HSPA To Remain Dominant Even With LTE Hype?

Independent telecom analyst Ovum has put out a report offering up information regarding the future of HSPA amidst the growing LTE hype. In fact, the report goes so far to say that HSPA and HSPA+ are sufficient for the next five years of mobile industry growth.

“With LTE grabbing so much attention it is easy to ignore the fact that HSPA is a firmly established technology with a mature infrastructure and device ecosystem. Its other advantage is that is has a natural upgrade path in the form of the enhanced HSPA+, which is being deployed in ever-greater volumes in 2010 and will keep getting better and better. Indeed, HSPA+ and its future enhancements could be sufficient for many operators’ needs for the next five years.”

Julien Grivolas, author of the report and Ovum principal analyst LTE and HSPA+ shouldn’t be viewed as competitive technologies but rather complementary. While it’s fairly clear that the introduction of LTE won’t bring about the end of HSPA, the report says that spectrum availability is the biggest roadblock to LTE success.

“Ultimately, the availability of spectrum is certainly an issue that will have a strong bearing on the commercial success of LTE, as its availability is fundamental to service launches. With that in mind, it may pay for operators to hang back and let others invest in the development of the ecosystem and make mistakes first.”

As T-Mobile has discussed, HSPA+ has plenty of life left as they’ve committed to it for the coming years, which shows at least some accuracy in the report. The economic commitments required to upgrade a network or build out a new one will keep HSPA viable for at least 5 years. What consumers will really care about it is speed and so long as HSPA+ can maintain the same speed with LTE it won’t really matter what the technology is called. Though of course it might matter how it’s marketed.

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  • http://cosmicbreeze.tumblr.com/ DtheArtist

    That’s right T-Mobile. LONGEVITY, PERFORMANCE & SPEED!

  • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

    frist!!

    • Anonymous

      does that count?

      • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

        ik…… =(

  • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

    after 30down nobody will be able to tell anything got faster with out a speed test

  • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

    after 30down nobody will be able to tell anything got faster with out a speed test

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jamille-Browne/1184321457 Jamille Browne

      Movie downloads…..

      • MattB

        …will only be as fast as the hosting site can upload em.

        • Anonymous

          exactly. how about we focus on the fact that servers can only upload at a certain rate.

      • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

        how many people download movies now a days most people stream movies and my home internet isn’t thats fast i get like 21 down on my computer and over wifi 18 if im lucky ( yes ik thats faster then mobile broadband) but my point is i stream movies on my ps3 is full 1080p with Dolby Digital 5.1 from netflix with a 10 sec wait time b4 it starts and no buffering from start to finish

  • http://twitter.com/raitchison raitchison

    HSPA works well right now because it’s mature, as opposed to LTE, so right now HSPA is faster and certainly easier.

    As for the future, I’m not convinced that HSPA will have much of a purpose besides accommodating “legacy” devices after a year or two. I thin LTE will very quickly overtake HSPA in terms of performance and capability (especially once LTE Advanced brings actual 4G networks).

    TMOs reliance on HSPA is essentially procrastination, it pays off short term benefits but in the long run I fear will come back to bite them as they will be well behind the competition in terms of their network.

    • Anonymous

      LTE right now is faster and certainly easier. As for the future, I’m convinced that HSPA will have much of a purpose in terms of performance and actual 4G networks.

      TMOs HSPA essentially benefits in the long run fear will come back to bite the behind the competition in terms of their network.

    • http://pharaohtechblog.blogspot.com/ Conan Kudo (???????)

      Remember that T-Mobile is building HSPA+ networks using the all-IP mode, rather than the conventional UMTS mode. That means that the only major technical difference between HSPA+ and LTE is the broadcasting/transmitting interface, which uses the same interface as UMTS. T-Mobile could be building it in a way where all they would have to do is replace the air interface and voila! Suddenly you have LTE!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jamille-Browne/1184321457 Jamille Browne

        I like the sound of that.

  • Anonymous

    “HSPA+ and its future enhancements could be sufficient for many operators’ needs for the next five years.”

    I firmly agree with that statement.

    • 4G OR NOT TO 4G

      and at a much better price then Verizon LTE!

  • http://anthonyx26.myopenid.com/ AnthonyX26

    In another post T-Mobile put a positive spin into their response when asked about latency on HSPA+ vs latency on LTE. However, I’m fearful once realworld tests come out for latency (current tests have merely focused on raw download/upload speeds), it will indeed show a much clearer LTE advantage. And this is where HSPA+ (and its successors) will likely lose the “4G” battle.

    • Manusferrera

      Only reason these speeds are so fast on LTE is because nobody is on it yet.

    • J-Hop2o6

      the lowest ping for Verizon’s LTE i seen so far was 120ms.. the lowest i got with Tmo’s HSPA+ was 50ms.. so Verizon needs to optimize their LTE so more.

      but yea, HSPA+ will be a great back-drop once Tmo launches LTE.. can’t get a LTE/4G signal? u still have HSPA+/3G to use.. Tmo needs to get HSPA+ to all their towers.

    • BigMixxx

      Yup, as I understood it latency is the big factor in all cases, even WiMAX. I think the twist is this. Verizon now has a sim card technology in their hands. Means their network will be moving towards more of a standard, than anything else. WiMAX is probably done.

  • DeathStarKiller

    LTE is ok. Dont get me wrong. but if Verizon is offering it, I want NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. Verizon is just awful. If i wanted to overpay for spotty coverage and crappy phones, I would get Verizon.

  • guest

    So LTE is hype now? T-Mobile is the one who claims they have 4G, which is not in reality.

    • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

      all of the 4g networks are hype

    • http://twitter.com/SgtMayhem andy kemp

      LTE isnt hype, its just not mature. LTE- Advanced is where things start getting fun for mobile terminals and/or USB sticks. Dont forget that Metro PCS is on LTE already , first to market in the US. They only have 1 LTE handset and its a feature phone running BREW (Craptacular!). Metro went LTE because they’ve got the smallest slice of spectrum … but remember they also dont have any roaming as well.

  • Sapphire3g

    “In fact, the report goes so far to say that HSPA and HSPA+ are sufficient for the next five years of mobile industry growth.” I agree 100% with that statement. Check the link below for proof. HSPA+ has the potential to support up to 168mbps on the downlink. Yes, this is theoretical, but still, the LTE Verizon is deploying doesn’t even match to 100mbps while mobile and 1gbps while stationary requirements for 4g standards nor does Sprint. So, as I have said before, LONG LIVE HSPA+

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolved_HSPA

    • blah

      100mbps sustained is the minimum requirement, meaning its the minimum possible connection allowed. 168mbps on HSPA+ is a burst speed similar to how comcast gives you bursts of 8mbps but sustained speed is much lower.And no it doesnt currently have those number but they will and likely much sooner than everyone thinks. That being said HSPA+ is an excellent complement to LTE/WiMAX as it has a larger footprint and more readily deployed. I expect it will be a similar experience of going from 3G to 2G networks based on availability. HSPA+ is present technology. LTE/WiMAX is future technology.

  • Miguel

    We’re closer to true 4G (LTE) than you think. New system module, bringing fiber directly into our cabinets, new RNC (switch) software and the spectrum space of course. Don’t hold me to it but it looks like all of this will happen by next summer. Your friendly neighborhood FOPS Man:)

  • but…

    it really doesn’t matter if t-mobile is faster or not until its able to be used inside buildings…..

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jamille-Browne/1184321457 Jamille Browne

      I am able to use tmo inside buildings :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

        then you have never been in a real building lol. i have been in some old schools that are all brick and if you go to fair in to the center you will drop all bars doesn’t matter who you have and parking garages can be just as bad

        • Anonymous

          Lol what do you consider a real building?? because I am always in a building well 99.9% of the time anyways. I get coverage in buildings for example my web programming class at sac(san antonio college) it has no windows all brick except for the wooden door. I get calls then so obviously I get service, I even had full bars. Not exactly old school but its still a building. Hell I even got coverage in the basement of that same building. Quite amazing actually. It could also just be the phone, because I am able to get coverage in more places on my moto zn5 than my behold 2 for some odd reason, I guess they used different antennas.

        • kershon

          I lose all bars in the shitter in Walmart. Muhahahahahahahahah. Seriously, I can’t make a call in my house unless it is over uma.

  • Anonymous

    does anyone think that the nexus s might be introduced during google chrome’s new os and computer?

    • Anonymous

      Way to stay on topic…

      • Anonymous

        lol.. i didnt know anywhere else to put it

        • http://tmonews.com David

          How about a Nexus S post?

        • Anonymous

          no one goes there anymore ..)…8

        • Anonymous

          tmonews should make their own reviews.
          I dont get why you tmonews people don’t like to talk in the very few reviews you have done.
          And why don’t you talk? are you afraid that someone might recognize you?

        • http://tmonews.com David

          If I was afraid someone might recognize my voice, I wouldn’t have done the 200 podcasts I’ve done thus far. I’ll try and break it down. T-Mobile has yet to place us on a first run review phone list so we have to go out and buy our own devices. Needless to say, there is not an unlimited budget for review phones so until such a time when T-Mobile deems us worthy of review devices, we’ll continue to post from sites who have complete video reviews.

          In the future, try and post comments that are relevant to the topic.

        • Anonymous

          ok.. that sux

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Evan-Carter/583336419 Evan Carter

          That will be the day I suppose. It would be nice to see your take on the G2.

  • blah

    Wow, Ive been reading the comments and I am absolutely amazed at how much more informed the posters are. I disagree with the articles claim of 5 years for one reason and one reason only. Verizon’s cease of deployment of FIOS. Think about it. It can use the same network to deliver voice/data/ and home internet. It makes enormous since to invest and build into an all air solution rather than a direct to home wired solution. This of home much dramatically cheaper that is than full direct fiber deployment, not think of the millions/billions that would take to build that network and what is verizon instead invested all of that into its LTE solution instead. I agree with another poster where it may be possible to see LTE-advanced within a year because of a singular push to deploy internet/tv/phone/voice etc. all through the same over air distribution channel. Honestly the only thing Im worried about is an increased risk in cancer…..

    • http://tmonews.com David

      The five year claim wasn’t me, I was merely re-stating the results of the Ovum report.

      • blah

        I know, sorry if it seemed like it was directed at you. Also can we get an edit button. I type long posts out on my cell sometimes and text prediction isnt always accurate and I dont realize Ive made a mistake until after Ive posted it.

        • Anonymous

          we have always had edit buttons since disqis

        • Anonymous

          are you in jail?
          or are you comparing your room/house with a cell?

  • Anonymous

    Look, regardless of what a lot of you think, “true 4G” or not, HSPA+ STILL offers awesome 4G-like SPEEDS, period. What do y’all want?? Awesome speeds, right?? Or is it the technology?? Well, T-Mobile found a way to bring those speeds to you and didn’t even have to do it with LTE. And I choose speeds…speeds that currently awesome compared to ANYONE out there claiming they have “true 4G” networks. Who cares?? Let the speeds speak for themselves. If they have “true 4G” speeds but their speeds does not surpass our “fake 4G” speeds, guess what…we are doing something right! Next year we’ll be at 42Mbps with future potential eventually at 168Mbps. What are we complaining about, people? If in the very looooooong run we need LTE to go beyond 168Mbps, then we’ll cross that bridge when we get there. For now, the truth of the matter is that HSPA+ is the best out there offering speeds that destroy all speeds from other networks regardless of what they call it. Enjoy and be happy…sheesh! :)

  • Ginadee

    T-Mobile’s biggest issues they need to overcome if they want users to take them seriously:

    A) No more spotty 3G/4G. T-Mobile gone cheap by only adding HSPA (in a rush) to some cell sites within a given area due to budget concerns. That’s why we keep seeing our phones bounce to EDGE 40% of the day even in a well covered 4G area.

    B) Create more agreements with tower vendors. T-Mobile likes to apply for and build its own sites but this slows down the process. They need to co-locate more sites to quickly fill in gaps and expand coverage to rural areas.

    C) Forge a 2G/3G roaming agreement with ATT nationwide. Not so we can manually choose the network we want to use but so that our phones will automatically roam on 850 MHz GSM/UMTS if we go inside a building and lose PCS/AWS reception.

    D) More fiber ethernet deployments. Verizon’s LTE will eat T-Mo’s shorts if T-Mobile doesn’t step this up at much faster pace. (Dirty secret) Right now T-Mobile is only putting fiber to the most metro densely built parts of major cities. That means for the rest of us all we’l get is T1′s and will never ever see anything over 5 Mbps speeds even if we’re in a HSPA + 21 Mbps area. With T1′s all it takes is a few users in any given area and network speeds will plummet.

    E) Change your image. Get edgy and modern. Revamp your marketing to show network strength speed and capabilities. No more sleepy Whoopi Goldberg commercials.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jamille-Browne/1184321457 Jamille Browne

      A) sure I can agree
      B) T-mobile building its own network keeps us from paying a premium to other networks, sure its slow but having your own is much worth it.
      C) I get great coverage inside buildings and when you can’t there is always wifi calling and the likes.
      D) Eh.
      E) T-Mobile’s image is fine. If you don’t like it you can go to Verizon or whatever other network where they are “edgy and modern” and go pay more. As long as my bill is cheaper than the competition and the devices are on par if not better than theirs I am okay with that. The image is fine.

    • Ghuayu

      i really agree the point from both of you guys. as far with the insfratructure of their network are doing excellent, because they are the last national carrier of the nation, of course they will be in a good spot to learn from the other big guys mistake and taking it as a learning opportunity to improve it. since their parent company Deutche telekom is already testing the LTE in oversea, you could find ther video thru youtube, as you could see they could wait till the LTE test is completed then they could bring the best experiences and solution over the U.S shore. and other they won’t have the time and opportunity to test out the both HSPA+ and LTE at the same time. so I think T-mbile are doing a smart thing to mature the HSPA+ first once it is completed then that’s time for them to bring the LTE solution from Oversea….. another thing T-mobile image is not liked ATT and Verizon, just care about how modern and how cool they are, T-mobile want to give the best service value to the customer and value them as a part of the family. that’s the reason I love them so much and being a loyalty customer for more than 7 yrs…

    • Ura

      A) T Mobs coverage is actually great. In remote areas in the Midwest to the East its actually better than Sprint and Verizon. Only ATT has more coverage (voicewise) datawise. T Mob actually provides edge almost everywhere. They should provide 3G (HSPA+, WiMax or Verizon’s substandard LTE are not 4G in any way) on all major interstates and highways and surrounding areas. They have promised to do this by next year. We shall see. (The 30states is something I personally tested with phones from all 4 vendors, this coming week I shall be testing Ohio and its surrounding areas).

      B) Its a wise move to own your towers, that way you can stay profitable. If that means a slow process, well its a slow process. Beyond that each company has its own policy. Having seen how these agreements work, T Mobile would depend on some other provider, if this would be a CDMA provider, it would cause interference problems, if it was ATT.. see next item.

      C) ATT…. NO WAY, why would anyone want to use inferior technology. TMobile has a huge competitive advantage coveragewise and speedwise over ATT. That would be a foolish move!!! ATT has more voice coverage now, but their network is subpar even for underdeveloped countries. Its hard to believe they are business at all!

      D) As far as speed, whereever they state they have 4G or 3G, I never surf under 2000Mpbs, thats a lot better than Verizon or ATT. Now, what they need to improve is latency. that isn’t more fiber, that has to do with better server farms or routers. This last half year there has been an improvement. Verizon’s network is actually very slow, always show up with the Incredible and the Vibrant to prove this point to them. And the fact you can’t do voice and data at the same time makes Verizon’s net useless for business for someone like me that needs both due to meetings through Neetmeeting and Intercall. So Verzion can keep their service.

      E) Ginadee, change your perception, if you haven’t seen the latest commercials, you really have been living elsewhere. T Mob has changed its image.

      My complaint, give Samsung Galaxy S users not Froyo cause you missed that boat, give us Android 2.3 Gingerbread and better phones. The G2 is alright, but you need a real Nexus type phone with the latest OS. And don’t let Samsung twist your arm, buy the hardware and provide the software yourself, then, you will make a diff. If you depend on Samsung for anything software related, you will get great hardware but the worst software and user experience, because Samsung does not understand customer service.

      • http://www.facebook.com/matt.mingkee Matt Tsui

        MyTouch 4 is actually a great phone except:
        1. speakerphone: this is the worst I ever used. It’s much worse than any SE phones (I have wireless speaker/speakerphone so I have to use it instead).
        2. weaker reception than nexus one: I jumped in debug mode to see the dBm. Obviously MT4 has 2-6 dBm less than nexus one. This is a reason why it always has one less bar than nexus one and Optimus T.

    • Ura

      A) T Mobs coverage is actually great. In remote areas in the Midwest to the East its actually better than Sprint and Verizon. Only ATT has more coverage (voicewise) datawise. T Mob actually provides edge almost everywhere. They should provide 3G (HSPA+, WiMax or Verizon’s substandard LTE are not 4G in any way) on all major interstates and highways and surrounding areas. They have promised to do this by next year. We shall see. (The 30states is something I personally tested with phones from all 4 vendors, this coming week I shall be testing Ohio and its surrounding areas).

      B) Its a wise move to own your towers, that way you can stay profitable. If that means a slow process, well its a slow process. Beyond that each company has its own policy. Having seen how these agreements work, T Mobile would depend on some other provider, if this would be a CDMA provider, it would cause interference problems, if it was ATT.. see next item.

      C) ATT…. NO WAY, why would anyone want to use inferior technology. TMobile has a huge competitive advantage coveragewise and speedwise over ATT. That would be a foolish move!!! ATT has more voice coverage now, but their network is subpar even for underdeveloped countries. Its hard to believe they are business at all!

      D) As far as speed, whereever they state they have 4G or 3G, I never surf under 2000Mpbs, thats a lot better than Verizon or ATT. Now, what they need to improve is latency. that isn’t more fiber, that has to do with better server farms or routers. This last half year there has been an improvement. Verizon’s network is actually very slow, always show up with the Incredible and the Vibrant to prove this point to them. And the fact you can’t do voice and data at the same time makes Verizon’s net useless for business for someone like me that needs both due to meetings through Neetmeeting and Intercall. So Verzion can keep their service.

      E) Ginadee, change your perception, if you haven’t seen the latest commercials, you really have been living elsewhere. T Mob has changed its image.

      My complaint, give Samsung Galaxy S users not Froyo cause you missed that boat, give us Android 2.3 Gingerbread and better phones. The G2 is alright, but you need a real Nexus type phone with the latest OS. And don’t let Samsung twist your arm, buy the hardware and provide the software yourself, then, you will make a diff. If you depend on Samsung for anything software related, you will get great hardware but the worst software and user experience, because Samsung does not understand customer service.

  • House3272

    I just wish they somehow could find a faster frequency….like something under 1000mhz. Better building penetration perhaps? I know its 3g sucks absolute balls. I could totally have waited a year or two if their new hspa ran at a stronger frequency…..now I just dont know….

  • http://www.facebook.com/matt.mingkee Matt Tsui

    HSPA still has lots of room to grow (can expand to 168Mbps, which is much much more than enough even with few computers) and it’s backward-compatible with old school UMTS devices as long as band supports.
    T-Mobile should take this advantage to fully expand 3G network and prepare for spectrum for LTE-A (true 4G network available mid-next decade).
    Forget about LTE, it will become obsolete once LTE-A is available.

    • GinaDee

      T-Mobile doesn’t have enough AWS spectrum to deploy 168 Mbps HSPA +.

      They don’t have enough AWS spectrum to deploy multi carrier 42 Mbps HSPA + in all areas either.

      They need to hurry up and build out their entire / entire / entire network with HSPA + now so they can push people onto capable devices. This will free up the PCS spectrum to be re-farmed to HSPA +.

      As long as GPRS is the default backup in most areas outside of big cities “4G,” will continue to be spotty outside of marketing world.

      • http://twitter.com/FR35HM1NDZ Jamille Browne

        Oh quit being so pessimestic.

        • Jenevive

          Quit seeing everything out of rose colored glasses. Gina has a point. I live in Los Angeles. We have HSPA + out here but my phone is always on “EDGE.” First I thought it was just my Vibrant but even on the MT4G and my Galaxy Tab it’s the same story everywhere.

          Perhaps T-Mobile’s marketing war is ahead of its deployment schedule. What I mean is convince consumers to buy into your network using marketing tactics first then follow up later by finishing the network rollouts when they start to complain?

        • Eric The Technician

          The reason you see this so much is because we only retrofit some of our sites with UMTS paneling and not all of them. We only have so much money budgeting per region per quarter to play with.

          What we do is put up just enough sites to “cover,” an area with 3G or 4G but unfortunately we don’t light up all sites within a certain vicinity. That’s why you will often see full bars EDGE and lower signal strength 3G/4G in the same spot.

          When the UMTS signal is already weaker then the neighboring 2G paneling you also have more issues with congestion because CDMA (wCDMA) interfaces suffer from cell breathing. So certain times of the day when more users are on the network the UMTS signal will appear even weaker. The 3G/4G phones are designed to switch over to EDGE when the UMTS network is overly taxed in that area.

          This issue was brought to light when the Nexus 1 was introduced. Some major areas have improved but until we get more $$$ from the mother ship we have to work with what we have. Hopefully we don’t irritate too many customers over it.

        • http://twitter.com/FR35HM1NDZ Jamille Browne

          Yes, we should all look through the same sh*t stain glasses you two seem to be looking at .If they don’t have enough spectrum don’t you think they would acquire it? especially being as committed as they are. They said 42mbps was coming by next year, it doesn’t matter if someone believes there isn’t enough spectrum or not t-mobile is gonna make sh*t happen. 168mbps is at least 5 years away ain’t nobody saying its going to happen now. This is why I said quit being so pessimestic. The only point gina had was about tmobile needing a more solid coverage in regards to 3g/4g everything else is a load of crap.

        • blah

          Wow, fanboi much? Leave the tech talk to the techs buddy. See below.

      • pnapoli

        You are wrong. We have plenty of spectrum. Enough for 5 carriers on each site and we are just now turning on our 2nd carriers. We have plenty of room to grow.

  • Tazy254

    i know this is off topic but can somebody tell me if wirefly is legit because i dont really shop online thanks in advance

    • phonegeek

      wirefly is legit no worries there, but best to shop through the actual company (t-mobile.com) for instance

      • Harley

        These people have probably never ordered from Wirefly. Authorized dealer, better return policies than retailers like BestBuy, fast shipping, no sales tax, unbeatable deals… I’ve purchased my last several phones from them including all of my family’s phones. LOVE Wirefly. P.S. on top of their great deals, you can always find a coupon code on their Facebook page, and on top of that you can get cash back if you start at one of their affiliate sites like ebates or Bank of America Add It Up ($50 per phone).

    • Anonymous

      yes it is, they wouldn’t do reviews if they weren’t, + I got a hero from sprint earlier this year but returned it because it was too expensive and got my money back in 2 week, also i got a vibrant through them, and the same, I returned it AGAIN and recieved my money in 2 weeks.
      only thin is that you won’t be able to get a phone online if u decide to return it and get a new one, also if you cancel or don’t pay your bill and service is temporarily suspended during the 180-day period, you will be charged by wirefly 250$ plus 200$ from t-mobile if canceled.

      I would go through t-mobile, because right now, this night idk for how much longer though, the my touch 4g is at 130$, the vibrant at 100$, HD7 130, and motorola defy is 30.

      • http://twitter.com/FR35HM1NDZ Jamille Browne

        Walmart stores have better prices.

        I seen the vibrant for $78 on contract and upgrade.

        The G2 was about $99 I think.

        • Tazy254

          because at wirefly its 80 so 2 for 160 and t-mobile 2 for 300 then 100 mail in rebate but thats a whole process

  • Tazy254

    i know this is off topic but can somebody tell me if wirefly is legit because i dont really shop online thanks in advance

  • http://twitter.com/fairuse fairuse

    All the talk about which is better HSPA or LTE, which is faster, cooler, a hot property and even which is a better trophy spouse made me think about how well T-mobile’s service works in real life, so to speak.

    So, I grabbed my G2 and bambuser mobile broadcaster and went live. I broadcasted over my Airport Extreme connected to Comcast HSI and the HSDPA offered in my area, Washington DC Metroplex. It was a simple and fair comparison doing something an average person would do.

    I am not going to junk up the conversation with the notes but if anyone wants to see what was done and see my yammering it is in my notebook, Journal of a High-Tech Cat:

    http://duddits-fairuse.blogspot.com/2010/12/oh-dark-thirty-and-bored-instant-mobile.html

    Conclusion: Ok. I could see a difference between upstream via WiFi and HSDPA but you have to see the test to see what the difference is. I see HSPA+ as a solid technology and T-Mobile is marketing it well. So IMHO, LTE is another “look at me” marketing campaign.

  • Samsunguy

    well