Sprint Disses T-Mobile 4G Network Claims

T-Mobile officially kicked off their 4G marketing campaign tonight with the introduction of a video that took a shot across the bow of AT&T.  While we’re certain to hear an AT&T response in the next day or two, Sprint certainly took the opportunity to take a shot at T-Mobile even before the commercial ran.

Sprint 4G President Matt Carter responded to T-Mobile’s claims by saying:

“Halloween is over–it’s time for T-Mobile to stop dressing up like their favorite super hero–Sprint 4G.”

That’s all well and nice, President Carter, but around these parts we recognize that what really counts is cold hard facts.  You can take all the cheap shots you want but the proof is in the pudding as they say.  Recently, I tested out both the EVO 4G and Epic 4G, Sprint’s so-called, “4G” enabled handsets, and the first thing I tested was data speeds.  On average, I would get around 2.3Mbps (Downlink) in New York City on Sprint’s 4G (WiMAX) network and around 5Mbps (Downlink) on T-Mobile’s 4G (HSPA+) network.  But, unlike Sprint’s 4G network which requires a 4G handset to take advantage of the network, T-Mobile’s 4G network is backward compatible, meaning non-HSPA+ handsets will also benefit and receive a speed increase.  Furthermore, T-Mobile’s 4G network has a max download rate of 21Mbps with plans to upgrade to 42Mbps beginning next year, compared to Sprint’s 4G network which has a max of 10Mbps download speeds.  Lastly, in addition to being forced to purchase a 4G- enabled handset to take advantage of Sprint’s “4G” network, Sprint also charges customers who want to use 4G data speeds $10  extra each month.  T-Mobile does not charge anything extra to use its 4G network.

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  • StarTech

    Go here http://www.mobileunderground.info/showthread.php?t=704&page=1 down to post # 2 and see a HD2 playing a Slingbox video getting speeds over 700 Kbps on T-Mobile’s 3G network. Why I cannot get the same kind of speed on my new MyTouch 4G playing Slingbox TV.

  • Bill

    Let’s do math; networks get faster & faster AND data packages get smaller and smaller.

  • Stephen

    Even with the $10 fee Sprint is still a better value…
    Consider for $79.99(everything data 450 plan +$10 fee) you get unlimited calling to anymobile phone, unlimited text, unlimited data(no caps or bandwidth throttling), Free Sprint Navigation, free Sprint TV, yearly upgrades after 3 months on plan, and 450 roaming and landline minutes, nights start at 7pm)
    On T-Mobile the same $79.99 gets you 500 minutes, unlimited N&W starting at 9pm, unlmited text, and data that is throttled after 5gb.

    I’m only doing contract plans since the phone is cheaper up front…

  • Gabriel

    My tmobile plan has 4 lines, 2 with data, text, talk and 2 with text and talk for 109.99 -750 minutes. But on an individual plan you don’t have to pay 79.99 you can also opt out for 59.99 no contract. I don’t think sprint can match that. And if you want unlimited minutes than pay 79.99 unlimited everything except for data but I’ve not come close to 5gb. I range near 1gb. I don’t have a need to tether. how much extra does sprint’s tethering plan cost you?

    • http://www.facebook.com/MatthewSki Matthew Kalinowski

      dropped calls on t-mo isn’t that bad the only time i dropped a call with t-mo was on 25 A in oyster bay and muttontown and that is every carrier because town laws wont let any company build cell towers its the worst dead zone on long island greedy rich ppl!!!!!!!! towers aren’t that ugly and u can make them look like trees

    • Kingwooly1

      I tether for free- root your phone noob

  • Jeff

    I recently switched from T-Mo to Sprint and I couldn’t be happier. T-Mo’s 3G network is pathetic, the number of dropped calls I used to get were my main reason for making the switch and I chose Sprint because they offered me a 30 day trial period with a phone of my choice and service. After 30 days I can report back that there wasn’t a single day that I regretted porting over my number to Sprint. I pay $80/month for unlimited use of everything. I tested Sprint’s 4G in Las Vegas with speeds consistantly around 4 to 8 mbs, surprisingly the phone worked pretty well in the major hotels. Now I am waiting for San Fransisco to light up with 4G next month. I just hope my experiences are equally positive when this happens since I live in Marin County.

  • GABRIEL

    CHICAGO — 4G World — Everyone knows that AT&T Inc. (NYSE: T) is planning to move to Long Term Evolution (LTE) next year, but is the operator also planning a further upgrade of its 3G network in 2011?

    In his keynote here on Tuesday, David Haight, VP of business development at AT&T’s Emerging Devices Organization, said that if users roam off LTE, they would go to faster 3G in 2011. “The good news is that you’re going to fall back to HSPA+, so you’re falling back to 21 megabits, not 7.2 or 3.6,” Haight told the crowd. (See 4G World: AT&T Learns Lessons From iPad.)

    So far, AT&T has only said that it will deploy the earlier 14.4Mbit/s upgrade by the end of this year – 2010, revealing nothing about a 21Mbit/s upgrade in 2011. So we asked AT&T what the official word on this was.

    “HSPA+ technology has a theoretical maximum speed of 21Mbps,” a spokeswoman said, in an email reply to questions. “WE HAVE NOT BEGUN DEPLOYING THE TECHNOLOGY AT THIS TIME”,she said that only this October – then now magically they have 21 hspa+???(See AT&T Plots Widescale HSPA+ Rollout .)

    Nonetheless, if AT&T is interested in keeping up with GSM rival T-Mobile then HSPA+ is a logical progression. T-Mobile is currently rolling out a 21Mbit/s upgrade for 100 cities by year’s end; it currently has the speed boost running in 75 cities in the US.

    The average download speeds offered on 21Mbit/s HSPA+ are in the 5 to 8 Mbit/s range. (See T-Mobile’s HSPA+ Rivals Clearwire, US LTE Speeds.)When we are in Austin,Texas for ANDROID FESTIVAL, TMobile executives said that 42Mbps hspa+ will be available by last week of January or 1st week of February-2011 then AT&T will start to deploy 21Mbps hspa+…

    I called a friend who is engineer in AT&T MOBILITY unit & he said to me that THEY STILL USE THE 7.2Mbps & 14.4Mbps HSPA, NOT YET THE 21 HSPA+(maybe next year around February-2011,he said)

    BEST LIAR OF ALL TIME – AT&T…

  • Rat

    Sorry folks but until T-Mo gets its act together and actually gives service where it says it does, the war will go on. I LOVE TMo but HATE the lack of signal I get. I cannot see paying for the service OR the 4G phone price for no service.

    TMo needs to get MOVING on this. Once they do, I’ll be back. I’m but one fish in the sea, but I’m not the only one complaining…..

  • Gabriel

    CHICAGO — 4G World — Everyone knows that AT&T Inc. (NYSE: T) is planning to move to Long Term Evolution (LTE) next year, but is the operator also planning a further upgrade of its 3G network in 2011?

    In his keynote here on Tuesday, David Haight, VP of business development at AT&T’s Emerging Devices Organization, said that if users roam off LTE, they would go to faster 3G in 2011. “The good news is that you’re going to fall back to HSPA+, so you’re falling back to 21 megabits, not 7.2 or 3.6,” Haight told the crowd. (See 4G World: AT&T Learns Lessons From iPad.)

    So far, AT&T has only said that it will deploy the earlier 14.4Mbit/s upgrade by the end of this year – 2010, revealing nothing about a 21Mbit/s upgrade in 2011. So we asked AT&T what the official word on this was.

    “HSPA+ technology has a theoretical maximum speed of 21Mbps,” a spokeswoman said, in an email reply to questions. “WE HAVE NOT BEGUN DEPLOYING THE TECHNOLOGY AT THIS TIME”,she said that only this October – then now magically they have 21 hspa+???(See AT&T Plots Widescale HSPA+ Rollout .)

    Nonetheless, if AT&T is interested in keeping up with GSM rival T-Mobile then HSPA+ is a logical progression. T-Mobile is currently rolling out a 21Mbit/s upgrade for 100 cities by year’s end; it currently has the speed boost running in 75 cities in the US.

    The average download speeds offered on 21Mbit/s HSPA+ are in the 5 to 8 Mbit/s range. (See T-Mobile’s HSPA+ Rivals Clearwire, US LTE Speeds.)
    When we are in Austin,Texas for ANDROID FESTIVAL, TMobile executives said that 42Mbps hspa+ will be available by last week of January or 1st week of February-2011 then AT&T will start to deploy 21Mbps hspa+…

    I called a friend who is engineer in AT&T MOBILITY unit & he said to me that THEY STILL USE THE 7.2Mbps & 14.4Mbps HSPA, NOT YET THE 21 HSPA+(maybe next year around February-2011,he said)

    BEST LIAR OF ALL TIME – AT&T…

  • http://www.magicbluesmoke.org/ longcat

    I’d like to first comment about old phones being able to take advantage of HSPA+. There is some truth and some lies here.

    If there are more people using the higher order codings (with new handsets that supports 14.4HSDPA) that may free up allocation for slower devices and will make their experience better. But they will be limited to the phone hardware and still requires an upgrade for faster speeds and to reduce the general network load. This advantage is not so definite.

    My MyTouch 3G results below highlight this neglegible advantage.

    And the network changes that HSPA+ allows (where each tower acts as a local internet gateway instead of aggregating the data to a central location like UMTS and GSM) the old handsets will get better (lower) latency regardless of what phones other mobile customers are using. This is a definite advantage to all handsets.

    If you’d like to sling around numbers, I have my own experience to sling around too.

    With T-mobile in the financial district of manhattan on the 15th floor of a building, I was getting about 40-70KB/s during peak hours. Compare that to 200-300KB/s with AT&T (after 850MHz rollout), 300KB/s with Verizon and 40KB/s with Sprint (on 3G), and 500-800KB/s on WiMAX.

    All these tests were done with good signal according to the bars on my phone, although the AT&T test was the oldest, followed by T-mobile (after HSPA+ rollout), and then Sprint and Verizon tests being recent and simultaneous, and all were done in the same location.

    A MyTouch 3G was used for the T-mobile test and although latency was good, throughput was not.

    Off-peak in Brooklyn, with T-mobile I would get 400-600KB/s, 300KB/s on AT&T, and about 200KB/s with Sprint (3G) and over 1000KB/s with WiMAX.

    “New York City” is a relatively large place when it comes to cellular coverage and varies highly depending on location and network load.

  • taylor wright

    The extra $10 is not for 4g. It is for all the apps and stuff you are getting with it.

  • Freak4Dell

    If you seriously believed Sprint when they told you that, I feel sorry for you.

  • http://twitter.com/Infamous_Chucc Chucc

    1st of all Sprint is nothing compared to T-Mobile, with there so called unlimited plan. Unlimited plan for me is being able to have unlimited calling, unlimited Text/Pic messages, unlimited data(internet,email), unlimited Tethering. Now thats truly unlimited right there. Sucks that Sprint only offering unlimited calling, text and picture messaging, because we all know i cost extra for to have your mobile device to tether and only limits you to 5GB and will get charged for overage. And yes if you wanna use your phone as a Mobile HotSpot its gonna cost you $29.99 with Sprint, with T-Mobile you get it for free, which I currently use on my MyTouch 4G. Thats the reason why you see all these Sprint commercials of them talking about there unlimited plan which they only seem to compare themselves with Verizon and AT&T, I wonder why? The answer to that question is, because in to have truly unlimited everything with wifi HotSpot/tethering oh yea don’t forget the $10 for 4G Service which its gonna really cost you over 140.00 before taxes and thats not even with equipment protection (insurance). I pay with T-Mobile no more then $120.00 a month which includes unlimited calls, internet, email, wifi hotspot/tethering, text, picture messaging and equipment insurance.

    • Pphil251977

      Your so far off base its funny. Az WIRELESS well said my friend, facts are facts hspa+ is NOT 4G, technically speaking its enhanced 3g nothing more and if it were 4g, then again Az wireless is correct in his statement that AT&T would be the largest 4g provider.Why do you think AT&T has not promoted the hspa+ as 4g?? And just until recently hasn’t made any claims of 4g technology?? Because they are about to get LTE ( long term evolution)technology up and running truth be told (and most already know this)Sprint has the best plans for your money they have a very attractive smartphone lineup and if they have any competitors its not T-Mobile with their throttled data speeds(lmao) it isn’t Verizon either although a larger company their plans are outrageous.AT&T,imho would be sprint’s biggest threat and their plans are somewhat expensive in comparison

  • AZ wireless communications

    It’s no secret that TMob’s 3G network can acheive 4G (as in 4th generation) speeds but the reality is it is not a 4G technology. This is marketing hype on Tmob’s end and is a little misleading. The rest of the industry recognizes that a 4G title should indicate 4G technology (which it is not) otherwise ATT could market the same thing and suggest they have the largest 4G because they have a larger 3G network than Tmob using the same HSPA tech. There is no official 4G standard but what is being considered is that it is the next generatin of technology in either WiMax or LTE and the download speed potential be in the 100′s, in this case that’s only LTE and WiMax formats, WiMax being Sprint 4G, is actually the largest 4G network, with Verizon to follow with LTE. TMob and ATT will also go LTE but right now are so far behind with much smaller 3G networks that they are only foucused on maxing out their 3G network speeds and expanding it just to stay competitive and are claiming 4G speeds to detract from those issue. Their 3G network is not much larger than Sprints 4G network, where Sprint and Verizon have an entire 3G network nationwide backing them up and TMob and ATT have only 2G. The article suggests that the TMob 3G speed was faster than the 4G speed in NYC. This is entirely possible because download speeds are variable, 2G can do better than 4G under certain circumstances and there are a number of factors involved but that is why individual speed test alone are not a grounds for what defines 4G or what is necessarly a faster capability. T mob has a smaller customer base than the other big three and less lag in their network which can make them very reliable but not 4G without any real 4G. If it’s consistently faster in an area (which will vary) and you prefer it, thats fine but it’s not 4G. WiMax, or Sprint 4G, is not yet officially launched in NYC anyway, where the test was done. It is in trial phases and is not complete, so it’s not a fair comparison and test in the first place. If you want 4G you have to pay for a 4G handset, that will happen with TMob in a few years when they go LTE and that is what you have to buy when you want 3G instead of 2G on TMob as it is. That’s a garbage point. Also the 24 mbps network claim is great but LTE and WiMax are higher with potential maxes in the 100′s (that’s why they are 4G) which we will never see and the reality of speed is what the phone is maxed at, in this case the Sprint 4G phones are capped at 10 mbps where the T mob so called 4G devices cap at 7.2 mpbs. The $10 Sprint charge still has their plans as the best value in the industry so that doesn’t matter when you look at the bottomline and what you pay for is real unlimited data for 3G and 4G with no hidden caps or throttling that all the others do, as well as the premium functions and capabilities of the leading devices on the market that use more data on a regular basis, which includes free wired tethering that TMob dropped, dual camera video chat, 10 mpbs capable, direct streaming and uploading, included Sprint nav from Navteq as well as what google nav offers and Sprint TV at no extra cost. This also included longer nights and weekends (the longest in the biz) and any mobile to mobile which no one else offers, so the $10 is another moot point and to top that they are even considering dropping it, if that happens hand down the best provider. To clarify the $30 is for wireless tethering for 8 devices. Most people I know who have only 3G in their area still dropped their normal internet coverage, wireless cards and Ipad subscribtions, etc in favor of this. I imagine most have already done so, who have 4G and will do so when they get it. I am not knocking Tmob, it’s just that these are the facts and both TMob and this article are misleading you.

  • http://twitter.com/JohnPaulGarland JohnPaulGarland

    I just got my tmobile 4g phone and my 3g iphone gets faster speed. I’m disappointed.

  • JTORTIZ JO

    I’M GLAD I SWITCH TO SPRINT A YEAR AGO, NOW I HAVE THE #1 PHONE’ THE HTC EVO. I PAY 80$ EVERYTHING DATA, THATS HOW MUCH I WAS PAYING WITH T-MOBILE” BASIC INT. NO YOUTUBE,DROP CALLS,ECT. ALOT OF MY FRIENDS & FAMILY HAVE SPRINT, AND DON’T COMPLAIN. SO YEA” T-MOBILE SUCKS” THERE WAY BEHIND THE REST.

    • Tysonwarizke

      Not TRUE BY FAR!! I LEFT SPRINT OWNED THE EVO & GOT THE GALAXY S 4G AWESOME PHONE NO PROBLEMS AND ALOT BETTER & FASTER THEN THE EVO HANDS DOWN!! ONLY THING I MISS FROM THE EVO IS THE FLASH ON THE CAMERA…AND I HAVE A AVERAGE DLWNLD SPD OF 6mbps in my area & even experience up to 15 in some places top that! :-)

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VP6EWKQR4AGOYCYXKKHVGVT3U4 Jess

      Better watch your bills with Sprint…  I went on vacation to Virginia Beach during the first week of a service month, and I had NO service- none, zero, zip- the whole time I was there.  I came home to Ohio, and my service was suspended the next day, with the claim that I’d gone over my 900-minute plan by 300 minutes, a feat that would’ve required 20 solid hours of talk time.  I demanded a printout of the calls I was supposed to have made, and was refused.  I demanded an address so I could dispute the charges, and was refused.  My ATTORNEY wrote to them, and they didn’t respond for TWO YEARS- during which time I switched carriers.  Frankly, if you’re a Sprint fan, I’m going to consider your comment a point in T-Mobile’s favor as I choose between them and Verizon.