Some Key Points Regarding Project Dark


With all the information pertaining to Project Dark that is leaking, lingering questions remain. We are still days away from the official T-Mobile announcement, but one of our great readers was kind enough to ensure some key points still come across. If more questions are out there, pass them along and I’ll see what I can do about getting them answered.

Even More:
Discounted Handset Upfront

Even More Plus:
No Contract
Lowest Rates
No discount on handset
Retail Price of phone may be paid in 20 installments

-With the Even More Plus (no contract) there is no subsidized price on the phone, but customers will be offered to purchase the phone at retail price and pay for it in 20 installments, and yes, Equipment credit lines will be very high and reasonable for Even More Plus customers.

-After October 25th when these plans launch, all existing plans will become grandfathered are no longer available. Yes, MyFaves is gone. All customers with the grandfathered contracted plans will be able to switch to an Even More plan (contract) without an extension of their existing contract or an extra fee.

-The times where an extra fee is incurred include:
Switching from Even More to Even More plus will require paying a $200 termination fee, so us reps have been told repeatedly to make sure we help customers pick the right plan for them before activating.
Switching from a grandfathered plan to Even More Plus will require a $35 fee per line. On Family plans there is no fee for lines 3-5, so the most you’d have to pay is $70. Once on the Even More Plus, you must still carry out the rest of your contract, but you will never be able to switch to Even More and will never again get a subsidized price on a phone. The reason why someone might want to do this in the first place is because the Even More Plus plans are going to be slightly cheaper than Even More.

-There is no way to switch from Even More Plus to Even More without canceling all together and getting a new phone number

-To re-emphasize: Customers with existing plans will be grandfathered, yet with such low price offerings, will you want to keep them?


  • RC

    I would consider switching to Even More Plus, since I buy my phones unlocked anyway. I would hope to keep my Total Internet add-on, since the TOS on that plan is much better than today’s “unlimited” plans…

  • watbetch

    I find it interesting that they offer no-contract phone subsidization (basically financing it). This of course would need to be subject to a credit check right?

  • Michael Houghton

    I’ll pay the fee. Count me in.

  • D

    I don’t see why they would not allow people to switch from Even More Plus to Even More. Is there just something about it that I’m not getting? So if you switch to Even More Plus, then lets say two years later you want to switch to Even More (and sign a contract) to get a new phone at a discount, is this not possible? Can someone explain?

  • Felicia

    So if you renew a contract after Oct 25, you won’t have myFaves?

  • dan

    I work at sams club for radioshack and we just droped tmobile for verzion I bet my company wish they would have waited cause we haven’t sold one verzion phone since we switched at my location its been 2 weeks lol we sold 15 to 20 tmobile a week, awesome choice lol

  • lava

    My current plan is a family MyFaves 600 plan with both lines having unl. text & data for $99 a month. Do you think these Even More plans will beat that?

  • ali

    The ‘even more plus’ option of financing the phone is unnecessary. If you want a cheap handset, contract. If you want no contract, use your credit card or pay cash. Why does t-mobile think that the installment plan is going to work ? They are going to be left with millions lost on phones that will not be paid for and adding to the already large collection agency headaches that plague all large businesses. And based on whats already been circulated, these new plans are all hype anyways.

  • Matthew

    I don’t understand. I can see why they wouldn’t ;et people switch from Even More to Even More Plus without having to pay a terminatino fee, but why should the reverse not be possible? I would think someone going from no contract to a 2 year contract would be more of a goal. And I am curious about the new plans as well, what is going to happen to myFaves? I currently have The Loyalty Unlimted plan with the $35 Data plan, is there going to be something better for me to switch to?

  • Matthew

    And whatever happened to T-Mobile buying Sprint or having some kind of roaming agreement with MetroPCS and all that news about Clearwire (whatever they are call), and them switching from WiMAX to LTE?

  • So this is project black that is supposed to propel T-Mobile to 3rd place? Sounds underwhelming. There’s got to be something we don’t know that really drives the deal home. Come on unannounced uber-Android phone.

  • Alex

    So, if you were about to enter another new contract, you should wait a few days ?

    I was going to get a new phone because the sidekick issues, but would you just suggest waiting ?

    They told me that data plans are an additional 35$ a month now, and I only pay 20$ now, will it be cheaper with this plan or am I just dreaming ?

  • Matthew

    I agree with all… I haven’t seen anything substantial about these plans. Nothing mentioned about a reduced unlimited plan! I really don’t see what the big deal is as of yet anyway. Maybe I am missing something, but an installment plan doesn’t seem like a homerun hit to me. All (as far as plans are concerned) that is needed is a really nifty unlimited plan, coupled with a family plan that makes sense and will attract costomers from MetroPCS and other cheaper wireless companies.

  • Mark

    I must be missing something. These plans don’t look like a big change. The idea of paying full retail for a phone without contract is already a option. My main concern will be the retail price? They can always just raise the retail to whatever they want to force people onto the contract pricing. I guess I will wait for the complete package.

  • Matthew

    Lets hope it isnt a dream Alex! But I havent seen anything to support anything cheaper.

  • Matthew

    Yeah, I would say our speculation is still a bit premature. We need to wait for more concrete information…

  • watbetch

    Of course there will be unlimited plans for cheaper, DUH people.

  • Matthew

    I did see something about an unlimited plan for $50 that had talk and text, but didnt include data, so that wouldnt help me becasue I would still have to get a seperate data plan… But I suppose $50 talk/text plus $25 data beats $50 talk plus $35 date/text…

    And I know this is a bit off topic but does anyone know anything about when/if T-Mobile is going to have their upgrade to WM 6.5 availible for the Touch Pro2?

  • the observer

    Can tmobile make this anymore confusing. Guess even more plan is more suited for me then. Sucks how u cant switch between the plans without any hassle

  • rubi76

    The big deal is the Plus plan:

    -cheaper rates than regular plan
    -no contract
    -ability to subsidize the phone

    The third one is key because smartphones will be sold at even $ 500 (scary number to be paid upfront) – so instead of paying $ 200 right away for it and sign up for 2 years- you can pay over time.
    If you do the math for a smartphone sold at 500 you would pay $ 21 over 24 months, as opposed to 200 on the spot and a higher plan rate. $ 500 – 200 = 300 you would be paying over 2 years, or $ 12.5 per month. This means if the monthly difference between the two plans (per line) is over 12.5 you might as well go with the PLUS plan, as you would have lower costs per month. Also, you wouldn’t have a contract.
    Am I doing this right?

  • rossi

    umm, you pay full retail in exchange for cheaper monthly service rates… DO the math to figure out if you save money or not. You’ll be able to see the subsidized price of whatever device your looking at and see if it justifies paying the more expensive monthly rates.

    And no one knows prices now anyway, so I don’t know why people are writing this off already.

  • Matthew

    I agree with the observer.
    Okay, this should be my final statement, I know I have been saying a lot.
    But I think the unlimited plan should be $50 all inclusive; and thats talk, text and data! Now thats a game changer!

  • paul

    I now pay $ 162 a month on a family plan with 5 lines, are you saying that under this new plan I would only pay $ 70 a month? That’s huge..does that include unlimited everything? If not does anyone know what the cost a month that would be for all 5 lines with unlimited everything plan? It sounds like I’m going to save some serious coin.

  • Anthony

    The new plans is a good move for T-Mobile, but in order to really get ahead they need to be up to par with the other major wireless carriers. AT&T I hear has bad customer service, more expensive than T-Mobile, yet offers a wide array of better, high quality handsets. T-Mobile is cheaper, excellent customer service, yet poor choice of phones. I preordered the Motorola Cliq today because the other handsets offered just don’t do it for me. I am coming from an unlocked iPhone so I hope I am making a good move here… If, and when the N900 comes out… that will be my next choice depending on price and such. Of course, I extended my 2 year contract for the best pricing so now I have to pay retail on all handsets that are coming up! Grrrr haha

  • Matthew

    I think you have it wrong Paul. I am not exactly sure about the pricing, but I dont think that is what it will be.

  • rubi76

    If you guys could please stop asking questions about if it would be worth to switch or not… we dont have the
    definite answer cuz we dont have prices off!
    One thing for sure, if they are taking even my faves off its because the unlimited plan would be cheaper than any of the current my faves…
    So stop bashing this move until we actually see the pricing structure!
    I bet no one will stay on their grandfathered plans because there will be no reason to stay! Have faith in tmo !

  • paul

    I figured that I was off base(wishful thinking)this is the problem with piece meal info, you really can’t get a good handle on how it will affect you. I’m a T-Mobile guy,I like the phones, I like the service, so I’m in it for the long haul. If I can save some coin, upgrade my phone(HD2 Android,,some day) I’ll be happy…Hey I’m paying $ 162.00 a month now…so it’s going to be a win,win for me…

  • Pedro

    Ugh, if this is true then I’m gonna have to talk to someone, it’s so damn confusing!!!

  • Pat

    I’m with Paul–I can’t seem to get a handle on all the Project dark stuff, but I and my family like T-Mobile, like the customer service, and the phones.We’re in it for the duration. Used to be with VW and was treated very badly so found a home with T-mobile. I’m paying right now over 200 bucks for 2 smart phones, two not so smart phones and a home line. Whatever this is going to be I’m in it and we will save money. This will probably allow me to get a smarter phone(LOL). That’s my story and I’m stickin to it.

  • edd

    just want to say…even more and even more plus are very confusing names…

  • hi!

    Damn, this looks awful. Terrible…..frustrating.

    First, it’s beyond confusing. With Sprint you can call ANY mobile and get unlimited text/data for $70. That makes sense…people like that. This TMobile jibberish makes literally no sense and if they think it’s going to move them into third place it’s laughable.

    Second, Getting rid of myfaves will probably prove to be the worst idea in TMo history. It’s got them a ton of press and customers so now they’re doing away with it? What chimpazee runs this place? Like I’ve said from the start, if it’s not $50 for unlimited talk/text/data then this is a flop for the ages.

    Third, you can already buy phones for full retail price THIS SECOND. This isn’t new, this isn’t even news. How they’re trying to market this is beyond me. It’s an option now and has been for a while.

    Please TMobile, don’t force me out. iPhone’s are 99 bucks ($49 refurbished). I can have essentially unlimited everything on Sprint for $70 (not to mention use an awesome Hero or Pre at those prices). Freakin Verizon is getting the Droid which looks beyond awesome and will completely and totally steal all our Android Thunder. Offer me something…anything. I’m starting to think everyone on TMobile should get a $100 gift card and not just the people who lost Sidekick data, haha.

  • hi!

    Oh! I forgot to mention that if/when I “upgrade” to a new even more plus (confusing name!!!!) I’ll be charged $35. That is, of course, on top of the $35 I’ll probably have to pay to activate a new phone. So, these, “awesome” (god awful) new plans will cost me $70 on the spot just to “take advantage of”. Maybe it’s better if Sprint just buys us out now?

  • will current customers be able to switch to these plans???

  • Touch pro2 user

    What about TV service???

  • timmyjoe42

    No more my faves? That’s weird. What if I want to add a line in the future.
    What about mobile to mobile?

  • artiepants

    while i think most of this is really great (i’d rather get a better rate and just buy the phone outright), these $35 “activation fees” seem like total bullcrap to me. i thought the $18 activation fee was pushing the boundaries of “something for nothing” on the carrier side, almost double that is a hard pill to swallow.

  • paul

    Who wants to get more depressed….Theres a Blog out there stating that Nokias N900 is NOT coming to T-Mobile after all…can you believe that..If this is true,,this project dark/black is indeed looking more and more dark..heres the link if you can handle

  • Jeff

    How do these changes affect family plans? I haven’t heard any mention of family plans in all the Project Dark talk. I hope they have something in line for low-usage customers. My parents use very few minutes so these ‘unlimited’ plans are very underwhelming for me.

  • Steven

    I think I understand what’s going on here. Instead of having people with 1000 minute plans or 600 minute plans, it’s all going to be two plans. Either you have Even More, which is unlimited minutes, texts, and data (optional on the last two) under contract, or you have the Even More Plus, which is like the flex-pay plans that people have now.

  • braveXheart

    are data plans still required for certain phones cliq, g1, my touch etc…? I want the Cliq so bad because of the sexy looking keyboard but the data plan is just way to much money a month.

  • Steven

    This will all be so much less confusing when prices for the plans come out.

  • deangelo724

    So will Even More Plus be available to FlexPay customers? I’m so confused!!

  • sprinter

    bummer about N900….TMO today give the handsets for christmas and it is lame!

    Has T Mobile ever even confirmed project dark, and if so have they said they will tell us all on Oct 25th? I wonder if we will even know then. For now it is sounding more gimmick then revolution, but that all will depend on the pricing. The problem is with all this hype, no matter what comes out we are going to be disappointed. We had it up to getting a new 4G iphone with unlimited everything for 50 bucks a month!! That was just silly…and now when we get the real news we will be disappointed.

  • FILA

    This is so stupid, so confusing, nice way to fuck up people T. This is not the way to get more sales. You want sales? 50 or $60 unlimited plan, thats cheaper then Sprint. $60 for unlimited everything, simple as that, then youd have ability to flex pay like you have now but the ability without having to have credits. We need wayyy more details to really see whats goin on. We have no idea whats goin on with myFavs, data, plan prices or anything. All confusing to me

  • I have been with T-Mobile since it was Voicestream…and this Project Dark/Black kind of sucks…

    And like other people have said, what’s up with the Family Plans? Is there a Family Plan and Extended Family Plan or something like that anywhere?

  • Steven


    I imagine the family plans will have a Even More plan of their own. Or each line might be on an Even More Plan. Time will tell!

  • rubi76

    Alt-mobile and Jeff
    of course there are family plans, if you would just chill down and wait a couple of days you would get them. They are already mentioned though.
    Fila and Timmyjoe:
    I can see you are very optimistic as well. Guess what? you won’t need myfav anymore because the unlimited everything will be cheaper than what you are paying now for myfav.
    If you were waiting for an Iphone 4g with a $50 unlimited plan and for anything else you would be disappointed, you should switch to another carrier (let me know which one, as no one will ever offer that)

    Please cheer up as the plans will be amazing!
    We need more details to know whats going on but you guys should cheer up and wait for the official news with a smile…

  • Bigg

    So from what I understand, if I have 4 fam plan right now, and I switch to even more plus, I have to pay 70 bucks in fees. Ok got that part, but now, how much is unlimited talk,text and web gonna cost?

  • rossi


    Some of these people need to chill out, and wait until the full release of information is made. At this time of course the plans are confusing because all of the information is not available, most importantly the pricing!

    So, People, Chill out, wait for the official release or a more complete leak… until then don’t hesitate to speculate. Really though, the crying is not necessary…. yet.

  • NiiDiddy

    Here are the issues I see with some of the up-coming changes:

    1) If the unlimited individual “even more” plan with unlimited talk/txt/data doesnt hover around the $50 – $60 range, T-Mobile fails to Sprint and retains 4th place.

    2) Likewise if the family 1500 talk plan with unlimited txt/data doesnt hover around $99 – $120 (2 phones) range, T-Mobile fails to Sprint and retains 4place.

    3) Again, if the unlimited family “even more” plan with unlimited talk/txt/data doesnt hover around the $150 – $170 range, T-Mobile fails to Sprint and retains 4th place.

    ** Also keep in mind Sprint’s plans include TV. I was looking at Sprints Any Mobile Anytime plans to compare…extraordinary!!!

    4) I am not interested in the “even more plus” plans because that COULD also be the down fall of T-Mobile…unless they know something we don’t know. As easy as it is for T-Mobile to put customers on a no contract plan with a cool phone with payments spread over 20-months…it’s with the same ease people with and “even more plus” plans may leave T-Mobile (since they have no contract) and not pay on the phone…thus creating a bad debt for the company and losses passed on to 2-yr subscribers. People break contracts without paying the fee…what makes T-Mobile think people wont walk away from a no contact plan with a basically “free” phone if they decide not to pay for it?!?!?!? T-Mobile must know something we don’t know here…hence the patience for Oct 25 to roll by.

    5) MyFaves…Stupid of them to do away with MyFaves! Nuff said…go figure!!! Stick with something that worked is my motto. It almost like telling GEICO to get rid of the gecko or its cavemen…

    I believe #1 through #3 will be met by Magenta. But I still await Oct 25. I hope they prove all of us wrong and come up with extraordinary plans/phones///etc.

    I love T-Mobile so much…I am in for the long haul…heck I have been here since back in the day. SO I AM HOPING FOR THE BEST!!! I only want the best for the company…I want to see them march systematically on up…

  • Alex

    There has to be something else, this just doesn’t sound like something “game changing.”
    Making people pay to switch their “outdated” services seems stupid, it’s not there fault. Also what makes it so important to not be able to switch from Plus to Normal?

    Dragon announcement please!

  • Andrew

    For those of you talking about the holiday offerings listed at other sites, they have been listed before here, about 2 weeks ago:

    on that note, the N900 still has no launch on tmobile confirmation, but 2 N series phones are coming.

  • NiiDiddy

    Dont get me wrong…I was excited to see what they have in store for us…
    But the more I thought about the plans, the less enthusiastic I got. But we’ll see…regardless the industry needed some sort of, kind of shake up…if it exists in Project Dark…we live to see!!

  • Dude

    This is hilarious! The change is very, very simple yet people are all up in arms about it. Will there be family plans? Yes. Will there be MyFaves? No. Will people save money by switching to the new plans? ABSOLUTELY

    The only reason you are confused is because you are going off of speculated information that is not complete.

    The bottom line to this change will be that TMob is going to all unlimited. No MyFaves, nights/weekends, etc. because they won’t matter! The days of limits, buckets, time frames, etc. are OVER! How is this a bad thing?

    Once folks see the pricing for unlimited talk, talk/text, talk/text/data there will be no question why this change is being made. You may not be excited now, but you will be. If you aren’t excited on the 25th…so help you God. Go somewhere else and pay more money.

    Lastly, the $35 activation fee will not be waived in any case. This is a change that will not take into consideration how long you have been with TMob, how much you have paid, or how many phones you have purchased. The savings from your new plan will recoup the activation fees within a month or two so accept this fact and move on. TMob is rolling the dice in once sense by letting folks go the no contract route, so the $35 activation fee will be a buffer… Remember, no exceptions so don’t waste your time or energy complaining about it.

    The second part of Project Dark is the HSPA+ TMobile will quickly have 21+ megabits/second over the network, while other carriers will be stuck around 6 megabits with their imaginary 4G. The Even More plus folks will not have any throttling whatsoever! Why have internet at home when you can tether your Windows Mobile phone or Blackberry with these types of speeds? I am so stoked for this aspect of the changes! So stoked!

  • sprinter

    @rubi76, I was pointing out that an Iphone 4G for $50 unlimited was ridiculous. I was pointing out how crazy the speculation and hope had become. I don’t think anyone will see an Iphone 4G for a while..and certainly not at that price. I think 50 to 60 bucks for everything unlimited is a home run…throw in great family plans and I am there! I like unlimited because overages are so darn expensive…but if they would reduce cost of going over, I could live with the 200 minute add ons for the kids on the family plan.

  • Kevin


    I have 3 out of my 4 lines out of contract. Should I reup my contract with all new phone now? Or wait?
    I have a the 69.99 plan with 50 dollars extra for internet for 2 phones

  • ehh

    hahaha, man, u do know tmobile is tracking this site, right? they r gonna track ur IP address and ur gonna get fired….u r such an idiot

    • David

      Who are you talking to?

  • Cambria31

    To make any kind of criticism of these plans without seeing the pricing is very premature. There is a reason why T-Mobile hasn’t revealed/leaked the pricing yet. Just wait until the 25th.

  • ctk

    i don’t like any of these plans. i may go to the t-mo store and re-up for 2 years (i got the rep to give me a 1 year deal for the smartphone data only plan because he wasn’t convinced an iphone 3g could get data through t-mo. it could) because NONE of those options is a good one for me. i don’t talk on my iphone. it sucks to talk on unless i have my earbuds with a mic around and plugged in. i text occasionally and i use data all the time. this was the reason that i went to t-mobile in the first place, because at&t has no data only plan for smartphones or the iphone. it makes zero sense for me to upgrade when it looks like i would have to pay $60 or $70 to use the options i use the most and be forced to take the option i use for less than 12 minutes a month. if there would be a way for this plan to be $50 for one option, $60 for two options and $70 for all three, it would work better for most people.

  • TDogg

    This sounds like an awesome plan if i’m carrying an individual plan, but somehow I’m having my doubts with the family plan.

    I think I’m going to cling on to my $59 2 line plan with myFaves and the $5.99 TMoWeb until TMobile pries it from my cold fingers.

  • rfgenerator

    So they are killing off My-Faves, pre-emptive strike against Google Voice much?
    Currently I have the 700 minute basic family time (2 lines) w/free My Faves that I picked up earlier this year plus $19.99 Blackberry plan. I usually use about 300 to 400 minutes month. I do have Google Voice installed on my Blackberry that basically gives me unlimited outgoing calls, however to be honest I don’t really use it since I don’t make that many calls. Was just curious if I could get it to work.
    I don’t need unlimited calls and don’t want to pay for it. Although the plans are grandfathered, does this mean when I go to upgrade my phone (been looking at the 9700) I will be forced to give up my existing plan? If so I’m done, I’ll let my contract expire and port out…

  • craig

    @ Dude, I would like to call and get the free Blackberry 8900 (promotion) or the Htc Pro2 for 49.00 which you must have the internet plan for the term of the contract. My question is do it hurt for me to call and get the phone or should I wait does it matter? You can Email me at if you like

  • kershon

    I am really excited about all this. Combine the plans with the hottest top of the line phones and great customer servive and 3g rollout and it will be bye-bye Sprint as we leave u in the dust. Go T-Mo! Sick’em! On to number 1! Lookout ATT and Verizon. You are next on the radar.

  • DOUG

    I am confused about something, maybe someone can clear it up for me. Everyone talks about T-Mobile’s unique 3g frequency of 1700, but if you look on their website at the phones, none of the phones that are 3g operate on this frequency. Why is that?

  • sprinter

    Had a strange thought….what is the difference between having a 2 year contract (even more), and financing a phone for 20 months (under even more plus)? If you leave in either case you owe a pro-rated amount – in one case a pro-rated cancellation fee, in the other you still have to make the remaining payments on the phone. Only advantage I can see of even more plus besides 20 vs 24 months is if you buy a phone that costs less then the 200 buck cancellation fee. Am I missing something? There was some mention that the monthly minute charge might be lower for the plus plan, but I haven’t seen much on that.

  • Shooter


    You’re making the assumption that all people will finance the non-subsidized phone. Some will be prepared to pay for the phone up-front in cash. Others will bring an unlocked phone to use. Either way, both of those groups will simply depart T-Mo when/if they choose. For those who HAVE financed the phone, they do have to pay it off … but they’re likely leaving with a device that they really wanted, otherwise they wouldn’t have been prepared to spend the extra bucks for a non-subsidized phone.

  • just some dude

    “There is no way to switch from Even More Plus to Even More without canceling all together and getting a new phone number”

    That would be against NYS law, im sure someone will out there will file a class action suite.

  • yor PAPPI

    WOW is this what all this fuss about unlimited can i call u cricket LMFAO are u serious that’s it WTF . See i said it b4 TMO u suck ass WTH is going on what’s next ur gonna file for bankruptcy LMAO. But we gotta pay for the full price on your sorry ass phones wut a F….N joke need 2 star looking else ware TMO u really drop the axe on customers this time ur a LOSER

  • TravMobile

    So will switching to the new Even More plan qualify for a handset subsidization early? If not, will the 20 month financing be available for non-eligible phone upgrades?

    I had no idea 3G coverage was going to proliferate so quickly and I am stuck with a lovely Blackberry 8900 which does not have 3G support.

  • PD4L

    These 2 new plans for T-Mobile sound great! I can see this definitely starting a trend in the US that should have happened 2 yrs ago with the Wireless explosion back then.

    Maybe it’s me but if someone finances a smartphone with the “Even More Plus”, doesn’t that put the monthly price right there with the other price plan from “Even More”? I read the “Even More” will require a 2 yr contract. Can someone explain what the benefits would be besides being under No Contract? Which you have to pay off anyway if you want to get out of that plan?

    Myself I don’t mind contracts but if someone can answer, are the plans for “Even More” going to be slightly higher or the same as “Even More Plus”. I thought the “Even More Plus” were for those who do not want to be tied down to a contract but ALL the new plans were the same. Maybe I am mistaken but if someone can correct me, that would be helpful.

  • JBLmobileG1

    I wonder if they are still going to offer phone insurance or if that will be a thing of the past? If it isn’t being offered and you still owe money on a phone (say you lost or broke) do you still need to pay it off ? What about if you already have insurance on a phone and its no longer avaliable… will it still be honnored? I know its from a third party but I am just wondering. I’d hate to say make payments for a phone only for it to break or lose it then still have to pay on it and not be able to insure it or be able to replace it.

  • Brent


    I think the savings comes in if you pay off your phone. As it is now, once they make the money back from subsidizing your phone, you are still charged the same rate. If you buy a phone without a subsidy currently, you get the same plan as someone who is subsidized. Keeping the two things separate, you may not see significant price savings at first if you finance your phone, but you would once the separate phone payment is done.

    That is my understanding at least.

  • JBLmobileG1

    Another question…. if we get a corp. Discount now will be still continue to receive it with our grandfathered plans? Will they be avaliable with the newer plans as well…. both with and without a contract? I hope Tmobile doesn’t try to pull another fast one on me. I had the unlimited plan for $49.99 then after almost 6 months of getting a discount they told me I couldn’t get it anymore so I switched back to my old 1,000 min plan with MyFavs for $39.99 so I could get the discount. Sometimes things become so tight that saving yourself 10 a month can make a difference. Right now I pay about $64 for 1,000 mins with Myfavs the G1 data plan with the 400 messages and the 5.99 insurance plan. So unless these plans are unlimited everything for less than I pay now…. what’s the point?

  • sprinter

    Brent that is what I am hoping. I figure the subsidy is about the same as the cancellation fee – $200 bucks. so the subsidy would be 200 bucks over 24 month or $8.33 a month. If it works that the plus plan costs 8.33 less per month then the subsidized plan, it would be a great thing if you keep your phone more then 2 years. if the prices are the same you should take the subsidy and just pay a pro-rated cancellation fee if you need to get out. I can’t believe we still don’t have pricing and it is only 5 days away…they are doing a great job of keeping the lid on this one!!

  • Joey

    I have mixed feelings on this from a personal standpoint, but I think as a business model this will work very well for them. There is no way they won;t be able to lure in some Boost/Cricket/whatever the hell else with better phones. I feel like this is who this whole thing is going to cater to at first.
    Personally, I don’t think this will do much to me. I have 13 months left on my contract, so that’s a $200 fee. I have about a $75 a month bill, so if the plan was $60 a month, and I pay $200 to cancel, switching would cost me $5. Unless of course, switching from ANY grandfathered plan to the new ones costs $35, then I’d say like $155. But according the picures from Boy Genius, contract length will come into play..
    Just have to wait and see, I guess.

  • PD4L


    You have a point. I can see the difference now. Especially on new article out on how the new plans will work.

    If its $60 all unlimited, that’s GREAT!