Los Angeles, Chicago and Houston among major T-Mobile markets having their AWS 3G/4G networks shut down this summer

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Some of you may be aware already that T-Mobile – as part of its network modernization process – is shutting down its AWS HSPA+ network in a number of markets this year. As it builds out its LTE network, T-Mo wants to recycle its older network technology. This move has actually been planned for some time now, but there are some pretty big markets having their AWS 1700/2100 4G/3G (U2100) networks shut-down now, or very soon.

We received a number of questions about this from affected customers in Los Angeles and Chicago, so we’ve done a little digging. Some of our readers in Chicago starting seeing HSPA+ disappear from their phones over the past few days. And there’s good reason for that. The Windy City’s AWS HSPA shutdown date was June 18th (yesterday).

Here’s a full lowdown on the markets having their AWS 3G/4G networks shut down this year:

  • Indianapolis – February 25th
  • Louisville – May 18th
  • Chicago – June 18th
  • Houston – July 15th
  • Los Angeles – July 22nd
  • Albuquerque – July 25th
  • El Paso – July 25th
  • Oklahoma City – July 27th
  • Savannah (Jacksonville) – July 27th
  • Baton Rouge (Mobile) – July 27th
  • Columbus (Atlanta) – July 27th
  • Griffin (Atlanta) – July 27th
  • Charleston (Carolina) – July 27th
  • Kansas City – August 3rd
  • Roanoke (Virginia) – August 3rd
  • St. Louis – August 5th
  • Nogales (Phoenix) – August 10th
  • Madera (Sacramento) – August 10th
  • Boise City (SLC) – August 10th
  • Del Rio & Kingsville (Austin) – August 10th
  • Miami – August 20th
  • Laredo (Austin) – August 20th
  • Biloxi, Hattiesburg (Mobile) – August 20th
  • Anniston, AL (Birmingham) – August 20th

There’s a chance that a handful of you will be affected by the changes, but I’m presuming most of our readers have LTE capable phones by now. If not, you should definitely consider upgrading. Customers with any of the devices in the list below, or with an RS1 signal booster will need to upgrade.

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On the plus side, if you are impacted by this network shutdown, T-Mobile is offering you the chance to upgrade to a compatible phone for free. If you have one of the Android phones from the list above, you should be able to upgrade to an Alcatel OneTouch Pop Astro without paying. If you have a BlackBerry, T-Mobile will let you upgrade to a BlackBerry Classic for free. If you have a tablet from the list above you can upgrade to an Alcatel OneTouch Pop 7. Old Hotspot customers are eligible for a free T-Mobile 4G LTE HotSpot Z915 while signal booster customers can get the 4G LTE signal booster.

[EDIT – It’s worth noting that the BlackBerry Classic is only available as an upgrade for business  (T-Mobile @Work) customers.

What’s more, if you don’t like any of the free devices, you can receive $100 off another device providing you upgrade with EIP.

In the days leading up to your market’s HSPA shutdown you should receive a text saying something to the effect of “Due to network upgrades, you may need a new phone by [shutdown date] to use 4G data speeds. You can receive a free LTE Device from T-Mobile. Call 611”. In some markets listed, you may have already received this text.

We reached out to T-Mobile who told us the following:

“Yes, to ensure customers receive the best 4G LTE experience, we are offering free device upgrades to our customers based on the device they currently use. Customers eligible for these devices will be notified before the network upgrade. Upgrades will vary depending on the customer, who can receive a free device when they visit a participating T-Mobile retail store or call 611 prior to the AWS migration.”

If you’re still using an older 4G/HSPA device, be sure to call customer care in the weeks leading up to your market shutdown date to get upgraded to a more modern handset. If you have an LTE phone and you’re wondering why you no longer get the little “4G” or “H+” symbol in your status bar – now you know. It’s nothing to worry about. T-Mobile just wants to make its LTE network better by sacrificing its previous generation network airwaves.

Let us know if you’ve been impacted by any of this, or if you’ve taken advantage of the free upgrade.

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  • Does this mean that HSPA/HSPA+ is being shut down or is it moving to the PCS band at a slower speed? I ask because it’s an useful fallback where the LTE signal is weak, especially as a decent intermediary step before falling back all the way to EDGE.

    • Cam Bunton

      None of the communications I saw mentioned anything about moving to PCS. It sounds like they’re pumping all the spectrum in to LTE.

      • besweeet

        If that’s the case, then that’s terrible news. HSPA/HSPA+ is still an excellent fallback from LTE, especially considering it’s noticeably stronger than AWS & PCS LTE (and PCS EDGE is much stronger than both of them). Now people will be getting EDGE in places they used to get HSPA/HSPA+ where LTE was too weak to connect.

        • Cam Bunton

          Just read a few more bits around the forums, looks like 15+15 wideband went live in Chicago, like yesterday. Soo.. there’s that. lol

        • Jay J. Blanco

          Tmobile has 15mhz for LTE on AWS and 15mhz PCS so they probably are using 10mhz PCS for HSPA and 5mhz for Edge

          They have a total of 30mhz of spectrum holdings.

      • Jay J. Blanco

        That would be horrible what kind of logic is that?

    • Jay J. Blanco

      T-mobile needs PCS band 2. That’s the whole point of Modernization at least the old one they started

    • I think HSPA on PCS will be around for a while yet if you’re in an area where it’s already there. But if you’re not, I doubt they’ll add it now.

  • Esteban Trabajador

    Why doesn’t this include my Apple iPhone 3GS? It still works well for me but the shut down is going to skrew me… Or anyone with non LTE iPhones. Please anyone.

    • besweeet

      The iPhone 3GS doesn’t support band 4/AWS 3G/4G, just band 2/PCS. If you’re already getting T-Mobile 3G on an iPhone 4s or below, nothing will change.

  • besweeet

    When you mentioned “Savannah (Jacksonville),” is that including
    Savannah, Georgia in addition to Jacksonville, FL? Jacksonville is
    already using a 20×20 AWS setup and still has some leftover for AWS
    HSPA/HSPA+. We already have some PCS HSPA/HSPA+, too.

    • Cam Bunton

      WE GOT ALL THE BANDS!!! (In answer to your question, I don’t know specifically.)

    • JAXtmoluvr

      Yes I was also wondering this. I’m in JAX. 25+25 AWS LTE???

      • besweeet

        I don’t think anything beyond 20×20 is possible without carrier aggregation, which would need to combine AWS and PCS.

  • PoppaCooldown

    does the nexus 4 have lte? thought it was only hspa+ but isnt on the list. Dad just paid his off and he is going to be ticked if he has to upgrade to keep his data lol

    • besweeet

      It does, but you have to manually turn it on, which takes a few simple steps.

    • Justin Smith

      It only supports band 4(1700/2100) through the manual turn on. So rural coverage will be a no go.

    • Logan C.

      pretty sure it supports other HSPA bands

    • archerian

      turning on LTE on the Nexus 4 is not really worth it, you can literally see the battery % decrease before your eyes.

      • cloud strife

        It’s ok if you have powerbank or an electric outlet you can use nearby. But yeah, the lack of filter & amplifier makes it a vampire.

    • It will transparently jump to 1900 if they have HSPA on it in your area.
      Otherwise you can unlock it and flash the radio for AWS LTE.

  • Brian Decker

    I hope this means that LTE signals will improve. At work, I get a strong HSPA signal, but struggle to get an LTE signal. It would be sad to end up with a less reliable signal because of this change.

    • Cam Bunton

      Yeah, in the markets where the HSPA/HSPA + networks are being shut down, LTE should improve.

  • SirStephenH

    Now if they could just set an EDGE (2G) shutdown date…

    • Justin Smith

      Yes!

    • besweeet

      Why? EDGE signal is much stronger than their HSPA and LTE frequencies. Without it, you’ll have no service in more places than ever.

  • SeVeN

    This is way too premature to start shutting down 3G/4G AWS! T-Mobile even today sells some budget phones that are AWS HSPA only with no LTE and no PCS HSPA support…They should be reserving a small sliver of AWS HSPA spectrum in all markets like they do with PCS EDGE!

    • Justin Smith

      If they did that LTE in many of these markets is getting too congested to not shut down AWS.

    • Jay J. Blanco

      Actually most newer phones support band 2 HSPA. So they’ll be okay as the article say they’ll get free upgrades

    • Adrayven

      Umm.. That old 3G/4G spectrum is turned into LTE in the same range/areas. Their is really no ‘graceful’ way of doing it and it benefits everyone because it increases their LTE significantly. It’s gotta be done.

      Sometimes you need to pull the bandaid ..

      • SeVeN

        I agree that it needs to be done eventually but it’s still too early. There are customers still paying off EIP payments on AWS HSPA only devices. This complete shutdown shouldn’t be happening until after PCS EDGE is shutdown.

        • Fabian Cortez

          Those EIP phones also support PCS HSPA (U1900).

    • Stefan Naumowicz

      I’m pretty sure all tmobile phones have support for 1900mhz hspa so that they can roam on AT&T

      • SeVeN

        Except they sadly won’t roam on AT&T unless there’s no native T-Mobile coverage which there still would be…PCS EDGE.

        • Stefan Naumowicz

          Right, but T-Mobile will still offer 4G on the PCS band which all or at leqst most phones should support

        • SeVeN

          Yes, as long as T-Mobile is making sure that HSPA on PCS is available in these markets where they are shutting off HSPA on AWS they should be OK. But the concern is I don’t see that being stated.

        • Fabian Cortez

          U1900 came with modernization (LTE).

  • Michael Tran

    no nexus 4 on the list? It’s not not officially an LTE device.

    • 50atomic

      It supports PCS 4G HSPA+.

    • Nexus 4 works well with HSPA on 1900.
      And if you’re not in an HSPA-1900 market then you’re either reflashing the radio for LTE or switching to AT&T ;^)

    • cloud strife

      Maybe because it can survive on 1900. Those listed don’t.

      • Michael Tran

        Ah I’m getting confused with hspa and hspa+ aren’t I?

        • dontsh00tmesanta

          they are both the same but they may be keeping hspa+ on pcs 1900 band

        • fr

          1900 is just a frequency, it can have anything on it.

        • Michael Tran

          So would the HTC radar be eligible? It’s 3g is on 1700 and 2100. It uses 1900 for 2g. Thanks

        • 50atomic

          No, it actually has UMTS 1900.

        • Michael Tran

          I this on T-Mobile website
          Network
          2G/3G/4G Capable
          850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)

          Umts is only 1700 and 2100 for the radar right?

        • 50atomic

          Check out HTC’s website

          GSM/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900, UMTS 1700/2100/ AWS, UMTS 2100, 1900, 850 (Tmobile)

        • Michael Tran

          Thanks!

        • 50atomic

          FCC docs also confirm PCS 1900 testing.

  • Jay J. Blanco

    I’m glad they are moving forward I’m so tired of AWS HSPA. But too bad my market stI’ll has no date. Columbia, SC has 1900, AWS HSPA which is crazy they modernized half way for some reason. LTE speeds suckered hopefully by December AWS HSPA will be history.

  • Mike

    on a semi unrelated note…there are a couple lines on my family plan that do not yet have lte capable phones, but we are not located in any of those areas listed in the article. Would they still be eligible for an lte upgrade, or no? I understand they are providing that as a service to people that will essentially lose their network connection due to the modernization of the network in those areas. Just am wondering if this is an opportunity for them to get an lte upgrade for free.

    • Logan C.

      No. You’re only going to be eligible for reimbursement if you lose something.

  • Kevin

    Pop 7 tablet doesn’t support LTE, how is it a suitable replacement? They should replace my Pop 7 with the LG G Pad

    • Logan C.

      Pop 7 supports other HSPA bands. This isn’t you getting a bunch of free stuff because you hold onto your devices, this is “this doesn’t work anymore, have the cheapest thing that works”

  • Georgios Renieris

    So when there is no LTE do you get knocked down to edge now that they are getting rid of the other one.

    • 50atomic

      There will probably still be PCS 4G DC-/HSPA+

      • dontsh00tmesanta

        Thats what im guessing

  • Michael Tran

    windows phones eligible?

    • 50atomic

      HTC HD7

  • Tito

    Boise City (SLC) — does that mean to include Salt Lake City, UT?
    Because reception there needs to improve vastly.

  • 50atomic

    Here are the new AWS LTE bandwidths for the upgraded markets:
    Indianapolis [10+10]
    Louisville [10+10]
    Chicago [15-15]
    Houston [20+20]
    Los Angeles [20+20]
    Albuquerque [20+20]
    El Paso [20+20]
    Oklahoma City [15+15]
    Savannah (Jacksonville) [10+10]
    Baton Rouge (Mobile) [10+10]
    Columbus (Atlanta) [10+10]
    Griffin (Atlanta) [10+10]
    Charleston (Carolina) [10+10]
    Kansas City [15+15]
    Roanoke (Virginia) [15+15]
    St. Louis [15+15]
    Nogales (Phoenix) [10+10]
    Madera (Sacramento) [10+10]
    Boise City (SLC) [20+20]
    Del Rio & Kingsville (Austin) [10+10]
    Miami [20+20]
    Laredo (Austin) [10+10 and 5+5]
    Biloxi, Hattiesburg (Mobile) [10+10]
    Anniston, AL (Birmingham) [15+15]

    • Henry Pham

      In Los Angeles with 20+20 per post. I know that 20+20 means that the speeds should be blazing fast, but I’m wondering if any phone with AWS LTE will be able to take advantage of that speed? I have the Moto X (2013). Or do I have to look for a certain phone? Thanks.

      • 50atomic

        Yup, all current AWS LTE users will benefit.

        • Henry Pham

          Thanks!

      • Jay J. Blanco

        Not all of them espicaly of they are unlocked. they have to be Category 4. Which most t-mobile newer phones supports.

  • hanfeedback

    Very good to know Houston will be going to 20×20, we’re at 15×15 now it seems to be enough but 20×20 is even better, not so much as far as speedtests since I dont care about those but to eliminate any possible congestion.

  • dontsh00tmesanta

    awesome….since madera definately needs but does it also have pcs hspa?

    • marcoz08

      Yes it does.

  • gmo8492

    I actually have an old Dell Venue Pro that my friend gave me a couple of years ago, I wonder if I qualify for a free upgrade if I bring it in.

  • Hollywood J Blaq

    Holy crap that’s a list of phones I care not to remember.

    LG G2X, Samsung Memoir, and any T-Mobile Moto Device with Moto Blur…….memories…mostly bad ones. The G2X is what made me stay away from any LG phone up until the G2.

    Days of long ago……

    • Chris

      Omg that whole G2X debacle…that was hilarious and embarrassing for LG

      • Mike

        Worst phone ever. I won’t even consider LG at all. They burned me…and won’t get my dough ever again.

  • fencepost

    I’m going to have to check which phone my wife has and see if she qualifies for one of those free upgrades. Only problem is that she’s a die-hard physical keyboard user – are there even any LTE phones with a physical keyboard?

    • Roberto Jaimes

      Blackberry is the only one.

    • Qmc

      Lg optimus f3q and crack berry

    • Ron Lawrence

      The Alcatel Astro supports USB OTG once you install/flash a modified kernel. She could then attach a USB keyboard to the phone using an OTG adapter cable.

    • Car Hound

      If she’s a PKB lover, she should love the Blackberry Classic.

  • Chris

    My HTC G1 :(

    • Trevnerdio

      Aww, we love the G1! :(

  • WaarrEagle

    Does the Samsung Galaxy S need to be replaced? I believe it supports 4G but not LTE.

    • taron19119

      Yes it does

      • 50atomic

        Samsung Vibrant?

        • steveb944

          Vibrant is the Galaxy S, same device. So yes.

    • lynyrd65

      The vibrant supports PCS HSPA so you don’t have to upgrade but i probably would to get LTE.

  • Diver Dan

    What about TMO’s stinkin EDGE network that has
    the back-haul speed of two tin cans tied together with a string? I can’t drive
    between Chicago and Champaign/Urbana Illinois without dropping down to EDGE
    when I leave either city. The EDGE is so bad I can’t even retrieve e-mail. Quit
    tinkering with urban areas and go fix your rural problem.

    • cellularcrazy09

      They are. Slowly but surely. I get LTE all the way from Charleston to Charlotte now. I used to drop to edge frequently and couldn’t stream music on my trip. It’ll get there. Just be patient.

      • Diver Dan

        Hey Crazy glad to hear you can make your trip all the way on LTE. Need more success stories like this!

    • Stefan Naumowicz

      Are you sure your device supports band 2 LTE and hspa?

      • Diver Dan

        I wish that was my problem-I just needed a new phone. My iPhone 5s supports bands 2 and 4. TMO also has no 700 Mhz spectrum in Illinois. So if I have to wait for that to materialize I think the Illinois EDGE will be around for a while.

        • Ryan Carnes Ofs

          Illinois does has 700 Mhz but it’s all in southern Illinois.

    • Weazyw

      Preach Dan I can’t stand it as someone who makes the drive weekly. I keep a verizon hotspot so I can have wifi calling.

  • Uri

    why does Chicago have a minus on AWS LTE [15-15] I see every city with plus?

    • Stefan Naumowicz

      Just a typo

  • a d00d

    Just to add another device to the list, the famous Nokia N900 tablet does HSPA+ only on Band-4 AWS. Once the shutdown occurs, you’ll be stuck using GSM/EDGE on Band 2 PCS or, if you’re lucky, the cellular (850 MHz) band. This applies to a lot of early TMo USA devices that would only do UMTS on the AWS band, before the explosion of bands pretty much forced research into making multi-band radios that actually worked half-way decent.

    It’s been a long road to get to the devices we have today that literally do a dozen bands or more with multiple modulation types and, on the really high end ones, MIMO and beam-forming on the handset!

    Oh, and Dan, GSM/EDGE will almost certainly go away for the same reason that UMTS/HSPA is going away: it’s makes an underutilized “wall” in a block of spectrum that limits how wide a channel can be. A contiguous block of, say, 10 MHz will be able to more more data than 2 discontiguous blocks of 5 MHz using carrier aggregation. This is why the newest LTE versions support 100 MHz blocks even though we’re likely nowhere near being able to deploy them.

    • cloud strife

      I still have the n900 as a back up phone. The thought of it makes me sad that. I was so happy back then when it’s very rare to have a non tmo phone that supports AWS.

    • T-Mobile has only one license in the 850 MHz band in SC.

      • Jay J. Blanco

        The need to use it for 3G Myrtle Beach building strip your service when you inside and sometimes WiFi is horrible so you’ll be in a black hole

  • Cam Fas

    I wonder if Vegas is going to be upgraded soon service here has been flickering a lot lately on my phone and iPad the same thing happened right before we went from 10+10 to 15+15 and speeds were insane got 92mbs last week wonder if they just are preparing the city but haven’t announced it for 20+20

  • Cam Fas

    Another question is if someone has a regular iPhone 5 or 5s does it mean when they go to make a call the phone goes to edge for the call or will they get software to make all volte?

    • Jrunner

      You’ll have coverage still for calls on the 1900 PCS band. The 4G is still running on there along with Edge. Indy switched over several months ago and still works fine. Not going away anytime soon.

  • Marco

    Grr i broke my old Blackberry 9900 2 weeks ago but putting a sim card adapter in and pulling one of the pins out, i should of waited:) I wonder if they will take the 9780 if its all scratched up on the front but still works.

    • stluser

      i also ruined a phone by using that sim card adapter. then the repair guy told me to just use the microsim without it. you have to position it in the center of the sim slot and it will work and not move.

  • PHL

    A week ago, I would have thought this was a great thing. However, I started a new job this week and I’m seeing my phone drop from LTE to plain 4G along several major freeways in LA/North OC. I have no idea why this is. When I worked in central/south OC, I never had any problems with LTE coverage.

    • turtle6988

      You will still have 4G. T-Mobile has to different 4G networks. One in the AWS band which they are shutting down and one in the PCS band that is not being shut down.

  • sidekicker89

    I’ve been asking for awhile: why is T-Mobile still selling HSPA+ only devices on their website?

    • gabmasterjcc

      I agree that they should try to drop them, it would simplify their phone offerings and allow a greater variety of LTE phones. One thing to note here, this doesn’t mean they won’t have HSPA+ in those areas. It just means it won’t be on the AWS band. I bet all of them will have it available on the PCS band. For example, my HTC One S isn’t on that list. It does HSPA+ on PCS. If any of those areas didn’t have PCS, I bet that devices and others like it would be on the list as well.

      I will go one further, why are they selling any LTE phones without Band 12? Obviously they won’t stop selling the iPhone, but the others should be dropped and there are enough models from different manufacturers that to fill in the gaps…

      • I’ve been wondering the same thing. I knew this day would come. They must have just figured they’d replace everyone’s phones later.

        I don’t see why they would keep selling Faux-G phones once they got 3.9G LTE live.

    • RJKMadison

      Hopefully, everything they sell that is HSPA+ (UMTS) support B2 (1900) as well. UMTS is still much better for voice calls than Edge, since TMO has very few handsets that support VoLTE.

  • Marco

    another ? what if u buy a used bb from tmobile on amazon , can u use it a a free upgrade?

    • eanfoso

      Difficult to say bro

  • honestabe

    Shouldn’t the HP Stream 8 tablet with 4G HSPA+ be added to this list?

  • Danny Lewis

    Wow, just think, if Sprint was doing this, it would be announced, but wouldn’t happen for another decade.

    • Tim Engen

      haha. why because WImax didnt pan out? that was on clearwire not sprint. clearwire when broke and, left sprint in the dark. end of story

      • Danny Lewis

        No, I was referring to Sprint’s slow phase out of Nextel’s IDEN network.

  • JJ

    Will the Concord II continue to work in these markets? TIA

  • TmoTilIDie

    Why does Laredo have Austin next to it in parentheses?
    Laredo and Austin are about 5 hours apart so does anyone know why it’s got Austin in parentheses near it?
    Unless it mean the Laredo in Texas in case there’s more than one Laredo in the USA?
    Thanks in advance if you can answer my question.

    • gabmasterjcc

      It is probably some sort of central office for Laredo. There are multiple Laredo’s (although I always thing Texas), so it is to distinguish which one. They did that with several, like Columbus (Atlanta). It really should just read Laredo (Texas) and Columbus (Georgia) in my opinion.

    • Five hours? I often do it in 3 to 3.5h.

  • Dan Lupescu

    Can I just bring in my old mytouch 4g that I don’t use anymore so I have the Alcatel as a backup?

    • Jeffrey Wang

      Why not?

  • TJ Fox

    $100 credit is not an option. … asked for that today and 611 knew nothing about it. Insisted I had to take the Astro but then offered to overnight it free. Rep said he talked with manager and the only option was to take the replacement phone.

    • gmo8492

      Did they ask you to mail the old phone in or do you have to take it to a Tmo retail store?

      • TJ Fox

        They don’t care about the old phone.

        • gmo8492

          So I could just straight up lie…lol

        • TJ Fox

          Well they knew I had a Samsung Gravity 2 and had sent me a letter a fee weeks ago explaing the network changes and offering a free replacement phone.

        • gmo8492

          Thanks for the information, I’ll try my luck then.

  • Jon

    T-Mobile USA does not, has never, and can never run a U2100 network. They run a U1700 and U1900, but the U2100 band is not a band that can be used in the United States.

    • Jon

      On that note, it would probably help to calm the more paranoid around here if they were reminded anywhere in the article that HSPA on the PCS band (U1900) is still alive and well, and will be the single official HSPA band going forward.

      • Jeff

        Speaking as a T-Mobile field tech, we absolutely do run a U2100 network. The AWS spectrum is broken up between the 1700 MHz band and the 2100 MHz band.

        • Cruise Guy

          Jeff. There are so many areas with zero LTE and strong HSPA. Will the HSPA be shut off, or how will T-Mobile fill those gaps, say, in the LA market? Will the HSPA be shut off or simply switched to LTE?

        • Jeffrey Wang

          This repurposing is only occurring in the areas in the list above, where LTE is available as well. In places with strong HSPA+ 42 and no LTE, the HSPA+ 42 is available in AWS and PCS.

        • archerian

          I understand what you mean, the OP likely meant UMTS Band 1.

        • Anonymouse

          but its useless if it’s not paired to 1700. thats why phones that only support Band 1 UMTS/HSPA will never work on TMUS.

    • Fabian Cortez

      “U2100” is their internal name for AWS since 2100 is the downlink frequency.

    • mlody

      Is someone able to confirm if this impacts iPhone 4s? My daughter has ATT unlocked version and I believe that phone is not LTE capable as at the best she was getting 4G signal. Will this mean that not her phone at best will receive 2G (edge) service?

  • mingkee

    I still have couple of unlocked phone which support only B4 HSPA
    Nokia N900
    Pharos 137
    Plus
    Samsung T869
    I may be able to cash them in

    • The Galaxy Tab 7+ supports 3G on PCS.

    • eanfoso

      Nokia n900 supports band 2 hspa

      • mingkee

        N900 only supports B1, B4, and B8 HSPA (900, AWS, IMT).

  • silverhawknike

    What about Galaxy S Relay 4G or Galaxy S3? Or other Tmobile “4G” smartphone?

    • Mike Palomba

      The Galaxy s3 has LTE I believe

      • Richard j

        There were 2 versions of he Galaxy S3, the first T999 did not have LTE.

    • RJKMadison

      Relay reported to support 1900 (B2), so it should be fine.

  • Joey

    What about the Galaxy T989 S2 (Good Condition) does that qualify for the free upgrade??

    • eanfoso

      No, it has access to pcs 1900

  • Car Hound

    What about the Lumia 521–I’m pretty sure it’s HSPA only.

    • Dylan Romero

      It will still pick up HSPA on 1900 MHz. They are only shutting it down on 1700 MHz. That is why a lot of HSPA only phones are not on the list above in the article. Only phones that only support 1700 will be affected.

      • Car Hound

        Ah, thanks.

      • Correction, only phones that support LTE only in the AWS band will be affected.

        • eanfoso

          How would LTE be affected if they’re shutting down hspa?

        • You know what? You’re right. It’s been a long week…

        • Fabian Cortez

          I just saw this post of yours. Yes, you got it.

  • cloud strife

    They should’ve kept it a little longer or at least leave 10% for 3g for now. Just a fallback or for the old phones at least by year 2020. By that time, 5g might already exist and 4g is the norm. By that time too, most people already got newer phones to use & at least support 4g.

    • Fabian Cortez

      3G/4G still exists.

      Instead of being on AWS it’s on PCS just like AT&T.

      • cloud strife

        I know but what I mean is keep even a small fraction of AWS alive for now for those phones that doesn’t support PCS. At least by let’s say year 2020, most people moved on with new phones that supports PCS 3g and AWS 4g.

        • As far as I know, all phones sold by T-Mobile in the past few years are capable of 3G on both bands 2 and 4.

        • Fabian Cortez

          Yes, in fact, there’s a nice chart in the article in case anyone missed it.

        • Fabian Cortez

          This transition only affects some phones incapable of LTE on band 2.

          No. This transition only affects some phones incapable of UMTS (W-CDMA)/HSPA on Band 2. Not LTE.

    • SteveD

      You can’t keep “just a little” AWS around.. The spectrum was re-purposed to LTE. In order for that to work you can’t have ANY left.
      Unfortunately it’s an all or nothing proposition.

  • Mike

    What about LG L90 ?
    It is a 4G device.

    • mingkee

      It has B2

  • mrpickem

    Savannah (Jacksonville) – July 27th

    What the hell does that mean? Jacksonville & Savannah are a hundred miles apart. Does that mean both? Plus Savannah pop ~100000 & Jacksonville ~700000…what kind of edit/reporting is this? Hopefully TMobile news content can improve to what it used to be when the new leadership takes over.

    • Stone Cold

      Means the old network AWS is being shut down. Not that you are losing service it is just that the new network will be handling your calls and data

  • Zach Chadwick

    Shutdown all of 2G, EDGE. I Would Rather Have No Cellular Data, than Edge Teasing me to Even Attempt to Stream iTunes Radio on Road Trips.

    • eanfoso

      Speak for yourself, there’s a lot of edge where I live and hey being able to send messages and make calls is much better than being on the road with no connection

      • iMotoXperiaGalaxy

        LOL defending EDGE is laughable. Get real!

        Haha!

    • Trevnerdio

      Or even checking the weather using the widget…it’ll fail several times before it gets your data (the timeout is 30 seconds, btw, so that should tell you something…)

    • Tim Engen

      That will happened Ive heard 2G has to be shutdown on all carriers but, 2017.

  • Wallou

    Are old iPhones not affected, such as the 3GS or 4S?

    • Mike Palomba

      if it supports band 2 then no it won’t be, if it’s not on the list it should sill work

    • Moby

      Those phones never had AWS HSPA.

  • I wonder how this change will affect, if at all, placing and receiving calls. Without VOLTE, calls go through UMTS. If UMTS is not present in the same band as LTE, the phone will have to switch one radio on and the other off. Methinks that thisl probably be handed off seamlessly and without significant impact on battery life, as long as only one radio remains on during the call.

    • Robert Dunn

      Don’t worry. It all works seamlessly. I am using an international LG G4 (not the T-Mobile variant with AWS HSPA) that runs on 1900Mhz PCS HSPA and I also get T-Mobile LTE on Band 4 (AWS) and the transition from LTE TO HSPA whenever I make calls is smooth and seamless

  • George Norman

    Does anyone know if my Nexus 4 will be impacted? Should I sell it right away its been great value and phone-Thanks-George-SLC-UT

    • Was it ever sold by T-Mobile? Yes. Is it listed in the nice chart in the article? No, then it won’t.

      • George Norman

        Thanks for the reply-unlocked from Google

        • Alvin Brinson

          Yes, it will be impacted. I’m not sure why it wasn’t on the list. T-Mobile did sell them as well. I would recommend doing the LTE Hack on it, which unlocks the LTE radio and thus it will continue to be able to get data and LTE signal.

        • George Norman

          do you have the best link for the LTE hack-Thanks -George

        • Adan Adkin

          The Nexus 4 has PCS HSPA+, it will continue to work after AWS HSPA+ goes away, which is why it is not in the list.

        • George Norman

          Thanks for clarifying-George-SLC-UT

        • mreveryphone

          You can go to the playstore and search nexus 4 lte modem

        • TechHog

          You’ll still get PCS HSPA+. That’s why it’s not on the list. You don’t need the LTE hack

        • dalex7777

          I’m on Lollipop and I’ve tried the LTE hack and it doesn’t seem to work.

        • TechHog

          It’s not on the list because it’s compatible with PCS HSPA+.

  • J.J.

    i have a samsung gravtiy t (eligible) on a extra line. i live close to/travel to indy and chicago frequently. called cs who would do nothing for me since my billing address is not in those cities. i guess they assume people only stay in one city.

    • eanfoso

      Call a store in those cities Man

      • J.J.

        maybe but it seems like their billing address issue would still pop up

        • Golbez352

          All AWS offers are flagged by the system, reps cannot apply this for
          anyone and yes billing address would have to fall within the area
          affected by the change, your address may fall within a later AWS transfer, since it’s not being done all at once i think. If you qualify you will get a sms on your phone.

        • Moby

          Will these phones on a prepaid line get an offer as well?

        • J.J.

          I’m aware now. But unfortunately that won’t help me when I travel to those places with that phone

  • UMA_Fan

    Had no idea they were shutting down AWS HSPA+

    Really good move though. Unlike Sprint who will hug onto their 3G CDMA voice for many years to come T-Mobile is willing to salvage old tech for the future.

    • eanfoso

      So is Verizon though

      • iMotoXperiaGalaxy

        Ppl here only cry Sprint which they feel less intimidated by compared to the Almighty Big Red God of Wireless, VERIZON!!

        Haha!

        • Jay Holm

          Verizon is nothing but a marketing machine, I was with them for 3yrs, very unimpressed.

      • UMA_Fan

        But Verizon has already deployed VoLTE on iPhone 6

        • eanfoso

          Which is more of a reason to get rid of CDMA yet they won’t

        • orlando duran

          Verizonn started the transition to gsm in feb of this year

    • superg05

      yeah it’s great there scrapping it

    • Tim Engen

      sprint will add somepoint do away with CDMA. I like CDMA better than VOLTE. VOLTE uses your data while on phones and, sending text. CDMA voice doesnt do that.

      • UMA_Fan

        No operator in the U.S. is counting VoLTE calls towards their data bucket.

  • Eric

    So it means that my phone Xperia z when I place a call it will fall to 2g? That sucks

    • Jay J. Blanco

      No they are replacing AWS HSPA with PCS HSPA. You’ll be fine

      • Eric

        Xperia z I believe doesn’t have band 2.

    • Vontae Everton

      So new phone

  • iMotoXperiaGalaxy

    Never liked HSPA+ anyway. Now I hope they get rid of that ghetto prepaid brand “Go Smart”.

    Haha!

    • eanfoso

      T-ghetto isn’t getting rid of it’s subsidiaries

      • Vontae Everton

        So get a new phone

  • eanfoso

    So people at my local store don’t know jack, how am I to bring this up if it doesn’t have a source?

    • iMotoXperiaGalaxy

      Never go to the local store for information not regarding phones or plans or retail pricing. 98% of T-Maybe reps are not tech savvy or know anything besides selling what’s in front of them. You better off going to legit T-Mobile support forums or direct message T-Mobile on twitter. This site is not really good either becuz it’s SUPER fanboyish and Hella biased.

      Haha!

      • orlando duran

        I moto. …lol you are a tool, gtfo

        • Fabian Cortez

          We stopped feeding him a while back.

    • Jay J. Blanco

      They don’t read anything on here most times lol they just go by what management says

    • Cam Bunton

      Yeah, on this one, I’d advise going through customer care.

  • Jay J. Blanco

    T-Mobile is shutting down AWS HSPA and replacing it with PCS HSPA.

    • superg05

      there shifting it to lte only

      • SirStephenH

        *they’re*

    • Sushimane

      Is it everything hspa network including the hspa+42?

  • kmand

    What about Galaxy S 4G (T959)?

    • Adam

      And my vibrant t959 and t959v ??

    • RJKMadison

      If it’s true that they are just shifting to 1900 (b2),the T959 and T959v will be fine.

  • Mel

    I have an LG Optimus T. Here are my specs: http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_t-3544.php or http://www.phonearena.com/phones/LG-Optimus-T_id4965

    LG Optimus is included in the list above, but obviously there’s multiple models of Optimus and the list does not specify which ones will loose service.

    Can anyone tell me if I need to replace my phone?

    I did receive a text message telling me to buy a new phone on 6/6, but I’ve contacted their customer service twice and both representatives assured me that I do not have to do so. But if that’s the case, then why did I get the text message and why is the “LG Optimus” included on the list above?

    Can anyone decipher my phone specs enough to tell me if I need a new phone, and if so, then how would I go about getting one, considering their customer service says I don’t need one?

  • Mel

    What about the LG Optimus T?

    Specs: http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_t-3544.php

    I got the “go buy a new phone” text message and “LG Optimus” is on the list above but customer service claims I do not need a new one. I’ve spoken to two different reps now.

  • Uri

    What is this means that AWS 3G/4G networks shut down and more LTE?

    • superg05

      yes spectrum will be better used for lte

      • Jay Holm

        Carrier aggregation!!! Bring on those 150-300mbps speeds!!!

  • Customer service and tech support has no idea as to this issue. They don’t even know what devices are affected. On the list here there is LG Optimus but does not specify the model number. I called to find out, nobody has the clue.

    • Jay Holm

      I’m not one bit surprised!

  • AlanHouston

    As of June 20, MetroPcs stores in Houston are still selling HSPA 3g phones that lack 4g LTE. They sell well as they cost only $20 to $50. In Houston, my Speedtest downloads on HSPA average 4mbps to 8mbps, compared with SLOWER 4g LTE speeds that average 3mbps to 6mbps.

    Metro runs on the T-Mobile network. So, someone buys a new HSPA phone on June 20, and on July 30 it becomes a paperweight. 2g in Houston will download email but is too slow for Spotify, Pandora and many websites.

    T-Mobile needs to stop selling HSPA only phones NOW and offer a full trade in credit to all customers who bought one in the past six months.

    • SirStephenH

      Most newer phones aren’t effected by this because they support HSPA+ in the PCS band which T-Mobile is leaving a tiny sliver of in these areas.

  • Raiterio Patterson

    This is a win-win for all parties involved. T-Mobile shuts down AWS-HSPA+ and get a chance to upgrade to new phone. For the record, AWS-HSPA(41) is being shut down or ALL HSPA?

    • Jason

      Im pretty sure they will keep residual GSM and HSPA on a portion of PCS 1900 for a while for international roamers, etc.

    • Alex Long

      Just AWS HSPA. They can’t shut down ALL HSPA for a long time from now because the PCS (1900) band with GSM/EDGE/UMTS is required for a large majority of phones for voice and SMS. Only the some of the smartphones released within the past year or two support VoLTE and don’t need GSM fallback.

      • Raiterio Patterson

        Thanks.

  • Raiterio Patterson

    Wait, I just checked Apple iPhone 5 bands on apple’s website and it only supports band 4 & 17…so that means I gotta sell it??

    • Jason

      iPhone 5 is LTE not HSPA

      • Raiterio Patterson

        Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up for me

      • SirStephenH

        Yeah but it still only supports band 4 LTE on T-Mobile so he should get an upgrade just for that reason alone. None of the iPhones have full band support on T-Mobile though so he’d have to buy an Android or hope that Apple “innovates” full band support in the iPhone 6S.

      • TMOTECH

        Not true. iPhone 5 supports HSPA, LTE. and GSM.

    • TMOTECH

      No no no… iPhone 5 supports band 4 and 17 for LTE. It supports band 4, and 2 for HSPA+. You will be fine. And the iPhone 6 does not support band 12 for LTE so don’t bother with an upgrade unless you just want a new phone.

      • Raiterio Patterson

        Thanks. Breathe a sigh of relief. I just spend ~$350 on a iPhone 5s 32GB, got a 64GB instead. I wanna hold on to it for awhile.

  • Cam Fas

    Imagine if all the pcs spectrum and aws spectrum and edge spectrum basically all spectrum was used on lte top to bottom front to back and side to side along with carrier aggregation guessing 500mbs would be possible

    • Jason

      Theyve already virtually done that. LTE on AWS, some LTE on PCS, and LTE on 700. All thats left is transitioning the remaining PCS spectrum at some point in the future.

      • Robert Dunn

        For now, it makes a whole lot of sense to refarm the remaining AWS HSPA to LTE. We already have AWS PCS and I’ve tested it in Miami and it works just as good as the old AWS HSPA

    • gmo8492

      Then all devices being sold today and in the near future need to be volte compatible or else they will have nothing to fall back on when making a phone call. I know that Tmo phones will be OK, but this would be detrimental to unlock devices that usually don’t have carrier specific features like this. Tmo and Google has to do a better of making these features available and ready to use on unlocked devices with stock software. So I don’t see any of this happening soon.

      • UMA_Fan

        And there’s your answer right there. It’s not an unlocked phone problem. It’s a Google problem.

        Look at the Apple iPhone which unlocked will support VoLTE with any carrier that supports it

        • gmo8492

          You really can’t bring the iPhone into this since it’s only one product line that can cope with pushing an update to most of its users. It the way that android it fragmented across all manufactures what makes it hard. Essentially Google has contributed to this problem but carriers should also pressure Google who provides the android source code to make necessary modifications to the OS to support this instead of individual OEMS.

  • seattleboi1982

    dont forget any connected device, or car.

  • Slickyrickyross

    Does anyone know if te Samsung Galaxy S3 (Non LTE model), T999, will be affected?

    • taron19119

      No u can use pcs band 2 for 3g/4g

  • slybacon

    What is meant by “Boise City (SLC)” in the list? Boise City is in Idaho, SLC (Salt Lake City, I presume) is in Utah. Are they considered part of the same 3G/4G network? They are a 4-hour drive apart from each other…

  • Robert Dunn

    It’s about time! A few years ago, they refarmed some PCS spectrum to HSPA and I’ve tested it with unlocked AT&T phones and it’s been working great. I’ve also noticed the AWS HSPA signal becoming weaker and not as fast over time and I think it’s about time that it be repurposed for LTE. It would improve speeds a lot.

  • Hiro

    http://i57.tinypic.com/2mcer6q.jpg

    Yesterday near downtown Fort Myers, FL (SW Florida) I was getting these speeds. Never before have I seen that here in Florida. My friend in the next town over (Cape Coral) also got LTE at his house finally, although only for a few moments. Sounds like network upgrades around here!

  • PiCASSiMO

    Can anyone confirm if T-Mobile will replace our back-up T-Mobile G2 and Samsung Dart phones for free with Alcatel OneTouch Pop Astro? We only use them when our primary phones crap out or are lost.

    • mingkee

      If it was HTC G2, you may get LG G Stylo.

      • PiCASSiMO

        Yes, HTC did make the phone and it was branded as the HTC Desire Z outside of the United States.

    • PiCASSiMO

      I’ve called up T-Mobile, and they would not do an upgrade for both of our back-up phones as neither phones have been active earlier and I didn’t get a text message about the free update. But they did circumvent the system by offering one (1) Pop Astro against both back-up phones.

      • Deibid

        I would suggest to use the backup phones for the next week or so, that way the system registers the IMEI as the device being used. Then try calling and say u have those old phones and try to get an upgrade.

      • JaswinderSinghJammu

        I think LG Leon is a better back up phone. It supports band 12 and it’s on sale at Best Buy for $79

        • gmo8492

          I would think he would want a back up phone provided that is completely free rather than buying one.

        • PiCASSiMO

          You are correct. They offered me $100 off another phone than the Pop Astro, which would have been $150 – $100 = $50 upgrade for the LG Leon through T-Mobile.

  • mingkee

    B4 HSPA will stay in NYC because B2 bandwidth is limited and B4 has 50MHz which is enough to let HSPA+LTE co-exist.

    • Tim Engen

      wonder what will happen with HSPA on AWS in Minnesota. twin cities has h+ still and, wideband LTE. its only 15X15 so it makesme wonder if AWS h+ will be shutdown to increase it to 20X20. Up north in Duluth Minnesota ive read that Tmobile LTE is only 5×5. so I could see them shutting H+ down up there to increase LTE.

  • Diego Anza

    I think the article could be clearer as to what is being done. By reading some of the comments it’s obvious that some readers are very confused by it. T-Mobile is NOT shutting down its HSPA network as the article may lead you to believe.

    In all the markets where AWS HSPA+ is being shut down now, PCS spectrum was already repurposed to provide both EDGE and HSPA+ so chances are that if you have a recent HSPA+ phone that supports PCS (or band 2, or 1900MHz, it’s all the same thing) your phone is already connecting to the new PCS HSPA+ network anyway so you won’t be able to tell the difference when they shut down the legacy AWS HSPA+.

    When they did the “modernization” T-Mobile reserved a little bit of AWS spectrum for HSPA+ (5 MHz) in order to provide compatibility with older phones which did not support HSPA+ on the PCS band. The rest of the available AWS spectrum was used to deploy the brand new LTE network. These AWS only phones are all ~4 year old models. T-Mobile knows that most people with those phones have upgraded to an LTE phone by now so it makes sense to use those 5MHz of AWS spectrum for additional LTE bandwidth and offer new LTE phones to the relatively low number of customers who still have an AWS only phone.

    After the update T-Mobile will continue to support EDGE and HSPA+ on the PCS 1900MHz band and LTE on the AWS 1700/2100MHz band and 700A band (or band 12) where available.

    The Pop Astro is a very decent budget phone, better than those 3-4 old devices, that supports LTE on both band 4 and 12 so you will get the best possible reception of your favorite network operator. It’s a great free upgrade if you ask me!

    • Pak T

      Ah, thanks a bunch for that update. Yes indeed the article is a bit misleading. I have a Samsung Galaxy S2 which of course at one time used to be the T-Mobile flagship model, so I was shocked to not see it on the list of phones customers would need to upgrade. But reading your post, I now see why. The GS2 can use HSPA+ on PCS 1900MHz (band 2 I think), so now I can stop panicking that my S2 will be on edge speeds for my upcoming vacation to California. Thanks again!

      • Diego Anza

        No worries!

    • WaarrEagle

      Agree that the article is not very clear on what to look for in terms of network compatability. Since you obviously understand this better than most, what about the Samsung SGH-T769? It looks to have 1900 and HSDPA+ so I think its okay for now?

      • Diego Anza

        If that’s the galaxy blaze I’m pretty sure it supports the PCS band so you’ll be fine

        • WaarrEagle

          Yes, thats the Blaze. Thanks!!!

    • Richard Roma

      Realistically, they should shut it all down and just stick to LTE. Leave 5mhz for WCDMA for a year and then that should be it. If they were to combine PCS, AWS and 700a for LTE, they would have a killer network. Add in lower band 600 and they are well on their way to challenging the two monopolies.

      • MastarPete

        I guess you missed the part of his post that said they’ve had 5mhz of AWS provisioned for WCDMA/HSPA when/since they deployed LTE. The whole reason this article was posted is because T-Mobile finally going in and turning off that last 5mhz of HSPA to make it’s AWS LTE only.

        In under a year, in markets they’ve shutoff HSPA on AWS, they’ll go back and shut off the remaining WCDMA/HSPA on 1900mhz meaning the majority of spectrum will be used for LTE. They haven’t officially announced a shutoff for GSM as far as I’ve seen.

  • Deibid

    nice..what phone are you using?

    • Hiro

      iPhone 6 Plus

  • anshephe

    I wonder what happens with people on the wall mart family mobile plan my mom has a hspa+ only phone

    • Fabian Cortez

      HSPA is on both AWS and PCS. Only AWS is shutting down in certain markets.

      • Richard Finzel

        Almost all of the HSPA network is on AWS, so she will need to buy a new phone. Unfortunately that is one of the reasons why it sucks to be on an MVNO

        • Fabian Cortez

          Almost all of the HSPA network is on AWS, so she will need to buy a new phone. Unfortunately that is one of the reasons why it sucks to be on an MVNO

          T-Mobile knows which markets have what spectrum deployed.

          With modernization (LTE) came HSPA over the PCS.

          The only markets where HSPA over AWS is being shutdown are listed within the article. These same markets have HSPA over PCS for fallback and all devices, except for the ones in the table in this article, will transition automatically without issue. In fact, they connect to PCS for HSPA all the time.

    • dontsh00tmesanta

      Some areas are pcs bu not all

  • Cam Fas

    Is there any site that shows how much spectrum and what frequencies tmoble has in Las Vegas ?

    • SirStephenH

      spectrumgateway.com

  • Kilroy672

    Bring back Carly.

    • Technosquid

      As much as I love Sarah Silverman and Chelsea Handler, that superbowl commercial was pretty lame. I’d rather see Carly round-house kick the AT&T girl (look-alike.) Catherine Zeta Jones could make a cameo, too. Why not? May next year.

  • SirStephenH

    According to the information you provided your phone only supports HSDPA (precursor to HSPA+ which can be used as a fallback) and UMTS (3G) in the AWS band (1700/2100). HSPA+/HSDPA/UMTS is being shutdown in the AWS band but will remain in the PCS band (1900). This shutdown should effect you if you’re in one of these areas.

    Try going to a T-Mobile store. Sometimes it’s better to have a face to face and stores in the effected areas probably have a bit more experience with this issue than some random customer service guy over the phone would.

  • Edgar Garcia

    I dont see the ZTE Zinger on the list which I got for my parents earlier this year. Anyone know if this phone is eligible?

    • Dylan Romero

      ZTE Zinger still supports HSPA on 1900 MHz.

  • RonJeezy

    In other news Lollipop 5.1.1 rolled out for The GS5!

  • Android_God

    what a blessing! The Firefox popup that interrupts and takes you away from where you were reading just to have you a s***** ad! God bless!

  • Methinks that an arguable result is that there’s going to be less bandwidth available to 3G and more to 4G after this transition is complete, since less spectrum is going to be used by 3G, assuming that today it’s on both AWS and PCS, and more by 4G, yes?

    • Robert Dunn

      Well, only the AWS 3G will be shut down, freeing it up for LTE. PCS 3G will still be available.

      • How wide will LTE be in each of those cities after refarming, 10+10, 15+15, 20+20?

        • Robert Dunn

          It depends on T-Mobile’s individual spectrum holdings in those markets, so I am not sure.

        • Diego Anza

          I think someone else posted a list of the upgraded bandwidths per market earlier

    • Diego Anza

      Which is OK as most new phones sold by T-Mobile support LTE. HSPA use will only decrease as the LTE user base increases. Eventually, most data traffic will be LTE so additional spectrum can be refarmed from HSPA to LTE. HSPA will have to be kept for a while though because they need a fallback for voice trafic until VoLTE becomes ubiquitous (but that’s a long way). Even then, it may make sense to keep a little bit of GSM and a little bit of HSPA left on band 2 for international roamers. LTE is being deployed on so many different frequency bands worldwide (and new ones keep being added, like AWS3 or the upcoming 600MHz spectrum) that it makes it very different for phone manufacturers to make a true LTE world phone.

  • Mark Cervantes

    will the iPhone 4 still work on the tmobile network for 3g use?

    • The iPhone 4 is 3G only and it doesn’t support the AWS band, so it should continue working fine.

  • remusrm

    I have a 4s from VZ unlocked. WIll this work ok? I noticed I get a lot of edge in most places.

    • Baxter DeBerry

      Your fine, this affects 1700 and 2100 not 1900mhz band

  • Bill Berry

    Didn’t see the Samsung Galaxy 3-T999 on that list. It sure is going to make these devices a whole lot cheaper. I’m going to assume EDGE will be available after the cutoff dates; I’m in the Columbus (Atlanta) area and while I use a HTC One M7-DE; I continue to use my SG3 for GPS and emergency backup. I must also admit it really is time to lay to rest the HTC HD2; what a great phone the Leo was.

    • Pak T

      See Diego Anza’s post for the full explanation, but in short the Galaxy S3 supports HSPA+ on the PCS 1900MHz band so you will still get (what T-Mobile calls “4G”) high speed data on that band, even if your model does not have LTE. Same with my now ancient S2.

      • Tommy

        I have the T999 and spoke with Customer Support and they told me that I had to get a different device in order to continue to use Data. they sent me a T999L for free.

        • Pak T

          Curious if they sent you one of the refurbished ones I see they are currently selling. If so, how is the quality as I have read iffy reports on the used phones they sell.

  • dontsh00tmesanta

    Any news on b12 for madera?

  • T.32

    Is there such a website for sprint

    • Tim Engen

      Sprint uses 1900 mhz band 25, 800 mhz band 26 and, 2.5 ghz band 41. band 25 and, 26 are across their whole footprint and, are still working on 41. vegas,mpls,Atlanta,orlando,houston,LA all have band 41. Theres other cities also.

  • jozefd14

    Is the LG Nexus 4 affected???

    • Aaron C

      I would assume unless you flashed it with the 4G radio.

      • jozefd14

        Do you also know why Las Vegas isn’t one of the cities that is affected?

    • Dylan Romero

      The Nexus 4 is not affected. It supports HSPA+ on 1900 Mhz (PCS/Band 2).

      • jozefd14

        I’m just curious why there’s no mention of Las Vegas in the shutdown… like is it a typo that they didn’t add Vegas to the list?

  • JoeyKhache

    Seeing some of the names of these phones brings back some terrible memories here at the store level :-(. So many issues, ughh…

  • fw

    any new info on the aws shutdown?

  • Drake Featherwing

    To do this, then to have the audacity to keep selling the old data plans on their mim.t-mobile.com website is beyond sickening. I’m in the process of getting a refund on the $40 I spent on their 3G/4G data so I can go elsewhere… It’s sickening the practices, and without notifying customers by email about this…

  • Ordeith

    and if you have a Windows device (phone or tablet) you are out of luck. Another way T-Mobile supports the duopoly.

    • Pak T

      Why would Windows devices be out of luck? If they are not on the list of phones (that T-Mobile has sold in the past) that are effected then they will still work either on LTE bands or the 1900MHz band 2 getting high speed HSPA+ data.

  • Connie

    T-mobile LTE in northeast El Paso is the worst ever!!!!!! It’s about 11-20kbps yes Kbps. In Albuquerque I get average speeds of 15-30 Mbps yes Mbps. I live in both cities about a week every month in El Paso and 3 weeks in Albuquerque. So if that’s the case El Paso is screwed. What I have been doing in El Paso is switching to Hdsp+ and it helps me get double the speeds of their LTE network (70-150kbps)… So unless they have some serious improvements for northeast El Paso soon I may go with another carrier because July 25th may have Uncarrier to mean noncarrier of high speed data in El Paso.

    • erick

      I live in far east El Paso and under the LTE band I get .2 – .3 max. Under the old wcdma band 1700 (4g non lte) I was able to reach 5-6 mbps. Not crazy fast but usable. Now that they eliminated the 1700 band I’m screwed. I can only get decent speeds when I get closer into the city. I’m definitely ditching tmobile unless soon if I don’t see the signal improve out here

  • erichola

    HSPA+ band 4 shut down confirmed.
    LTE band 4 bandwidth is 20 Mhz now.

    At Rosebowl in Pasadena, CA

    • Oscar OI

      How can I test it to see if it was shut down in west LA? Thx

    • So now we have 20X20 *and* Band 12 in LA. #fuckyeah

  • servantofjc

    I have the T Mobile 4G Mobile Hotspot I just called to request a replacement since my device is the 1st one on this list and I spoke to Sara employee number 123036 and she told me they are no longer doing this. I told her I just found out about it and would have contacted them sooner to request replacement however I never received notification. I asked her if she can not do anything to transfer me to a supervisor. She place me on hold and told me her supervisor wasn’t available to take my call at this time but will call me back within an hour.

    • servantofjc

      ps I am in the Los Angeles area which will be shut down July 22nd and today is July 13th. Note I called them before the shut down.

      • TitoMan 357

        You have to return First the old 4G Signal Booster single band (RS1)

        • servantofjc

          to return things you have to get a RMA number. I can’t even get that far. I called again and found out they are doing it in phases. I have to wait until my account gets flagged for the upgrade. What market are you in?

        • TitoMan 357

          Miami, Florida……
          Today at 8.07 PM T-Mobile send me a Tex Message

          “T-Mobile is upgrading the network in Miami on 08/20/2015 and your

          Signal Booster will no longer work. For a free Signal Booster call 611.”

        • Robert Dunn

          I’m in Miami too and I can’t wait to get 20×20 LTE like in Lee county (Ft. Myers). I got 98Mbps on a Speedtest there!

    • TitoMan 357

      Call and Ask for Technical Support ,,, Work for me

      Thank
      you for shopping with us. We thought you’d like to know that we shipped
      your return kit, and that this completes your order. If you need to
      manage other orders, check your order status at t-mobile.com/orderstatus.

      You will receive another update once the
      kit is delivered. Click here for easy-to-follow return instructions .

      Order summary

      Item name
      Quantity : 1
      4G Signal Booster single band (RS1) 1
      Sincerely,
      T-Mobile® Customer Service

    • TitoMan 357

      Ask for Technical Support and You have to return First the old 4G Signal Booster single band (RS1)

  • Guest

    It’s official! AWS HSPA+ / fauxG in Houston is out. My S6edge can no longer see it when forced to AWS band. Looking forward to fatter AWS LTE band in the future.

  • info411man

    His original post said “T-Mobile 4G Hotspot” not 4G Signal booster.

  • dontsh00tmesanta

    today is the day for madera…..how long did it take for the extra spectrum to take effect?

  • Robert

    I just moved from San Diego to Phoenix. T-Mobile data speeds are atrocious here in Phoenix on the T-Mobile ” network “. I have heard rumors there is an upgrade scheduled for Q1 2016.

    Data speeds are a mere 5% in Phoenix of the same testing in San Diego. That’s five percent!

    Help! Seriously considering switching from T Mobile to Verizon this week after 8 years with T-Mobile.

  • disqus_LfIZFSjZRN

    I received no notice. My phone (HTC MyTouch 4G slide) just went from 4G to 2G about a month ago and the T-mobile reps I spoke to on the phone and at the store did not know why. The rep I spoke to in person thought my phone might be becoming outdated, since 4 years is apparently ancient for a phone. I was not offered either a free phone or credit, and even if I was, I like my phone and find it wasteful to think that I’m suppose to now trash it, when it was working quite well (it is particularly irksome in that finding a phone with both a physical keyboard and a decent camera, which my phone had, is difficult). Definitely going to change carriers.

    • elconquistidor

      It’s 4 years old, move on.

  • Does anyone have an update on this for this year’s cities?

    More specifically, did they just hit Portland this week?