Android Info Galore!


Patient TmoNews readers, may we present to you, the HTC Kila, errr we mean HTC Dream, or the G1, aka the first android handset ever! When we posted this rumor a couple days ago, we had our fingers crossed. Now with visual confirmations, this is all set in stone, give or take approval of the handset by the FCC. Keep in mind that the iPhone was approved 1 day before releasel. We have confirmed that the Android device will be available for current T-mobile customers online, for pre-sales, on September 17th. The Pre-sale will last for one week, with the device being delivered on October 13th, which happens to be the national public launch of the device. Get this, a “current” T-mobile customer only has to be a T-mobile customer for 24 hours to be eligible for the upgrade. This is where details get a little fuzzy; we cannot tell if the phone will sell for $149.99 to all customers, regardless of upgrade eligibility, or for $149.99 to those customers only eligible for a full upgrade (there is also the possibility it will sell for $99). Regardless, we do know that the HTC Kila will sell for $50 more then pre-sale price when it is released nationally on October 13th. You want more? Well the Kila will come with 2 data plan options: Unlimited data and 400 messages, or Unlimited data and unlimited messages. Prices will be in the $35 range, which seem more then fair to us, especially considering both plans will be free for the first week (pre-sale customers only). With multiple upcoming touchscreen phones, both with 3G AND Wifi, two 5 megapixal phones, the Kickstart, national 3G, and many more devices all being released by 2009, things have been definitely been looking up for the smallest national carrier in the U.S. (Quiet down Alltel, we said national ). Here are the specs on the HTC Kila:

· Touch Screen

· Full Qwerty keyboard

· 3G/ WiFi

· Full HTML internet capabilities

· Easy access to all Google applications (Gmail, Gtalk, search)

· Maps

· Street view

· YouTube

· Phone

· IM/Text

· Email

· Camera 3.0mp; no flash

· Video (playback only, no recording)

· Music player & 1GB memory card pre-loaded

· Applications, all available in Google marketplace (icon on the homescreen)

  • Nikolas

    Will they pull an att and MAKE you pay for the plan?

  • Orlando Reyes

    No video recording? I’m pretty sure someone will come up with a good video recording program.

  • Shader

    So how does this work on a family plan? Ass rapeage? And can’t wait to see the google marketplace.

  • Jimbo831

    Yes, like ATT and every other cell phone company, you must add the data plan to purchase the device. While I’m disappointed and surprised video won’t be included (why not an immediate leg up on the iPhone?) I’m sure someone will make an app that does it for you. If the central core functions of the phone are as accessible as Google has claimed, it shouldn’t be too difficult.

  • Spoklahoma

    Where’s the visual confirmation you mentioned?

  • goCubs

    darn it.. so no GPS? that’s a big bummer

  • Victor

    Kinda ugly, not in the same league as the HTC Touch Diamond.

  • Shawn

    We’re not sure that there isn’t GPS. There would definitely be some great apps to support GPS. In addition…T-mobile plans to have a lot of their upcoming phone support GPS so I wouldn’t be surprised if it did end up having it.

  • timmyjoe42

    Isn’t the AT+T data plan only $30?

    Does “T-mobile customers” include prepaid ones willing to sign a contract?

  • Javy

    are you serious no video recording or flash.And not GPS Its going to be just like the sidekick but for grown ups. (Sigh!!!!) None for me. not anymore. Thanks for keeping peple update TMONEWS.

  • Sunny

    So.. Is this the only news update.. Not saying I am not happy, But just wondering if there was something else.. are their any better pics

  • 35

    In the $35 range! I get the same thing, unlimited everything except voice, for only $19.99 on my Sidekick. Maybe cause its 3G it’ll cost more. No video recording is a surprise and no flash. All well. I can’t wait till the 17th

  • Kphil

    So I’m going to be extending my contract by 2 years if I change from my sk data plan to this? Well 35 isn’t bad. I don’t know if I should wait for the next sk or just go to this because they seem to make the sk a few years behind. But with the recent jump from id to 2008 I wonder what the jump from the lx will be like. Debating on waiting or going for this.

  • sunny

    I might pass on this phone..

  • Spoklahoma

    Also, did the visual confirmations you received confirm that the Black prototype handset is actually the final product?

  • timmyjoe42

    Oh, and does wifi mean UMA?

  • Jimbo831

    That list of specs isn’t necessarily every single spec the phone has. It may still have features like GPS and Flash. Google has made a huge deal of the GPS integration into Android and a ton of the top 50 programs use GPS so I would be very surprised if it doesn’t support GPS. Also, T-Mobile has promised this to be the best consumer web browsing experience and that would have to include flash in my opinion (although everyone’s favorite iPhone doesn’t have flash and I haven’t seen many complaints about their web browser.)

  • goCubs

    I will have to re-configure my current plan in order to make up for that hefty data plan but what the heck.. I’m in.

  • jake

    this phone sounds amazing! But will there be UMA/hotspot@home shawn?

  • ess

    gps is the deal breaker for me, so hopefully it does have it

  • Jimbo831

    @Timmyjoe, the ATT data plan includes NO text messaging. If you get unlimited text for that price that is a WAY better deal. Right now the T-Mobile plan is $20 for data and $15 for unlimited text, so it sounds like maybe their combinging to two into one package for this phone.

  • brian

    This phone looks ugly. I guess no upgrade for me this year. Hope Nokia will come up with some N series phone that supports AWS.

  • Oreo

    IT is going to have gps. The main part of all the google apps and conferences have been dealing with gps. Thanks tmonews for your work.

  • Shawn

    Wifi does mean UMA.

    First 3G UMA phone for T-mobile ever!

  • dave

    That’s really strange that it won’t be available for employees because what’s going to happen when customers come in with questions about the phone? Are we just gonna have to say “I don’t know.”?

  • Victor

    It must have GPS, otherwise Google Maps and Streetview are pointless.

  • Jimbo831

    The Presale isn’t available to employees Dave, but the people who order the phone during presale won’t be getting it until it launches nationally on 10/13. At that point us employees can go online and order it. Sure we’ll get it a few days later then people who preorder or buy at store on launch day, but that’s the same it’s always been unfortunately. I always wish they’d give us an upgrade option of going to the store and still getting our discount so we can get exciting phones like this at launch.

  • Orlando Reyes

    I was starting to be hesitant because a data plan with text messaging is a waste when I have the $9.99 family messaging plan but UMA is a real seller for me.

  • J

    About the GPS, I would tend to believe that ther will be GPS in almost all upcoming 3G phones. I took a internal T-Mobile course just last week (this is a course developed internally by T-Mobile for T-Mobile employees). In the course, it mentioned why we were only overlaying 3G coverage and not having areas with 3G only coverage. The reasoning is that we would not be E911 compliant because the emergency locating equipment is connected to our GSM network. The solution, as stated in the course, was that 3G would use A-GPS built internally on the handsets to overcome this issue. Thus, 3G phones should probably have GPS capabilities in the near future.

  • Godzilla

    I hope that the data with 400 text is $20, while unlimited messaging with data is $35. Or it could be that the data plan with 400 text is $25 (unlimited data = $20 and 400 texts = $5).

  • timmyjoe42

    only 1gb? Come on, the iPhone has 8 and 16gb. How do they expect to compete with such lower capacities?

  • goCubs

    Did I just hear that T-Mo customers who order the phone during the pre-sale event will NOT get the phones until national launch day?? I truly hope that’s wrong.

  • Orlando Reyes

    I can live with $25, maybe. $35, no. It took me a lot to get the $20 data plan (very broke college student).

  • Daniel

    GPS??? where is the GPS?

  • DaveW

    Hey guys, great to see your back up. The android info is awesome, i was wondering if you have any idea as to how much memory the phone will be able to support

  • Daniel

    ATT is $30 but does not include texting. $35 with 200 text. T-mobile will still be better at $35 with 400 text.

  • mingkee

    hopefully I just add any400 along with current VPN
    I wouldn’t let go of my current data in order to get G1

  • Victor

    It was rumored that this phone would be available unlocked a week after the US launch, do you guys know if this is true?

  • Jimbo831

    @Timmyjoe “only 1gb? Come on, the iPhone has 8 and 16gb. How do they expect to compete with such lower capacities?”

    After this second post, I get it now. You are an Apple fan trying to crash the part. Go read a little more carefully this time. It comes preloaded with a built in 1GB memory card. If you want to buy a larger one, you can end up with as much memory as you want.

    You will not receive it in the mail until the launch day as stated in the post. Sorry, but by preordering you get a better price, but don’t get the phone sooner then everyone else.

    It sounds to me like you would definitely need to change your data plan mingkee. When you purchase the phone, you are required to add the data feature set up specifically for this phone.

  • dennigir

    is that the actual picture of the phone?

  • Greg

    i think the no flash comments refer to the camera and not web flash support .

    almost 95 percent sure it hs gps, hopefully it wil have assistance (turn by turn nav)

    also got to agree its fugly compared to every other phone released/announced by anybody recently

  • Spike B

    So what’s the cheapest way to become a customer? Does a pay as you go phone count?

  • Kirk L

    As for the upgrade availability, if you only have to be a TMO customer for only 24 hours to get the upgrade price, I just bet that the longer you have been a customer the cheaper the price will be, and then they will just bump you up to a 2-year contract no matter how long you have left on your current contract.

    Also, glad you guys are back online, it’s great to have you up again!!

  • suhaib

    hey does anyone have any information on the resolution of the screen? could you imagine qvga? i wouldnt even accept whats on the blackberry bold and javelin 440×320

  • Jimbo831

    Pay as you go won’t count Spike. You will have to be a tmobile monthly contract customer to qualify for the presale. You may end up being correct about that Kirk, but right now it seems like the price is going to be the same regardless of how long you’ve been with T-Mobile or how long since you last upgraded. At least for the presale, it seems like they plan on just doing a set price for all existing customers. Outside of the presale, I imagine that T-Mobile would revert to their usual upgrade program, but they want to get as many of these preordered as possible to hype up the device and create a huge buzz around it.

  • dean

    any idea if it will support exchange server?

  • So, to my understanding: the sale hasn’t been confirmed whether or not you need another upgrade to get the phone at $150, correct?

  • SheShe

    Im pretty sure it will have gps on it since theres mapys and streetview… im a little sad that theres no flash or video…:( but at least theres a memory card!! I still cant wait for it, it’ll be waaay better than my ancient sidekick 3!!

  • SheShe

    Oh yea and does anyone know if each person on the plan have to pay for the data plan?? i hope they have a cheaper one for families..hint hint…

  • mingkee

    if the special data service supports tethering (as well as G1 supports PAM) and provides ISP level service, I may go for it

  • Rob

    Love the news. It seems though has a new image of the dream that I have not seen before. Looks photoshopped though.

  • drivethruboy168

    Okay… to take my comment back from a front facing camera…. that is not now that i am done rushing to get ready for work. It’s the speaker! lol! My bad everyone! Still have my fingers crossed and whoever found! Your the best!

  • Fbarkon

    I’m not really tech savvy (but improving thanks to Tmonews, you should see the conversations my bf can have now) so I need help understanding a few things. How will we be able to download our own applications to this phone (if that’s what open source means)? Or will all these applications be available for a price in the Google marketplace? Will we be able to tether with this phone? do you think a GPS application will be able to be downloaded for the Dream?(It seems to me as developers will still be innovating even at the products launch). The flash thing is killing me, with a 3mp camera will light be reflected better to make up for the lack of flash? Sorry about all the questions but I warned you. Thanks

  • Orlando Reyes

    Are you saying hint hint because you know something or are you trying to give a hint to T-Mobile?

  • SheShe

    lol hinting to t-mobile

  • Drew

    This phone is going to be hot. Be prepared to log on first thing and buy one. Their going to go quick.

    I think there will be GPS. Everything has to do with GPS, so many applications being developed for Android tout it. It wouldn’t make sense for the first Android powered device not to have it.

  • Armo

    i bought a sidekick slide like less then a month ago with unlimited messaging and data plus the insurance. it got stolen at the mall like a week after i bought it. so i was wondering if i should just get the sidekick slide with the insurance or get this or the samsung tocco? and could i use my sidekick data plan on the tocco and G1?

  • arm&hammer

    well im looking to being an android fanboy and lawlz at “phone” under specs

  • VooDooVixen

    arm&hammer: I thought that phone part was funny too. You know we forget about that high tech feature sometimes.

    I really want this phone, especially since this price point will be a fantastic deal. I’m hoping for the 2+ year incentive as well so I can finally replace my sad sad phone. I must admit that its not a beauty pageant winner, but something about the wording of it “matching up” (referring to the NY times article) makes me think that the dohickys are in the right place, but its not exactly the way it looks. HTC makes pretty phones, so I’m sure they hired the best designers for this.

    I hate the whole have to have a data plan thing too, but if I can tether with my laptop, the price will be right.

    Fingers crossed.

  • T1 Connect

    aaaaaaaaaaahhhh shit you tmonews stop calling it the htc kila and start calling it “the real iphone kill switch” ya motha fuckaz are da fuckin best.

  • timmyjoe42

    I did read it closely that it came with a preloaded 1gb card. It doesn’t give the max capacity of sd card accepted. Buying a larger card increases the overall cost that one needs to shell out to make it comparable to the iPhone. I’m not an iPhone lover, in fact, I am an apple hater, but t-Mobile needs to release phones with specs that are better than the competition, not just ones that are close and slightly less.

    Sandisk effectively competes with iPods, by releasing devices that are better than the ipod at lower costs.

  • Greg

    This may sound strange, but what may make or break this phone vs. iphone is 3.5″ headphone jack. I have had more HTC mini-usb combo jacks go bad than I care. At $150 and $35 for data I just don’t see this as being that much better than the iphone.

  • Chuong

    What the heck HTC is thinking if it leaves out GPS/aGPS and video recording. At least the iPhone 3G has aGPS.

    Yeah I’m hoping that the data plan is in the $20 range instead of $35.

  • John D

    Does any one know if it will have a 3.5mm jack for head phones?

  • Lewis

    Well hello there Mr. Android!!!! And welcome to the US.

    Okay now ya’ll people need to stop bitc**n. If I am right some blackberrys cam out with oue GPS,Video Rec,Ect and a lot I mean a lot of those phones were sold “Like the BlackBerry Pearl” so come on let’s just chilax and wait for the upcoming versions.

    P.S. Now back to the Samsung “Taco”or “Takko” Lmao

  • mingkee

    about the dedicated data service
    it’s actually total internet plus messaging
    even it’s $35, it’ll have total internet and unlimited messaging

  • d1ony5u5

    Anyone with any info or comments about how much of a toll the tmo branding will take on the OS? i had a feature phone a few years ago that was horribly crippled by tmo. I hope the Dream will scape that fate…

  • Greg

    iPhone/Dream shootout, the way I see it so far (just for fun).

    Feature Winner
    Design& Look: Iphone
    Interface/OS: Tie (user preference, both are slick!)
    Screen Quality: Iphone? (Brightness, Auto-dim, etc.)
    GPS: Dream (assuming gps, street view wins)
    Accelerometer: Iphone
    3.5″ HP Jack: Iphone (ipod docs, no stupid HTC jacks)
    Camera: Dream
    Keyboard: Dream
    Music Player: Iphone
    Video Player: Tie?
    Web Surfing: Dream (bit of a stretch here)
    Other Apps: Iphone (more out now, strong dev support)
    App Flexibility: Dream (potential to do more)
    Total Cost: Tie (~$35 data on each)

    Iphone: 6
    Dream : 5

    I need something to tip the scales in favor of dream.

  • wolf

    Soooo when does the suncom deal go through and will it be in time to be able to pre-order?

  • g_patrick15

    Not sure if im willing to dump my $9.99 unlimited messages to get this phone. cause there may not be another chance to get that plan back

  • tvphil

    As for no video, I wouldn’t worry too much. The developers at Qik ( have already said they will act quickly to offer there live video streaming app for the first android phone. They already have a video streaming app for the iphone, it was released just a week after the 3g iphone debuted, so they work quickly (hence their name).Qik also captures all streams to your account to VOD, so you don’t have to fill your phone’s memory with video. Best of all, Qik is free, hopefully they will soon have an android app for us to download.By the way, for those unfamiliar with Qik, it’s pronounced “quick”, even though they spell it Qik.

  • Technology1

    No Video recording on this device, the DREAM, that’s a nightmare, that’s a Dream I done want to have.Just think, you get caught in a situation where you need to cam an emergency, but your phone cannot record video, that’s a bad Dream, a nightmare…………!

  • laurence

    will the $99/$149 upgrade price apply for FlexPay customers as well?
    Contractual FlexPay plan that is.

  • Jason

    @rob its actually a pic from one of the android videos released in march i believe where the actually had a full view of the phone

  • PhineasJW

    Google has been using this phone for its demos for months, calling it an ‘engineering prototype’. If this really is THE Android phone, then not only will it have GPS, but it will have a built-in compass as well. (

  • Pecoy

    damn..its too long of a wait till september and then until october..damn..

  • What if you already have the Total Internet Plan with the 1-year contract? I’m paying $20/month right now and non-contract price is $30/month. So, if they’re talking $35, I would assume they have a cheaper 1-year contract price for the new data plan too…. Hopefully. I was going to get unlimited txt plan anyway, but still.

    Also, 1 month til Sep 17! ;)

  • Jessica

    I agree…it is a bit ugly, not sleek like the HTC Diamond. Of course, I’ve only seen this one pic of it and the Youtube video of the ghastly white one…fingers crossed. But if I’m required to pay an extra $35 a month for it I may say no to it after all – maybe. I’d love to have a sleek touchscreen :) .

  • Khris

    not impressed at all, I thought this phone was going 2 improve the Iphone or the Instinct, but its a step back.

  • TH3 GAM3

    I hope that’s not the phone because its ugly.

  • bm2685

    The HTC Dream was supposed to be the same as the HTC Omni. The Omni was supposed to be the next update to the HTC Universal (sold under several other names) which was a top-end clamshell form factor phone with a flip and twist LCD. Many people liked the Universal and were looking forward to the next revision. It appears that they might have piggy backed onto the interest in the Omni and then pulled a bait-and-switch. I have been following the stories [rumors] on the Omni and if this is it then I am very disappointed. However, to HTC’c credit, these were mostly [all] rumors and the name of the device changed so many times that I could not hold HTC responsible. I just hope that HTC eventually comes out with another clamshell phone…and this time with Android !!

  • lp894

    how is $35 too much when for the total internet add-on it costs 20 and unlimited messaging is 15? add them together and you get…wait…$35!

  • Victor

    Oh well, we have to remember that Samsung is also part of the OHA and Android would look pretty sweet on the Omnia or the F480.

  • compu1

    I have been hearing about tmobile having a apps store is it true?

  • Ken

    Can anyone tell me, the $35 data plan for the Kila, is this required? I mean People at t-mobile said I could order it for 1 month and then if I don’t like it cancel the data plan. They said that their contracts only require that you be with them for 1 year, but not what plan you’re on?

    So will the phone work without the data plan? I mean it will still have wifi and I could access the web that way?

    The other thing is the phone does look kinda ugly on picture. I’d have to see it in person to see if I like it? Course for preorder they may not allow you to do this. I just really need a new phone and I don’t want one with WinMob/Symbian or other crappy OS. I’m hoping Android will be better since its linux based.

  • Lewis

    Well hello there Mr. Android.

    Welcome to the US!!!

    Okay now you’ll people need to stop complaining. If I am right some Blackberrys came out without GPS,Video Rec ect” and a lot I mean a lot of those phones were sold “Like the BlackBerry Pearl” so come on let’s just chilax and wait for the upcoming phones. Cause you never knows what’s coming.

    P.S. Now back to the Samsung “Taco”or “Tacco”

  • Oreo

    It would be nice if all the apple iphone lovers would get off this page and go to att. This garbage of complaining of the phone is ridiculous. If you don’t like it go to another website. If you like tmobile but don’t like the phone than go discuss another phone somewhere else. This is suppose to be an area to discuss this phone and features of the phone. I would not be surprised that the many of you guys complaining about the phone don’t have a tmobile account.

  • Mike

    I would bet my left arm this is not the final product. My guess is the picture floating around is just what they said, a prototype. The final product WILL be sharper looking. It will probably look very similar, but with cleaner lines and not so “boxy”. Just my 2 cents.

  • Shader

    Quote- how is $35 too much when for the total internet add-on it costs 20 and unlimited messaging is 15? add them together and you get…wait…$35!

    It’s not too bad if it’s on one line but when you already have a family plan with unlimited txt for the whole plan you eat that $15 for a feature you already have.

  • timmyjoe42

    Oreo needs to chill out. The iPhone comparisons are unavoidable. If people love AT+T because of the iPhone they wouldn’t be at this website at all in the first place. I love the idea of the operating system for this phone, but if T-Mobile is thinking this phone is the iPhone killer and will attract a ton of new subscribers, they have sadly come up a little short. If T-mobile is just beginning to step up their game, than good for them. I’m still waiting for T-mobile to introduce a phone worthy of attracting my business.

  • Ken

    $35 is a lot when I don’t use web on the phone. I want it for GPS and cell phone stuff. I also want an OS that responds to my commands in real time, unlike Windows Mobile or Symbian.

  • Jay

    Hey one question does this phone have voice dialing or any kind of voice command features?

    Really handy to have especially now in California they have banned the use of cell phones in cars unless you have a handsfree device.

  • holley99

    will this phone be my favs capable?

  • justinhub2003

    so i dunno if this even pertains to the dream but i got this from, and some one mentioned that htc applieled for confidentiality pn one of its upcoming devices ad for it to last until august 31st. this was the link with letter but again it could be nt legit, but could also be an answer to why there isnt much info on the device and maybe a hope that september first we will get to see the official specs here’s the link. dont kill me if that has been already posted or is already false or un news worthy for that matter lol

  • lp894

    I disagree…you know how many people have been waiting in line to get an android phone? And with t-mobile being the ONLY carrier this year to have an android phone, and I don’t think any other carriers are lined up for android phone as SOON as the year starts. So it looks like t-mobile will be the only android phone provider for a good 4-6 months…that’ll mean business for them. Even if people aren’t getting contracts, I can already see people going into stores to buy the phone itself. So either way….mony in their pockets.

    F b-words…..get money….thats how t-mobile sees it LOLOL!!!

  • eemcee

    man I’m in desperate need of a phone upgrade and since I’ve been with tmo for 6+ years I’m hoping for a great price :D the presale only available online? or can we order on the phone too? hopefully it’ll be packed with great accessories

  • timmyjoe42

    People will not be lining up and camping out for the Android like they did for the iPhone. I would be happy if they do, but I don’t expect it. Sure people are waiting for it, but not the whole planet.

  • eemcee

    I’m in much need of a phone upgrade.. the dream will be a nice late birthday present (todays my 21st :D). Is the presale only online or can we order over the phone?

  • SheShe

    well timmyjoe there is gonna be the presale…There are lots of people saving their upgrades just for this phone

  • AJ

    How can we check if we’re eligible for an upgrade?

  • dg

    Will it have bluetooth support?

  • goCubs

    Looks like this baby just got FCC approval!

  • SheShe

    AJ when u log on to my tmobile in the middle it says upgrade phone and then u go to another screen and click up grade ur phone and if it has with the 2 year extension ur eligible

  • Very interesting, nice features too.


  • blehman

    Looks like this baby just got FCC approval!


  • Ricki

    I really really hope they let existing customers upgrade regardless of upgrade elibility for $99/$149, like mentioned above. God that would be sweet! (If I have to wait until my contract’s up, that would suck!)

  • mark

    What if you’re currently in a family plan with unlimited texts for the family for 20$.. Could I get the dream for the 150$ then still use my family plan and not pay extra? If I don’t want Internet or data or whatever

  • Alex

    I just saw that an “analyst” has said that the release date has been pushed back to November?! is that true?

  • aj

    Why would you want it if you don’t want internet/data.

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  • mark

    Because i want it. Can you answer my question please?

  • bob smiff

    are you people believing this? none of this nonsense is confirmed. pre order is irrelevant cause there will be plenty to go around. who confirmed sep 17? and that price you say is confirmed is absurd. tmobile is going to get everyone for at least 250 for that phone. open your eyes people… look at the wing, still 300+ some years later. and good luck those without upgrade eligibility you will be paying 350+ use your brains people, when its too good to be true, it probably isn’t .

  • greg

    costs could be real… i got my wing for $99 when it first came out. just because the current online price for a wing is stupid does not mean the dream will be overpriced. also, one of the costs that the dream wont have is the OS cost… microsoft charges decent money for every copy of winmo… android is free.

  • Marino

    I’m very excited about the Android but as far as pricing goes…. Early adopters NEVER get the best price. Existing customers NEVER get a better deal than new customers. I remember when we went from Sidekick II to III . Early adopters paid $200 and when the “special” period was over they started offering $50 rebates for existing customers and $200 rebates to new customers.

  • Nick

    So I TAKE IT THERES NO REAL HUGE INTERNAL FLASH MEMORY FOR IT? No 8gb or 16gb. This isnt an iphone killer its more of a mobile internet killer. The iphone still has it beat hands down until the SSD’s get bigger in the HTC world. Too bad it dosent have 32 or 64gb….tooooo bad….

  • bojkic

    come oooonnnn! no gps…. that’s not an option! google have been talking that much about geotargeting that I cannot believe they would make that big mistake. Half of the apps made till now, no, 3/4 of apps are using gps and no one can make me belive that triangulation can make up for it. it’s not even close!
    And not being able to capture video. hahhaha this must be a joke! even every low end phone can do that(oh, yeah, just stupid IPhone can’t and it can’t sand mms, can’ reply to a message, can’t send same message to multiple numbers, and ppl laugh at it). I would never buy a phone if it cannot do some basic operations, because it gets to my nerves!
    Those are basic things and those are the problems with new platforms. They just need some time to catch up with everybody else. Nokia and SE would never make such mistakes! I remember when Samsung was trying to catch up with them looong time ago it had such problems too. Their phones could not vibrate and ring at the same time, when you hit the red button everything you typed in would be erased without saving to drafts,….
    IPhone has similar problems, and Ardoid will too.

    I just hoped it would not! And I still hope this spec is not complete or right.

  • Devilman676

    Man, you think some of you people would do a little research before you start pissin and moanin about what android doesn’t have. Here is the link to all of the approved apps already. This should shut most of you up…

  • Zac

    this isn’t a normal phone release folks, and therefore the normal economics surrounding early adopters and demand do not apply. this is a network grab, attempting to eat into competitor market share. tmo will make their money on this through an increase in market share and data contracts. thats the whole point of android right? the hardware and software are just vehicles for services. apple sold the second iphone for cheap, why wouldn’t tmobile follow suit?

  • Filippo Rossi

    But… What about europe?

  • Janstheman

    It looks cool, but how will it work? Can we hear out of the bloody thing? Seems alot of the 3G network is having small problems and is falling back (default) back to EDGE. It still will be awesome when it works.

  • writergirl

    With T-Mobile, the data plans are not required to make the purchase but may be required to use any mail in rebates. The T-Mobile Total Internet feature costs 19.99 and the 400 SMS/MMS feature is 4.99 but the internet feature is not required to make the purchase so don’t worry. This phone will be AMAZING!

  • Krzr dude

    I would tend to think that the potential pre-release and such is more Google’s idea and not tmo’s… think about it– it’s affordable, and easy to get a *TON* of these phones into the hands of existing tmo customers. Once that happens and the word spreads like wildfire how great these phones are, tmobile will have new customers lining up like people at a new star wars movie.

    Google tends to be forward thinking and innovative– cell companies are NOT innovative nor forward thinking. I have to think the prerelease was a required outcome of the tmo/google partnership.

    Anyway, I can hardly wait- This thing has POTENTIAL. And if the price rumors are true, I’ll be in line with many of you to grab the first one(s) off the assembly line…

  • kdee

    Do you guys have confirmation from T-nmoile on the pre-sale release date? When I call customer service, nobdoy knows anything at all and I called my local T-mobile store and nobody knows anything as well.

    I’d just like to have some type of verification when an actualy offical announcement will be made so I don’t miss anything.

  • kdee

    Also, $35 is no deal right now I pay $19.99 for total iinternet add-on plus $14.99 for unlimited messaging.

    IF they want to give us a deal. Make it $19.99 for unlimited EVERYTHING: email/messaging/internet like the sidekick unlimited plan.

  • BT

    Look, don’t -have- to get a internet plan on the phone, it’s just gonna cost you oodles if you don’t, due to connecting to the web or whatever else it may do.

  • Some Guy

    Ok, just to clear up a few things….

    The current tmobile total internet package is 19.99, unlimited messaging is 14.99 for a single line or 19.95 for a family plan. So you can already have unlimited messaging and data on a line for 35 dollars. That’s where the pricing is coming from. Adding a data package is not required for upgrade, but having a data package on the line is required to be eligible for a mail in rebate if one is offered. If you have the promo 9.99 unl messaging you would not lose the feature by getting this phone, you would just add the 19.99 total internet feature onto the line in addition to the current feature. features can be added and removed at any time, without penalty, so you can add the feature, get the mail in rebate from Young America, and then remove the feature if you so chose; however, I don’t see why someone would get a device like this if they didn’t intend to have any data services on it and, some phones, like the sidekick for example, are extremely limited in what they can do if they do not have a data connection available (depends on how the phone is designed). As for a combined unlimted data/sms package for 19.99 like the sidekick has I find that highly unlikely — all other data devices besides the sidekick have seperate messaging bundles — danger designed the sidekick for messaging and they include sms in their data coverage – but other manufactors do not. I do not see a reason that this HTC device would be any different from previously released ones. Either way considering that other services providers data packages range from 30 to 50 dollars a month for unlimited access and tmobile offers the same for 19.99, there isn’t really much to complain about.

    The upgrade program for tmobile works like this: you current contract does not determine your upgrade pricing — upgrade pricing is based on the time since the last upgrade on your line, and the length of the contract agreed to when you did that upgrade. If you upgraded with a 2 year contract then you will qualify for the full the full discount pricing 22 months from the day you upgraded, regardless of contract changes made after the handset purchase. If you upgraded with a 1 year service agreement for a lesser discount, then you qualify for the best discount pricing after 11 months. If you do not meet these qualifications, then you do not get the pricing that is being offered for new activations — that is the same pricing (generally speaking) as the full discounted handset with a 2 year contract for existing customers. If you are an existing customer that does not qualify for the full discount you always have the option of upgrading with a 2 year contract renewel and taking a partial discount on the phone. the partial discount varies by device and sometimes market area and is anywhere between 40 and 200 dollars off the retail cost of the handset. there is no 1 year contract option available with the partial discount — but you have an unlimted number of these available to you. keep in mind that if you are currently under contract tmobile will not extend the contract for 2 years, it will be an overlapping contract (ie 2 years from the day you did the upgrade regardless of your current contact end date)

    GPS — up until recently tmobile had no support for gps. any gps capable device required a gps puck and 3rd party provider to supply the service. the new sony ericson phone that’s coming out in a few days is the first to feature built in telenav gps navigation — so at this point it isn’t really clear whether the android will have gps — but it is entirely possible that the same feature being provided for the TM506 could allow the android to have a gps function (perhaps not the exact same feature, but at least it shows that tmobile is starting to support gps capabilites on their phones and will have the capability of doing so prior to the android’s release) I guess at this point we can only hope.

    wi-fi — hopefully the phone will support UMA calling. the best indicator of whether or not that will be the case is if the phone is dual-mode wi-fi capable, which is required for UMA calls to be placed. Unfortunately, it doesn’t look like that specific of information is available yet so guess we’ll be waiting on that one too. if the phone ends up having the hardware capability, but not the software support, I’m sure someone will come up with something (kinda like they did for the Dash) to allow the phone to place UMA calls regardless of the original design.

    myfaves — tmobile would not release a new phone that was not myfaves capable — myfaves plans are one of the staples of tmobile’s service — the only phones you would find that did not have the feature are the phones that came out before myfaves. besides — I’m pretty sure I saw images of the phone on tmonews that showed the phone had the myfaves “pawprint” so that would make it absolutely for sure.

    unlocking the phone — barring an exception like the one that exists for sidekick devices — all tmobile phones can be unlocked, free of charge, as long as you meet a few qualifications — you have to have been an active tmobile customer for more than 90 days — the phone must be outside of its 14 day buyer’s remorse period (ie there must be 14 days of usage on a tmobile line in order to unlock the device), there can be no past due amounts on your account when the sim unlock request is processed, and you cannot have requested an unlock code on the same phone number within the last 90 days. Just call customer care and request the subsidy unlock code and generally within 24 hours the procedure to enter the code and the code itself will be emailed to you by the sim unlock team. if you have got another unlock code within the last 90 days and you have another line on the account, just tell the rep to file the request on that line and use the phone on the number for a few days so it registers some usage in the system and you won’t have a problem.

    all in all, even with a few pieces of information still up in the air, looks like an awesome phone. Can’t wait for it to come out.

  • Aaron

    how valid is the last bullet in this article stating that there will be a pushed back release date?????

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  • bbthut

    I have a dumb t-mobile question. My wife got a blackberry 8120 3 months ago and they didn’t make her sign up for a data plan. When does a smartphone require the purchase of a data plan and when can I get it w/o? $35/month is pretty steep when I am 100% covered by WiFi access in Minneapolis.

  • tmofan

    in response to the last post, just because you have a data device does not mean that you must purchase a data plan. You must have a data plan in order to get the mail in rebate and really what is the point of having a data device without the data feature? The data feature gives you access to all of the capabilities of the device. In short response to your question use whateveer phone you can – if you put your sim card in the phone and it makes calls then it works with or without the data plan. REmember that just because your phone says uma it does not mean that you are getting unlimited calling – you must have the unlimited hotspot calling feature to get that benefit of uma!!

  • bbthut

    tmofan- thanks for the reply. but i am confused, aren’t all the data features (street view, web browser, gmail, etc) available over WiFi as well as 3G?

  • R3ggi3

    I’d rather wait on the tocco…the features of this phone are great dont get me wrong but I jus wouldnt enjoy lookin at this hideous phone design in my hand!

  • John

    I just upgraded my handset with T-Mobile about a month ago with a new 2 year contract. Does that mean I won’t be able to get the phone at its cheapest when the presale starts?

    I’m still really confused about this part. Since I’m not eligible for an upgrade and just recently signed a new 2 year contract, will I have to pay full price for the phone?

  • Ronnie

    Here’s a dumb question: is it required to get a *voice* plan? I currently have one phone for data and one for voice (which I want and need to keep for voice). So, I would like to replace my data-only phone with this one.

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  • Jah

    Just broke my Sidekick LX today and called up tmo and they are still saying that they have no info dispite the presale starts in ten days whats up with all the secrecy. Are we sure that the phone will be on sale in a couple days and when will it ship?

  • Nesse

    My sidekick Lx is having technical difficulties as well. I decided to contact T-mobile in regards to the new Google phone. All of the representatives are saying that they have no information on this particular phone. I am pretty sure T-mobile customer care representatives have been informed about the new phone. Apparently, they aren’t allowed to release any information until farther notice, meaning just in case something were to go wrong. Rumors are saying that the presale is on September 17th, but it hasn’t been confirmed or indefinite by T-mobile. I do like the tocco phone and the google phone. This will be a hard choice. I do want a new phone….lol

  • Nesse

    You all are so funny. I am having technical difficulties with my sidekick lx. So, I decided to call T-mobile in regards to the new HTC dream phone. All of the customer service representatives were actig like they had no idea about the phone. I inquired about the phone twice and resulted with the same answer. I believe T-mobile isn’t allowed to release any information just in case a problem was to occur.

    Farther more, why is the wing still 300 dollars???? The wing has been out for at least two years now.

    Brian- my question to you is> Why are you still using nokia? You seriously need to upgrade to a better phone model.

    I don’t think the phone is ugly at all. Pictures really don’t do any justice in my opinion.

    Those of you complaining most likely aren’t a T-mobile customer. You either are going to purchase the phone or not. If the phone isn’t to your liking then move on and find a better phone.

    One thing i can say T-mobile was smart about is letting every other service provider come out with touch screen phones so they can see what their competition is looking like.

    T-mobile and google is an excellant combination. Anything that googles come out with always has an excellant outcome and T-mobile is rising above their expectations.

    The iphone is a computer, ipod etc. It has too many applications and features that will crash the phone. Apple is having techinical difficulties with the new iphones.

    A data phone is not a phone without the data plan. That is just my opinion.

    Dont get me wrong, the Touch Diamond is a really nice phone. Its very sleek. I can’t wait until the G1/Htc dream phone is released. What is the actual name of the phone? I have hard sooooo many names.

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  • emm333arrddd

    is anyone here at all concerned about google datamining our phone calls on a google branded device? serious implications here if they interfere on any level. what kind of agreements does TMo have with them or is it purely the Android part of the device? even then… how are we sure there’s no, well what you would you call it – spyware – ??!@! on the phone to start out with? not trying to start conspiracies or anything, but do you have to be a unix programmer to be able to hack the shell on this to find out? just wondering.

  • Cheryl

    I just wanted to say that I work for tmobile in there coustomer service department and the only thing we were told was a iphone competitive phone was coming by the holidays and that it was going to be big. My boss has been checking this site everyday for weeks now. We are in teh dark just as much you guys. Why? Have know idea. But I am excited and looking forward to it as well.

  • Neo

    Hello. I work for technical support for tmobile PDA’s and we don’t have any information at all on the G1. There was a listing that if someone calls and asks about it “refer them to a media connection”. LOL in tech support we weren’t told we got the Blackberry 8320 until a week after launch. I said “I know. I’ve been getting calls on it for 2 weeks now.”

  • kdee

    Yup, I agree with the last couple posters. I’m calling bullshit on the so- called “pre-sale launch date”

    Nobody at T-mobile store, corporate, or customer service knows anything. I am in a 3G market, and the mgr at the store said they let the stores know 2 WEEKS in advance about new devices coming down the pipeline.

    Also, if it really was coming out in 6 days, this is the single worst advertising campaign ever. Besides this site, and I have heard nothing ANYWHERE.

    Sorry, i’m not saying this phone is NOT Coming out, I just don’t think it’s coming out in T-munus 6 days.

  • Bespi

    They said the pre-order is in 6 days, not the actual phone learn how to read. The phone is still being kept secret because they probably don’t want people calling everyday about the phone since pre-orders will only be done online. But then again this can possibly turn out to be another rumor.

  • Ni ni

    Kdee… Tmobile probably will not notify the stores until two weeks before the phone is released, but the phone isn’t being released until October. The presale is in 6 days, which means you are just buying the phone at a good price, but not receiving it yet.

  • adam

    I think its odd that everyone is talking about the release of this phone, yet no one has any details in regards to the pre-sale, how it is going to take place? The only information provided is the date, but if you call T-mobile they have no information that can be provided in regards to a pre-sale on this phone. I, like every other T-mo customer out there is very excited about the release of this phone, however, if you are going to post information on your blog, you should either have some type of info that can back up your statements i.e. how this presale is going to take place, or not post it at all.

  • kdee


    So we’re supposed to pre-order/buy a “secret” phone we’ve never seen before, won’t be able to hold in your hand, and still have no official specs on and no official pictures from T-mobile??

    Also, where did you hear/see pre-orders will only be done online?

  • kdee

    Also, can anyone confirm will this phone be capapble of making UMA/WiFi calls?

  • rahul dang

    Hey guys, ya this seems really odd tho? I mean i want to really buy this phone, but im surprised nothing, zilch, NADA has been talked about for this phone meaning i would have expected t-mob or someone to actually publish something about the dream presale or not because it is just so huge….i dont understand why this is being kept so secret. someone help?

  • kdee

    @ rahul dang:

    Thank you. At least I’m not the only one who is thinking these things and has questions.

  • I called them today to ask about another phone, the guy told me to not get the other phone and that the “Android” preorders might be next week online for $174.99

  • Oh yeah, he said, September 17th

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  • rahul dang


    Dude thats awesome!!! Are u serious?

    and this is to anyone:do u guys really think the preorders are next week? o and i live in los angeles, would i still be able to get it? thanks

  • mike m.

    i live in LA too, and i’ve been waiting on this Phone for a while. i just dont want to be disappointed when sept. 17th rolls around and nothing, zilch, nada. i’ve tried calling tmobile and all tehy’ve told me is that there is going to be a HTC device, but it won’t be released til november december. so any encouraging news would be grateful.

  • mike

    hey guys. does any one knows if there is a HTC-DREAM pre-sale, where are we going to be able to get it? how it would work?

  • kdee

    @ mike:

    Did you even read the blog entry you are replying to? It’s in the the first paragraph, but everyone is still trying to verify the info.

  • Jon

    Hows the AIM on the gphone?

  • Michael

    Almost time for the pre-sale to begin, and i for one cant wait, cause im def going to get this new phone.

  • kdee

    How will we be notified or where do you go on the day off the pre-sale to actually buy the damned thing?

  • Javier

    How do you guys know the presale is still going to be on Wed. I thought they were going to announce the phone on the 23rd.

  • Naz

    The G1 Will Come Soon Enough. The I phone Facts About Approved The Day Before Is Release Is Good Enough For Me. No Rush….

  • Luke

    Spoke with Tmobile representative yesterday…they have no knowledge of a pre-sale to take place at all in the near future. She assured me that if they were going to bedoing a pre-sale tomorrow, they would know today. So, are they hiding the ball, or do you think this Sept. 17th pre-sale date is just getting our hopes up???

  • Rob

    @Javier, I believe the partnership between Google and TMo is going to be announced the 23rd… Thats why now, if the phone doesn’t go on presale the 17th, we can look forward to the 23rd

  • kdee

    @ Luke

    Nobody knows anything, it’s all speculatory bullshit. There is no pre-sale tomorrow. Why would they have some “top-secret” presale that for a phone that nobody knows anything about nor was informed formally of this presale? That’s a horrible way to sell product.

    All way know for sure, is there is a press-conference on the 23rd announcing the phone. That is it.

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  • Angel

    Looks like no pre-orders at least until the 23rd of Sep.
    Too bad I was looking forward to ordering it.

  • Jessica

    How do I do the presale? when I ask around Tmobile store reps and customer service reps everyone look @ me like im crazy because they dont know what im talking about. when its time to get the phone what or where sould i go

  • Rob

    @Jessica IF there indeed is a presale, it will be online… in my experience, store reps know as much as we do… read up next time, you’ll be surprised how many questions can be answered from previous posts

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  • some dude in queens

    just got off the phone with my local store, i was asking him about the google phone, i asked if its going on sale soon, he said there not releasing any official dates yet, he didn’t wanna say much, after i told him that my contract is up and that i mite be going for an iphone and/or dif carrier, he said “well i can tell you that you will definitely hear some news this month.

  • nathan

    I’m a current t-mobile customer in the U.S. and I see not even a hint of any kind of pre-order option for the phone on my account page when i’m logged in or anywhere else on the site. Also when I went into the store yesterday they said that they weren’t 100% sure but knew that it (HTC Dream) would be release late Q4 probably before thanksgiving/christmas. Also stores can only apparently launch a device when every t-mobile store has the product.

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