Verizon Claims Fastest 4G Network; How Should T-Mobile Respond?

Well, what do we have here?  It’s another entry into the “4G” war by big red Verizon herself.  The above image, via Twitter, shows that Verizon is ready to tackle the 4G issue and formally enter the 4G war.  This time the ad hits AT&T where Verizon has enjoyed hitting them in the past, their 3G network.  Anyone remember the “There is a map for that” ad campaign?  While T-Mobile has enjoyed the last few weeks of cheap shots at AT&T about their network and its weaknesses, such fighting back against Verizon could be a whole separate issue.

Of course, AT&T isn’t sitting back as they laid claim today to having 80% of their network covered with HSPA+ 14.4 goodness.  However, they have but one device that can even reach those speeds and it’s a data stick so without any devices, AT&T has little to show off.  The same could be said for Verizon, as they have no LTE phones now and likely for some time.  The thing isT-Mobile can’t hurt Verizon on their network with Verizon widely accepted as the strongest competitor in that arena and while T-Mobile has arguably the most “attractive” ad campaign right now, where do they go from here?  The 4G wars are definitely going to heat up as we push right into the holiday season but it’s next year that the fun should really begin.  One thing is for certain.  When the carriers fight, the customer usually wins.

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  • Rcomander

    Customer definitely wins! T-mobile should focus on smaller markets..where the big players aren’t focusing…

    • Seriously!?!?

      Why can’t people just use the provider of their choice, enjoy it, and just stfu about it?

  • Binfartin

    WoW!!! AT&T is getting punched left and right here. Good for them.

  • SaggyBalls

    T-Mobile should respond exactly how you did above, David. By pointing out that neither Verizon nor AT&T even have “4G” phones. I would ride that marketing horse until they actually got “4G” phones. It cracks me up that Verizon and AT&T are still dismissing T-Mobile, the little engine that could, even after ol’ magenta snuck up on the sleeping giants and smacked ’em in their heads with a big “4G” hammer.

    • Fly oh My

      well, when they get their ‘4g’ phone, whats the argument then?

      p.s. i lol’d at your screenname

      • Well AT&T will still only be 14.4 HSPA by the time they get their 4G device we will already be on 42mbps HSPA+ so who really cares? and Verizon is said to get between 5-12mbps on average I think we already do that to some extent.

      • Well AT&T will still only be 14.4 HSPA by the time they get their 4G device we will already be on 42mbps HSPA+ so who really cares? and Verizon is said to get between 5-12mbps on average I think we already do that to some extent.

  • Cnass007

    Shits bout to hit the fan.

  • Cnass007

    Shits bout to hit the fan.

  • Nads

    T-MOBILE should respond by bringing the LG “Star” to their lineup with HSPA+ capabilities and leave the hardware as it is now. Enough said.

  • Eveonline88

    Tmobile should respond with plenty of lulz

  • Kingpin05

    I think T-mo should work on filling in the blank spots on their coverage map, and continue to beef up their device line-up. T-Mo should be fine!!!

  • Sunnychen2000

    Tell you the truth. I am in Boston, which i think is HSPA+ area, but I am not getting the 4G speed from the speed test.

  • Wilma Flintstone

    Tmo should respond with the GSM version of this:
    gsmarena.com/samsung_gingerbread_droid_with_45inch_screen_1080p_video-news-2070.php

  • Wilma Flintstone

    Tmo should respond with the GSM version of this:
    gsmarena.com/samsung_gingerbread_droid_with_45inch_screen_1080p_video-news-2070.php

    • It say HSPA 14.4 oh god I hope that don’t mean AT&T but T-Mobile is the only other HSPA carrier in America so its likely thats ours.

    • It say HSPA 14.4 oh god I hope that don’t mean AT&T but T-Mobile is the only other HSPA carrier in America so its likely thats ours.

    • Tmobilenator

      Hummm that looks fake to me. Some of the app pics look like they were take out from other pics. Also the phone looks like a photoshoped iPhone 4.

  • Not4sakn

    Fastest 4g with no devices to test it. Hmm..

    Theoretical speeds maybe?

  • Not4sakn

    Fastest 4g with no devices to test it. Hmm..

    Theoretical speeds maybe?

  • Anonymous

    They should respond by shutting up and building out their network. Speed doesn’t matter much when the competition is running laps around your coverage.

  • Mtnman

    2011 should be fun, get ready for the 4G Smackdown. My Nefew’s GF works at a Sprint store and durning bowling Sunday she was saying that Sprint is going to sue T-Mobile for saying that they have 4G when in fact they don’t. Weather this is true or not I don’t know, she was telling me of what she heard. But in any advent, seems having 4G service is something that every carrier want’s to tout and get on the bandwagon with.

    Now look for all the “Claims” of “We have the largest/Fastest/Most Relieable/Best 4G Coverage commericals to begin. And of course watch as all of them attack little Tmo, especially AT&T and Verizon. But the two old bulls in the pin will find out they now have a stronger bull to contend with.

    • Danno

      That is too fricken funny…
      How the hell could Sprint sue T-mo for not having a true 4G network when they don’t have one either. lol

      Just goes to show how “gossip” can spur stupid people to talk when they should remain quiet.

      We all know that NONE of the carriers have a true 4G network… and that goes for the LTE being deployed. It will be years before even that will reach true 4G speeds.

    • Danno

      That is too fricken funny…
      How the hell could Sprint sue T-mo for not having a true 4G network when they don’t have one either. lol

      Just goes to show how “gossip” can spur stupid people to talk when they should remain quiet.

      We all know that NONE of the carriers have a true 4G network… and that goes for the LTE being deployed. It will be years before even that will reach true 4G speeds.

    • Eric

      Highly doubt that lawsuit would work. I’m a Tmo Rep and we were told before the ads began the company made sure that they could legally call the HSPA+ network 4G.

      Although it can be argued that HSPA+ is not technically “4G,” neither is Sprint’s WiMax. I remember watching the many Sprint 4G commercials that came out a while back when they barely had WiMax coverage anywhere. At this point Sprint may just be a little jealous they can’t really make claims as the fastest 4G carrier (because HSPA+ can be the same or faster depending on the area) or being the largest 4G carrier.

      But I totally agree that it seems like 4G is going to be the big thing in marketing in the coming months. The more the companies fight, the better our coverage and speeds will get in the long run and we all win!

  • Danno

    Well all I have to say is… PROVE IT!.

    We’ve seen T-mo’s speeds…where are the speed tests to provide Verizon has anything even as fast as Sprint…..

    let the war begin!

  • Danno

    Well all I have to say is… PROVE IT!.

    We’ve seen T-mo’s speeds…where are the speed tests to provide Verizon has anything even as fast as Sprint…..

    let the war begin!

  • Anonymous

    5g!!!!!!!!

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    coming next fall at a tower near you.

  • Anonymous

    For me, price is a little more important than performance. None of the other carriers can come close to T-Mobile’s current deals.

  • JP

    somebody needs to come out and claim to the “worlds” fastest network.

    • Anonymous

      metro pcs …………………………………………………………..

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      JK

  • Shawn

    Verizons will be faster. I’m only getting 1mbps download in minneapolis mn on my mytouch 4g.and yes thee is “4g” here

    • Mike

      same thing with me in Chicago usually i only get 1 mbps,there is no 4G in Chicago

    • Mr.Slide3G

      are u serious dude. Tmob has more then 4Mb per second in some areas :D

    • Not a engineer.

      Your cell site may have not been upgraded to hspa+ yet, but probably is schedualed to be in the near future. I’d stop into a retail store or call customer care and let them know, they probably wont be able to do much about it though. Terrain, distance, weather, voice/data traffic ect. all can play a big part into your data speeds. Hopefully they are planning to fix that for you soon

  • Chris

    I am Verizon fanboy, mainly because I actually still use my Smartphone to call and I love being able to use basically every feature of my phone everywhere at 3G speed and I can’t wait for 4G but I have to say that T-Mobile is my second favorite network because it offers the most BANG for your buck, you get way better coverage with T-Mobile than you do with Metro or Cricket or any of those crap shoots. It doesn’t cost much more than Ghettro or Cricket. And you get the absolute fastest speeds with T-Mobile in Metropolitan areas, which is more than Big Red or the Amazingly Terrible Telecommunications company does. Also I just love to see the other carriers stick it to AT&T because AT&T charges exactly the same as Verizon does, and it offers terrible coverage by comparison.

    • Chris

      GO T-Mobile I am rooting for you!!!

  • Ginadee

    Yep. T-Mobile. Don’t attack Verizon by name or virtue until you upgrade all the GRPS network. They’ll just counter attack you with ads you won’t be able to fight off.

    However keep railing ATT on speeds. Keep mentioning that only T-Mobile has 4G phones.

    Most of all. Accelerate your backhaul deployment nationwide. If LTE is not in the cards over the next 20 months then for God sake make your entire network 21 Mbps HSPA + ready and speed up all metro areas to 42 Mbps next year. Costly yes but you need to invest CAPEX on the foundation of your network that will serve customers for the next 10-15 years.

    Too bad you didn’t buy Qwest when you could to have that Global IP backbone and LD network to use….

  • Juanitas Bean Dip

    Someone mentioned to “beef up” our phone line. We already have to most 4G capable phones. All other carriers only have 1, maybe 2, or zero if your ATT (which has a Laptop Stick). I dont see any laysuits happening since all carriers are bending the rules. If there is a lawsuit, it will be settled out of court and the lawyers will be laughing all the way to the bank.

  • lulz

    Tmo should create an add: tmo to verizon: damn, u got yourself a xxl condom, too bad u cant use it

  • lulz

    Tmo should create an add: tmo to verizon: damn, u got yourself a xxl condom, too bad u cant use it

    • Wewegoinhole

      This is probably the funniest thing I’ve read on here in the time that I’ve been here.

  • MIKEEEEE

    speedtest.net on matching galaxy TABs.

    same device 2 different networks.

    same thing if t-mo gets the iphone.

    same device 2 different networks.

  • c4g

    T-Mobile should make a commercial (Got a 4g network we have a device for that.)

  • c4g

    T-Mobile should make a commercial (Got a 4g network we have a device for that.)

    • David Reyna

      OMG BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

      Pure awesome FTW!!!

  • spidey_geek

    Sounds like retail store store banter We’re gonna sue, Let them—we live in the land of sue-ers..The legal lottery is alive and well in America.

  • Bad T-Mobile

    Really t-mobile should just do what their customers are forced to do, lie down and take it in the rear.

    Bad Service, Bad Products, Bad Choice, That’s t-mobile!

    • Anonymous

      aask J.D. Power about that service, buddy.

      • mike

        i worked at tmobile for years, i quite cause i got fed up with tmobile and all their bs. i work for verizon now, and let me tell you there is a big difference in everything from daily operations are done, to customer service. to get the full story you must work there to experience all the differences Verizon wins in a categories hands down. tmobile must pay jd power off to get that award.

    • Anonymous

      aask J.D. Power about that service, buddy.

    • Mr.Slide3G

      wow are serious. T-Mobile has good customer service and the network is really good. When I said good network it’s talk and data. I just test their network on my android phone through Speedtest app it says almost 4mb per second and I’ve tried other company they not even 1mb how do u like that?- T-mobile is good. I think u made a wrong decision choosing by ur cell device and now u’re upset. Try My Touch 3G Slide thou u wont regret it. One thing is making me upset. It’s the software on it 2.1 instead of 2.2 but it’s all good I know it’s coming out. Peace out.

  • yoo

    im currently with t-moble but im headed to verizon in a couple weeks. t-mobile doesnt have 4g they have hspa+ they need to quit the b.s.

    • Matlock

      Its the same way that one can say Sprint doesnt have 4G either they have Wimax. Your looking too much into the whole 4G thing! all you should really care about is has the fastest speeds, for your specific needs, and I can say that none of my friends that have Sprint Att or VZW can even come close to my data speeds on my G2!

    • Spooln

      No one TECHNICALLY has 4g as it is really defined. However, based on pure speed tests and benchmarks, T-Mo is the closest to 4g over both WiMax and LTE, also, LTE isn’t even really launching till next year. They have very little market spread for their LTE. Also, You need to look at what phones they have that even SUPPORT this new spectrum. So, I think you need to do some more research before you come on here spouting crap you obviously dont really know about.

    • Claragarza

      HSPA+ is a more sustainable and efficient data network than LTE…and both are technically NOT 4G according to technology reports they are just calling it that since it doesn’t sound sexy calling it 3.5G in ads

    • Claragarza

      HSPA+ is a more sustainable and efficient data network than LTE…and both are technically NOT 4G according to technology reports they are just calling it that since it doesn’t sound sexy calling it 3.5G in ads

    • Verizon is b.s’g you too. LTE Advanced is 4g, not LTE

  • Anonymous

    they should do an ad spoofing Jerry McGuire. Show me the phones!

  • Im not to concerned about Verizon, there still the most expensive carrier thats out! Don’t believe me, okay just go compare there pricing plans with Sprint, T-Mobile and AT&T. If I would leave T-Mobile which is my service provider I pay no more then $120.00 for unlimited calling, unlimited web and email, unlimited text and picture messaging, Wifi HotSpot/tethering and equipment insurance. For the same thing with Verizon I would come out the pocket over 150.00. THATS SUCKS

  • TMoFan

    I think it’s great that T-Mobile is being aggressive, but there’s one thing they have that no one else does and that’s VALUE. T-Mobile offers the best deals hands down and they need to start advertising that. Maybe an ad that compares the plans.

    • mike

      best value…. i used to work at tmobile. yes there rate plans are the cheapest but just cause its cheap doesnt mean there is value. i do agree there is value in tmobile but the best, like everything in america you get what you pay for.

  • tmo should show there speeds in on tv using the speed test app and have Carly in it just to make the ad hot

  • tmo should show there speeds in on tv using the speed test app and have Carly in it just to make the ad hot

  • TomCruise

    by first focusing on providing a consistent 3G that works. my network drops back to Edge at the drop of a hat, and I am in center of the 3rd largest city in the USA. It sucks.

  • Sprint did it first :shrug:

    Make 4G 10mbit and 5G 100mbit and force carriers to follow standards from now on out. Problem solved.

    • OneUpDave

      I agree. I’m wondering why the true 4G standard is so far above the current 3G standards. Did they expect carriers to sit on their hands until the right tech came about?

      • Who says we need to have a new “G” every few years? It makes sense for mobile carriers to continue to tweak and refine their existing networks and roll out entirely new technologies every 5 (or more) years.

        • OneUpDave

          Nobody says that, you assumed. I’m just wondering why 4G is such a large leap to 100Mbps. I’m OK with the rest of the proposed specs, but with T-Mobile only approaching half of that theoretical speed next year, It would be quite some time before we’d see a true 4G network. Nobody cares to wait around for that to happen.

        • Maybe it is (or was intended to) drive innovation by setting a high – but attainable goal.

          You could argue that the carriers have short-circuited such an effort by arbitrarily labeling their existing 3G networks “4G” to sell more phones, but I suspect that would not get away with the same shenanigans in Europe.

        • Guest

          2G was defined simply as a digital network as opposed to the orginal analogue networks which were referred to as 1G after 2G technologies were developed. It wasn’t until later versions of GSM and CDMA that data rate were even discussed; GPRS delivered 56 to 115 kbps and 1xRTT delivered 80 to 100 kbps data rates.

          Actual data rate minimums were not even discussed until 3G was being codified and the intent of 2 mbps minimum data rates was declared. This data rate scared the hell out of all of the carriers and there was a great deal of lobbying done to prevent any kind of data rate minimum from being included in the definition of 3G. They even went to the extent to have IMT-2000 include their current fastest networks as being 3G officially, EDGE for GSM and CDMA2000 for CDMA. That’s 236 kbps for GSM networks and 153 kbps for CDMA networks.

          EV-DO Rev.0 was developed to satisfy the 2 mbps goal of IMT-2000 but in practicality no one ever saw more than 700 kbps on EV-DO Rev.0.

          Evolved EDGE was developed to approach the 2 mbps goal of IMT-2000 but only got close to 1 mbps. No networks were ever deployed with Evolved EDGE and instead EDGE networks ran at 236 kbps.

          After the debacle that was 3G, is it any wonder that the standards bodies are taking hard lines on 4G?

        • Dysphoria

          We did. If the number is bigger, it’s better, and marketing appreciates this, because it means you’re more likely to come in. T-Mo made a good company decision in marketing their HSPA+ 21MBPS as 4G. People now know TMo as the other company with a 4G network, and not the company pretending to have the network that’s almost as good as a 4G network. And as noted before, HSPA+ 21 can outperform WiMAX. Not calling a service that runs faster than a system advertised as 4G as something less than 4G is dressing up a performance-grade engine in the frame of a minivan and still expecting it will sell better than a sports car.

  • Ctkm1322

    I have been with tmobile since 2001 and i really like tmobile but i just go the mytouch 4g and i have 4g network in my area and even when i have full bars of service on the hspa+ it only does 1.18 mbps why is that?

    • Imprezaowner27

      Are you sure you have 4G, or are you just saying that because the phone says H?

      I’ve been getting 7- 7.86(max) mb/s in 4G, and considerably less with 3G and edge.

    • pnapoli

      It depends on how busy the cell site is and what type of back haul it has. I know as a consumer this is not your problem but if the cell site is running on T-1’s (like ATT sites do) your data speeds will be slower than if it has a Fiber optic Ethernet data back haul. (Sorry for the techno babble). TMO is still having to upgrade some of their site to Fiber and when that happens your speeds will increase. It is happening fast so be patient.
      also, try toggling Airplane mode on and off. Sometimes this resets the RF chip set and the phone will run faster. Also, don’t just go to Speed test.net. Download the Speed test APP. Their website does not support handsets very well.

    • Dysphoria

      Every place where there’s 3G coverage on the MyTouch says H, because your phone can’t tell the difference between HSDPA and HSPA+ (as they use the same base tech). My suspicion is that you’re in a 3G area when testing your network speeds.

  • make 4g nation wide!

  • Anonymous

    Theoretically, T-mobile is fastest. However, in actual testing with real experience in real devices, LTE exceeds it significantly in both speed and lower latency (for online multiplayer games).
    T-mobile, don’t try to fight Verizon and AT&T, you won’t win against both giants. Stick to fighting AT&T only, it seems to be working so far anyways.

    Edit:
    Also, Verizon has 4g and T-mobile has basically 3.5g, T-mobile can only say 4g-like-speed, instead of actual 4g like Verizon.

    • LTE Advanced or WiMax 2 is only 4g!!! This fact has already been posted. Verizon’s 1st deployment as with Sprint’s 1st Deployment is not “Technically” 4g. Thus, as to why all carriers are claiming to have something that isn’t here yet. Thus, who ever is fastest win’s the battle…. we just accept the smoke screens being stated by all carriers.

  • johnkzin

    Verizon wins on the 4G battle.

    Why?

    Because they’re the only ones actually deploying a 4G network.

    • Sprint 4G Rocks

      Actually, VZ is still talking about 4G. Sprint has deployed it in 62 markets, nationwide and has two 3G/4G phones and a full portfolio of devices including two 3G/4G embedded laptops. Nearly 2 million Sprint 4G customers to date would say, Sprint has deployed…others have not.

      • Anonymous

        LTE 2 and WIMAX 2 are considered 4G. What they have implemented is close but no cigar.

        • Sprint 4G Rocks

          Walt Mossberg from the Wall Street Journal and All Things Digital summed it up when asked about 4G networks. He wrote, “Sprint has a 4G network in scores of cities across the country…” “Verizon has pledged to introduce 4G service in several dozen cities by year-end.”

          Sprint is the leader in 4G with a network up and operating.

        • Edward Mullens

          Neither is 4G, Sprint or Verizon. LTE Advanced or Wimax 2 ONLY.

        • pnapoli

          Walt is an idiot. There are no 4G networks deployed anywhere in the world nor are there devices being manufactured to support them. LTE and Wimax are not 4G. and they are slower then HSPA+. TMO is at 21Mbs right now and they will be 42Mbs by the summer of next year. As far as coverage is concerned, they cover 96 percent of the country and growing. Verizon is @ 98 and ATT is at 97. For T-Mobile thats not too shabby for a company that is less than 12 years old and was built from the ground up. ATT and verizon are over 25 years old and are way behind TMO on the technology front.

        • Even if TMO can squeeze 42MBps out of HSPA that is still less than half what’s required to legitimately be called 4G.

        • Dysphoria

          What would you do on a phone with a connection greater than 42MBps? Seriously, it’s not like everyone and their mother is torrenting off of their phones. Not to mention, if anyone was running 100MBps and actually using it, do you know how quickly they would go through their max data thresholds? Or how quickly servers would be overloaded? Just ask AT&T on that one :-)

          Really, let’s be honest, the speed contest gets to the point of being a ridiculous pissing contest to try to attract customers. If I can access my website from my phone within fifteen seconds of requesting it, life is golden. Show me a legitimate mainstream (3% of smartphone users would do this if they could) need for a 100MBps connection on a phone and I’ll give you the point, but until then, why does it matter that 100MBPS is the official starting point of 4G?

      • Neoprimal

        WiMax /= 4G and what Sprint has isn’t even as fast as what Tmobile currently has or what Verizon is lighting up. Right now Sprint and ATT are the bottom 2 when it comes to data speed.

    • 4G OR NOT TO 4G

      DON’T, DON’T…DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE…not one of the US carriers will have 4G anytime soon to include the Verizon LTE…they are all using variations of 3G networks

    • No they aren’t cause LTE isn’t 4G any more than HSPA+ is, LTE may have more potential in the long run though.

  • Swoosh

    Tmobile needs to look at getting 3g everywhere before worring about 4g. I am sick of this 35k download speed on the gulf coast!

  • Swoosh

    Tmobile needs to look at getting 3g everywhere before worring about 4g. I am sick of this 35k download speed on the gulf coast!

  • Swoosh

    Tmobile needs to look at getting 3g everywhere before worring about 4g. I am sick of this 35k download speed on the gulf coast!

  • Swoosh

    Tmobile needs to look at getting 3g everywhere before worring about 4g. I am sick of this 35k download speed on the gulf coast!

  • Swoosh

    Tmobile needs to look at getting 3g everywhere before worring about 4g. I am sick of this 35k download speed on the gulf coast!

  • Swoosh

    Tmobile needs to look at getting 3g everywhere before worring about 4g. I am sick of this 35k download speed on the gulf coast!

  • davidohio

    verizon is advertising a 4g network (LTE) but has no 4G phones???

  • davidohio

    verizon is advertising a 4g network (LTE) but has no 4G phones???

  • Calijoe73

    T-Mobile should never compare itself to Verizon, T-Mobile has SHIT for coverage, fast or not. I would switch but can’t afford Verizon. As T-Mo begins to cost more the option for moving to a more reliable with freekin coverage every god damn where starts looking better & better. I drove with My Bro who has Verizon to Denver from Cali & I had only data in major cities, only one with HSPA+ & he 3G in the middle of nowhere & everywhere.

  • Joey D

    & oh yeah, 4G just means 4th Generation which could mean anything, they are just saying this our 4th Generation data plan. While we all know that LTE is the real deal. Its what we all hope to see in the future.

    • Philip Napolitano

      Actually Joey, LTE is not officially 4G Either. ITU-R states that 4G is a network that can sustain 1Gb/Sec. None of the current tech can do that. TMO is 21Mbsec and LTE in its current form can only reach 10. So Verizon is lying on two fronts. At least TMO can say that they are faster and at least they have devices that can support it.

      • Actuall the ITU standard says that for mobile applications that 100MBps meets the requirement to be called 4G.

        At least LTE technology (in the form of LTE Advanced) has the potential to be legitimately 4G unlike HSPA+

        • Guest

          The ITU standard calls for a minimum of 100 Mbps at high speed (around 50 miles per hour) and a minnimum of 1 gbps at stationary (less than 5 miles per hour).

          That’s minimum speed, not “speeds up to.”

  • Edward Mullens

    Do you get the feeling that the Europeans are looking over at us with all of this 4G mess and saying “Stupid Americans”? I mean only in this country do we have no regard for international standards, definitions, etc.

  • thaghost

    i have a simple question. is my mt4g supposed to show an h+ when its on 4g or just an h? anyone knows? im in nyc and in every burough and only see an h

    • guest1

      h=4G

      • Superman

        H is just HSPA+ which is still UMTS. It’s like EDGE for GSM. Therefore, technically, T-Mobile doesn’t have 4G!

        • Louisdeluna

          Lol 4g= 4th Gen, but hey w/e makes you feel good..

        • Actually 4G is an official standard now, in order for a service to legitimately cal itself 4G it must support a minimum speed of 100MBps. Of course this means that VZW’s LTE network as well as Sprint’s WiMAX network aren’t 4G either but at least LTE and WiMAX technologies have the theoretical potential of reaching 100MBps while HSPA+ only has a theoretical limit of a bit over 20MBps.

          The “generational” argument doesn’t make sense, does that mean that when TMO starts rolling out LTE either next year or in 2012 they will start calling it “5G” and when they roll out LTE Advanced (which should meet the official definition for 4G) they will call that “6G”?

        • Hardinpharmd

          Okay HSPA+ is projected for next year to double from 21 Mbps to 42 Mbps, and then the year after that its on pace to double yet again to 84 mbps so just cuz it currently maxes out at 21 mbps doesn’t mean it will always cap at that speed!!!

    • Louisdeluna

      ^^ Just take the phone back and get a bb.. :)

  • T-Mo should say they have the “Fastest – Fastest 4G Network!” :-)

  • Anonymous

    I tried the verizon network with the droid 2. I live in Boston suburb. Honest, I wasn’t even getting 600 kbps download. My Nexus One is getting between 2700 kbps and 4200 kbps on the download and around 1300 on the upload. This is a fairly large suburb of Boston and right in the so called meat of the verizon network. T-Mobile has IMO slowly but surely taken over the airwaves. I will never leave T-Mobile with this kind of service. The prices are better then all the other carriers and the customer service is 2nd to none. Thank You T-Mobile.

    • Edward Mullens

      The Droid 2 isn’t on the LTE network and it isn’t an LTE phone for Verizon. So you can’t compare that at all, it’s not a valid comparison in this case. Verizon is just rolling out its LTE network.

      • Dysphoria

        Dunno, I was getting 600kbps on my G1, on 3G in a small city. It’s a little bit of apples to oranges, I’ll agree, but if you’re looking at options available today, it does make the Droid series feel a little sheepish. Also, kudos to HTC for developing three of the four 4G phones available on the market today, eh?

        I understand I’m throwing motorola under the bus a little bit with that, but it’s not like they’ve done much help for tmo, or really, anyone other than verizon in the last two years with their devices.

      • the nexus one isn’t a 4g phone either, tmos network just happens to be stronger where he lives

  • DeathStarKiller

    ppppffffttttt. verizon sucks. crappy phones, crappy network, crappy customer service. way to make another outrageous claim, though. They are DEF the kings of doing that. oh and they are also good at inhaling man-sausage.

    • Makoute

      Say what you want about the network, but you can’t bash their phone selection

  • I’m getting 4,000-6,500 kbps here in Vegas on T-Mobile. Verizon has not come close to that here.

  • Anonymous

    there is a reason they have 95 million subscribers. and what can t-mobile respond about? t-mobile doesn’t have 4G either.

  • I’m not very impressed with any networks’ speed claims. I don’t care if I get 5mbps or 10mbps if I can only use 5GB per month.

    If Verizon introduces tiered speeds (instead of tiered data allowances) at a reasonable price for their LTE service, I will be staying with them for quite a while. Verizon is unlimited data.

    I ditched T-mobile because they fouled up their data plans by reducing the cap to 5GB, and while you still pay a lot for Sprint vs Verizon you do get a bit more. However, Sprint’s 3G data speeds are nearly nonexistent during peak times in Manhattan, NY.

  • djembeman

    Coverage, coverage, coverage! My first cell phone was Verizon in about 1998 and even then I got great coverage, no dropped calls. I went to T-Mobile in about 2004 and I had one bar of service in the middle of Denver, CO and dropped so many calls my phone became useless. In 2006 I went back to Verizon and am planning to stay for a very long time. Streaming Pandora Radio while using Google Maps GPS at the same time without any interuptions when driving from Pueblo to Denver is pretty amazing! I can wait for Verizon to upgrade to 4G because the service is already the best that there is. Android rocks!!!

    • Dutytime

      AHHHH you are incorrect. Verizon is not unlimited Data its caps off at 2GB (two of my friends work at Verizon read the fine print) T-mobile has unlimited Data yes it caps off at 5GB but will allow you to go over with no overage charges its just the data is slowed down. Verizon and 4G? HAHAHHA what the LTE network??? that will only have in stadiums to start off with. Its gonna be great if you live in a Stadium have a 4g phone (which that dont have until FEB) and you also have to pay more for the “4g” speeds and (40-50 got the “4g” data) and if your think about tethering add another 40. And when Verizon gets the Iphone it will destory their network and there LTE is theortical speed of 7.2 which they will NEVER reach due to the saturation. SO hey if you wanna keep it thats great. Also T-Mobile is upgrading to HSPA++ whcih is 42mps Verizon will not be getting that till 2014

      • 73uf31

        if it caps off at 2gb then damn i must be always going way over with out being billed … i average over 2 gb a month

        • maccmill

          Its definitely unlimited, unless youre referring to data cards, in which case there is a 10gb plan.

      • Fisfinders

        …true, and they only cap the upload. @dejembeman, you should give t-mo a chande on their 4g devices, you won’t dissapointed

  • Anonymous

    Verizon your so called 4G network is not the most advanced or fastest in the world. Please don’t misguide the public.

    Bell Canada offers 42mbps and so will TMobile soon enough.. so 10mpbs just doesn’t cut it..

    And to call your self 4G, please provide 100mbps otherwise you don’t meet European or Asian standards that actually do provide this through put. so you can’t say its the most advanced by any stretch of the imagination!

    http://finance.alphatrade.com/story/2010-11-23/CNW/201011230918CANADANWCANADAPR_C6834.html

    Oh yeah .. by 2014… TMob will be over 100Mbps… so is Verizon add subject to legal action?

    • Nick

      You spelled ad wrong dumbass. And no they are not subject to legal action.

  • BEEF

    here are the facts, you hspa loving artards:
    Flexible Spectrum usage possible with LTE: LTE will be the same whether the bandwidth available is 5MHz or 20MHz. Ofcourse the data rate will increase when the BW is increased. With HSPA+ only 5MHz bandwidhts possible. Similalrly with HSPA+ only FDD mode of operation is possible whereas with LTE FDD or TDD mode is possible.
    Spectrum Effeciency: Better spectrum effeciency, by a factor of 2 atleast over HSPA+
    Simpler Architecture: LTE has a much simpler and relatively flat architecture compared to the legacy UMTS network in HSPA+
    Higher Data Rates: LTE gives DL data rates of 144Mbps and UL of 57Mbps. HSPA+ gives 42Mbps in DL and 11Mbps in UL
    Ultra Low Latency: 10ms instead of 50ms for HSPA+
    Short TTI: 0.5ms instead of 2ms for HSPA+

  • Vcoffey

    Great article, thanks. When the carriers make overhyped claims of “FauxG,” it just creates more disillusionment and disappointed customers. Does anybody really get 12 Mbps downloads on their cell phones? Yeah, no. Maybe if you have the right phone, at the right hot spot, with a WiMAX datacard modem, on the right day, for a few seconds until someone next to you tries to download something. AT&T is the only major US carrier not making false claims right now. Good for them!

    • BEEF

      check out engadgets post on their reception and actual user data speeds… they actually saw results of 12mbs DL, but they average is coming to about 10mbs, which btw, is still stellar for mobile speeds.. sprint and tmobile cant even reach past 4mbps on a good day..

    • BEEF

      check out engadgets post on their reception and actual user data speeds… they actually saw results of 12mbs DL, but they average is coming to about 10mbs, which btw, is still stellar for mobile speeds.. sprint and tmobile cant even reach past 4mbps on a good day..

  • Billy

    All these mis-informed claims cracks me up…

    Verizon has 20 Mhz bandwith for all their LTE, and almost all of the 700mhz spectrum as well. Which means the data can be faster and will reach farther than any of the competition. Verizon’s “floor” is literally, other’s “ceiling”.

    Also, smartphone data is not capped, it is unlimited at $29.99, and a 150 mb plan for $15.00, which charges another $15 if you go over.

    Verizon claims speeds of 5 – 12 megs, but in reality, it is capable of being much faster, those speed claims are already considering heavy usage to go with Verizon’s motto : Underpromise, and over deliver.

    I have seen LTE and seen it run at 25 Megs constantly while in Chicago, it is real, and it’s latency is so low that it is literally faster than “real time” being 20 milliseconds before the data initiates. “Real time is 50 ms”.

    Verizon is set to truly dominate all the competition in 2011.

  • Ben

    I dont think VZW is still touting “America’s Fastest 4g”, They are now saying “Most Advanced 4g Network in the World”. Verizon’s LTE has a lot of potential and can me upgraded to go even faster and actually be a REAL 4g network by ITU standards. http://www.ispreview.co.uk/story/2010/11/02/itu-finally-agrees-a-4g-mobile-broadband-definition-and-lte-does-not-qualify.html

  • Ben

    I dont think VZW is still touting “America’s Fastest 4g”, They are now saying “Most Advanced 4g Network in the World”. Verizon’s LTE has a lot of potential and can me upgraded to go even faster and actually be a REAL 4g network by ITU standards. http://www.ispreview.co.uk/story/2010/11/02/itu-finally-agrees-a-4g-mobile-broadband-definition-and-lte-does-not-qualify.html