Sprint Claims To Be Only “True” 4G Network, They Also Have Big Pipes

If Sprint was hoping to steer the conversation back in their direction with this, the latest entrance in the “4G” argument, they should have tried harder.  This video, which offers up a mini-tutorial on how Sprint 4G works as well as some digs at the competition, effectively does neither very well.  All I learned from this video is that Sprint apparently has a larger pipe than everyone else.

Claiming that “other carriers might claim to have a 4G network, but right now Sprint is the only national carrier with a true 4G network,” does little more than ask for a response from the competition.  According to the ITU, not a single carrier in the US currently meets the global standard for an accepted 4G network, T-Mobile included.  So it’s all about marketing then and who can “one up” the competition.  While T-Mobile and Verizon have both come out swinging against AT&T, in the end consumers are only going to be more confused.  Consumer watchdog groups aren’t likely to stand idly by as plenty of voices claim false and misleading advertising and lawsuits are expected to happen even none have been filed.  At one point or another, someone is going to try and let the courts decide what is right and proper here.

In the meantime, the argument should be about who has the fastest network today, not 12 months from now but today.  In that regard, T-Mobile wins hands down. While their 4G marketing continues for the foreseeable future, the competition, especially Verizon, is likely to step up attacks and eventually T-Mobile will be in their crosshairs.  Before that happens, I’ll continue to enjoy using for HD7’s voice and data at the same time.  Can you hear that now?

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  • Farhan

    He used the pipe size analogy. lol.

    Check out 0:47 through 0:50. I don’t think the babe knows what pipe he’s talking about.

    • OneUpDave

      Because it’s a series of tubes; Something we just dump stuff on.

      • remixfa

        maybe she hasnt had her pipe cleaned in a while and got confused.

        i love the data speed they showed.. wow, a whoppin 6mb/s!!! my vibrant gets that sprint, without having to pay extra for it.. and they call that 3g. :) what a weak ass retort. they should stick with the dan hesse commercials, at least those didnt leave you with a dirty “ive just been lied to” feeling.

    • Deff

      Hardly a babe, more like a ripoff of the fat chick from operation: REPO. He didn’t have a BAD way of explaining 4G either…. just wasn’t a very marketable explanation. What are they gonna say? “Here at sprint, we got big pipes…” IMO I like the online commercial from T-mo with that Carly chick on the fast motorcycle and the iPhone dude on the tiny little moped… not the pipe thing. :D

  • Anonymous

    I posted this there and I’ll post this here!That quote/video is wrong. If anything it’s a 1/16th step to 4G. 4G is classified officially as 100mbps. No carrier will ever reach that in quite awhile. Sprint is personally responsible for starting the 4G problems. First, they claimed 4G before it was set, so now to everyone, 4G is 2-6 mbps. The rest of the world is pissed because no one truely has 4G and is angry at marketing. But they should honestly stop complaining. It’s over and done with. Now it’s all about the backhaul, speeds and coverage, not technology. So In essence, T-Mobile and Sprint, and soon verizon are 4G carriers.No one gives a f— about technology, except a small group of people who actually understand this. Consumers think about speed. So honestly, Sprint, you started it. Now get over the fact that everything you’ll do is going to cost so much just to transition to a technology that doesn’t even allow voice and data simultaneously. All to yell “FIRST!!!”It’s nice to have faster speeds, and not pay 10 dollars more.Suck it, Sprint.

    • Anonymous

      Thank you mam or sir.

      • http://tmonews.com tmonews

        I’m David, so sir.

  • trickinit

    What’s with the Sprint banner ad at the top of this page? Ugh..

    • trickinit

      And there’s two more on the side. Pretty ridiculous.

      • http://tmonews.com tmonews

        Again, those ads are served up by Google and they don’t specify this site as a T-Mobile specific site, I can’t get them to do that, nobody can. They serve up wireless ads for a wireless tech blog, sorry!

    • http://tmonews.com tmonews

      Google serves ads based on the topic, obviously in this case wireless and I can’t make them company specific, gotta pay the bills!!

      • Anonymous

        How much do you make off of this site?

        • http://tmonews.com tmonews

          Yeah, I’m not going to answer that one.

        • Anonymous

          Wow that much? maybe I will continue making my site then.

        • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

          about $100 yeah about $100

        • AnonyMouse

          Probably not as much as the “dog” sites like phone dog and droid dog….although I know all these sites are kind joined together….but I used to like those phonedog and droiddog sites before I had to load 50 adds to get the site to load, and had to skip over 100 comments that were from spammers to read the one or two comments they get on the site (if any)

  • Cassie

    I am a Sprint customer, and all I can do is smh. Lol I love Sprint and had T-Mobile for a very long time but…wow. That was weak Lol.

  • David Reyna

    Funny that they didn’t claim to be the fastest. Just that they had big pipes. To bad they’ll never have enough customers to fill those pipes. Sprint CS sucks donkey pipes.

  • alt-mobile

    haha this was beyond stupid. Am I the only one who noticed that the ad just cut off this guy at the end of the ad?

    • YOOivansterr

      They did that to make it seem like he was going to keep on going and going. The slow black out screen is like a person walking away slowly. Lol. That whole ” Pipe ” thing was so corny.

  • Anonymous

    I’m in vegas, I’m a former Clear user. 100 yards from the tower with clear service. 1 bar. I have sprint for my work phone. Explain to me why I have no coverage in my house and I’m using the little thingy to give me the extended coverage I need so when work calls I can answer the call. ALSO clear is not 4g, there is no 4g in america. PEriod…

  • Anonymous

    I’m in vegas, I’m a former Clear user. 100 yards from the tower with clear service. 1 bar. I have sprint for my work phone. Explain to me why I have no coverage in my house and I’m using the little thingy to give me the extended coverage I need so when work calls I can answer the call. ALSO clear is not 4g, there is no 4g in america. PEriod…

  • Anonymous

    I’m in vegas, I’m a former Clear user. 100 yards from the tower with clear service. 1 bar. I have sprint for my work phone. Explain to me why I have no coverage in my house and I’m using the little thingy to give me the extended coverage I need so when work calls I can answer the call. ALSO clear is not 4g, there is no 4g in america. PEriod…

  • David Reyna

    You know you guys keep fighting this “it’s not 4g” stuff, but what’s the big deal? My HSPA+ spanks my WiMax air cards ass and they are fighting to be the fastest. In the end it doesn’t matter if they call it 6g as long as they compete and bring on faster speeds.

    I remember downloading songs from Napster at 4KB/s. Starting a couple of downloads before I go to bed so they would be done in the morning. Now I can download a song in 1 second.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.singer Joseph Singer

    Actually, Sprint’s “pipe” is pretty big. That’s one of the reasons why they can host so many MVNO’s since they do have the spectrum. T-Mobile despite buying a lot of AWS spectrum a couple of years ago is still on the short side as compared to Sprint.

    • David Reyna

      They need the MVNO’s to get a broader customer base and make money. Anyone that has dealt with Spring CS knows what I’m talking about. I hate Sprint but I am a customer since the only way to get unlimited internet in my shop is through a RoadRunner 4G air card.

    • Anonymous

      Such a true statement however. This is why Sprint has a ton of Gov’t Contracts. But That HAS to end soon!

    • Anonymous

      Such a true statement however. This is why Sprint has a ton of Gov’t Contracts. But That HAS to end soon!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Jerkins/100000284847450 Michael Jerkins

    Sprint wins in my book, being that if you are lucky enough to get their 4G service they truly offer unlimited data on it. T Mobile is capped at 5GB with 56k speeds if you go over that.

    • Marshall834

      True, but T-mobile brings you down to EDGE speeds (100-400Kb/sec), not dial-up modem style.

      • Anonymous

        Not even that from what I hear its between 40-70kbps

        • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

          edge is like 40-200 from my experience its low but there 3g is like 500-5000 its very inconsistent but when it is working at full speed its fast

        • Anonymous

          You are correct.. 50kpbs.. just enough for email

      • Anonymous

        Not even that from what I hear its between 40-70kbps

    • TMO-Insider

      be that as it may, only about 2% of t-mobile’s customer base actually go over that 5GB cap.

    • Anonymous

      Maybe one of these days T-Mobile will get it right I mean really there is no reason they went from 10gb to 5gb what? just because not a lot took advantage of the full 10 you gotta punish everyone? why can’t we have unlimited data with no throttle?

    • Anonymous

      I tend to download a lot of videos and music and have jumped that 5GB cap in about two weeks or less. However, even after multiple tests, I have been able to hit about 1.5Mbps down even after the text message of doom till the end of the billing cycle.

      Perhaps the throttling is based on the max speed of the tower you’re hitting since the one by my house hits up to 4.5~5Mbps on my HD2 (perhaps even higher with a HSPA+ phone?). Maybe we’re looking at a percentage cut instead of a hard cap. All I can say is that I’m definitely seeing speeds beyond 1Mbps after the throttling.

    • Anonymous

      I tend to download a lot of videos and music and have jumped that 5GB cap in about two weeks or less. However, even after multiple tests, I have been able to hit about 1.5Mbps down even after the text message of doom till the end of the billing cycle.

      Perhaps the throttling is based on the max speed of the tower you’re hitting since the one by my house hits up to 4.5~5Mbps on my HD2 (perhaps even higher with a HSPA+ phone?). Maybe we’re looking at a percentage cut instead of a hard cap. All I can say is that I’m definitely seeing speeds beyond 1Mbps after the throttling.

      • Anonymous

        T mob enforces the cap after 10Gb… they are nice that way, know this cause I have reached 13GB downloads in the past.

        • Anonymous

          That’s good to know. I’ve been close to 8GB before but have not really seen any slowdown it seems. Yay Tmo.

  • Edward Mullens

    You do realize that all of these corporate heads know very well what the actual definition of 4G is from the ITU, etc right? I don’t really fault this video as much because it’s aimed at a Retail store audience. The reason for all of this typically American disregard of standards and 4G claims back and forth is simply because they know the average American consumer doesn’t know anything. So this video is just telling people how to sell the 4G lies to the dumb American people. And T-Mobile does it too.

  • Edward Mullens

    You do realize that all of these corporate heads know very well what the actual definition of 4G is from the ITU, etc right? I don’t really fault this video as much because it’s aimed at a Retail store audience. The reason for all of this typically American disregard of standards and 4G claims back and forth is simply because they know the average American consumer doesn’t know anything. So this video is just telling people how to sell the 4G lies to the dumb American people. And T-Mobile does it too.

    • Anonymous

      Except the dumb American thing…..The Lies are consistent. I think I’ve said that before…

      ‘As long as all of the carriers are saying that this is a fourth Generation network, the slippery slope fallacy is already been stated’ Noone is saying anything to metro PCS aren’t they?

      • Edward Mullens

        You know what I find interesting. If food or drug products are improperly labeled or claiming to be what they aren’t, the FDA can and sure does remove products from the market and issues fines, etc. But in the wild world of mobile telecom, these companies can get away with completely disregarding international standards. Just goes to prove that the entire government and the FTC are bought and paid for by these 4 wireless companies and their huge treasure troves. Enough to ensure that no scrutiny is brought to bear in anything related to consumers best interests. So they will go on, using limited spectrum divided up amongst them and set prices and policies that they all seem to match with each other. American wireless is a complete mess.

        • Anonymous

          That’s Apples and Oranges. The fallacy is ‘We have 4g’. Will the AVERAGE CONSUMER go to the ITU sites and read about what really makes up 4g, NO. The story, however, is consistent. While us people who do research say ‘This is not 4g’ we make up very little in number when it comes to true phone users. The Lies are so true, and Sprint/CLEAR must remain consistent in their message as well. remember also, their is a premium to pay when one uses wimax, there will be one for the lte layouts as well..

          Here what’s happened. Before T-mobile claimed 4g speads, All carriers that were moving to LTE will announce their 4g network buildout. charge more to the consumer. HOWEVER, whats gonna happen is defection when it comes to using that premium tiered service and consumers will be unhappy with those carriers that do that. That’s where t mobile will get a good amount of new customers from. It’s a good way to play it, keep he lies straight and and consumers will believe…

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GRIFVUHCR7SCF2J4ACDIVSVGJM Hilton T.Y

          Technically, if you count 4G as 4th generation, it’s not a lie. For example Analog >> EDGE >> 3G >> HSPA+. Fourth type of tech, assuming T-mo was on analog to start.

        • AnonyMouse

          Wow, I seriously think you need to take the tin foil off your head and stop watching Jesse Ventura.

          So if they divide spectrum…then how come they all use different spectrums? Wouldnt dividing spectrum mean that they all use the same spectrum? (and yes there are multiple spectrums…its not all just one big thing).

          If the government is in the pocket of the carriers than why is it that one of the biggest reasons that carriers have a hard time expanding is because the government wont give them the ability to. For example: if you live near a military installation, then the military has to release the spectrum for the carrier.

          Not to mention that international standards and national standards are two different things. Sure, the FDA in the US may ban a product because they find problems with it…..but thats policy in the US. Do we ban food products in the US simply because france does so? or because germany does so?
          There are products that fall under FDA regulations that are banned by other countries or by the international FDA equivalent but are not banned in the US.

          Not to mention the FTC isnt what deals with the carriers…FTC deals more with banks and finances…..its the FCC (at least get the agency name right if your going to throw around conspiracy theories….or I might as well say “the FDA and FEMA are bought out by all the banks…thats why they all charge such high overdraft fees” haha)

  • Anonymous

    No it is not real 4G it is just Sprint New 3G network it is faster than the old one thats all you need to know if you are on Sprint or concurring Sprint. No one in the US has real 4G. WIMAX is a 4G bassed technology but it needs to be WIMAX 2 or something inorder to be officially 4G but because no one is using real 4G then I don’t care it only bothers me because they clam it is 4G when it is not.

  • Red

    Totally off topic; but are you going to write a review about your experience with the HD7, David?

    • http://tmonews.com tmonews

      I might, but Andrew wanted to take this review but I might post some overall opinions in the next few days. Overall, the hardware is good, not great but good and I think Windows Phone 7 is great, it’s not awesome or amazing and has plenty of room for improvement but I’m totally digging it and for the first time in a long time, I can see myself using something other than the iPhone for a long time, it’s that good in my book. Once it gets a few updates in the first month or two next year I think it’ll be a real competitor when the second gen hardware drops. Overall, two thumbs up!

  • Anonymous

    T-Mobile is worthless. They will be sold to AT&T some day. “largest 4g network” before i sue them for that claim.

    I have SEVERAL reasons for being mad @ t-mobile, list is too large to state here. been here since 2003 and im gone in january. pink bastards, awaiting the day they sellout to another carrier.

    • J.

      Why are you on here if you don’t even like T-Mobile. I believe this site is called Tmonews.com

      • Devonairetwins

        so Thats why mostly e1 on here is ranting n raving about how good T-Mobile is in comparison to the competion. WOW! great marketing for T-Mobile ways to go. At the end og the day I have had them all. I hadt-Mobile about 9 years ago and it didnt work for me. Bottom floors no signals, dropped calls. I was so dissatisfied that i broke my contract and switched to Nextel which is now Sprint. I can honestly say that I enjoyed Nextel better than Sprint because i also had a Sprint plan before Nextel and it sucked. Thats why i was pissed when they joined forces. I had a lot of problems in the begining but they got it together. Now i can honestly say that I stand by Sprint for now. What the future may hold I dont know. If you have a phone use it and stop helping them advertise cause neither of us arent getting a dime of their profits. if u like the phone company stay if not leave. Its just that simple. Good Day and Much Love.

    • Anonymous

      That’s cute. You think you matter. You also think anyone can sue them for their marketing. Due to the fact that Sprint is marketing themselves as 4G, and basing the argument that the ITU, then the lawsuit is a fail.

      Sad troll is sad. Problem?

    • Anonymous

      If you think you can sue T-MObile for that then I can gladly sue you double for your stupidity and idiocy. Bye bye please let the door hit your butt on the way out hard enough to leave a magenta logo on your butt permanently. Hah! sold to AT&T you mean that crappy excuse for a network who DOESN’T even have their own handset using their HSPA+ network. It would make sense for AT&T to want to have Tmo I mean after all those people have numerous dropped calls I can see why but unfortunately for you T-Mobile is much bigger and could easily buy them out one day and acquire spint. There are actually talks of T-Mo acquiring sprint haha keep your lost dreams in a mental cage please.

    • Bjordan_56

      suck nuts

  • Kendrix_myrealname

    Sprint has a lot or experience in wireless technology and advertising. They need to hop off the bandwagon and continue to keep their cool as they always do

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GRIFVUHCR7SCF2J4ACDIVSVGJM Hilton T.Y

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GRIFVUHCR7SCF2J4ACDIVSVGJM Hilton T.Y

    ManI

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GRIFVUHCR7SCF2J4ACDIVSVGJM Hilton T.Y

    Man

  • Treesrus

    hes from jersey. hes automatically associated with ppl like the situation or snooki and thus his opinion doesnt count

  • Ibn0721

    Sprints 4G sucks t mobiles HSPA+ is so much faster wimax in saint louis at most gets 3MBPS
    That’s why my evo was sold, and I got a mytouch 4G…

  • DeathStarKiller

    hmmmm…. if sprint was the only 4g network, shouldnt they have the fastest speeds? yeah well they do not. kill yourselves, sprint. you get reception in like 10 cities. go away now. u blow.

  • mac212

    Wow! I’ve seen how fast t-mobile hspa+ is and I want to see it on my phone. I have a unlocked iPhone and I am ready for a change, the mytouch 4g.

    If lawsuits come up with t-mobile, they will win for sure because hands down I do believe they have the fastest “4G” network there is. As for Verizon, I don’t think they need to enter into the competition, they are just going to hurt themselves.

    • Edward Mullens

      They might have the fastest 4G network now (which isn’t 4G at all). And actually whether or not they do is debatable to begin with. Current Wimax and HSPA+ are very competitive. What you fail to realize is that this isn’t a static environment. When Verizon and AT&T roll out their LTE networks on their acquired 700 Mhz spectrum, then no longer will T-Mobile have the “fastest 4G network”. Verizon’s LTE is clearly superior to HSPA+.

      • http://twitter.com/chaoscentral John Pisano

        Actually their initial rollout of LTE will be maxxed at around 12-15mbps… and ours is 21mbps… so afaik HSPA+ will be faster than the initial LTE offerings from Verizon and most likely AT&T. As things progress we might see a change, but with T-Mobile ready to expand to 42mbps next year, we will see.

        • Anonymous

          Next year T Mobile is going to offer 42mbps, which is when Verizon’s LTE will roll out. You are correct with this statement… so who is going to offer the fastest speeds… T Mob…

          There is no need to spend money on WiMax or LTE devices, they will be outdated the moment they hit the shelves.

      • Bigpapis34

        and the cycle will go on and on for years….LTE will roll out and be faster that T-Mo and Sprint and than T-MO and Sprint will come out with some other technology after that which will surpass LTE and it will never end

        • AnonyMouse

          Actually the LTE that VZW is rolling out has a lower speed cap than HSPA+ based on the tech. (you can read all this on the ITU sites and other places. ). Current HSPA+ has a much higher theoretical data speed and currently already works faster than any planned LTE or WiMax.

          Not to mention that T-Mobile is already planning LTE-A which is faster than anything out now including HSPA+. So the cycle will go on, but T-Mobile is really coming out of their box and pushing forward. The only real threat here is marketing budget. VZW is more out there in marketing, ATT is more about lying, and Sprint is more about that little kid who throws a tantrum and says “my network is better than yours” and then kicks and screams until his customers say “suuuure it is honey….not go play in the corner while we do grownup stuff”

  • Edward Mullens

    By the way, do you guys realize that with all of your petty inter-carrier bickering, you’re actually playing into these companies hands? They want you to think there’s some huge difference between these companies. They all exist in an anti-competitive collusion based oligopoly. One starts charging for tiered data, they all start charging for tiered data. One starts charging for tethering, they all start charging for tethering. Why? Because they have been allowed to over consolidate, take over limited spectrum, and then have the power to essentially set basic structure similar to each of the other companies. And we have all the sheep on here becoming so emotional about Sprint, or AT&T, or whoever else thinking that there’s some major difference.

    • Eatass

      shut your mouth

      • Edward Mullens

        Oh what an insightful and intelligent comment! Maybe next time I’ll use less words and dumb it down so that you can more easily understand it and be less angry and frustrated? :-)

        • AnonyMouse

          Ed, I bet you also think that space aliens are going to invade your brain and make you do dirty things to your dog?

          Sure, they all take trends and leads after one another. That is where competition comes in. Not your fables “anti-competition”. I know that you allude to price fixing and other illicit and illegal activities, but the truth is that they are all just competing against one another. If there was more price fixing going on you wouldnt see such varied pricing between plans and additional services or exclusivity on phones. Not to mention they are all operating on different tech with different frequencies and different operating costs etc.

          There is some joining, like sharing of networks….but that is very clearly spelled out as roaming and has been around forever. We just no longer get charged for it. Its also a way to fill gaps in the network. Not to mention smaller carriers like walmarts plans, cricket, metro pcs, etc and all others who rent their network from the major carriers. Sure there is some merging here and there but its done for business advantage purposes and not for some global conspiracy.

          I dare you to show proof and not speculation or circumstantial evidence of your broad claims.

        • Edward Mullens

          What is it with simplifying my rather complex points to something understandable that is easily charactering that entices you? I have no doubt that they are all competing against each other. The very definition of an oligopoly is not that there are not multiple companies and not that they don’t compete against each other. The bottom line is that they are all competing against each other in a market with limited spectrum and limited competitors and no regulation and therefore have a greater ability to act as a monopoly. Whether maliciously and meaningfully or not. It is as much a statement on the lack of proper government regulation than it is of anything they are specifically doing.

          Let me ask you something, why do you think for all of their overt loud competition in ads, do they all come together and oppose both net neutrality and common carrier standards? If they are so scared and convinced that they don’t exist in the oligopoly world I have claimed, then they should not fear the same thing that happened to landlines during the Carter era. All we would have to do is put in place regulations that carriers could not restrict equipment on their network or restrict the usage of data. Then, you would have actual competition in hardware, and you would be paying the cell phone providers, whom the PEOPLE have provided spectrum to, for data or voice SERVICE. Now you tell me why they fight that tooth and nail.

        • AnonyMouse

          A few typos are ok, but seriously use some grammar. Most of your beginning paragraph reads like a first grade book report. It sounds like you are just trying to sound smart, when in fact most of what you say is just a vague conspiracy theory. Its like those “we are going to let you see the real Area 51 like no show ever has” kind of TV shows, and then all they do is show you an hour of old clips and then get a fuzzy video shot from a few miles away and act like they just blew the lid off of everything.

          So in your first posting you allude to “anti-competition” but in this recent post you argue that they are competing.

          I get your point. You might think that “using big words frightens us commoners” lol but I know what you are saying.
          You are trying to say that since there are so few major carriers that there is more potential for business corruption. Wait…did I just sum up for little “im going to try and make myself sound all righteous” speech into a simple sentence? yes I did.

          Yes I am hostile, but your posts are seriously a bit cantankerous and trite. I actually see that there is stiffer competition between carriers than you see. There may be only a few carriers, and I never discounted the possibility of defining them in an oligopoly, but you also have to understand that a lot of what they do is also competition with phones. Who has the better phone, the best features, etc…and with phone manufacturers entering the advertising fray you have to include them in competition. Then, considering that international service is a big part, to some people, of service you have to include the small little slice (very little slice) of competition for people who travel alot (not just with domestic carriers, but also with international carriers…domestic carriers have a good amount of cancels because of military deployments, business travelers, etc. People who want to just have their service here cancelled or limited and then use a service in whatever country they are going to)

          Now also consider that the carriers also have extreme outside influences on their pricing and business practices. Apple, Google, Palm, Microsoft and more influence onto them outside the telephone world and onto other worlds like mobile computing. Then you also have the influence of your overhead. Which depends greatly on a lot of things. Do you think it costs the same to install LTE as it does WiMax or as it does HSPA+…..probably not. So you have to compete there.

          All of this is business 101…and some of it even “stupid consumer 101″.

          As for why they oppose or promote net neutrality and other things. There are a thousand little laws and thousand little policies that change, amend, get introduced, etc every single day. The decision of the carriers to promote or oppose certain things does say something about the business and the carrier, but I do not feel it lends itself to believe that corruption is more prevalent in the telecommunications industry than it is in the FDA (as you exclaimed in another posting).

          Sure corruption, business, and politics all go hand in hand. There probably won’t be a time when they don’t. However, I think you are trying to use vague little “what about this, what about that” scare tactics. It reminds me of that south park episode…..”Is our school president killing smurfs?”

          We can all speculate about what kind of business practices that each company is doing, but the truth is speculation will get you only more speculation and often times lead you down a bad path. Instead of speculating on the negative why dont we use logic and reason and rationale and try to actual have a discussion on business practices.

          By the way, the wireless industry is heavily regulated…or have you never read up on wireless laws? Hell, even the means by which you have to verify your account when you call in is actually set by the FCC and not the wireless company. The wireless company can add to the FCC laws, but the majority of it is done by the FCC. You ever wonder why a big portion of the quality scores that customer service agents get for ATT, VZW, Tmobile, Sprint, and the other carriers is based on whether or not they followed compliance? In fact, most carriers will fire service agents for issues following compliance.

          T-Mobile, VZW, ATT,Sprint, and other carriers are actually required by law to submit any and all actions that do not follow compliance (or even hint at not following compliance) to the Secret Service, FBI, FCC, and Corporate Offices as well as other agencies depending on the nature of the infraction…..and before you go say “well thats only if they chose to report it”…I have watched people get fired for not following those rules. People have been taken off the calls, had their managers take over, and that person be walked out right then and there and have their stuff packed up and mailed to them. I have heard store agents, especially, making massive complaints about them getting fired because they did not follow compliance. I remember one store agent who was extremely upset because he got reported.

          Sure there are loopholes in the system, and there will be corruption….but lets not go calling in Jesse Ventura to investigate for his next episode.

        • consumerpro

          anoy i agree

        • somebody

          you guys have way to much time on your hands….

          I want nexus news !

        • AnonyMouse

          Damn straight I do lol

        • somebody

          you guys have way to much time on your hands….

          I want nexus news !

  • DAVEHO

    I ORDERED MY MYTOUCH 4G AND I RECIEVED AN EMPTY BOX LOL. SO I CALLED AND WITH NO PROBLEM AT ALL THEY SENT ME A NEW ONE. I BET AT&T VERIZON OR SPRINT WOULD HAVE GIVEN ME A HARD TIME. THATS WHY I LOVE T-MOBILE…

    • Edward Mullens

      You bet or you know? Have you compared the return/ exchange policies for each of the carriers? Do you know what they each do? Or was that just an emotional assumption?

      • AnonyMouse

        Dave is right. T-Mobile is more willing to accept customers at face value because they can just file a ups claim, and also be able to track the missing phone in case a customer is lying or someone stole it. However ATT and other companies are less willing but are still likely to do the same thing….just with more fuss. …. and yes I do know firsthand.

    • Anonymous

      LOL how do you receive an empty box? lmao!

  • Steve Span

    these idiots said 4G like 100 times and at the end they say, do it all with out wifi, then they show a live video on the epic 4g and its on WIFI not 4g….look at the notification bar….hahahahha…bunch of fuckin clowns

    • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

      haha i saw it at 1:41 sec thats funny so glad i got t-mo i dont even have an hspa+ phone and im still getting like 5down

  • TMO-Insider

    dear sprint, it’s not the size of the boat but the motion in the ocean. ps. the barely english-speaking ghetto girl you recruited from craigslist for this video needs to go.

  • DeathStarKiller

    actually you are right about tmobile possibly buying sprint. I heard that a couple years ago, right around the same time Sprint had to close 400 of their retail stores cuz they’re sales sucked so bad. I honestly dont know a single person who uses Sprint today. Everyone either has verizon, gAyT&T or Tmo. ( THE really poor people have metropcs or u.s. cellular or even (gasp) tracfone). as much as I hate tmobile, there’s no denying they have the best network, best phones, best customer service, which technically makes them the best. maybe not the most subscribers but IMO smaller is better when you’re talking about a cellular network. Its sad when an unlocked iphone runs better on Tmobile than the network it is originally designed for…. think about that. As far a s sprint goes, of course they are going to whine that they are no longer relevant and going out of business. I am guessing they will be gone within 3 years.

  • Bigpapis34

    i personally think T-Mobile getting into this pissing contest with the other carriers over 4G is like kids bickering in a school yard…..its a garbage and bunk move on T-Mobile’s part. For any person out there that thinks anyone has 4G right now needs to be slapped in the face with a rubber hose….the technology is not there yet, if sprint tries to think they have 4G because of Clearwire…uhhh WRONG, clearwire is Wimax which is not 4G standard to any mobile device…it is standard for business to business applications. the technology, frequency/spectrum and equipment on the towers is not available for that type of speed and latency (packet loss) to any mobile device…probably another year or so away

  • Bratty

    Is it just me or does it seem like there are more “experts” on the new site now? Oh and more whiners? With all the Mensa folks here, I am amazed that no one at TMo or Sprint has looked on this board to find their new CMO, CTO or CEO.

  • SladeNoctis

    I dont get why so many people say tmo supposely 4g is faster yet overall most people i know and people online including phone jorunalist havent got the high scores tmo claimed. We still see 3g speeds that even the vibrant can produce. And all this talk of lte, for god sakes if you havent used lte on a lte phone dont claim its going to be the fastests, until we see valid numbers from consumers themselves carriers claims of 4g are a bunch of crap. And sorry to admit aleast sprint has a network thats connected to 4g. That doesnt mean there wiimax is 4g but it can change into wiimax2 which can be easily be called 4g since its considered as true 4g. The only thing that pisses me off is that tmo claims it has 4g but when they finally have true 4g what there going to call it 5G hspa max network.

    • AnonyMouse

      um, have you been living in a parallel universe? Sprint doesnt have true 4G, and Wimax2 isnt scheduled for a couple more year…when tmobile is scheduled to unveil LTE-A.

      And what do you mean by “at least sprint has a network that connected to 4G”? Thats complete nonsense. They do not have a network on 4G right now.

      As far as people showing speed tests. Feel free to wander over to the wall street journal, new york times, phone dog, droid dog, here at tmonews, facebook pages, engadget, gizmodo, youtube and all the others out there for a million actual screen shots and videos of real speed tests.

      Please, do your research before trying to be an ‘expert’

      • SladeNoctis

        You failed to argue against me. Like you quoted “at least sprint has a network that connected to 4G”, that means there network actually leads to 4G since the successor of WiiMax is WiiMax2 while Tmobile just has a updated version for there 3G. And if you actually did research most of the sites you mentions are disappointed of Tmobile so called 4G especially the Dog sites(DroidDog, PhoneDog). I even stated “That doesnt mean there wiimax is 4g”, so i don’t get you response its like you wrote down a reply that was trying to find out what i was saying. Btw what would they call there LTE-A, 5G? I actually like Tmo since i had a G1 but there latest attempt to get to the 4G business is rather a poor cheap tactic to lie to the consumer. Since the LTE-A most likely need new set of phones to work with it while WiiMax2 is capable with current WiiMax phones. So do you understand Sprint can pull off the so called 4G move since there phones can support the true 4G later in the years while Tmobile has to come up with another lie that may lead them into a situation that may lead to some bad rep.

        • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

          or they can just say we have double 4g or something like that or stay connected with the lagest 4g hspa+ and lte network

        • Edward Mullens

          Look the bottom line is that Sprint is claiming to be 4G is also NOT 4G as far as the standards go. Period, end of story. And they are advertising it with clear lies as 4g. Whether or not T-Mobile is doing the same is irrelevant in the basic point.

        • SladeNoctis

          How is it irrelevant if this is a Tmobile news site speaking about Sprint lies yet clearly Tmobile is pulling the same thing but worst. Atleast Sprint can make there current “4G” phone actually work on true 4G later on the years with WiiMax2. While Tmobile current “4G” phones are brought by consumers that aren’t really receiving 4G. While Sprint and Tmobile is doing the same move, Tmobile is clearly ripping off the current “4G” consumers with phones that wouldn’t be compatible with any future 4G networks. Plus they claim to have theoretically have 14mbps speeds yet most consumers are receiving about the same scores a 3G phone would have. And while there are so called screenshots proof, most videos of test being done on Tmobile “4G” phone don’t even pass the 3G benchmarks. And the thing is funny is that, yet this site bashes Sprint for lying but yet you all know that Tmobile is pulling the same thing with no guarantee of true 4G support. I’m a Tmobile User(went prepaid) and Sprint user but i’m tired of waiting for a phone (that i hope G2 was) to have true 4G and high spec with a keyboard. I have a Epic 4G and i know WiiMax2 is capable with it but i rather have carriers actually pushing out true advanced 4G networks instead of so called “4G” we have now.

        • Edward Mullens

          So you’re aptly stating that they’re all liars. Well in that point, we agree.

        • SladeNoctis

          Yea, basically.

        • Edward Mullens

          Look the bottom line is that Sprint is claiming to be 4G is also NOT 4G as far as the standards go. Period, end of story. And they are advertising it with clear lies as 4g. Whether or not T-Mobile is doing the same is irrelevant in the basic point.

        • AnonyMouse

          Just saying “you failed” doesnt make it so lol

        • SladeNoctis

          You previous comment made no point. First you said WiiMax2 isn’t scheduled until LTE-A which is obivious. Then you said that sprint is not connected to 4G since its not 4G now. Duh.. Right after i said its connected to 4G i said that doesn’t mean WiiMax is 4g but its capable of 4G because of WiiMax2. Thats how its connected to 4G. Because the transition for WiiMax2 won’t be a hassle like LTE for T-mobile since WiiMax2 is considered a cheaper upgrade that works with devices that have WiiMax. While Tmobile has to go through the whole process of installing new towers for LTE. Think of it this way, just how HSPA+ is a upgrade to HSPA, WiiMax2 is a upgrade to WiiMax. The difference is WiiMax actually upgrades to 4G not upgraded version of 3G. HSPA+ is not connected to 4G at all besides it being called 4G by Tmobile and the rest of the people that fell into the lie. But at the end both companies are liars and true “4G” is supposedly coming from Verizon and AT&T.

    • Anonymous

      So because wimax, a non 4g technology has the ability to change into a 4g standard makes it connected to 4g? that is a load of shiit. Fact of the matter is wiimax is NOT 4g, it doesn’t matter if it can change or not the argument is about the now not future because just because wiimax 2 will be available doesn’t mean sprint will take that route and further more Sprint has NO 4g towers of their own they borrow their towers from Clearwire. Sprint as far as I’m concerned, doesn’t have their own 4G network why the hell do you think sprint makes you pay $10 extra a month for use? so with that said sprint is irrelevant. As well there currently is no such technical standard noted as 5G. What you think just because a network upgrades the towers they gotta call it something new?

      • SladeNoctis

        You do know Sprint owns a part of Clearwire right? So its paying for so called 4G network. Which is why they charge the consumers. Wait why would Sprint not take the route to WiiMax2 there the only provider in U.S. with WiiMax besides clearwire. It would be a completely stupid move not to go to WiiMax2 especially if you have phones and upcoming phones that are capable with it. Plus WiiMax2 will be cheaper to install towers and upgrade instead of the next version of LTE. And how is LTE consider a upgrade to towers, you have to build towers to support it. HSPA+ is not an upgrade either, T-mobile had to make towers to have HSPA+ in the first place. The reason why i said 5G is because the current HSPA+ network isn’t 4G yet its considered 4G by Tmo, yet when they finally release true 4G (LTE)what are they going to call it. See i understand if this was a neutral site but its a Tmo site so i have to state the obivous. Both Sprint and Tmobile are lieing but sprint is able to pull it off with a slick upgrade while tmo has to lie again with some other stunt.

        • AnonyMouse

          You really think that T-Mobile has to build whole new towers to make HSPA+. Wow, you really dont research engineering much do you. In fact, when T-Mobile installed their 3G they actually were preparing for HSPA+ and installed a majority of the HSPA+ equipment ahead of time, so that when they decided to ‘switch on’ HSPA+ it would not take much more effort.

        • SladeNoctis

          So you telling me that when they first release 3G they had HSPA+ already onboard? Wheres the proof? I may be wrong about the installation of HSPA+ towers(made a mistake stated before it was updated version on another post) but i’m telling the truth about LTE. What do you think Tmobile will do when they release LTE? They already have so called 4G with HSPA+ what are they going call it when they have the real deal? 4G+?

        • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

          there going to call it t-mobile new 4g network and say u have the best of both 4g worlds t-mobile Americas largest hspa+ lte 4g network and hspa+ phones just have an h to show u have hspa and hspa+ and there 3g phone have well a 3g so when they get lte it will have an h for hapa+ and 4g for there lte they didnt completely dig them self in a hole

        • http://twitter.com/FR35HM1NDZ Jamille Browne

          Like I said why on earth would they have to refer to any G term? If anything they could just call it what it is LTE Advanced if they go that route.

        • http://twitter.com/FR35HM1NDZ Jamille Browne

          Like I said why on earth would they have to refer to any G term? If anything they could just call it what it is LTE Advanced if they go that route.

        • AnonyMouse

          Yes I am telling you that when they installed 3G they were also starting on getting HSPA+ installed. They were planning ahead. They intentionally waited to roll out 3G, partially cause they wanted to merge some of the work with HSPA+. HSPA+ was not fully installed when they installed 3G but it was like they were getting all the parts in place, they just had to plug them in and flip the switch lol

        • SladeNoctis

          OK lets say they planned ahead let say since 2000.(Sounds like they planned a doomday device with so much wait) lol. I still want to know what are they going to call LTE. They could slip it through and say another 4G but people are going to notice the difference from HSPA+ and LTE(if the speeds are true). They better allow people to have early upgrades for HSPA+ customers if they want to pull off LTE phones.

        • AnonyMouse

          Well lets just assume for a second that there is any need in the first place to name it something new. If they planned ahead with HSPA+ and already planning ahead with LTE-A don’t you think they have planned ahead with phones and other things too? You act like changing tech is going to be the death of the company.

        • Guesty

          T-Mobile should focus on getting basic EDGE to more places before they start all this new stuff, I had to switch to AT&T cause their service is so bad, actually can’t even get a signal with T-Mobile.

        • http://twitter.com/FR35HM1NDZ Jamille Browne

          Sure sprint owns part of clearwire, but the “4G” towers are still clearwire’s towers and not sprints own. Saying sprint owns part of clearwire doesn’t deter from the fact that they still use clearwire towers for “4G” and not their own. Fact of the matter is NOBODY is 4G by ITU standards of which are the only standards that matter in this argument. All this “WiMax and LTE is upgradeable so its ok for them to claim 4G even though they aren’t” is just non-sense and irrelevent. Why wouldn’t they go to Wimax 2? Plans change and new technology gets introduced that is better, its not law for them to go to wimax 2 just because they have wimax. T-Mobile doesn’t have to call it anything other than LTE Advanced if they go that route, but from word of mouth T-Mobile plans to push HSPA+ all the way to its 168mbps maximum of that is rumour but that is still going to be much higher top than wimax 2 because from what I read wimax 2 is topped at 128mbps and LTE advanced is no different. So what if sprint could be slick to people with an upgrade? Does not deter from the fact that they are trying to still trick customers as well as other carriers and it doesn’t make sprint better although from the sounds of it that is your belief. Sprint could get their own 4G network instead of borrowing clearwires.

  • skittles

    Okay, here’s an argument for sprint. Their coverage. It’s a disgrace. A horrible bloody disgrace. They can brag about their so called “4G” network all they want, but what’s it worth (whether it’s fast or not) if it doesn’t work anywhere other than metropolitan areas??!

  • skittles

    Okay, here’s an argument for sprint. Their coverage. It’s a disgrace. A horrible bloody disgrace. They can brag about their so called “4G” network all they want, but what’s it worth (whether it’s fast or not) if it doesn’t work anywhere other than metropolitan areas??!

  • http://twitter.com/mrjlwilliams J. Williams

    The reason they have to keep this type of hype going, is so people can buy their services. What it be like with no one bragging; fighting over whose the best; who is the fastest; or just anything to compare? Its not that they are bickering, they are trying to gain customers…which is what its all about. Did some of your forget?

  • AnonyMouse

    Hilton, keep in mind that those two discounts you refer to WILL NOT STACK. Sure some sales agent said they would but I used to have two discounts two when I was with sprint, and for any carrier out there, even sprint, you can only have one type of discount on there at a time…so you have to pick one. Not to mention that sprint will charge you to have a “4g” phone, so that defeats the discount. Not to mention, also, that even with the discount you will still be paying more for your service than you would with T-Mobile

    You should also ask T-Mobile about those discounts. They probably do them as well. Not to mention that if you have a friend or something that gets a tmobile discount….just add them as a user on your account and you can get their discount. The person who gets the discount no longer has to be the account holder (like with some other carriers).

    So go try out sprint…just remember what your buyers remorse period is and we will see you back here then.

  • AnonyMouse

    Not necessarily in reference just to this article, but I find it funny how people think that the “pipes” are all there is. As if having a lot of bandwidth = a lot of data speed. It is just a small portion of it. Unless you have the ability to transmit data through that pipe then it is worthless. Its like a small town with 300 people having a ten lane highway. Sure you have a lot of room, but a traffic is definitely going to be light.

    Lets start getting some real tech talk here. Sure bandwidth is very important…but if bandwidth=data speeds than there wouldnt be any fluctuating DL/UL speed except for the occasional network issue.

    • Patrick

      THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The size of their “pipe” is such a small portion. There are soooo many other factors….how much info will be pushed…how many ppl will be using it…..how far away from the tower that you are…..all of that comes into play. With Sprint using an 802.xx standard for their 4G….I actually wonder what the range is for a single tower. Wifi doesn’t stretch NEARLY as far as a standard cellular signal. Plus with wi-fi it SEEMS(i don’t know for sure but it seems like) it’d be more like to get bogged down pretty easy. I dont know….Sprints 4G network hasn’t been tested really…..so we’ll see what happens when it’s actually put to the test. Plus…..if you’re not on their 4g….you can’t tether. Sprint no longer offers a tethering plan if you’re not using a 4g phone…which is limited to the Epic and Evo. Sucks to be a a Sprint customer.

  • AnonyMouse

    I think that whoever gets the first real 4G tech should come out with a commercial showing pizza delivery people. The non-true-4G people should have a nasty looking pizza delivery guy delivering a pizza that uses “fake cheese” like cheese wiz, that represents the fake 4G mimicry, and the true 4G company should having a hot pizza delivery chick or something delivering a great looking loaded supreme pizza, with the catchphrase along the lines of “theres no substitution for the real thing. Bringing you the nations first true 4G network with 100mbps speeds”.

    • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

      thats cleaver but what if they have the real pizza get there faster and have it show up in a nice car like a camaro and have the other late and have him show up in an ugly car and then ask if i still have to pay for that or do like a nascar like thing and have a 4g race car and have an old car with turbo and say just cuz u call it 4g doesnt make it 4g and when the race starts have the engine stall in the old car

  • RockHead

    All I know is, my wireless data speed just quadrupled today. Never saw anything over 1mbps down, today I saw 4 mbps down on my Vibrant. I don’t give a rat’s @ss if it’s “true” 4G or not, I just want SPEED!

    • Anonymous

      That is how mine turned on as well, one day average 1mb download speed to between 3.2 to over 5.5 and every day iit is faster. Those speeds are on my Nexus One. Love it. What a thrill those speeds are.
      T-Mobile rocks.
      THANK YOU T-MOBILE.

      • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

        according to the t-mobile map on there web site i dont have it yet but im still getting hspa+ speed maybe amityville is close enough to nyc to not be concerted long island even though im like 40 mins away from queens lol but im getting like 5 down so cool and if it isnt on yet i cant wait to see what its like on!!

  • Rob Sleezy

    Sprint is still in business? lol

  • Griffith

    that guy is smoking pipes thinking that sprint is fast

  • 30014

    I get between 4 and 6 Mbps on my g2 and on occasion I’ll hit just over 8Mbps. In Atlanta tmobile’s hspa+ network is twice the size of sprints wimax network. That and having to pay to use their wimax network make sprint irrelevant to me.

    • irkedByEmAll

      yep 10 bucks for a service you can use but have to plug up your phone every 2 hours because the carriers and OEM are so detached that battery optimization continues to flounder in the sea while big specs and “being first” get a ride on the yacht to the shore, Absolute bullshit!

  • Supaspydaman

    Where was that speed test they promised any way
    I’d love to see that!

  • Nate

    Notice how that douche was connected to Wifi at the end? Then went on to say that you dont need wifi to watching anything. Sprint, Im glad I left you long ago

  • Anonymous

    Well Michael you are full of crap, Just had my HSPA+ turned on (suburb of Boston) I am getting from between 3200 to 5700 kbps on download and 1400 on upload. Every day the limits keep getting higher. That is on my Nexus One. That is fast and it gets faster. Call it what you want, I just call it kick ass speed.
    THANK YOU T-MOBILE.

  • Anonymous

    Well Michael you are full of crap, Just had my HSPA+ turned on (suburb of Boston) I am getting from between 3200 to 5700 kbps on download and 1400 on upload. Every day the limits keep getting higher. That is on my Nexus One. That is fast and it gets faster. Call it what you want, I just call it kick ass speed.
    THANK YOU T-MOBILE.

    • curious

      How’s your battery holding up? Any worse with the increased speed?

      • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

        i dont see any changes in battery and if anything its gotten better because i stopped using optimum wifi as my internet so i turn of my wifi when im out of my house i still use wifi in my house because well im not getting 25 down over hspa+ lol

  • http://www.txtimpact.com mobile marketing

    Lots of comments maid everyday about the biggest discussion topic 4G network capacity and technology. I still believe that none of them is providing actual 4G speed in the US.

  • http://www.txtimpact.com mobile marketing

    Lots of comments maid everyday about the biggest discussion topic 4G network capacity and technology. I still believe that none of them is providing actual 4G speed in the US.

  • http://twitter.com/mrjlwilliams J. Williams

    Ya know. One thing people forget at times, is that even though people keep saying its ’4G’…these are still speeds that we have never seen before. Just enjoy it, remember the turtle did win. (wink) :-)

    • PaperBoi

      This isn’t about fast speeds, it’s about the influence that the use of “4G” in marketing can cause on the uneducated public. It’s bullsh*t and SHOULD be address by the FCC and FTC in federal court. False advertising is a crime with attributive to the aspects of fraud, punishble under the FTC Act. Sprint does not publicly advertise the speeds and attributes that would make WiMax a 4G service, but they explicitly assimilate WiMax with 4G un-accompanied by supporting stats to prove validity, adding undeserved appearance of providing the true advantage that 4G provides. It’s not much better than HSPA+, in an many case, not at all. When you split the spectrum as thin as Sprint is doing, you’re not going to get much better performance the 3.0G tech. Verizon is taking a good step in the right direction by splitting it’s spectrum in 10Mhz slices, but LTE is not 4G in any way either.

      • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

        4g right now just means faster then 3g i dont thing that going to court is a good idea nor do i think its going to happen