the Big Four US Mobile Carriers {Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, & T-Mobile} merging, it would be very hard to do a deal with Sprint.  Although their possible combined size would be almost as big as AT&T, they would have an uphill battle in proving that customer service will stay the same or improve.  With these outcomes and the AT&T and T-Mobile merger more than likely getting no approval, Deutsche Telekom should start exploring other options with either the Dish Network or cable companies like Comcast, Time Warner, or Cox really soon, since they want to get into the mobile phone business and start a 4G LTE network.

  • Kenshiro

    What DT should really be concerned about is how T-Mobile looks to their customers now that they’re trying to feed us to the wolves (AT&T) for a sum of money. I don’t care if it’s in the trillions, you don’t hand your loyal customers over to a business known for their price gouging and terrible service and expect to be trusted again. I hope you find a better solution DT, otherwise you’re f***ed, whether or not this deal goes through.

    • Kerry

      This is what has bothered me the most, being handed off to AT&T.  I went through that with the AT&T/Cingular thing and it sucked. 

    • Kerry

      This is what has bothered me the most, being handed off to AT&T.  I went through that with the AT&T/Cingular thing and it sucked. 

  • Kenshiro

    What DT should really be concerned about is how T-Mobile looks to their customers now that they’re trying to feed us to the wolves (AT&T) for a sum of money. I don’t care if it’s in the trillions, you don’t hand your loyal customers over to a business known for their price gouging and terrible service and expect to be trusted again. I hope you find a better solution DT, otherwise you’re f***ed, whether or not this deal goes through.

  • Kenshiro

    Hey, I got an idea. Instead of selling T-Mobile US, why doesn’t DT just aqcuire Sprint under the T-Mobile banner, increase their customer base as well as their ability to compete with both AT&T and Verizon? As long as they don’t increase their prices and the quality of their customer service doesn’t drop, I don’t see it being stopped by the DoJ. Everybody wins, prices stay the same, Sprint customers enjoy better customer service and pricing, T-Mobile becomes more relevant in the US, DT increases revenue at least two or three fold, and all customers enjoy a larger network. All without the schemes of AT&T or Verizon.

    • Mike

      Different technologies thats why genious.

      • Fullheadofhair

        Awesome …. genius.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_I2225FFQHYZ5Y74KWZY5NWFC7U Diana

      DT is pulling out of *every* market except Germany.  They don’t want to spend money outside of Deutscheland.