T-Mobile Binge On adds YouTube and more as some changes are made for video providers

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Today’s a big day for T-Mobile and Binge On, as more services are being added to the free streaming portion of Binge On, and there’s one in particular that’s a major add.

YouTube is now included with free Binge On streaming, meaning that you can watch all of the videos on Google’s popular video streaming service (including John Legere’s announcement below) without touching your high-speed data allotment. YouTube has been critical of Binge On in the past, saying that “Reducing data charges can be good for users, but it doesn’t justify throttling all video services, especially without user consent.” T-Mobile CEO John Legere says that T-Mo worked with YouTube to figure things out, though, saying that they “listened, made some changes, and worked out some very cool creative solutions.”

As for what those changes are, T-Mobile says that video providers can now decide to opt out of Binge On so that their videos aren’t optimized by the service. Providers that make that decision will be published on T-Mo’s website so that customers know which videos aren’t include with Binge On. Additionally, YouTube will be the first provider that will manage its own video streams and perform its own optimizations for Binge On. Other services will manage their own streams in the future.

Speaking of other services, Binge On is gaining even more free streaming partners today. Baeble Music, Discovery GO, ESNE, FilmOn.TV, Fox Business, Google Play Movies, KlowdTV, and Red Bull TV are also joining the free streaming portion of Binge On today. The full list of Binge On free streaming services now looks like this:

  • A&E
  • Amazon Video
  • Baeble Music
  • Crackle
  • CuriosityStream
  • DirecTV
  • Discovery GO
  • Encore
  • ESNE
  • ESPN
  • Fandor
  • FilmOn TV
  • Fox Business
  • Fox News
  • Fox Sports
  • Fox Sports GO
  • fubo TV
  • FYI
  • Go90
  • Google Play Movies
  • HBO GO
  • HBO NOW
  • History
  • Hulu
  • Kidoodle.TV
  • KlowdTV
  • Lifetime
  • Lifetime Movie Club
  • Major League Baseball
  • MiKandi
  • Movieplex
  • NBC Sports
  • Netflix
  • Newsy
  • ODK Media
  • Playstation Vue
  • Red Bull TV
  • Showtime
  • Showtime Anytime
  • Sling Box
  • Sling TV
  • Starz
  • Tennis Channel Everywhere
  • T-Mobile TV
  • Univision Deportes
  • Univision NOW
  • Ustream
  • Vessel
  • Vevo
  • VUDU
  • WWE Network
  • YouTube

Source: T-Mobile

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  • Rirruto

    Wonder if YouTube Kids app is also included.

  • John Doe

    T-Mobile says that video providers can now decide to opt out of Binge On so that their videos aren’t optimized by the service.

    Good start but they need to make it opt-in NOT opt-out.

    Also, I wonder if go90 will opt-out LoL

    • maximus1901

      you’re clueless; they’re never gonna do that.
      the whole point IS that most people never will change the default settings so the network benefits too.

      • Fabian Cortez

        It sounds like people still cannot get over this opt-in/opt-out nonsense.

        I say move on or port out to a carrier that will opt you into overages without an option to opt-out!

  • Steven

    What about windows phones that don’t have a youtube app, is this monitored and enabled via the browser?

    • besweeet

      You should be fine by using the mobile website.

  • besweeet

    Being on the unthrottled unlimited plan (averaging 50GB per month for many
    months, with no problems with 720p+ streaming), the Binge On updates
    don’t do anything for me, but they’re great for those who aren’t. But
    the addition of YouTube makes me worried about the quality of the data
    network moving forward. YouTube has to be much larger than all of the
    other supported Binge On services combined, no?

    • Rirruto
    • Ascertion

      While the speeds are definitely fast for me in southern Jacksonville, I’m noticing that upload is typically higher than download, which is a sure sign of congestion. With this new addition, people paying for 3GB+ will be able to stream all day with no hassle. Unless T-Mobile plans on adding more capacity in their already spectrum constrained markets, I see bad things coming from this. If it gets bad enough, T-Mobile will likely change the BingeOn policy to only allow higher data tiers to take advantage of it (ie: 10GB+.)

      • besweeet

        Where in south Jax are you seeing higher ups and downs? I’m rarely under 40 down. Can still exceed 100 down in a handful of spots regularly at peak times.

        Currently hitting 52 down / 16 up / 16ms ping (6+ / 3 bars / -102dB) on the second floor of an office building on the southern end of San Jose Blvd.

        • Ascertion

          San Jose is generally pretty good on all of the carriers. Drive a bit east/south and you’ll see the beginning signs of congestion. T-Mobile is already the most dense carrier in terms of site density around here. I’m not complaining about my speeds, I’m just posting an observation that congestion is starting to appear.

        • Fabian Cortez

          I’m not complaining about my speeds, I’m just posting an observation that congestion is starting to appear.

          And you have no Band 12 [deployed] either.

          Carrier aggregation with Band 12 should alleviate any encroaching congestion in the near term.

        • kev2684

          I live around this area and I can confirm this.

        • kev2684

          congestion is getting the better of T-Mobile on Baymeadows/Southside area. I used to get 70mbps down almost any time. Now uploads are higher… 6 down vs 18 up during rush hours.

      • Fabian Cortez

        Binge On was meant to improve the congestion situation and there are studies out there that prove it is working.

        Capacity still is not an issue with T-Mobile. Densification is the solution moving forward, not throwing more spectrum at the problem.

      • If you are constrained on LTE drop your preference to 4G and test the speed. They only throttle whatever frequency is congested.

    • John Wentworth

      Don’t fool yourself, Binge-on is most likely helping T-mobile’s network.
      Lowering streaming quality and bandwidth utilization for tons of users who don’t even know it’s enabled.
      I would be willing to bet money the vast majority of unlimited subscribers still have this option enabled, (Not the unlimited users on this site, I’ve disabled it too) but in general.

      • Ascertion

        It already throttled YouTube without it being a part of BingeOn. This addition to Youtube only encourages more people to use the network for video streaming (although it is 480p quality.)

        • patt

          only if you had it enabled once I disabled it I had no issues with YT.

        • peharri

          Yeah, but the difference is they can more easily handle the traffic. Video streaming normally works by each client trying to get the largest amount of bandwidth allocated to it as possible, and that’s not mobile friendly.

          The advantage Binge On has is that the bandwidth of each client ends up limited, making it easier for other users – be they streamers or people just checking their email – to actually get service. They’re no longer competing against two people who are streaming a 1080p movie with the minimum of artifacts on their 400 pixel phone, but against 30, none of whom will ask for more than 1.5Mbps and any one of which will get much less than that for long periods of time.

          It’s a smart idea, I just wish the initial implementation had been better and T-Mobile had been more open about it.

      • Acdc1a

        Actually I’m on this site and I have it enabled. I love sharing my connection for no additional charge.

    • dtam

      they still help you since more users are on lower streaming rates

  • vinnyjr

    Great addition to Binge On. Largest video service in the world thinks Binge On is a great service. T-Mobile has changed the Mobile Industry and thank God. Every Carrier has copied every service T-Mobile has implemented but in a half ass way. Yep, thrilled about T-Mobile, my service is fantastic and just keeps getting better. Thank You T-Mobile, Thank You John Legere.

  • Apple

    YES now i can stream YouTube all day at work!
    #CableCutter
    #GovermentNeedsBreakUpTimeWarner&Comcast
    #iPhone4EveryKing

    • Acdc1a

      I even cut my home internet. Unfortunately Netflix doesn’t look great on the TV, but for what I’m paying ($0 extra), I’ll take it…and it feels good to stick it to Comshaft!

  • Guest

    Prices will just go up over time. You’ll see. First $70 then $80 now $95???

    • besweeet

      With AT&T’s addition of an unlimited plan (with several asterisks), I think T-Mobile’s will stay at $95 for longer than expected.

      • Acdc1a

        The real question is whether AT&T will open the flood gates and let their non TV customers buy the plan.

        • besweeet

          They might, assuming they charge even more for the plan, which would make T-Mobile’s prices look even better.

    • I’d rather $70 and give up all the features.

      (3GB of tethering and having Simple Global and Mobile Without Borders as that $10 add on, since I will likely never use it monthly, than $80/$95 with more tethering/features.)

  • Cam Fas

    This is awesome I have the unlimited plan but I must say the fact that I work in a highly congested airport means that when I get to the 23gigs I am de prioritized and that sucks. So I leave binge on and never worry about getting throttled down to under one Meg. For the time being I am happy that it’s now included in binge my two iPads only are used for Netflix and YouTube and since they are on 5gig plans that’s exclusively what they will be used for along with my unlimited line on my phone.

    • Jimmy James

      Can anyone tell me what this person is talking about with 23 GBs and de-prioritization? .

      • Davion Byrd Smith

        Its now 25 Gigs but if a tower is congested your data could be down to 128kb/s for the remaning of the bill cycle on the towers that are congested in your area.. if tower is not congested you should see normal speeds

        • Jimmy James

          They stated multiple times adamantly that they do not throttle. Where is this information coming from?

        • dontsh00tmesanta

          hes correct, to a point. The temp throttle is not always that low. People may see 5mbps for example. Its random based on available bandwidth

        • Walt

          Couldnt you just turn 4G HSPA+ Manually on if you’re LTE speeds are being throttled? Seems like an easy fix

        • dontsh00tmesanta

          Good point

          You do that

        • DurteeDee

          It isn’t that easy it will just be needed I live in a super heavy T-Mobile/metropcs area and once I break that cap I feel that shit from 10 am down to 1am but I still got over 60 GB used..it’s upsetting but I deals with it for now

        • Davion Byrd Smith

          http://www.t-mobile.com/Templates/Popup.aspx?PAsset=Ftr_Ftr_TermsAndConditionsFeb2016&print=true. This is the terms and conditions. If u look under how my data is used it will say users over 25 gig.

        • Jimmy James

          Thanks!

    • patt

      it’s actually 25gb now not 23.

    • Critic4U

      My wife uses about 150GB a month and doesn’t get throttled at all we even turned that bing on service off never have any issues, I personally love my unlimited service and would never switch from my family unlimited plan 2 lines for $100 we have never been throttled :-)

      • Cam Fas

        That’s pretty good. I work at a major airport it’s the only place I get depriorized like clockwork if I pass the cap my speeds are so slow they can barely open a web page but once I leave the airport I never have any issues. And I only ever have issues when I go over the cap and only at work on lunch breaks is where I watch my videos. When I travel or whenever I’m home I just use wifi so I suppose I’m only one of the unlucky few that deals with the throttle over the cap.

        • I think I just got deprioitized, they should really let the customer know so we dont think something is wrong.

  • Jimmy James

    I have a Galaxy S7 and can definitely tell the difference between Binge-On, especially on Hulu. The picture quality isn’t as good, and it gets stuck buffering often. Never does with Binge-Off. We are supposed to be moving to 4K, not backwards to 340 or 480p. I have unlimited data, so I am all about that Binge-Off.

    • calvin35

      I agree. If the difference between 480p and 1080p doesn’t bother you then binge on is great. However, on my note 5 the difference is just too much. The video looks grainy and out of focus at 480p.

      • Acdc1a

        That might be a little dramatic. 480p doesn’t look grainy on my 10″ tablet…that said when it drops under the 480 (and it does fairly frequently) it doesn’t look good at all.

        • Jimmy James

          The resolution on your 10″ tablet might only be 1080p and have a lower pixel per inch ratio. The Edge is 1440p and has a high pixel density, along with super rich colors in AMOLED cinema mode. You will notice. AMOLEDs are better with blacks, so you can see the blurry edges on people or objects more easily.

        • dontsh00tmesanta

          most apps wont send 1080p over cellular regardless. Besides theres the option to turn it off

        • Jimmy James

          YouTube does. On videos uploaded with 1440p, it definitely streams at 1440p if you select that in quality.

        • TechnoRealz

          YT will try.
          But if your signal is not consistent or YT’s is doing soemthing to their stream on their end, it will take awhile to get to HD quality (1080P)..

          I have YT video settings to auto & it can sometime take a long while if not at all to get to 1080P – dependent on where I am& signal quality.

          Manually forcing it to 1080P doesn’t help.

          Signal quality is the key to Video quality.

        • dontsh00tmesanta

          I know

          Did I say all apps?

      • Jimmy James

        Why buy a 1440p screen if people are just going to watch 480p or worse?

      • TechnoRealz

        Could be your connection or YouTube managing the streaming quality.
        I have had instances on my PC where I set YouTube video quality on Auto & it takes awhile for the video to make its way to 1080P.

    • taxandspend

      I can tell the difference with HBO Go, but with Netflix it’s razor sharp. On the LG V10. And I thought Netflix doesn’t send anything higher than 480p to mobile devices anyway.

      Edit a few hours later – I went to the gym and watched Showtime – Billions. Looked great.

    • dontsh00tmesanta

      Indeed feel free to turn it off. Many people see the benefit of this.

    • donnybee

      It’s nice that a service is so consumer-driven that you can choose how you want to consume.

  • Fabian Cortez

    Where are the five (5) whiners complaining about NN and Binge On and YouTube not being participatory?

    YouTube complaining about Binge On had everything to do with control and not NN. The one streaming service with 54341354163 different streaming options had the gall to complain about T-Mobile buffering with Binge On enabled.

    Follow the money.

  • dontsh00tmesanta

    If you guys have an issue with binge on there are several ways to turn it off

    • You can’t turn off the precedent it’s setting against net neutrality.

      • Concorde Speed

        How?
        T-Mobile isn’t charging us extra if we want full speed access to the videos again.
        And it’s an optional feature for the customer and the media publisher.

        Where’s the problem and the precedent in this?

        • Every new streamer/company will now have to apply to T-Mobile and change their infrastructure and go through extra steps, just so that they’re part of Binge-On.

          For instance, I can’t create a streaming service tomorrow and have any user just go for it on an equal playing field. I’m automatically biased against because MY data is “costing” the end user.

          That’s anti-net neutrality. If other carriers pick this up, which they will, it’s a slippery slope. Same reason India, quite recently, shut down Facebook’s “free” usage.

        • S. Ali

          So? That logic applies to any platform. If you want your streaming service on Playstation, Xbox, or any Smart TV you have to change your infrastructure and go through extra steps. If you want to go mobile you have to build a mobile platform. That’s part of doing business. Stop with this non-sense. Businesses are supposed to compete, they’re not supposed to make it easy for competitors. Facebook in India did not allow everyone to join, BingeOn does. If you create a streaming service tomorrow and you choose to ignore T-Mobile’s technical criteria, well, that’s you’re failure as a business.

        • You’re missing the point. Playstation & Xbox aren’t providing me with the Internet, they’re a *service* on top of the internet. In your example, if all Xboxes had faster multiplayer over Comcast internet, and PS4s were objectively slower, that’s anti-competitive, that’s anti-net neutrality. Comcast shouldn’t have control over what data I get over the internet nor give any preferential treatment to Microsoft over Sony, or any other company. What if a new start-up console company wanted to enter the scene? Guess what, they can’t get a foothold and actually be competitive this way, they’re locked out before they even begin. Your example actually shows the failure of innovation.

          I don’t think I’ll be able to convince anybody here, it’s a biased audience here, a T-Mobile site after all. But I hope you see my point of view, it’s a very slippery slope.

        • S. Ali

          Netflix and Hulu are also services on top of your internet. What’s your point? When Netflix wanted to stream on Xbox they had to build an app that met Microsoft’s technical specifications of Xbox Live. When Hulu wanted to stream on Playstation they had to build an app that met Sony’s technical specifications of PlayStation Plus. Surely you aren’t arguing that having to meet the technical specification of the Xbox and Playstation were a means to lock out competitors. If a third console entered the market, guess what, they also have to get Netflix and Hulu to build another app. Otherwise I think you’re missing the point. You’re arguing that content providers should have 100% free access to every customer endpoint with no cost or technical barriers. That’s absurd. Why should it be “easy” for new competitors to enter the market? Why shouldn’t they make the same investments that others made? That’s the real slippery slope.

        • AcemanX AcemanX

          exactly, Netflix had to adapt to Xbox’s specs, this guy is probably just trolling

        • capmike1

          you could contact T-Mobile, see what their requirements are, and then build your streaming service to meet those technical requirements… pretty easy I’d say.

      • Acdc1a

        Is Comcast violating net neutrality by offering different speed tiers? Get off it. You don’t like it? Turn it off.

      • My thing is, net neutrality or not, if it’s not hurting the customers, what’s the problem? I’m pretty sure this feature has been introduced because unlimited plans will cease to exist in the near future. With that being said, I’d rather have binge on with the limited data plans that we’ll have, than without it and pay extra or overages.

        To me, it’s like the concept of net neutrality was thrown out there, and people just ran with the wind.

      • dontsh00tmesanta

        If that’s your only argument lmao

  • David

    Does this include youtube music? (I would assume yes).

    • Jimmy James

      Probably. It uses the same videos, just gives you the option to stop the video, and only listen to the audio.

  • David

    Major major win for T-Mobile. It’s how things should be done. Put aside the difference, sit down and work out a solution that benefit the american people instead of fighting against each other and be enemies.
    That’s why President Trump will do good for this country.

    • donnybee

      You forgot the “/s” at the end of your comment.

  • I find it amusing that Verizon’s Go90 is being offered too, making it irrelevant to be its customer.

    OTOH, T-Mobile TV is supported only now?

  • Bryck

    That’s huge. I’ve recently downgrade my plan from 6GB with data stash down to 2GB without Data Stash, because with Music Freedom, and Bnge on, my Data consumption was averaging only around 1.5 GB monthly. Now I can watch YouTube without worrying about data. Huge win for the consumer keep it coming T-Mobile.

    • nutmac

      No, only subscribers on qualifying plans can stream for free with Binge On, which are postpaid plans with 3GB or higher data.

      • Bryck

        I have binge on. I am a postpaid customer.
        Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think T-Mobile offers 3Gb data option.

        • capmike1

          Everyone has a form of “Binge On”. @nutmac:disqus is correct, only data plans of 3GB or higher get the unlimited video aspect of it. If you are on the 2GB plan, you have “Binge On”, but the data still counts against your plan. T-Mobile just compresses the video file you play so that you get roughly 3x more use out of the data you have, compared to a full HD video stream.

        • Bryck

          T-Mobile doesn’t offer 3GB option

        • capmike1

          I know it’s weird. That’s what their policy states though.

        • SirStephenH

          I believe they changed the plans not long after adding BingeOn. There used to be a 3GB option.

        • Bryck

          Thanks for clarifying.

      • Bryck

        You’re absolutely right. I just changed my plan back. Thanks for the clarifying.

  • Wow!

  • DILAW IDDAHLA

    Does anyone know if BingeOn works when tethering from my phone to my tablet and playing YouTube on my tablet? Or binge on only works if I am playing YouTube from my phone?

    • Acdc1a

      Yes, even tethering.

    • SirStephenH

      Yes, tethering. I tethered my Chromecast to my phone the last couple of power outages (we have a generator) and it worked great. The resolution is abysmal but at least it gave me something to do.

      • Acdc1a

        Honestly that could be Chromecast as much as anything. My Roku works great with the Netflix app whereas the Netflix app on the Dish Network receiver does not play nice at all and I get buffering and super low quality video regularly.

  • VN

    It still violates Net Neutrality rules, read the Stanford report; search:

    T-Mobile’s Binge On Violates Key Net Neutrality Principles

    And here’s one question:

    What if I want to watch a video service from China or France?

    • Gaius_Baltar4

      Well if it’s true as said in the video that Att and Verizon are delivering Netflix at even a LOWER res to their customers than T-Mobile customer with BingeOn activated than the critics of BingeOn were foolish from the beginning.

      • VN

        It’s not about the resolution, it’s about the threat to internet freedom. Check the report, please.

        • TechnoRealz

          YOU check the previous threads on this: Most detractors here were heated about resolution. NN was a faint cry from john Doe.

        • VN

          You’re right. Resolution is a big issue too when we consider that all customers are default-in to the service, hoping they don’t opt-out because they are not well informed or they are not tech savvy enough.

        • Phone Guy

          Turn off your Binge on and go to sleep. Done. We will enjoy it and the internet won’t come to an end.

    • That report is a hack job.

      Put your money where your ideology is: overages are waiting for you, neutrally.

      • VN

        No, it is not. I bet you didn’t even take a look at it.

        • theseanteam

          Did you take a look at it? List the specific points where BingeOn is still in violation of the study…

    • Chris

      Boo hoo hoo

    • theseanteam

      Tell those video services to apply for BingeOn.

      • VN

        What if the waiting time is too long? What if they are using a better, newer technology that T-Mobile doesn’t accept? What if they are not interested because only a few thousand individuals use it here? What if T-Mobile is not interested for the same reason?

        It’s been over 3 months of Binge On and, how many services have been approved?

        • theseanteam

          Considering Google actually protested BingeOn at first and is now a part of this certainly must open your eyes… no?

          On the flip side, for T-Mobile to open the doors to quite possibly the largest video streaming service shows their door is open to everyone. I mean, what sense does it make to give away more free data than to piss off users/companies and deny/slow down for a service that will use less data?

          You throw out a lot of what if’s… You certainly could post those theoretical questions all day long. I’m still waiting for another streaming company to come out and say they were denied and why. Google spoke out, but now they are on board. If your what if’s had any merit, I’m sure others would speak out on T-Mobile being unfair in their practice.

        • VN

          Small providers, international providers, non profit providers, providers that don’t have resources to adjust their services to T-Mobile’s requirements, providers that don’t have a parent company like Google to defend them.

          And there’s a report just a search away.

        • theseanteam

          Who are these providers? Can you list the ones that don’t have the resources?

        • VN

          One example: The Internet Archive.

          You can search that on Wikipedia.

        • theseanteam

          Are you saying they claimed to not have the resources to make BingeOn work for them? I checked Wikipedia and I see no mention of BingeOn or T-Mobile. I do see they have a 10 million dollar annual budget, so I’m guessing they should have the resources to make it happen if they really wanted to.

        • VN

          It’s a non-profit and users upload videos at different formats and qualities, there is no auto adjusting like commercial services can afford. With binge on unknowingly on users will not be able to watch high def videos, they’ll think the service sucks and leave. I know friends that have T-Mobile and they don’t even know what data throttling is. Don’t expect regular people to know about Binge On. That is one of reasons I no longer recommend T-Mobile.

        • Kim

          To be honest, I understand your concern but it is not solid and you just run around all day start saying this (net neutrality, false advertising ) then say that ( user) doesn’t know. First there are many things that user doesn’t know with anything from a toothbrush to cell phone service of any carrier. I think if you have to tackle T-Mobile then you have to tackle all carriers. I think binge on is in the grey area if it does violations net neutrality. That is probably one of the reason why it is a opt in or out service not just in like music freedom. You say user don’t know much about it and in that case they either don’t feel affected or they just think something is wrong or service just bad. In case two it would be T-Mobile lost, that is their business if you don’t bother to call or find out and assume and leave. In terms of false advertisement, it is a bit more like a white lie and all business does it one way or the other. For hindering innovation of technology, I don’t think just because one service stop then they will just give up altogether to build new. If the new technology is superior or many are adopt T-Mobile must adjust or they will be the one losing out. Technology changes and standard will too the ones who don’t adapt will be emlimated. In the end if you really think T-Mobile is bad think about others first and don’t just be bias.

        • VN

          If people who don’t know about Binge On go to a site that is not optimized to work with T-Mobile’s throttle and requirements and see the site is not working properly they’ll think it’s a website issue first because the more popular and commercial sites are working fine.

          Newcomers and small video providers will most likely use technologies that will work fine with the carriers requirements and throttle management. Thus preventing real technological innovation.

          What I don’t like is carriers becoming the middleman between the internet and us. Once we lose internet freedom it will be almost impossible to take it back.

        • Kim

          I dont think we lose freedom per se but being shaped. Sadly a lot stuff in our daily life is also somewhat being shape by dogma and things. Cooperation are killing off small business, the smarter technology the less privacy.

        • theseanteam

          To answer your last question, over 50 services have been approved for BingeOn. They represent over 70% of the streaming traffic. That was answered in the press release.

          As for the other technology… T-Mobile worked with Google to improve their technology. That too was in the press release.

          And they let companies opt out of optimization as well. That was in the press release as well.

          While T-Mobile is a business who looks at their bottom line and they certainly aren’t always perfect, they are one of the most innovative and customer-friendly companies in wireless.

    • Frank Wallace

      Too bad, it’s a great deal and I commend tmobile.

      • VN

        It would be fair and even a better deal if they make all data free at the 1.5 mbps throttle.

        Why not?

        • Acdc1a

          Certainly with 5g I see tiered speeds. It might not be a bad idea now. Imagine $50 for 1mbps $60 for 3 $70 for 8 and $95 for no limitations.

        • SirStephenH

          I don’t see that happening because unlike wired there’s no way to guarantee a basic level of service with wireless.

        • Acdc1a

          You pull a Comshaft and call it *up to. Like my office internet is up to 50mbps….in reality I might get 12…

        • VN

          I’m thinking a ‘Free Mode’ at 1.5Mbps with different full-speed data allotments for the times you want to stream, download, go to a video site that only has hd videos, etc.

          And they can make a ‘Free Mode’ on/off switch widget too.

          That way no one has to worry about tech requirements, approval, etc.

          That would I call consumer frendly and innovative.

        • Phone Guy

          Good Idea.

        • VN

          Thanks.

          But I don’t think t-mobile will agree. I bet they prefer selling Youtube now, Facebook next, then whatsapp, etc.

          So the fans can be happy and thank John Legere.

    • theseanteam

      On a side note, the Stanford report is now out of date… the changes to technology and T-Mobile stances not to mention their working with Google only shows the report no longer holds water.

      • VN

        That just shows you didn’t even saw the index of the report.

        Page 2.

        • theseanteam

          Page 2 is just the table of contents…. and your point is? You have yet to make a coherent point, other than toss out some hypotheticals or reference the Stanford report. Why not list some points that are relevant to support your point. Or maybe you don’t have any. Or maybe you don’t even understand the point.

          In any case, the only statement that has any relevance and holds water is the fact that T-Mobile is giving most favored status to music and video. I don’t think they could argue against the fact that they are indeed discriminating against people who do a lot of downloads or play video games over their connections. Considering the usage of smartphones for intended usages (especially those listed in the terms of service), I agree it is discriminatory, but considering the value and utility they are providing the end user and the fact that most other legitimate traffic will not use up the high speed data allocations, the real life implications of BingeOn would allow more of other data to be used without video which is already taking the bulk of the data using up that allocation.

        • VN

          Table of contents pointing to specific pages… isn’t that the index?

          There are many issues, I wouldn’t even know where to begin.

          Did you check the ‘False advertising’ section? It is about how T-mobile says you can watch all the video you want from the participating services, but in the TOS they say that video will count as overall data and when your overall data reaches 25GB you’ll be throttled when congested.

        • Phone Guy

          Yes, but when you are throttled, you are still able to watch all the video you want. It may chop, lag, whatever, but you can still watch it. It won’t come to a screeching halt. So in fact, it is not false advertising.

        • Jimmy James

          I have been over the limit with Binge-Off. Hulu just buffers. Takes a few tries and sometimes I just gave up.

        • theseanteam

          False Advertising =/= Violation of Net Neutrality

          In any case, your assumption about false advertising is incorrect. You can watch all the video you want… Only if the node you are on is over-capacity will QoS kick in and de-prioritize you. You can still watch all the video regardless, although performance at specific times may be diminished.

          You still haven’t brought up any sites that have been denied on BingeOn. Or brought up any ways this truly violates Net Neutrality, other than site a report ad nauseam.

        • Phone Guy

          Saw or see?

        • VN

          See, you see.

    • If you watch a video from China or France you’d still save data with it turned on, or you can turn it off and watch in full resolution. It’s sort of like an “Eco-Mode”switch.

  • kev2684

    Happy for those who abuse it tethering on a TV with Binge On. Keep on degrading T-Mobile’s network and complain how slow your speeds are in the coming months. Still not gonna enable it on any of my lines.

    • Acdc1a

      How is it abuse when they allow tethering and it’s white listed? Moreover, whether it’s tethered to a TV, Streaming device, or Tablet it’s limited to 480p…meaning it’s no different to the network than using it on a mobile phone.

      • kev2684

        Okay, point. Maybe abuse is not the right word for it. Exploit. With BingeOn enabled on tethered devices by T-Mobile on their end, one can live off T-Mobile’s service plan and completely drop an ISP with BingeOn enabled. It matters because even if that’s streaming at 480p, the towers will have an added load due to higher bandwidth demand from those who weren’t streaming through tethering that much before BingeOn was introduced. Those hundreds of GBs of data that were flowing through your local ISP are now straining your local T-Mobile tower.

        • Acdc1a

          Take it up with T-Mobile. 400MB+- per hour multiplied by 20 hours is still just 8GB. I’d be hard pressed to watch 20 hours of Netflix in a month…but even if someone were spending 20 hours in a week it’s still only 32GB…”Abusers” are people who torrent with their unlimited plan, not use a free service provided by T-Mobile.

        • VN

          When 480p-ers reach an overall data consumption of 25 GB including Binge On “free” videos they’ll lose priority when congested. And since more and more areas are congested…

        • Acdc1a

          They’ll have to stream 2.5 hours a day every single day to hit 25GB…and they’ll still have to be on a congested tower to notice any difference at all.

        • VN

          Sorry, that was the wrong example of false advertising, the right one is that when you consume your full-speed data all your data including Binge On will be throttled to 128kbps. Please don’t be an Augustine and tell me that you can still watch videos at 128kbps by buffering one hour for a 5 minute video. :)

          This is a Binge On FAQ:

          What happens when I run out of high-speed data?

          Because video streams free from your favorite video streaming services and almost all other video streaming is optimized so you can watch up to 3 times more video with your data plan, we think it will be hard to run out of data. But if you do, you will first draw from your Data Stash. If you exhaust your Data Stash your data, including all video streaming, will be slowed to 2G speeds, but you’ll never get hit by an overage. EVER!

          PS: Gotta love that EVER!, I love T-Mobile.

        • crawler9

          Are you sure (as in first-hand or second-hand knowledge from someone who has experienced it) ALL video is throttled? I wonder if maybe the FAQ answer is a little misleading. This would be frustrating, though I haven’t hit my cap in a long time (I don’t stream much video or download apps on the go often; WiFi is fine for that.) One possible other meaning I suspect could be the intention of the the answer to which you referred is that all video traffic from services that count against your high speed allotment would be throttled.

          In the past, I did intentionally use the rest of my high speed allotment one month prior to the introduction of Binge On to test the same scenario with Music Freedom. It seemed that although all of my other traffic was throttled to 2G speeds, I could still stream music from Spotify in high quality mode, so it appears that music was still being streamed at high speed despite the fact that a Play Store download I was running simutaneously was chugging along at around 12kBps.

          I look forward to seeing if anyone can confirm this.

        • AcemanX AcemanX

          Umm yes that is awesome, why are you saying its a bad idea to drop a ISP, I have 7gb of tether and my laptop now streams Netflix without affecting my data, with unlimited data I pay at tmobile almost 120 with my phone, I cannow drop my isp that charges another 60 a month, why is that a bad thing for you?

        • I’ve been on both sides of this, but I am starting to think if T-Mobile offers it you can’t blame people for taking advantage of it. With streaming music and video zero rated, I can totally get by with 13Gb of tethered data for my laptop. Can’t beat it.

  • peharri

    Just realized, it’s not just YouTube, it’s also Google Play Movies. That’s awesome. I’ve got a few movies bought there, and it’ll be nice to have access to them (in a way that doesn’t kill my plan) on the road.

    • SirStephenH

      You can download them to your device ahead of time and not have to deal with the throttling.

      • VN

        Shhh, don’t tell them that, it’s like a secret now. Besides, it’s not for “cool” people. Didn’t someone tell you to go with the flow?

    • Demand throttling rather than reasonable rates.

  • Well, that’s an improvement, I guess. At least service AND users can opt out now.

    • IRIE4IPIEIR

      You guess?? Stfu

      • Rude and uncalled for.

        • Your deceptive comment about only now an user being able to turn it off, though you admitted in a later post that you knew that it was possible from day one, called for it.

        • * Services could not opt out before.
          * Services can now opt out.

          Now both sides of a connection can opt out of Binge On. This is an improvement, but not yet perfect because the user cannot control Binge On by service, nor can they control how to treat services that have not yet contacted T-Mobile for either inclusion or opting out.

          How is that deceptive? Moreover, why would that call for telling me to STFU?

    • Enrique Escobar

      but you could’ve opted out from day one, like i did.

      • Phone Guy

        I get less lagging. Even though I am in a fast area, sometimes the speeds dip, and with the optimizations, I don’t see it. If I was streaming the super HD I would see the lag.

      • I did opt out.

      • That’s not true. I had to call and they apologized.

        • Enrique Escobar

          well, the fact that you were able to opt out , even if it took a call to do it shows that i was right in the first place and no, you didn’t have to call, all you had to do was log into your account on myTmobile.

        • That’s not true.

        • Now you can but I couldn’t tick it until recently.

        • Enrique Escobar

          not on the app but the website, that is how i did it

        • It has since been fixed but it wasn’t working when I first tried and they did apologize and were honest that it was not functioning as planned.

  • SirStephenH

    So what happens when Google expands end to end encryption to YouTube as they are planning? It’s already been established that BingeOn can’t identify video streams when encryption is used.

    • VN

      That’s an example of how the T-Mobile Binge On requirements could prevent real innovation.

      • Rather, innovation has just been spurred on by Binge On, yet you cannot see it through your ideological blinders.

        • VN

          What innovation Binge On has spurred?

          Throttling is nothing new nor is white listing certain traffic.

        • Drop those blinders, for you are unable to see the result achieved by Google and T-Mobile.

        • VN

          There’s no innovation. It’s just video throttling and making some of the throttled videos “free”, mostly the popular and commercial ones.

          Someone would say, if they’re throttling all video why not make it all “free” then?

        • BingeON has crippled innovation.

    • Phone Guy

      Well, Google-You Tube will now be doing their own optimization, not T-Mobile. They are taking over their own optimization from today on. Wouldn’t this address this? Not sure why not.

    • Youtube is now controlling their own feed on their end. It is fascinating how far they must reach before the internet breaks and people have different types of data throttled. Bye bye freedom of speech.

  • besweeet

    That area’s always terrible for some reason. Maybe just a huge amount of TMo subs?The worst I’ve had was near the Winn-Dixie on Beach Blvd. near 295. 0.25 down, 25 up… Wasn’t even close to 23GB used. Everywhere I’ve had much better speeds. St. Johns Town Center is great for TMo, garbage for everyone else.

  • Sean Murphy

    T-Mobile’s Binge On Violates Net Neutrality. in your opinion you could say yes but i say it does not. You want your cell phone at 4k streaming 7Gb an hour. 1080p streams 3GB an hour. where as 480p streams about 400mbs an hour. why do you want your cell phone to do 4k? 1080p is good enough to me. When i binge on i don’t notice the difference unless im streaming it to the TV.

    • VN

      T-mobile claims itself to be “The fastest nationwide 4G LTE network” and they sell plans with different “high-speed”, “full-speed” data allotments. So you calculate your usage and choose a monthly plan that will cover that. Why then they default people to 480p video? Aren’t you supposed to use your “high-speed” data in whatever way you want it?

      • Phone Guy

        Yes, you are supposed to use your data in whatever way you want, and you do. Its a cool little switch called Binge-On/Binge-Off. Turn it off and suck up all your high speed data just as you are suggesting. Feel free to watch 7GB of video in an hour. Super easy. Turn it off and save data. You choose. Easy on, Easy off. Easy.

        • VN

          It’s not only about that.

        • They are treating data differently. What happens when they offer zero rating, which has been even rejected in INDIA!, on your email or they throttle something else or who knows. They are treating data differently.

      • Charmed79

        You can use it anyway you want, by just flipping a switch to turn on or off binge anytime you like.

        • VN

          Yes I can, but the big problem is that it violates Net Neutrality and is a threat to internet freedom. It opens the door for others to do the same or worse.

          I know, I shouldn’t be using my imagination here, it’s unfair and uncool.

        • You have no right to the property of others. How a carrier manages its network is its business. If you’re unhappy about how it manages its property, you’re free to seek another which meets your expectations. That’s the beauty of no contracts. And the beauty of not coming across your pathetic ideological whining anymore.

        • VN

          So, you don’t care about internet freedom.

          You too have an ideology and I haven’t see one person here agree with your radical position. If you tell why you have that view maybe we could cut to the chase, is it philosophical?

        • Not philosophical, buy ethical: thou shalt not steal.

        • VN

          And, how does that apply here?

        • priap1sm

          The only thing this does is give you more options. It gives you more choices as to how to use your data. You don’t have to participate if you don’t want to. It’s actually empowering for the consumer.

    • Jimmy James

      I purchased a phone that does 1440p and want it to show me videos at least at 1080p, not a third of 1440p. I am assuming you are fine with 480p on your HD TV.

    • My phone is FHD. I see it. And I have an astigmatism and cataract surgery. And I need bifocals.

  • Michael Elkin

    I trust T-Mobile over Youtube and google any day. Tmobile is helping itself by helping users, Youtube is helping itself by hurting users. More videos = more adds = more data = more money in their pocket. Youtube and Google has gotten so much worse in recently and Tmobile is the only one trying to do anything about it.

    • VN

      What!? YouTube is working fine for me. Maybe you have Binge-On/Data-Maximizer throttle ON and that is messing it up.

      • BreakingData

        I don’t think he is talking about viewing videos but youtube as a company. Or at least that is what I am guessing?

        • Google was concerned about their ads but Youtube is “free” and is the true type of zero rating using ads. If you screw up the ads they lose money and a business that gives away something free using ads depends on those ads for survival. The thing is that Tmobile was attempting to throttling ads too which was causing adnetwork congestion and causing people to not even get passed the ads.

  • druff

    Does T-mobile still offer 3GB for $10? I want to use Binge On but $15 for 6GB is too expensive for me.

    • OZ

      Customer loyalty might be able to. One of my lines has the 3 GB plan, and was upgraded to the promo 4.5 GB + data stash for the same price, last year.

  • VN

    People have been asking me why is Binge On bad, I told many to read the Stanford report, so they can decide for themselves and of course save me the trouble. But looks like many want to hear it from me, I don’t know why. So I’ll start with the False Advertising claim.

    T-Mobile says you can watch unlimited videos from the participating services.

    But the TOS and a hidden FAQ say that if you consume your full-speed data allotment, all your traffic will be throttled at 128kbps.

    Binge On FAQ: What happens when I run out of high-speed data?

    Because video streams free from your favorite video streaming services and almost all other video streaming is optimized so you can watch up to 3 times more video with your data plan, we think it will be hard to run out of data. But if you do, you will first draw from your Data Stash. If you exhaust your Data Stash your data, including all video streaming, will be slowed to 2G speeds, but you’ll never get hit by an overage. EVER!

    • Scoop003

      You really are stupid, aren’t you? They’re saying, if you happen to watch enough video, from a provider not in the binge on program, that you exceed your data cap, then your speeds will be slowed. Videos from providers in the binge on service don’t count against that cap. They’re also saying video from non-binge providers has been optimized, so as to help you avoid hitting your cap. So, where’s the false advertising?

      • VN

        But if you use all your full-speed data all your data will be slowed to 2G speeds including Binge On videos.

  • BreakingData

    I would say something positive about this, but im afraid “VN” will reply

  • I got done with a call from the office of the president and Tmobile executives told me they activated it on all accounts including unlimited lte because they think customers are idiots.

    • BreakingData

      I don’t think that’s the exact verbiage they used.

      • Close enough. Didn’t TMobile insist it was semantics.

        • isaac bejjani

          It’s an opt-out program meaning all you have to do is opt-out, this fact is very widely known. If you don’t like it, switch.

  • priap1sm

    Now I basically don’t need any of the data in my plan…so, thanks?

    It would be nice if I could have bingeon activated for some things, but not others. Like, I’d need it for Netflix, as big movies suck down a ton of data, but for the occasional youtube video it’s hardly an issue, especially with the 10gb of data I won’t be using now. Just an idea!

    • BreakingData

      Yeah I am on a 10gb plan myself and with bingeon activated im not using any data

  • YouTube is a great addition. I would still like to see Vimeo adding to that list.

  • Jon

    Ok now add pornhub ;)

    • Actually not adding pornhub overall breaks the net neutrality rules.

      • isaac bejjani

        Your response shows a profound lack of understanding as to what net neutrality is, it would not break those rules in any way as the program is completely optional.

  • Cole

    What about uploading videos? If my device is communicating with YouTube, does T-Mobile discriminate which way the video is going.