T-Mobile celebrates 1 year of LTE by launching major 2G/Edge network upgrade, and suing Verizon

12 months ago, T-Mobile kicked off its LTE rollout in the U.S., and since then hasn’t stopped its expansion. It’s gone from 0 to over 200 million POPs in a ridiculously short time, breaking records set by other U.S. carriers. As part of its 1-year anniversary celebration, Tmo has announced that it will begin repurposing its 2G/EDGE networks and upgrading them to 4G LTE. It also announced that by the beginning of next year, its A-block spectrum – recently acquired from Verizon – will be rolling out.

“Less than one year since launch, T-Mobile’s 4G LTE network already reaches 210 million people in 273 metro areas nationwide. Building on the unprecedented pace of its LTE rollout, T-Mobile is now kicking off a major new program to upgrade its 2G/EDGE network with 4G LTE. The company plans to complete 50 percent of the work this year alone, and expects the program to be substantially complete by the middle of next year. The upgrade will provide customers who currently experience 2G/EDGE coverage new access to 4G LTE, and many already covered by 4G LTE will enjoy access to 4G LTE in even more places. In addition, T-Mobile plans to begin deploying 4G LTE this year in the new 700 MHz A-Block spectrum the company is in the process of acquiring.”

This announcement marks the company’s determination to match its rivals’ LTE coverage for both speed and quality. And – despite the recent RootMetrics reports – T-Mobile clings to the fact that Ookla SpeedTest results show Magenta’s network to be the fastest on average. But perhaps the most impressive plan is that its aim is to get 50% of the EDGE upgrading to LTE done before 2014 is over. As for which areas and markets it’s going to focus on first, we don’t know. Hopefully we’ll get a clearer picture on that soon.

In a short announcement at the end of the release, T-Mobile also claims that it has taken legal action against Verizon for its misleading coverage maps, showing Tmo’s 4G in a bad light.

“T-Mobile has taken legal action demanding that Verizon cease and desist the carrier’s network map advertising, arguing that Verizon has cherry-picked a single network technology to depict in its ads rather than accurately reflecting the many technologies widely in use today. T-Mobile reaches over 230 million people nationwide with 4G HSPA+, which provides 4G coverage in many locations where LTE has not yet been rolled out.  This is in addition to T-Mobile’s nationwide 4G LTE coverage.”

Whether it’ll be successful is yet another story. It’s more likely Verizon will change the wording to make it less “misleading”. Regardless, it’ll be interesting to see how this situation plays out.

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  • fentonr

    This is great news. I knew they couldn’t ignore customer complaints forever.

    • MrJigolo

      The only thing that could go wrong now is being bought out by Sprint.

  • Jaramie Black

    This is good news! Hopefully they can get this completed ASAP!

  • xmiro

    that’s part of the 250+ million Neville talked about the other day

  • ar1000

    Great news! Makes me want to Jump on the $20 unlimited data before it becomes $30

    • Bill Berry

      Get the $30…way more data…$20 you’ll hit the roof in a day!

      • besweeet

        It’s currently only $20 before changing to $30 soon…

      • thepanttherlady

        *correction: You get double the tethering for $30. Both offer unlimited data.

  • mattdistro

    $30/month and 4G LTE in all the areas I’m currently stuck on EDGE? Count me in.

    • WW

      I think the story specified 50% of the EDGE areas are scheduled to be upgraded by end of 2014.

  • S. Ali

    96%*

    *As long as you don’t travel on highway’s, step into a building, go into a basement, ride the subway, or go 1-mile outside of a major metro

    • taron19119

      What part don’t u get t-mobile is working on all of that just be patience

      • S. Ali

        Isn’t that what Dan Heese told Sprint customers for the past 3 years?

        • taron19119

          my point exactly this is not sprint This is T-mobile and we have Jon ledger not Dan Heese

    • Chris Hilbert

      It’s all subjective. I got 2 bars LTE in my basement right now. Still hit over 15-25Mbps on speedtest at off-peak hours with my dinky residential tower too. Peak hours its 10-15Mbps. Verizon I once hit 8Mbps in my house.

      • S. Ali

        You’re right, coverage can very house to house, block to block, but the fact is T-Mo does not have significant coverage outside of major metros. At minimum, I’d like to see LTE on highways. Where I travel, I don’t even get 2G/Edge, I get GPRS (G).

        • Chris Hilbert

          I agree. LTE or bare minimum HSPA+ on the highway is what I’d like to see. Luckily when I’m driving, I don’t really use my phone except for the occasional call. Usage varies by user, I know some people Pandora/Spotify on the road…

        • Deadeye37

          I hear you on that! On my drive from SLC to Las Vegas on I-15, I don’t get any data, or get GPRS. Both ways, WAZE shows no network connection.

          Funny thing is that I went to edit the map in Waze and found that on that 6 hour drive, I only had EDGE coverage at about 9 spots, most of them covering about 6 miles of freeway. The only exceptions were around Cedar City and St. George where the EDGE network was longer. Everytime I saw a highway patrol car, it was always sitting outside of a data pocket, so I couldn’t report it in Waze.

        • Trevnerdio

          Did you say “at least LTE?” lolol come on, how about 42mbps HSPA+

      • Bill Berry

        Well congratulations, it’s 150K at best at my house and zero at our other one where there isn’t a T-Mobile tower within a 30 mile circle of Thomaston, GA. They sure don’t mind us paying for the same data plan though.

        • Chris Hilbert

          My sister is in the same boat. Pull up the coverage map and type in Hillsboro, OH. It’s like a circle of no coverage around that town.

        • Timothy Wallis

          Looking at the spectrum in that area, it looks like Hillsboro gets roped in with Cinncinati. Bascially, Cincinatti Bell has a good chunk of AWS which is why there isn’t LTE there. The new 700 Mhz A block covers that areas, so expect LTE sometime next year (probably).

        • WW

          Thomaston is a small rural town (we all know TMo isn’t known for their coverage in that scenario)…any idea what the population is there?

    • yankeesusa

      That’s weird. I have great coverage with them. On my last trip I only lost 4g for about 2 to 4 minutes

  • taron19119

    Oh my god hell just froze over did I read that right T-mobile is Upgrading 2g/EDGE Towards To LTE John ledger the best Thing ever to Happen to T-mobile

    • Spanky

      They have no other choice. If they don’t upgrade 2G/EDGE, they can’t compete.

    • Bill Berry

      Stop a moment! LTE in rural USA? I will accept HSPA+ like AT&T has done where by the way there are NO T-MOBILE TOWERS and that is their priority.

      • taron19119

        Time out T-mobile is only Woking with what it has one’s t-mobile puts LTE everywhere T-mobile will get more customers and more money then can expand to where they have no coverage

  • 2n3906

    Man!! This is just downright awesome news!!

  • Pirka

    When is uncarrier 5.0 coming out?

    • Adrayven

      One could argue that it’s likely the 2G/EDGE to LTE rollout is likely part of their Uncarrier 5.0

  • Spanky

    T-Mobile’s lawsuit has zero merit. Verizon’s ads specifically compare 4G LTE coverage.

    • Faux-G

      But when T-mo’s HSPA+ network is faster than Verizon’s LTE 3/4 times, where do you call the line?

      • 21stNow

        Location, location, location. Where I am, T-Mobile’s HSPA+, LTE and VZW’s LTE are all about the same speed.

        • Trevnerdio

          That must suck lol

      • kalel33

        RootMetrics states that Verizon is faster.

      • Spanky

        Again, Verizon specifically referenced 4G LTE. In this case, HSPA+ is a moot point.

    • yankeesusa

      Actually not really, Their map only shows some of the 2g or hspa sections. Not all of it together.

  • Adrayven

    If this were Sprint, they’d announce the upgrades, then 3 years later we’d be asking whats taking so long! ROFL!

  • thetruth

    what a joke. This is easy for VZW to combat. Their LTE network is larger than TMO’s entire HSPA/EDGE/LTE network.

    • 21stNow

      Yes, the VZW ads clearly say 4G LTE network. They are not focusing on everything that would be considered 4G by the competitors. This makes sense because LTE is VZW’s only 4G technology. Why would their ads mention something that the competition has that they don’t have?

    • yankeesusa

      Its not a joke for those in major cities that get great tmobile coverage that is faster than verizon. Like in my case and it the case of my brother in law and in he case of my cousing and in the case of dozens of my friends. But I know what you mean. With as much money as verizon customers pay they better have a good network

      • truth

        the difference is that VZW is actually reliable inside cities right now and TMO drops down to EDGE/GPRS when you walk into buildings. I STILL see edge holes in major cities all over the Northeast. Pathetic.

        • yankeesusa

          That may be true in some cases. For me I only drop to 4g in some cases which is still just as fast as Verizon lte most of the time. If course everyone is different.

        • besweeet

          Location, location, location.

          Don’t speak for the entire network.

        • hofocrusader

          RootMetrics and JDPower aren’t just BS. TMo wouldn’t be ranked as poorly as it did, if it weren’t true. RM has TM statistically WORSE than Sprint.

        • besweeet

          In general, they still are to be taken with a grain of salt. Unlike Sprint, T-Mobile actually won in some areas for some things. It’s all about location. I’d rather trust my own experience and research than what anybody else does. Anyone else can do the same by getting their $30 prepaid plan to see how things go.

        • vrm

          the truth is that people are fleeing sprint for tmobile.

        • Justin747

          On RT, T-Mobile shows worse than Sprint because of when they did the tests. A lot of tests were done prior to T-Mobile LTE launching. So what you see is an average of H+ and LTE.

          Look at almost any city after about August or September 2013 and compare Sprint to T-Mobile. Kansas City is a good example. Sprint’s HQ is located in the KC suburbs and Sprint’s network ranked dead last in KC

        • fsured

          I know people who didn’t have VZW signal inside their work buildings and pick up for LTE from T-Mobile after switching. Every network has their weak pockets and for the size of VZW, they should and do have the better all around network when everything is combined. No one argues they don’t.

        • jeff Grace

          Actually in a mall i stay at 4g when walk out i of mall i get LTE

        • vrm

          verizon will really turn red this year and at&t will be doing the reaming.

    • just me

      Heh, how typical. T-Mobile announces a plan to convert the EDGE areas to LTE and someone has to come in and whine anyway. You go ahead and keep clinging to your T-Mobile hate and I’ll continue to enjoy the more consumer-friendly policies while my LTE coverage improves.

      Sure, Verizon’s network covers more. But when you have a network that good, why have such misleading ads about the competitors?

      • Spanky

        Misleading? How??? The ad specifically refers to 4G LTE.

    • vrm

      verizon lies about their network- you should know the truth.

      sure, they may be a little better than tmobile but they need to worry about at&t, not tmobile or sprint. at&t will take lot of subscribers from verizon in 2014/2015- mark my words.

      • kalel33

        Little?

    • Stone Cold

      T-Mobile’s Coverage sucks thing is old news stop beating that dead horse it is a work in progress for some it is great others not so much.Name of this blog is Tmonews not Verizon coverage beats T-mo. Go somewhere else with this.

  • TBN27

    I said that this was eventually going to happen. And I was right. Looks like I will be with T-mobile for another decade if they aren’t sold to one of their competition.

  • yankeesusa

    This is great news. Maybe the rumors are true and deutsche telekom is going to put money into their us network and expand it instead of selling it.

  • Deadeye37

    Can I get a HALLELUJAH?!

    About time EDGE gets upgraded!

  • Guest

    Will Edge still run on these updated towers? For example, if I go in a building and my service drops from LTE to Edge (from what I assume is due to the high frequency not penetrating), then will this result in “No Service” since there’s no fallback? I realize the 700 MHz will be rolling out to alleviate this issue, but that won’t be in all markets.

    • besweeet

      I don’t see them going to LTE without putting some HSPA+ in-between. But if not, you’re correct. EDGE is pretty strong in rural areas, no?

      • taron19119

        They are running both EDGE/2g and LTE on the same Towards

    • sb

      EDGE/2G will still be in place at these sites. They cannot remove it because at this point LTE is Data only, it does not support voice. When your phone displays LTE and make a call it will drop you down to 2G to make the call.

      • Chris

        That won’t be a problem once VoLTE launches.

        • sb

          Lets hope VoLTE comes soon after, then this would make it so you would be able to talk and do data at the same time. If 2G is the only technology under LTE then that wont be possible unless the phone manufacturer is able to somehow enable both radios at the same time for this

      • jeff grace

        The idea behind a tower being refarmed is that yes 2G will still be there,for emergency scenarios ,as it at&t roaming agreementa for 911 calls for tmobile if necessary. What will happen since you are correct per say voice over lte V-LTE &Advanced calls will go to 4G not 2G

    • taron19119

      EDGE/2g and LTE
      Will Be on The same AWS Towards

  • Bill Berry

    2G/EDGE to LTE in rural USA? Or is the English translation HSPA+ like AT&T has deployed throughout the nation?

    • taron19119

      They are going to run 2/EDGE and /LTE on The same Towards

      • noyb

        *towers. Towards is a word of direction.

  • Chris

    It’sHappening.gif

    This is just too exciting. This is my only complaint for T-Mobile. It they honestly upgrade all of their edge to LTE they will be UNBEATABLE!!!!!!!!

    • taron19119

      They are going to use all the Edge towards will run both EDGE/2g and LTE

      • NOYB

        *towers. Towards is a word of direction.

  • David Tyler

    At least I know where I am heading to 15 months time.

  • SEBA

    I message John personally last year to get rid of that E from my phone. I told him my LTE was missing first 2 letters LT, I only had E

  • Paul

    The maps Big Red uses are also old maps; they don’t reflect the recent LTE coverage. Not sure they will win the case, but it will certainly make Big Red think a bit more about T-Mobile.

    I hope they can covert 50% of the edge/2g coverage by the end of the year. Not only am I tired of the complaints, it will also bring in new customers as well as expand our LTE map; another reason the other carriers will hate us even more. More customers = more revenue = technology upgrades for coverage.

    This is all great news.

    • Chris

      They would most likely win the case. Now whether they get compensation or not is up in the air. They would surely get Verizon to stop showing those commercials though.

      • vrm

        yeah, bring the shameless sham shammu to his knees.

      • Paul

        The reason I say they may not win is if Verizon puts that the maps are from last year as tiny text they can get away with it. It’s similar to how they put “dramatization” or “performed by professional on closed track” on commercials. If Verizon doesn’t put that the maps are older then Magenta has a case.
        However, I’m sure they will likely get something for bringing this to court. I do side with Magenta that the map is misleading the public.

        • kalel33

          Read the post by T-mobile again. They aren’t suing over the LTE coverage map, they’re suing for force Verizon to include HSPA+ coverage.

  • brian90

    When I saw this, I thought they would fill in their missing 2g(voice) coverage in their maps (which would be a good thing). They still have spotty coverage throughout many MAJOR cities and suburbs for even decent voice coverage. So, I would worry about getting voice before LTE.

    • Chris

      I wonder what you mean by “Major” cities. I’ve been around Major/Minor cities around my area (it’s not just 2 cities, it’s more than 15 cities close by) and I have no problem with T-mobile’s Voice Quality or call dropping. It’s actually my friends that have AT&T that keeps getting dropped calls.

      • ANTHONY

        I was about to say the same thing….Suburbs…I can see there may be some coverage issues with voice calls….but in Big Cities……..I also have traveled the US quite extensively and never a problem with call coverage…and the thing I find about TMO I like the most is that if you are on a phone call…depending on your phone…even if you have NO Bars…that call stays up….I repeatedly see that with my Galaxy Note 2…..I barely ever drop a call and there are some dead spots that I have to go through….keeps on workin…and I keep on talkin

        • brian90

          I have a Galaxy s4 and I drop calls like crazy. The local tmobile stores openly mocks the online tmobile maps as highly inaccurate.

      • fsured

        Omaha, Nebraska for example. This is a major city in the state and driving around you will go from 4g down to 2g and then back to 4g after moving past an area. There are plenty of cities/markets where the coverage looks like someone played darts on it and the holes from the darts are the spots offering only 2g and reduced quality in general. If they are going to upgrade the towers for LTE chances are they will make room on the tower by removing the old hardware from when 2g was first installed and replace it with new technology even if it still sends out at 2g signals. That should help voice quality since the hardware can handle different types of connections and more of them with better efficiency. Since the 2g signal is used for voice and travels further, the surrounding areas that overlap the tower signal should also get improved voice.

      • brian90

        is 3.5 million people Major enough??? I live in the suburbs of a MAJOR city and they show us as having very good coverage but even the local store says the tmobile maps are not accurate. We have dead zones like crazy.

    • fsured

      They may hit the major cities and suburban areas first with the upgrades to fill in these 2g pockets and make a true blanket LTE coverage for areas that won’t be covered in the spectrum from VZW. That would also give solid coverages as many customers will not upgrade to a 700mhz capable phone right away. This would boost their percentage of completed 2g areas faster while they start the from scratch back-haul upgrades needed for the 2g towers.

      • brian90

        They need more towers to “fill-in” suburbs and they aren’t building any around me.

  • sushimane

    T-Mobile throwing another punch to big red. They should win the law suit. Couple million dollars?

    • kalel33

      How are they going to win. Verizon commercials specifically state “LTE coverage”. T-mobile is suing them to force them to include HSPA+ coverage too. They aren’t disputing the LTE map.

  • Chris

    I always wonder when they were going to take action on those Verizon 4G LTE commercials. Even at the end of last year, I thought the T-mo map that Verizon was showing didn’t reflect what was currently on market for T-mo.

    • Verizonthunder

      Yes I agree I found their commercial misleading and not up to date also on Verizon now but soon will switch to T-mobile after this groundbreaking announcement.

    • kalel33

      Read the article again. T-mobile isn’t saying there is misrepresentation in the LTE map, just suing to try to get Verizon to include HSPA+ coverage.

  • Verizonthunder

    I assume this big change and radical network upgrade is because of three things one consumers/potential consumers, John Ledger and Dutch telecom finally giving assistance to help make this happen.

  • vrm

    I might agree with suing verizon over ads. I am surprised that at&t hasn’t already done that.

    I can buy the poor LTE coverage shown for tmobile but they actually show sprint’s coverage better than at&t !

    At this time, I wouldn’t be surprised if at&t LTE coverage exceeds verizon’s and putting together HSPA(+), at&t beats verizon handily in most markets.

  • fsured

    I think it has been Cincinnati, Ohio that readers here have reported the pop up of LTE in their 2g only city. This could have been a test run on the process to get it done efficiently. If they get this upgrade done successfully then At&t would really feel pressure as that is their major one up. T-Mobile has the better HSPA+ network without a doubt and currently more advanced LTE hardware.

    Sprint/Son, ugh, the thorn that could ruin it. An expansion like this would be a huge waste of resources for T-Mobile, and Sprint, if they were to merge and dismantle the GSM network for “Spark”. Maybe this is a unofficial way of saying the deal is not happening in T-Mobile’s view. Even though the DT CEO expressed favoring the company remaining longer until a better suitor is found etc, Son still maneuvering his intent to buy the company can’t fully remove the possibility that the offer could be made.

    More likely it means nothing other than their intent to not remain in stasis while Son makes up his mind and the regulator waiting period.

    • Kidney_Thief

      I just hope that DT waits the 18 months to sells stocks, then slowly starts dumping stocks onto the market. In the end it would be a lot better for T-Mobile.

    • KingCobra

      Cincinnati isn’t a 2G only market, they have HSPA+ 21, just no LTE.

      • Jarred Sutherland

        Cincinnati yes, but the surrounding suburbs/rural areas are still stuck in EDGE land and have been for a LONG time.

        • JB45

          how far out from Cincinnati are you talking about? There is HSPA 21 at least all the way out to Anderson Township and as far South past Florence. You get at least HSPA inside the 275 belt except near the Indiana border.

        • Jarred Sutherland

          I’m not inside the 275 loop. I would have zero problem with HSPA as it is extremely fast on Tmo, but again out in my neck of the woods we have nothing but EDGE as far as the eye can see.

          I am up 125 towards Bethel.

        • JB45

          Yeah you are out there. Since they are starting to upgrade here im sure they will start there too…im not sure what the spectrum looks like for Clermont County. But Hamilton County T-Mobile is struggling until the 700 closes.

        • Jarred Sutherland

          I’d say it’s the same here. I know CBW owns the spectrum they use for EDGE and they don’t want to push forward with any upgrades because of the cost, and the spectrum is worth a fortune so I doubt it would be worth T-Mobile buying it just for this area.

        • JB45

          Actually you might be in luck…looking at the 700 spectrum tmobile is getting it looks like Clermont County might be included as well.

        • Jarred Sutherland

          One can hope! With that new spectrum are the current crop of phones (Nexus 5) capable of broadcasting on it?

        • JB45

          No they wont be out till late 2014. My guess is the Note 4 might be the first one to come with it or at least I hope it is

      • fsured

        There is a location in that region of the country that only had 2g and people are now getting LTE. Way to many comments and articles to look through for it. This 2g -> LTE process has always been possible but cost $$$ that wasn’t available. The $$$ has to be coming from somewhere now.

      • JB45

        We are getting LTE but its the Northern Suburbs that are getting it. They still don’t have enough spectrum to run LTE in downtown Cincinnati/ Hamilton County until 700 closes and channel 51 is gone.

        • Jesito473

          Yeah I agree, Hamilton County and therefore most of Northern KY, are SOL till the middle of next year if lucky. Unless the Spectrum God’s decide to loosen a grip, Hamilton(City), West Chester, and I’ve even Middletown (read of someone getting lte up there too) will be the only places to get some form of Lte.

        • JB45

          My guess is it will be LTE from Dayton to 275. Which is getting better.

      • Aslan

        Cincinnati is a no signal market in my experience. My HTC HD7 works fine in Columbus Ohio and Houston Texas, but in Cincinnati there’s a ton of dead spots. I called and complained about the poor reception several times and was told there were no issues with the network. So I quit paying $58 a month for service I couldn’t use from home or work, and now I just turn the phone on a day or two a month when I feel like hiking up a hill to get a signal.

        (I abhor Windows phone, I had a Nexus One until last summer when I was robbed in Houston)

    • GuyBorg

      I look at it this way. T-Mobile has been gaining traction as being “the cool new carrier” that has a lot to offer in terms of what you get for the money. It is working, they are gaining customers, business is growing, and so is their technology. Regardless if you are for sale or not, you want to be a business that is in the business of making money. Without expansion and upgrades, you get left behind as I think T-Mobile has learned in the past, and they are attempting to learn from their mistakes in the past. The upgrades are needed regardless of sale or not, without the upgrades, people will begin to leave again, and the company will be worth less at the time of sale. Even if they do not sell(at least for now), at least the business is profitable and sustainable. I am sure at this point, DT would rather invest some money to stay relevant in the US wireless industry and grow, than throw away the major investment they made in T-Mobile years ago when they purchased them. Just my .02

      • fsured

        Fully agree.

  • bluemoon737

    Will this be another broken promise? Doesn’t everyone remember when 1900MHZ (most of their EDGE network) was going to be refarmed to HSPA+? Never saw it in my area (and I live less than a mile from I95) and now I’m to believe that they are going to go to LTE instead?

    • hanfeedback

      I believe it, I think it makes more sense, LTE is not a stop gap like HSPA+ was. And I dont think they can push it off any longer and theres a new mindset.

    • ⓜ@®!ⓞ G@®CI@ ™

      I Doubt it will be broken this time because now we have The leader ship of John Legere and Were now the Uncarrier it must be done!!

    • fsured

      The re-farm was used for specific purposes and still required markets to have the ample spectrum to shuffle around. These markets also had the 3g network infrastructure already in place. All they did was upgrade the needed hardware for HSPA+ while prepping the LTE groundwork by moving customers off the 1700mhz. The side bonus was At&t phones working at full speeds in the 1900mhz. The intent may never have been to re-farm the entire 2g coverage since the cost was too much. I don’t remember the articles from when this happened nor the claim for the entire 2g network would be upgraded.

    • Eric

      There was no promise as to how much of the 2G 1900MHZ network would be upgraded. They stuck mostly to metro areas because it served a higher population of people. This time they are indicating an upgrade of their entire 2G network, from what I can tell. So I trust them completely that this will happen. Plus, metro areas are already covered by LTE so upgrades have to happen in rural locations anyway. I can’t wait.

  • JennyC

    Seeing HSPA in Cedar City Utah for the last week! Woot!

  • Luis H

    Does this mean iPhone 4S’s and 1900MHZ phones will get 4G in 2G/Edge area’s?

    • taron19119

      No

      • enkay1

        Not necessarily. If LTE is coming, 4G HSPA+ might just come along for the ride. The new tower equipment they use for LTE can support HSPA+ with little extra work or cost.

        • taron19119

          why would T Mobile go backwards they just got rid of HSPA plus on the AWS towers and they’re only upgrading 2g on the Aws towards

        • randomnerd_number38

          Actually, they haven’t gotten rid of AWS HSPA+ anywhere. In some places they’ve reduced the amount of AWS spectrum sllocated to HSPA, but they have the spectrum now to have BOTH HSPA+ and LTE on AWS. Yes, the PCS is also being refarmed to HSPA+, but that doesn’t mean AWS HSPA+ has gone away.

        • Jay Holm

          I think Neville Ray is doing a fabulous job at CTO!!!

        • enkay1

          There aren’t separate towers for every frequency and T-Mobile isn’t getting rid of any HSPA+. A tower just holds up the equipment that broadcasts the network signal. T-Mobile has multiple technologies and frequencies on a signal tower.

          This upgrade is going to bring newer, faster technologies to all towers that currently only have 2G EDGE equipment installed on them.

  • Randall Lind

    What is this T-Mo covers 96% people statements John Legere is saying? Or is he sayig 96% has LTE coverage?

    • vrm

      96% population has SOME tmobile coverage- it includes LTE, HSPA(+), EDGE, GPRS etc.

      • Randall Lind

        Thanks for clearing that up for me. :)

  • ⓜ@®!ⓞ G@®CI@ ™

    This is Literally the Best news Hard core Magenta fans like me lol Have been waiting for literally I cannot be more happy to hear their finally upgrading their edge only areas, that is what kept/ keeping a lot of people from joining the best carrier in wireless and also the in building penetration issue but aside from that this is a HUGE step forward in the right direction! So Step aside Sprint, AT&T, And Verizon T-Mobile/John Legere is going full force and their going to kick Your Ass!! (Grabs Popcorn) …. Especially you Sprint Were passing you this Year! Now time for me or anyone lol to send Mr. Legere/T-Mobile on Twitter a huge thank you for listening to our customer pain points especially the 2G Only issue we all have regarding the network God I Love T-Mobile! FTW!!!! WOOOOOOO!!!!!!

    • JBLmobileG1

      Even better, they aren’t just upgrading their edge to just 3g, but full fledged LTE! Tmobile is definitely listening to their customers. ;)

      • Volker

        If it’s only LTE they’re upgrading to, I’d rather it have been HSPA+ that way we can use voice and data simultaneously. It they’re keeping GSM and only adding LTE, we won’t be able to do that.

    • Spanky

      If they have EDGE-only areas and building penetration issues that are preventing a lot of people from joining, then they aren’t really the best carrier, are they?

      • Stone Cold

        They are the best carrier for me.

  • KingCobra

    The best news I’ve heard from TMO in a long time. I wonder what areas they are going to do first? If they get HSPA+ up and running along the major interstates and the EDGE areas of Eastern NC, then I’ll be very content. This announcement has to have AT&T/VZW somewhat afraid.

  • Mystery Man

    How does this apply to current phones like d4 and note 3. Will they be compatible and edge will become LTE or is this only for unreleased phones?

    • fsured

      This won’t affect any of the phones functionality negatively. It would allow the handsets to connect to the faster network in more places which is a positive. The 2g network won’t go away for awhile. It is like a fail safe switch if something were to cause the 4g/LTE networks to go down then all the handsets can still jump on the 2g signal. The 2g network also brings in some revenue from international travelers who’s phones don’t work on the 3g/4g/LTE networks we use in the states.

      • Jay Holm

        Umm, isn’t what this article says is that 2G EDGE is being repurposed, as in shut off?

        • Kidney_Thief

          You can’t shut off EDGE or you wouldn’t be able to make phone calls, not to mention all the legacy devices that still need to be supported. EDGE isn’t going anywhere.

        • Durandal_1707

          If they reuse the spectrum that EDGE is using to put up HSPA+, you can make phone calls just fine. When AT&T bought Verizon’s divested spectrum in the West and Midwest, they converted the CDMA network straight to HSPA+, and didn’t bother putting up any 2G GSM network at all. T-Mobile could do the same thing; after all, it is 2014, and hopefully most people have migrated at least to 3G phones by now. For those that haven’t, T-Mobile could do what AT&T did with people’s existing CDMA phones and just offer a free trade-in to a new phone.

          Alternatively, they could implement VoLTE, and then they wouldn’t need anything else.

        • TMOguy

          No, that’s not the way I read it.. It will be awhile before we lose 2G/GSM. The main reason is all the M2M contracts we have have. All the devices (alarm systems, cars) with SIM cards installed use the 2G network. It will be awhile before those are on 3G/4G/LTE. This is not new, VZW & ATT have the same problem.

  • sahib102 .

    WOOT!!!!! I’ve been waiting for this for a long time !! this is the news everyone has been wating for !

  • T-blw

    God Tmobile is such a sore looser. Regardless if VZW’s maps are 100 accurate or not, Tmobile’s coverage is sad, especially in the Lte department. Face it guys, Verizon has and will always have a broader and dependable coverage, even if it’s 3G. Can’t say the same about Tmobile. I hope they loose their law suit, but then again, poor Tmo can use all the money it can get their hands on.

    • thepanttherlady

      Now, now Lowell, calm down a bit. No need to bust a gasket over this news.

      Oh, and it’s loser. ;)

      • JJCommonSense

        Pantherlady your posts bring me so much joy lolol

      • JaswinderSinghJammu

        You tell him how to spell in this day and age of spell checker. Lol

      • SEBA

        LoL

      • Stone Cold

        Hahahaa much love my friend.

    • John Smith

      Verizon’s is horrible….just HORRIBLE, slow, and WAY overpriced compared to T-Mobile. That’s why they’re continually losing more and more market share to T-Mobile. They’ll lose even more on the 23rd of this month when T-Mobile DOUBLES every data plan for free. Verizon can’t even come close to matching…. Verizon: AKA Titanic 2.

      • kalel33

        How are they losing market? They’ve added more customers each and every quarter than any other carrier.

      • Verizonthunder

        You are incorrect John Smith Verizon is the only carrier with gained customer growth. Overpriced yes and no, Yes at the beginning way too much money but the same could be said for the other carrier’s too as the years progressed with so much has changed the pricing is much more affordable than just 10 year’s ago. The battle now is over data coverage/data speed and price.

    • TechHog

      Damn, you’re salty

    • fsured

      The only thing Verizon has on this 3g over T-Mobile is coverage. T-Mobile 3g is the faster network and more advanced. It allows more function such as tehtering and not dropping that connection signal if a txt or phone call comes in. If we want to technical, the HSPA+ is 3g which is far superior to Verizon/At&t/Sprints 3g networks.

      No one argues that overall Verizon offers the more solid network which is why people continue to pay what they do. The company knows it and would sue T-Mobile or any other for misrepresenting this the same way T-Mobile is suing for being misrepresented. Hell any company would sue for misrepresentation and possible loss of business in similar situations.

      • kalel33

        Even T-mobile isn’t arguing that they are misrepresenting their LTE coverage, only that they want their HSPA+ coverage included in the commercials.

      • Spanky

        AT&T also has HSPA+ (albeit it’s HSPA+21) and its coverage footprint is significantly larger than T-Mobile’s.

        • fsured

          Correct that they do and I’m not talking about coverage. T-blw claims Verizon 3g is better. Technology wise it is far inferior and the level of HSPA+ T-mobile has is more advanced than At&t. In this T-Mobile has the better 3g network of all carriers when comparing the technology aspect.

        • Spanky

          My work phone is an iPhone 4S (no LTE capability) on Verizon and their 3G is absolutely horrid. Usable, but extremely slow.

    • besweeet

      I hope that you’ll know the difference between “lose” and “loose” by the time you comment again.

  • KingCobra

    On the notion of suing Verizon over the LTE coverage maps, I suggest T-Mobile actually offer a coverage map to their own customers which shows the LTE coverage without you having to zoom in and click on certain areas.

    • kalel33

      From the article, they are not suing over Verizon misleading about T-mobile’s LTE, they are suing because they want Verizon to show their HSPA+ included with the maps. That won’t happen because the commercials specifically state LTE coverage, not just 4G coverage.

      • Spanky

        Agreed. Verizon commercials specifically reference 4G LTE.

  • kev2684

    it’s about time!!!! i’m in Jacksonville, FL and i still have edge at my flat. i expect them to upgrade towers in my area

  • JJCommonSense

    GO TMOBILE GO!!!

    • fsured

      Ha, Speed Racer.

  • Volker

    My sister lives in a 2G area right now. I hope they don’t only add LTE, but also add HSPA+. If it’s only LTE, that means she (along with the rest of the GPRS/EDGE customers nationwide) will not be able to use the internet while on a phone call…

    • Nicholas

      By that time, they could implement VoLTE which T-Mobile has talked about doing. Only time will tell.

      • Roger Sales

        I think that the reason why EDGE is being replaced is probably because voLTE is in end stages of testing and will be easy to implement/will be implemented when they get around to upgrading the towers.

    • enkay1

      If they are rolling out LTE the way they have in other areas, the new Ericsson AIR and Nokia Flexi equipment they are using should bring HSPA+ along for the ride too.

    • TMOguy

      Let’s assume they just upgrade the tower to LTE only, no HSPA+.. The tower would still have GSM/2G/EDGE as well. GSM would be used for phone calls, the LTE for data only. That would be a nice setup. Honestly, if you have a really good LTE signal you don’t need HSPA+ (although I agree I don’t think simultaneous voice and data would work without HSPA+). That would be the only drawback,

      • kalel33

        LTE is GSM technology.

        • Cellphone Chris

          I think he meant GPRS(1G)/EDGE(2G)/HSPA(3G)/HSPA+(4G) and LTE(4G).

  • bozzykid

    I think some people miss the fact that most current phones will not actually get LTE in these areas after these upgrades assuming they are using the 700mhz block. But it is great for the future and is much needed.

    • besweeet

      Since they’re working on a lot of it this year, and they won’t be utilizing the 700A LTE spectrum until next year, chances are it’ll run on the same frequencies as they are now.

      • Stone Cold

        With the LTE-A does that mean new radios in all phones or a patch of sort to allow older phones to work?

        • Jay Holm

          LTE-A means Category 4 LTE and above, so yes, new smartphones will be necessary.

        • besweeet

          If it’s anything like AT&T’s LTE-A, you’ll need newer devices.

    • Kidney_Thief

      “The upgrade will provide customers who currently experience 2G/EDGE
      coverage new access to 4G LTE, and many already covered by 4G LTE will
      enjoy access to 4G LTE in even more places. In addition, T-Mobile plans
      to begin deploying 4G LTE this year in the new 700 MHz A-Block spectrum
      the company is in the process of acquiring.”

      They’ll deploy LTE on current AWS bands, then later on deploy LTE in the A block.

  • enkay1

    This is all well and good but they better get the best backhaul or it will all have been for nothing. (See Sprint’s fully upgraded 3G network with only two T1s behind it)

  • Nick Gonzalez

    That headline is funny.

  • PiCASSiMO

    If they would REALLY focus on getting improvements in the NORTHWEST SUBURBS OF CHICAGO, I would really appreciate it. In the past months, I’ve experienced 3 different location with EDGE and NO SERVICE:

    https://goo.gl/maps/iutdX

    http://i.imgur.com/d3iyA3g.png

    Some of the area’s I’ve complained for about 3-years to no upgrades what so ever. All running on my T-Mobile G2, Nexus 4, and now Nexus 5 phones.

    • Guest

      Funny, considering I get four to five bars of LTE in all suburbs around Chicago, extending to Hoffman Estates and Wisconsin. Five bars of LTE 95% of Chicago, even Downtown.

      • GuyBorg

        I have the same experience, LTE everywhere I go in chicagoland. I also live in the far northwest suburbs.

    • Mirad77

      I get one bar (but constantly) of LTE in my basement in Elgin, IL. I also see LTE while out and about almost all the surrounding area.
      Which northwest suburbs are you talking about?

      • PiCASSiMO

        See my links in the above post for the Google maps exact locations.

  • TechHog

    The Sprint deal will bring this to a screeching halt, unfortunately.

    • randomnerd_number38

      I’m actually upgrading my outlook on that from “DOOOOOOMMM” to cautiously optimistic. It really is starting to look less and less likely that Sonny Boy will get what he wants. I think a better plan for DT is to wait the full 18 months and then start slowly divesting their stock. Such a course of action would allow T-Mobile the time to build upon their big gains and really start becoming financially independent. I take this network announcement as a very good sign.

      • Stone Cold

        Yep I like this 18 months allows them to let TMUS become wholly owned US company and maybe work a deal to keep the T-Mobile name.

        • Jay Holm

          That isn’t going to happen anytime soon. Getting nationwide licenses to the 600mhz spectrum is far more important than gaining full ownership, and least in the next 2yrs.

        • Stone Cold

          One can hope though right Jay?

        • Kidney_Thief

          Just because DT puts them on the market doesn’t mean T-Mobile has to buy them. They can simply divest the stock on the open market and wash their hands clean of them, officially, as far as I know.

      • philyew

        I doubt they would divest more than 16% so that they retain a controlling interest until they can entirely exit their position. Since DT are the largest creditors of the company, I think they will want to retain control of the decision-making processes.

        • Timothy Wallis

          I couldn’t see Sprint making a bid for T-Mobile without aiming for controlling stake.

        • philyew

          In case there’s any confusion, I’m talking about the option of drip-feeding DT’s current 67% holding into the market, which was being discussed by previous posters.

          I think you are right that large corporate interests in the industry would want to acquire a controlling stake, which is another reason why DT wouldn’t relinquish more than a relatively small part of their currently holding.

        • KB

          DT would make more money holding until someone can get the regulatory approval to buy the whole 67%. A controlling stake is worth more than the base value of the stock, so a slow sale would be worse unless T-mobile US stock increases considerably in the next two years.

        • philyew

          Yes, I don’t think they would consider any partial sale that dropped their share below 51% and most likely will hold onto the full 67% till they find a buyer for the whole deal.

  • Jay Holm

    Well then I guess that’s it, I won’t be upgrading until there are 700mhz A-Block phones to choose from, I will just sit tight and be happy with my S4 for the time being. This is very, very exciting news!!!

    • JB45

      maybe Note 4!?!?!

      • Jay Holm

        Likely, but I don’t like monster phones! Perhaps they will come out with a special edition S5 later, kinda like how they came out with an LTE enabled S3.

    • GuyBorg

      I believe the current HTC One supports 700mhz. It was previously stated last year when the phone was released that the T-Mobile version was the one to have over the AT&T version. Info gather here as well. http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one-5313.php

      • Nurdface Gamerhandz

        ATT uses a different band of 700 MHz. No phones have LTE bands in the 700 MHz A block that T-Mobile bought.

  • Chad Dalton

    Oh finally, this is news i have been waiting for. Although i get 3g speeds at home, but only EDGE at work, which sucks. I hope NC is more to the front of the line…i know i’m definitely switching to the $70 unlimited plan, now!

    • Turb0wned

      You mean $80 unlimited plan now. Price went up.

      • thepanttherlady

        It’s $70. The price doesn’t go up until March 23rd.

      • chad

        Yea it goes up after March 23…

    • KingCobra

      Yeah I’m in Charlotte but the Central part of the state and definitely Eastern NC will benefit a lot from this upgrade.

  • randomnerd_number38

    Awesome! I like that 250 million by the end of 2014 figure, but considering this initiative is supposed to run till mid-2015, I really wonder what the new figure will be then. Plus, if we’re lucky, around that time the 600mhz auctions will start. If T-Mobile can pick up even a 10mhz nationwide block of that, we’ll suddenly have the lower spectrum to really start blanketing that LTE goodness AND an amazing high band network in major cities. This in addition to having 10mhz of 700mhz we already bought in a lot of places! The future sure is looking bright for T-Mobile!

    • Jay Holm

      The 700 spectrum is a 10×10 chunk of spectrum? For some reason I thought it was 5×5.

      • enkay1

        It is 5+5MHz or 10MHz total.

        • Jay Holm

          Oh, I guess that other guys comment mislead me.

        • randomnerd_number38

          Haha, my bad. I’ll start using “5+5” instead :P

        • Jay Holm

          Thanks. More easily understood that way.

    • Kidney_Thief

      Anything less than a 20 + 20 MHz block of 600 MHz spectrum is a joke. That will be the last time for a long time that low band spectrum will be made available and T-Mobile needs to look to the future, both in terms of speed and capacity.

      • randomnerd_number38

        I don’t know about that. The places with the most population density- major metros- already have fairly dense LTE with plans to go to 20+20 in a lot of places using existing spectrum holdings. I guess 10+10 would be better, but I’m trying to be realistic here. Considering Verizon spent 4.7 billion on their 700mhz C-Block spectrum back in 2007, where is T-Mobile gonna get the funds to buy double that in 2015?

        A lot of this also depends on how the FCC bundles this spectrum, but I think saying “anything less than 20+20 is a joke” is a massive overstatement. I stand by my assertion that 5+5 combined with the 700mhz A-Block TMUS is buying and the fact that they already have dense urban networks would be plenty to be very competitive.

        • Kidney_Thief

          The problem here is that they plan to expand their footprint (read: places where their EDGE network is not) with the 600 MHz spectrum, so there won’t be an AWS LTE network to fall back on, so yeah, they need a lot of spectrum. 140 Mb/s may be crazy fast by today’s standards, but do you think it’ll be acceptable in five years? I doubt it. T-Mobile has been selling themselves as the most modern and capable network and to neuter it by serving up a lesser network to 80+ million people would be, well, kind of dumb.

          Additionally, the A block is mostly in areas where T-Mobile has, or will have, LTE, so it doesn’t really do much for their footprint issue that they’ve already admitted is a serious problem.

          If T-Mobile can pay 2.37 billion for a slice of 700 MHz spectrum, I have no problem believing that they’re willing to spend even bigger for a wider swath of 600 MHz spectrum, considering their ARPU went up dramatically since the beginning of the Uncarrier movement.

        • randomnerd_number38

          Mostly fair points, but to clarify, are you suggesting that they will build towers in new places and NOT have AWS on those towers? Why wouldn’t they? They have nationwide AWS licenses. The 600mhz will obviously carry a lot farther from the towers, but with the limited people in rural areas that will utilizing it, I’m pretty sure capacity will be a non-issue, as long as they place towers correctly so AWS reaches as many people as possible and 600mhz is used mainly for reach.

          And honestly? Yes, I do think that 140mbps will be acceptable in 5 years. I think for a lot of people, even 20mbps will be acceptable in 5 years. Call me shortsighted if you like, but I think we’re gonna see a slowdown in how fast the power of mobile devices is increasing and thus a slowdown in the rate of increase of mobile data consumption. The majority of people are on fast smart phones in the US now. The people who haven’t made the jump will continue to be slow to adopt, so in rural areas with less people on the towers, 5+5(or 10+10 in places where the 700mhz spectrum will be) should be sufficient. At least for the next decade IMO. But I guess by then, 5G will be the new big push and we’ll start this whole dance over again.

          Anyway, I’d love for T-Mobile to have 20+20 600mhz spectrum too, but I don’t see it happening. I’m very hopeful for 5+5 or mayyybbe 10+10 though. Believe me, I would be through the roof happy if I’m wrong about that though.

        • Kidney_Thief

          Just like you said, it’s pretty much down to physics. It’s not economical to build, or co-locate on so many towers when 600 MHz can cover a ton more ground. I’m no physicist, but a single 600 MHz tower would cover more than four times the area of an AWS tower, which puts T-Mobile in a much better position to actually be profitable.

          For T-Mobile, 600 MHz is their golden goose, and their path to competing with the likes of Verizon and AT&T, which Neville Ray has all but said is their desire. You can bet that AT&T and Verizon aren’t going to sleep on these auctions, either, and T-Mobile needs to make some serious plays to stay on par with them.

  • Jay Holm

    Any news at all about T-Mobile’s Wideband LTE network, . . .anywhere other than Dallas???

    • JaswinderSinghJammu

      I had the same question but even T Mobile would not divulge the exact roll out schedule. I am keeping my fingers crossed in San Jose as they were one of 7 first cities to get LTE

    • SEBA

      Nope and this article makes me even more confused. I though they will start rolling out in the middle of this year, now it says in 2015.

      • Cam Bunton

        Wideband LTE is the 20+20 network. That’s currently being activated in 4-5 of the main metro areas. Dallas was one of those.

        The 700MHz A-block spectrum is something different entirely, and doesn’t technically belong to T-Mobile yet. The deal with Verizon should be all signed off by June/July, with the airwaves being deployed at the end of this year/beginning of 2015.

        • Jay Holm

          This process is taking way, way too long! In the meantime, I’m not upgrading until there are smartohones to choose from with 700-A support, I’m happy with my S4 for the time being.

          I was just wondering if anyone knew of anywhere I ther than Dallas that has the new Wideband LTE network, I’d really like to know.

  • John Brown

    And I just switched to Verizon yesterday. Ugh!!!!! At least t no will be kicking ass once my contract is up in 2016

    • Jay Holm

      If you want to leave, Tmo will still pay out your ETF.

      • John Brown

        I might think about it once LTE is available in rural Cincinnati. Currently its still 2g and no signal in my apartment. Cincinnati doesn’t even have LTE yet (thank you Cincinnati Bell for taking all the remaining 1900mhz spectrum for your worthless service)

        • bt

          I get HSPA+ all over here. It was 6mbs down the other day when I checked and it works fine. If you are talking a bit outside 275 then yeah you might be hitting 2G.

        • John Brown

          I’m talking about Batavia, owensville, Amelia, bethel, Fayetteville, mt. Orab, and everywhere else out here that has 2g only or nothing at all. Verizon and att are expensive! Give us country bumpkins a network we can afford and use.

        • Bori

          Yeah, nothing but 2G hell out there lol. For now i think you’ll be fine sticking with VZW. I’m sure by the time you are up for a renewal or close to, things will be a hell of a lot better.

        • JB45

          Yea Butler County is getting LTE now. Maybe once the 700 goes through he will be able to get it that far out.

        • Roger Sales

          How is CBW’s service anyway? do they offer LTE at all?

        • John Brown

          No LTE and the most unreliable service around. Millions of dropped calls. Roaming everywhere outside of Cincinnati and Dayton. Its as bad as their zoomtown and fioptics. They need to stick to landline phones and dissolve under extinction

        • bt

          I had them for a while. Very slow data. I had no problems out of town and not many dropped calls – about the same as tmo. Call quality was terrible and it’s overpriced for what you get.

        • bkin94

          there are reports on Howard forums of LTE in Cincinnati. you may want to seriously consider that return window…

    • bob90210

      And that’s why cell phone contracts are bad for consumers. They tie you to the carrier even though your needs or the competition changes.

      • John Brown

        As soon as I can get a t mo prepaid phone to test reception and 3g or 4g becomes available I will break up

    • Stone Cold

      There is a 14 day return policy

      • Jay J. Blanco

        I think it may be 7 now

    • Sarm

      you do know you have 14 days to cancel and switch back to t-mobile right?

  • Jay J. Blanco

    This is the best news in the world. Finally omfg!!!!!! I hate 2G. Die 2G die!!!! Lol *goes back to read article*

    And finally I hated Verizon trying to false advertise tmobile 4G network. I hope tmo wins

    • Zacamandapio

      :D
      Good one.

    • kalel33

      T-mobile isn’t saying that Verizon is using false advertising with the LTE maps. They are suing because they think their HSPA+ coverage should be included in the maps.

      • Jay J. Blanco

        Oh I know that. It’s just the lte map is outdated anyways.

      • kpb321

        Unfortunately, I don’t think T-mobile will have much luck on this because they specifically say 4g LTE not 4g and as far as I can recall that has always been the case. Sure t-mobiles 4g HSPA+ coverage may be much better and nearly as fast in real world usage as verizon’s 4g LTE but verizon isn’t wrong in what it is saying.

  • Baz

    Best news I’ve read in a long time. I crave for the day when my town in Northern Delaware is lit up with LTE! It’s a major suburb of Wilmington, yet we are cursed with 2G. No excuse in this day and age. Great job TMo and Legere! Keep up the great work, and don’t sell to Son or Sprint.

    • Stone Cold

      Son and Sprint are basically one and the same

      • Mark Reese

        Marry me….please ???

        • Stone Cold

          UMMMMMMMMMM WHAT??????????????????????

        • Mark Reese

          So thats a no….. nevermind i bet u dont look like ur pic anyway

  • Eric00

    Wow! Can’t wait to see what the other carrier’s responses will be to this. Not only is this news great, but then the fact that they will get even better coverage will the A-Block spectrum purchase! WOW! T-Mobile you are making me one happy, satisfied, customer. Please don’t break your promise!
    Go T-Mobile!

  • Eric

    And people thought I was lying last year.

  • dontsh00tmesanta

    Go tmo

  • Techngro

    What does this mean for data caps that revert to 2G after the cap is reached?

    • Jay Holm

      Data caps??? I don’t know anything about evil data caps! I have **Unlimited Data**!

      • besweeet

        More like “high-speed data caps.”

        • Jay Holm

          No such thing for me. I like to actually be able to USE my smartphone! Which is why I’m with T-Mobile, truly Unlimited high-speed data.

        • Guest

          Then pay more for the unthrottled plan.

        • TechHog

          He already does. You seem very slow

        • thepanttherlady

          Maybe just throttled. ;)

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Jay… I used 7.2 GB last month! A new record for me!

        • Jay Holm

          Very good! You USE your smartphone! I’m a bored security guard, so my smartphone helps me pass the time.

        • secano

          Used 40GB of data last month. No caps.

        • Jay Holm

          And yet the network still doesn’t suffer, and continues to work just fine!

        • besweeet

          I hit close to 60GB. Will probably tone things down a bit.

        • philyew

          Yup, when I asked Legere why he’d upped the price of unlimited, he said “Ask besweeet…” LOL! /jk

        • besweeet

          Although I do feel kinda guilty for using that much… It’s people like us who might drive up their costs. Then again, unlimited is unlimited, so… :D

    • SZL

      There are no data cap. Just throttling. Your throttled speed has nothing to do with the EDGE/2g network. You can still get throttled on HSPA/LTE network.

    • Nurdface Gamerhandz

      you don’t actually get kicked onto the 2G network, you’re software capped at 128kbps (2G speeds)

      This shows most in your latency, if you run a speedtest while on “2G Speeds” in an LTE area you’ll get LTE latency instead of EDGE latency, which is 4-6x more

      • Techngro

        Ok. I kinda knew that. I don’t know what I was thinking with that question. lol

    • joevisual

      they still slow you down even if your on LTE signal.

  • Elier Ruiz

    Hopefully when I’m Marseilles, IL in May there’ll be some LTE and not spotty 2G signal on my phone.

  • Aaron H

    Has anyone noticed any increases in speeds as of today?

    • SEBA

      No, what are your speeds?

      • Aaron H

        On a good day I just barely break 1 mbps in Santa Maria Ca. Today I was able to hit 2.6 mbps. I tried it twice at noon today and it was constant both times.

        • Aaron H

          Just tried again 3 times outside and now I get nothing lol. Maybe they are in the process of updating or maybe it was just a fluke. Im just glad I have wifi. lol

        • SEBA

          I feel sorry for you, my speeds 25-60 down…

  • shatter

    Well US carrier monopoly is over now, expect massive price cuts when this is done. That’s all they have been missing is LTE outside of major cities.

    • mistermix

      Have you looked at a prepaid coverage map lately? It’s not just speed, it’s presence, and T-Mobile doesn’t have that.

      • KingCobra

        There aren’t that many places where T-Mobile has absolutely no coverage. Unless you’re in the dustbowl or WV, this is pretty significant news.

        • Ransomexx

          Mom lives around the corner from Taylor Swift’s cottage in RI. In Watch Hill, RI it is 4G, across the river in Pawcatuck, CT it is 0G, no signal. The CT coast is just as populated as RI.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Uh… CT is pretty darn good, thank you. There’s EDGE in most places where 4G is unavailable. Central and NW Connecticut is troublesome sometimes, but as a whole the network is quite excellent around there.

        • Jay Holm

          I currently live in Ct, really the only place I would complain about Tmo in Ct would be Willimantic. Other than that, strong signal, solid coverage, and fabulous data speeds all throughout Hartford, Waterbury, New Haven, and Fairfield areas. I even got 40.7mbps one time in Westport Ct!

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          You’re in CT? :-D So am I!

        • Jay Holm

          I live im Waterbury (unfortunately), but am planning a move to a suburb of Seattle, no state income tax in Washington!!!! Scre see you Connecticut, more money in MY pocket when I move to Washington.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Haha, WATERBURY! (Famous political city.) I feel your pain. I frequent Waterbury, New Haven, Westport, Norwalk, Branford, Madison, Guilford, Willimantic, Fairfield/Fairfield Metro, Bridgeport, Clinton, and Westbrook, but I don’t live here 24/7.

          Washington? I was thinking of heading down to Texas, Georgia, South Carolina, or Florida. Can’t take this cold anymore! (And the taxes here are RIDICULOUS. Almost as bad as Cali)

        • Jay Holm

          You can’t go wrong with any of the places you mentioned. Good political, tax, and economic environment in S.C., Tx, and Fla! Weather too.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Jay Holm, marry me. (Just kidding.) HAHAHA! Sounds like we have a lot in common.

          About to crack a cold one and read up on this VZW bit. :-D

        • Jay Holm

          Hmm. . .are’ya female? So in Washington, I will still be in a green environment, with lots of bodies of water, mild climate,…and **NO SNOW**!!!

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          True, true. And WA is beautiful. And no, haha my name is Klaus! :-D

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Middletown and Wallingford are excellent for T-Mo.

          Ever go to Durham, tho? :-D

        • Jay Holm

          I find myself in Wallingford cause my car dealership is there and I make my car payments at a bank in Wallingford, and on occasion I find myself at the Walmart Supercenter in Wallingford, but far more often go to the one in Naugatuck, closer to Wtby.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          I laugh every time I go to Willimantic. :-) That’s an area that could stand for some 4G love!

  • Canyouhearmenow

    I would much rather them focus on their cell signal in areas where you get zero service or none ot speak of. There are a few places I go (and a couple spots here and there I travel regularly with zero reception) I could care less about browsing faster if I can’t get a signal at all to make a call

  • Steven D.

    Luckily I live in Houston, TX where T-Mobile coverage has always been just as good, if not better than Verizon and AT&T.

  • philyew

    While this is good news, of course, I can’t help thinking there’s a fair amount of smoke and mirrors involved. Why?

    Well, their original program was to bring LTE to the full footprint of their current 3G/HSPA+ service. That covered around 200 million when it started but it’s grown to 230 million over the course of time as a result of ad hoc cell site upgrades.

    Each cell site newly provisioned for HSPA+ service is automatically capable of supporting LTE, once the backhaul is adequate, so the target for reaching 230 million by the middle of the year was essentially set in the “Reinvigorated Challenger Strategy” announced two years ago, in early 2012.

    http://newsroom.t-mobile{dot}com/phoenix.zhtml?c=251624&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1805918

    The year end target therefore adds only 20 million POPs to what is already a part of existing plans and natural progression through the normal maintenance program.

    The maximum program of newly planned activity for 2014 adds just 9% more POPs covered by LTE than was the case before this announcement (i.e. 20M/230M = 8.7%).

    If coverage of any of the 250M turns out to be delivered by 700MHz deployment, then that percentage diminishes further. *** The numbers for 2014 are all based on use of AWS/PCS, so this won’t apply ***

    Is this program good news? Of course. Any improvement in coverage is welcomed.

    Is it a big deal? Maybe not as much as it seems. We’ll need to hear the detail of where they choose to start filling in.

    • taron19119

      Your missing one big thing t-mobile is growing and growing fast and needs to upgrade all of the 2g/EDGE Towers to keep all of the customers and keep getting new customers

      • philyew

        I’ve gone through this a dozen times or more, but one more time won’t harm…

        The potential market in their existing 3G/HSPA+/LTE footprint is 230M, which is 184M more than their entire subscriber base at the moment. The population throughout the rest of the country is less than half that, at 84M.

        It therefore makes most sense for TM to invest most of their money in getting as competitive as possible in their existing 3G/HSPA+/LTE footprint, because that’s where the most growth potential resides and where the cost of deployment is lowest. Their potential Return on Investment is obviously highest here.

        Now, there are clearly some locations falling outside that 3G/4G footprint which have a higher than average potential to attract visitors who will be requiring temporary service: main highways, resorts, small cities/large towns located along some of those main highways. I have no doubt that a substantial part of the added 20M POPs coverage will be created in those types of locations, but it is still only going to address a small part of the 2G-only coverage area; less than 25% in terms of POPs (20M/84M) and way less than that in terms of physical geography.

        Remember, I’m not the one who’s coming up with these numbers. TM announced that there will only be 20M POPs added on top of their existing plans during 2014, not me.

        • Ransomexx

          The flaw in your thinking is that people travel. If a connection is substandard or insufficient people become upset. I live outside a major city (philly) and my download speed is between 20kb and 1kb. This means no video, ever.

        • philyew

          They also have poor signals indoors in the cities. Ask someone in NYC if they would prefer a better connection in their home/workplace or coverage on a trip they might make once or twice a year.

          Yes, people want coverage when they travel, but that coverage is useless, if the customer is still going to go to Verizon or AT&T because they have better indoor service where they spend 90% of their time.

          Look at where TM have spent their money in the last 2 years, and where the continue to spend their money. They just dropped $3.4 billion in cash and spectrum holdings on acquiring 700MHz licenses which mainly replicate, or marginally extend their existing 3G/4G footprint. Why? Because it is the long awaited answer to the indoor signal problem. This isn’t a flaw in my thinking, it’s a rock-solid fact about what TM have been doing with their money.

          I’ve already said I expect them to direct some of this effort towards highways and resorts where people travel, but the bulk of the POPs will come from the larger CMAs in the top 125 markets and they will take care of that 20M target pretty quickly.

        • @philyew:disqus, Neville Ray has said publicly at the investor conference held by Deutsche Bank that the 250M POPs is entirely AWS and PCS. Not a drop of it is from 700MHz. He believes T-Mobile will make the big splash on 700MHz next year.

        • philyew

          Even so, Conan, the new 2014 target only extends the existing target under the old plans by 20M POPs. They can take care of that in around 25-30 of the next largest CMAs, along with a some highways and resorts.

          This isn’t the big push for rural coverage that a lot of people are interpreting it to be. I wish it was, but it still makes most sense to attack cities and suburbs where most of their potential customers reside.

        • Edgar

          But why they say here they will upgrade the 2G/EDGE network

        • philyew

          When they reach 230M they will have finished adding LTE to their existing 3G/HSPA+ footprint, which has been their target for two years. After that they move onto the areas that are 2G-only.

          The target for 2014 is another 20M POPs, but there is a misconception that all the 2G-only areas are rural. In fact, there are probably approaching 200 markets defined as metropolitan which are covered by 2G-only. 180 of them have populations of 100,000 or more. The largest ones still awaiting TM’s 3G/4G services are between 300,000 and 500,000 in size, so it won’t take that many of them to cover that 20M POPs that they are shooting for. They aren’t cities like NYC etc, but they are still classified as cities at that size.

        • Edgar

          But then what do thay mean by this “expects the program to be substantially complete by the middle of next year”

          It says they will update almost all of it. Then that should cover rural areas as well unless T-Mobile doesn’t offer coverage in rural areas

        • philyew

          When TM was talking about its schedule for deploying LTE on its 3G/HSPA+ footprint throughout 2013 it had a number of milestones 200M POPs by the end of 2013, 225M POPs by Q2 2014. That was going to be the end of the original program completing the network modernization on 37,000 cell sites which already were provisioned to deliver 3G/HSPA+ on the AWS band. Over that period, through the natural process of cell site maintenance they added another 4-5M POPs in 3G/HSPA+ coverage, meaning that the initial program had grown to 230M POPs. That’s the number they anticipate reaching by mid-year. Those aren’t 2G-only cell sites.

          The remainder of the program through the current year is expected to be completed on 2G-only sites, but that amounts to only 20M POPs.

          The question is whether TM are playing tricks with the numbers. When they say “50% of the work is to be completed this year alone” does that mean the 20M POPs in 2G-only areas is 50% and there will be another 20M in 2015? Or are they saying that they are counting 40M POPs in 2014, even though 20M of them aren’t going to be in 2G-only areas? That would mean they were targeting another 40M in 2015, which would be truly impressive.

          I am absolutely convinced that TM don’t have plans to use AWS/PCS to deliver 4G service in rural areas, and they will be expecting to pick up spectrum in the 600MHz auction next year which will allow them to do that much more efficiently. That means that they currently don’t have the spectrum available to complete an upgrade for 40M POPs in 2015, which reinforces my suspicion that they are referring to the 20M POPs in 2014 as being “50% of the work” and that they aren’t thinking about going beyond 270M POPs in the current exercise. That means they don’t have any firm plans in place for the rural areas which constitute a huge physical area.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Video is overrated. ;-) JK.

          I think you will notice a greater rural expansion, particularly if DISH gets involved; but T-Mo is more than aware that the not-so-big cities are a focal point.

        • Sompom

          I’m just spitballing off the top of my head, but here is my two cents:
          First, I am one who lives in a 2G only area (which pretty much describes everywhere in New Mexico outside of a few of the cities). On a personal level, I read the headline and thought “YESS!!”
          Second, TMobile is getting hammered in rural, 2G only areas. When I try to sell TMobile service to my friends, the best I can say is that the coverage is fairly solid. As the ads TMobile is objecting to show, Verizon is just much more competitive outside of the major cities. As Ransomexx just beat me to saying, people travel, and if they don’t travel in fast-data-land, they get upset.

        • philyew

          And if they don’t live and work in connected-at-all land they get even more upset.

          TM recently raised a war-chest of $3.8 billion dollars, plus around $1 billion worth of unused spectrum. How did they use it? To build a fund to attack their 2-G coverage? Or buy 700MHz licenses that largely replicate their existing 3G/4G footprint?

          They invested $3.4 billion in the 700MHz licenses so that they could start to become as competitive as possible in the biggest markets where they have the most potential cusotmers to gain. It’s simple business logic.

        • Jax

          I get LTE everywhere in abq except the south valley and the outskirts near I-40 And 98th. I only get LTE on the south side of Rio Rancho which bugs me. But I am friends with a guy who is the manager of a T-Mobile store and he know the west district manager of T-Mobile, & supposedly the state is going to get new towers on top of the upgrades farther out from ABQ, RR, SF, Roswell, and LC for LTE. So I’m thinking overall the state will have much better coverage in the next year or so :) .

    • donnybee

      I agree. That’s something that came to my mind as well when I read this. But another thing to think about is that in rural areas, the coverage needs to be much wider to cover those additional POPs. So that extra 9% or so could end up covering a wide area if it’s outside these metro areas. That causes the benefits to users to be greater than a 9% number would suggest.

      Here’s to hoping they launch in areas where it would bring wide range to the network.

      • philyew

        It’s true that each CMA gets progressively smaller as you work through the list of 730+ markets, but they will still be targeting the larger markets where possible.

        I think they will work the target from two directions; highways and popular visitor areas from one end, and the larger CMAs that haven’t yet been reached by 3G/4G from the other.

        While this isn’t by any means exact, the top 69 markets account for around 230M POPs. The next 25 markets account for 20M, and the next 32 after that cover another 20M. What I’m getting at is that the top 125 markets (out of 730+) account for 270M POPs.

        You have to get a long way down the list before you start hitting really rural areas. In fact the first 305 CMAs are defined as metropolitan. I really doubt they will start trying to tackle the other ~430 Rural Service Areas until they have sub-1GHz spectrum to do the job.

        • Jay Holm

          What does CMA stand for?

        • philyew

          Cellular Market Area

        • Jay Holm

          Ahh. . .thanks!

    • bkin94

      I think the big deal of this is the surface area that they will cover. that last 20Million will be a large amount of land. So many people will discount tmobile because they have poor coverage. Not in our area, but in other areas where they travel. This will largely change that

      • philyew

        Actually, that isn’t true. The top 125 out of ~730 Cellular Market Areas cover 270M POPs. The first 305 CMAs are all defined as metropolitan areas. It isn’t until you get into the bottom ~430 that they are classified as rural.

        They will be able to hit that 20M POPs in 2014 without extending the physical footprint significantly.

        • maximus1901

          Just by expanding past the city limits. FINALLY.

          FYI, it’s 250mil with AWS lte. Many fiercewireless articles quote TMO exec as saying this.

        • philyew

          Yes, I’d forgotten that he said that. I’m just a little suspicious of why he hasn’t offered any targets for 700MHz coverage in 2014 when he’s said they will begin deployment this year. Maybe they are just holding fire because the deal hasn’t been finalized by the FCC yet.

        • maximus1901

          They’re gonna buy more 700a this year. They have to: since they’re buying 700a as a hedge against uncertain 600mhz auction, they have to cover more of their 285mil footprint than the 150mil they cover now.
          The really interesting thing is gonna be leap’s Chicago 700a; is att gonna hold onto it just to keep it away from TMO or sell it to TMO?
          It could just deploy it eventually.

        • philyew

          Part of the reason Verizon unloaded the 700MHz licenses was because they were running out of time under the FCC deployment rules. It may be the same with the licenses held by Leap.

          Verizon also picked up a premium on the price tag as well, which AT&T might like to do, given the money they have so far had to pass TM’s way.

          On the other hand, improving TM’s competitive position in a major market won’t appeal to them.

          In the end, I think that if they don’t have any use for the spectrum, they’ll sell it because they will eventually have to anyway, and TM will pay the premium.

        • maximus1901

          Att is different than verizon. Under recent FCC lower 700 interoperability order, with 1 or 2 years ALL of att devices HAVE to support band 12. I think ATT has only B block on Chicago but even if they have C block, it’d still be worth to deploy two 5fdd carriers.

        • philyew

          True, but does that change the deployment timeline requirements? And does AT&T actually need to deploy the spectrum in that market to improve coverage/ signal?

          Even TM with its shortage of spectrum has had some holdings they it would never deploy because it didn’t need to.

          Superfluous spectrum is worth more sold than deployed, if you’re running out of time with the FCC.

        • maximus1901

          Low band spectrum is never superfluous.

        • philyew

          Well, apparently, that A-Block holding that TM just bought was superfluous to Verizon’s needs… ;-)

        • maximus1901

          They’re not being forced to transition to band 12. Att is.
          Might as well keep it. Especially since att is forced to run a hodgepodge spectrum strategy. Some AWS here, some pcs there.
          Verizon had AWS from 2008 and got another 10fdd from cablecos.

        • philyew

          So that pretty much answers your own question about whether AT&T will sell Leap’s A-Block holding in Chicago…

  • Jeff Breitner

    How will this impact those that don’t have an LTE capable phone though?

    • Jay Holm

      Uh…go buy a calendar, it’s 2014, there is no such thing as a “no LTE phone”.

      • Rod

        80% of US mobile subscribers don’t have LE enabled devices.
        @Jeff: for non lte phones it means faster 3G/4G, better call quality and less E

        • Jay Holm

          Really? 80%? I’ve been using an LTE capable smartphone since 2011, Samsung Droid Charge was my 1st LTE smartphone.

        • Timothy Wallis

          I think a Moto G successor next year will have LTE. Then there will be high quality low end phones with LTE, instead of just older high end phones. Such as the iphone 4S which is still being sold and has no LTE.

        • Rod

          Yeah 80%. There was an article about Softbank and Son saying how the US should be more like Japan, but the US had a higher adoption rate (20% of mobile broadband connections) for LTE devices. Until recently Americans got new phones every 2/3 years. In 2011 there were only like 3 LTE enabled devices on 1 network. So all those people who didn’t buy those 3 phones were stuck with those phones in contract till last year. On top of that the iPhone 5/S4 were the first major waves of LTE adoption. A lot of iPhone 4s are still on contract without LTE.

      • fsured

        They actually sell non LTE phones here in the states. Moto G for example. I don’t think that one even goes up to the 42mb speeds for T-Mobiles network.

      • itguy08

        Uh, go by a store. Just last weekend picked up a brand spanking new Alcatel One Touch Evolve for testing T-mobile. 3G all the way!

        • Jay Holm

          T-Mobile is the only carrier someone can get really decent speed without LTE, and having HSPA 42 only.

      • eneka

        Motorola G, Nexus 4, etc. There are a bunch of phones that don’t

      • Jeff Breitner

        Jay, my phone is just under 3 years old and still works fine. LTE was just rolling out around then so yes, there are literally millions of people out there that don’t upgrade annually and spend $500 to have the latest and greatest. I have t-mobiles 4gHSPA+ on my phone, but not LTE. While I do plan to get a newer phone in the next year, there’s probably many that won’t until their phone completely craps out on them. I’m just curious if upgrading the edge towers to LTE excludes HSPA+.

    • JBLmobileG1

      Good question. Maybe it’ll finally be the time to upgrade. :)

  • kpb321

    I hope this means that they’ll have HSPA and LTE in these new areas rather than just LTE and 2g/edge. T-Mobile doesn’t have any Voice over LTE phone available currently as far as I know so you’d still need edge/2g/3g for voice calls and your data drops down to it when you are on a call. Also the upgrades required to deploy LTE make deploying HSPA+ pretty trivial so the only issue I could see getting in the way of having LTE and HSPA+ would be spectrum availability if they can’t refarm the edge/2g completely.

    • Rod

      All T-Mobile LTE phones support VoLTE, the network doesn’t support it though (except on the legacy Metro PCS LTE)

    • John Brown

      No Edge will force flip phones into paperweights and there are people who don’t want a smartphone. Some people can live without being online every minute of every day.

  • Stefan Naumowicz

    I’m surprised ookla speed test shows tmobile as the fastest network, whenever i use it to try and run a test I get” network communication error”

    • Alex

      If you go out of the app and back into it it will work correctly…it’s an error they need to fix

      • Jay Holm

        Since I got the Kitkat update on my S4, I haven’t encountered that problem.

      • Toasted_Cracker

        I’ve tried that as well as the method listed above your comment. Nothing works, all I ever get is ” network communication error”. I’m using the tmobile Galaxy Note 3 on the latest update. All stock.

        • schweddyballs

          Just an app issue, clear data on the speed test app and try again, works fine

        • Toasted_Cracker

          Tried clearing the data. Same problem. Other speed test apps work fine. Just not that one.

    • fsured

      I would get that running on the LTE network. When I switch to HSPA+ it would work. Try that and see if there is a difference.

    • SEBA

      Tap on Results and then back on speedtest, that will solve the issue. This disappeared after last update but after updating to kit kat the problem came right back.

  • bleeew

    Hmmm. So if they do remove the 2G network, does that mean that they can’t throttle you to 2G if you are in a place that doesn’t have a 2G connection?

    • William Burr Winans

      No they will have both 4G LTE and 2G on the same tower

    • danielhep

      No, they do not throttle you by knocking you down to 2G. They just limit your speed to speeds equivilant to that of 2G. You can still be connected to LTE or whatever.

      • William Burr Winans

        Good point I will keep that in mind when someone else asks that question! :)

      • shatter

        2G sounds bad to most people I have talked to, I think they should up it to 3G speeds.

        • danielhep

          That would be silly. Then why would anyone get the unlimited plan if it was that fast? I certainly wouldn’t. The point is that it’s just fast enough to use but slow enough to not be very useful and not slow down their network, that way they can get people to get higher tier plans.

  • KlausWillSeeYouNow

    This is GREAT! :-D Coverage fixes on the way, and a taste of Verizon’s own medicine!

    Move over, Big Red! :-D

    • Jay Holm

      Yeah, hopefully the market wi level out some by 2017 or so. With regards to market share specifically, there is still a lot, lot of work to do. 8-10 more months and Tmo will take Sprint’s #3 spot. But it will still take a long while to level out the market

      • KlausWillSeeYouNow

        Wait, tho… so is HSPA rolling out along with LTE to EDGE-only areas? Or what, just EDGE/LTE coexistence? :-P I am slightly confused about that.

        • Jay J. Blanco

          I believe Hspa too. But we’ll see

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Thanks Jay. Yeah, it’s a big drop from LTE to EDGE, lol.

      • KlausWillSeeYouNow

        I rubbed the legal bit in the faces of my VZW relatives. Told ’em to get ready for another price hike!

        They won’t switch to T-Mo because they’re concerned about coverage, but honestly they’re wrong – T-Mo works just as well as VZW where they’re at. Hope I can change their mind!

        • jeremyvbk

          There are no legal forces about to cause a price hike. They are showing LTE maps. And guess what that is alot more accurate. You don’t see sprint suing because they don’t show 4g Wimax. Sounds like they are butt hurt, and want to try and find money. it wont work.

  • CPPCrispy

    All I have to say is Finally. As far as what areas will get the upgrade first, I think it will be the interstates and the areas just outside of the suburbs (areas that are just outside of the current LTE coverage). Now the question is how much of the new coverage area is within the 700a coverage. Its easy to upgrade towers for HSPA+/LTE in the AWS/1900 if the need is there to also upgrade for 700a because you upgrade them once for both.

    • shatter

      Hopefully they keep purchasing all the 700mhz a block that they can get their hands on.

    • Aaron C

      I cannot wait for this 700Mhz spectrum to roll out. I *love love love* T-Mobile. After spending 12 years on Verizon I feel like I’m finally free. The ONLY drawback so far has been the coverage, especially at my work desk. I’m in the basement of a very old concrete building and all the AT&T and Verizon folks have coverage. But not me. And I have a Google Nexus 4, so no WiFi calling for me. Hopefully one more year to go before I have service!

  • MerikC

    Correct me if I’m wrong, T-Mobile is adding 4G LTE to ALL their towers?

    • William Burr Winans

      That’s Right :)

    • Manny

      Yes. Their goal is to have 50% of all EDGE/2G spectrum repurposed towards 4G LTE by the end of the year, and then the rest at a later date. Good news TMO fans

      • philyew

        I don’t think the “50% of the work completed by the end of the year” translates to half of all 2G-only coverage upgraded to LTE in 2014…the numbers don’t support that conclusion.

        230 million POPs are already covered by 3G/HSPA+. As TM reaches 96% of the population, that means current coverage reaches 301 million POPs. Making the current 2G-only footprint 71 million POPs.

        If TM plan to reach 250 million POPs by year end, which is the only solid number they have expressed for this effort, and that constitutes “50% of the work”, then their final target is either 270 million POPs (i.e. the 20 million 2G-only POPs planned for 2014, plus an equal number in 2015) or 290 million (the 40 million 2G/3G/4G POPs required to reach the 250 million target for 2014, plus an equal number in 2015)

        Since I very much doubt that TM will try to provide full rural coverage using its existing spectrum, because they need sub-1GHz spectrum to cover the distances involved, I imagine that they won’t attempt full deployment of LTE to all their 2G-only footprint until they have been able to acquire 600MHz spectrum in next year’s planned auction.

        That said, I think their current plan, which constitutes “the work” referred to in their 50% statement, is probably to upgrade service to 270 million POPs and cover the rest in time, when they know exactly how much sub-1GHz spectrum they are able to acquire.

        That interpretation isn’t inconsistent with what has actually been said so far.

        • philyew

          OK, after a brief exchange with Mike Sievert on Twitter, I’m a bit more comfortable about the numbers. The good (great) news is that they do indeed intend upgrading their whole footprint to LTE by the end of next year. The target is actually ~290m POPs according to Sievert. The rest of their coverage is delivered via roaming agreements.

          He explains the reference to 50% of the work being completed in 2014 in simple terms: they are currently at 210m and 250m is halfway towards 290m.

          The confusion came for me because the first 20m (getting them from 210m to 230m) comes on their 3G/HSPA+ towers not 2G-only.

          Since their 2G-only footprint is 60m (290m minus 230m for 3G/4G), the project to convert their 2G-only footprint will be 33% complete by the end of this year, not 50% complete (20m out of 60m).

          Aside from that little bit of marketing smoke-blowing, the overall plan is ambitious and worth getting excited about.

        • Manny

          With all that being said, I only restated what the article said. I’m not here to interpret anything. The only thing I really care about is places where there is only 2G/EDGE will be able to have 4G LTE which is what their spokesperson said.

          “The company plans to complete 50 percent of the work this year alone, and expects the program to be substantially complete by the middle of next year. The upgrade will provide customers who currently experience 2G/EDGE coverage new access to 4G LTE, and many already covered by 4G LTE will enjoy access to 4G LTE in even more places.”

        • philyew

          There was a bit of confusion around numbers mentioned by their CMO and CTO which didn’t entirely square, and the CMO claiming that they would be 50% complete on the Project to bring LTE to their 2G-only network by the end of this year.

          I’ve posted subsequently that Mike Sievert responded to my question and clarified things.

          Their native footprint is ~290 million. They are at 210 million for LTE right now and aim to be at 250 million by the year-end. That is indeed 50% of the way towards their target.

          However, what Mike forgets is that 20 million of this year’s target is still to be delivered on their 3G/HSPA+ footprint, with the balance on 2G-only.

          The progress on the 2G-only project will therefore only be 33% complete by year end.

  • Limin Li

    Where is the list?

  • William Burr Winans

    FINALLY! I was hearing rumors about this announcement 3 years ago. They will cover 80 million people by mid-2015 impressive! Pink (T-Mobile) will beat Yellow (Sprint) and Blue (AT&T) if this were to happen. My only issue with this is T-Mobile’s going to be more expensive and I’m predicting unlimited 4G is going to be $100 a month but I still think its going to be cheaper than other carriers. Lookout people T-Mobile will be #2 Carrier by the end of 2015!

    • William Burr Winans

      One of my friends did a joke on Verizon and AT&T. My friend called Verizon – Republican Carrier and AT&T – Democrat Carrier. Red vs Blue how about that lol :)

      • notyourbusiness

        I know you mentioned a joke, but actually, from my research, Verizon and AT&T are both Republican conservative and T-Mobile and Sprint are the Democrat liberal carriers.

    • Jay J. Blanco

      #3

      • William Burr Winans

        Why do you think #3?

        • Jay Holm

          #2 just isn’t realistic. Both ATT & Vzn have near or more than 100m customers. As of the 4th qtr of 2013 T-Mibile has 46.75m customers. So taking Sprint’s #3 spot is a lot more realistic.

        • shatter

          #2 by 2020 if their lucky…

        • William Burr Winans

          If Verizon and AT&T finds out T-Mobile is rolling out more 4G, I think you will be shocked how many will switch. What I was trying to say was I think T-Mobile deserves to be #2. I apologize for typing that wrong!

        • just me

          Lol you think we can gain 60 million customers in a year and a half?

        • philyew

          Well, if they all came from AT&T, it would only take about 33 million…LOL!

          …oops, no, they just got Leap today, that makes it 35 million ;-)

    • Manny

      Three years ago? This is their one year celebration, isn’t it?

  • Mark

    A question about the data throttling: does TMo count all of your first 2 GB or whatever towards the cap, or does it only count actual high speed data (and what counts as high speed)? Example: I only get EDGE at work for the most part, and at home it’s HSPA+ 21. Does TMo recognize that part of my data usage isn’t high-speed, and track it accordingly, or does it throttle you after x GB of data usage even if some or most of it wasn’t actually on a high speed connection?

    Looking forward to the LTE expansion!

    • KingCobra

      Any type of data you use as you approach that 2GB limit counts against you. So even if you’re in a 2G-only area, it still counts towards that first 2GB of high-speed data.

      • asmnfalls

        Going along with what the previous commenter said, it’ll throttle but since you’re 2g anyway, it doesn’t matter, you’ll fall back to 2g regardless. You might want to think about taking advantage of their 1gb plan instead of their 2.5gb data plan if you’re only 2g in your area.

  • Zombiexm

    AT&T completed its previously announced acquisition of prepaid wireless provider Leap Wireless International Inc., which operates under the Cricket brand, for $15 per share in cash. Leap shareholders will also receive a contingent right entitling them to the net proceeds received on the sale of Leap’s 700 MHz “A Block” spectrum in Chicago, which Leap purchased for $204 million in August 2012.

    Well guys we might see At&ts two A block markets sold .. anyone hope tmobile grabs them up? It would add East South/North Carolina , and Chicago to the portfolio.

    • KingCobra

      I’m in NC so I would hope so. Not sure if AT&T is too keen on the idea of one of its most dangerous competitors getting that spectrum though.

      • fsured

        They may not like it but if the money is shown for the purchase then minds can change.

    • Chad Dalton

      I hope to god they do, being that I’m in North Carolina. This would absolutely be glorious!

  • GinaDee

    Let’s make sure Sprint stays out of this.

    What’s especially impressive about going from 210 million to 250 million and beyond is that this covers lots of rural areas and many highways between cities that currently are stuck on EDGE.

    Who wants to bet T-Mobile will hit it’s goal along with all those new 20 + 20 LTE cities before Sprint?

    • jeremyvbk

      Sprint will have the upper hand of low band spectrum until they can deploy 700Mhz equipment/ get devices out that support the new frequencies, as well as getting ,iirc, Ch 51 interference out of the picture. Tmobile will encounter problems out of there control.

      • KingCobra

        Sprint has always had the spectrum, they just have poor execution and almost always fail to meet their goals on time. Wouldn’t surprise me if T-Mobile meets their goals before them this year too.

        • sidekicker89

          Very true! Well said.

        • jeremyvbk

          Just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean they aren’t executing the 800smr rollout well. Because they are. I’ve seen a 10dbm increase in signal strength from sites over 10 miles away. Plenty good execution. They are covering more and more people every day with it. And T-Mobile shall fail to meet its goal it set. They don’t have any idea how long it will actually take.

        • philyew

          TM has exceeded just about every goal it’s set for its modernization program over the last two years. They aren’t even including the potential coverage improvements from 700MHz A-Block deployment in 2014 in their targets for the year.

          The program to-date has upgraded 37,000+ cell sites. There are ~13,000 left to address. Since multiple carriers share access on leased cell sites, the existence of fiber services for the early adopters will speed up access for TM now. TM will use microwave backhaul in other locations, if necessary, where VZW and AT&T have balked.

          Don’t imagine that TM will have the same problems with schedule, since they’ve had many months to explore their position

        • jeremyvbk

          You say that but back haul still hurt sprint. And the microwave solution would be temporary and would send prices up. As well as you would have to have the vendors install, and they get behind schedule. And T-Mobile will have to have 700 A-block spectrum to cover what they say without adding more towers to cover the rural areas. As I said before they will have difficulties covering what they already have with LTE as it is more fragile, and won’t travel as far. And good luck in centurylink areas as they take forever. It will take longer than you think.

        • philyew

          I replied once, but disqus is very flakey these days and it disappeared. Briefly then…TM aren’t saying they are immediately building a network comparable to Verizon. They are saying they are upgrading their existing network to LTE.

          They need to use their AWS licenses by 2016 or risk losing them under FCC deployment rules. You’re making the same mistake I did, assuming that they would want to offer complete coverage right away and only address rural areas when they have sub-1mhz spectrum to complete the task. Instead, they will build out for AWS/PCS and fill the gaps using 700 or 600mhz when available.

          Presumably, they’ll only use microwave where there is no existing fiber drop.As the late adopter in most locations, that shouldn’t be a big issue with the pioneer engineering already completed. They have also had a longer time to conceive this and set it up, so the schedule will push the most difficult locations back into later next year.

          They have given themselves the same amount of time to upgrade 13,000 cell sites as it took to do 37,000 in the first program. With that amount of experience, I think they know the challenges and the likelihood of success.

        • Kidney_Thief

          If it’s a choice between betting on T-Mobile or betting on Sprint when it comes to network rollouts, it’s going to be T-Mobile every time. Nobody thought their LTE rollout was feasible, either, but they covered 30 million more people in their first year than they anticipated and ended up being months ahead of schedule.

          To trivialize that and make it seem like T-Mobile’s network team is incompetent or ill-prepared is a bit of an insult. What T-Mobile has accomplished with their network modernization is astonishing by any standards, and if Sprint did the same thing, I would give them credit where it was due.

      • vrm

        1) the 250million+ improvement has nothing to do with 700mhz so it should work with current tmobile devices.

        2) I believe that most sprint subscribers do not have devices that work on spark or whatever which you conveniently forgot to mention.

        • maximus1901

          Sprint can’t use any 800 MHz within 100km of Canada or Mexico.

        • jeremyvbk

          Yeah I’m well aware but that doesn’t mean a majority of the population can’t use it.

        • jeremyvbk

          Yes but was has poor propagation. PCS and aws LTE are not going to be able to cover the existing edge coverage. LTE is just too fragile.

          And more and more people are getting spark device’s, and even voice over 800smr is better that T-Mobile edge. Which almost all devices people have use.

    • sidekicker89

      Neville Ray said he is actually pushing for 280 Million next year in the CNET interview. :)

      • philyew

        They seem to be a bit confused about their targets. While Ray tells c|net that he wants to push the number up to 280m some time next year, their CMO, Mike Sievert, is tweeting that their plan is to “to upgrade ALL of our remaining 2G Edge to LTE”, which should be more than 280m.

        I’ve tweeted Sievert asking him to explain.

        • just me

          I sent a couple tweets to Legere last night about that too. The engadget article also makes the claim that it will be all the remaining 2G areas.

        • philyew

          Ok, I’m just starting to get some clarity. Mike Sievert replied to me that their organic footprint is ~290m with the rest coming from roaming.

          The math is simple, if a little flawed. They are currently at 210m with LTE roll-out. Their 250m target for the end of 2014 is 50% of the way to 290m.

          While those numbers line up, 20m of the current year target will actually be delivered on cell sites within their existing 3G/HSPA+ footprint, not in the 2G-only areas.

          It’s a little confusing therefore to claim that they will be 50% completed this year on their plan to upgrade all their remaining 2G EDGE to LTE, when in fact it will be 33% complete. They will, however, be 50% complete on converting the remainder of their native footprint.

          With all that clarified, I’m more willing to be impressed by their plan, since it really does mean they intend to deliver 4G to their whole network by the end of 2015.

        • just me

          Yes, that IS good news. I was worried that the corporate speak had everyone misreporting this. If there won’t be a T-Mobile tower without LTE by the end of 2015, that’s pretty incredible.

        • philyew

          Of course, the next question to ask is what that means for the actual range of coverage?

          We know, for example, that the current 3G/4G footprint is delivered on ~37,000 cell sites out of a total ~50,000 sites delivering services to the native footprint of ~290m.

          In terms of geographic coverage, how excited should we be? There are around ~13,000 cell sites currently delivering 2G-only services across a much larger physical range than the 37,000 servicing 3G/4G right now. We know that means a great deal of spottiness in those areas.

          If TM plans to deliver their upgrade using only existing spectrum – the licenses for which they must use or lose by the end of 2016 – then that spottiness will continue. What we have to hope is that they hit the market hard this year and next, acquiring both 700MHz licenses where possible, and also 600MHz licenses in the upcoming auction, so that they can cover the rural areas without having to consider increasing cell site density.

          There are still a lot of unanswered (and currently unanswerable) questions, but I’m still happy to see that they are serious about this exercise.

        • vrm

          nothing confusing- their “native” footprint is 280 million+. They want to make LTE available to all those.

        • philyew

          On the same day that the Chief Marketing Officer is being very deliberate about their target being all their remaining 2G-only network, their Chief Technology Officer is using a number which is 10 million less than their native footprint, (as confirmed by their CMO). So, yes, their message is a little confused.

  • Stefan Naumowicz

    Where I work is technically covered by 4g but inside I only get 2g, does this mean I’l be able to get 4g inside as well?

    • Michael

      You’ll have to wait for the 700MHz spectrum that T-Mobile bought from Verizon, once this 700MHz frequency is running, it’ll penetrate buildings. Currently, T-Mobile uses higher frequencies like 1700 and 2100MHZ which can’t penetrate buildings. They’ll start putting in the 700MHz, near the end of 2014

      • Stefan Naumowicz

        Where I am (upstate ny) is unfortunately not covered by the 700mhz spectrum.

        Correct me if I’m missing something, but if they are upgrading “all towers to lte,” and the tower I connect to at work I get strong 2g (which is 1900mhz), once they upgrade that to LTE there should be no problem picking up the AWS band if the current pcs signal comes in perfectly. Yes?

        • Rod

          No. Tmo’s entire LTE network is band 4 1700/2100 mHz. There using the re farmed 1900mHz for 21 HSDPA+. Plus most Tmo phones, other than the iPhone, don’t support band 2 LTE

        • philyew

          What I think he probably means is that, if he can get a strong PCS (1900) signal, he’ll be able to get an equally strong AWS signal, when the new equipment is deployed. As long as TM have an AWS license in the area (and they have an almost complete national coverage), the upgrade to LTE should perform as well, if not better than the current 2G-only service.

        • Stefan Naumowicz

          That’s exactly what I mean. And I know for a fact my area is an area they do have aws because we have LTE it just does not pick up inside where I work. I understand the high frequency not being able to penetrate buildings that well, but if I can pick up 1900mhz 2g with full signal strength I don’t understand why there’s a problem picking up 1700/2100 mhz unless there’s a very close 2g ONLY tower I’m connected to when I’m there?

        • philyew

          It may well be because your nearest cell site is 2G-only. An app like Network Signal Info from kaibits may help you get more information, assuming you are using an Android device.

        • Rod

          1900 PCS performs better than AWS. The upgrade to LTE won’t help unless they also refarm the 1900 for HSDPA+. There’s a problem picking up aws indoors because 2100Mhz is just a small step above junk spectrum. High capacity but it doesn’t travel well.

        • Stefan Naumowicz

          I see. Strange that just a 200mhz gap is the difference between perfect signal and none at all.

        • jeremyvbk

          It is also caused because LTE is a much more fragile airlink, and building cause a lot of issues with any connection , LTE specifically.

        • kev2684

          AFAIK all phones released by T-Mo from Galaxy Note II forward supports band 2 LTE

        • Rod

          Note 2 does not have Band 2 LTE. I have the note 2. Only 4 and 17.

  • Aurizen

    wait. T-mobile is getting rid of their 2g/Edge network now?

    • Michael

      They’re just upgrading the 2G/Edge towers so there will be more LTE coverage, if your phone doesn’t support LTE, then it’ll still use the Edge network as a backup.

    • Stefan Naumowicz

      Not for a very long time. They are still selling 2g only phones, once those disappear off the shelf expect 2g to be in service for a minimum of at least a year (more likely about 2 years)

      2g/EDGE only towers are just being upgraded to support newer network types, but will still be compatible with 2g only devices.

      • Danny Lewis

        It may happen around the same time AT&T shuts down their EDGE in 2017.

      • fentonr

        What 2G only phones are they selling?

        • Stefan Naumowicz

          Samsung t139 at the very least

        • fentonr

          They still sell that?

        • Stefan Naumowicz

          Yupp

    • KingCobra

      Plus they still need 2G for voice

      • Stefan Naumowicz

        3g umts and 4g hspa transmit voice as well

  • Bori

    So places that have never even seen HSPA+ will most likely get Lte before cities such as Cincinnati do? .. LOL. Nonetheless still good to hear. In all fairness folks on 2G have suffered enough.

    • Chad Dalton

      Yes, you said that right suffered long enough!

    • maximus1901

      In turns out Cincinnati, TMO only has 10mhz AWS and 30mhz pcs.
      TMO is gonna keep AWS Hspa for long time so it’ll probably configure its Cincinnati pcs as 10mhz each for gsm, Hspa+, lte.

      • eanfoso

        No, they’ll refarm the aws from hspa+ to LTE

        • maximus1901

          Not all of it anytime soon there’s lots of people who have phones with Hspa only on AWS.
          Look at MetroPCS merger slides with Dallas case study. They show AWS Hspa continuing for a long time on 10 MHz.

        • TylerCameron

          Every HSPA+ capable phone on T-Mobile (dating back as far as the HTC Desire Z I think) is pentaband HSPA. T-Mobile could entirely refarm HSPA on PCS and it won’t affect anyone. Well, less than 1%.. (Looking at those people with literally 8 year old phones)
          The problem is that T-Mobile, even in refarmed markets, for whatever random reason, only does DC-HSPA+ on AWS

        • Durandal_1707

          My old G2x was not pentaband HSPA, and that came out only three years ago. Definitely not 8 years. Did HSPA even exist 8 years ago?

    • sidekicker89@yahoo.com

      Cincinnati has seen LTE sightings.. just in one county though! hopefully it’ll grow soon!

      • Bori

        Yes, sightings have been recorded from Springfield Cinemas north. Pretty much North of the 275 loop. I’ve been checking Sensorly and it seems to be spreading, or perhaps folks are now starting to use the app. One can only hope that this is the start of a near future launch. The sighting at UC Campus back in November, if it’s accurate, means we must have the equipment in place, just not enough spectrum to flip the switch.

        • fentonr

          Well, by mid next year you’ll have it. At least there is light at the end of the tunnel now.

  • sidekicker89

    Has anyone seen any new LTE sightings lately? The latest I’ve seen is near Cincinnati, Ohio.

    • bt

      It’s not even in cincy. It’s in Butler county, north of cincy. We’ve been waiting for LTE forever here. We will probably still continue to wait.

      • Baz

        Nothing major in the last couple of months, other than LTE that blankets most of the Philly/Northern Delaware areas of Wilmington/Newark. Not sure when they deployed as I just got an LTE phone in December, but HSPA+ seems to be more far reaching in Eastern PA and NJ turnpike. I can stream Spotify while driving from Newark, DE to Allentown, PA uninterruptedly, which is a huge improvement.

        • samsavoy

          Part of the turnpike between Allentown and Philly was always horrible. Hopefully they fixed that.

    • Laststop311

      Over here in youngstown ohio we have LTE and t-mobile also acquired 700mhz block A spectrum in my market when that goes live we should have 20mhz + 20mhz lte channels currently just 10 + 10. I can’t remember if the 700mhz covered all of ohio or just the north south east and western left out but I think you may get lucky when they activate the 700mhz.

    • Bori

      On my trip up to Dayton earlier tonight I picked up some lte just before passing Lesourdville West Chester Rd. on 75 to Four Corners community church area. I know it’s not Cincinnati proper, but it was encouraging to see it. I used the Sensorly App, to trace it and do a few speed tests, which are available to see now

  • cubanitA00

    well i can say that tmobile is improving outside the city i live in los angeles and last year the 3 hour trip to tijuana from LA was 95 percent tmobile edge same with the 8 hour trip to san fransisco tmobile was 95 percent edge i just went to both places last month and i saw hspa 4g for the first time on both trips was nice finally being able to use fb,twitter n get driving directions on the way there .Before on edge i couldnt do anything of those things.

    • JBLmobileG1

      Hopefully it’ll be this way for me when I make the trip out to California from Las Vegas, Nevada next month. I really want to be able to stream my music and with edge along the highway, it never works good enough for any of that.

      • Eric00

        Why don’t you just download your music? I have no problem with you streaming it but just curious. Instead of worrying about not being able to stream music, why not just download it?

        • JBLmobileG1

          Because I have Google Play music and Drive, both of which have music that I can stream. True, I could always download music to my phone, but that defeats the purpose of all the services that I pay extra for. Plus it’s unlimited music at my finger tips, just like my data plan.

        • Eric00

          Oh, true. I understand now, just getting your money’s worth!

        • JBLmobileG1

          Did you notice 100gb for Google Drive is only $1.99 a month now? And 1TB is only $9.99. Definitely worth the price for all that space. Now I just wish more developers would take advantage of cloud storage. Perfect for when your cellular company offers high speed unlimited data like Tmobile. :)

      • cubanitA00

        havnt tried vegas but goin in sept hopefully they also did that tht they got rid of some of the edge ..

      • peralta61

        Am heading to Vegas tomorrow I hit you guy up tomorrow

        • JBLmobileG1

          Awesome, thanks!

        • peralta61

          Hey man bad news I just got back I only got edge and no internet. Which it suck no Pandora

      • Vladmir4

        Lol, forget about it. No LTE or 4G form Tmo on Las Vegas NV to LA CA. You can get it from ATT or Veriz, not Tmo.

        • JBLmobileG1

          And you are on a Tmobile forum because. …..

        • Vladmir4

          Because Disqus sent me email. And I asked moderator about xperia z2.

        • JBLmobileG1

          Hmm makes no sense, but ok. You could always just Google if you wanted to know about the X peri a Z2.

        • Vladmir4

          There is no one word about Z2 availability on this forum. Many words about SGS5. I dont care about SGS5.

        • fsured

          T-Mobile will likely get the Z2 but the North American market falls behind the international release by a few months. That has been the case with the Xerpia Z and Z1 which they customized from what the original Z1 was. If Sony wants to really compete with the Samsung, HTC, Apple, and LG then they need to start bringing their release dates for all locations closer together.

          Sony for awhile held off on the market here as it is very much locked up between Apple, Samsung, and HTC with little wiggle room for anything else. LG is now making a push after a horrid start (LG T-Mobile G2x for example) and gaining traction. This causes many handsets to never reach our shores because the cost to market the phone, sell the phone, and possible profit ratio may not be high enough to warrant the previous points. There is also some technical issues like the signals we use but that’s an easy fix in hardware.

          Now the company is ready to put more effort in North America and stated it at the trade show in Barcelona. Given that T-Mobile has been their release partner for the previous high end Xperia Z’s, it’s a good bet it will be released on the carrier. They are also improving the speed at which they get software tweaks and Android updates out for their products.

          Word of caution though. T-Mobile is dropping the ball on approving updates for Sony. This is actually harming Sony’s image and plan to push into our market as customers are pissed right now. If you are someone how wants the latest updates in Android or Sony updates, buy the international model as long as it fully works on whatever carrier you plan to use it on. T-Mobile has so far developed a very negative track record for releasing updates for Sony’s phones. It took about 3 months after they started selling the Xperia Z before approving the 4.2 update which was already out. In the 3rd week of December Sony finalized the 4.3 update for the Xperia and released it. As far as I know the international carriers in Europe and Asia have already released it to their customers.

          We are going on 3 months now with no word on the upgrade. Sony has released KitKat for the Xperia Z and again the International carriers are testing it now and may have already released it to their customers. Meanwhile HTC and Samsung drop 4.3 and weeks after than the 4.2 update to the Z, KitKat is passed to the carrier and they jump on it with approval soon after. There are even updates to Sony’s own applications on the phone that T-Mobile has not approved for their customers. There could be security updates we are missing. As a last point that T-Mobile for whatever reason is holding back updates, there are older Xperia models running 4.3.

          Just be cautious of this and if you want WiFi calling form T-Mobile, buy their version. If that doesn’t matter to you then buy the international version and when Sony releases any type of update for the phone you will get it. Or buy T-Mobiles version then void warranty by unlocking and install whatever working ROM you want. You still lose their WiFi calling though.

          As a Xperia Z owner, I’m loving the phone and glad I picked it over the others. It’s different and not from the same companies that everyone has. It functions just fine with LTE and HSPA+ with perfect voice quality. Reviewers complained about the screen being washed out when viewing form an angle but really, if you are looking at your phone you are going to be looking at it directly 90% of the time. There is nothing wrong with the HD image quality and the Z2 is supposed to have an IPS screen to address this complaint.

          Bring over the Xperia Z1 compact and I’ll trade my phone in with no hesitation. A smaller phone without weaker components like the mini’s from the other manufactures. Yes please!

        • UMA_Fan

          99% of customers really don’t care about software updates anymore and those that really do have bought a Nexus. Every company’s high end device is so powerful and feature packed at this point there’s very little to gain in an android OS update.

        • fsured

          We care about software updates when they bring battery optimizations, bug fixes, and things such as tweaks to the camera firmware to make the images better.

        • themask128

          I would agree with that except for the exception when apps stop supporting the old IOS or android versions

        • itguy08

          Really? Cause I bet those that have a 3 year old iPhone 4 were happy to get the iOS 7 update. Meanwhile my Droid X (released the same time as the iPhone 4) has no upgrade path past Gingerbread.

        • cubanitA00

          ima have to disagree from someone who had all companies and goes to vegas every month to see my man at least once i can tell u att is the best on the way to vegas from LA sPRINT is second tmobile n verizon are same verizon does its best to keep u on 1x cdma cuz sometimes u cant even get 3G evdo lte forget it in the middle of the dessert att has 4g hspa no lte ,sprint 3G ,tmobile usually has edge verizon has 1x pretty bad for americas most reliable network.i mentioned on my firstpost i hvnt tried tmobile in vegas but i just remembered i have when i had my white tmobile s3 anyways on the way to arizona same thing verizon gets pretty bad too att is usually the best when u travel.

  • CJ

    They should just keep hspa+ and lte and get rid of 2G and 3G, and have hspa+ as the fell back from lte insaid of 2G

    • Paul

      Currently, your cellular calls are made on the 2G/3G networks. They are working to move tha tto the 4G LTE network.

      • fentonr

        Cell calls are made on HSPA+ as well.

        • Paul

          I’m going off what the big tech guy for Magenta said in an interview, and what tech support said to me recently.

          Not disagreeing but just sharing my sources.

        • fentonr

          Fair enough, I should amend what I said, HSPA+ can be used to make calls. I don’t know if T-Mobile utilizes this or not. They could though.

        • TBN27

          They do.

        • Paul

          my understanding is that is their plan.

    • fentonr

      I don’t think they will completely get rid of edge for a long time. They will reuse a large part of the spectrum as it frees up, but it will stick around. There is still money to be made from roaming agreements and the cost of running the network isn’t huge.

  • Vladmir4

    I got both 4g tmo and verizon. Tmo on rural places mostly unusable. Verizon rocks almost everywhere.

    • KingCobra

      Verizon rocks your wallet too.

      • Vladmir4

        I can afford it. I can loose thousands because of missed truck order, so I dont care about extra $80/month for REAL service, not fake from Tmo.

        • JBLmobileG1

          If you have both Tmobile and Verizon and Your so happy paying what Verizon charges because you can afford it and because it’s obviously so much better, then why do you even have Tmobile?

        • Vladmir4

          Because I want to. Who cares.

        • JBLmobileG1

          I am sorry, but I don’t believe you even have Tmobile now. Maybe you did in the past, when they weren’t where they are now, but I think you may have switched and now are upset because you are stuck in a contract. Am I right?

        • Vladmir4

          Its your right to believe or not. Im tmo customer since 2004.

        • fentonr

          It sounds to me like you should probably find a site for praising Verizon coverage.

        • Vladmir4

          Think whatever you want. I have spare time and surf around. Funny enough, one of my friend quit Tmo recently and Tmo guys were trying to keep him using the same words they were trying to keep another my friend 4 (!?) years ago: “Oh, we are sorry, we are improving our network, please wait one more month….” etc. etc.

        • Steven Strain

          T-Mobile will be just as good or better than Verizon for 80% or 90% of the population.. they will never be able to be able to duplicate their coverage in the rural areas without more 700Mhz spectrum which Verizon has a monopoly.

          Hopefully they’ll be able to make enough money by the time the 600Mhz is auctioned, and grab a good chunk of it.

        • Vladmir4

          I dont care much about technical detail, Im telling you what I see from my two devices: Tmo SGS4 and Verizon Jetpack. Jetpack works fast almost everywhere. The only one time when Tmo rolled blazing fast was 2:00am on i80 near Cleveland OH – ookla speedtest 20mbs down, pages were opened very fast. All other places, even on my home Chicago, it often shown 4G/LTE bla bla bla, but nothing happens or happens veeryy slowly.

        • WW

          V has more $ and will outbid just to sit on it (keep it away from TMo)..

          They’ve done it before.

        • Romdude

          Yes they’ve done it before but the authorities have an onus now to keep the market more competitive so they won’t allow it this time around. I’m just curious if they really mean what they say whenever the t-mobile/sprint merger is being discussed and how they will make the bidding fair.

        • vrm

          he did. And his employers sent him here.

        • lwalk

          Who cares no contract.you still have a de ice contract,its the same diff.i predict as the numerous complaints go on t mo will lose alot of the new. Customefs theyve picked up.they bad mouth at and t all the time.t mo is liars!

        • Magenta Man

          International affordability is my guess.

    • fentonr

      Fortunately, that won’t be nearly as true by mid next year.

      • Vladmir4

        not sure it will be that soon. I consistently get poor reception in all critical location for me whatever it be: Los Angeles, Chicago, Albuquerque, etc. Yes, it shows 4G LTE but data IS NOT transmitting. i wonder why nobody sues Tmo for that lack of service. And in opposite, I get consistent GOOD to PERFECT 4G LTE from Verizon hotspot almost everywhere, even in the middle of nowhere in Nebraska, Wyoming, Montana, etc. Thats what I see with my own eyes, not that advertising BS Tmo spread everywhere.

        • Vladmir4

          The only one place I really had no coverage for Verizon was last 10 miles on i40 in Texas, from mile marker 167 till 177, end of state. All other places in USA Verizon has covered almost perfect.

        • Dion Mac

          Your welcome to come to fedex office store on Peachtree St and 17th in Atlanta. Customer will say that don’t have signal in here. I ask if they have verizon. They say yes. Then they get that confused face lol. #GoStandByTheWindow

        • Vladmir4

          Its ok. 99% of Interstates across USA Verizon works just fine. Sure there are blind spots here and there.

        • omarc44

          your lucky i live in LA my verizon galaxy s4 swithes from lte to 3g to 1x in my loft in dwtwn La ,when my friends with verizon visit me they all complain of lack of service in my place,dropped calls MORE than half my calls drop . Now people on att n tmobile get full bars of lte yes i had both people on att n tmobile visit me too they both get full bars ,my man has n lg g2 from tmobile gets full bars lte in my place and up to 30 mbps ,me i cant even run a speed test on verizon when it works i get less than 1 mbp w one bar 3G lte dnt make it tru .

        • Vladmir4

          I know what I see. My bro lives in Pasadena and he consistently have bad reception with Tmo. Last trip I have loaded truck in Irwindale CA, same shit – shows LTE but no data transmitting.

        • danielhep

          That sounds like a problem with your T-Mobile phone. Mine had the same issue. The phone thinks it’s connected to service when it’s really not.

        • Vladmir4

          Really? Both iphone 5s and SGS4 are so bad?

        • philyew

          So, with all this negative experience and, apparently, sufficient funds to cover any early termination fee, why on earth don’t you simply port your line over to Verizon and put yourself out of your misery?

        • ⓜ@®!ⓞ G@®CI@ ™

          I work in Irwindale and not once have I had a problem connecting to the network seriously stop hating on TMO

  • David Coleman

    C’mon T-Mobile, can Cincinnati finally get some LTE love?

    • Michael

      Cincinnati has 4G LTE coverage. http://www.t-mobile.com/coverage.html

      • JB45

        not actual Cincinnati….just the area between Dayton and 275 is getting LTE. Downtown Cincinnati doesn’t have LTE

    • Bori

      On my trip up to Dayton earlier tonight I picked up some lte just before passing Lesourdville West Chester Rd. on 75 to Four Corners community church area. I know it’s not Cincinnati proper, but it was encouraging to see it. I used the Sensorly App, to trace it and do a few speed tests, which are available to see now.

  • Why the hell do people keep whining about the same ol BS …Oh, Tmo has poor rural coverage.. We KNOW THAT-THEY KNOW THAT. SO STFU ALREADY! Verizon rocks, etc…WE KNOW THAT …STFU! Either be a part of the solution or continue to be a part of the problems! GAWD DAMN!
    T-mo is working on their ISSUES. SO SIT YOUR LIL SCRAWNY ASSES DOWN and REALX until it gets to you!

    • obeythelaw

      one of the best responses. What T-Mobile has done in the last 12 months, it would have taken AT&T 2 years and they have more resources and capital than Tmo. Tmo finally has a chief at the helm that seriously wants to get Tmo in a position to make more money. How do they do that? By making the network better and providing more bank for the buck which is what they are doing.

    • eanfoso

      Or they can join at&t lol

    • trife

      Strong username-to-post correlation…..

      I agree with you though.

    • lwalk

      With all.the new subscribers with t mo they should put their money where their mouth is.when you live in a full coverage area and you cant get calls and texts each day on three diff phones its a problem.verizon here i come!

  • KP

    As a new user of TMO… Been happy with LTE in many parts of Dallas but unhappy of service in inner parts of buildings…

    • philyew

      That’s why they have started to acquire 700MHz licenses, so that they can improve building penetration. Changes won’t be possible till late in the year at the earliest, and not in every market until they acquire an appropriate license and/or a local issue with channel 51 broadcasting is resolved. However, I believe Dallas will be one of the first markets to upgrade because they already have acquired that license from Verizon and there isn’t an issue with channel 51 there.

      Of course, you’ll need to get a phone capable of taking advantage once the service comes, add none of the current phones available support that band.

  • marco7

    “And – despite the recent RootMetrics reports – T-Mobile clings to the
    fact that Ookla SpeedTest results show Magenta’s network to be the
    fastest on average”

    I don’t understand this quote– Yes, they are fast when you have a connection but there are too many areas with NO connections. Even in Major cities the towers don’t always completely overlap, so you have a dead zones in a CITY. Speed means nothing if you can’t connect or drop all the time.

  • Mark Reese

    How long before more 700mhz is aqiured …anyone know when the 600 auction is ???

    • besweeet

      They’ve already acquired 700A and will be implemented early next year. 600 auctions are in 2015.

    • millenialkid

      If I remember correctly, the sequence of events were interesting.

      First, the FCC postponed the auction; then, a week later, Sprint said it was considering a bid for T-Mobile.

      Likely the two were related; but the FCC wanted Mashayoshi Son to learn by practical experience, that the US market is more competitive because in the past, through today, airwave rights are actually seen as a form of natural resource. Government and the FCC’s role is to allocate them in a way which benefits all people, companies and citizens of the US… Not just one specific company.

    • philyew

      I doubt there will be any public signs about future spectrum acquisitions until the parties announce their deal and submit for approval by the federal authorities.

      Right now all we know about the running of the 600MHz auction is that the FCC are talking about “mid-2015”.

      http://www.fiercewireless{dot}com/story/fcc-pushing-600-mhz-broadcast-incentive-auction-mid-2015/2013-12-06

  • besweeet

    To those who want to check out if some areas have been upgraded, periodically check out RootMetrics and Sensorly maps, since they’ll show upgraded areas before T-Mobile’s maps do.

    • Jay J. Blanco

      Sensorly to me is the me reliable because its updated in real time by real users.

      • besweeet

        I just wish that the data had dates.

  • WW

    Did you hear that TMo won some sort of victory against Aio Wireless over the usage of hot pink/magenta in their ads? I’m not sure about the details but AIO isn’t allowed to use that color in their advertising any longer.

    Looks like AT$T may be abandoning the Aio moniker. My sister (in Tucson AZ) who left Cricket for Aio just got a message from her carrier that “Aio is now Cricket”.

    • :p

      Ring Ring, “hello, Current news? Yeah this is WW. I just called to cancel my subscription because i’m switching to Behind The Times. Thanks, bye!” -__-

    • millenialkid

      Yes. This seems accurate. And, commentators at other websites, who claim to be Third-Party Dealers and stores for Cricket are stating that AT&T will adopt the Cricket Brand name.

      The funny thing is that T-Mobile employees said they “looked forward to putting Cricket out of it’s misery”. I think that was a strange thing to say.

      Also, I learned that T-Mobile sold it’s Idaho company-owned retail stores to a third party. T-Mobile seems to be placing more emphasis of outside, third-party owned stores. Likely, this is because T-Mobile’s core business is in wholesale sales (MVNO like Target/WalMart).

      T-Mobile hasn’t been able to create a brand perception of “quality” which Verizon or AT&T has been successful at creating. In response, it sells it’s retail store locations in markets which it can’t efficiently or effectively grow individual sales, and manage in-house.

      • philyew

        I’m not sure that’s the driving logic. My local store here in Houston, which is one of TM’s biggest markets, is also third-party managed. Unless you ask the staff, there is no obvious sign that it isn’t a directly-managed store.

  • ccnet005

    It’s too bad that money is being spent on attorneys instead of building the network.
    Oh wait a minute, verizon didn’t have a party for the trained monkey to crash, so they
    called out the attorneys for a party of another type.

    • jeff

      Have you not been keeping up,Tmobile is Refarming their towers that are gprs “G” EDGE, 2G 3G to 4G and LTE over the next 6 months to 250 pops from 210 pops and the 290 -300pops by end of next year. No your facts. Verizon has given T-Mobile spectrum for 2.5 Billion that has been cleared and will not be used to the benefits above as well as expanding coverage to more rural areas ,as well as inside building penetration.

      • ccnet005

        Yes, I’ve been keeping up. I “know my facts”. You need to “know” how to spell.
        This is just a general observation on what one subscriber sees as a wasted effort instead of placing more effort on building out the network.

        • ⓜ@®!ⓞ G@®CI@ ™

          Building the network ? Are you kidding me that is exactly what they are doing , and their doing it faster than anyone else

    • randomnerd_number38

      Lol trained monkey, that’s a good one. What does that make the CEO’s of the other wireless companies? Untrained monkeys? Also, this “trained monkey” doubled the value of his company in under a year. That’s some durn good training.

      • ccnet005

        Yup, it sure is, how about that 20 million?

        • randomnerd_number38

          Never heard of spending money to make money, eh? I’d say the more important number is 2 million, as in over 2 million new branded postpaid customers last year. “Securing future revenues,” I believe it’s called. ;)

    • danielhep

      They’re spending money on attorneys to sue Verizon and therefore get more money out of them. The risk their taking is in the hopes that they will get more money out of Verizon by suing them than they spent on lawyer fees, which they probably will.

      • ccnet005

        I see your point but instead of focusing on the network this adventure could potentially end up costing more than its worth.

        • danielhep

          Well yeah, but isn’t that the case with any move? Anything they do is a risk.

        • Eddjz

          Your actually incorrect and your not looking at the big picture. They are suing to have Verizon stop bad mouthing T-Mobile… What does that mean? That if customers are convinced on Verizons misleading ad, new potential customer will not be Tmobile customers. That’s a loss for Tmobile by them not doing nothing. Using the attorney which I believe a reasonable move from their part, can change the ad campaign from Verizon giving those potential customers to go to Tmobile obviously increasing revenue for them. So no, they are not suing straight for money. It’s a bigger cause

        • Spanky

          T-Mobile incessantly badmouths AT&T, yet they feel slighted by Verizon’s TRUE comparisons of LTE networks. If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

        • Eddjz

          First off this isn’t hells kitchen lol this is tmo news website. Yes they have bad mouth AT&T and it worked fine…. You know why? Because it’s true. They sued aio from AT&T and guess what? They won. If they are suing Verizon, it’s for a reason. So you don’t have to take my word for it. When the judge rules, then you can comment. Other than that if you can’t take some truth you shouldn’t be in this website….. Pathetic

        • lwalk

          This is so true. They use at&t towers.i have had t mo for 3 monthd and constantly have wifi failure, cant receive calls and texts or now the page is unavailable to view for a dozen sites.on all our phones lg and samsung4 phones.So fed up!

        • ccnet005

          The “big picture”?
          I was under the impression that TMO was touting itself as the “uncarrier”, an alternative to the other three major carriers.
          With a lawsuit over the use of a color and now a lawsuit over an advertisement, TMO is proving itself to be just another carrier.
          I was actually waiting to see if the trained monkey had a snappy response to verizons maps, but he’s too busy updating his twitter account with stuff that doesn’t matter.
          Now comes word from Deutsche telekom that TMO us will struggle with spectrum auctions.
          What the hell?
          http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/03/12/deutsche-telekom-ceo-t-mobile-us-will-struggle-in-spectrum-auctions/

        • Chad Dalton

          That’s all directed at their competitors, not their customers! With these moves they are better suited to serve us!

        • TylerCameron

          I love T-Mobile, and I hate Verizon, but how is their as misleading?
          5 years ago, with the “There’s a map for that” commercial, AT&T somehow won in a case that Verizon’s add were misleading, but they really weren’t. Verizon’s 3G coverage map vs AT&T’s at the time was night and day.
          History is repeating itself once more with Verizon’s LTE coverage map vs everyone else’s. What’s misleading here?

        • Eddjz

          Very simple… If you read the article it’s telling you that Verizon current ads or previous ads has a map of T-Mobile’s coverage of practically almost yesterday and it doesn’t match T-Mobile’s new set changes where they added LTE and 4g HSPA+… So yeah it wasn’t misleading a month ago or whatever but now it is. How is that hard to understand? O.o

        • TylerCameron

          Why include HSPA+ coverage? Verizon doesn’t use HSPA+.
          The commercial makes it clear that they’re talking about LTE coverage. Now, if they decided to include all 4G technologies, admidedly, T-Mobile’s map in the ad would have SLIGHTLY more coverage. If you’ve ever seen T-Mobile’s true HSPA+ map (not 3G) you’d know what I’m talking about. It wouldn’t really help T-Mobile’s case if they included all 4G technologies. In fact, might actually hurt them, as AT&T has far more “4G” coverage than T-Mobile.

          Verizon’s ad shows clearly, all of the big 4’s LTE maps. Not 3G. Not HSPA. LTE. And the maps do seem acurate.. my only problem is the fact that I haven’t been able to find T-Mobile’s LTE-only map that Verizon uses anywhere else, making me wonder what exactly Verizon is using as a source. I highly doubt T-Mobile gave Verizon their true LTE map.

        • Derrick Ford

          Why??? Simply because in some Verizon LTE areas, Tmobile’s HSPA+ is faster!!!

    • Kidney_Thief

      A company like T-Mobile either keeps lawyers on their payroll, or on retainer. It costs them nothing to file a lawsuit than they aren’t already paying.

  • Nearmsp

    I have used T-Mobile for over 10 years now. I travel international at least 4 or 5 times a year. T-mobile’s Wi-Fi calling and now free Edge data and free SMS back home make it the best deal for me. Yes, I would love to have more widespread coverage of 4G and no roaming on the Interstate. But I travel maybe once a year on a long drive going outstate. Verizon no doubt gives great coverage. I would have used Verizon but their lack of free Wi-Fi calling from outside and free international roaming is a deal breaker for me. For the same reason I stick to my SGS4, rather than an iphone which lacks Swype and wi-fi calling features.

    • chuey101

      just got back from a 2 week trip to japan and taiwan. The free text and data was AWESOME! Can’t overstate this, it totally changes travel. Not having to switch your phone off and swap out a sim seems trivial but it is HUGE. Thanks Tmo.

    • KingCobra

      Yeah I do wish the iPhone had Wi-Fi calling too.

  • Baz

    Folks, just as a quick update to those who asked about any coverage improvements in my area.

    I was doing some travel between Maryland/Delaware/Pennsylvania this weekend. I noticed that there are some major improvements compared with last year on the Northeast Extension, where driving from Northern Delaware to a few miles past Allentown (nearly 2 hours) gave uninterrupted 4G (mostly LTE). Quakertown exit area would be an exception, where a few miles were on EDGE.

    From Allentown to Scranton on I-476, coverage was and is still a plain disaster. It was nearly 80 miles of EDGE only until you hit Scranton do you get LTE. Scranton/Wilkes-Barre has come a long way as it’s now blanketed with LTE. I look forward to 4G deployment on most major highways up there, so I’ll keep an eye out on it.

  • Fr0stTr0n

    Sorry T-Mo but your just wasting your money trying to “prove” to Verizon and its lawyers that their map is “wrong” Welcome to the marketing world, its full of lies and most companies get away with it.

    • shatter

      Tmobile is suing Verizon for marketing, they hope people will see it online in the news and check out their site for the real map.

    • danielhep

      The point is that they’re losing customers because Verizon’s ad makes them look bad. Not to mention the cash they could get if they win the lawsuit.

      • TylerCameron

        I love T-Mobile, but I don’t see anything wrong with Verizon’s as except for the fact that the T-Mobile LTE map that they show has no source and can’t be found anywhere.

        But other than that, they’re CLEARLY showing LTE coverage, and they let you know “we’re talking about LTE coverage here!”

  • Alex Zapata

    Did they mention whether they’re using band 2 or 4 for LTE in areas not covered by band 12?

    • Kidney_Thief

      Band 4, I’m sure.

  • Dark enV

    I was so excited when I read this news last weekend but I have a question, I have a friend who lives in a EDGE covered area but when you enter his house you’re dropped to either 1 bar of EDGE or No Service, will the upgrade to LTE from EDGE improve the connectivity in his home or would you most likely still be dropped to No Service? I’m asking because I’m pretty positive the area won’t be getting 700mHz LTE so I don’t know how the building penetration will work with and with no more EDGE I’m curious to how everything will be affected

    • Jay J. Blanco

      T-Mobile has micro cells. That will solve that little issue. a 50 dollar deposit is required

      • Tom

        I got mine for free

      • Dark enV

        We got one for where my brother works but those will only work with 3G and 4G, if the 2G network is replaced with LTE I’m curious to see what kind of coverage my buddy would get at home since ai have a hard time getting service there.

  • Paul Garrison

    The news as gotten really slow around here

    • manup

      That’s because TmoNews isn’t the same without David.

  • sidekicker89

    I wonder when the 2G upgrades will begin. I wish T-Mobile would give us more details!

  • lamar

    Obviously these comments are loaded with t mobile hacks. T mobile has the absolute WORST COVERAGE EVER. I drive a truck all to multiple states and t mobile can hardly be found; lets not even talk of their data. PLEASE.

    • $15454173

      So who is the carrier that you have and highly recommend? Help us out here. If you are on T-mobile why are you?

    • You must live and drive in the countryside where the nearest town can be as many as 25 miles away. If you drive in the suburbs, a micropolitan area or a metropolitan area, T-Mob has decent coverage.

  • Svengalis

    now if they could just get coverage in rural areas i would switch back to them.

  • jj

    Too good to be true, i wont believe it until i see it…..

  • Bryce

    Awesome I can’t wait for this.

  • I’ve already seen improvements in western Barnwell County, S.C. in T-Mobile’s service. The trouble spot is in the Blackville-Hilda School District attendance zone, where their coverage — like everyone else not on Verizon — still sucks.

  • Chad

    Any updates with upgrades?

  • Gus

    Any improvements being made to north carolina?

  • Elier Ruiz

    I’m out near Seneca, IL this weekend. The upgrade expansion is starting to show. Before my service
    Would cut out this area , but today my iPhone is showing Lte.

  • eAbyss

    I’m a T-Mobile user and I’m sorry but HSPA+ is 3.75g at best. LTE is the only technology that qualifies as 4g.