AT&T Files Formal Response To Justice Department Lawsuit

Someone needs to tell me what is in the water over at AT&T headquarters that they believe a T-Mobile isn’t competitive. While T-Mobile is certainly the smallest of the big 4 carriers, calling MetroPCS and Cricket a larger threat than a company multiple times the size of both Metro and Cricket combined is in my eyes, irrational.

AT&T filed a formal response to the Department of Justice lawsuit on Friday arguing that competition in the market won’t be affected by their purchase of T-Mobile.

“Although the transaction will remove T-Mobile as an independent competitor, no significant consumer harm will result,” AT&T said in its filing. “The Department does not and cannot explain how, in the face of all of these aggressive rivals, the combined AT&T/T-Mobile will have any ability or incentive to restrict output, raise prices, or slow innovation. Nor can it explain how T-Mobile, the only major carrier to have actually lost subscribers in a robustly growing market, provides a unique competitive constraint on AT&T.”

AT&T goes on to call MetroPCS, Cricket Wireless, Cellular South and U.S. Cellular “innovative upstarts” that present significantly more competitive threats to AT&T’s standing in the wireless market. AT&T further believes that the Justice Department has overlooked how a combined AT&T/T-Mobile will create a more efficient company as a combined carrier. AT&T stresses in their filing that the Justice Department will create a worse situation in the wireless market by not allowing this merger to go forward.

“Without this merger, AT&T will continue to experience capacity constraints, millions of customers will be deprived of faster and higher quality service, and innovation and infrastructure will be stunted. If this transaction does not close due to Plaintiff’s lawsuit, wireless consumers will, as the FCC Chairman predicts, increasingly face higher prices and lower quality.”

Am I the only one who finds the AT&T statements here are a little far fetched? I understand that in order to gain approval they aren’t going to call T-Mobile a serious threat but do they honestly believe the DOJ won’t consider T-Mobile a competitor?

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  • Mckees2006

    DT phone selection has been terrible and certainly contributed to decline in numbers. Since the first Android phone G-1 TMobile USA new smartphones have either been 3 months outdated or “me-too” compared to the competition. Bottom line Tmobile USA is in this position today because of piss poor management from Germany (Douche Telecom)

  • Mckees2006

    DT phone selection has been terrible and certainly contributed to decline in numbers. Since the first Android phone G-1 TMobile USA new smartphones have either been 3 months outdated or “me-too” compared to the competition. Bottom line Tmobile USA is in this position today because of piss poor management from Germany (Douche Telecom)

    • Auser72

      Have to agree with you, I was jealous of the nicer phones the other networks has for a while. The only thing that kept me with Tmobile was the lower rates. Phone selection is much better now

    • Guest

      Yeah, I totally agree.  It would be really nice to just see DT and T-Mo USA management do their damn jobs and run the freaking business!!

    • Guest

      Yeah, I totally agree.  It would be really nice to just see DT and T-Mo USA management do their damn jobs and run the freaking business!!

  • DTATT

    Deutsche Telekom (DT) appearing like a Deal Partner” with AT&T at the DOJ hearing will lead to a network sharing agreement similar to France Telecom on the UK mobile entity.  The DOJ case adds urgency for both DT and AT&T to negotiate.  DT introduced the U.S. to GSM with T-Mobile USA.  The former SBC, now the new AT&T, followed with the humble start-up of Pacific Bell Wireless that roamed on T-Mobile USA.  The DOJ and FCC aftermath will be that global mobile operator DT leads telco AT&T into next-generation 4G with data roaming in key markets such as New York and San Francisco.  The $7 Billion break-up fee without concessions gives DT the network CAPEX to expand in the U.S.  And for AT&T, the breakup fee including roaming is a lower expense than its own build out and spectrum auctions.  As Apple iPhone 5 launches with Verizon and now Sprint, there is indeed competition.  AT&T’s urgent competition is to retain its high value data customers by offloading to another network in a network sharing deal.      

  • Anonymous

    “Without this merger, AT&T will continue to experience capacity constraints”
    So what do we do in a few years when smartphones go from 40% to 70%?  Have AT&T and Verizon divy up Sprint?

    AT&T needs to shell out money and expand their own network and not buy out the competition.  

    • Cray820

      Am I the only one who thinks that AT&T just wants to monopolize spectrum and raise prices? They have no spectrum problem. They just need to re-organize their own but they won’t because they don’t care.
       
      This deal is not about buying out the competitors’ customers. People will always be loyal to their brands. Upper income people and posers will always got to AT&T and Verizon. Lower income people and loyalist will buy form Sprint and T-mobile. T-mobile and Sprint together drove down service prices over the last few years. On top of that they are racing to increase their data speeds. This eliminates AT&T’s extremely lame excuse for charging high prices for their data services. This is why they are adamant to buy T-mobile who appears to be week at this moment.
       
      Therefore my point is AT&T will not shell out the money to expand their network nor are they buying T-mobile to provide better service. They are just trying to take out their competitor and no one is buying their BS.  

  • Anonymous

    So at&t will spend $39 billion and yet if it doesn’t go through they wont have enough money to build out their network? Feels like a lame ass excuse as to not build out their network and only doing it if they have tmo spectrum. Quit sitting on spectrum at&t and build out your shitty network.

  • http://cosmicbreeze.tumblr.com/ DtheArtist

    Oh… so Bulls**t walks & talks. :O I wonder what else can it do.

  • DuTcH PaPi

    Can I ask a question?  I mean no disrespect to anyone who is considering
    leaving T-Mobile or anyone that has already left because of this
    because of this now-not-likely-to-happen acquisition.

    Why would
    you prematurely leave T-Mobile for another non-AT&T carrier if you
    have been with happy with T-Mobile for so long?  If the reason is solely
    because of the AT&T deal, why wouldn’t you wait to see if it even
    pans out?  I’m just trying to understand the reasoning.  Why not
    continue with the service you’ve been so happy with and ride it out
    until you no longer benefit from retaining T-Mo’s services?

    Believe
    me, I’m no AT&T fan.  I left them for T-Mo because their service in
    my house sucked and their ridiculously high prices.  I have NEVER
    looked back.  I love T-Mo!  Their extremely low and competitive rate
    plans, now excellent selection of phones, WiFi calling, great cell
    service, great (to sometimes just good) customer service…

    If
    your recent experience with T-Mobile is different than mine, that’s a
    completely different story and I understand why you’re leaving, but
    leaving before it’s officially announced whether or not this acquisition
    is happening…….?

    • Nelson Cabrera

      Dude i totally agree with u 100% I’m in T-Mobile for 5 years and I’m not leaving anytime soon or ever I’m sorry

    • IT Guy

      I really don’t see any sense in bailing ahead of time, as long as you’ve got a phone that works and are under contract. It would be silly to pay $200 to break contract, then go to a new service and buy a new phone and all of that.

      In my situation, I was relying on a nearly dead phone, had only another 2 months on contract, and wasn’t sure what to do. I was seriously considering a switch to Verizon or AT&T. I knew it would be a bit more expensive, but it wasn’t going to break the bank. I also knew I’d get better coverage in many of the dinky little towns around here that I travel through a bit.

      In the end, though, I figured my best bet was just to re-up for another two years and get the Sensation 4g that Walmart had for under a hundred bucks. It’s a nice little (well, ok it’s pretty big) phone, and it has the AT&T 3g bands also.

      I figure I’m good now should I have to — or want to go with AT&T. If the deal with them does go through, great. I can get 3g/4g on our towers, and 3g on theirs also.  If something else were to happen and it was so bad that I wanted to leave T-Mobile before my 2 year contract is up I’d end up paying a $200 etf, but I also wouldn’t have to spend $200 for an AT&T phone. Same think if by some stretch of the imagination T-Mobile goes away. No $200 ETF, but I’m all set to go on AT&T’s network.

      • Anonymous

        actually I believe the sensation was rumored to have AT&T 3G bands before it came out but it turned out that it did not have support for it. I read a thread about it on xda when the phone was released.

        this is the thread I read it on http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1038034

      • Anonymous

        actually I believe the sensation was rumored to have AT&T 3G bands before it came out but it turned out that it did not have support for it. I read a thread about it on xda when the phone was released.

        this is the thread I read it on http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1038034

        • IT Guy

          Well hmmmph that puts a kink in my plans. But on the plus side I didn’t spend a fortune on it. And I still have 12 days to return it.

        • IT Guy

          Well hmmmph that puts a kink in my plans. But on the plus side I didn’t spend a fortune on it. And I still have 12 days to return it.

    • BP

      For some people they are leaving or thinking about leaving while they still have options.  I think the scariest thing for people is the uncertainty of T-Mobile.  If a company is possibly being bought out by another company, the smartest thing to do is compare both companies.  If people decide to go to another carrier they feel more comfortable about signing a 2 year agreement.  In the end this is DT’s fault for putting T-mobile and its remaining customers in this position.

    • Freak4Dell

      I agree. For people that have great experience with T-Mobile, it makes no sense to leave. In fact, the best thing to do IF this deal actually miraculously goes through would be to renew your contract before the takeover is official. That way, you get another 2 years of T-Mobile pricing, whereas if you jump right now, you’re paying the high prices from the get go. I suppose the concern over AT&T possibly shutting down T-Mobile’s 3G band might have people worried, but I’m not sure how true that rumor is.

  • Nelson Cabrera

    This is getting ridiculous

  • Tmobile

    I just ported 3 numbers from att so them losing customers to us isnt competition i dont know what is.

  • Tmobile

    I just ported 3 numbers from att so them losing customers to us isnt competition i dont know what is.

  • Tmobile

    I just ported 3 numbers from att so them losing customers to us isnt competition i dont know what is.

    • ZigZigler

      I just ported 5 numbers from T-Mobile to AT&T so I could get the same coverage as I had on T-Mobile on AT&T in a few months. 

      I’m really looking forward to the merger!  Sure AT&T costs a little more but T-Mobile coverage is worth the switch. 

      Plus, I have the iPhone now!  Yay!  I’m going to have my whole family (We’re all on T-Mobile) switch to AT&T soon.  We have about 25 phone lines.  Even the Grandkids have T-Mobile.

      • CRT24

        Enjoy that high bill….and perhaps you missed the fact that the buyout most likely will not happen given that the DOJ is against it.

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/35HLVJSI34LMH5M274SCGWDZBY mike

        Then go play at the iphone site pls?

      • Lol

        wow i like reading about people being happy but what if the buyout fails, tmobile gets a faster iphone, and people who left tmobile for att get charged a higher fee for trying to go back? that would be hilarious! 

  • Anonymous

    AT&T forgot to mention that those “innovative upstarts” get nothing but outdated crappy phones. How are they going to compete with AT&T with the poor phone selections they have? Not to mention the coverage those small carriers get isn’t that great.

    I know t-mobile doesn’t want us as customers anymore but they could have at least picked someone else besides AT&T who has a history of shady price gouging tactics.

    • Ccrk

      Are u that much of an idiot to think TMO picked ATT to buy them?

    • Ccrk

      Are u that much of an idiot to think TMO picked ATT to buy them?

      • My2Cents

        Well how else is supposed to look at it?  It was a sale approved by DT, so yes they picked AT&T to buy them.  T-mobile is not publicly traded in the US.

      • Anonymous

        are you that much of a moron to realize what I was actually saying?

      • Anonymous

        are you that much of a moron to realize what I was actually saying?

    • Anonymous

      Tmobile didn’t “pick” AT&T to buy them, AT&T offered them the most money, period.  If you were selling your car, and person A offered you 5 thousand dollars because they like the car, and person B offered you 2 thousand because that’s all they can afford, WHO WOULD YOU SELL IT TO?

      • Anonymous

        Yes I know they didn’t pick them. I worded it wrong. I wish they would have not allowed att to buy them. to bad there was no higher bidders

  • Anonymous

    AT&T forgot to mention that those “innovative upstarts” get nothing but outdated crappy phones. How are they going to compete with AT&T with the poor phone selections they have? Not to mention the coverage those small carriers get isn’t that great.

    I know t-mobile doesn’t want us as customers anymore but they could have at least picked someone else besides AT&T who has a history of shady price gouging tactics.

  • Anonymous

    AT&T forgot to mention that those “innovative upstarts” get nothing but outdated crappy phones. How are they going to compete with AT&T with the poor phone selections they have? Not to mention the coverage those small carriers get isn’t that great.

    I know t-mobile doesn’t want us as customers anymore but they could have at least picked someone else besides AT&T who has a history of shady price gouging tactics.

  • IT Guy

    LTE really isn’t necessary at this point for T-Mobile. HSPA+ is fine for the next couple of years. It really won’t come into play (I think) until you start seeing network congestion and LTE’s efficiency starts to shine.

  • IT Guy

    LTE really isn’t necessary at this point for T-Mobile. HSPA+ is fine for the next couple of years. It really won’t come into play (I think) until you start seeing network congestion and LTE’s efficiency starts to shine.

  • IT Guy

    LTE really isn’t necessary at this point for T-Mobile. HSPA+ is fine for the next couple of years. It really won’t come into play (I think) until you start seeing network congestion and LTE’s efficiency starts to shine.

  • ZigZigler

    I think the FBI was wrong in filing this lawsuit.  I think the merger will help AT&T’s coverage issues so I don’t know what the problem is.

    What do you think?

    • Tmobile

      F*** att!! Bunch of cowards.

      • ZigZigler

        What do you mean?  The additional towers will help iPhone users.  Maybe you should get an iPhone too!  It’s a real great phone.

        ______________
        Sent from my iPhone

        • Anonymous

          LOL!

        • My2Cents

          Aren’t Iphone’s toys for little babies?  In fact I thought I saw one in aisle 4 Toys-r-us today!

        • Ronstoppable20

          Negative…

          Iphone=smartphone witgh not so smart user… my opinion, no offense..

      • ZigZigler

        What do you mean?  The additional towers will help iPhone users.  Maybe you should get an iPhone too!  It’s a real great phone.

        ______________
        Sent from my iPhone

    • Tmobile

      F*** att!! Bunch of cowards.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AWWIKW6MNPUHOC4OVSHWUDWAHM Fabio

      AT&T can solve their coverage issues on their own…

  • Voicestream199999

    I like AT&T as do most of their 100 million subscribers.  Funny it’s mostly T-Mobile, Sprint and others who don’t even use AT&T who are most vocally against them.  

    Is it cool to hate AT&T?  Is it cool to pretend that all we do is drop calls and have slow data?  I can tell you that outside the very vocal minority who make these claims most of us have a much better network experience than anything T-Mobile offers and we get coverage practically everywhere.  Can’t say the same for T-Mobile whose customers are used to either seeing GPRS or SOS on their phones display on any given day.  

    • DaveTheMan

      I had AT&T back when it was AT&T Wireless, and they were converting from Blue to Orange billing systems.  I was trying to port a number into AT&T from a small company called Ariel.  What a crappy company they were.  Biggest piece of shit known to man.  Someone cloned my phone, and I had a $4,700 phone bill one month.  After a lot of fighting, I got it to $50.00 and as soon as possible, I ported my number to AT&T.  But they couldn’t port my number for a whole month, and kept complaining about some guy named Siebel who screwed up or something strange so Ariel screwed up again and charged me for another month!

      So I got a home phone for a while, and when things got better, I signed up with this new german company, T-Mobile.  It worked better than Omnipoint, but man, the rates were great. 

      I wish AT&T had the Sidekick XD.  So I’m a bit pissed off about that.

      So I hope AT&T fired Siebel, because that’s just a cop-out excuse now.

    • DaveTheMan

      I had AT&T back when it was AT&T Wireless, and they were converting from Blue to Orange billing systems.  I was trying to port a number into AT&T from a small company called Ariel.  What a crappy company they were.  Biggest piece of shit known to man.  Someone cloned my phone, and I had a $4,700 phone bill one month.  After a lot of fighting, I got it to $50.00 and as soon as possible, I ported my number to AT&T.  But they couldn’t port my number for a whole month, and kept complaining about some guy named Siebel who screwed up or something strange so Ariel screwed up again and charged me for another month!

      So I got a home phone for a while, and when things got better, I signed up with this new german company, T-Mobile.  It worked better than Omnipoint, but man, the rates were great. 

      I wish AT&T had the Sidekick XD.  So I’m a bit pissed off about that.

      So I hope AT&T fired Siebel, because that’s just a cop-out excuse now.

      • Guest

        Funny thing is I had more issues on AT&Junk vs TMO..

    • Anonymous

      How much is your master ATT paying you to post that?!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!!

      • Voicestream199999

        The same amount Sprint pays you to spread FUD.  

        Makes sense if you don’t think about it. 

        • Dominic

          Nobody has to be paid to tell the truth.  Truth is that AT&T has the most dropped calls in every survey done and AT&T is the worst in customer service.  So an AT&T customer pays more for service, has worse customer service, and drops more calls but hey, you have an Iphone.

    • My2Cents

      Just checked my phone.. HTC sensation.  OOOOHH 4 bars 4G baby 4mbps.  let’s look it my brothers phone… oooops Iphone 4 no 3G in San Francisco no less?? ohhh and 757kbps.  FAIL!!!!!

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  • James Devenberg

    The reason that AT&T considers the regional carriers bigger threats (and I think rightly so) is that they are growing and adding subscribers while T-Mobile is losing them.  T-Mobile is in a tough spot.  They can’t price themselves below the regional carriers, so customers truly deciding based on budget will go with a regional virtual network operator (Virgin, Boost, etc.).  And they aren’t really THAT much cheaper than AT&T.  Yes you get less minutes on a comparably priced AT&T plan, but with AT&T you get unlimited mobile to mobile (regardless of network), so you really don’t need the same amount of minutes that you get with T-Mobile.  Honestly if I had unlimited mobile to mobile for all networks, I would use under 100 minutes a month.  Most of my family and friends don’t even have land lines any more.  

    So yes, although they are much smaller than T-Mobile, I contened that, long term, regional carriers (especially if considered together as “one” option) pose a larger threat to AT&T than T-Mobile does.

    • Gavey

      Yep.  And the smaller players like Metro and Cricket are kicking T-Mobile’s butt quarter after quarter in net adds.  T-Mobile can’t compete anymore on either end.  It’s better that AT&T takes over then for T-Mobile to just fall apart into a mess of diverstitures to the small regional players.  

      I’m a T-Mobile Business customer with over 400 lines. I’ll be damned if I get pushed off to Metro PCS.  I’m actually okay with us going over to AT&T.  I can keep my cool T-Mobile rates and get tons more coverage nationwide.  Same price + better coverage = happier employees and happy accounting department.  

      I’ve used Pacific Bell which became Cingular which is now AT&T.  I’ve been happy with my service throughout the years.  The way some of you guys freak out over AT&T IMHO is a bit over dramatic.  Then again internet posters love to be drama queens. 

      • My2Cents

        I’m sure all of the TMO employee’s who are going to to laid off that have families to feed are little drama queens to?  I gonna say it’s ok for them to freak out a bit.

    • Gavey

      Yep.  And the smaller players like Metro and Cricket are kicking T-Mobile’s butt quarter after quarter in net adds.  T-Mobile can’t compete anymore on either end.  It’s better that AT&T takes over then for T-Mobile to just fall apart into a mess of diverstitures to the small regional players.  

      I’m a T-Mobile Business customer with over 400 lines. I’ll be damned if I get pushed off to Metro PCS.  I’m actually okay with us going over to AT&T.  I can keep my cool T-Mobile rates and get tons more coverage nationwide.  Same price + better coverage = happier employees and happy accounting department.  

      I’ve used Pacific Bell which became Cingular which is now AT&T.  I’ve been happy with my service throughout the years.  The way some of you guys freak out over AT&T IMHO is a bit over dramatic.  Then again internet posters love to be drama queens. 

    • Cameron W3st

      The thing almost everyone is forgetting about is the LARGE number of people who have been with Tmobile for a LONG time and have some amazing grandfathered plans…I’ve been with Tmobile since 2004 and right now my bill, with tax comes to $105/month for unlimited anytime minutes, unlimited texts, TRULY unlimited data AND tethering WITH 4G (i’m not throttled or capped because I’ve been there so long) and handset protection replacement…

      I’ve compared this exact same plan to AT&T several times…and it would cost me about $155/month there ($70 for unlimited minutes, $20 for messaging, $5 for protection replacement and $45 for 4G-4GB (not unlimited) and tethering + taxes…maybe that $50 extra doesn’t hurt YOU…but to a ton of working class/middle class people, $50 month is a HUGE difference

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/35HLVJSI34LMH5M274SCGWDZBY mike

    ATT lives in a tunnel. Of course they believe what they shove down your throat!

    • Doesntmatter

      You can choose to believe anything Mike including the junk that Sprint or T-Mobile USA herself shove down your throat.  

      Don’t be another blinded consumer and think only AT&T (a corporation not a person) is telling lies while every other company loves you and is looking out for YOUR personal self interests. 

    • Doesntmatter

      You can choose to believe anything Mike including the junk that Sprint or T-Mobile USA herself shove down your throat.  

      Don’t be another blinded consumer and think only AT&T (a corporation not a person) is telling lies while every other company loves you and is looking out for YOUR personal self interests. 

      • Dominic

        Oh, T-mobile lies too.  Hume had come out in a conference and stated that T-mobile would not be sold but looked to merge with someone else, but then the AT&T deal came about a month and a half later. 

      • Dominic

        Oh, T-mobile lies too.  Hume had come out in a conference and stated that T-mobile would not be sold but looked to merge with someone else, but then the AT&T deal came about a month and a half later. 

  • Mobilicity

    Hi Gavey we should chat.  I’m also a T-Mobile B2B customer and have 275 lines.  My CEO is glad AT&T is taking over.  He’s sick and tired of no service all the time inside building like hotels and resorts that we frequent for meetings and events.  We have a smaller account with AT&T and those phones work everywhere.  

    From everything I’ve read so far it appears everyone is pretty selfish in their reason why they want to block the AT&T buyout.  It’s all about them and their ghetto cheap T-Zones data plan that they’re scared to lose.  They don’t care that a company like DT has a right to get rid of and sell themselves if the entity is not financially rewarding to themselves and their shareholders.  They’re a business and have a fiduciary right to smart investments.  

    There are tons of other options out there for most people.  Go to Verizon, Sprint, Sprint-Nextel, Boost, Cricket, Metro, US Cellular, Tracfone, Net 10 etc if you are that butthurt pver AT&T.  It boggles my mind how AT&T is willing to let us keep our rate plans (much less then their own customers today pay) and get a much larger coverage area at the same time and people are basically spitting at them back in the face over the offer. 

    AT&T is decent.  They may some problems in certain areas but AT&T is investing tons in their network and with T-Mobiie’s infrastructure it will be even further enhanced.  The most immediate benefit will be the combined cell site base and new added rural coverage for T-Mobile subs even it’s on legacy 2G or 3G networks.  Over a couple of years I would not be surprised if AT&T surpasses Verizon in terms of network coverage and quality with all the new cell sites giving a denser coverage area with less holes + much more added capacity for data transmission.  

  • Mobilicity

    Hi Gavey we should chat.  I’m also a T-Mobile B2B customer and have 275 lines.  My CEO is glad AT&T is taking over.  He’s sick and tired of no service all the time inside building like hotels and resorts that we frequent for meetings and events.  We have a smaller account with AT&T and those phones work everywhere.  

    From everything I’ve read so far it appears everyone is pretty selfish in their reason why they want to block the AT&T buyout.  It’s all about them and their ghetto cheap T-Zones data plan that they’re scared to lose.  They don’t care that a company like DT has a right to get rid of and sell themselves if the entity is not financially rewarding to themselves and their shareholders.  They’re a business and have a fiduciary right to smart investments.  

    There are tons of other options out there for most people.  Go to Verizon, Sprint, Sprint-Nextel, Boost, Cricket, Metro, US Cellular, Tracfone, Net 10 etc if you are that butthurt pver AT&T.  It boggles my mind how AT&T is willing to let us keep our rate plans (much less then their own customers today pay) and get a much larger coverage area at the same time and people are basically spitting at them back in the face over the offer. 

    AT&T is decent.  They may some problems in certain areas but AT&T is investing tons in their network and with T-Mobiie’s infrastructure it will be even further enhanced.  The most immediate benefit will be the combined cell site base and new added rural coverage for T-Mobile subs even it’s on legacy 2G or 3G networks.  Over a couple of years I would not be surprised if AT&T surpasses Verizon in terms of network coverage and quality with all the new cell sites giving a denser coverage area with less holes + much more added capacity for data transmission.  

    • 21stNow

      Your comment doesn’t make sense to me. You seem to be upset that T-Mobile customers want to continue to have the choice of doing business with T-Mobile. Yet, you seem to think that AT&T would be a superior company for your employer to do business with.

      Your company has the choice to go to AT&T now. Why does it take the elimination of T-Mobile through a buyout for your company to go to AT&T?

      • 09st

        Contract and ETF’s.  

        The OP said he/she is okay because they can keep their plan when AT&T takes over.  The OP has almost 300 lines not the 1 or 2 lines that you guys bitch about.  

      • 09st

        Contract and ETF’s.  

        The OP said he/she is okay because they can keep their plan when AT&T takes over.  The OP has almost 300 lines not the 1 or 2 lines that you guys bitch about.  

    • Xman0028

      this is my first time to reply to somebody’s post but i am always amazed how some people are complaining and calling other tmobile customers “ghetto” when the fact of the matter anyone who uses the slander ghetto have to have been  or are ghetto themselves…….. if att is so much better for you how come you are with tmobile? wikipedia says “ghetto is a section of a city occupied by a group who live there especially because of social, economic, or legal pressure” so was your company in economical pressure to choose the cheaper tmobile plans?  or was it your business producer that did not do their research before they signed up your company? in case you did not know att plans to do away with some of tmobile’s aws bands wich means you will only get edge speeds from what i hear and if you don’t like that get ready to purchase new att phones and plans ——-anyway that’s my 20 cents lol

    • Replytoignorance

      are you sure you’re talking about the same ATT that everyone else it. I used to work for ATT, and I will tell you that ATT doesnt give a shyte about their customers. We used to be told things like “just give them an adjustment now and as long as they dont have to call back in the next few days to b*tch then thats fine”….. all their customer service cares about is getting you off the phone and preventing you from calling back in the next few days. If you have a problem like network coverage or a broken phone, they dont want to fix it, they want to just get you off the phone any way possible. ATT spends tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars in customer account adjustments because they just throw money at customers. This may sound good, but when you have a problem that needs resolved, and att just gives you twenty bucks to get you to shut up for a few days or so they dont have to listen to you, and then they collect that money back from you on their outrageously high bills while you cant connect to your customers or family …still sound awesome? Why do you think that the cost for service is so high. Cause they poorly invest their money. 

      Not to mention that ATT is laughable about how they say they will bring back jobs to the US. You think people are being selfish because they dont want to spend an arm and a leg to simply be able to have a cell phone. When they are trying to save money to put food on the table, or pay for their kids school, or keep the power on….thats not being selfish, thats being upset about someone trying to cheat you. Not to mention that you say go with cricket or boost or a bunch of other competitors. Do you realize how ignorant you sound. You complain about tmo not being able to keep coverage where you need it, yet you push people to go to a carrier with significantly, and i mean significantly, less coverage than tmo or any other carrier. 

      Seriously. Stop trying to be ATT’s little butt buddy and realize why people are really frustrated with this. 

    • My2Cents

      Trust me, you won’t get to keep your plan.  It will be like any other plan.  Like for instance Qwests “Lifetime” rate plans.  Oops we eliminated that line of service, so “lifetime” means until we change the service plan. 

      Oh you had 3000 pulled minutes, we only offer a 3200 pulled minutes plan, sorry, you’ll have to upgrade to that.  Oh and by the way it’s 25% more than what you are currently paying. 

      Oh and I also love my “ghetto” T-mobile data plan, that consistently get’s twice the speed of At&t’s piece of crap network. 

      Did you also forget about T-mobile’s “selfish” subscribers who complained to the DOJ and FCC, because unlike you as smart consumers they enjoy paying less, for more minutes, more texting, more data, a faster network, and better customer service.  HOW DARE THEY!!

    • My2Cents

      Trust me, you won’t get to keep your plan.  It will be like any other plan.  Like for instance Qwests “Lifetime” rate plans.  Oops we eliminated that line of service, so “lifetime” means until we change the service plan. 

      Oh you had 3000 pulled minutes, we only offer a 3200 pulled minutes plan, sorry, you’ll have to upgrade to that.  Oh and by the way it’s 25% more than what you are currently paying. 

      Oh and I also love my “ghetto” T-mobile data plan, that consistently get’s twice the speed of At&t’s piece of crap network. 

      Did you also forget about T-mobile’s “selfish” subscribers who complained to the DOJ and FCC, because unlike you as smart consumers they enjoy paying less, for more minutes, more texting, more data, a faster network, and better customer service.  HOW DARE THEY!!

      • Postas

        I kept my old Blue plan with Cingular and the new AT&T for almost 7 years.  What are you talking about?

      • Postas

        I kept my old Blue plan with Cingular and the new AT&T for almost 7 years.  What are you talking about?

    • Ronstoppable20

      AT&T has alread said it will not keep T-Mobile cell cites in “duplicate areas”. Better coverage will last weeks, until these sites are removed to store in the vaults of AT&T backholding and unused spectrum..

    • Realcool2000

      Please shut up. Man ur on atts jock like a teenager girl on a justin bieber photoshoot. Cmon dude I guess a lot of things boggle your little mind if u really think att won’t easily find many ways to make previous tmo customers buy new phones and new plans.

      Ghetto cheep huh, u probably end ur nights away from brentwood and beverly hills running back there as fast as possible after getting smacked and punked by 14 year old “Ghetto” kids from the valley….

      If that wasn’t an add campaign in disguise as a post I don’t what passes as paid advertising nowadays. You may as well put the att logo in ur mouth and pretend its a baby bottle. Way to win the jockholding award for 2011…..biznatch.

      Oh hold on…att just called….they said good job but less teeth next time….

    • Anonymous

      I wish I had a “ghetto cheap T-Zones data plan”

      Lets see, 5 gigs of “blazing fast” data (which I don’t use all the way) for 20 bucks as opposed to 2 gigs of “horrendously slow” data for 20. 

      I think I’ll stick with my ghetto cheap plan. I don’t give a damn about coverage outside of Cincy, Ohio because I have 4g here and barely travel so AT&T wanting to buy T-Mo will do nothing for me but raise prices and give me less of what I have. 

      “There are tons of other options out there for most people.  Go to Verizon, Sprint, Sprint-Nextel, Boost, Cricket, Metro, US Cellular, Tracfone, Net 10 etc if you are that butthurt pver AT&T.”

      Maybe you should take your own advice if you are so butthurt over T-Mo’s coverage.

    • http://twitter.com/DestroyerBMX Dave Holland

      How is it ghetto if it runs 3x as fast at ATT data?  Stumped you there on that one didnt I?

      • Prochoice

        T-Zones was designed for dumb phones and old school 2G smartphones of the early 2000′s.  

        You cheap asses go through extremes including changing the phone’s APN (against T-Mobile’s own T&C’s) to use a data plan that is clearly not designed for the heavy data loads used by current day smartphones.  

        You only want T-Mobile to stick around for your own selfish reasons because of some old plans that aren’t even offered to new customers.  

        You don’t fight to keep T-Mobile alive because you wish to preserve competition in in the industry.  Your intentions are selfish as are most people’s intentions on this board and those like it.  

      • Prochoice

        T-Zones was designed for dumb phones and old school 2G smartphones of the early 2000′s.  

        You cheap asses go through extremes including changing the phone’s APN (against T-Mobile’s own T&C’s) to use a data plan that is clearly not designed for the heavy data loads used by current day smartphones.  

        You only want T-Mobile to stick around for your own selfish reasons because of some old plans that aren’t even offered to new customers.  

        You don’t fight to keep T-Mobile alive because you wish to preserve competition in in the industry.  Your intentions are selfish as are most people’s intentions on this board and those like it.  

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WBGMLZQIBDBX2ZKBTPGFUKCW5M mat

          How dare we look out for our own interests. People should not look out for increasing our own utility?  Your post was littered with fallacies of composition.

    • Moitoi

      ATCrap is NOT a ‘decent’ company…just ask anyone from the City of San Antonio where they USED to be Headquartered. Millions upon Millions were paid TO atCrap to Keep them here in SA. The Airport Expansions Alone cost us taxpayers more than $145 Million and STILL they left even with a 20 Year ZERO city AND county Tax Break. All to move from America’s 7th largest city to the 9th. I ENJOY paying $65 Less on T-Mo! atcrap will NEVER, EVER get my company’s business again. Period.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AWWIKW6MNPUHOC4OVSHWUDWAHM Fabio

      Some of the carriers you mentioned, are a MVNO (Mobile Virtual Network Operators). They use the networks of the big four providers, those carriers do not have their own networks. For example, MVNO Tracfone and Net10 both use AT&T’s network. So essentially AT&T dictates what these MVNO companies can and cannot do. They are not competition to AT&T. Another example, Tracfone, locks their sim cards to ONLY work with tracfone handsets, even if you bring an unlocked handset it wouldn’t work with Tracfone. Who decided that rule? I’m sure it was AT&T, to prevent people from bringing their “cool” phone (such as an iPhone) to Tracfone’s low prices. So please just spare us all this nonsense saying that there are other options, because that is not true. Those options are there but they do not have the phones people want because AT&T and Verizon control all handset deals, and do not give a chance to those smaller companies to grow. If T-Mobile wants to sell out, it’s free to do so, but it isn’t free to reduce competition in the United States market. So DOJ is right in blocking this deal. GET OVER IT.

  • Mobilicity

    Hi Gavey we should chat.  I’m also a T-Mobile B2B customer and have 275 lines.  My CEO is glad AT&T is taking over.  He’s sick and tired of no service all the time inside building like hotels and resorts that we frequent for meetings and events.  We have a smaller account with AT&T and those phones work everywhere.  

    From everything I’ve read so far it appears everyone is pretty selfish in their reason why they want to block the AT&T buyout.  It’s all about them and their ghetto cheap T-Zones data plan that they’re scared to lose.  They don’t care that a company like DT has a right to get rid of and sell themselves if the entity is not financially rewarding to themselves and their shareholders.  They’re a business and have a fiduciary right to smart investments.  

    There are tons of other options out there for most people.  Go to Verizon, Sprint, Sprint-Nextel, Boost, Cricket, Metro, US Cellular, Tracfone, Net 10 etc if you are that butthurt pver AT&T.  It boggles my mind how AT&T is willing to let us keep our rate plans (much less then their own customers today pay) and get a much larger coverage area at the same time and people are basically spitting at them back in the face over the offer. 

    AT&T is decent.  They may some problems in certain areas but AT&T is investing tons in their network and with T-Mobiie’s infrastructure it will be even further enhanced.  The most immediate benefit will be the combined cell site base and new added rural coverage for T-Mobile subs even it’s on legacy 2G or 3G networks.  Over a couple of years I would not be surprised if AT&T surpasses Verizon in terms of network coverage and quality with all the new cell sites giving a denser coverage area with less holes + much more added capacity for data transmission.  

  • Guest

    Of course they (ATT) would… IF the buyout does not go through buy June 12, they have to pay T-Mobile $6 Billion worth in assets.  I’m sure this is to protect that…

  • Guest

    Of course they (ATT) would… IF the buyout does not go through buy June 12, they have to pay T-Mobile $6 Billion worth in assets.  I’m sure this is to protect that…

  • J. Williams

    When is gonna be over already? Wow!

  • STRDY

    They are using the Bush Lying Method. Stick to it, no matter how absurd your reasoning becomes. Conviction turns lies into truths.

    • Ronstoppable20

      Ha.. maybe frandall stephenson will choke on a pretzel too..

    • Ronstoppable20

      Ha.. maybe frandall stephenson will choke on a pretzel too..

    • ItsMichaelNotMike

      Exactly.

      For example, AT&T crying wolf over spectrum.  The FCC and DOJ know that AT&T’s arguments are a complete fabrication because there’s plenty of spectrum to service AT&T’s projected user base. After all, there’s a finite number of smartphone users out there, for all the carriers.  I have not heard anyone say that the system can’t handle the projected expansion.

      Another example, AT&T saying the acquisition would create jobs was a total lie. (Everyone is aware that T-Mobile is in the process of firing as many employees as it can, so that by the time the acquisition was approved the “T-Mobile employee problem” would have been eliminated.

      And AT&T was and is not fooling anyone with its (pathetic) PR campaign (see AT&T’s TV commercials airing what seems to be every half hour). The DOJ, FCC and insiders know AT&T’s ulterior motive was to snag T-Mobile’s towers and airwaves, sheetcan the T-Mobile employees, and take out a consumer-friendly (“value pricer”) competitor.  Not a bad days work for $39 billion, petty cash to a company with pockets as deep as AT&T’s.

      I like the DOJ retort, AT&T should put the $39 billion into infrastructure rather than using the money to eliminate a competitor.

  • ItsMichaelNotMike

    Get a load of this. The erroneous headline caused me to re-check court records to see how I missed such a significant event on Friday.

    http://litigationuniverse.com/ErrorHeadlineATTCountersuit.jpg

  • Chapine54

    It seems like we r getting a lot of att trolls in here !!!!!! My words to u I had att when it was Cingular and after it was merged into att I was always getting over charged under serviced dropped calls was a consistency I love tmobile I loved my g1 and I love my htc sensation I live in Vegas and u can’t imagine how much all my co workers that have iPhones on att hate the service they wish they could switch! So don’t come on here and try to judging us for fighting what we love it might be a phone carrier to u but how many carriers offer what tmobile does! Fast data, for me never a dropped call and having money to pay my other bills

    • Omorfi

      Amen! I agree!

    • Omorfi

      Amen! I agree!

  • Nbaprostar2004

    Att is a lies, lies, and lies. There data is slow. In in Mississippi and my gf have att blackberry torch and i have a my touch3g side. My Edge data is faster than here 3g. Att want t mobile because we are fast. 

    • DetroitTechnoFan

      I roamed on AT&T’s EDGE connection back in August… I literally was getting 1 kbps down. Everything timed out. Only a speed test was able to pick it up at all.

  • Anonymous

    That is not Lie man. you are right this time..
     

  • Auser72

    Enough of the bickering!!!!!!!! When are we going to get some news on SGS2 or HTC Ruby or Nexus Prime????

  • Anonymous

    I understand the dojs concern with this buyout regarding competition, but I feel like their argument is somewhat narrowminded. Att and tmo aren’t merging into one company. This isn’t two company combining forces. If that were the case, they’d have every right to want to block this deal and id support that fight. But, this is a smaller failing company selling itself to a larger more powerful company. Tmo is a place holder right now and their quarterly numbers support that. If tmo were gaining subs every quarter, they wouldn’t be up for sale. In my opinion its hard to argue competition here when the company to be bought isn’t competing in terms of growth. Sure, we now know that there are several other companies out there that are interested in buying tmo usa, but for the time being, that doesn’t matter. Dt chose to do business with att first.

    • Dominic

      T-mobile has only had one quarter of losing customers before the deal with AT&T and you should know as an employee the changes that were made in the 4th quarter of 2010 that really disintegrated the company, especially when DT sent their man in.  They were setting it up for a sale and only an idiot would think otherwise.  They made over a billion dollars in profit last year alone.

  • Anonymous

    USCC is barely competitive. They have good coverage where they provide it (mostly) but they still have customers leaving. MetroPCS/CricKet is for the truly poor and stupid, but still don’t even come close to AT&T when the net adds per quarter are counted.

    Not one of these companies is a threat for AT&T. AT&T’s high ass prices attract a different type of customer.

  • Wshelton

    TMO  a placeholder?  Right.  I suggest that you look at appendex 2 of the lawsuit and tell me how at&t will not have marketpower.  This is a hand down winner for the DOJ.

    • Anonymous

      Certain things suggest this should be a guaranteed win for the doj, while other things suggest otherwise. Based on what I’ve read recently, the judge overseeing this case is a no nonsense type of person. The doj must prove with hard evidence why the deal should be blocked based on their arguments…..their argument seemed to be based on speculation as to what would happen if the buyout gets approved. Less competition: sure when u look at the number of major players if tmo gets absorbed there would be less competition, but is tmo really impacting the way att and vzw do business? I don’t think so. Look at comparable rate plans for vzw, att and tmo……I’m not seeing their prices coming down. I will admit that sprint is in the ballpark with tmo in terms of pricing, but they’re a smaller carrier like tmo…..they can’t afford to be expensive like the big two. tmo and att are lucky sprint and verizon aren’t going after this deal in ads in an attempt to lure or scare customers away from both companies……cricket and virgin mobile have gone after them, but that doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things

      • Wshelton

        (1) Anything over 2500HHI & (2) any increase over 200HHI.  Just look at Appendex B and at&t will exceed the index in the top fifty markets except one.  Over 200 is presumed to increase market power and 100 to 200 require scrutiny.  There is only 5 markets in the top 100 (presumed) that do not have an increase over 200, and those 5 fall into the required scrutiny

  • Anonymous

    Omg.. All the ATroll&Trolls on this forum will definitely make me stop reading. Can we do something about this please David? Its ok to have an iPhone or anything else Apple but not on this T-Mo forum thats not even talking about a phone. Its getting ridiculous! Every other comment is someone trolling!

    Kinda annoying if you ask me!

    • Anonymous

      Bye.

    • Anonymous

      Bye.

  • CO_yeti

    Tmo has not been competitive the last 5 years! They haven’t grown in one quarter and continue to lose customers.  The facts are this is why DT wants out. The people that think that if this deal doesn’t go through that Tmo is going to continue to operate as they have been are out of their minds. Gone are the days of Tmo having great customer service and a good/reliable network all while losing money in hopes of gaining customers. The new normal will be rock bottom pricing and reduced quality services… a la the Cricket Plus model.

    • Nancyh23

      I agree with u T-Mobile has not been competative in along time. They need to work on a lot of things including coverage I think its ridiculous my friend on virgin Mobile gets better coverage than I do her crappy optimus v than me on my g2x . We have gone from LA, SAN Fransico, san diego, montana by car and t-mobile had sum effed up coverage on the way to those places in many little towns T-Mobile had no service while virgin mobile did. Don’t get me wrong T-Mobile did work fine once I got to my destination. But on the way there is were I had many problems with coverage were virgin mobile and at&t cuz my boyfriend has att worked fine. I was the only one without service for LONG periods of time while my brother on virgin and my boyfriend on att ALWAYS had service. Good thing they had there phones so they let me borrow them to call my friends and update my fb status cuz I cudnt on T-Mobile cuz I had bo service it really got frustrating after a while this is my first time with T-Mobile so far I had been dissapointed with there terrible coverage I had att before which worked fine man do I regret switching but its a lil too late for me to go back cuz I went over my 30 day trial so I wud have to pay an etf.. so I’m screwed …

    • Nancyh23

      I agree with u T-Mobile has not been competative in along time. They need to work on a lot of things including coverage I think its ridiculous my friend on virgin Mobile gets better coverage than I do her crappy optimus v than me on my g2x . We have gone from LA, SAN Fransico, san diego, montana by car and t-mobile had sum effed up coverage on the way to those places in many little towns T-Mobile had no service while virgin mobile did. Don’t get me wrong T-Mobile did work fine once I got to my destination. But on the way there is were I had many problems with coverage were virgin mobile and at&t cuz my boyfriend has att worked fine. I was the only one without service for LONG periods of time while my brother on virgin and my boyfriend on att ALWAYS had service. Good thing they had there phones so they let me borrow them to call my friends and update my fb status cuz I cudnt on T-Mobile cuz I had bo service it really got frustrating after a while this is my first time with T-Mobile so far I had been dissapointed with there terrible coverage I had att before which worked fine man do I regret switching but its a lil too late for me to go back cuz I went over my 30 day trial so I wud have to pay an etf.. so I’m screwed …

  • Anonymous

    I just got a $829.99 iPad2 for only $103.37 and my mom got a $1499.99 HDTV for only $251.92, they are both coming with USPS tomorrow. I would be an idiot to ever pay full retail prices at places like Walmart or Bestbuy. I sold a 37″ HDTV to my boss for $600 that I only paid $78.24 for. I use http://bit.ly/grab2002 

  • http://twitter.com/DestroyerBMX Dave Holland

    To me, T-Mobile is the best provider of phones out there.  They take good phones and dont put their crap on them like other companies (cough..Verizon).

    • Omorfi

      I agree! I’ve been with them for 11 years…back in the voice stream days when Jamie lee Curtis advertised it. Customer service is the best…and my prices were always right. I always got discounts and they always took care of me…they are worth fighting for their name. If they get the iPhone 5… It’s over! So many people will switch over….

      • Omorfi

        Not to mention that I’ve been using an iPhone for the past 5 years with tmobile and my phone has worked great! Of course there is the hassle of unlocking but I always managed to pull it off. On top of it.. They have iPhone support because they claim 80% of people on their network use the iPhones. They track that by your IMEI. Let’s just get it over with and provide the iPhone with tmobile already!,

    • CM Punk’s Text Message

      Actually, Dave, yes they do.  This is why even when a phone is finished they get the “T-Mobile” makeover before going out.  Such things as My Account, Visual Voicemail, web2go, T-Mobile TV, etc. are added to these phones.  Also why they’re locked and get the T-Mobile branding.

      Still, very nice phones!!!

  • http://twitter.com/DestroyerBMX Dave Holland

    To me, T-Mobile is the best provider of phones out there.  They take good phones and dont put their crap on them like other companies (cough..Verizon).

  • Pig-Leasher

    Why I chose T-Mobile?

    Because there is much less BS Charges like this:

    AT&T Charges $45/month & that will depend on your circumstances. T-Mobile $0;

    Note: This is a type of connection on your device to use and not a SERVICE to charge for it! They just limit it and charge you to remove the limitation of it! WTF!!!

    Here is the proof:
    http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/03/10/iphone-personal-hotspot-att/

    Please stop the slavery by AT&T…

    • ProATT

      T-Mobile charges $20 processing and $20 express shipping charges to do a warranty exchange.  AT&T doesn’t.  T-Mobile charges $36 to change your phone number and forces a new 2 year contract just to change your rate plan.  

      Not sure what smoke made you high? 

      T-Mobile hides all its fees from advertisting but they do exist.  

      • JM

        $20 process fee for warranty if you don’t have PHP and ground shipping is free. $15 to change your phone number. AT&T also renews contract to change plan. What are YOU smoking?

        • bemo

          ATT does not change contract on plan change.  I worked for att up until 3 months ago.

        • bemo

          ATT does not change contract on plan change.  I worked for att up until 3 months ago.

        • CM Punk’s Text Message

          You are wrong…I feel horrible for your customers.

          Then again, it would explain why you no longer work there.

        • CM Punk’s Text Message

          You are wrong…I feel horrible for your customers.

          Then again, it would explain why you no longer work there.

        • bemo

          I worked for the with business sales as well as retail, ATT does NOT change contract for plan changes.  You would be surprised how misinformed people are about other carriers especially ones theyve never had or worked for.

        • Anonymous

          Correct.  

        • bemo

          ATT does not change contract on plan change.  I worked for att up until 3 months ago.

      • JM

        $20 process fee for warranty if you don’t have PHP and ground shipping is free. $15 to change your phone number. AT&T also renews contract to change plan. What are YOU smoking?

      • Pig-Leasher

        But, these are all “Services…”

        They do something, and they deserve to charge for it, that simple.

        Tethering is where you try to use your phone as a modem to get connected to internet. So all you do is connecting your phone to your compute wirelessly!!!
        Is does not sound like a service from the damn AT&T to get charged for it!!!

        It would be just like when they say: you must pay $45 to use your headset using Bluetooth!!! I promise you if using headsets wasn’t required by state Law AT&T would have be charging for it…

        So make sure that you are high enough to understand my key points…

      • CRT24

        Get your facts right……T-Mobile charges 15.00 for a number change and not 36.00 and if you have handset protection with T-Mobile you only pay a 5.00 processing fee with express shipping included. But if you are correct in saying that they don’t charge for these services, which I doubt you are but even if they dont, Att charges almost double for their rate plans and charges you for data overage as well! So please don’t just cherry pick what they don’t charge for to try and make your point because it is FAR more expensive to be an ATT customer than a T-Mobile customer and that is a fact that cannot be disputed. Also T-Mobile charges the same taxes and regulatory fees that every other cell phone provide does and there are no “hidden fees” …….that is simply a flat out lie

        • Anonymous

          T-Mobile has recently added these BS fees.

          Verizon warranty exchanges my phones with free overnight shipping even if I don’t have insurance.  (they are comp’d by the manufacturer)

          Verizon doesn’t charge for number changes.

          Verizon doesn’t force 2 year contracts when changing rate plans.  

          These new BS fees are part of the reason users no longer see much value in T-Mobile USA.  

        • CRT24

          Man you really don’t get it do you????? Verizon also charges almost double for their service as well….its funny how you think charging a processing fee for a warranty exchange is a “BS FEE” and is out of line, but charging twice as much for the same service is ok. In what world does it make sense to pay hundreds and possibly thousands more in some cases to save 20.00 on a processing fee that you may nvere even have to pay in the first place?

        • Anonymous

          No see that is where you are wrong. 

          VZW charges more for much much better service.  You pay for the network.  T-Mobile charges less because they give you less of a network so you get a discount.  

          BS fees are add on fees in an attempt to squeeze more revenue from the user to increase ARPU.  And making customers sign a new 2 year agreement when they want to go up in their rate plan is slimy no matter how you try and spin it. 

          Don’t confuse the MRC with value.  Paying less doesn’t mean you’re getting a better deal.  

        • CRT24

          Really? If I have a T-Mobile and a Verizon phone side by side and I can make calls, send text/picture messages, browse the web, send/receive email, download applications and do whatever the hell else cell phones do, and I can do this at the same speed on both carriers phones then which is the “lesser network” hmm? What, just because Verizon says their network is the best, that makes it so?? Fact is that both Verizon and ATT charge almost double for the same service so once again you choose what’s best for you and if that’s paying double just so you can say “well I am in the best network” then more power to you but that makes you….well, not real smart.

        • CRT24

          Really? If I have a T-Mobile and a Verizon phone side by side and I can make calls, send text/picture messages, browse the web, send/receive email, download applications and do whatever the hell else cell phones do, and I can do this at the same speed on both carriers phones then which is the “lesser network” hmm? What, just because Verizon says their network is the best, that makes it so?? Fact is that both Verizon and ATT charge almost double for the same service so once again you choose what’s best for you and if that’s paying double just so you can say “well I am in the best network” then more power to you but that makes you….well, not real smart.

        • CRT24

          Oh, and by the way we don’t “make” customers do anything. We make them aware if what offers have contract renewals and they choose if they want to do it or not…..and if not then they are free to choose whatever carrier they want. But most see the value in what we offer and the service works for them as well. Verizon also charges 350.00 for a termination fee compared to 200.00 for T-Mobile……I haven’t heard that little nugget mentioned by any of you yet……wonder why?

        • Anonymous

          RIGHT!!!!

      • Omorfi8

        Interesting….. I changed my number with tmobile an they never charged me….hhmmm…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AWWIKW6MNPUHOC4OVSHWUDWAHM Fabio

        Actually AT&T charges $36 for the number change. And when I requested to change my number they did not tell me how much it was, they only said, “your next bill will be a little bit higher due to the number change.” I didn’t ask how much it was because either way I HAD to change the number for personal reasons so price didn’t matter to me. However T-Mobile is the one who charges you $15, not AT&T. Even if T-Mobile hides all those fees, that still doesn’t change the fact that their rate plans ARE much more affordable and reasonable than AT&T’s rates. And it doesn’t change the fact that after the acquisition (IF IT WERE TO HAPPEN) there will only be 3 national wireless carriers. That’s anti-competitive behavior and it violates antitrust law PERIOD. This deal isn’t going to get done SORRY! I don’t understand why AT&T wants this deal so badly… What’s wrong AT&T? Scared of T-Mobile getting the iPhone as your exclusivity with that popular handset is over? Hahahaha pathetic…

      • CM Punk’s Text Message

        Wow, you are seriously retarded.

        $10 to process a warranty exchange for expedited shipping, $10 more for next day delivery.  $15 for a change to your phone number and new 2 year contract for a rate plan.

        Rate plan is universal…You sign a contract, you get a better deal.

        Those shipping charges are very inexpensive in comparison to others.

        And the number change is to slow down vanity numbers.  For a real worry/reason, they’ll usually waive the charge.

        • http://www.mycricket.com CricketDealer

          Nope.  I called, and stopped in the store.  My number was from out of state, and they wanted $15 to change my phone number.

          I will probably port my number out to a $1.50/month VoIP service, put a voicemail box on it, and use a REAL vanity number. 

          I have a number that is so vain, it makes VPs shake their head.  I thought 660-0660 was vain, (it was my last vain number) but crap, how about 600-0700??

          And with the Merger, you can bet that your rates will be GOING UP, just like my number!

        • CM Punk’s Text Message

          Nope?  I already stated it was $15 to change your number…

          And, enjoy your VoIP service…I suppose, lol.

          Finally…The merger is far from complete…far, far, from complete.

      • CM Punk’s Text Message

        Wow, you are seriously retarded.

        $10 to process a warranty exchange for expedited shipping, $10 more for next day delivery.  $15 for a change to your phone number and new 2 year contract for a rate plan.

        Rate plan is universal…You sign a contract, you get a better deal.

        Those shipping charges are very inexpensive in comparison to others.

        And the number change is to slow down vanity numbers.  For a real worry/reason, they’ll usually waive the charge.

      • http://www.mycricket.com CricketDealer

        Uh, I have FlexPay iPhone on T-Mobile, and guess what..?  I  take care of my phone.

        AT&T doesn’t work at my house.  How do I know?  I worked with AT&T engineering and saw the real maps.  Then, I still thought I would give AT&T a try, and well, it doesn’t work.

        So I’ve had a flexpay with unlimited data for about 2 years now, while I wait for T-Mobile to get the iPhone. 

        And I’m happy to say that I will probably be leaving for Sprint in a few months for an iPhone with them if the rumors are true…

        Or I may just plop down another $400 for an iPhone, get it unlocked and take it to Cricket.  That may be the best option actually.  $49 for unlimited data seems good to me.

        Because I take care of my phone (not even a scratch on the back) I have no problem paying that kind of money because through my homeowners insurance, I can get it insured for the full replacement cost.

        But I’ve heard a lot of great things about Cricket, and the service even works in the middle of Kansas where there are a lot of crickets chirping away..

      • http://www.mycricket.com CricketDealer

        Uh, I have FlexPay iPhone on T-Mobile, and guess what..?  I  take care of my phone.

        AT&T doesn’t work at my house.  How do I know?  I worked with AT&T engineering and saw the real maps.  Then, I still thought I would give AT&T a try, and well, it doesn’t work.

        So I’ve had a flexpay with unlimited data for about 2 years now, while I wait for T-Mobile to get the iPhone. 

        And I’m happy to say that I will probably be leaving for Sprint in a few months for an iPhone with them if the rumors are true…

        Or I may just plop down another $400 for an iPhone, get it unlocked and take it to Cricket.  That may be the best option actually.  $49 for unlimited data seems good to me.

        Because I take care of my phone (not even a scratch on the back) I have no problem paying that kind of money because through my homeowners insurance, I can get it insured for the full replacement cost.

        But I’ve heard a lot of great things about Cricket, and the service even works in the middle of Kansas where there are a lot of crickets chirping away..

      • I am tmobile.

        Pro att you lie. I’m a tmobile rep. Number change is 17 dollars warrantry excahnge with no insurance is 20 they overnight your phone tho. Their is no extra charge. If you have insurance on your phone is 5 dollars. Yeah you would have to sign a 2 year contract if you wanted to change your rate plan but that’s only on older rate plans we don’t offer anymore

      • I am tmobile.

        Pro att you lie. I’m a tmobile rep. Number change is 17 dollars warrantry excahnge with no insurance is 20 they overnight your phone tho. Their is no extra charge. If you have insurance on your phone is 5 dollars. Yeah you would have to sign a 2 year contract if you wanted to change your rate plan but that’s only on older rate plans we don’t offer anymore

  • ProChoice

    You mean you want David to further censor these discussions to be pro-fight-the-buyout only.  

    Don’t worry David has erased many pro AT&T comments on this board so it appears.  Just give it a few hours.  

    • http://tmonews.com David

      I’m sorry, but good lucking proving that I have deleted pro or con anything. I delete what is inappropriate…the subject of the deleted post has absolutely no bearing. I give people much more leeway on this blog than they will find elsewhere in the tech blogging community. Please by all means attempt to prove your statement.

    • CM Punk’s Text Message

      Welcome to Tmonews.  This is clearly your first time here.  I’m glad to see you’ve found your way to the comments.  May I suggest learning anything about T-Mobile or AT&T before posting outlandish lies in the comments section.

      Oh, sounds like your mom is back from the store with that family size box of Twinkies.  Now, go enjoy them and kick some @!* in WoW!!!

  • Kris

    Reasons I hope that the merger DOES NOT GO THRU…and I pray that Tmob gets the iPHONE5 cuz if they’re the only ones without it, they will suffer and be relegated to the second tier like MetroPCS etc.
    BASIC UNLIMITED TALK + TEXT
    Tmobile classic plan – 59.99 + taxes/fees (prob another $10)
    Att – 69.99 (talk) +20 (text) = 89.99 + taxes/fees.  THATS THIRTY BUX A MONTH AND NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT DATA….Reason enough to go to Boost or MetroPCS or Walmart for 45-50/monthly.

    THEN ADD 200mb DATA
    Tmobile Classic – 69.99; ATT 89.99 + 15 data for smartphone = 104.99  CrazyStuff!

    Everyone I know has an iPhone but I don’t want to get slammed with charges , esp if I might not use all the features.  I qualify for an upgrade with Tmobile but all the phones they offer me are data phones (I  have an old cheap talk plan) and the reps keep telling me I cannot get a smartphone unless i buy a data plan (even if I want the smartphone just in case I decide 6-8-10 mos. down the road to add data to my plan).  So Im basically stuck until my phone dies or I switch carriers.  

    But I must say Tmob cust service has gone way down the last 2 years (i tmay be worse now because employees fear layoffs..but its been bad for a while now…allt he way from the lowly reps to the corporate office and I ve got a long paper trail of emails and letters to prove it)

  • Kris

    They really need the iPhone to make them more competitive with their prices.  I honestly don’t know  a single soul who uses Tmobile and honestly haven’t for the 5 years that Ive been a customer.  These days, everyone seems to have an iPhone and the ones that are going for value, go with MetroPcs, Boost or Walmart Family Mobile where they get Tmobile service for only $45.  Like with so many things, it seems the middle of the market is getting squeezed so you have the people who will pay a premium for Verizon/ATT and the ones that will go bargain hunting with Boost or MetroPCS.  Tmobile needs a reason to stand out.  Personally I haven’t had problems with their coverage (except that I can’t get it at one of my friends houses) but I know a lot of ATT customers who are always complaining about dropped calls…but those are also the people who have iPhones….Plus my friends in other countries have iPhones too so I feel left out.  But right now I don’t have a need for most of the fancy features and don’t feel like paying the Appletax…BUt I recently got a Mac so I feel like I eventually will get an iPhone to keep it all in the family and all working tog ether seamlessly.  Haven’t read too many great things about Android and don’t want to get confused.

    • Anonymous

      how does the iphone make them stand out though?  That’s really just joining the crowd and being very late to the party. 

      Plus the iphone will come at a much greater expense for Sprint/T-mobile compared to AT&T/Verizon because Apple has all the power.  Even Verizon hesitated for years to do a deal with Apple because they wanted too much (and they are the largest US wireless carrier).

      The other question is…. What will T-mobile USA have to do to pay for an iphone deal? raise data prices?

      • Kris

        Well I don’t know what they have ‘ to give’ but I do know that most people I know have or want or plan to get an iPhone – so if Tmobile had a better deal than ATT or Verizon, people would give Tmob a chance.  Right now, no one I know even thinks of Tmobile…theyre not even on anybody’s radar.  People are always surprised when I say I have T-mobile.  Unless they have something better than the iPhone , they’re going to continue  to lose market share.  Without it, they don’t have anything to stand out, and every analyst or business article I read says Tmob will be left in the dust.  We’ll have to see how the  iPhone affects Sprint.. Ive spoken to a lot of people who would never have even considered Sprint who are willing to give it a chance if they have a better iPhone deal than Verizon&ATT.  As it is, the companies aren’t charging fairly….a text message doesn’t cost 20cents.  You have to have something to stand out – whether its ATT and its rollover minutes or Sprint and unlimited data or Verizon and their LTE.

      • Ali

        Um…Please get your facts straight.

        iPhone brings in more customers just because it’s the only iOS device, and people crave it.  If you don’t believe in the power of the iPhone, just look at the ridiculous expansion AT&T/Cingular went through since getting it.

        Secondly, Verizon pleaded to get the iPhone for years.  AT&T/Cingular just had the exclusivity signed in from the get-go.  This is one thing that showed how smart AT&T was as compared to somebody like T-Mobile (see, Android, T-Mobile, G1)

        Thirdly, probably nothing.  Apple already has an unlocked iPhone that you can buy directly from them that people get and put on a monthly plan.  People are willing to pay $600 just to get an iPhone, so, even if T-Mobile can’t get Apple to give them the phone, (which in and of itself is ridiculous considering the mother company has had the phone for years, now) Apple will not cut off it’s nose by only selling locked iPhones.  And probably ever again.

      • Ali

        Um…Please get your facts straight.

        iPhone brings in more customers just because it’s the only iOS device, and people crave it.  If you don’t believe in the power of the iPhone, just look at the ridiculous expansion AT&T/Cingular went through since getting it.

        Secondly, Verizon pleaded to get the iPhone for years.  AT&T/Cingular just had the exclusivity signed in from the get-go.  This is one thing that showed how smart AT&T was as compared to somebody like T-Mobile (see, Android, T-Mobile, G1)

        Thirdly, probably nothing.  Apple already has an unlocked iPhone that you can buy directly from them that people get and put on a monthly plan.  People are willing to pay $600 just to get an iPhone, so, even if T-Mobile can’t get Apple to give them the phone, (which in and of itself is ridiculous considering the mother company has had the phone for years, now) Apple will not cut off it’s nose by only selling locked iPhones.  And probably ever again.

        • Anonymous

          um… i do have my facts straight

          One major thing you appear to not realize is that Verizon had every opportunity to get the iphone before it went exclusive with AT&T.  Try doing some actual reading on Verizon’s negotiations with Apple and you’ll see there were tremendous problems there.  Largely because of how much Apple wanted for the phone.  

          T-mobile USA will be picking up the iphone entirely on Apple’s terms.  They’re in a much much weaker position than AT&T.  Apple sets very strict, difficult, and very costly terms.  Those costs are always passed onto the customer in the form of some fee or price increase. 

          Look up what AT&T had to do to get the iphone and you’ll see the level of risk they took.  Now AT&T customers are bitching about things like data caps that weren’t there when the iphone launched.

          The general theme on this site from commenters is that the iphone will be some sort of miracle, but i think there will be a heavy cost to the smaller carriers.

        • Ali

          I’m going to put this out there.  When working at Circuit, the manager over there, as well as other managers & “higher ups” told me that although Verizon was running the “there’s a map for that” campaign, they really wanted the iPhone.  The consumer base is all anybody cares about, not the product.

          Your assessment of Apple is also incorrect.  The company is very liberal in the way it is run.  They prefer for their product to be unlocked so they can reach more consumers.  You are right about the terms, everyone feels it.  Trust me, you will get your rights revoked for dropping the price beyond what Apple sets them at, unless it’s an Apple run promo.  That is why people go crazy over $10 off an iPod…

          Data caps have everything to do with AT&T being lazy about their network.  They had the most growth and merged with Cingular, yet they refused to grow out the network at a good speed.  That is part of the reason they want to buy T-Mobile, but, by this point, they could have done what Verizon has done with LTE rollout or, more importantly, upgrading and adding to their spotty and overly-congested network.

          There is no one thing that is a miracle worker.  But you look at AT&T and, before February, they had the iPhone and could basically price gouge it.  For people looking at GSM networks, getting it at a good price with T-Mobile while paying less for the network and getting better customer care is enough to drive a LOT of people there.

          Trust me on this one…In a normal day, you’d be surprised how many people show up, ask for the iPhone, then leave the store when they realize it’s not there.  The iPhone name sells itself, and taking customers away from Verizon & AT&T will be huge.  It’s not the only thing they need…But it will help grow a struggling company, especially if this deal falls through.

          And maybe in the hands of new ownership…

        • Anonymous

          unfortunately, your assessment of apple is entirely incorrect.

          They are very controlling about their product, pricing, branding, etc  If they appear liberal to you, then they’ve done a great job at marketing.

          You state that  “They prefer for their product to be unlocked so they can reach more consumers.” and yet they sign an exclusive deal with AT&T for years.  That’s not a sign of them wanting the phone to be everywhere.

          If they wanted the phone everywhere, they could have made deals with all the carriers at launch.    And of course that didn’t happen.

          By your logic, i’d be able to get the iphone on US cellular, metroPCS, cricket and every other small carrier.  We’ll be lucky to ever see that happen.

          Apple wants the phone everywhere on THEIR OWN terms.  Not the carriers terms.   If anything changes, it’s because the carriers gave in to Apple’s demands.

    • Anonymous

      how does the iphone make them stand out though?  That’s really just joining the crowd and being very late to the party. 

      Plus the iphone will come at a much greater expense for Sprint/T-mobile compared to AT&T/Verizon because Apple has all the power.  Even Verizon hesitated for years to do a deal with Apple because they wanted too much (and they are the largest US wireless carrier).

      The other question is…. What will T-mobile USA have to do to pay for an iphone deal? raise data prices?

  • zps

    AT&T’s nonsense is not to be trusted AT ALL.  The DOJ sees through this bullsh*t easily.  There is a question of T-Mobile’s viability after this debacle is over, however, AT&T’s statements are dreck, and should be disregarded.  The fact is competition will be lessened after this merger, and the DOJ (and the FCC) are rightfully skeptical; however, I pray that AT&T’s big money party will not buy off enough politicians to squeak this awful deal through.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AWWIKW6MNPUHOC4OVSHWUDWAHM Fabio

    This is completely total bulls**t. T-Mobile and AT&T ARE competitors. Always have been and still are! Saying that MetroPCS and Cricket Wireless are a threat to AT&T is completely ridiculous and foolish. MetroPCS and Cricket do not even offer high end handsets like the ones from the big four national carriers. Verizon Wireless, AT&T Mobility, Sprint Nextel, and T-Mobile all offer high end handsets at subsidized prices. MetroPCS only offers prepaid service and their handsets are not that popular as the handsets of the big four and MetroPCS isn’t even a national carrier. And Cricket Wireless? I have never even heard of such company, at least not here in NYC. Why? Because that company doesn’t offer any service in NYC, meaning it’s not a national carrier! Those small companies are NOT a threat to AT&T. However, T-Mobile has definitely been a threat to AT&T, and still is. T-Mobile was the first to do many things that AT&T nor Verizon would ever have done. When Apple wanted to get into the handset business, guess where they went first? Verizon Wireless! And what did Verizon Wireless tell Apple? NO! So what did Apple do next? They go to AT&T. AT&T was desperate to compete with T-Mobile (back when they had the sidekick and was really popular) that AT&T said yes and decided to work with Apple (INNOVATION AS A RESULT OF BEING COMPETITIVE). And guess what? Voila! iPhone was born! If this acquisition were to be allowed, innovation will be killed along with competition, choices, and low prices for consumers! And so will interoperability as AT&T and T-Mobile are the only carries that are GSM and use sim cards. Leaving AT&T with extra spectrum and a monopoly on GSM technology. So do us all a favor AT&T, and just walk away from this circus, as I’m sure that the United States Department of Justice can see right through all this bulls**t. They know you want to eliminate a competitor and increase prices at ANY cost! (39 BILLION DOLLARS)

    • Anonymous

      Actually the smaller competitors brought in more retail net adds than AT&T.  

      See when facts escape us we only preach from emotion other than reality.  

      • CRT24

        What is your basis for comparison for this claim?….ATT had almost 2million net adds in q1 of this year and metro pcs had just over 700k……are you talking about ALL of the smaller carriers combined? If so, what is your point?

      • Anonymous

        But all of those smaller competitors aren’t available everywhere. The only one we have here in Ohio is cricket. Their service is beyond horrible. Once you leave your home, NO SERVICE. Once you get on the highway, NO SERVICE! They also want you to pay MSRP on their bullshit phones and their bills increase each month. Who wants to have that crap?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AWWIKW6MNPUHOC4OVSHWUDWAHM Fabio

        So what? Like i said, this deal is NOT going to happen, there are just too many disadvantages compared to the “benefits” AT&T is preaching it would bring. 4 – 1 = 3 … So sorry and 3 national wireless carriers is the REAL fact here.

      • Nearmsp

        And do you have any data or statistics to present here or are you going to make sweeping statements without any basis? So how much does AT&T gives you per post or do they give you time off to blog? As a regular blogger here I can see 4 paid trolls here including you.