T-Mobile launching new network technologies for faster speeds

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Turns out that a free Subway sandwich isn’t the only gift that T-Mobile is giving its customers today.

T-Mobile today announced that it’s rolling out new network technologies to increase speeds for its customers. The first is 4×4 MIMO (multiple input, multiple output), which offers double the paths for data to travel between your phone and the cell site that it’s connected to. If you’ve got a phone that supports 4×4 MIMO, you could see up to double the speeds.

As for which phones support 4×4 MIMO, T-Mo plans to update the Samsung Galaxy S7 and S7 edge with the feature later this month. Other phones are expected to gain support “soon.”

4×4 MIMO is available in 319 cities. You can check the list of locales that have 4×4 MIMO right here.

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T-Mobile is also launching 256 QAM (quadrature amplitude modulation) for downloads and 64 QAM for uploads, features which increase the number of bits delivered per transmission. When combined with 4×4 MIMO, customers could see download speeds up to 400Mbps.

Galaxy S7 and S7 edge owners will receive an update in October to enable 256 QAM and 64 QAM. Half of T-Mobile’s network supports 256 QAM and 64 QAM, with plans to have the features available across all of T-Mo’s network by the end of October.

With consumers relying on their phones for all kinds of entertainment and communication and with photo and video getting to be of such high-quality, it’s important to have fast speeds so that users don’t get frustrated waiting for their download or upload to finish. T-Mobile is responding to these needs by rolling out faster network technologies, and while you’re not going to suddenly hit 400Mbps every time you download something on your GS7, these new network features should give you increased speeds if you’ve got a supported device.

Rounding out today’s announcements is the news that T-Mobile’s LTE network now covers nearly 312 million people and that 60 percent of calls made on T-Mobile’s network are made using VoLTE (Voice over LTE).

Source: T-Mobile

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  • TheCudder

    Here we ago again….faster speeds in the same coverage areas! Yay! These speeds aren’t even necessary! 20 Mbps has been more than enough.

    • JB45

      I think every network goal is to have faster download speeds. As for necessary…they might not for you but im sure tons of other T-Mobile subscribers would love faster download speeds

      • Fabian Cortez

        Exactly.

        Faster speeds allow users to access their data faster, thus freeing up resources for others.

        This is another win-win scenario.

      • lomsha

        This

      • TheCudder

        The average home user has 20 – 50 Mbps down at home w/ multiple devices connected and never complains. So why do we need a theoretical 400 Mbps down on a single mobile device? It’s just silly. You’re not really gaining anything from it.

        • JB45

          In the home you might only have 4 or 5 devices on it with 50mbps down. So the speeds wont be that bad with that many devices on it. In a city with 50 down on one tower you could have 100 people on it. Your speeds are going to be terrible. If you have a tower with 400 down and 100 people on it you will still get good speeds. Just like TMOTECH said above. So you are actually gaining a lot.

    • Trevnerdio

      4×4 MIMO, if nothing else, should at least lower your latency a bit.

    • lomsha

      To you

    • TMOTECH

      Opening up the pipe also allows more people to have faster speeds. So it won’t slow down as much as more people are attached to the site. So you will be able to load things just as fast when you are in a highly congested area as you would sitting at home.

    • DDLAR

      TheCudder,
      You should take into account that multiple things go on simultaneously. You are correct that T-Mobile needs to increase their coverage. But, they are doing exactly that! Surely, you are not suggesting that they sit still in all other areas while they improve their coverage?

  • Yunier Cabrera

    Well that cool thanks t mobile can’t wait

  • Cam Fas

    The 4×4 will bring added reliability in low signal areas when more divices had the hardware to support. Strongly suspect the new iPhone announced tomorrow will have this.

    • emcdonald75

      Then I am definitely going to upgrade to the new iPhone because my phone was switching between 4G LTE to 4G HSPA without dropping calls but this morning I had a call drop. I didn’t understand why. I do have an iPhone 6S Plus and the signal is weaker on this phone than it was when I had the Galaxy Note 4. So maybe the iPhone 7 will be better, but I am still waiting to see pricing and features. I refuse to pay over $1K for a phone. I was going to get the Axon 7 for a cheaper Android phone, but I read that it had weak signal issues as well.

      • Yunier Cabrera

        That beacuse the iPhone have problem with the antenna let see what happen with the iPhone 7

      • Cam Fas

        I have a 6s plus I’m going to upgrade as soon as I can get my hands on either the 128gig or the 256 gig. It’s a shame tmobile stores always carry the lowest model and I always have to resort to having the phone shipped. Maybe this year I will just go to apple who knows.

      • Jimmy James

        I had the exact same issue. Ask for a cell booster. Not the one that requires a wireless network, the one that boosts the signal from the cell tower into your home. It’s free.

        • emcdonald75

          It wasn’t my home. I was driving and I usually drop calls in three particular spots everyday, but lately, the calls switch from LTE to 4G HSPA and the call continues without dropping; but today, I experienced the call drops again. I figured that VoLTE calls can switch down to 4G calls and continue without dropping, but if the VoLTE call switch to 2G, then the call will drop, because calls do not hand off very well between LTE and 2G. This is the reason I want T-Mobile to get rid of all 2G asap! People may not like AT&T, but their decision to get rid of all 2G on their network by January 2017 is brilliant. 2G is old and obsolete. It should be a crime for technologies older than a decade to still be in use. My opinion. So I am hoping that the new iPhone can hold onto a stronger signal than the iPhone 6S Plus.

      • tony

        iphones are known to have weaker anntenna.

    • user311

      Rumor has it that the Iphone 7 will have Intel’s XMM 7360 LTE modem, and 4×4 mimo isn’t an advertised spec for that particular modem, so I wouldn’t hold my breath.

      • Bryant

        It’s interesting to see it announced one day before the new iPhone, which Tmo has spoken highly of before and how the iPhone has been great for business. Not holding my breath, but maybe it will be included since Intel has had a whole team working on hardware for iPhones. Why wouldn’t Tmo just wait till October to announce this? Makes me curious.

      • Cam Fas

        I’ve heard the rumor but the rumors I’ve seen say the Intel modem is only around 30 percent of the phones for the Asian markets. Who knows we shall Find out tomorrow. I think Tmobile will get a 4×4 Mimo variant because why announce all these upgrades along with Verizon right before the launch.

  • Aurizen

    Does the current iphone support any of this?

  • nycplayboy78

    Interesting move T-Mobile and kudos to you for doing this…Well my Nexus 6P is 2×2 MIMO so I will be upgrading to the newest Nexii phone in October hoping that it will support 4×4 MIMO technologie(s)…..

    • Trevnerdio

      If only they kept the Nexus name :'( now they’re calling it Pixel…silly, if you ask me.

      • nycplayboy78

        Yeah isn’t that their Chromebook line of products o.O

        • Trevnerdio

          Yeah…they’re trying to unify.

  • Fabian Cortez

    Impressive as usual!

    More proof that T-Mobile isn’t sitting around idling.

  • steveb944

    Strange that the burning Note isn’t part of it.

    It’s too bad nowadays that you need a Samsung Galaxy carrier device to reap full benefits of the network.

    • Bradley Karas

      It’s compatible…I think they just avoided listing it until new ones are released

      • Eric Butler

        this

      • steveb944

        Makes sense, but Alex should have mentioned it.

    • Eric Butler

      It’s available on it out of the box. No update needed.

      • samsung freud

        Is it? I thought the switch for MIMO on the note 7 hadn’t been turned on yet?

        • Eric Butler

          It’s enabled on the phone by default, the network just hasn’t supported it yet til now

      • steveb944

        Ah ok, OP missed that then.

      • Jay Holm

        The article specifically says an update will be sent out….

  • Elier Ruiz

    I hope my iPhone SE and iPad Air 2 get these updates.

    • user311

      iirc no apple products supoort 4×4. And if the 7 is using Intel’s XMM 7360 LTE modem it won’t either.

      • Elier Ruiz

        That’s a bummer.

    • nutmac

      I heard from T-Mobile that only iPhone 6s and 6s Plus support Carrier Aggregation, not SE. And I believe 6s and 6s Plus are limited to 3×3, not 4×4.

      • Elier Ruiz

        Ugh. :(

        • tony

          there is always iphone 7.

  • Trevnerdio

    Lol @ the creator of the master list at the link not being able to classify things correctly (looking at you, Ohio!) But this is super exciting news, and the places that I frequent are all getting new goodies!

  • Jess

    CA has been available in Cincinnati, no 4×4 mimo for us though :-(. Oh well excellent news regardless :-)

  • Fabian

    Great! Now we can watch 480p videos throttled at 1.5Mbps at twice the speed.

    • Panzer

      But just imagine how blazing fast web browsing could be.

      • Fabian Cortez

        But just imagine how blazing fast web browsing could be.

        That’s the thing, web browsing isn’t video.

    • trolls suck at math

      1.5×2????

      • Fabian Cortez

        trolls suck at math

        Yes they do.

        Also, if you flag them enough, their comments won’t show.

        • thepanttherlady

          And then I approve them so they will show. Flagging comments just because you don’t agree or like the poster/comment doesn’t mean they go away.

        • Fabian Cortez

          And then I approve them so they will show. Flagging comments just because you don’t agree or like the poster/comment doesn’t mean they go away.

          This is 100% true!

          But you clearly know what’s going on here.

        • Fabian

          When you misuse the flagging system you’re doing that and also annoying our dear moderator. Now let’s go back to topic where I was just highlighting the obvious.

        • Fabian Cortez

          When you misuse the flagging system you’re doing that and also annoying our dear moderator. Now let’s go back to topic where I was just highlighting the obvious.

          And what are you doing with your 6132304132 different names in guest mode?

          Clearly you must be misusing the commenting system by making people think you’re different users, not to mention impersonating others.

          You have done this with vinny and I and others.

          And I quote:

          Impersonation

          You may not impersonate others in a manner that does or is intended to mislead or deceive others. Accounts portraying another person in a confusing or deceptive manner may result in your account being globally banned.

          The display name and avatar of the ‘fake’ and ‘genuine’ accounts must match exactly to be considered impersonation. We use several strategies to judge authenticity.

          https://help.disqus.com/customer/portal/articles/2285751

        • thepanttherlady

          I’ve requested before that email verification be required to help lessen this issue. Still waiting.

        • Fabian Cortez

          I’ve requested before that email verification be required to help lessen this issue. Still waiting.

          If that is the same as removing the guest mode option then yes, that would solve quite a few issues.

        • Fabian

          You’re being paranoid, you think every one that disagrees with you is the same person and therefore they are trolls.

          And you use the guest mode yourself to troll the “trolls”. But I don’t say anything.

        • Fabian Cortez

          You’re being paranoid, you think every one that disagrees with you is the same person and therefore they are trolls.

          You are the same individual posting under different guest accounts. You have admitted to this in the past; there is no paranoia.

          Your guest mode name at this point is pure evidence of this.

          And you use the guest mode yourself to troll the “trolls”. But I don’t say anything.

          There is absolutely zero evidence of this and it is highly preposterous. I use my name and my name alone. I post and stand by my comments. I have zero reason to post under any guest account.

        • Fabian

          And where is the evidence to all your claims?

        • Fabian Cortez

          And where is the evidence to all your claims?

          No. That is not how it works. Where is your evidence of “And you use the guest mode yourself to troll the “trolls”. But I don’t say anything.”?

          It is nowhere. Why? Because it does not exist. It is just another fabrication from you. Which is unsurprising considering the myriad of fabricated names you post under.

          One thing is clear: your days of guest mode under various names on TmoNews are numbered.

        • Fabian

          Of course you don’t have any evidence. You just make things up based on what you feel, and it’s all good because the end justifies the means and we are all trolls paid by Verizon, AT&T and Sprint.

          PS. I’m not saying we are paid trolls from other carriers.

        • Fabian Cortez

          Of course you don’t have any evidence. You just make things up based on what you feel, and it’s all good because the end justifies the means and we are all trolls paid by Verizon, AT&T and Sprint.

          PS. I’m not saying we are paid trolls from other carriers.

          And again, as you continue to sway the subject and continue with your trolling and impersonation.

          The evidence of your use of multiple guest accounts if blatantly clear, Guest 2, Guest, VN, Fabian, kevev, Walt, FILA, and any and all other names you use. Surely you don’t think I’m the only one who has noticed this.

          But weren’t you strictly advised not to respond to me?

        • thepanttherlady

          Seriously, don’t you two have anything better to do than bicker like children? I know I do. Please drop this and get back on topic.

        • Fabian Cortez

          Seriously, don’t you two have anything better to do than bicker like children? I know I do. Please drop this and get back on topic.

          Is there an honest reason why you don’t address the obvious troll here? The same individual who consistently uses my name to impersonate and start things out of nothing?

          Why don’t you address the problem and not the symptom? After all, it is my inbox that receives the alerts, not his. He is also antagonizing me and not the other way around. Yet somehow you continue to let this happen.

        • Fabian Cortez
        • thepanttherlady

          What is there to address? Just because you think these are all the same users doesn’t make it so. Moderators have far more information available to them than you may think. As long as the information provided to us says it’s a different user then there is nothing to be done.

          I’ll give you the same piece of advise I give my employees and kids: Stop worrying about what other people are doing or “might” be doing. Contribute to the topic at hand and you’ll be fine.

          If you get annoyed by someone’s comment, ignore it and move on. Not every comment needs to responded to. I do it every. single. day. If everyone stopped responding to the true trolls, they’d eventually give up and move on to another site to get a rise out of people leaving us to have meaningful conversation.

        • Fabian Cortez

          What is there to address?

          The clear trolling.

          You won’t even address the troll directly.

          But you’ll delete my post identifying the troll’s multiple accounts.

          Just because you think these are all the same users doesn’t make it so. Moderators have far more information available to them than you may think. As long as the information provided to us says it’s a different user then there is nothing to be done.

          It’s not hard at all to change IP addresses as I’m sure you’re well-aware; it’s clearly the content at hand that matters and that content is very consistent.

          So to clarify a few things: Impersonation is okay as long as one is in guest mode with varying IP addresses and a slightly different name. It’s also apparently accepted to slightly change up someone’s name in an effort to rile individuals up.

          But it is not okay to point this out, evidenced by the deleted posts and a direct reply bringing this up.

          I have yet to see you actually address the troll who is responsible for this nonsense. Instead, you prefer to address me for bringing up the issue that’s arising. By not addressing the blatant trolling, you inadvertently enable it. Or is it okay because it’s not happening to you?

          Sure, I could easily block the accounts but they’ll simply show up with another different guest name. Is that what you intend on fostering? Or should I just be flattered by the attention?

          https://www.tmonews.com/2016/08/t-mobile-one-undergoing-changes-t-mobile-one-plus-add/#comment-2869127146

          https://www.tmonews.com/2016/08/t-mobile-one-undergoing-changes-t-mobile-one-plus-add/#comment-2875504528

        • thepanttherlady

          I addressed two people in my original response to stop with the childish bs. That included you and the OP. You’re the only one continuing this. Time to move on. This will be last “participation” in this. I’m moving on, so should you.

          BTW, Fabian? The comment you falsely accused me of deleting wouldn’t perhaps be this one, would it?

          http://imgur.com/a/Zk1tz

        • Fabian Cortez

          Why did you delete my initial reply to your post above about “you falsely accused me of deleting?”

          For claritiy’ sake, I replied but you would have others believe I didn’t since you removed my comment.

          It’s getting very interesting…

      • Fabian

        Are you saying that video files will still travel at 1.5Mbps?

        • trolls suck at math

          are you saying they wont?????

  • auser72

    If I could unlimited hot spot at a reasonable rate, I would get rid of cable.

    • Fabian Cortez

      If I could unlimited hot spot at a reasonable rate, I would get rid of cable.

      What do you consider “reasonable?”

      $95 monthly provides you with unlimited 4G LTE tethering and unlimited 4G LTE mobile (one-the-go) internet.

      • Angel Nieves

        Well, the new T-MobileONE plan does offer Unlimited Hotspot for an additional $25/line which comes up to $95 for the first line. So I guess they granted your wish. Unlimited 4G LTE, unlimited 4G LTE hotspot, twice the speed in 140+ countries and unlimited HD video daily passes.

        • Fabian Cortez

          Exactly. It’s not a bad deal.

    • TJ

      That’s why these networks are slow AF because people want to use them as primary Internet.

  • gpt2010

    Does the Nexus 6P have this tech?

  • dontsh00tmesanta

    Note 7 here how to find out if 4×4 is currently being used?

    • Cam Fas

      It’s not until the software update comes next month for your phone

      • dontsh00tmesanta

        It already supports it dude

        • Cam Fas

          Yes but on the tmobile press article it says the phones support it. But it won’t be activated until next month via a software update. Kind of like how Verizon turned on lte advanced but everyone has to download the latest patch to enable it. The note 7 has 4×4 Mimo but it’s running 2×2 Mimo until they enable it.

        • dontsh00tmesanta

          With exception of note 7 which already has it on…..the post only is referring to the s7 series

        • Cam Fas

          The note 7 has it but its current firmware is operating on what I believe is 2×2 they have stated that it’s not utilizing the 4×4 even though the phone has it until they enable it through the hardware. Many tech sites confirm that the phone isn’t using its full potential yet since carriers are still doing field tests with limited models of the phones running 4×4 but the genral public and anyone who is using the note7 is not using 4×4 until the software update.

        • dontsh00tmesanta

          Nope the updates are for the s7 series

          Please provide proof if you are adamant

        • Cam Fas

          Negative all reviewer sites still say the firmware is not yet using 4×4 while the phone has the physical antennas. Basically they only have half activated. Until they enable the phone and the network to utilize 4×4. It’s like having an airplane witn 4 engines right now your using two engines yes the airplane has 4 engines but until the pilot turns those engines on then your still running on two.

        • dontsh00tmesanta

          Don’t give two shots what reviewers say

          The note 7 is already 4×4 active

        • dontsh00tmesanta

          Alright cum fas

          Show me the proof

  • emcdonald75

    So there is no carrier aggregation + 4×4 MIMO for cities that do not have 700MHz?

  • Uri

    I wonder If the iPhone 7 is compatible for all this antenna that T-Mobile is deploying.

    • Bryant

      We’ll find out tomorrow what antenna modem Apples went with…

  • Shawn

    I have been wanting to switch to T-Mobile for a long time, however I live in Bucyrus, OH and the coverage maps shows only “Fair” coverage for most of the area. However I saw Bucyrus listed as getting 4×4 Mimo so how would that affect coverage in my area?

    • pengko

      probably nothing. it just opens more lanes on the data highway for faster speeds.

    • Jason Caprio

      Don’t do it. According to the coverage map, most of your area is “Fair”. Means you might get a half-decent signal while outside, but don’t count on any indoor coverage. This is based on personal experience with T-Mobile. Bucyrus, OH is out in the boonies and you will not have a good experience.

      • Shawn

        Thank you Jason for the info! That’s why I was asking about the 4×4 Mimo…I couldn’t understand why they would have it in Bucyrus when the whole city is practically “Fair” coverage. Oh Well!

        • Jason Caprio

          No problem. According to the coverage strength map, your city is covered by 1 single tower that is far outside the city. The coverage map is very misleading. Around the outskirts of Pennington, NJ where I did some field service. That whole area is “fair” coverage and my T-Mobile phone had NO SIGNAL in most of the area, where my AT&T work phone had a strong signal.

  • Javier

    Yo fabian u know when orlando and kissimmee are will be live bro

    • Fabian Cortez

      It should be live per the list of markets: https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/doc_download.cfm?doc_id=216

    • Bradley Karas

      Sure is! They expanded big time in Orlando especially at universal studios! It was abysmal last year and full coverage now. They also launched PCS bands at 10 mhz

  • Janice and Rusty WIlliams

    Well, T-Mobile is at it again. Remember, they are a “Re-Carrier now, and if you’ve seen the past, ads, they look familiar. First, they are using the same “Re-Carrier” advertising strategy.

    Here’s how it works– they’ll advertise a new service and how it’s better than a competitors, even when they haven’t tested it; and remain ranked #4 (out of 4 companies) in coverage and service according to RootMetrics.

    So here, you might get lucky and get 450MB speeds for a short time, but like clockwork, they’ll start telling customers they need to upgrade. Two things happen-

    Part 1– T-Mobile billing experts will find a way to change the rateplan and how it’s billed. (Look at Rate plans with “Unlimited” data; but then T-Mobile raised rates and how T-Mobile Re-Advertised the terms of their service; changed how T-Mobile bills for video; and risks being not compliant with Net-Neutrality with a plan called “Binge On”.)

    Part 2– T-Mobile Customer Service is trained to tell people coverage problems are related to equipment. An upgrade is mandatory to get access to coverage once had. As customers upgrade, you simply won’t get the advertised speed once one other person in your area upgrades as well. Still, and as an early adopter, be sure to get a screenshot of the speeds you had during that very first week. This way, you can fondly look back at that speed test as you continue your 2-year contract term; and how they took advantage of you. Also, why not post “SpeedTest” results online so T-Mobile they can get even more customers on the network.

    Logically though… The engineering needs to get done. In order to get coverage and speed to the tower via landline fiber. In most parts of the US where T-Mobile leases space on Verizon’s antenna structure, Verizon (or AT&T Landlines) has to bring fiber optic lines to the tower. So AT&T and Verizon will likely have the faster speed first. T-Mobile likes to advertise placing the cart before the horse, I guess.

    Another problem T-Mobile has is the spectrum position and amount of airwaves. Verizon also has 800% more cellular airwaves, which travel “up to 4-times farther” than what T-Mobile advertises as LTE Extended Range service (Band 12). Having access to a larger amount of airwaves is important if you want coverage over wider distances and for more people (capacity). In T-Mobile’s situation, it actually seems that they want to increase their ad budget instead of providing service.

    Either way, it’s shady marketing T-Mobile uses. But it must be legal in the country Neville Ray is from. I believe he’s still on a Green Card and not a US citizen and may not know about US’s strict truth-in-advertising laws. That’s probably why it’s on a blog post. This is exactly what a “Re-Carrier” does.

    • Guest

      Did you write this while on the clock for Verizon or on your own time?

      3 out of 4 rating sources rank T-Mobile highly, but you hang onto root metrics as your sole source of competitive rankings. Enjoy your time in LaLa land.

      • Janice and Rusty WIlliams

        Nope. I just had a terrible experience with T-Mobile; it was a waste of time.

        Was verbally told that wen we ported numbers out to a different company, I’d only be billed for the lines that remained with T-Mobile. They’re very bad.

        As for 3 out of 4 rating sources, I just needed to be a customer to know how bad the network coverage is.

        I don’t need to justify anything to you.

        BUYER BEWARE.

        • Jose Rodriguez

          Definitely troll alert.

          T-Mobile is rated highly by everyone and even Root metrics the difference isn’t such a wide gap.

        • Spanky

          Highly rated for everything BUT coverage.

        • Jose Rodriguez

          Actually very much so in coverage. Its vying for the 2 seed in coverage with At&T and again 3 out of 4 rating systems have them at either 1 or 2 overall for cell network. Not bad for the price they charge.

        • ltnstar

          Huh? Your billed for lines that remained with them?

    • Guest
      • Patrick Day

        Dude, you’re right. Paid trolls for either Verizon or AT&T. Maybe T-Mobile Corp. needs to investigate this “trolling” and expose it. You know Legere would rub their faces in it if he could.

        • a d00d

          You just now figured out there are a bunch of paid trolls here 24/7? You really must be new here, LOL!

        • Patrick Day

          New no, just don’t pay much attention to the idiots spamming the board with anti T-Mobile propaganda.

    • nuCarrier

      But seriously though, there are criticisms to be made, and these are not them.

      * RootMetrics isn’t the only test; different tests have different methodologies, and the only answer is that if it works for you, it works for you. It all depends on the area you use your phone, and you can get a test drive to see what the coverage is like before signing up.

      * You can keep your old plan if you’re grandfathered in, and you have a guarantee that they won’t force you off of it for up to 2 years. Binge On does violate net neutrality, but in spirit rather than in practice. Our laws don’t enforce strict net neutrality, and you can consider the $25 addon to be a separate $95 plan if you want, at which point the only difference from the current plan is that it doesn’t have a complementary allotment of high-speed tethering, which has always been limited in some way since at least 2009.

      * Coverage will REQUIRE a hardware upgrade to access new technologies that are finalized after chipsets are released. It is completely ridiculous to expect my old T-Mobile G1 to get access to Band 12 LTE or 4x4MIMO. It simply does not support these radio features. As carriers move to new technologies, they reallocate resources or turn off old technologies. Remember how HSPA+ was converted to LTE, and 1900MHz 2G was converted to 3G/LTE to add compatibility with AT&T devices? This is not a bad thing unless you are stuck using an outdated device. It is ridiculous to expect T-Mobile to hold back for 2 years instead of implementing the latest technologies, because that means giving up their competitive advantage.

      * Band 12 is 700MHz, and you’re dealing with the laws of physics, not carrier choice. 700MHz is 700MHz. It is impossible for Verizon’s 700MHz to travel 4x as far as T-Mobile’s 700MHz. The only relevant measure is the bandwidth of that signal, since wider ranges will allow for fitting more users. But even if Verizon uses 701-720MHz and T-Mobile uses 740-760MHz, this does not translate to “4x as far”.

      * Cut the nativist crap, it is irrelevant whether or not anyone is a US citizen.

      • emcdonald75

        I think Verizon’s advantage is their ownership of nationwide Upper C Block 700MHz with 10×10 bandwith. T-Mobile only has 5×5 bandwith of 700MHz spectrum, plus T-Mobile’s spectrum is not nationwide. Where I live, for example, C-Spire owns the A-Block spectrum here and in some other areas, other organizations own the A-Block. I really hate T-mobile did not participate in that 700MHz auction, but it was going to cost a fortune because Verizon and AT&T wanted that spectrum badly, even with the Upper C block open access rules the FCC placed on the license owner of this wireless band.

        • a d00d

          Actually, if VZW’s Upper-C is 10 MHz, then it should travel half to 2/3rds as far as TMo’s 5 MHz due to the noise floor–and that’s before factoring in going up to 256 QAM, which should cut distance even further (assuming man-made noise isn’t so bad on this band that 256 QAM is impossible, at least in urban areas).

    • ltnstar

      U sure your not talking about sprint? As long as I was with them they promoted devices before anything was even implemented.
      Unfortunately with Network capacity, and customer demand it seems we are screwd with tech

    • Bradley Karas

      Dude are you for real? You sound like a sour grapes hater…and very misinformed on what MIMO is and overall structure of networks

  • Matt

    Is this the same thing as carrier aggregation. If so, then MetroPCS’ ZMAX Pro supports it.

    • Adam

      These technologies pack more information into a single channel. T-Mobile gets faster downloads without having buy more spectrum.

      In 4×4 MIMO, 4 pieces of data is broadcast at the same frequency simultaneously, but your phone will “undo” the interference:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZbDS-qEmjo

      In QAM, both the amplitude and modulation of the signal is used to transmit data. T-Mobile is switching to 256 possible combinations per wave.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbrRGBRk5fM

      • a d00d

        I’m seriously questioning 256 QAM over a mobile, moving point-to-multipoint channel. It barely works on Cox cable (or maybe it’s just their crappy box they’re forcing everyone to rent), so if they can’t get it to work 100% on a closed circuit, how the sam hell is it supposed to work in over-the-air broadcast? (Short explanation: you can’t beat Shannon’s Law–going higher-order modulation REQUIRES a higher signal-to-noise ratio! Forget about receiving the full 256 QAM if you’re barely getting a signal now! You’ll still be keeping your downgraded signal (the LTE specs graceful modulation downgrades as the signal quality goes down, all the way to something like 8QPK (from memory)).

        IMHO, I’ll benefit since I’m close enough to the cell to see it and have a strong signal, and it’ll benefit most people in small cells, but not the larger ones. It may not work at all on B12, but I wish a cellular engineer would come on and say one way or the other.

        • Jason Caprio

          My thoughts exactly. 256 QAM will only work if you are basically standing next to a cell phone tower within line of sight with a blazing full signal.

    • a d00d

      It’s amazing how many people here don’t know what these technologies are.

      Carrier Aggregation is taking different bands and tying them together; in modern handsets some in-band CA can also be done (separate blocks of PCS or AWS spectrum that are separated by another carrier, for example). For older people, think of channel or modem / PPP bonding, if you remember that. But–and this is important–CA is no panacea and will always be slower than one continuous block of spectrum. This is precisely why carriers swap spectrum at times: it gives them both a larger contiguous block.

      MIMO is Multiple-In Multiple-Out and is also supported by newer WiFi APs and terminals (in particular, 4×4 is supported by 802.11ac and every dual+ band AP is doing CA as well) and just means using multiple radios on the same channel using space and time diversity. Just look at any .ac access points and all the antennas they’re sporting: the antennas in your cellular base station are the same way, even if you can’t see them because of the radome cover.

      A *BIG* deal: modern CA is mostly software based, with some physical filters, while older CA was all physical (it’s damn-near a miracle that it works, honestly). However, MIMO by definition requires multiple antennas, one for each stream, which means 2×2 needs 2 antennas and 4×4 needs 4. Thus, your phone, if the SoC’s baseband DSP is fast enough and has the necessary analog RF components, can do multi-band CA with just a firmware update, but 4×4 MIMO requires 4 tranceivers that almost certainly aren’t present on anything dating from last year on back. I’m very curious if the V20 has it, but if it doesn’t have 4 antennas, there is nothing anyone can do to make it do 4×4 even though the 820 supports it. Sorry.

      • Bradley Karas

        Note 7

      • Matt

        I do remember bonded PPP. I don’t work in IT anymore so I admit to being a little bit behind.

  • nutmac

    Agreed. I like T-Mobile but I have never connected to CA (even 2×2 variety) in entire San Francisco – San Jose Bay Area. I am sure there’s at least one or two towers somewhere, but boosting that it is “available NOW in 319 cities” when it isn’t enabled on majority of the towers is rather shady.

  • Cool, maybe now I can use my service at Temple University in Philly.

    • Jason Caprio

      I was in that area recently. LTE speeds are ABYSMAL there. Nearly unusable same as they are in my hometown of Bensalem, PA and work area of Trenton, NJ. Speeds were faster about 2 years ago but over the last year they have gone way downhill. I’m most likely going to switch to Verizon if LTE is slow for much longer.

      • TJ

        That’s what I did, T-Mobile talks about fastest LTE while I struggled to make a phone call or load a short YouTube video.

        • Guillermo Eduardo Ortega-ibarr

          Turn off bing on trust me it helps a lot

        • TJ

          I was doing a speed test, and Binge On was off, Im with VZ Now

      • a d00d

        4×4 MIMO will help, assuming they have the back-haul as discussed below. Otherwise the other cure is more spectrum. This is why, unless the V20 or the next Google phone is ridiculously awesome, I’m waiting until next year when the new phones *SHOULD* have AWS-3 and 600 MHz. *crossing fingers*

  • ltnstar

    The more I scrolled down. U sound like a troll.
    No network is perfect, T-Mobile has capacity issues. Not perfect for everyone.

    • Jay Holm

      T-Mobile’s network is fine most parts of Houston, I live near UoH, and I get great speeds!

    • Bradley Karas

      Works great in FL

  • Bryant

    They never mentioned using airwaves from the 600 mhz auction… And, it DOES offer 4×4 MIMO and the QAM it mentioned. It’s live NOW!!
    Stay on Verizon and Rootmetrics, please. I just hit 94 mbps down in Salt Lake in the Foothill neighborhood. My old phone doesn’t even do 4×4 MIMO or QAM.

    • a d00d

      No devices for 600 MHz or AWS-3 will be available until next year–or so both manufacturers and carriers are promising (next year). We’ll see…

  • gmo8492

    I hope the new Marlin and Sailfish phones from Google support it. I plan to upgrade as soon as they’re available.

  • Jason Caprio

    This 4×4 MIMO sounds really nice on paper, but it doesn’t mean anything unless the backhaul can handle the speeds. T-Mobile’s backhaul is a complete mess. My average non-slow speed is between 5mbps – 30mbps. Occasionally I’ve seen it go as high as 100mbps, but more often than I’m comfortable with, and in the same areas on the same towers, I barely break 0.5mbps.

    T-Mobile’s top priority needs to be fixing network congestion in crowded areas and upgrading their backhaul.

    • Fabian

      I would be happy with a consistent 8Mbps data rather than 20 there, 2 over there, 0.5 here, 0 right there and 60 somewhere… some lucky cat, according to him or her.

      • Romdude

        Don’t just look at speedtest, sometimes just use a high bandwidth app and it will still work. It’s because of priority, someone might be using up all the bandwidth by illegally tethering but once they hit a limit, your bandwidth will have priority for max speed. A few seconds after I’ve stopped using my high bandwidth app and use speedtest, I see the real speed, roughly 5x faster for me.

      • Krali

        I mean, I’ve never seen my speed drop below 20, and averages at 30.

    • a d00d

      You know, I’ve been suspecting for months that some problems I see at times are a backhaul problem back to the switch rather than congestion in my local cell. Here in Phoenix, this seems especially bad during our busy season in March when we’re flooded by snowbirds coming for the Cactus League and NASCAR, yet I’m several miles from the nearest ball park, much less other venues (arenas, PIR, etc).

      And ditto on the 500kbps, I have that measured on both the FCC app and Speedtest.net. Yet upload is from 4-10 Mbps, average 6-7. This happens frequently on my cell, which appears to still be backhauled by microwave. (Of course, without an LTE test set to decode the full 15 MHz channel into its constituent streams, the only way to know for sure if its cell or backhaul is if you’re on the other end of said backhaul–that is, at TMo’s network ops center.)

      Oh, and FWIW, TMo is hardly unique in upgrading cells but not backhauls. This is especially bad in rural areas, I’ve noticed, where you may be on an LTE cell but your speed is around a meg at most, if the cell isn’t busy because of road construction or an accident or something.

  • Tim

    Will 4×4 mimo increase signal strength?

    • T-Mobile User

      Sort of. Since the your device will be connected to the tower with 4 antennae instead of 2, at the cell edge your signal will be more steady instead of disappearing/reappearing on your device

  • illstplaya .

    Wish they would make it compatible for unlocked phones as well

  • Guillermo Eduardo Ortega-ibarr

    Currently the only phone the support mimo it’s note 7 rite

    • Bryant

      Galaxy 7 phones will later this month via software to enable it, Note 7 probably does too, but it may catch fire sooner with 4×4 MIMO screaming from it.

      • Guillermo Eduardo Ortega-ibarr

        Lmfao note 7 comes whit mimo out of the box though

        • Krali

          It needs it though. Otherwise you wouldn’t be able to finish your download before the phone catches on fire.

    • BadBatz

      Pretty much every Snapdragon 82x chipset phone, HTC 10, etc., will support it (the 82x has the x12 modem which does support MIMO 4×4.)

      • Guillermo Eduardo Ortega-ibarr

        Correct but I know note 7 as it ready to work on previous post on here.. There is a note 7 on network test mode and you see mimo 4×4 plus today I have run some speed test on my note 7 and I seen a much faster speed from 20 to 30 before and now from 50 to 80

  • javier nogues

    I guess have to wait for software update cuz according to map is live in my area thanks anyway fabian

  • Javier

    Its qualcomm 820 that supports it

  • Archon

    And absolutely no love for Iowa

    • Bradley Karas

      Never going to happen…maybe after the 600mhz auction…I know my bro lives there and its terrible

    • Acdc1a

      Sins of the past…the iWireless debacle. Eventually T-Mobile will get you covered.

    • noh1bvisas

      so true. whenever i go there to visit family i have to call tmo and complain before i get coverage.

  • TmoJohnstownCustomer

    Hoping someone can answer this because I’m curious. I noticed that my local T-mobile tower had the antenna panels changed out. There used to be 2 panels per side, totaling 6 panels. They replaced them with a single antenna on each side, 3 total. Coverage seems weaker at my house but stronger in other places (although I fall back to 2G more than I used to). As far as I know. they are only broadcasting on 1900 mhz. Since the update, still no 3G/4G, just 2G and LTE as before. My phone doesn’t support band 12 (or voLTE) but they do own the license here. The city is listed on the referenced PDF as “Carrier aggregation”. This must mean they are now using additional bands? Any insiders who can tell me what this means?

    • T-Mobile User

      Carrier Aggregation(CA) is the molding of different bands to as perform as one (B4+B12, B2+12, B2+B4, etc). The frequencies used for CA must be active in the area for it to work (obviously) and your phone will do the rest, nothing needed from the user

  • riverhorse

    My zmax pro supports band aggregation. It is by FAR the fastest data I’ve EVER seen in my miserable existence.

  • drago10029

    Anyone know if the Nexus 6P needs a radio update to utilize this? I know on the specs it supports only 2×2 mode which should be plenty fast for me.

  • T-Mobile User

    “T-Mobile is also launching 256 QAM (quadrature amplitude modulation) for downloads and 64 QAM for updates, features which increase the number of bits delivered per transmission”

    I think u mean uploads

  • Humberto Paniagua

    How about you work on the Utah region sometime this decade on even some decent speeds. The coverage is more than mediocre and get its ass handed to it by Cricket wireless!

    • Michael Carroll

      Yeah, but it’s…Utah…

      • Humberto Paniagua

        Ha! Darn it…..

    • Bryant

      Last week I pulled down 94 mbps in the Foothill neighborhood. I can always find speeds around 20-25 mbps along the Wasatch Front. What city do you live in?

      • Humberto Paniagua

        Ogden area. It seems Layton and further south gets better service. But Ogden area coverage is really bad.

  • Glenn Gore

    312 million people, or 99.7% of Verizon’s population numbers are “covered”. Doesn’t say what they are covered WITH, just that they are covered. That may be correct, but how many of that number may be covered only via roaming, or only have GSM, 2G/EDGE, 3G, or “4G”/HSPA, or LTE, or any combination of the above? T-Mobile isn’t about to break out those numbers and tell us how much population each of those services covers.

    • Acdc1a

      You have no idea what you’re talking about. The 312 million claim is native T-Mobile LTE coverage.

      • Glenn Gore

        Does it say that? No, It just says “We cover…”, which can include roaming. My point stands.

        • Acdc1a

          It’s right there in the announcement. “T-Mobile’s LTE network now covers nearly 312 million…”

    • Fabian

      It’s coverage, POP coverage, meaning coverage people get when they are sitting at home. God forbid they drive and travel. If you’re one of those weird people that go out you should only care about square miles of coverage. The #s of cities, #s of POP, etc, are just ad noise.

      • Glenn Gore

        OK, I concede, you people want to give T-Mobile a pass on the breakdown of the types of coverage those 312 million people are being served with. I get it. I should have known this since this is a T-Mobile fan site. Moving on.

        • Fabian

          Most of the 312 million POP coverage, is mostly with 5x5Mhz of B12, which is good for building penetration and calls, not so much for data.

        • Glenn Gore

          Most but not all. I will accept that because we have no way of knowing how much is which, and my point was not ALL of it is LTE. There are a lot of states where they have no Band 12. Thank you.

        • Fabian

          The 312 is LTE POP coverage, according to T-Mobile. I prefer talking about miles of coverage. I don’t like B12 but they are constantly adding coverage with it.

        • Glenn Gore

          Source? This statement doesn’t say that. I’m not saying they don’t claim that elsewhere, I am only going with the statement at hand.

        • Fabian Cortez

          Just an FYI: You are engaging with a troll who is impersonating me.

        • riverhorse

          That’s ok, Glenn acting trollish too.

        • Fabian

          In that case you are right. But what company doesn’t hide the real facts?

  • Bradley Karas

    Is anyone commenting an actual T-Mobile tech?

  • Omar Boyer

    I went back to my lg g4 since my s7 broke does anyone know if the G4 supports some type of carrier agregation? I dont kno were to check like on my s7 on service mode it would say what bands and if it was using ca aggregation. The G4 ive gotten speeds up to 70 on lte but then again i dont know if its using CA.

    • Adam

      The G4 will aggregate up to a total channels width of 20 Mhz, which gives a max download 150 Mbps. This comes from info I read on another forum. Real world tests show the phone maxing at 100 Mbps, so when I read someone post about the 20 Mhz limit on another forum, I believed that post.

  • Fabian

    I see. Of course the details will always be in finer print somewhere in their website or literature. But most of us here know that they are talking about POP.

  • Bradley Karas

    Already saw speeds of 150 down and 30 up yesterday in Tampa

  • Jimmy James

    No updates. So no MIMO in Detroit area. In fact, downtown, my signal has gotten worst. Probably has something to do with Gilbert and his Rocket Fiber Internet implementation.

  • riverhorse

    He said people, not cows or horses.
    So yes, if you go way out remotely – a former MaBell will cover a lot more animals, including: a few rednecks humping their livestock, a few religious sect inbreds marrying their 9yo, and a few militias eating horse / donkey on the spit.
    So?
    WE ALL KNOW that in between distant commutes a former Ma Bell will have an advantage over a foreign upstart.
    And why not, with a couple of centuries’ head start of monopoly, back haul, gouging, etc.
    Yet they lose out presently on top speeds, band & phone common standards, international roaming and price.
    As with life in general, lazy binary thinking just does not work.
    And as with the Bible, you can cherry pick any one detail(while conveniently ignoring the rest) to make the case for anything whatsoever that you wish.

    So your Captain Obvious + Innocent Commenter vs Fanboys aka Troll Act serves what purpose to you?

    • Glenn Gore

      Wow, what a post! You obviously have no clue what sorts of data applications today’s agriculture producers you describe so colorfully employ in their planting, fertilizing, harvesting, and just daily operation, in order to grow, process, and transport to market the food that sustains you. That data and connectivity has to be provided by someone, and the cellphone carriers gladly provide it. A lot of that 1 million miles of new LTE coverage T-Mobile has deployed in the past year includes farms and ranches, despite your ridiculous vendetta against serving that market. The modern day farmer and rancher is a huge data consumer, do yourself a favor and do some research on that and maybe you won’t sound so ignorant yourself next time.