Sprint Disses T-Mobile 4G Network Claims

T-Mobile officially kicked off their 4G marketing campaign tonight with the introduction of a video that took a shot across the bow of AT&T.  While we’re certain to hear an AT&T response in the next day or two, Sprint certainly took the opportunity to take a shot at T-Mobile even before the commercial ran.

Sprint 4G President Matt Carter responded to T-Mobile’s claims by saying:

“Halloween is over–it’s time for T-Mobile to stop dressing up like their favorite super hero–Sprint 4G.”

That’s all well and nice, President Carter, but around these parts we recognize that what really counts is cold hard facts.  You can take all the cheap shots you want but the proof is in the pudding as they say.  Recently, I tested out both the EVO 4G and Epic 4G, Sprint’s so-called, “4G” enabled handsets, and the first thing I tested was data speeds.  On average, I would get around 2.3Mbps (Downlink) in New York City on Sprint’s 4G (WiMAX) network and around 5Mbps (Downlink) on T-Mobile’s 4G (HSPA+) network.  But, unlike Sprint’s 4G network which requires a 4G handset to take advantage of the network, T-Mobile’s 4G network is backward compatible, meaning non-HSPA+ handsets will also benefit and receive a speed increase.  Furthermore, T-Mobile’s 4G network has a max download rate of 21Mbps with plans to upgrade to 42Mbps beginning next year, compared to Sprint’s 4G network which has a max of 10Mbps download speeds.  Lastly, in addition to being forced to purchase a 4G- enabled handset to take advantage of Sprint’s “4G” network, Sprint also charges customers who want to use 4G data speeds $10  extra each month.  T-Mobile does not charge anything extra to use its 4G network.

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  • Ansel

    Sprint needs to sit down, shut up, and stop hating smh…what, feeling threatened already by big bad T-Mobile lol??

    • J-Hop2o6

      i aint gonna lie tho.. that Super Hero–Sprint 4G sentence was preddy funny.. but yea, Sprint needs to stop hating and worry about migrating to LTE.. Tmo is faster than them (and the rest) now and later.. especially once Tmo upgrades their HSPA+ once again in 2012 to DC-HSPA+ w/ MIMO (DC-HSPA+ in 2011) to reach 84mbps (theoretical).

      Tmo’s current data is HSPA+ (Release 7 – Category 14)
      2011 = [Dual-Cell/Carrier] DC-HSPA+ (Rel. 8 – Cat. 24)
      2012 = DC-HSPA w/ MIMO [multiple input, multiple output] (Rel. 9 – Cat. 28)
      2013 = LTE

      • blah

        VERY VERY awesome on the MIMO update!!! I heard rumors but didnt actually believe it was in their long term plans since they claimed they would head the LTE route. That being said if they are investing in HSPA+ like this it doesnt look like they will make the switch to LTE until 2014/15 and this appears to be their actual long term “4G” solution. True it will get the speeds and coverage up quicker but in the long term it could prove detrimental. Maybe by then they will have the subscriber base to built their LTE network.

        And yes the super hero comment was funny, the reason they have to confront these claims is because ATT and Verizon will be entering the 4G market soon so they have to stay the leader in this market for the time being. Sprint has a recurrent fear that WiMAX is DOA in the US, which it likely is… which is honestly the only reason Im not with Sprint right now. They were my very first carrier until I switched to TMO. Had they not choosen the likely ill-fated WiMAX I may have gone back. Either way its a shame their network will crash and they have to build dual LTE/WiMax phones just to compensate for their poor choice… I applaud them for being pioneers but they really shouldnt have gun on 4G and WiMAZ in the US in particular…Unfortunately, like the majority of the first pioneers they run the rest of just flat out dying…

      • blah

        Also just found this quote from TMO

        “IntoMobile asked T-Mobile what justification it uses to call HSPA+ a 4G network.

        “The market has determined what 4G is, and customers aren’t concerned with what the ITU decides or the technology behind it. Customers have come to expect faster speeds and a better overall experience, ” Reid Walker, VP of Corporate Communications for T-Mobile, said.”

        Ok fair enough but blantantly saying no one cares what the ITU who defines the standard says??? There are reasons there are standards, wifi standards, bluetooth standards, you cant just ignore them and make up whatever you want. At least make an effort to comply with the set standards.

      • J-Hop2o6

        well i hope Tmo starts building out LTE ASAP once they get the spectrum needed for it, and launch it when they have atleast 20 markets ready to be lit, while still having HSPA+ of course.. so hopefully LTE will be here way before 2014.. its more than just speed to me.. i want to use the new tech, new air interface, etc in true 4G.. u know what i mean Blah.. and other than waiting for subscriber grwoth, they better ask for more $$$ from DT to build out LTE cuhz DT supports LTE heavy.. and yea, it is nice seeing these huge speed bumps (gettin close to true 4G speeds).

        and that makes sense on using the 4G term since Verizon will soon.. not sure on AT&T’s stance on their LTE.. end of 2011? but AT&T has been quiet on their network for awhile than (other than 7.2 HSPA, lol).. and Sprint wont do dual WiMax/LTE phones.. thats insane.. they’ll juss start doin LTE phones and no more new WiMax phones whenever they start their LTE network.

        and yea, i read that comment earlier today.. it makes sense, but still, HSPA+ is still using 3G/WCDMA/UMTS air interface, while WiMax & LTE are using new air interfaces (LTE uses E-UTRAN).. so thats too big of a lie.. its more than just speed, which is mainly what WiMax and LTE are missing from in their current form.. LTE should have voice support soon in early 2011.

      • Bill

        problem is you have to realize marketing is more important than specifications to a large majority. look at computers. how long did the public blindly buy intel products when amd switched to processor equivilancy based on the fact that intel had higher mhz ratings? if you looked at (and still look at) the mhz to mhz ratings amd was higher, but the standard didn’t allow for the common consumer to see that value. this is the same with 4g. if sprint is going to ignore the “standard” and call wimax 4g when it’s 3.75g, why should t-mobile play fair and call theirs what it is: HSPA+ or 3.50g. standards ARE important, the people that need to know them do, and the marketing plays to the mob. to put it simply the mob does not care about standards, they care about value.

    • Kold

      Screw CDMA and screw capped “unlimited” data plans. Yeah, AT&T, I just went there.

    • J-Hop2o6

      We know its good marketing, and most consumers wouldn’t now the abc’s (even basics) of wireless tech.. Blah and I are just getting technical.. and WiMax is actually 4G.. but its in its pre stages (pre-4G) right now until 802.16m (and MIMO?) rolls out.. its currently 802.16e.. and Tmo’s HSPA+ is 3.75 (3.9 w/ DC & MIMO).

      but yea, like i said, HSPA+ is will never be 4G since its still using 3G/WCDMA air interface.. while WiMax and LTE in their current forms are using new air interfaces.. calling HSPA+ 4G is too big of a lie.. but its good marketing either way.. but hopefully they wont get sued for this.. thats why i have a problem with them calling it 4G.

  • vinny

    Sprint is just pissed off at the world. Worst network in the country. You are forced to pay an extra $10.00 a month if you own a 4G phone even if you don’t live in a 4G area. No 4G but you still pay. Great freaken deal. Sprint better get off the can and get on the stick. Snap the hell out of it, this is T-Mobile country. They have the most expensive devices without any merit. Why go Sprint when you can go the fastest and the best, go T-Mobile. My DL speeds on average with my Nexus One are around on average between 3.5 and 5.5 mbps. Upload speeds are between 750 – 1000 mbps. Not too shabby.

    • Kickstar13

      Almost forgot Sprint also charges extra to use their “4G” speeds.

    • chogardjr

      I think its funny that everyone is upset at Sprint. I get 4g speeds of about 3.5 – 7mbps down and 1000mbps up. This is consistant but I do complain about its penetration and distance. As I drive to and from work I drive through about five 4g hotspots getting 3g in between. I love the speeds I get put wish it was less geographical. I don’t know much about tmob except anyone I call, or call me, sounds like crap. If they were to fix voice call clarity and were getting same speeds regardless of what kinda network, I would give them a shot.

      • Serotheo

        If everyone that calls you or that you call sounds like crap.. it could be your phone…

  • abel2fresh4u

    Lets go tmobile hit the ball!!

  • tehandroid

    Sprint can suck it, they’re bested and can’t accept it.

  • I live in an area where i get terrible phone reception and my connection drops to edge whenever i get home :( …why can’t you come near my house T-mobile please!

    • Serotheo

      Same here.. at school I get 2.5Mbps-3Mbps down and 1Mbps up.. when i get home.. Speeds fall till I hit Edge at home, my crappy DSL at home is faster than the 3G I get sitting by my window.

  • jp

    It was bound to happen. Im sure theres more to come.

  • DallasDude

    In Sprint’s Super World 10>21. SMH.

  • chris

    Oh crap, T-Mobile is getting serious! I think that T-Mo is owning every carrier right now lol!

  • TMOBILE4LIFE

    Sprint cry me a river and go drown in it!!!!

  • TMoFan

    I’m so glad T-Mobile will be aggressively advertising their 4G. Show ’em how’s it’s done Magenta!

  • this is BIG! you can clearly tell that T-Mobile put a lot of thought and effort into “Project Emerald”

  • David Thomas

    Sprint is hurt that the red-headed stepchild is factually better than the flashy blonde. You’re the ones dressing up as “4G”, Sprint. You hear that? It’s the sound of 21Mbps laughing in your face, the voices of people crying out about your $10 “4G” fees. Why? Why are these people so angry about paying you extra for a service they may or may not have available in their area? That’s right, because the rent is too damn high.

    • blah

      We are going to keep getting into the technicals of why HSPA+ isnt 4G technology because apparently no one is listening, cares, or wants to be educated on it. Sprint uses 4G technology, only the infrastructure isnt there. If you check the specs for 802.16e vs. m the ONLY difference is 1GB require, same channels, frequencies, etc.

      Looking at J-Hops post above and viewing the TMO roadmap I doubt US TMO will see LTE until 2014/15. Why? They are building some of the 4G requirements into their HSPA+ spec such as MIMO, lowering latency, but still retaining the dual channel which is against 4G regulations since its all IP-based. As per the generally accepted model and term of 4G, it is ALL IP-based cellular communication which is Pre-ITUs definition of 4G which is why Sprint did originally comply with the term 4G because it was by general standards up until recently and still has the backbone of a true 4G network.

      Semantics aside ATT has already talked about TMOs network before. You cant take on the Iphone/ATT and Sprint/Evo 4G at the same time and not expect a $h#tfight…

      http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/t-mobile-boasts-4g-speeds-hspa-expansion/2010-05-25?utm_medium=rss&utm_source=rss

      • thisguy

        So T-mos 3G is faster than Sprints 4G…..if so, those standards suck.

      • johnkzin

        Bzzt. Wrong.

        Not only is HSPA+ not a 4G technology … neither is WiMAX. That wasn’t a recent ITU ruling, WiMAX has been called “3.5G” for years. The only people on the planet that call WiMAX “4G” are Sprint and their fan boys.

        There is no currently deployed 4G network. HSPA+ is not 4G. WiMAX is not 4G. They’re both late extensions to 3G. Both sides should sit down and STFU.

  • immadroid

    tmo is coming up, i’m glad i’m sticking around and getting the mytouch 4g =)

  • keawai

    Well said!

  • jesus

    I love this commercial :D hhaha

  • Tito!

    Sprint, Get off T-Mobile’s nuts.
    & Change your Network’s name to Slander .
    XD

    (Threatened? Sit back. The Magenta Shadow has been cast. :)

  • kershon

    T-Mobile has finally got balls. Frk Sprint and ATT. Let the games begin!

  • James

    This is actually kinda exciting. T-Mobile is actually pushing back at these BS 4g claims, and the big boys are feeling threatened. This is great!

  • djdarkknight96

    Lmfao, go tmo go! Oh yeah already there! Sprint who? Hahaha!

  • Josh

    Yeah I bet it has to do with the new CEO. Robert Dotson was a freakign pansy!

  • BackAlley

    Haven’t you all heard that Sprint’s business is boomin! They added 664,000 subscribers last quarter! Oh, yeah and they posted a loss of $911 million! They can barely keep their head above water as it is and if it was wasn’t for Clearwire there to build out your WiMax network that has put you hugely in debt, I’m sure you would be waving the white flag of shame since you have nothing else to compete against The Top Dog, The King of Speed, T-Mobile!!!

  • Hecg55

    The girl is beautiful but what happened to catherine zeta??

    • Eddie Android

      She married Zorro and now own T-Mobile lol.

  • Name*

    Tmobil should have been faster since it’s got no subscribers…. traffic free.

  • DEPT

    The reason Tmobile is doing this is because they have a new president of the company! He is imported straight from DT and he is here to kick american cell phone companies butts!

  • watbetch

    Call me when Sprint can actually afford to build a 4G network of their own.

  • Robin

    Preach on brother preach on. Can’t wait to get mines lol

  • Spencer

    From the reviews I’ve seen sprint has about an average of 8mbps to 10mbps

    • Kickstar13

      Links please.

    • jim

      Sitting next to my buddy on his EVO 4g, time and time again, we compare speeds, and my good old Nexus One beats him out every time here in west Houston. I see speeds ranging from 1.2-5Mbps, but average around 1.7-3Mbps (note: my phone doesn’t support the “4G” speeds).. he gets excited when he breaks 1Mbps. It’s usually at this point that I ask him how it feels to pay an extra $10/month for that? :P

      • jdog

        I have gotten up to 7.5mbps in Sugar Land on my Nexus One.

  • When people start biting, you’re doing something right. Good job, T-Mo.

  • papeshfoo

    Where is MailMan? BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!

  • Darnell

    “4G” is not ONLY about speed. What T-Mobile has is not true 4G when considering all the aspects of what is comprised in a true “4G” network.

    But hey, what really matters most to customers, speed :) .

    Just the same, T-Mobile should have stuck with the “4G speed” statements instead of trying to claim it’s really a 4G network. If they get sued and lose, we all lose because we customers will have to fund the loss.

    Like it or not, Sprint is right to say T-Mobile is a 3G network wearing a 4G costume. T-Mobile could have shown how actual speeds for users are faster and such. Plenty of ways to trump Sprint without claiming the network is true 4G, it’s not.

    • Kickstar13

      But at the same time according to the ITU, Sprint’s WiMAX network isn’t a “4G Network” either. Same goes for AT&T and Verizon’s upcoming LTE network.

      • Darnell

        Also, when Sprint first claimed they had “3G” it was not really “3G” ;) .

        So this has been a long running issue of carriers making claims that don’t meet technical spec.

      • Darnell

        Good article here on the issue of 4G marketing and how each carrier has sold it: http://www.bgr.com/2010/11/03/the-4g-forgery/

  • Alex

    please correct your pudding idiom – It is actually “the proof of the pudding is in the eating”

  • dahhh….

    It doesn’t sound like Sprint and AT&T customers are the cry babies on this link but it does sound like it’s the TMO people…

  • Nother

    I always wonder about the quality of articles like this when I see information like, “T-Mobile’s 4G network has a max download rate of 21Mbps with plans to upgrade to 42Mbps beginning next year, compared to Sprint’s 4G network which has a max of 10Mbps download speeds.”

    My understanding is that HSPA+ has a theoretical max of 21Mbps and WiMax (802.16e) has a theoretical max of 40Mbps. The HSPA+ max may upgrade to 42Mbps and WiMax may upgrade to WiMax 2 (802.16m) at 100Mbps mobile and 1Gbps fixed/stationary.

    Comparing theoretical max (21Mbps) to advertised capabilities (10Mbps) is deceptive.

    • MoreCents

      It’s very deceptive, Nother.

  • nightkid

    Sprint just accepted the fact that you cannot considered your pathetic wimax as a 4G because you are not getting the peak speed rate to compared with tmo HSPA+ . Just shut you. Mouth and go back there to start to plan out a better idea how to implement your pathetic wimax tower, don’t wasted any more time just siTting there and willing about it. Be reality!!!!!!

  • hello….

    This link is nothing but a bunch of non-technical people talking about something they know nothing about…..There is a reason why TMO is # 4….

  • Nother

    “Be reality!!!!!!”

    Buddha couldn’t have said it better.

  • Tim

    you may be getting 5Mps now, but thats becasue there is almost no users on that network wait til people start buying that phone and tmobile does not have the capacity to support all those users at one time guess what happens the speed goes way down. sprint has more than needed amount of spectrum to keep the users running at the same speed

    FACT!

    • Ozz

      I just switch to sprint from TMO, which 4g in my area is lit up, and I get a constant 8.5-9.2 Mps on my Epic 4g. It all depends where you live. When i had tmo i was getting variable speed, at night was the best – day=556kps-1.4Mps and at night (11:30pm) i saw 1.4-2.1Mps, but it was not constant speed and of course reception too was bad. I was with them 4 years.

      • Tato22

        amen

      • So you get above average throughput ALL THE TIME. Maybe very few users on the network? Maybe it’s just where you live?

        From Sprint’s website on their theoretical speeds (http://shop.sprint.com/en/stores/popups/4G_coverage_popup.shtml):

        4G speeds are up to 10x faster than 3G. That’s like swapping out DSL for a high-speed cable modem.

        So what’s the difference? 4G 3G
        =========================================
        Average download speeds 3-6 Mbps 600Kbps – 1.4 Mbps
        Peak download speeds More than 10 Mbps Up to 3.1 Mbps

    • JTORTIZ JO

      You guys that have sprint’ good job! I had t-mobile before I was paying almost 80$ with internet n unlimited calling, not text, not you tube, that was x, and a bunch of drop calls, people I know that still have t-mobile still have that problem… With sprint I have everthing unlimited, including sprint tv, everything about football, nascar cup mobile, and everything else that sprint covers…. HTC EVO 4G.

  • D.LaFleur

    That Lady is smoking!!!!!!

  • SublimeDavid

    I think last numbers ive heard is that t-mobile has only used around 30% of it’s capacity so they have quite a long way to go..

  • fore gee

    For future reference, it’s “putting” not “pudding.”

  • Tato22

    i’m in Miami fl and i have the sprint evo and my wife has the t mobile Samsung vibrant my 3g is 10 times faster them her t mobile even in Orlando where they new t mobile fast speeds are at my 3g for sprint is faster idk where u guys getting this from but sprint got it so far cuz in fl t mobile 3g sucks

  • ken

    i think tmo still need to strengthen it’s 3G service i’m still getting EDGE on my G2 at home.

    unless u live in the city you will not be seeing 4G or 3G…just EDGE

  • Tato22

    why dose my comment keep getting deleted ?????????????/

  • Here’s an interesting read called “The 4G Forgery”

    http://www.bgr.com/2010/11/03/the-4g-forgery/

  • alex

    Just because you soop up your 3g network shouldnt allow you to consider it a 4g network. They want to say the biggest 4g network but they dont even have enough 3g to begin with. Tmobile sucks and Sprint has more spectrum than anyone. So let the race begin

  • Elk

    Neither Sprint (WiMax), T-Mobile (HSPA+), Verizon (LTE), or AT&T (LTE) can claim to be 4G. All are lies!!!

    The International Telecommunication Union defines 4G as LTE-Advanced or WiMan-Advanced which are completely different from Sprint’s WiMax, Verizon and AT&T’s LTE, and T-mobile’s HSPA+. Technically, these are 3.5G, but NOT 4G!!!

    Link to the ITU 4G Definition: http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/40.aspx

    It is nothing but a marketing scam!

    • Drumguy1384

      You are correct. WiMax, HSPA+, and LTE are all just enhancements and/or add-ons to the current “3G” protocols.

      In fact, 3G itself was a GSM (later expanded to include W-CDMA and others) standard developed by the 3GPP http://www.3gpp.org/

      The reason why we say that these new tech are not truly 4G is because the full standards of the 4GPP have not yet been completed or published. The only way these companies get away with calling it “4G” is they can say that it is the 4th generation of THEIR network.

      That being said these respective companies are making strides to improve their networks and data speeds which is commendable. What will and won’t be rolled into the actual 4G standard remains to be seen, but by the time it’s standardized the devices will already be widely available. It is, however, safe to say for now that one should just choose the tech that works best for them now or in the very near future because it’s all bound to change again soon.

      • Drumguy1384

        Correction:

        Elk, you are correct that the 4G standards do exist. However, from what I understand, none of the US networks will come close to it in the near future. So, my previous advice stands. Find the network that works the best for you in your current situation and don’t worry too much about what they call it because it’s all going to be changing again and again until someone actually meets the ITU’s 4G standard. Then it might level off like 3G did for a while before 5G rolls out.

  • i told u so .com

    first tmobile is #4 carrier in the US and will stay that way (look at the Q3 and 4 numbers). Second sprint will soon buy them out once they do go to 4G. third Sprints wimax is still consider 3G but 3.9 still higher then Tmo, but once upgraded in a year to wimax 2 as test show with samsung speeds are at 330mbps which TMo will never reach unless the really upgrade to 4G like the carriers AHEAD OF THEM. last even TMo failed to answer question regarding this claim, and is confermed they know this crap is not considered 4G http://www.techeye.net/mobile/t-mobile-stays-competitive-by-marketing-non-existent-4g. So calm down you clowns, and understand TMO will never be able to match sprint in anything, not pricing , not speeds, not CS not nothing, the best they can do is hope and pray for sprint to buy them out ASAP. Until then you dummys can stay on a inferior network.

    • thedude

      I think I love this guy. Tell them big buddy, Sprint will rule the world!!

    • crazythunder

      “Until then you DUMMY’S can stay on a inferior network”

      ok, it’s CONFERMED,you’re the true dummy. it’s CONFIRMED.

    • ok first off the rumors are that Verizon is going to buy out t-mo not sprint and second they debunked the rumors

      • Oh I’d love to know where these purported Verizon buying Tmo rumors exist? I’ve not heard of that…

  • i told u so .com
  • Tmoled

    I got 4mbps in new york this weekend on my vibrant! Their 4g epic doesn’t even get 3? What a joke! Sprint is so full of crap, they were the first to lie about 4g, freakin clowns.

    • thedude

      New york is a new area to Sprint’s “4g”. Here is dallas, tx I get a minimum of 4mbps down and a high of 8mbps. This is a big city with a lot of cell phones. Figure it out. Tell them I told you so!!!

  • Fresh

    Wow I think my comment got deleted! Tmobile sucks as far as service and everything else! When my contract is up I’m going to sprint to get my Evo 4g!

    • David, Managing Editor

      No comment got deleted, chill out.

  • StarTech

    Go here http://www.mobileunderground.info/showthread.php?t=704&page=1 down to post # 2 and see a HD2 playing a Slingbox video getting speeds over 700 Kbps on T-Mobile’s 3G network. Why I cannot get the same kind of speed on my new MyTouch 4G playing Slingbox TV.

  • Bill

    Let’s do math; networks get faster & faster AND data packages get smaller and smaller.

  • Stephen

    Even with the $10 fee Sprint is still a better value…
    Consider for $79.99(everything data 450 plan +$10 fee) you get unlimited calling to anymobile phone, unlimited text, unlimited data(no caps or bandwidth throttling), Free Sprint Navigation, free Sprint TV, yearly upgrades after 3 months on plan, and 450 roaming and landline minutes, nights start at 7pm)
    On T-Mobile the same $79.99 gets you 500 minutes, unlimited N&W starting at 9pm, unlmited text, and data that is throttled after 5gb.

    I’m only doing contract plans since the phone is cheaper up front…

  • Gabriel

    My tmobile plan has 4 lines, 2 with data, text, talk and 2 with text and talk for 109.99 -750 minutes. But on an individual plan you don’t have to pay 79.99 you can also opt out for 59.99 no contract. I don’t think sprint can match that. And if you want unlimited minutes than pay 79.99 unlimited everything except for data but I’ve not come close to 5gb. I range near 1gb. I don’t have a need to tether. how much extra does sprint’s tethering plan cost you?

    • dropped calls on t-mo isn’t that bad the only time i dropped a call with t-mo was on 25 A in oyster bay and muttontown and that is every carrier because town laws wont let any company build cell towers its the worst dead zone on long island greedy rich ppl!!!!!!!! towers aren’t that ugly and u can make them look like trees

    • Kingwooly1

      I tether for free- root your phone noob

  • Jeff

    I recently switched from T-Mo to Sprint and I couldn’t be happier. T-Mo’s 3G network is pathetic, the number of dropped calls I used to get were my main reason for making the switch and I chose Sprint because they offered me a 30 day trial period with a phone of my choice and service. After 30 days I can report back that there wasn’t a single day that I regretted porting over my number to Sprint. I pay $80/month for unlimited use of everything. I tested Sprint’s 4G in Las Vegas with speeds consistantly around 4 to 8 mbs, surprisingly the phone worked pretty well in the major hotels. Now I am waiting for San Fransisco to light up with 4G next month. I just hope my experiences are equally positive when this happens since I live in Marin County.

  • GABRIEL

    CHICAGO — 4G World — Everyone knows that AT&T Inc. (NYSE: T) is planning to move to Long Term Evolution (LTE) next year, but is the operator also planning a further upgrade of its 3G network in 2011?

    In his keynote here on Tuesday, David Haight, VP of business development at AT&T’s Emerging Devices Organization, said that if users roam off LTE, they would go to faster 3G in 2011. “The good news is that you’re going to fall back to HSPA+, so you’re falling back to 21 megabits, not 7.2 or 3.6,” Haight told the crowd. (See 4G World: AT&T Learns Lessons From iPad.)

    So far, AT&T has only said that it will deploy the earlier 14.4Mbit/s upgrade by the end of this year – 2010, revealing nothing about a 21Mbit/s upgrade in 2011. So we asked AT&T what the official word on this was.

    “HSPA+ technology has a theoretical maximum speed of 21Mbps,” a spokeswoman said, in an email reply to questions. “WE HAVE NOT BEGUN DEPLOYING THE TECHNOLOGY AT THIS TIME”,she said that only this October – then now magically they have 21 hspa+???(See AT&T Plots Widescale HSPA+ Rollout .)

    Nonetheless, if AT&T is interested in keeping up with GSM rival T-Mobile then HSPA+ is a logical progression. T-Mobile is currently rolling out a 21Mbit/s upgrade for 100 cities by year’s end; it currently has the speed boost running in 75 cities in the US.

    The average download speeds offered on 21Mbit/s HSPA+ are in the 5 to 8 Mbit/s range. (See T-Mobile’s HSPA+ Rivals Clearwire, US LTE Speeds.)When we are in Austin,Texas for ANDROID FESTIVAL, TMobile executives said that 42Mbps hspa+ will be available by last week of January or 1st week of February-2011 then AT&T will start to deploy 21Mbps hspa+…

    I called a friend who is engineer in AT&T MOBILITY unit & he said to me that THEY STILL USE THE 7.2Mbps & 14.4Mbps HSPA, NOT YET THE 21 HSPA+(maybe next year around February-2011,he said)

    BEST LIAR OF ALL TIME – AT&T…

  • Rat

    Sorry folks but until T-Mo gets its act together and actually gives service where it says it does, the war will go on. I LOVE TMo but HATE the lack of signal I get. I cannot see paying for the service OR the 4G phone price for no service.

    TMo needs to get MOVING on this. Once they do, I’ll be back. I’m but one fish in the sea, but I’m not the only one complaining…..

  • Gabriel

    CHICAGO — 4G World — Everyone knows that AT&T Inc. (NYSE: T) is planning to move to Long Term Evolution (LTE) next year, but is the operator also planning a further upgrade of its 3G network in 2011?

    In his keynote here on Tuesday, David Haight, VP of business development at AT&T’s Emerging Devices Organization, said that if users roam off LTE, they would go to faster 3G in 2011. “The good news is that you’re going to fall back to HSPA+, so you’re falling back to 21 megabits, not 7.2 or 3.6,” Haight told the crowd. (See 4G World: AT&T Learns Lessons From iPad.)

    So far, AT&T has only said that it will deploy the earlier 14.4Mbit/s upgrade by the end of this year – 2010, revealing nothing about a 21Mbit/s upgrade in 2011. So we asked AT&T what the official word on this was.

    “HSPA+ technology has a theoretical maximum speed of 21Mbps,” a spokeswoman said, in an email reply to questions. “WE HAVE NOT BEGUN DEPLOYING THE TECHNOLOGY AT THIS TIME”,she said that only this October – then now magically they have 21 hspa+???(See AT&T Plots Widescale HSPA+ Rollout .)

    Nonetheless, if AT&T is interested in keeping up with GSM rival T-Mobile then HSPA+ is a logical progression. T-Mobile is currently rolling out a 21Mbit/s upgrade for 100 cities by year’s end; it currently has the speed boost running in 75 cities in the US.

    The average download speeds offered on 21Mbit/s HSPA+ are in the 5 to 8 Mbit/s range. (See T-Mobile’s HSPA+ Rivals Clearwire, US LTE Speeds.)
    When we are in Austin,Texas for ANDROID FESTIVAL, TMobile executives said that 42Mbps hspa+ will be available by last week of January or 1st week of February-2011 then AT&T will start to deploy 21Mbps hspa+…

    I called a friend who is engineer in AT&T MOBILITY unit & he said to me that THEY STILL USE THE 7.2Mbps & 14.4Mbps HSPA, NOT YET THE 21 HSPA+(maybe next year around February-2011,he said)

    BEST LIAR OF ALL TIME – AT&T…

  • I’d like to first comment about old phones being able to take advantage of HSPA+. There is some truth and some lies here.

    If there are more people using the higher order codings (with new handsets that supports 14.4HSDPA) that may free up allocation for slower devices and will make their experience better. But they will be limited to the phone hardware and still requires an upgrade for faster speeds and to reduce the general network load. This advantage is not so definite.

    My MyTouch 3G results below highlight this neglegible advantage.

    And the network changes that HSPA+ allows (where each tower acts as a local internet gateway instead of aggregating the data to a central location like UMTS and GSM) the old handsets will get better (lower) latency regardless of what phones other mobile customers are using. This is a definite advantage to all handsets.

    If you’d like to sling around numbers, I have my own experience to sling around too.

    With T-mobile in the financial district of manhattan on the 15th floor of a building, I was getting about 40-70KB/s during peak hours. Compare that to 200-300KB/s with AT&T (after 850MHz rollout), 300KB/s with Verizon and 40KB/s with Sprint (on 3G), and 500-800KB/s on WiMAX.

    All these tests were done with good signal according to the bars on my phone, although the AT&T test was the oldest, followed by T-mobile (after HSPA+ rollout), and then Sprint and Verizon tests being recent and simultaneous, and all were done in the same location.

    A MyTouch 3G was used for the T-mobile test and although latency was good, throughput was not.

    Off-peak in Brooklyn, with T-mobile I would get 400-600KB/s, 300KB/s on AT&T, and about 200KB/s with Sprint (3G) and over 1000KB/s with WiMAX.

    “New York City” is a relatively large place when it comes to cellular coverage and varies highly depending on location and network load.

  • taylor wright

    The extra $10 is not for 4g. It is for all the apps and stuff you are getting with it.

  • Freak4Dell

    If you seriously believed Sprint when they told you that, I feel sorry for you.

  • 1st of all Sprint is nothing compared to T-Mobile, with there so called unlimited plan. Unlimited plan for me is being able to have unlimited calling, unlimited Text/Pic messages, unlimited data(internet,email), unlimited Tethering. Now thats truly unlimited right there. Sucks that Sprint only offering unlimited calling, text and picture messaging, because we all know i cost extra for to have your mobile device to tether and only limits you to 5GB and will get charged for overage. And yes if you wanna use your phone as a Mobile HotSpot its gonna cost you $29.99 with Sprint, with T-Mobile you get it for free, which I currently use on my MyTouch 4G. Thats the reason why you see all these Sprint commercials of them talking about there unlimited plan which they only seem to compare themselves with Verizon and AT&T, I wonder why? The answer to that question is, because in to have truly unlimited everything with wifi HotSpot/tethering oh yea don’t forget the $10 for 4G Service which its gonna really cost you over 140.00 before taxes and thats not even with equipment protection (insurance). I pay with T-Mobile no more then $120.00 a month which includes unlimited calls, internet, email, wifi hotspot/tethering, text, picture messaging and equipment insurance.

    • Pphil251977

      Your so far off base its funny. Az WIRELESS well said my friend, facts are facts hspa+ is NOT 4G, technically speaking its enhanced 3g nothing more and if it were 4g, then again Az wireless is correct in his statement that AT&T would be the largest 4g provider.Why do you think AT&T has not promoted the hspa+ as 4g?? And just until recently hasn’t made any claims of 4g technology?? Because they are about to get LTE ( long term evolution)technology up and running truth be told (and most already know this)Sprint has the best plans for your money they have a very attractive smartphone lineup and if they have any competitors its not T-Mobile with their throttled data speeds(lmao) it isn’t Verizon either although a larger company their plans are outrageous.AT&T,imho would be sprint’s biggest threat and their plans are somewhat expensive in comparison

  • AZ wireless communications

    It’s no secret that TMob’s 3G network can acheive 4G (as in 4th generation) speeds but the reality is it is not a 4G technology. This is marketing hype on Tmob’s end and is a little misleading. The rest of the industry recognizes that a 4G title should indicate 4G technology (which it is not) otherwise ATT could market the same thing and suggest they have the largest 4G because they have a larger 3G network than Tmob using the same HSPA tech. There is no official 4G standard but what is being considered is that it is the next generatin of technology in either WiMax or LTE and the download speed potential be in the 100’s, in this case that’s only LTE and WiMax formats, WiMax being Sprint 4G, is actually the largest 4G network, with Verizon to follow with LTE. TMob and ATT will also go LTE but right now are so far behind with much smaller 3G networks that they are only foucused on maxing out their 3G network speeds and expanding it just to stay competitive and are claiming 4G speeds to detract from those issue. Their 3G network is not much larger than Sprints 4G network, where Sprint and Verizon have an entire 3G network nationwide backing them up and TMob and ATT have only 2G. The article suggests that the TMob 3G speed was faster than the 4G speed in NYC. This is entirely possible because download speeds are variable, 2G can do better than 4G under certain circumstances and there are a number of factors involved but that is why individual speed test alone are not a grounds for what defines 4G or what is necessarly a faster capability. T mob has a smaller customer base than the other big three and less lag in their network which can make them very reliable but not 4G without any real 4G. If it’s consistently faster in an area (which will vary) and you prefer it, thats fine but it’s not 4G. WiMax, or Sprint 4G, is not yet officially launched in NYC anyway, where the test was done. It is in trial phases and is not complete, so it’s not a fair comparison and test in the first place. If you want 4G you have to pay for a 4G handset, that will happen with TMob in a few years when they go LTE and that is what you have to buy when you want 3G instead of 2G on TMob as it is. That’s a garbage point. Also the 24 mbps network claim is great but LTE and WiMax are higher with potential maxes in the 100’s (that’s why they are 4G) which we will never see and the reality of speed is what the phone is maxed at, in this case the Sprint 4G phones are capped at 10 mbps where the T mob so called 4G devices cap at 7.2 mpbs. The $10 Sprint charge still has their plans as the best value in the industry so that doesn’t matter when you look at the bottomline and what you pay for is real unlimited data for 3G and 4G with no hidden caps or throttling that all the others do, as well as the premium functions and capabilities of the leading devices on the market that use more data on a regular basis, which includes free wired tethering that TMob dropped, dual camera video chat, 10 mpbs capable, direct streaming and uploading, included Sprint nav from Navteq as well as what google nav offers and Sprint TV at no extra cost. This also included longer nights and weekends (the longest in the biz) and any mobile to mobile which no one else offers, so the $10 is another moot point and to top that they are even considering dropping it, if that happens hand down the best provider. To clarify the $30 is for wireless tethering for 8 devices. Most people I know who have only 3G in their area still dropped their normal internet coverage, wireless cards and Ipad subscribtions, etc in favor of this. I imagine most have already done so, who have 4G and will do so when they get it. I am not knocking Tmob, it’s just that these are the facts and both TMob and this article are misleading you.

  • I just got my tmobile 4g phone and my 3g iphone gets faster speed. I’m disappointed.

  • JTORTIZ JO

    I’M GLAD I SWITCH TO SPRINT A YEAR AGO, NOW I HAVE THE #1 PHONE’ THE HTC EVO. I PAY 80$ EVERYTHING DATA, THATS HOW MUCH I WAS PAYING WITH T-MOBILE” BASIC INT. NO YOUTUBE,DROP CALLS,ECT. ALOT OF MY FRIENDS & FAMILY HAVE SPRINT, AND DON’T COMPLAIN. SO YEA” T-MOBILE SUCKS” THERE WAY BEHIND THE REST.

    • Tysonwarizke

      Not TRUE BY FAR!! I LEFT SPRINT OWNED THE EVO & GOT THE GALAXY S 4G AWESOME PHONE NO PROBLEMS AND ALOT BETTER & FASTER THEN THE EVO HANDS DOWN!! ONLY THING I MISS FROM THE EVO IS THE FLASH ON THE CAMERA…AND I HAVE A AVERAGE DLWNLD SPD OF 6mbps in my area & even experience up to 15 in some places top that! :-)

    • Better watch your bills with Sprint…  I went on vacation to Virginia Beach during the first week of a service month, and I had NO service- none, zero, zip- the whole time I was there.  I came home to Ohio, and my service was suspended the next day, with the claim that I’d gone over my 900-minute plan by 300 minutes, a feat that would’ve required 20 solid hours of talk time.  I demanded a printout of the calls I was supposed to have made, and was refused.  I demanded an address so I could dispute the charges, and was refused.  My ATTORNEY wrote to them, and they didn’t respond for TWO YEARS- during which time I switched carriers.  Frankly, if you’re a Sprint fan, I’m going to consider your comment a point in T-Mobile’s favor as I choose between them and Verizon.