Spot the difference: Verizon’s old map of T-Mo LTE coverage vs. the new map

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Late last year, Verizon got in to a little hot water over its representation of T-Mobile’s coverage. In fact, it was asked by the National Advertising Division to end its “More Everything” campaign. Long story short, VZW made it look as though T-Mobile had virtually no 4G coverage by excluding its HSPA areas, and by using old data. This was back in November. But, it seems it was up to its old tricks again at the beginning of December, as you can see from the video’s opening few frames below:

It’s worth noting, that the first video was published on YouTube on the 1st of December. Just over a month ago. Check the opening frames of the latest video (published yesterday):

With the tagline “Never Settle”, the same used by OnePlus in its marketing for the OnePlus One, Verizon posted the ad to show how superior its network was in comparison to the competition. And there’s no denying it, Verizon’s LTE network does cover a larger surface area than T-Mobile’s, and is therefore available to more consumers. But the difference in its portrayal of T-Mo’s network is quire startling:

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Now, either both maps are correct and T-Mobile has done some incredible LTE deploying over the past 5-6 weeks, or Verizon was being purposefully misleading in order to dissuade potential customers from signing up to T-Mobile’s competitive offers. Or perhaps, it was put off at the thought of another lawsuit with T-Mo.

On a more serious note, it’s still clear that T-Mo is behind the biggest two carriers when it comes to LTE coverage. But it is continuing to grow, and it has plans to reach 300 million people by the end of this year as well as continue rolling out its 700MHz network and wideband LTE coverage.

Does the new map look more accurate to you?

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  • notyourbusiness

    Every time I see that Verizon commercial I roll my eyes and yell at the TV that it’s time for them to update their pretty little colorful maps!

    • Willie D

      What I would like to see is a real commercial – with real people, in real cities, big and small, saying what carrier they are with, and what they like and dislike about their company. T-Mobile could then say “We are not everywhere like some of the big guys, but we will be” or “We get it, you want coverage and speed, we are bringing both to you nationwide, faster than the other guys”

      • Justin Smith

        If any one carrier were to do that they would only put in the parts where people said Verizon.AT&T.Sprint.T-Mobile whichever carrier did the ad. Unless it was a third party non biased source it would be pointless.

        • Willie D

          I see what you are saying, but T-Mobile has also been a pretty honest company lately, they admitted that the view of their network was poor, that they know the coverage lacked, and that the frustration of 2G GPRS/EDGE was holding people back, and that they needed to work fast and hard to get LTE to the roads and homes that havent had even HSPA upgrades. Showing humble pie and humility and then showing “before and after” in what happened in just 6 months can make people go “Oh, wow, thats fast, and a first a company admitted its downsides and publicly acknowledge they are fixing them and showed they are” – After all, I was a Sprint customer, and for 4 long years they kept telling me they are working on a problem, fixing it, its fixed, only to find out that it never was fixed, the issue was not going to be fixed until 4 years down the line when the rip and replace method came into play, at that time, they ripped and didnt replace, and eventually when they did, they never tuned the network to give the coverage it had before. T-Mobile is totally different, they promise, and show it. Sprint promises and never shows it. Sprint is a comparison.

  • Been following Sensorly for over a year now on T-Mobile’s 3.9G LTE coverage. The 3.9G LTE hasn’t looked like the old map for months now. Been looking like the new map and even better every week since halfway through 2014!

    • Willie D

      Where the hell did you come up with “3.9G” – by that standard you need to call every network 3.9G except AT&T in its limited places like Chicago where it is already using LTE-Advanced.

      • en.wikipedia . org/wiki/3G#Evolution

        • Willie D

          See your point – but I don’t like that term 3.9G I mean, its so contrived and recycled, like how many times can companies and agencies keep using “3G” terms next it will be 3.9.2G

        • Same.

          As soon as 4G LTE-A comes out in the US—that’s going to be even more of a mouthful! I can’t wait to see what Vzw decides to call it.

        • Tew Dsf

          T-mobile uses Rel 10 LTE equipment on cell sites, so that part is complete (don’t need a cell site visit to enable LTE-A)

          The next things would be increasing backhaul (to account for 300mbps throughput), and carrier aggregation (eg dual 20-mhz bands to get 300mbps). T-mobile would either need to get more spectrum, or refarm 2G/3G to get more spectrum dedicated for LTE on AWS/PCS

          Sprint actually has the best spectrum holdings to do LTE-A (they have a lot of 2.5ghz spectrum that can be aggregated together under LTE-A… though it’s high band spectrum)

        • Bryan Pizzuti

          It’s also TDD rather than FDD.

        • Jay J. Blanco

          Sprint is going to sell a lot of that spectrum because it’s somehow valuable now

        • Willie D

          Sprint has a lot of spectrum, and that makes for a great network and speed, but the issue is the frequency of the network spectrum. Being so high, Sprint being so poor, and the spectrum not penetrating a piece of paper floating in the wind on a perfect summer day outside, flat land, cell tower in line of sight, it still sucks. Unless Sprint plans to deploy 100,000 pico cells and micro cells on every block, building and public place, freeway, airport, etc, and spend billions doing it, all the spectrum in the world will not make a difference for LTE-A on that network if people cant access it, and other carriers are easily deploying it on a wide scale. Just my thought.

        • John Johnson

          They’ll call it 5G, and the ITU will capitulate.

          *shrug*

          No big. It’s just a name.

        • Why’d you have to jinx it! (T_T)

        • Mr Paul
      • en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G#Evolution

  • MMA Prints

    Verizon’s map is a huge misrepresentation of their actual coverage. They even try to make the coverage look better by making their map vaguely 3D. Don’t fall for their misleading advertising and ridiculous prices.

    • Richard Roma

      Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. T-Mobile doesn’t even have a fraction of Verizon’s network coverage. T-Mobile would need to expand their network by 10 fold to match Verizon, by 100 fold to match their 2nd LTE network.

      Heck, I enter a store and my T-Mobile service goes from Full to No Service or the dreaded 2G.

      • Jay J. Blanco

        T-mobile is growing organically unlike Verizon through accusations and roaming agreements. T-Mobile only has about 5 roaming agreement Verizon has about 40.

      • KlausWillSeeYouNow

        You must live below a Verizon tower, dude. I see “1X” on Verizon devices in the Northeast frequently, especially in buildings.

      • g2a5b0e

        10 fold & 100 fold? Really? I guess exaggeration is still a true art form.

      • Trevnerdio

        Well, Verizon 3G is close enough to T-Mobile 2G, so…

  • Greywolf

    i realized recently that i live in an an area where there cannot be any band 12 coverage, even though i live in a market where tmo bought the spectrum because of a TV station. that basically means i will not have any low band spectrum for better indoor coverage for the next several years. bummer!

    • Chris Hilbert

      Many of the TV channels are relocating. Might be sooner. See here: http://www.spectrumgateway.com

    • dtam

      probably mid 2016…assuming tmobile preinstalls the transmitters and lights it up right when ch 51 is forced to move

  • Another year or two of this, and we may switch to TMobile. Coverage is the only thing holding us back.

    • Justin Smith

      By the end of the year since T-Mobile is known for outdoing their estimates when it comes to their network they may have just as many covered people as Verizon.

      • kalel33

        But not the same land coverage.

      • John

        I can’t wait to see T-mobile network on par with Verizon. The end of 2015 can’t get here soon enough.

      • Mr Paul

        T-Mobile is known for? They’ve only been known for doing things for like a year and a half, LOL! They have little to no track record; Legere is only building one now and it’s only somewhat good with his big mouth…

  • Tmo1082

    I really don’t see why Verizon shows these maps now that the other big three have narrowed the gap especially AT&T their map is almost the same as Verizon’s. AT&T even covers some places where Verizon doesn’t according to Verizon’s own maps. There might always be areas where Verizon and AT&T cover better than T-Mobile and Sprint but the gap is narrowing faster than ever. It’s just a matter of time before the real price wars start.

    • KingCobra

      It’s their only way to differentiate themselves. People see all those flyover states that they’ll never visit covered in red on Verizon’s maps and empty on the other 3 and assume they need Verizon level coverage, then in turn they go sign up and pay more for all that coverage that they’ll likely never need.

      It will continue to work for Verizon for at least a year. Network parity is incoming by year end so they’ll have to figure something else out.

  • TylerCameron

    I asked about it last year, and I’ll ask again. What is Verizon’s source for either T-Mobile coverage map? T-Mobile doesn’t let you see LTE coverage on a nationwide level. And Sensorly and rootmetrics aren’t as good at seeing coverage as coverage maps.

    • kalel33

      That actually map it themselves. Remember the Verizon “Can you hear me now?”. They actually do that but with all the carriers. They drive around with all the different carrier devices hooked up to computers and they map out the signal strength and type of signal.

    • KlausWillSeeYouNow

      AT&T doesn’t let you see LTE coverage on a nationwide level, either… And I don’t believe Sprint does, either.

  • Willie D

    To me, the map only looks as accurate as Sensorly is showing it to be, and only in the case of LTE. It clearly does not show the actual coverage (which is growing daily, and in places that many people aren’t using, or have not used Sensorly yet. It also does not show that while LTE is great and all, performs better than HSPA+ and is the main drive for Verizon to claim their network as awesome at all, but that HSPA+ on T-Mobile in many areas is performing just slightly under LTE, and in many cases, in the city I live, T-Mobile HSPA+ is actually exceeding Verizon LTE in speed, reliability and latency. Just saying that yes, we all know not all networks are the same, and they are built, designed, and utilized differently, in the most confusing ways, but the fact Verizon is showing only its LTE advancements is awesome and all, but not showing that other networks like AT&T and T-Mobile having a similar performing backup technology with broader coverage is demeaning. LTE to LTE, Verizon and AT&T got it made, but 4G as they want to claim to 4G and network performance, the key driver to what makes a network great, is really hands down going to AT&T and T-Mobile.

  • mreveryphone

    When I first saw that commercial I said Verizon was using old maps to pedal the gimmick known as xlte… There is no such thing as xlte lol

    • Willie D

      There is no such thing as Sprint Spark or T-Mobile Wideband either – really its just more capacity in the same or different frequencies under marketing terms. I suspect that Verizon is creating a brand with XLTE so when they move to LTE-Advanced, they can just call it their brand of service XLTE and use some stupid reasoning, “eXtra speed, eXtra coverage, eXtra capcity” But brand names aren’t bad, as long as T-Mobile rebrands it’s own network continuing with Wideband LTE – for current and next generations of LTE.

      • RiskyBidThis

        Wideband LTE is at least descriptive. XLTE is focus-group tested marketing bull that hails back to the 90s when every company under the sun was tossing Xes around like they were about to stop making them under the theory that it increased sales.

        • Willie D

          Tell me about it. We are moving forward with LTE, and while retro, and classic and vintage is in, in terms of mobile telephony as well as network technology or names, it should be forward moving as well.

  • Paul Garrison

    I noticed that to yesterday.

  • JSP

    When will TMO expand their in-building coverage in Seattle?? The service here is abysmal for in building penetration. So many dead zones–especially for a city where TMO is based!

    • MrDream

      They have bought 700 Mhz spectrum in Seattle/Bellevue/Tacoma, so they are working on it.

      • Joe

        Well they are still waiting for the FCC approval on the licences they bought from Vulcan

        • JP

          I hope Mr. Spock approves

        • J.J.

          Logically he will!

      • Mr Paul

        I’d also imagine T-Mobile would prioritize building the 700MHz give or take Seattle. Legere can’t have any dead spots in case he’s cornered for a speedtest and he’s on WiFi for WiFi-Calling!

    • Cam Fas

      I was there this past weekend and I was surprised I figured since seattle was the home base that it would be better but here in vegas its quite the opposite the service is by far much better. But tmobile service on average really isnt bad overall

    • PeteyNice

      This. When I moved here I assumed that T-Mobile coverage would be killer since it is their hometown. However, after seeing how bad the service was in my apt, I had to switch to Cricket. I look at Sensorly every so often to see if they built a tower or anything to improve coverage and so far nothing.

      • Jay J. Blanco

        T-mobile just bought 700mhz spectrum in Washington so they’ll be launching it soon hopefully but you’ll have to buy a new phone like a Note 3, Note 4, Galaxy Avant to access this new spectrum when it’s launched

        • maximus1901

          Note 3 no b12

        • Jay J. Blanco

          I meant note 4 dang it lol

      • JSP

        How is Cricket? I know it’s ATT and the speeds are capped at 10mbps

        I previously had ATT and thought coverage was excellent in the Puget Sound – better than Verizon. However, TMO was too good of deal to pass up. I hope they deploy their 700mhz soon.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Bad. Cricket is bad. Everywhere. Lol

        • peteynice

          Cricket is fine. I have no problem with coverage. It works well in my apt which is more than I can say for T-Mobile. The speeds are capped but they are plenty fast enough for anything I have done on my phone. Their customer service is supposed to be awful but thankfully I have not had to deal with them.

  • Nick

    I still feel like they should have to show HSPA+ as well (same goes for at&t) since it performs as well if not better that some of their LTE areas.

    • Justin Smith

      Almost all if not all areas covered by HSPA+ are covered with LTE by both carriers now, most consumers wouldn’t know what HSPA+ is so it wouldn’t help very much.

  • Deceptive Smiles

    Been looking at other providers. Wanna stay with TMo but indoor service is terrible in some places, especially at work.

    • TT

      Use Wi-Fi Calling and go into a local T-Mobile and get a free signal booster sir.

      • Mr Paul

        No, he wants cell service, and likely not a workaround. If he’s fed up, I want to see him switch to a carrier who fits his needs, not play the waiting game and pay for something he doesn’t get.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Uh… Who are you? TT’s suggestion was a more than valid one… Are you some AT&T evangelist trolling for converts over here or something?

        • Mr Paul

          Use are workaround instead of switch to another carrier? Are you sober? I want people to convert if they want to. It’s all up to him, but seeing as the T-Mobile community is largely comprised of hardcore anti-“everything else” fanatics, it’s obvious if they’re not building in his area that the choice is to switch instead of worrying about where he may or may not be able to get Wi-Fi. He can switch to Sprint or Verizon for all I care, I just don’t want to see people wasting their money on service that isn’t there, just because people like you think T-Mobile is so great.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          You’re so generous and selfless. That was very thoughtful of you. Thank you for reminding him other carriers exist; I’m sure he needed you to remind him of that.

        • Mr Paul

          Trolling is always generous and selfless too.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Once again, thank you. I’ve been here and made far more productive contributions in the past than you, bud, so don’t accuse me of trolling.

        • Mr Paul

          You’re worth no more than I am. Not here, not anywhere else on the internet. Explain to me what you’ve done besides troll people who don’t blindly praise T-Mobile like you do?

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Never said I was. And I don’t owe you any explanation. Your lack of familiarity with my presence here shows how ill-informed you truly are about me and my opinions. Not that I’d expect you to be interested, though – I don’t think you’re the sort who’s interested in a differing opinion. Good day.

        • Mr Paul

          Coming from an admitted fanboy? Get lost.

        • Mr Paul

          Oh, and:

          “Magenta fanboy, and proud of it, for good reason.”

          Basically the worst kind of troll. T-Mobile and Dish? They are both huge trolls. I hope they do merge. Also, I hope AT&T does acquire DirecTV. That would be hilarious. Two joke services versus two real services.

          What’s your reasoning? A trash-talking CEO who got reminded by Apple that he needs a network to use their phone or any flagship for that matter, with an LTE footprint the size of a chicken and an H+ footprint the size of a turkey, who has set out to do a supermarket sweep-style LTE upgrade on all the tower base-stations, completely neglecting the gaping holes in his network until he makes sure all towers are upgraded to LTE? There’s more public Wi-Fi in commuter towns than LTE on T-Mobile, and that’s just lame.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          What’s lame is pouring billions into a network and then making the asinine claim that it couldn’t support unlimited data. Which is AT&T. What’s lame is claiming that merges benefit consumers, when we have clear proof that continued consolidation contributes to higher prices and worse services. Like AT&T’s DSL monopoly… that’s really done wonders for competition in America, right?

          And your assessment of T-Mobile’s network proves what little, if any, experience you have with it. I doubt you even knew that AT&T’s HSPA+ network is half the theoretical throughput of T-Mobile’s in most areas and has the speed of sloth (since you’re so big on animal comparisons).

          There’s a reason folks like me left (and continue to leave) AT&T in large numbers, and it’s because of the misplaced arrogance of people like you. AT&T is a nightmare.

    • superg05

      what phone and whens was the last time you got a new sim

    • Mr Paul

      First, you’d look at all the carrier maps. Make sure they claim to cover at least 75% of your area with LTE unless you live in a particularly rural area, in which case you look for good voice coverage and blotches of LTE and full 3G.

      Look at RootMetrics for your nearest market and most recent state results and then look at the crowdsource maps, to get an idea of who is the best to switch to. It will usually be AT&T or Verizon. You might be lucky and have Sprint as an option. Then, Look at OpenSignal and Sensorly to get a better idea of who’s around. Sensorly and OpenSignal have barely any data, so you can be deceived into thinking Verizon and Sprint are the best, when they are not, so try and stick with RootMetrics and never take one carrier having more results (most often Verizon) too seriously, because Verizon should ALWAYS be your last result.

  • KingCobra

    Actually the map Verizon is showing (the new one), shows more LTE coverage than T-Mobile’s own outdated maps do on their site. It looks like Verizon just went ahead and assumed all of T-Mobile’s HSPA+ areas were LTE now too.

    • Justin Smith

      The T-Mobile online coverage map isn’t updated enough

  • Bryan Pizzuti

    If you’ve seen the new commercial, they “display” the map by organically “growing” the coverage on it, and literally the millisecond it hits the point of full coverage, it switches to the next competitor.

    Except for Verizon’s own map of course. Now they can imply the old coverage while technically showing the most current coverage…for about a tenth of a second.

  • gpt2010

    TMO should try to sue Verizon some more. If they get some money from it, they should use it to buy more spectrum . Thanks AT&T for the failed buyout!

    • eanfoso

      That’d make t mobile like apple and Verizon Samsung lol

  • Bennion

    The “voice and non-4G LTE data service available” is just a slightly different shade of gray than no service, which makes their map hard to read. I wish there was somewhere we could get real maps to compare. It’s sad we don’t have a reliable source of information to turn to.

    • Nerd_Baller

      Uh sensorly app?

    • Zach Mauch

      sensorly.com

      Not perfect, but IMHO it’s the best we can expect to get if the carriers themselves don’t offer a complete map on their site.

    • Mr Paul

      Ignore the Sensorly fanatics. Take a peak at that, but usually your best bet is RootMetrics. You can also look at OpenSignal.

  • GinaDee

    The old map showed solid LTE between Los Angeles and Las Vegas. The new map removed LTE coverage from that long stretch off of I-15. Weird.

    • Abe_The_Babe

      I did the drive from LA to Vegas and back just before New Year. If it was there before, it’s not there now. Throughout LA County and San Bernardino it’s LTE, but once you are out 2G on the I15, picking up LTE in some of the cities on the way like Victorville, Barstow and Baker.

      • Jay J. Blanco

        It shows on sensorly that it’s covered with LTE

        • Ashton3002

          He just said “if it was there before it not there now” once it’s recorded on sensorly it doesn’t come off”

        • Jay J. Blanco

          With 2G/3G you can u do coverage by doing another trip and map that it’s not there.

          If it was there and it’s not currently then I’m sure those towers are being worked on. To double check he needs to drive through that area with a 4G lte smartphone and have it on GSM/LTE and not automatic. The device doesn’t know rather to pick up band 2 unless you train it and have a 4G lte tablet too, 4G lte tablets picks up lte from long distances. Too quadriple check

        • Ashton3002

          He said he had a 4GLTE smartphone and it’s not like he hasn’t been recently. He went before the new year. And on top of that I travel through there as well as I live in LA and do business in Vegas sometimes. However last time I drove there was in November. I usually Fly. But Anyway. I’ve never seen LTE on that drive on a note 3. I’ll see next time I drive but what he says is pretty accurate.

        • Jay J. Blanco

          Do this daily *#2263#* and select gsm/lte
          and see if your note picks up 4G. T-mobile maybe integrating Metro spectrum because Metro had 3G I think between Vegas and LA

        • Mr Paul

          Also, I can force my phone on LTE and record weak or decent LTE areas on Sensorly or RootMetrics or OpenSignal, but if it’s not strong enough for the average phone or a tower goes down or they change something or they for whatever reason boost HSPA+, etc., then most people won’t get it.

        • Omar Boyer

          It shows that on sensorly but its a whole different story just got back from vegas last week tmobile all edge half of the time my bf has tmobile he has an Lg g3 which im sure supports all tmobiles lte bands … And still edge more than half of the time ,att in the other hand is lte ,hspa all the way..

        • Jay J. Blanco

          As I said below *#2263#* on Samsung device and select lte/GSM mode that way your phone will search for band 2 lte instead of 4. I have to do that when I leave my city because my phone will search for band 4.

          Double check with a 4G lte tablet. They pick up service at a longer distance. If the tablet picks up 4G lte then tmobile is working on it

      • Travis in Vegas

        I went between San Diego and Las Vegas in December. Coverage sucked major donkey tits. You would think that they would get it together on that road I15. A lot of traffic goes through there daily. Pandora kept dropping. I am heading back to LA this weekend so I will post update.

        • michael washington

          You must have a weak phone b/c I had no problems on the 15 , stop blaming t.mobile an get a better device

        • Travis in Vegas

          Note 3 is not a weak phone. Try again and it looks like im not the only one with this problem.

    • marcoz8

      I found that weird too. I looked at the Metro Pcs legacy map and you’ll see that stretch of LTE on the I-15. So I’m guessing that’s where Verizon got it from.

      • Jay J. Blanco

        Integration might be going on. That might be the problem

        • superg05

          they deactivated and sold off alot of metro towers that could have come in handy in the future when they need to densify the network some more to support there soon congested network

        • Jay J. Blanco

          Omg I did not know that. Why would tmobile sell what they desperately need. Just crazy.

        • Jay J. Blanco

          That sucks

  • Ray Smith

    VZ’s TMO LTE coverage map seems to imply the LTE coverage between L.A. and Las Vegas was for some reason turned OFF! Also, VZ includes their roaming partner’s coverage, but failed to include TMO’s. VZ’s commericials are still not telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth! Add in TMO’s HSPA+42 coverage and their roaming partners, TMO would give VZ a run for their money! If only showing LTE coverage, then show both company’s coverage AND their roaming partners’!

    • Cam Fas

      Also Verizon still has many 3G areas believe it or not when I left verizon I went thru many areas in Colorado that had 3g or no service at all. While my Girlfriends ATT worked fine. On top of that there are many places in Nevada Specifically Las Vegas that my Tmobile phone works much better in then my verizon line did

      • galaxyNote4isBoss

        Everybody thinks Verizon is GOD I can only laugh they will never get better they are overpriced and overrated as well as saturated at best.

        T-Mobile wips that silly Verizon ass all day long. Just like my #Note4 wips that silly useless Nexus 6 all day long.

        • Omar Boyer

          Not me i dont think Verizon is GOD Tried all companies here in los angeles since my friend works at best buy i got discount when switching . Att and tmobile are the best. Both had better call quality ,faster lte than verizon. Only thing i didnt like about tmobile u walk in a store “No service” while att has at least 2 bars lte in the same building. other than that ill take tmobile over verizon anyday. I might go back once i cancel att.

        • LionStone

          Hahaha! Yea we know your touch wiz doesn’t whip anything… well maybe last year’s touch wiz lol!

        • Hector Arteaga

          I’m sorry, but from personal experience, Verizon simply has the best coverage. There is no comparison. I’ve done a bit of cross country with all four carriers and Verizon is simply the best. There is a reason why people pay extra for them (think truckers and business men). Anyway, AT&T isn’t bad. Sprint has better overall coverage than Tmo, but Tmo has the best urban coverage in my opinion.

          Hope Tmo changes that soon!

        • squiddy20

          Says the guy who practicality worships his dinky Note 4…
          Please tell me someone sees the irony?

        • dave73

          If you’re staying in the densely populated areas, T-Mobile will work for you. While I was driving along state road 49, south of US 30, outside of Valparaiso Indiana, & I lost T-Mobile coverage 2-3 miles south of US 30. When I got into Kouts Indiana, I still had no T-Mobile service, while I had coverage with Verizon for both 3G & 4G. For both carriers, I’m on pre-paid, & while Verizon is more expensive (even on pre-paid), I at least have coverage for where I travel. Even in rural areas, Verizon might not cover the area as well, but they at least have some coverage. AT&T even has that same route covered really well. Since I don’t always stay in the suburbs, I have to have a carrier that will work for me, & T-Mobile has a long way to go before I can even drop Verizon. T-Mobile was too stupid to let Verizon & AT&T buy up their roaming partners, that too many of their former roaming areas ended up no service, because they found it cheaper to let their users roam, rather than build out a network outside of the major cities & nearby suburbs. So they have a lot more catching up to do than Sprint does, but Sprint is behind too (at least in NW Indiana, Sprint has rural Indiana covered to provide a signal.

        • Nate Webb

          I tested TMO in the Valpo area last year. I lived off of route 2 and 49. I couldn’t get VZW 4G in my apartment but I got excellent TMO LTE. On the north end of Valpo I also got better TMO LTE than VZW. In my experience, generally, anywhere north of US 30 TMO was competitive with VZW as far west as Dyer and north up through Hammond. I agree with you though, drive south of US 30 and it almost disappears instantly. I also drove to the Washington DC area and in most of the rural areas TMO basically had nothing, while Verizon would often have 4G or at minimum 3G. I moved to Indianapolis late last year and have yet to test TMO here. I’d like to switch, but I often drive back up that way to visit family, so I’m having a hard time giving up my unlimited on Verizon.

        • dave73

          The Walmart store in Hobart Indiana (has Merrillville address), I could at least hold onto T-Mobile since my phone is currently 3G, while my Verizon 4G phone, it dropped to 3G in the back of the store, & it was painful to try & download stuff from the internet at 3G speed, while T-Mobile’s 3G is much faster. Both Meijer stores in Lake County Indiana had problems with service in the back of the store (both 2, 3, & 4G), while T-Mobile wasn’t much better.
          Since trying both services, I do see where Verizon is weak, & T-Mobile is weak. With voice only, I was able to go with Verizon with no problem in most cases. For data, that varies. I gave T-Mobile a try, because Verizon took too long to get 4G service available for prepaid service, that I went to Walmart to get prepaid T-Mobile, & got the $30 5gb plan that’s exclusive to Walmart. I want to drop Verizon, but I need service for where I travel, & T-Mobile just doesn’t have the coverage I need when going into a number of rural Indiana towns. I will hold onto T-Mobile too, just because I can’t completely complain about the price I’m paying right now, & get speeds of 7.25mbps on 3G (faster than my DSL). As soon as I can afford to get a different T-Mobile phone (either the ZTE Z Max, or the Samsung Galaxy Avant), I’ll be able to see how T-Mobile’s 4G LTE is with Verizon’s 4G LTE (my Verizon phone is the Motorola Luge, which lacks the AWS band for LTE).

        • J.J.

          yes rural northern indiana needs some serious attention. i live in fort wayne(ne) which is lte covered, but a back roads drive to chicago is the worst. i dont do it often but its annoying. 2g to lte upgrade should fix most of that but they will definitely need to add some towers or strengthen signal in the northern half of indiana for the no coverage spots. with the 700mhz roll out map it looks like the southern half of indiana will be almost completely covered which is great.

        • Mr Paul

          They do. I’m amazed at how many people still stay with Verizon due to sheer fear or because they really think Verizon is so good. Even people in areas where there simply isn’t Verizon towers. What a cult; it’s disgusting.

        • taxandspend

          In Maine, if you’re not on I95, you’re roaming on AT&T or US Cellular with T-Mobile while Verizon has LTE. For example, at Sunday River ski area which is the 2nd largest in New England, 8 peaks, so there are lots of people, with T-Mobile you have 50mb of 2G data while with Verizon you’re on LTE.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          I disagree. I have T-Mobile and I’ve been to Maine; coverage is far better than what you describe.

        • taxandspend

          I just spent a week at Sunday River. I know for a fact that I was roaming, it was 2g, and I was limited to 50mb . And I also know that it started roaming within a few miles of leaving I95 in Grey Maine, and that it roamed all the way up to Sunday River from there.

        • J.J.

          a buddy of mine had vz and i convinced him to download speedtest. any bar we met at he dropped to 3g indoors. while i was maxing out at 62mb down. he finally came to his senses and switch. he is loving it and is saving $70/mo after financing two iphone 6s.

        • Mr Paul

          Even in my two months with T-Mo, whenever I did have a good signal I killed the VZW loyalist’s speeds, always, and even with T-Mobile almost non-existent in my area, there were several situations the VZW user couldn’t pull up a webpage and bam, here’s what I’m looking for in under 10 seconds. What a pathetic network; Verizon would barely be worth it at 1/3 of their current prices.

        • Daniel Darnell

          I’d agree that Verizon is over rated, I’ve actually used all four carriers and from my experience Sprint and AT&T in my area at least are very close to Verizon’s coverage for me. I despise Verizon I had them years ago and they always had terrible CS, high prices, and attitudes. The odd thing is I’ve had several friends that use to swear by Verizon around here and guess what most of them are on Sprint now and happy. My friend Joel had Verizon for many many years and was solid on staying with them. Finally I talked him in to switching and he’s now on Sprint and very happy with them I might add and saving like $30 a month over what he was paying on Verizon and getting Unlimited data instead of that whole having to pay full retail on a phone BS that Verizon makes you do to keep it. One other guy I know had 5 lines on Verizon but he had issues with them and switched to Sprint and he said he was saving quite a bit of money and he and his family was very happy with the service.

        • Mr Paul

          There’s technically some areas that might have better VZW, but they are so far and few in between I don’t understand what the hype is all about. AT&T and Sprint will be in 99% of those areas by the end of the year.

          Sadly, Sprint only has PCS in my area and barely LTE yet, but once they introduce enough Spark I’ll glady switch soon thereafter. I’m more than happy with AT&T. I have family that live in areas where Sprint is and isn’t and I always persuade people to at least check out AT&T, better coverage, save some money.

          Where Sprint is I would certainly recommend them too. Most people with Sprint love and swear by them, and with the progress they’re making this year will make swearing by them totally reasonable.

          It kills me when people I know with VZW are like “We don’t have data here, you know this area’s sort of rural” and I’m like, uhm, you pay 200 bucks a month for 2 lines, and I’d pay 60-70 less for two lines and I have full-fledged LTE right here by the lake.

        • Daniel Darnell

          I won’t argue that Verizon and even AT&T cover some areas better and for some may be the only choice but I agree those are fewer and fewer areas. I have quite a few friends on Sprint and all of them are very happy with the service. I will admit Sprint has 800 Mhz coverage in my area, although it’s not complete yet but 80% of the cell sites in my area on Sprint have 800 Mhz coverage. So they are working on it and yes it makes a big difference. On a non spark phone I don’t get signal in my house unless I’m right next to a window but with my spark phone I’m getting 800 Mhz voice so I am actually able to use my phone just fine in my house. AT&T is PCS only in my area but they’ve built it out VERY well so the coverage is almost equal to Verizon and in a couple of spots I found it to even be better. Sprint with the 800 Mhz sites is almost equal to Verizon around here and once it’s fully optimized and up it’s going to be right on par in the metro areas at least.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Lmao! “Most people with Sprint love and swear by them…” Most people I know with Sprint hate them and swear AT them. This is supported by the many customers that they are hemorrhaging every quarter.

        • Mr Paul

          In your and your daddy Legere’s opinion.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Lmao… You’ve clearly never heard of porting ratios, my friend. But screw fact, right?

        • Mr Paul

          Who cares how many people switch to T-Mobile. This happened to Verizon ages ago and even AT&T when the iPhone came out.

          What ratios aren’t released is how many people who ported are actually getting LTE or H+/3G as compared to other carriers.

          Numerous people switched to save money or are waiting for tower conversions. What if tons of people switched to Verizon they had some insane unlimited data for 55 bucks a month promo? Does that mean the people switching are getting better service, or are people switching to take advantage of a promotion?

          I switched in August, and T-Mobile said that was their best month ever. I switched to take advantage of a promotion, then left, but I still technically helped their numbers look good.

    • marcoz8

      That stretch of LTE on the old map seems to be from Metro Pcs’ legacy map. At least there’s LTE in that area now according to Sensorly.

      • orlando duran

        MEtro pcs legacy network was not lte….that’s why tmobile wanTed them

    • kalel33

      They don’t have LTE roaming partners. That’s their native network. Go to Verizon’s site and look at their native LTE map.

      • KingCobra

        They do have LTE roaming partners. I had VZW back in 2013 and drove the Oklahoma and was roaming on some other carrier the entire time. May have been Pioneer Wireless but I can’t remember for sure. The phone displays “Extended” in these areas.

      • KlausWillSeeYouNow

        Incorrect. Verizon Wireless DOES have LTE roaming partners. As an example of just a few, look up the Rural America program.

    • Spanky

      T-Mobile giving Verizon a run for its money? Maybe in the areas where it actually gets coverage. Otherwise, that statement is nonsense.

      • KlausWillSeeYouNow

        Which is MOST places. Get real, Spanky.

        • Spanky

          No, you’re the one who should get real. You sound like another delusional fanboy who populates this site and believes that T-Mobile can do no wrong.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          I find it funny you find it surprising to find T-Mo enthusiasts on a T-Mobile news/fan site. Go back to Mars.

  • Roger Sales

    if T-Mo’s map looks like anything like AT&T’s by end of the year I would consider that good enough.

    • TechHog

      That’s impossible I’m afraid. Maybe in 5-6 years.

      • orlando duran

        What impossible

    • Mr Paul

      You have some insanely high expectations. Maybe with the entire tower-building team of the other three carriers combined can T-Mobile accomplish that feat.

  • Jay J. Blanco

    T-mobile has been moving dramatically fast. I remember driving from Columbia, SC to Florence, SC and being on Edge 90% of the trip. Now I’m 90% on lte which is great

    • Michael Cook

      I was just up in Sumter for Christmas. I pulled into my parents drive way and noticed I had 4G. Long story short, they switched from Verizon to Tmobile and got 2 lines for $100 promo. I asked my mom how she was liking tmobile and she replied she hasn’t noticed a difference from Verizon!

      • Jay J. Blanco

        That’s awesome Sumter was way over due for 4G. Sumter has 2 Colleges. lol do Sumter have 5mhz lte or 10mhz?

        • Michael Cook

          I’m not sure what’s in that area, I live in Tampa, Fl where I think we have both.

      • Joe

        Did u buy them a band 12 compatible phone so that when SC gets 700 mhz it will be even better

        • Michael Cook

          They both got the S5, I think it has band 12, I’m not sure. As long as it works thats all they care about. I’m the tech geek of the family, hence why I get a new phone every year.

        • Joe

          no the s5 does not have band 12 but if the coverage in the area is good they should be fine

        • KingCobra

          T-Mobile doesn’t have any 700 licenses in SC and there are none pending.

        • Joe

          I know, and I did not say that they have any I said when they do. Because I am very sure that they will buy the Cavalier License at some point in time.

      • John

        When did they switch?

        • Michael Cook

          Right after Christmas, the rest of the 4G lte build out has to be done by March.

        • John

          email me so I can refer them if they haven’t already been referred. my email is trees2315@gmail.com.

          T-mobile refer a friend program.

          LTE build out by March??

        • Chad Vincent

          T-Mobile is saying June/July (around end of 1H 2015), not March.

      • Hector Arteaga

        Love the unlimited two line promo. We switched from Sprint because of it.

  • Ashton3002

    at&t have always offered me better signal than Verizon. And some places service where Verizon is roaming or on 3G. Tmobile has better signal than Verizon also. AT&T and Tmobile signal have always been about the same However the quality of the connection has been better with AT&T. Now inside that is a different story. Tmobile has Always been weaker inside buildings and around a lot of trees.

    • Hector Arteaga

      I’ve had the pleasure of dealing with all four in the last year. Nobody has better coverage than Verizon (cross country drives). T-Mobile has the best city coverage.

      • Ashton3002

        Maybe you didn’t read what I said… I said AT&T has always offered me better signal.. And I’m some instances better coverage there are places on their own map where they don’t cover without where AT&T has coverage. And Not really. AT&T and Verizon do. there is a difference between coverage and signal strength. And both best Tmobile in coverage.

        • Hector Arteaga

          Obviously, there are places where there will be exceptions. Whatever works best for you. :-)

        • Mr Paul

          I’d also like to mention MANY rural areas I’ve been to have better AT&T coverage, Mr. Verizon Jock. YMMV, let’s put it at that.

  • galaxyNote4isBoss

    You can’t expect Verizon to be honest after being embarrassed so badly by T-Mobile these last 36months.

    Verizon is a sad overpriced joke and truly overrated for sure. I KICKED VERIZON to the curb June 2012 now 6 lines later on T-Mobile I’m rolling so hard.

    • Kogashuko

      Their coverage is the only good part. Have you ever talked to someone using a Verizon phone? I might as well be using a cup with a string on it. The sound quality is horrible and lately text messaging is jacked. This is what happens when you use an ancient technology, CDMA, and try to go up against a GSM network or VOLTE. The only reason their coverage is good is because they grease everyone that stands in their way. Don’t forget they started from a merger of Bell Atlantic and GTE which were both companies that would routinely charge you to call someone across town with a land line.

      • Hector Arteaga

        I agree with the sound quality part. Sprint has much better voice quality. T-Mobile is pretty good as well!

        • Mr Paul

          AT&T sounds good too. VZW’s voice quality is the worst out of any carrier. I can’t STAND talking to people with Verizon. Narrowband is bad enough, but trying to understand people is so obnoxious, and if the wind blows or there’s ANY background noise, lol forget it, only smartphones can even manage with noise-canceling.

        • Daniel Darnell

          Verizon’s voice quality is terrible, I always hate talking to a customer on Verizon it’s like they are far away and in a barrel and I’m struggling to hear them or they are muffled. Thank god most of my friends have switched to Sprint or AT&T so I don’t deal with that much anymore. Sprint and T-Mobile have the best voice quality although AT&Ts is fine as well.

        • Mr Paul

          Yeah, I can’t wait for VoLTE, but boy do I hope Verizon hauls ass in particular. Like we’ve said, the voice quality is ludicrously pathetic, hard to describe. The worst is on basic/feature phones that have zero voice cancelling; I literally have to translate from Verizon CDMA to English (a lot of people use them where I live so I’ve learned) to figure out what the person is saying without annoying them or seeming like I’m deaf. GAH! Sadly not many switchers where I am, lucky you.

        • Daniel Darnell

          Luckily the friend I talk to most on the phone (my best friend) switched to AT&T and he use to have Verizon, which I always had trouble hearing him when he had Verizon it was pretty bad. Another friend I talk to often also had Verizon but he switched to Sprint and he has an HD Smart phone like me so we have HD calls together sometimes and when it’s on HD it sounds great, even without HD though he sounds far better than when he had Verizon.

        • Daniel Darnell

          I swear I replied to this but I see nothing posted: Anyways to make it short the two people I talk to the most switched from Verizon thank god. One left to AT&T, the other one to Sprint. I can actually hear them both now! My best friend that switched to AT&T has made comments on how terrible Verizon sounded as well. Plus I hear it on these forums often as well. So I know it’s more than just a few people that think Verizon phone calls sound awful.

        • Mr Paul

          Well also, I’m not sure what Sprint uses for codecs and calling, but Verizon uses flat out CDMA (1x) to call as a norm, coupled with whatever horrific codec Verizon has chosen. “Can you hear me now?” more like “C’y’hr m’n?” “C’ Hear ‘ow?”

      • orlando duran

        Every small bell company charged you for calls more than. 7 miles from your house, until the telecommunications act of 1988, allowed the small bells to charge for Long distance, more than 50 miles from your house, then some of the bells stopped charging for those local long distance

    • squiddy20

      1. If you knew anything about lines of service with a cell phone carrier, you’d know that you don’t have 6 lines simply because you have had 4 devices with them over the past couple of years.
      2. Verizon may be overpriced, but at least you can get a signal almost everywhere, even way out in the boonies. I mean, just look at that massive swath of not-pink in the northern Midwest, great plains, most of Texas, the Appalachian mountain range area, and a couple other areas. Call me crazy, but I’d rather take overpriced cell service that I know I can get virtually everywhere than cheaper service I can get only around the more populated areas.

      • RLB63

        I don’t get into the boonies even once a year….I should pay extra for that?

        • Hector Arteaga

          I agree with that. For a trucker, it might be worth it. Everyone else worries way too much about coverage. As if they go into remote areas all the time.

        • KingCobra

          Exactly. You could probably count on 1 hand the number of people posting on this blog who regularly drive through the flyover states.

        • Ryan Radford

          I guess I’m the only one who hopes and dreams that T-Mobile will somsomeday magically appear in my city with awesome coverage.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          What city?

        • Ryan Radford

          That is information that I really don’t want to give out. Let’s just say I’m in one of two states that have zero T-Mobile service.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          I don’t blame you… but that’s unfortunate. I’m sure things will improve eventually.

        • Romdude

          If you do, just grab a verizon prepaid for those few days. Best of both worlds, done.

      • djtbd

        The map your looking at is for lte data only and does not show the underlying network that handles voice calls and slower data which is much larger.

        • kalel33

          That much larger map is mostly roaming on other carrier’s network. That’s why when you look at a T-mobile map, the huge areas of dark magenta are roaming, not their own towers.

        • orlando duran

          Wow, you seem to get things wrong on a constant basis. TMobile has a huge network. I did a test 2month ago with Verizon and tmobile traveling from Portland OR to Pasadena CA traveling on I5 south, then from Pasadena ca to lake Havasu, AZ on I10 , heading east from pasdadena. Every single time I picked up both phones , in the mountains, mountain passes, in Pasadena, I used the phones in various places, verizon was not always receiving a signal , but tmobile did, now yes verizon was fast at times for data, but the coverage was horrible. TMobile may have only had 2g network in the very rural areas, but it was still useable, compared to zero service in the very rural areas with Verizon

        • kalel33

          This testing you did just changed my opinion. T-mobile’s own network map must be completely wrong. You should contact them and tell them to start advertising they have better coverage than Verizon. They’d love it.

        • Romdude

          They won’t be updating their coverage maps until they are done with upgrades. I guess it’s better to be conservative but read the recent article on it here also.

        • galaxyNote4isBoss

          Squiddy20 isn’t a Tmobile customer and sucked on sprints ass for so many years it’s comical.

          People have to ask themselves why does Squiddy20 troll on tmonews site every day when he isn’t a customer of Tmobile??

          Let’s be real honest he’s a sad Internet troll who is a faceless coward at best.

      • Mirad77

        Why would you care about coverage of an area you don’t visit and have no plans of visiting? I think that’s up to mobile companies if they want to service customers in such area. Everywhere I’ve lived has been a metropolitan area and has very good Tmo coverage, call me crazy if I want Tmo to jack my bill to put towers in the middle of some desert in Nevada.

        • KingCobra

          Because some people fall for the marketing. “What if I’m in Montana and need service?” When in reality they barely ever leave their home market outside a handful of times every year. Some people who think they “need” Verizon coverage have never even traversed those dustbowl states that look so good on the coverage maps.

        • squiddy20

          Have you ever heard the phrase “shit happens”? Well, that perfectly explains your question. Who knows when you may get a call to come out to some area that has no T-Mobile service. I thought I’d be with Sprint for quite a long while, but the group I work for made me move almost across the country, to an area that has no Sprint or T-Mobile service.
          Granted, if you absolutely know you won’t be moving, and you know there won’t be any random calls/emergencies, then stick with little ‘ol T-Mobile.

        • galaxyNote4isBoss

          You can’t take Squiddy20 to seriously he’s living at home with his parents and doesn’t have a legitimate job to speak of much less being able to purchase legitimate handsets instead of bargain basement products. Squiddy20 is a sad Internet joke.

        • squiddy20

          Wow. All you seem to be able to do is make silly, juvenile, unfounded insults that any 3rd grader can make. And you call yourself a “real man”. What a joke.

      • galaxyNote4isBoss

        As usual you are lost in your case that’s nothing new in the closed up world you live. My 6 lines of service are doing very well clearly you couldn’t afford what I’m able to pay.

        Pretty simple my friend step to the left you are small time in my world.

    • Tina

      I have Verizon, pay 71 dollars a month after tax. That’s 2 Gb data. Plus I prefer to subsidy the phone so I won’t get tacked with a 30 dollar a month eip. I don’t mind being on contract. The same plan with Tmobile would cost me 91 pre tax. Yes I even have insurance on my phone included in that cost, loyalty plan. I don’t listen to music or watch Netflix on my phone so it is perfect for me. Plus I get coverage in my office tmobile, Sprint do not. Plus tmobile has no coverage where I travel to frequently in Amish Country in Ohio. I’ll stick with Verizon thank you.

      • J.J.

        that is great for you… but your usage/price you pay is not typical for vz. but yes if tmo/sprint has no coverage in your area its a no brainer.

        • Tina

          But anyone who has been with Verizon for a year, I think that’s the time frame, can get the loyalty plan. It’s 60 month unlimited talk and text and 2 gb data. 10 per gb over 2 gb. Great plan.

        • Romdude

          Nice to hear not all Verizon customers being gouged. My friend is paying over $200 for 4 lines, I’m paying like $130 and in my area, my download speed is often 10x faster than Verizon. You should spread the word about that so more can benefit.

        • J.J.

          i was not aware, most people i know on vz are on a multi phone account, with low data allotment and very high prices

      • galaxyNote4isBoss

        Go for you. I been there done it’s pretty plain and simple Verizon sucks period. I’ll stick with T-Mobile thank you.

  • Tanner

    Comparing the Sprint and Tmobile maps is interesting. The breadth of coverage is almost equal.

    • Hector Arteaga

      From personal experience, Sprint’s is still bigger (based on my personal use). I’m confident Tmo will change that in the next few months!

      • Willie D

        Depends where you are. On the Mosaic maps, which show the actual service areas of both T-Mobile and Sprint shown here, http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2014/06/09/business/dbpix-mosaik-coverage/dbpix-mosaik-coverage-tmagArticle.jpg – you can actually see that T-Mobile has a larger network by far over Sprint in all areas except the west Texas and Iowa area. Don’t let Iowa fool you though, i-Wireless operates there (not shown as T-Mobile coverage) and they are a T-Mobile Affiliate, selling their own services locally, with access nationally to T-Mobile and T-Mobile provides the service through them to its own customers while in Iowa. 50/50 partnership in that state. So even then, Sprint really only has a few extra coverage areas. Where Sprint actually beats T-Mobile is with roaming. Sprint can roam on Verizon anywhere, even in areas Sprint provides native service (provided the phone lets you, or you automatically switch to ROAM ONLY on an old device) – and T-Mobile does not roam anywhere except in extreme cases where there is 100% absolutely no possible T-Mobile signal at all, then they roam on AT&T usually. But native coverage to native coverage, native LTE to native LTE, T-Mobile bests Sprint.

      • Daniel Darnell

        From my experience Sprint’s LTE network is bigger too and from the maps it looks to be as well. T-Mobiles LTE maps are exaggerated and I find Sprint’s to be pretty honest. I’m 70ish some miles from the nearest T-Mobile LTE spot and much of my area is still stuck on EDGE. With Sprint I’m getting LTE that’s still EDGE spots on T-Mobile. I’m in a former SunCom market and in the Carolina’s and East TN Sprints LTE network is far ahead of T-Mobile due to neglect by T-Mobile through out the years after they bought them. Yes it’s getting better though and the Carolina’s actually has a decent amount of LTE now on T-Mobile but the T-Mobile map as I said is pretty exaggerated in where it has LTE there. T-Mobile will get there in time but as it stands right now for much of the south Sprint is still far better than T-Mobile.

      • orlando duran

        Except in the real world their not the same, in fact tmobile is destroying sprint

        • Hector Arteaga

          I can agree with that statement if you say within city centers, but if you believe that in rural areas, then you haven’t had experience with it. To some people, that’s important too.

        • orlando duran

          I have all over the usa ….2g slow network provides some access, as the others have ZERO coverage

  • Alex Zapata

    It’s not just LTE coverage TMO is lacking, it’s native coverage as well. Footprint isn’t just about POPs (although they’re not entirely irrelevant). I hope TMO can kick some major booty this year!

  • doubleatheman

    I find it interesting that we commonly use Verizon advertising to check into the status of tmo deployment. It seems someone at Verizon has to take the time and some how obtain a 4g LTE map of tmo… That we the consumers don’t have access to?

    • xmiro

      they likely got the data from Mosaic, who do network mobile intelligence worldwide

    • kalel33

      You remember that Verizon “Can you hear me?” commercials. They actually do that but with devices from every carrier, so they can make a map of their own network and others.

      • schweddyballs

        The most inefficient way to produce a coverage map ever, lol. Just….stop.

        • kalel33

          Absolutely inefficient. They have money to burn.

      • orlando duran

        Oh the ” can you hear me now ” commercials by AT&T….yea I remember those

        • Ryan Radford

          I’m pretty positive those where Verizon’s commercials.

      • TylerCameron

        That’s really cool information. Thanks c:
        I guess it’s always best to know your enemy.

  • IRIE4IPIEIR

    TMO LTE sucks fat balls where I live. I just turn it off and put WCDMA only on my phone.

  • Mr Paul

    You’re no minority. Wherever I was in LTE areas with T-Mobile, the H+ was far faster. The LTE was so bad I would’ve rather used Sprints. T-Mobile should have focused on building a HSPA+ network and using LTE in only new towers and just cities instead of running around converting base stations and ignoring the holes in their network.

    • Avatar.

      I’m on Sprint and have no problems with the LTE.

      • brandon johnson

        Because that’s what we were talking about

      • Mr Paul

        Not saying it always sucks, I’m just saying where Sprint has the same PCS crap T-Mobile uses as a back bone as hasn’t brought Spark yet, it is bad.

        • Avatar.

          Spark is here for me I’m 20 miles west of Boston.

    • KingCobra

      There’s really no point in building HSPA+ anymore. It would’ve been a waste of time and resources.

      • Mr Paul

        What you don’t understand is T-Mobile’s towers don’t have good hardware, and H+ was much better for many people as well as a better signal range.

        I’m not saying don’t convert some to LTE or purposely use H+ over LTE, I’m saying the DC-H+ T-Mobile has is often half as fast if not on par with most broken-in LTE from any other carrier, and most people are falling back to it because the LTE sucks so bad anyways.
        So, they should upgrade their ancient towers to DC-H+ and use LTE with new towers (BUILD NEW TOWERS), and then after they’re doing BUILDING NEW TOWERS, which they aren’t, they should then convert all the rest of non-city towers to LTE. T-Mobile doesn’t have their priorities straight. Having a network is not more important than LTE. HSPA+ is a great, great technology and it works really well. When LTE isn’t done right, H+ is always the better fallback.

        AT&T didn’t decide to drop what they were doing and convert all their base stations to LTE; VZW and T-Mobile are the Kings of Half-fast, half-assed networks. AT&T built an H+ network, then they built an LTE network, then they will build a PCS/WCS and LTE-A network. They set goals and do it right. AT&T didn’t convert every tower to LTE nor did Verizon (Verizon converted far less than AT&T in a lot of areas), they converted ENOUGH so that you virtually always get LTE and they have so many boosters, you virtually never get an H+ (or EV-DO/CDMA with VZW) connection worse than -80dBm. This way, I didn’t have to wait 18-24 months for LTE, and next time AT&T will do the same with 1900MHz, VoLTE and LTE-A and it will work far better than people think it will. It’s far more cost-effective, way more people get LTE, and I still have an extremely fast and reliable connection no matter LTE or H+.

        Sprint is obviously getting it, and as per RootMetrics, I expect to see Sprint improving in a LOT of markets in the 1st half, and ESPECIALLY the 2nd half of this year. I can’t wait to see what all 4 will do this year. No more talk, all walk, from all four carriers. This year proves who is worthy.

      • Ryan Radford

        I would be happy with it in my area! Especially from sprint. 0.38 mbps is the daily speed from sprint. They have no LTE here. T-Mobile is non existent here.

        • John

          Where are you at?

        • Ryan Radford

          WV

        • Ryan Radford

          Speed really isn’t a issue for me it’s not getting kicked off of the internet when someone calls me that I hate. Att for years only had edge coverage here, then magically they turned on the 3G

        • John

          Oh yeah T-Mobile dosen’t have any native coverage in West Virginia. I think the only options there are AT&T, u.s cellular, or ntelos. Verizon has coverage there? last I saw there was a big gap in coverage for Verizon in WV

        • Ryan Radford

          And Verizon, sprint leases from ntelos wireless. Ntelos has LTE but they don’t let sprint use it despite the roaming agreement they just signed.

        • John

          Verizon has coverage in WV? From my understanding Verizon has a big gap in coverage for WV. The main choices there being ntelos, ATat, or u.s cellular. Howard forum has threads that discuss this issue.

        • Ryan Radford

          Unlike most people if it’s non existent outside of my city a I don’t really care if there is coverage. I don’t travel that much. But yes Verizon has excellent coverage in the city and some of the surrounding areas.

        • John

          Really Verizon has coverage in WV interesting.

          Ntelos sold some others spectrum recently to T-Mobile for its markets in the eastern part of Virginia. So I am pretty sure if that T-Mobile will expand coverage in Virginia especially the eastern part.

          Did you see the story about it here on tmonews?

        • Ryan Radford

          I saw that on fierce wireless, but I’m not going to be getting my hopes up for it. I live several hundred miles from the border of WV and Virginia.

        • John

          Whose your carrier?

        • Ryan Radford

          Att, they are the best for my buck. I do use devices from a sprint mvno called freedom pop so that’s how I know that sprint has crappy speeds.

        • John

          Oh cool, well I hope T-Mobile expands coverage into your neck of the woods one day. I live in California and have been with T-Mobile for 10 years and love it. Most of my area has been covered to LTE for awhile now. This, I consistently get speeds ranging from 10-30 Mbps depending on time of day and if I am outside or inside etc.

        • Ryan Radford

          I get the same speeds from att. The freedom pop gives me a few extra GB a month for free when I run low so I have that going for me. If you ever sign look them up and sign up for the services look up a facebook group called freedom friends Connect. I run that for people who have the service.

        • John

          Ok will do Ryan. Thanks for the tip. :)

        • Romdude

          I have freedom pop too with about 10gig rollovered. Haven’t used it in a while since tmobile upgraded to mostly lte in Honolulu. I’ve seen northwards of 70mbps but typically 50mbps to around 35mbps when congested. I use it cause it works for me. My freedom pop here is like 1.5mbps but at least it’s semi free.

        • Ryan Radford

          Are you a member of my facebook group: freedom friends connect? We are the largest collection of freedom pop users out there.

        • Romdude

          I’m not, I actually have two freedom pop accounts too. I’m just a sucker for promotions but I actually never use my data. The only thing I’m paying for is the $3.95 per month rollover. Kinda expensive for only 500mb but at least I have emergency data for the times when I’ll never use it since I have unlimited on tmobile, lol. edit: I know when I can use it, when I’m so lazy to turn on my phone’s hotspot and I just want to browse the web. See, there is a very far fetched reason.

    • KingCobra

      There’s really no point in building HSPA+ anymore. It would’ve been a waste of time and resources.

    • Daniel Darnell

      I had T-Mobile for over a year with 3 phone lines, I dumped my main line for Sprint a little more than a month ago. I actually never got LTE here due to T-Mobile only having HSPA+ coverage here and a lot of EDGE. However I flew down to Tallahassee, FL in June of last year and finally got to see some T-Mobile LTE and I was unimpressed. I had a layover in Atlanta and for some reason my phone was spotty in the Atlanta airport I’d have 30 Mbps in one spot but then just a little bit down I’d have barely a bar of service and get maybe 2 Mbps. Then let’s talk about Tallahassee, T-Mobile was TERRIBLE in that area. It was hard to see my true LTE speeds because my phone was consistently hopping between LTE/HSPA+. I had to actually turn LTE off while down there because my phone was switching back and forth so much on the data network it was killing my battery life. Many buildings I went in to down in Tally I’d go to EDGE and even in town I hit a couple of no signal spots where my phone just lost service completely. I was shocked at how horrible T-Mobile was down there. Between these issues and my lack of LTE up here or even 3G in many areas I just couldn’t take it. So I hopped over to Sprint and I’ve been nothing but impressed with how much better my data speeds and coverage is with Sprint. T-Mobile IMO has a lot of work that still needs to be done before they are up to AT&T, Verizon, or heck even Sprint.

      • orlando duran

        Except, they have surpassed sprint both in customer base and network buildout, size of network and capacity of network

        • Daniel Darnell

          Sprint is still 1 million ahead of T-Mobile and I totally disagree on T-Mobile’s network being bigger. As I said my area no LTE (just a little bit of 3G) on T-Mobile and a ton of EDGE. Sprint LTE most places and at least a fall back to 3G. Down in Florida (Tallahassee area) Sprint is once again better and I have a friend in Des Moines, Iowa. He’s on Sprint too and has LTE in most places with at least a 3G back up, T-Mobile once you are right outside the city boom nothing but EDGE. T-Mobile from my perspective has LTE almost nowhere and where they do it’s shotty and with limited coverage. Now I’m not hating on T-Mobile the rate plans and customer service are awesome but too much of the network is EDGE coverage and even when it’s not their LTE drops off fast. I’m not saying this is for everybody but from my experience as well as many others I know Sprint’s LTE network is a ton better than T-Mobiles. I likely will go back to T-Mobile in time but not until the network is better and as of now its just doesn’t cut it for me and I can’t handle all the useless 2G coverage I had with them.

        • FluX

          Weird, T-Mobile has superb coverage in Tallahassee unless you go out into the county.

          Sprint is wayy worse in Tallahassee, so I smell some BS.

        • Daniel Darnell

          I was down there in June, stayed with a friend for 5 days not too far from Governor’s Square Mall. Even opened up a Macy’s credit card at that mall so trust me I can prove it lol. My service was awful though dead spots everywhere, coverage flipping back and forth so much from HSPA+ and LTE, etc… Honestly its pathetic even in the city the service was crap.

        • Ray Smith

          Sounds like you may actually have a faulty phone. Too many places with problems. Funny, TMO had 0 LTE anywhere just a short time ago, and people piling on they don’t have coverage here and there! Think you have the capability to upgrade 45,000 sites overnight? Got the money too? Oh yeah, save a dollar for the AWS-3 auction too!

        • Daniel Darnell

          Both my iPad and iPhone did the same thing while in Tallahassee, it wasn’t the phone. The service just sucked and I wasn’t impressed with it in the Atlanta airport either, it was spotty and in one of the largest airports in the US. As I said I’m not knocking T-Mobile but from my experience it’s not that good, I’ll be back but not until the network is improved.

        • Brad C

          I was just there a few days ago and my T-Mobile phone worked better than my Verizon phone, it had service everywhere around the mall. That was on an iPhone 6 plus.

        • Daniel Darnell

          I don’t know what to say I had an iPhone 5 at the time that I got from T-Mobile, it worked fine in my area despite a lot of EDGE here. Despite Tallahassee having LTE the service was overall much worse down there. I don’t know if they were having network issues or what was going on but I find it hard to believe it was ongoing network issues for the entire 5 days down in Tally. If I lived down there based on my experience there is no way I’d use T-Mobile. My friends AT&T phone worked much much much better in the area, he had service and LTE at that everywhere.

        • ZxyLady

          I’m surprised no one has brought up the fact that your cellphone has as much to do with the coverage quality/area for LTE, HSPA+ etc. If you have a mid-range my phone you’re not going to have the same quality antenna. & I can promise you there’s at least one person on this forum right now that has either A) a really crappy cheap phone, B) an international version phone that will never connect properly or C) doesn’t even have a 4G phone and still tries to get a signal.

        • Mark G

          sorry but unless tmobile doubled their network yesterday then sprint has a bigger network,

      • deibed

        I think that for anyone that travels outside of their city, is better off going with ATT or Verizon. T-Mobile has a lot of work that still needs to get done.

      • Mark G

        I left sprint for tmobile…..9 months later im back with sprint….coverage In Illinois sucked with tmobile and tmobile’s coverage map ant the retail store was misleading

    • Brian Perez

      interesting theory makes sense I guess their whole point was to prove to people that they could catch up with them in little to no time at all in terms of LTE coverage and I think people have noticed that and point proven and their 4g is very good so I think yes if they would have focused on their 4G coverage I think they would have been able to compete just the same.

  • Mr Paul

    Verizon played the same game with AT&T. A few months ago, they were still using the late 2012- early 2013 maps, and I guess AT&T finally got on them about it. Verizon always plays games and waits until they’re at least practically sueable before they do anything. They must be the most dishonest telecommunications company on the face of the earth. Even Sprint’s map is still out of date, and I’m sure they’ll have to get on VZW about that soon too.

    • Deftdrummer

      Comcast would take the title as the most dishonest telecommunications company in the world. Fact.

      • Mr Paul

        I say tie. They don’t have a wireless network, do they? Verizon does both and rips off far more people. Tie, fair enough?

        • Deftdrummer

          Fair.

    • Aaron Davis

      It may surprise you to know that Verizon (and at&t) is actually made up of several of the old Baby Bells, and has inherited the same “we own the network, we own you” mentality that the old AT&T had before it was broken up by monopoly laws.

      • Mr Paul

        That is not a surprise and yes I am aware. AT&T is not as a bad as Verizon, just a big corporation and typical tactics. It’s actually Verizon being a Baby Bell that most people are oblivious to.

    • Brian the populist.

      Great dividend stock though lol…but yes i completely agree in regards.to some of their practices.

  • superg05

    there a lot of plants in here i see roots everywhere

  • Prox

    I love how the LTE map for Verizon has a 3 dimensional shape to the coverage area. It appears as though the actual coverage area is larger than it is, fine marketing. Fine marketing indeed.

    • bkosh84

      I was wondering if anyone else actually noticed that or not..

    • deibed

      the map goes all 3 dimensional when they start the “XLTE” talk.

      • Michael Luscher

        To be fair, T-Mobile did the same effect back with “Data Strong”

        • Roger Sales

          T-Mobile’s map reflects actual data usage where they offer service in their ads, Verizon’s is a “look how much prettier we are than the other 3” show. Two very different marketing techniques, and only one of those two that is not confusing to consumers.

  • I live in the bay area and I have tmobile, I have no problems with LTE, in fact it’s a lot faster than the Comcast business class high speed Internet that I don’t bother hooking up to the WiFi. I just updated my plan to unlimited 4G and don’t regret it. I had sprint a couple years ago and that was bad. No LTE and constant calls dropped, I made the mistake of assuming they were good and bought a wireless device and what a waste of 35 a month on tip of cell phone bill. I’m sure it’s improved by now just like I’m sure t-mobile has improved since some of you had it.

  • Hector Arteaga

    In my experience, RootMetrics coverage map is the most accurate. It’s usually spot on when I’ve driven cross country.

  • orlando duran

    Tmobile has roaming agreementso with att and they do use the wcdma from Verizon

    • KlausWillSeeYouNow

      Huh? That’s fascinating… Where does T-Mobile roam on VZW WCDMA?

  • Jesslyn Hendrix

    Isn’t the whole ‘coverage map’ thing irrelevant if you have coverage where you live/travel?

    • skittle

      This.
      Also, we can use WiFi calling to “soften the blow”. I have coverage where I go and so do my wife and daughter. Eight year customers and happy so far.

    • dontsh00tmesanta

      Exactly!!!!!!!!!!

    • Mr Paul

      It is utter nonsense. Let me be carrier neutral (except for the fact that I hate Verizon) for a minute:

      If you have AT&T coverage in Texas or North Carolina e.g., you don’t need Verizon who might cover Montana or Wyoming better.

      If you have Sprint Spark coverage where you live in work in NYC or Tampa e.g., you don’t need any other carrier to convince you otherwise.

      If you have T-Mobile LTE and some 700MHz out in Minnesota or Detroit, you also don’t need Verizon or AT&T.

      If you do have any of the other 3 carrier’s coverage or even a regional carrier, you definitely don’t need Verizon.

  • Hiro

    I unfortunately still have LTE coverage issues in the “LTE” area per Tmo’s claim in SE Florida. It covers spots, but not the entire area, of Fort Myers and Naples, FL… quite the opposite of my experience in Seattle where I previously lived. They said I’ll have to wait for future upgrades, with nothing currently pending or in process. Frustrating.

    As a note, Naples, just south of my town Fort Myers, is an EXTREMELY affluent area… you’d think they’d want to keep an extremely affluent area happy with LTE. But every mile of road traveled continues to change between E, LTE, 4G, and no service. Ditto in my town.

    • A lot of the time town regulations have a lot to do with coverage. They simply don’t allow towers as much as we’d like them to. In Naples this is the case, no carrier have good coverage there.

      • Mr Paul

        Yes this is true. My area in Downstate NY is a great example. I’ve said prior I don’t have certain fast food, restaurant, and supermarket chains for example, due to sleazy local politics. I subsequently also have terrible cell coverage, but AT&T does by far the best with that they could do than any other carrier here. Verizon is fine for non-data use, but their data is horrid in most areas here. T-Mobile has 1 or 2 towers in my county, so forget it, and Sprint has a lot of towers but only 3-4 have been upgraded to LTE, so forget them too.

        I doubt if my area had more moderate politics that we wouldn’t have way better coverage, because just a county over, they have FAR better coverage. On the way there driving on the highway is a tower near the county line that makes the irony even more humorous. Under a half a mile from crossing the county border, your phone jumps to 5 bars on ALL 4 carriers. LTE on all carriers too.

  • Felipe Rios

    I’ve gotten LTE in places that Verizon says i can’t. lol

    • Mr Paul

      Not surprising. That was my case in FL too; even VZW’s LTE was far faster. Verizon has the most technical LTE penetration, but if you don’t count the LTE where they the speeds and latency are slower and worse than their 3G; I doubt VZW covers even half of their pops with usable LTE.

      • Jaden Keuten

        The most technical LTE penetration would go to AT&T who runs the lowest 700 MHz frequency. (Besides T-Mobile’s B12)

  • galaxyNote4isBoss

    The group you work for?? Isn’t that a sad joke I’d like to know group is this?? Stop lying you are unemployed nothing more nothing less.

    • squiddy20

      Let’s see, you call me a liar but have made such outrageous claims that you yourself could be considered a liar. For instance, you claimed rooting was for “2plus year old devices” and that 7 out of 10 Android devices are from Samsung. Shut up you hypocrite.

  • Hector Arteaga

    I just mapped T-Mobile’s coverage from Memphis TN to Brownsville TN (60 miles) on RootMetrics. That’s amazing, because three months ago, there was nothing. Looks like it is all on band 2.

  • TheCudder

    Still quite a bit of work to do. And why does it look like Florida may have actually LOST LTE coverage?

  • Jeffrey Wang

    Is it just me or did the Seattle area LOSE LTE coverage?

  • Brian Perez

    Good map but what i find interesting is that when you zoom in you can actually see that the coverage is not just 4G LTE its 4G and 2g coverage so it’s kind of these deceitful at first when you look at the coverage map. when you actually do look at a more local level you realize that it’s not just LTE coverage that you’re seeing this more than just that. but I am optimistic considering the fact that they are upgrad8ng the 2g coverage area.s coverage should be more reliable.

    • Teee Mo

      Check the coverage maps again. They just updated them yesterday (1/25/15) and it shows a substantial LTE buildout, which is accelerating through this year.

  • Hurryupenbye

    Tmobile sux in Central FL. Its like the fastest kid in school who can’t run straight. They rely solely on wifi calling to make calls. Pure trash.

  • Jamie

    Did some try signal booster for nTelos?