T-Mobile Says Tethering Not Permitted, Will Support In The Near Future

I’m sure the following news will make a good amount of you that use your handset to tether unhappy, especially considering the news last week of Magenta reducing its data cap to 5GB. T-Mobile has released a new statement to employees reminding them that according to T-Mobile Terms & Conditions, using a phone as a modem or tethering a phone is prohibited. Magenta claims that customers using their handsets to tether use a lot more data (obviously) and current T-Mobile data plans are not priced accordingly. Before you start venting in the comments, T-Mobile states that it understands that subscribers are interested in this feature and are working on a solution in the near future. Our ninjas tell us that T-Mobile will start offering tethering packages to customers as early as November. As usual, we’re digging for more details! Don’t forget to leave your thoughts in the comments!

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  • Mr Rocker

    Make up your mind T-mobile!

    • J-Hop2o6

      yea they should just allow it with your current data plan.. data is data.. who cares how u use it (device or tethering).

      • JustMike

        Amen. They can throttle me at 5GB if they want to, but why should it matter HOW I make it to 5GB? They can always charge extra for people who tether more often and want a cap higher than 5GB, but it makes no sense to charge a user twice for the same data on the same device just because it’s used a different way.

    • JYMMYB

      This is the reason for supporting hacker….:P

  • Brigini

    Yeah, um, dev’s, PLEASE find a way to root this phone…

  • Brigini

    Also I’d rather donate to the devs than pay tmobile a monthly fee;)

  • David Thomas

    Even when I tether, I don’t use more than 5GB, so I’m not planning on adding on to my plan.

  • Vinyldestination

    So I’m waiting for my G2 to arrive in the mail and one of the reason why I chose the G2 was to tether. From what I had read, you can use PDAnet to tether if you have a mac. Which is what I have. I don’t plan to use it all the time, but can Tmo know that you are tethering with PDAnet?

    • Linkage2424

      Nope, it’s just normal data usage through your phone; there’s no way to distinguish a difference.

      • J-Hop2o6

        ^^ this.. it should just be a free add-on, like Visual VM

    • El Guapo

      Of course they can. They can easily see the browser user agent string, among many many other ways.

    • You can use pdanet w a mac…i used my vibrant on my mac at work to stream the first eagles game off atdhe.net and it streamed flawlessly for 3 1/2 hrs no interruptions….using just our 3g network…

  • Viper Matrix Wireless

    XDTether is so much better acts as a hotspot too.

  • Androidless

    I don’t care about tethering personally, but what’s the deal here? If you stay below your cap, you stay below your cap. Seems silly to me and a blown chance to differentiate themselves from ATT and VZW, et al.

  • johnmed3

    @vyneldetination: t-mobile will not know that you are using PDANET. That is what I use if I need to.

    • El Guapo

      Yes, they will. See my post.

  • I can kinda see where there coming from. I have HSPA+ in my area and the speeds are way faster than what I get on my home dsl. If I had HSPA+ in my city I’d just tether and do all my home Internet through T-mobile, which they probably wouldn’t want but hey, it would save me the cost of DSL.

  • ganzgeil

    There’s definitely a difference in data usage, but I doubt the tethering packages will be much different from the offerings of other providers. Hopefully I’m wrong, but I’ll probably be sticking to my 5GB and keeping usage light.

  • Scott

    This “restriction” has been in place for a long time now, however as a prior Blackberry owner I tethered all the time and never saw anything from T-Mobile telling me to stop. In fact, it was supported in the Blackberry Desktop Software. I honestly think that no matter what phone you use or what software you use to tether, if you don’t go over the data limit you shouldn’t see any intervention by T-Mobile.

    • Nate

      That’s probably because until very recently tmo Blackberries did not have 3G. At any rate why should they care how you use your phone if you keep below your cap?

      • Riopato

        Screw the cap! Why should they care how we use our phone as long as we pay our already overcharged bills! All carriers pretend that phone service and wireless broadband service are 2 different things. If that’s true, why is there a need to create some kind of imaginary service that’s been around for the last 10 years! Technology is supose to improve and get cheaper not improve and a reason to charge more!

  • MichaelN

    T-Mobile should take advantage of tethering and offer it for free, especially if people remain under the 5g limit. This would show potential customers what they CAN do and what the other carrier WON’T do. This would be a great selling point for T-Mobile. Furthermore, geeks like us would spread the word and get T-Mobile more customers!

  • gargoyle999

    I’ll be tethering my HD2 to my netbook next month on vacation! Love avoiding those BS hotel fees for internet.

  • GJW

    So let’s get this straight – as a smartphone customer of t-mobile, I am paying $30 a month for up to 5 gigabytes of data usage. When using my smartphone without tethering, it’s virtually impossible for me to come even close to 5GB of data usage (unless I stream lots of online music or videos, which I don’t). But whether I do or I don’t, by the terms of their own agreement, I am paying to us up to 5GB of data.

    As an end user paying $30 per month for up to 5GB of data, why does tethering of a computer via my cell phone make a difference, as long as I am staying within my 5GB monthly data usage? 5GB is 5GB, regardless of whether it’s my phone directly doing the data pulls or my computer via my cell phone!

    This is not to say that t-mobile is trying to do anything other carriers don’t, but to me, this sounds like someone should start a class action suit or perhaps we should all start sending letters to the FCC complaining that we are paying for a service which all of the carriers are unfairly preventing us from receiving full value for.

    • tehandroid

      I doubt your class action lawsuit would even get off the ground. In the terms of service (which no one reads) it says tethering is not allowed. It was never really enforced because people who tethered was a minority. Now its a lot more common place so T-Mobile is starting to enforce it.

      • Matt Hatter

        I love the educated consumer. When did it become a illegal for a person or company to enforce a contract just because the other person in the agreement didn’t read the agreement they signed and agreed to? “Whoa there Mr. Devil! You can’t have my soul, I didn’t read the agreement where you said that you would give me wealth and fame for my soul. That is not legally binding!”

    • ganzgeil

      Most smartphone applications are optimized for mobile devices and use less bandwidth than an equivalent on a laptop or desktop. It’s not a huge difference when you’re just browsing, but if you stream or download often it’s noticeable. YouTube is a great example of this, 100 users watching a video on a laptop would be quite a bit more bandwidth than 100 users watching the same video from a mobile device, HD or not.

    • El Guapo

      If you dont like it then pay the ETF and go to another carrier. And which carrier would that be? LOL Good luck with that…

    • jc

      The problem is you’re thinking like a consumer, instead of a bean counter.

      In an ideal world, a carrier would charge a lot of money, have very little infrastructure build-out, and low services cost (they have to pay *someone* for the fat pipe that ultimately makes T-Mobile part of the internet).

      We want: Cheap service, complete coverage, fast connections.
      They want: As much of your money for as little as they can realistically provide.

      • Riopato

        Amen to that! But in Tmobile’s defense, they have been the cheapest company that I know compared to the other carriers in my area. It’s a shame they’re turning into something like it’s competition though.

  • sukru

    My phone asks me if you want to use internet sharing every time I plug it in. This is a standard Windows Mobile user (yes I know we’re a dying breed).

    Now does t-mobile tell me I cannot use a feature that comes standard on the phone they sold to me?

    • J-Hop2o6

      you’ll be fine.. i have a TP2 also.. T-Mo doesn’t have remote access to our TP2’s to disable that.. so Tether (Wifi or USB) away.

  • patrickhuey

    I second that!!

  • Ed

    That’s funny because the last time I checked, tmobile sold me a phone that tethers (dash), that came with software and step by step directions in the manual on how to perform said tether. Also I remember this being a selling point of the phone when I bought it so…

    • Matt Hatter

      Windows phones and Blackberrys still have and most likely will continue to have this feature and capabilities.

      • Riopato

        Windows mobile will always have tethering. Unfortunately Windows Phone won’t and is not included since it’s not using active sync anymore. Fingers crossed that MS will offer built in wifi sharing as an alternative to tetherng!

    • mtnman

      It’s the same thing when you bought your car. Your car will do 120+Mph, but but the speed limit is still 75.

      • somebody

        that is a horrible way to describe this situation

    • Riopato

      All my winmo phones had those instructions in the manual! I had the Palm treo, dash, shadow, dash 3g, and currently the HD2. All of them tether just fine and all of them have instruction on how to do it in the manual and on the tmobile website! Does this mean they’re breaking their own contract!?!

  • Boy

    WTH Tmobile, does this apply to new customers only or all customers? With the new data plans coming up, is my old so called unlimited data plan(10gb actual limit) will be reduced to a 5gb cap?
    This is not the news I wanna wake up to. I was hoping for some froyo for my mytouch so I can get back to using my vibrant. Speaking of which, where’s my froyo tmo? OTA update shouldn’t be the only option, agree or disagree?

    I know this isn’t tmo Official website but I’m venting hoping they read our questions, comments and concerns which I doubt it because they want us to use their website to voice our opinions but I rather be on tmonews because they are on top things regarding tmobile than tmo themselves.
    Thanks David and staff for your work on keeping us informed and in the loop with everything tmo. I’m gone w/o chaperone <<<as big boy in the neighborhood would say.

  • I’m a noob

    What is tethering?

    • CactusCat

      Well boys and girls.. the Nexus One has always had both tethering and hotspot. So I guess they do support it (sort of)….. just not for the moment.

      • Spokker

        As a Nexus One owner, I use all of the features of my phone that I want to use, including mobile hot spot. When my friend and I were at the Dodger game, I let him connect his iPod Touch to my Nexus One so he could use some MLB app and try to win a prize on the Dodgers Twitter feed.

        At home, when the cable Internet went out to do heavy rains recently, I connected the Wii to my phone so I could stream Family Guy over Netflix on my Wii. Since HSPA+ just came to my area, the video was DVD quality.

        So, no matter what T-Mobile actually says, tethering is supported. If they don’t want it this way, then I dare say that they have no control of their own company.

    • mtnman

      Tethering is when your laptop/desktop is connected to your cell phones internet usage. You can have either up to 1-8 computers connected to it and surf the web on your laptop using your cell phone.

  • D-Que

    I got the tmobile G2 and I won’t to teater I reather pay tmobile extra cost then pay to get wifi in my place Im a collage students I can use it for my lap top ps3 andand what’s ever else so tmoble bring it.

    • trollface.jpg

      Good lord I hope you’z trollin…

    • Riopato

      I see that college hasn’t yet taught you how to spell or type. Of course you’re excused if you posted this via iPhone or keyboardless Android.

  • That’s funny given “use as a Wifi hotspot” is on the list of advantages the MyTouch HD has over the iPhone in the second story down from this story!

    OK, here’s something to think about. T-Mobile’s Featurephone plans (until recently, possibly) had available a tethering plan (“T-Mobile Internet”) for $20. For $5, (“T-Mobile Total Internet”) it included Hotspot access too.

    Meanwhile Smartphone data costs $25, $5 more than the tethering plan. Oh, and they just introduced throttling. Hmmm. I’m not going to feel guilty for occasionally using the USB tethering feature in my Cyanogenified Slide.

    • Riopato

      unlimited T-mobile internet for $20 was originally for the blackberry network, which Winmo had the luxury to attach itself to this plan and gave access to tmobile’s portal to download crap for tmobile. The extra $5 which gave you Total internet allowed Unlimited data, tmobile portal and the Hotspot option to access wifi at places like starbucks and barnes & nobles for free which At&t now took over.
      The whole $25- $30 data plan came into effect when 3G started to take over and smartphones like iPhone and Android stepped in which screwed up everything because everyone and their grandma now uses a “smartphone” so they can download everything stream anything!

  • GPL

    They move more and more towards becoming like the competition with moves like this. It’s impossible to differentiate yourself if you are a clone of the others with only a name change. A cap is a cap, why does it matter if I use data tethering or watching YouTube videos at work?

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  • mikeeeee

    guess i’ll have to bring my trusty old GC-89 out of mothballs.

  • mark

    I can tether with my G2 using the one click temp root….. Just because TMo says its not supported doesnt mean you can’t do it.

    • Riopato

      Did the root stick? or does your G2 resets itself to stock?

  • jayy336

    HA, they really can’t tell me anything, its a “feature” on my UNROOTED Nexus One :)

  • Matt Hatter

    Just for kicks and giggles I checked out what the other 3 major carriers charged for tethering/mobile hotspot.
    Verizon: $20.00/month
    AT&T: doesn’t appear as though they offer that
    Sprint: 40.00 (30.00 for the tethering and 10.00 for the “4G” service as only their 4G phones would have the capabilities)

    • J-Hop2o6

      damn thats rape

    • Vibrant Addict

      I really hope T-Mobile doesn’t charge prices like that. Maybe offer an unlimited data plan for $50, that has no cap?

  • Teaike

    I don’t understand what the fuss is for. Tmobile is just saying that they don’t support it. They are not going to offer it for free. That would b stupid because they sell mobile broadband and who would buy mobile broadband if they offer tethering for free. If u use your phone for tethering they won’t know. And with the data cap, your data is still
    unlimited so u can’t argue that it isn’t. All of these carriers r still a business at the end of the day and are out to make money.

    • 2FR35H

      Actually yes you can argue that the plans aren’t unlimited.

      For the sole reason that after 5gb’s they slow your speeds down to around 56kbps rendering any smartphone web browsing or downloading inoperable. Smartphones require a certain speed for them to work properly. You can’t offer a data cap and call it unlimited just because a few kbs go through that is unethical business.

      • mtnman

        56Kbps is dial-up. If I wanted dial up I’d still be in the 90’s.

      • Ray

        Well,actually they limit you to EDGE speeds,which wouldn’t affect me at all,I don’t have 3g here,EDGE only. your theory is wrong.

  • nokiabrock

    Although this sucks for some of us. This is simply something Tmobile can’t enforce. Sure, they can strip the feature through OTA updates, and stop selling phones that tether. But at the end of the day, those of us who know how to hack, root, debrand, and crack our phones will be tethering effortlessly. All of a sudden Tmo seams to be concerned about data use. Why? My guess is that they’re about to launch a phone (iPhone) or app (TmobileTV) that is expected to be a data pig and don’t want to experience the data problem AT&T did when they launched the iPhone.

    • mtnman

      nokiabrock: That was my guess a few days back as well. With Samsung Media Hub as well as Tmo TV coming online, they want to throttle back the data limit and keep tethering out of reach. The amount of money their spending on HSPA+ network is costing them millions and they’re looking at Q4 sales. I suspect that they may do tethering in late Q1 early Q2.

    • Riopato

      Interesting theory guys. Let’s hope the content is worth the lack of service. Shame that others have to suffer in order to service new customers and new features.

  • blktalon

    I vented about this on the t mobile forum. I got bashed to hell and back. I agree that they shouldn’t charge if you stay under your 5 gig cap using the native feature of froyo. Why do you think that they have pushed back the froyo on the vibrant and others capable of near hspa speeds?Maybe because there is no nand protection on those phones and the majority won’t root or install different roms. This is a way to differentiate themselves from the other carriers, not join them. And as I said before maybe pull some customers away and sell some high end phones and data plans. There are a lot of us that stay with t mobile for the value and service, if you start acting like the other douche companies people will move for better coverage, different phones, etc. Just my .02.

    • J-Hop2o6

      what did they say when u brought up “it should be fine if u stay under your data cap” ?

  • So, I have a question for you guys. I was curious to see my data usage so I checked my last bill online. In the summary it shows 0mb used of unlimited. Naturally that’s not right so I checked detailed usage and found what I expected: about 150mb+ every day (I stream Pandora all day long at work). So, why isn’t it being shown on my monthly bill summary, and is it still counting toward my 10gb (or 5gb now) limit?

    • J-Hop2o6

      shows the same for me, but below shows the TIME & MB of usage.. i don’t know why my.t-mobile.com doesn’t show the TOTAL usage.. they show my total on my paper bill, but not online for some reason..

      • Well, yeah, same here. It shows ~58mb about 3 times per day, so I’m using quite a bit I guess! Anyway, why doesn’t it show in the overall usage? Also, I’m on the EM+ $59 plan and it says it includes BlackBerry unlimited data. Does it just show Blackberry by default for everybody or does it show that because I had a Bold 9000 when I got on the plan?

      • J-Hop2o6

        58MBx3/day? thats low.. i tether, so i use alot.. and im not sure why the overall usage doesn’t work.. tmo needs to fix that.

      • Well, considering I don’t tether at all, I figured that’s not bad for just the phone. Besides, at 58mb x 3 x 30days, that’s over 5gb per month already; forget tethering. Now granted, I don’t actually use that much every day. Some days I listen to my own music, or FM radio, or w/e, but if I get a new phone, say, the MT4g and start video chatting over 3g(+), well, then that usage could actually increase, and I will be getting close to going over the 5gb.

        Doesn’t make sense to me that they are enhancing networks to allow for more data usage, while at the same time restricting said data usage. Seems counter-productive.

    • Dennis

      If you go to the last page of “data,” it will show the total data that you have used from the new billing cycle.

      • J-Hop2o6

        we’re talking about the current cycle.. not the last cycle.. they show that to me in my paper summary.

  • ninjablur

    just use pdanet or easy tether from the market,or wait for root

    TMO cant stop the machine

  • Christian

    Why would they care if we tether or not?! If they apply the the 5GB thorttling policy, then people who tether will notice it right away that everything starts slowing down… isn’t that enough deterrent to not use the phone as a modem too much, use it only to get emails for your laptop or see websites in a bigger screen as an option?

  • adam

    that’s dumb! why would they have it on the windows phone then if they don’t want us to use it? geez…

  • mingkee

    If official tethering feature is free, it’s gonna be a killer feature.

    • mingkee

      Forgot to mention, it should be free with smartphone/bb/android internet, and charge a small fee with web2go basic.

  • some internet dude

    Been tethering since day one screw you tmo. long leave Cyanogen.

  • George

    Simple solution: Don’t be a pig.

    There is nothing in the Bill of Rights which guarantees unlimited broadband. It won’t be a problem if you use common sense, but if you attempt to use a tethered phone as a replacement for a DSL or cable modem to “save money”, you’ll exceed your 5 gb cap and be throttled.

    Occasional use shouldn’t cause anyone alarm. Daily use for streaming video and the like will most likely put someone into the penalty box before the end of the billing month.

  • Walter

    Ok. So tmobile wants to dictate how I am using the data that they are providing me. The contract does not say that once you buy a smart phone that requires a data plan it can only be used on your phone. They WILL NOT be able to enforce this because it is not in the current agreement customers have signed to. These carriers are getting out of control. Im paying 30.00 dollars a month for what? I pay 42.00 dollars a month for comcast internet with a 250 gb cap. Tethering features are part of what make a SMART PHONE SMART. You cannot offer phones with internet sharing capabilities (TP2, HD2) and then say you do not support it. The reasons why I have stayed with tmobile for years are becoming less and less by the second. They are no longer distancing themselves, but rather giving customers reasons to go elsewhere at the same price and restrictions on a BETTER NETWORK. I pay for 5gb of data a month and I will do what I want with it.

    • some internet dude

      HIP HIP hooray, could not have said it better myself.

    • chaoscentral

      Ummm actually the contract does say you can not tether or use the internet on another device…

      I do agree that the tethering should be part of the 5GB throttle cap, and I really hope they go that way. But as it stands now, since they offered smartphone data, it has been stated that you can not use data on any other device by tethering or modem.

      Just because you didnt read the contract doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

    • mtnman

      We were paying $30 a month for 10Gbs of data. Now were still paying $30 a month for half that. Who altered the contract? Not me, Tmo!

    • George

      Walter, wipe the spittle from your chin and admit you have no idea what your TOS said when you signed your agreement. Companies like Verizon, T-mobile and the rest have the right in their contract to alter and amend the agreement, needing only to provide prior notice.

      But in this case, they aren’t even changing the agreement–they’re simply giving notice of intent to enforce their rights which were already in place.

      Next time you claim to have read your contract, it would help you if you really had read it first.

  • SirJakeyJake

    When I bought the T-Mobile Wing (and then upgraded to the Touch Pro2), the store I bought them from very specifically and emphatically assured me that tethering was allowed, just not supported. That’s the only reason I changed to T-Mobile, actually. :|

  • al alson

    This is coming to you from a tethered G2.

    There’s always a way !!

  • MJ

    I can tether just fine on the Nexus One. T-mobile needs to be more flexible. Especially now with the soft cap.

  • 2FR35H

    Why are my comments always awaiting moderation?

    • Andrew

      all comments need to be moderated, it’s a WordPress thing. We mostly just check for spam and, in the rarest of occasions, edit

  • 2FR35H

    Nevermind this one isn’t.

  • ctk

    Lots of misinformation going on here. First, unlike the other carriers, going over the limit only gets you throttled back. The other ones will either cut you off or charge extra. Which would you rather have?

    Second, unless tethering is your only high speed option what is the problem here? It’s good to have in a pinch which is what most are using it for. Besides if there are apps which will tether for android, they can’t stop it anyway.

    • Scott

      Agreed. T-Mobile did not add this to their Terms of Service recently, it’s nothing new that they just decided to pop on the customers unannounced. Tethering has not been supported by T-Mobile for as long as I have been a customer (at least 5 years now). With the evolution of phones, upgrades in speeds, changes in rate plans, etc, there are more and more people out there using smart phones and eating up bandwidth. T-Mobile is only re-emphasizing what has been their policy for years. I’m sorry, but if you didn’t read the terms of your contract prior to signing up then you have no right to be mad. Additionally, as far as I can tell, T-Mobile would almost have to literally catch you in the act of tethering in order to prove you are doing it. So if you have a way to do it then by all means continue. Just don’t be surprised when T-Mobile decides to enforce a policy that has been their right to enforce since you signed your contract.

      • SirJakeyJake

        Perhaps it’s an issue (with me, anyway) where the store personnel don’t know what they’re talking about? (Nearly four years, and have been told specifically that the phones I get will allow me to tether, without any mention of it not being allowed.) It’s not nearly an issue these days (not like even a year ago), but still…I live in area where tethering is just about a necessity.

  • BeerBellyBilly

    HSPA+ tethered over BlueTooth ain’t half bad. What are we going to see now, authentication denials on TMobile’s gateways unless we pay additional fees? Free tethering is the only reson I came to TMobile from Verizon, so hey, if TMo is going to suck blood for the privilige, I may as well go back to the Big Red blood-sucking V. This is enough to make me wanna knock heads.

    There is a thread on the TMobile G2 forums suggesting the surcharge will be $15/mo. Fifteen for exactly what I can do now for nothing over standard data charge is the pits.

    • Vibrant Addict

      At least one person understands the possible scenarios.

      ‘authentication denials on TMobile’s gateways unless we pay additional fees’

      I can already picture the message popping up when I try to tether on my Vibrant in coming weeks/months. Oh joy. Or else they’ll go ahead and just block any use of Samsung Kies with the 2.2 update.

      • some internet dude

        Ok so everyone root there devices and your all set to tether till your hearts content.

  • Tmogeek

    T- Mobile’s website could do with a redesign. The only way to see total data use was to look at the previous month. I’m running close to the 5Gb limit so I guess I’ll expect occasional throttling.

  • Spokker

    Interesting that they do not permit tethering since I do it occasionally. I have a Google Nexus One phone with T-Mobile service and when the cable Internet goes out, I will stream Netflix by connecting my Wii to the phone’s mobile hot spot function. It works very well and the video is DVD quality.

    Since tethering is such an issue, why would they allow me to subscribe to their service?

    • Spokker

      Note that I did not have to modify the phone to enable tethering or the mobile hot spot function. They allow the phone on their network and I’m going to use all of the features I paid for. Simple as that.

  • abe

    wow.a lot of people commented on this cool. check this out. I tethered till the cap then I received a txt stating your internet is being throttled. then my internet shut down.yo I lost ALL THE PICS AND MOVIES on my storage card. took it to two IT guys and both said yea have to format it to have it work again. and yes it was the first time. and no my device is not broken. have been trying to get some resolution. o.o.contract….HD2. love the phone but need some help. any way just venting.

    • JB6464

      Call customer service and tell them you want a new phone now. It does’nt work and you can’t use it so you want a replacement that does work.
      Tmo may throttle it but they can’t make your phone a brick.
      If everyone started sending their phones back in for replacement when this happens then Tmo would have a bigger problem.

  • jutecat

    tmobs never supported tethering, never.
    get over it.
    what they dont know won’t hurt them though :)

    • mingkee

      And they can remote wipe your computer if they want to if you tether! right?

  • Walter

    If tmobile has never supported tethering then they should not have tethering options available on certain handsets. This is contradicting yourself. Just like they put that stupid bloatware on there phones like avatar, transformers, and useless apps like mobi tv that doesnt work properly; they could have easily removed internet sharing app from the HD2. I call FOUL.

  • Rob

    If you are complaining about this then why don’t you start your own network. This stuff costs money and you think that you are entitled to have everything but you don’t want to pay what you are supposed to for it. The people that are complaining about this are the people that want to have a date device but don’t want to have to pay the price to get on the web. All you want to do is cheat the system because you are “ENTITLED”. The reason that they are not allowing this is so that you don’t start crying and complaining that your smart phone is not slow on while you are on the web on your phone, that is what you are paying for is the internet on your phone, not to run your computer.

    • Spokker

      How is using your phone and plan’s features “cheating?” T-Mobile has complete control over their network and the phones they offer and if they wanted to eliminate tethering they could do that. They could also not advertise 4G speeds and bandwidth intensive applications.

    • JB6464

      We are Entitled if the phone i bought, HD2 , has the tethering manufactured (built-in)in it and T-Mobile sells it, and the T-Mobile manager at the Corporate store states that Windows Mobile devices can be used to tether on my T-Mobile plan when i bought the phone. If not, then i was Lied To and and should be refunded my $450.00 purchase for the phone.

  • Riopato

    Tethering works fine on my Dash 3G and on my sis’s HD2 so what’s the big deal?

    • 313dash

      Thank you! They already sell phones that come with tethering so whats the big deal!

  • D Griffin

    The big deal is that they’re not charging us through the nostrils like everybody else, and they’re probably worried that if they don’t disallow tethering, the new 4G network will get crushed ala’ iPhone.

    • Riopato

      I can understand the whole issue with burdening the network if they allow it but I believe that a small percentage actually tether and the whole tethering debate is a non issue. Not everybody lugs around their laptop and to those that do should be better off using a wireless broadband card. If the carriers just wise up and truly promote their wireless broadband either by offering really fast speeds or cheaper rates, they won’t have to worry of burdening their phone network. And for the few that do use their phones as modems, they should have that luxury as a free service. It’s not that they are going to use it like regular broadband, it’s still too slow for pc surfing. Also the fastest connection you can possibly get is via windows mobile and active sync when tethering! And winmo is dead anyway. Even tethering via blackberry is like using dsl at 128k at most!
      I’d rather see phones with built in mifi like technology! This way carriers can attach wireless broadband service into cellular accounts instead of having two separate accounts. Again, they need to have cheaper rates to make this work. Who can afford a $100/mo cellular service and have an additional $60/mo broadband service on top!

      • Justin

        uhh have you heard of the Droid X, Facsinate Droid 2 etc? these provide MIFI experience for 20 extra per month.

      • Michael Lococo

        I had a power outage a few weeks ago and the kids were bored waiting for it to come back on… I fired up my 18.5″ laptop and tethered to my HD2… we were streaming Netflix in 1080p just fine for a couple of hours before the power came back. I’m sure it is much greater than 128k… Must be the blackberry. Windows Mobile was made for this… tethering is second nature.

  • orge

    does that mean PdaNet will not be allowed as well???

    • Darnell

      Looks like they are “saying” it’s not, but they’re not saying they’ll dump you if you use it. You’ve got the 5GB data limit.

  • Darnell

    If they didn’t want anyone to tether, they should not have included an app on the HD2 that does it.

    • Riopato

      That’s not an app on the HD2. That’s a built in feature for all windows mobile devices.

    • JB6464

      And when they originally sold the TP2 and HD2 the Corporate Manager stated you can tether with those phones. Even when i called CS @ T-Mobile they said if i have a Windows Mobile phone i could tether. They don’t support it, but won’t cancel your plan for doing it either.

  • Spokker

    Apparently the next big thing is 3G/4G in cars, in that your car is going to have a sim card so you can listen to Internet radio and put on video in the backseat for the kids. Enjoy it for 5 days per month.

    Why are these companies promoting such bandwidth intensive activities when they clearly can’t handle it?

  • BobbyPhoenix

    Nexus One works well with it. Use it sometimes, but not a lot. Hmm. I wonder if they know that?

    • Riopato

      That’s a good point! How can they possibly know weather you are tethering or not!?! Smartphone’s appeal is that you can do stuff on it as if you can do it on a computer! What’s the difference between using skyfire or oprea and going into a flash site on your phone instead of using you laptop and regular browser? It’s the same info being transfered.

      • Edward351

        Its unlikely that they can tell you are tethering. What will probably happen is a lower data cap, or different capped data plans ala AT&T and Verizon. That’s why the cap was probably recently lowered; all the new Vibrant users plus the G2 with faster access is probably consuming a lot more data than the network previously had to push. They can’t tell how you are using so much data, they can just tell that you are using so much data which will effect pricing. Right now if you want the data only service that comes with a data only device it’s $40/mo with the crappy 5GB throttling cap. You basically get a $10 discount by getting it with a phone. I think they’re trying to get that $10 back even if you already have a phone device.

  • breakdown

    If anyone had actually read the ‘terms and conditions’ on their tmo data plan…. they haven’t officially allowed tethering for a long time. Hopefully the new data cap is the only thing that changes… no way i’m paying for some lame, crippled tethering package

    • some internet dude

      just root your phone and tether all you want, they cant even update your phone if they wanted too. no way to prove you are tethering.

      sent from tethered Nexus One, now with 720p vid and FM tuner. Android Rules.

      • Jake

        People like you streaming 720p videos caused this whole thing.

  • swampthing81

    Thy can tell if your tethering ask a verizon employee they can tell u cause they charge u extra 10 dollars a month to do it and don’t lie to people about tetthering only has a speed of 128k cause we don’t use edge any more ever herd of 3G it supports speeds in my area in austin of 1.18Mbps and I know we arnt the fastest in the nation. They already have me mad about the data caps if they charge for this I’m leaving tmobile

    • JB6464

      No They can’t at T-Mobile. All they see is data being used from their network to your device. They know how your using but they can’t see what your doing,only the amount being used.
      If you stay under the 5GB cap which is what your Now able to use,there shoud’nt be any problems. But we’ll see.

    • PittsburghG1

      They can’t tell. The only reason Verizon can do that is because people use the VZ Connect or whatever. So Verizon can tell because you are using their software.

      If you are using PdaNet or a rooted device, there is no way to tell. Data is data.

    • Jess

      No joke on the speed! I tethered with my HD2 for the entirety of the World Cup, and the slowest speed I ever had was 1.5MB. Usually I was around 2.5-3MB. Very smooth streaming of video! I’m in OKC, so we have a pretty good network around here.

  • Geek On The Road

    Take a look at the iPhone bashing ad in another TmoNews post. It clearly shows “Act as a WiFi hotspot” – if that is not another form of tethering, then what is? So it is coming!!!

    • yasuya

      the post to which you are refering was a t-mobile internal memo, not an official ad yet. i’m guessing that it was created without knowledge of the new oct 13th published tethering not allowed development. but yes they do contradict one another. unless t-mo is planning on bringing it back with the launch of the mytouch hd as an officially supported (read charged) service with a proprietary app by which they moniter tethering use. I’ll stick with rooting and using mobileap once cyanogen supports it, because as many have already stated. they have no idea how youre using your data unless you are using one of their apps which reports to them how you are using it. It annoys the crap out of me though that they are going to start charging for it. when i first contracted with t9-mobile back in 2005 it was because they had the cheapest rates and didnt charge for tethering and infact had a device configuration section on their website to help you set up your compatible device as a modem. Granted, modern tethering is somewhat different, if they end up not being any cheaper than Sprint because of a new type of charge i would encure, i’ll drop them like their hot, and get the epic which rather than the g2 or new mytouch(hd)because with that device, i dont have to choose between a front facing camera and faster clockspeed (yes i know it isnt everything) or a physical keyboard. in fact the epic’s keyboard looks better to me than that of the g2 because it has 5 rows instead of 4. sorry for the rant guys, but basically t-mobile, if you charge me extra to tether, you can kiss my a** goodbye.

      • yasuya

        t-mo, not t9-mobile sorry bout that.

      • T-Mobile

        Sure you’ll leave.

  • Geek On The Road

    As long as a carrier offers true unlimited data, I can understand their need to limit the activities. But when a cap is introduced that necessity goes away, as does the morality of charging for tethering or creating a hotspot.

    • yasuya


  • Michael Lococo

    What the heck? I’ve been tethering with T-Mobile for 6 years… although it is infrequent it is an important feature for me… I have based my personal purchasing on this feature. I used to tether using my Motorola Razor via blue tooth and it worked quite well. I don’t do a lot of downloading while tethered, mostly just RDP to the office network to reboot a server or check a process. I must say this seems like they just want to push their USB device as an additional line for this purpose. You know this was one of the features I checked for when I bought my data service… and yes they said it was included.

  • Justin

    You guys, this has been the policy. And yet they still allow phones like the Nexus (native) and The Galaxy (kies) and Blackberrys (desktop manager) to tether. I think if you get thousands of employees letting the “cat out of the bag” then they would have to worry.

    My point is, Verizon disabled kies in the Fascinate, why would T-Mobile not do the same?? They have the right to but for some reason did not. Unless they are oblivious! Doubt that.

    • JB6464

      What is “Kies in the Fascinate” ?

      • podstolom

        It’s something Verizon doesn’t want you to know about lol. The galaxy phones have a desktop manager called Kies that they can synch to, and also allows them to tether. Windows Mobile, Blackberry, and HTC have similar programs (ActiveSync, DesktopManager, HTC Sync) and you attach your phone to these programs through USB Connect options on your phone. I’m a WinMo user, so my Dash3G uses ActiveSync which also allows me to tether through the Internet sharing app on my phone. Technically the syncing feature isn’t necessary to tether, but these applications install PPP(Dialup mode) and NDIS (Network mode) support on the PC which allows tethering to work. Once tethering is enabled, syncing is disabled and restored when tethering is disconnected.

        Verizon disabled Kies as a USB connect option on the Fascinate (I checked that out first thing at a store) but on the TMo vibrant the Kies option is there. Problem is, Kies (and HTC Sync) are both funky pieces of work and are pretty lousy as sync/tether programs go from what I’ve heard. So you are probably better off if you have the Fascinate just to pay the $20 bucks and use VZW Access manager instead which supplies the needed PPP/NDIS support for tethering. Or use PDANet or whatever. I did notice, however, that on the HTC incredible, HTC Sync IS available in the USB connect options. VZW forgot to cripple that one lol.

  • Mike

    When I bought my original Sony/Ericsson T68 from Tmobile years ago, the rep in the store was tethering his personal laptop thru his basic samsung phone right in the store. My next phone was a Tmobile SDA(windows mobile phone)—tethering worked like a charm when I bought a laptop and traveled, albeit slowly, but it got the job done that I needed-checking emails,news,sports, etc. For all you people that try to only use your tethered phone for internet access..too damn bad..it’s not intended for you to do ALL of the things people use internet for unlimited data at a cheap cost. You want total broadband access on your laptop, buy a damn plan for it and stop whining.

    • JB6464

      Why should we when we are already buying 5GB a month on our plans.
      Data is Data,period. How i use it should be up to me.
      Why should T-Mobile sell smart phones with all the high-tech software to us,then say we can’t use half of it it.
      Either let us use it or lock the new phones down like the other big 3 does but don’t tell me in the Corporate Store from a Store Manager it’s ok to tether with a WM phone then months later say it’s not allowed. BS !

  • JB6464

    Wow,that’s sneaky of Verizon to do that.
    Thanks for that info.
    Glad I’m on T-Mobile and not Verizon with my HD2(without contract). I can tether and everything with 3G+ speeds with issues so long as i don’t go over the 5GB cap.

  • JB6464

    I mean with No Issues.

  • I tether all the time on my N900. In my area (Fort Lauderdale) I get an average of 5.9mbps. That’s faster than my stupid Comcast internet! I got my mom a Vibrant and installed custom Froyo so she could tether to her laptop at her house to get to Dancing With The Stars and what ever else mom’s in their late 60’s watch or do on the internet. She pays significantly less to have both a smartphone and internet access at her house without having to add xFinity or uVerse to her pile of bills. T-Mobile should be so happy that she decided to pay them an extra $25 a month instead of $25 to Comcast for the exact same service!
    People keep defending the right of carriers to protect themselves from people using their networks. Is that not the sole purpose of their business? Voice calls are essentially Data, SMS MMS is just data, automatic update of the phone’s date/time is freakin’ data. Did they not expect that people would use their towers, devices, network, etc. for data? Did they not anticipate that data usage would increase year after year? I feel like the largest networks in the world act like “make a couple calls, send a few texts, use an app or two-then stop; you’re a burden on our network”.
    I am concerned T-Mobile will not become like AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint and either charge you extra for an app that’s built into the device or cancel your account if they ‘catch’ you tethering.
    T-Mobile has one of the saddest selections of devices of any carrier because of their choice for non-carrier-uniform AWS 3G bands and also not partnering with manufacturers for high end (instead of mid-range) devices. So I believe we deserve the right to tether without an extra fee. If T-Mobile doesn’t want to offer its valued customers extra services, we could just switch to a carrier that offered a beast of a device like EVO, DroidX, Epic, or iPhone.
    Please keep us updated on this story, TMONEWS…

  • I just got off the phone with T-Mobile and they told me the following: Because I have a Blackberry, I will not be charged for tethering (grandfather plan), and the data speeds are capped after 5gb since i have the original unlimited plan. They did mention they will not be walking anyone through it via 611 anymore however. So basically if you can tether already, it is allowed

    • doug

      And that im perfectly fine with! if you’re too lazy or stupid to google how to tether, then quite frankly you dont deserve to use it

      • yasuya

        also Like

  • Jak Crow

    And yet, tmobile’s advertising for the mytouch hd plugs it’s ability to “create a wifi hotspot”. That’s what we call tethering people.

  • Even if T-Mo has a “we reserve the right to change this contract by providing written notice ahead of time” clause in our contracts, does the fact that they give us this written notice give us, as users, the ability to cancel our contract without ETF’s per federal law passed in 2004, if we don’t agree to the change?

    • Rubinz

      Very valid question. Sprint changes their terms quite often and people leave after the changes with no ETF due to Sprint changing the contract after the fact that you signed it.

      My question was the same as yours, because when the manager at the local T-Mobile store sold me the BB Bold 9700 last December he was very adamant about me being allowed to tether with no extra fee. He also used the same sales tactic when I went in to ask them about the Nexus One before I bought it for the contract rate. Free tethering was the key selling talking point he used to get me on board.

  • Jim March

    OK, this is officially insane.

    The *stores* have all been saying Tmobile is at least tether-tolerant. I have the oldest Tmobile 3G phone, the Sony-Ericsson TM506. It’s not tether-blocked. I’ve been able to get speeds close to what I was getting with a Verizon datacard – and the phone was able to do voice calls while I was connected. It was a very happy thing and no, I wasn’t going anywhere near 5gb/mo, it’s not my primary connection.

    So basically, instead of paying Verizon $60/mo for the datacard (capped at 10gb/mo with my older plan) and $80/mo for unlimited voice (and a much larger coverage area on both than Tmobile), I’ve been paying Tmobile $70/mo for unlimited voice/text and $10/mo extra for data. Saved money over Verizon, but lost a lot of coverage area. I was OK with that on balance. (Paid $60 cash for the phone at a pawn shop, LOL…so at least I’m not on a long-term contract.)

    Now Tmobile is cracking down on tethering? God…dammit. If they do they’re killing off the only reason I went with them. If they want me to pay a bunch extra to do data, well hell, it’s not worth it, because their coverage area blows chunks compared to Verizon or Sprint.

    Frackin’ idiots.

  • daryl

    here in the UK t-mobile allow customers to pay a premium to tether.

    from memory I think it equates to about 40% of the cost of the web’n’walk.

    I am happy to pay the premium but realise that it would be difficult for them to cotton on if I was tethering unofficially.

    That said I have been tethering via bluetooth since before gprs.