John Legere says T-Mobile didn’t turn down Microsoft’s Lumia 950 and Lumia 950 XL

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T-Mobile has sold quite a few Windows smartphones in the past, but when Microsoft unveiled its new Lumia 950 and Lumia 950 XL smartphones earlier this week, there was no mention of Magenta. Turns out that Microsoft may not have even approached T-Mobile about carrying its new phones.

In the days since the new Lumias were announced, lots of folks have wondered if Microsoft’s devices would be coming to their carrier. So far AT&T is the only US carrier to announce plans to carry one of the new Lumia phones, and according to John Legere, Microsoft decided to only offer the devices to AT&T. “We were told it would be old school exclusive, like the #Firephone,” Legere Tweeted in response to a Tweet about the Lumia 950 being on AT&T. Legere went on to say that T-Mo didn’t turn out the new Lumia phones and that “if @microsoft wakes up, we’ll talk about @TMobile carrying.”

Meanwhile, Microsoft tells CNET that it’s been in talks with other US carriers to offer the new Lumia phones but that none of them have struck a deal yet.

Microsoft is planning to sell both the Lumia 950 and Lumia 950 XL in November for $549 and $649, respectively, so T-Mobile customers that really want one could buy an unlocked unit and bring it to the Magenta network (both phones support LTE bands 2, 4, and 12). It’d be nice to see T-Mobile officially carry at least one of ‘em, though, because that’d make them easier to buy and would result in VoLTE support, too. However, right now it looks like Windows fans may have to go unlocked if they want to use the Lumia 950 or Lumia 950 XL on T-Mobile.

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  • Hurlamania

    why?, Microsoft needs as many people to carry their phones as possible, that along with T-Mobile pulling the Lumia 640 from online and not putting them in stores something isn’t right with this situation.
    this was typed on a T-Mobile branded Lumia 640

    Also the Microsoft store only carried the att versions of the Lumia 640

  • Jonathan Shaw

    Why does VoLTE support require T-Mobile carrier branding?

    Also, have you found out whether these phones will include support for Wi-Fi Calling?

    Will the older Windows Phone devices support or continue to support WFC after they’ve been upgraded to Windows 10 mobile?

    • Hurlamania

      on the 635 it is an app on the 640 it’s built in.
      it would be unusual for an update to remove a carrier specific feature it was one of the reasons you bought the phone was for T-Mobile features.
      700 MHz phones on T-Mobile are required to have volte because it is used to advertise coverage of a phone isn’t volte it will get only data and no voice coverage in 700 MHz only areas that will be shown as coverage areas on their map.

      • Jonathan Shaw

        Are you positive you don’t have the MovialIMS driver and the Wi-Fi Calling app? You can see the driver via the Hardware Tests app, in the phone updates section of the app. The Wi-Fi Calling app is a standalone app (not found in settings) that lets you turn WFC on and off and has one other setting and some goofy help pages.

        Sure, it may seem silly to you or me, but T-Mobile has pushed updates in the past which have removed features. For instance, on my HTC 8X, they pushed an update and added Wi-Fi Calling and then a few months later, they removed it via another update. (And it has been gone from that phone ever since!)

        In this case, we’re likely talking about receiving an update from Microsoft and not T-Mobile. (I doubt T-Mobile will provide any further updates to my Lumia 925.) Since the WFC IMS driver on my L925 comes from T-Mobile (via Movial) and not Nokia or Microsoft, I can easily see the ball being dropped here. I’ve already reached out to Microsoft to ask them and the response was that they needed to research into it and let me know later.

        I understand that VoLTE is required for phones that support band 12 on T-Mobile’s network. I think the article above may be wrong when it states that VoLTE support would be achieved if only T-Mobile would sell the device. That doesn’t make sense to me — it should not matter where I buy the device, just as with iPhone and other unlocked, non-branded phones.

        • LessIsMore

          This is a really important topic. T-Mobile carried the 640 for only two months, but they did carry it. Within a very short time of Microsoft saying the 640 would definitely receive the update to W10M, T-Mobile dropped the 640. I am very concerned they did this in order to avoid committing any resources to upgrading the phone to W10M. I would REALLY LIKE to get a clear statement from T-Mobile if they will take care of their customers and push the upgrade to the 640, properly incorporating the T-Mobile specific features (Wi-Fi Calling and VoLTE). I am going to make a separate post on this same topic, just to see if we can raise the attention of the TmoNews team to get an answer about what T-Mobile will do with the update for the 640 (and to a lesser degree the 635).

        • Lev Bronshtein

          Something is fishy here, I’m calling T-Mobile.

          “Uncarrier” means “Chest-thumping” most of the time, step it up T-Mo, you’d better update the 640.

  • Hurlamania

    also T-Mobile has not updated the 635 to denim while there competitors have… If I recall correctly you need that update prior to getting Windows 10 the 640 is current.

  • People are waiting in India for Microsoft 950 and 950XL models as they have good features.

  • LessIsMore

    Would it be possible for the TmoNews team to try to get a clear answer from T-Mobile if they will even support the W10M update for the Lumia 640? While they only carried the phone for a couple of months, many other people are still buying the pre-paid version carried by Walmart and using on the regular T-Mobile network. It is a VERY good phone for the money and it would certainly be a good thing if T-Mobile would support the upgrade so that 640 users can move to W10M and not lose their T-Mobile specific features (Wi-Fi Calling and VoLTE).

    In May, Microsoft made a very clear public statement that the 640 would be one of the first phones to received the W10M update and T-Mobile started to officially carry the phone on June 17, so both T-Mobile and customers buying the phone had every reason to think T-Mobile would support the update. Since T-Mobile dropped the phone on August 28, they have been completely silent about it and any of their intentions about supporting W10M. This certainly raises the concern that 640 users on T-Mobile will be forced to chose between staying on 8.1 or losing the T-Mobile features. This possible lack of support may also be related to the current discussions with Microsoft, as not supporting the upgrade puts both them and their customers in an awkward spot.

    • Derrick Ford

      I am with you…Think About It. Is there a WM Phone Sold By Tmobile In Their Stores Today That Is Capable Of Having The WM 10 Update? I say we all hit up John Legere’s Twitter And Put The Ball Back In His Court…If He Doesn’t Reply We Have Our Answer! John can’t handle Panos’ statement of “…The Power Of Windows Update..”!!!

  • Chris Siegell

    Could Microsoft be a any more clueless? Not dilgently dealing with carriers and remaining mute on Lumia 950/XL availability is a recipe for failure. The Lumia 950 XL is still below the Sony Z5 premium, but could overtook that phone in sales if Microsoft can get the 950 to carriers. AT&T we all know as a wretched carrier, so that’s not even an option. If the Lumia 950XL is going to be available primarily as an unlocked device, then the Sony Z5 Premium unlocked beats it easily.

    • Joe_HTH

      What is your obsession with the Z5 Premium? It won’t beat the 950 XL easily at all, unless a completely pointless 4K screen and shit battery life are important to you.

      As for Microsoft and carriers, why should Microsoft kowtow to carriers who have refused to support Windows Phones in the past? AT&T aren’t great, but they have supported Windows Phone far, far better than T-Mobile, Sprint, and Verizon. Legere is being disingenuous at best, because his company has refused to even push the important Denim update.

    • jouklijou

      I don’t think either side has been honest with us. However I realized sprint and Tmobile are advertising iPhone for life. this has been going on since last week, there’s something fishy going on; windows’ fan base will be the loser.

  • Steve Griffin

    Something isn’t right about all this! Legere saying they Microsoft didn’t contact us, the 640 lasting only 2 months and not in stores to see it ever. Sounds like tit for tat to me and Legere doesn’t want to deal with WP. My daughter has the 640 and its a nice phone. 635 was a waste of hardware. I’m still holding on to my 925 and its doing fine bit the back doesn’t comeoff. Does anyone know if the 950’s back is going to be removable?

    • jouklijou

      yes, it does

      • Steve Griffin

        I’ll be getting that 950 at income tax time for sure.

        • Ride or die

          At the event they showed some third party backs for it that were leather and had metal sides, as well.

        • Steve Griffin

          That’s always neat idea but, I always buy the leather book style case with credit card slots. Have no need to carry a wallet. Haven’t used a wallet in 4 years.

    • Whiskers

      I’m still rocking my N925 as well and it’s still a great phone .
      You can get a OEM battery and back cover for them cheap all over the place , and you can replace the back very easy yourself if needed .
      They just snap on/off .

      • Steve Griffin

        Are talking about my 925? It looks as though you a tool to take it off. Before this phone all my phones the back cover came off. I always used to carry an extra battery in my watch pocket. Portable chargers are a waste of money and time. Do my charging at home and in the car.

        • Whiskers

          I may have misunderstood you .
          You can replace the battery and back door if needed , but they are not made for easy access for battery swaps on daily basis .
          All you need is a thin small screw driver an the back will pop right off .
          The battery is right there as well , but if you want user friendly swap outs for extra battery power then it’s not designed for that .

        • eanfoso

          Why not get a red wireless charging cover?

        • Steve Griffin

          Well if you ever had an extra battery and swapped it out when you need more power you’d understand why portable chargers are just a hassle. Compare 10 seconds to 2 hours to get a full charge. No comparison and the battery is flat and cheaper then chargers.

  • benjitek

    Oh well… no biggie — they can just wait until about a month after launch, there will be truckloads of ‘old-stock’ at fire-sale prices ;-)

  • gmo8492

    This is nothing new, Microsoft has always made some of their higher end models carrier exclusives. At&t got the lumia 1020 and Verizon go the lumia 1520 while their international counter parts were sold under different model numbers. In this instance you can buy them unlocked direct from Microsoft and just pop in your sim. At least T-Mobile isn’t like Sprint which basically offers almost nothing when it comes to windows phones.

    • eanfoso

      Verizon never got the lumia 1520.

      • aggiefather

        Verizon got the Icon which had been code-named the McLaren. The 1020 and 1520 were AT&T exclusives.

        • eanfoso

          Thanks for proving me right.

        • notyourbusiness

          The Icon was never the McLaren. The McLaren was a phone that all four major carriers were supposedly going to get but then it got scrapped. The Icon is actually the Lumia 930 with a different name and only black and white color options.

        • aggiefather

          of course, what was I thinking of

      • gmo8492

        Sorry, it was actually called the Lumia Icon, which was a counterpart to the 1520. It was basically the same phone in a smaller form factor 5″ display vs 6″ display, but the same exact internal specs.. It’s hard to keep track of all these lumias since Microsoft’s naming scheme is pretty ridiculous. I’ll edit my post regardless.

        • eanfoso

          Nope still a different phone and since you’re basing your assumptions on specifications . Must be an android user. Microsoft has only named four (4) Lumia devices, Lumia 640, Lumia 640 XL, Lumia 950 in Lumia 950 XL, and seriously you’re one of the most uninformed Americans ever, do some research before posting.

        • gmo8492

          I actually did do my research, but you resort to petty insults and make baseless assumptions about someone you don’t even know. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but you come back swinging like I made fun of your mother. You have the tolerance level of a 2 year old, especially if someone makes an honest mistake. These phones runs the same unaltered software, same CPU, and GPU made by the same company with negligible differences besides the size of the display. It’s pretty ridiculous when I have to point some of these things out.

        • eanfoso

          No you didn’t, for instance the lumia 930 offered dolby surround sound, meanwhile the 1520 focused on size and imaging. The lumia 1520 was in its own section. Lumia 930 was the sequel for the 920(obviously) and to this sequel Verizon got the lumia 930 but because they wanted to be the first to offer it and be different they named it the icon, but when you look at the actual features (and not specifications) then you’ll realise the lumia icon is directly related to the 930. Also it was nokia the one that named these lumias in question, not microsoft. I am thrilled to see your sources that say microsoft named the devices you mentioned, since you poked at the naming scheme of the lumia line up as well as where the icon is directly related to the 1520.

        • gmo8492

          No use in beating a dead horse, at least you’re more rational this time around. Let’s just call it and be done with it. I’m not in the mood to continue mud slinging back and fourth. I agree that I need to brush up on my windows phone knowledge, since I did at one point owed a few including the 920. Haven’t had any recently.

        • kgraham182

          The Nokia Lumia Icon is related to the Nokia Lumia 930 not the Nokia Lumia 1520. People only seem to complain about alpanumeric systems when they dislike the company. BMW, Intel, Nvidia, Audi, Apple uses it no complaints. But a company like Microsoft, Nokia, or Lincoln uses it, then its too complicated. I would assume all on this blog learned their alphabet and numbers. Here’s a tip higher is better.

        • gmo8492

          Let’s compare several unlike things and hopefully it reinforces my argument doesn’t work for you and I do not dislike Microsoft. Is that what you guys aim for, making irrational arguments to attack someone’s intelligence. Take some of my advice and stop trolling.

  • vinnyjr

    That is the reason why WM isn’t selling phones. Talk about dumb, limiting your phones to one Carrier.

    • Ordeith

      That’s why T-Mobile is no longer getting the bulk of my business. Talk about dumb, limiting your phones offerings to two OSes (and one of those choices is so bad it really isn’t a choice).

      • yankeesusa

        Did you not read the article and just start typing? LOL

        • williejackbrainer

          I don’t believe he did. He just likes to spew his hot garbage to anyone that will read it.

        • Ordeith

          Yes. I have also seen what T-Mobile did to their Lumia 810 customers, their Lumia 635 customers, and the Lumia 640 they briefly carried.
          Did you?

      • Mike Palomba

        They sell blackberry as well. By the way, neither iOS or android is “so bad” while I prefer iOS, android has some strong points

        • Ordeith

          Like the spying, tracking, advertising, and security issues that come from an OS made by a company incentivized through a revenue stream that is completely dependent on their profiling activities? None of those “strong points” are worth the compromise Google demands.

        • Mike Palomba

          Well then there is always iOS.

        • Ordeith

          So, like T-Mobile, you would seek to limit choice.

        • Mike Palomba

          I don’t believe that T-Mobile limits choice. While they may not sell every OS and phone on the market, they do support unlocked phones which allows you to use whatever OS you want to on their network. If someone really wants to use a windows phone, or any phone On T-Mobile, all they have to do is buy an unlocked one (that supports the correct bands) and they’re good to go.

        • Ordeith

          Everyone supports unlocked phones. What a cop-out.

        • Mike Palomba

          Not sprint and Verizon only supports some

        • Ordeith

          Everyone. Including Sprint and Verizon. How outdated is your world?

        • Mike Palomba

          Since when does sprint allow unlocked phones? According to their website, you have to visit a sprint store to see if your phone is ” compatible ” if they fully supported unlocked phones, then you would not have to go to the store to check compatibility.

        • Ordeith

          According to sprint, since 2013. The store visit is a courtesy to ensure the unlocked phone you want to use is compatible with Sprint’s network. Most people really don’t know how to interpret the radio and protocol support so the idea is probably a good one.

        • Mike Palomba

          I am 100% sure that in 2013 sprint did not support ANY type of non sprint device. I had them at that time and wanted to know if ANY unlocked phone would work on their network. I was told that there is not a single device on the planet other then a sprint device that will work on their network.

        • Ordeith

          100% sure? The person you talked to may have been as misinformed as you were 40 minutes ago.

          Of course I have never been a Sprint customer myself, so I only have the publically available information, stories, and press releases to go on.

        • Mike Palomba

          You think I only asked 1 person? I asked several people both in store and over the phone. I also asked several people again in the year of 2014 and I was still told they don’t support unlocked phones.

        • Why do you keep answering him? it’s obvious a troll.

          Everybody knows Tmobile is the most open to unlocked phones. Sprint is the worst. Even after you paid off your Sprint phone, you can’t even unlock your phone in any simple manner.

  • eanfoso

    It’s all about t mobile not making this happen, heck even the writer did not say a thing about the new lumia devices until now. If t mobile wanted to make it happen they would.

  • taxandspend

    As other people mentioned the 640, it was strange that it was suddenly pulled from the shelves. What’s also strange is that Metro continues to offer that phone.

  • Acdc1a

    Like the #Firephone…now that’s funny!

    • Thatguy

      He said “Firephone”…. lol I see what he did there!

  • VG

    I sense T-Mobile has given up on Windows Phone completely (much like T-Mobile & BlackBerry went their separate ways last year before they re-established their relationship this year). There are currently no Windows Phone models for sale on the regular T-Mobile web site, and the T-Mobile prepaid site only shows a certified pre-owned Lumia 521 available. This speaks volumes about T-Mobile’s lack of interest in Windows Phone.

  • Jsun

    How about tmobile doing their customers a favor and aproach MSFT themselves instead waiting for MSFT to offer it to them.

    • Rob Sauceda

      It would be an “un” carrier move so they should do that!

  • aggiefather

    Microsoft has been its own worst enemy when it comes to marketing its phones. By limiting flagship devices to only one carrier, the very people who would love to support Microsoft and purchase those phones have to make difficult (and expensive!) decisions regarding switching carriers to get to use the latest Windows phone with all its features.

    • Ordeith

      Many ATT MVNOs are cheaper than T-Mobile, better coverage too. The expensive decision might be not switching.

  • vinnyjr

    Windows Mobile over the past few years have always given their top of the line device to AT&T while throwing T-Mobile their 2nd best. Even back then Windows Mobile restricted their phones to certain Carriers and its come back to bite them in the ass. If I was T-Mobile and W.M. Wanted to sell their devices I would demand their best product or shove it. T-Mobile is selling a shit load of phones, W.M. Should snap the hell out of it and quit giving their best product to AT&T.

    • Josh Hopkins

      AT&T isn’t even that great of a carrier- they are expensive like Verizon, but their network is terrible. I’m on Verizon, but I do not like their family plan so I am going to T-Mobile. I live in Santa Barbara and T-Mobile has the best network in my area hands down with Verizon a close second.

    • JLV90

      They gave their best last year to Verizon, it didn’t work out too well. AT&T is the windows phone safe haven in terms of sales.

    • Paul Verizzo

      Catch up. It hasn’t been Windows Mobile for years, since it went to 8.0. I do think, though, that “Mobility” had more catch to it than “Phone.”

  • Ordeith

    John Legere is a carnival barker trying to scam people into the sideshow that is T-Mobile. He knows propaganda, he doesn’t know honesty.

    • yankeesusa

      Ok then…..

    • Whiskers

      And so you know him personally , ok …..

    • williejackbrainer

      Do you have any facts to backup your comment?

      • Ordeith

        Legere’s history. He has been a chameleon in every position he has held, playing the part he has needed to play. The T-Mobile persona was invented at the Las Vegas event where he first wore the “T” shirt. It was created by a team of aids reading the crowd before the show, they even had to assemble that first costume out of borrowed clothes from the road crew. Legere ran with it.
        I’m sure he gets a kick out of how easily his acting fools so many..

        • williejackbrainer

          I asked for facts, not your personal opinion. Where are the facts to backup your statements?

        • Ordeith

          So you don’t look into his history, taint the facts I gave (that you can easily verify) with your own bias, and call out MY personal opinion? ROTFLOL

        • williejackbrainer

          I did not taint any facts you gave, because you did not provide any. And if it’s that easy to verify, I’m sure you would have came back with something to backup your original statements. I’m done trading comments with you.
          Good day sir!

        • Ordeith

          Facts are just about all I gave. you must have your definitions confused.
          But please, go on being a dupe. Legere likes you that way.

        • Wyn6

          As an unbiased observer of this “conversation”, I have to say you didn’t provide ANY facts. You merely gave an unverified claim and proceeded not to provide any supporting evidence of said claim.

          Anyone making a factual claim is usually more than happy to provide verifiable proof of those claims. You have not.

        • Ordeith

          The claim is easily verified, go look for it. This site doesn’t allow posting of hyperlinks in comments.

        • Paul Verizzo

          So what? He adapts. That’s the purpose of a chameleon’s color changes. Adapt or die. You sound pretty logical in a lot of your posts, what’s your issue with John? He took a struggling carrier and swapped positions with Sprint. He has “shookened up” the entire cellular industry with the Uncarrier philosophy.

    • Anthony S Jennings

      If thats what it took to become the number 3 carrier, it sure looks like it worked.

  • Rob H.

    It’s not like these Lumia’s will sell well anyway on T-Mobile. I think the customer base only knows iOS and Android.

    • Ordeith

      I think the employee base only knows iOS and Android and they have homogenized the customer base by driving any other customers away.

  • Mike

    That 950 XL is looking sexy. Personally I love windows 10 features and how it connects with Windows phones and the Xbox one. I would definitely consider changing my 2nd line from iPhone 6 plus to the 950 XL I’m not to worried about app support since the Note 5 is my primary line.

  • PoopSimpson

    “why should Microsoft kowtow to carriers who have refused to support Windows Phones in the past? ”

    Because they need all the help they can get.

  • Whiskers

    The real deal here is that the Surface phone will probably be ready in the 1Q of 2016 and that’s what everyone really wants and are waiting for .
    Maybe that’s why the 950 / XL is not being pushed very hard at this time .

  • T-Mobile recently said that all unlocked Band 12 LTE phones must have VOLTE in order for them to accept the phones on the network. That includes the Lumia 950 and Lumia 950 XL.

  • Ascertion

    Silly Microsoft. You won’t get a large consumer base, if you limit your phone to less than 25% of America. Sure, people can buy unlocked, but carriers offer incentives to order through them. Not to mention, it’s a lot easier. These exclusives I think hurts Microsoft more than helps.

    • Ordeith

      I don’t know.. If the phone is desirable people will seek it out. If that means leaving T-Mobile for something better #sobeit.

      • Acdc1a

        You mean like the Firephone?

        • Thatguy

          lol “Firephone” I c what you did there…

        • kgraham182

          No, like the OG iPhone, Lumia Icon/1020/1520. AT&T and Verizon have phones that would make you leave your carrier cause they’re the only one selling that device. TMO has no halo phone that would make a person who is perfectly fine with their present carrier, jump ship.

        • Acdc1a

          The iPhone is unlikely to happen again. It’s not 2007.

          If the other carriers lost 1,000 subscribers combined due to Lumia exclusives I’d be amazed. Windows Phone market share in the US is 3%…3 stinking percent! The majority of those users are on low end Windows phones.

    • Donald Simard

      I think this is relevant http://www.geekwire.com/2015/verizon-and-att-may-be-the-big-two-in-the-u-s-but-another-carrier-rules-the-world/

      AT&T is almost as large as Verizon but no USA carrier cracks the top 10 globally.

  • Alex Zapata

    As long as the unlocked 950 and 950XL support VoLTE and WiFi calling on TMO I’ll be purchasing one of them.

    • LessIsMore

      I think both of those features require some level of cooperation and effort between MSFT and TMO. This is also related to whether or not the same features will be available for Lumia 640 users who want to upgrade to W10M. I hope we can convince the TmoNews community to push both TMO and MSFT to make clear statements on these topics (hopefully, positive ones).

      • Alex Zapata

        And this is why I’ll be testing one out in store!

  • Gavino96

    I would have thought that by now Microsoft would learn that exclusivity is just another form of corporate suicide. The Windows Mobile platform is not new and has struggled since its infancy because of exclusivity. To gain traction, it needs to woo ALL major carriers. Come one Microsoft!!! You supposedly listen to your consumers. What am I? Chopped liver???? Read. My. Lips. No more exclusivity!!!!

    • Ordeith

      They sell the phones unlocked at the MS stores for to use however you wish. They can’t help it if a short sighted carrier wants to put their whole future on iOS and Android.

  • carol argo

    Ms had a lot of issue with the other cell provider and probably refused to tweak the smartphone to cell provider liking . Good move from ms. I ll still buy the 950xl at ms store for t-mobile band ,but wont have to play tmo game. Hopefully ms will add the option to change dns (i love the new verisign dns)

  • badassn

    I’ve been looking to upgrade my note 4 and its crappy reception to another food with a removable battery and microsd card slot. Here comes the Lumia 950 XL, which is perfect in every way, but now I can’t get it on tmobile? Is my only option now to downgrade to a Note 3 or an HTC phone to have usable signal strength?

    • Ordeith

      you could also choose a carrier with a better signal. #justsayin

      • KlausWillSeeYouNow

        Yes, because that’s clearly the issue here, and it has nothing to do with the fact that his particular device has poor signal strength. /s #getreal

        • Ordeith

          Signal is an ongoing and still constant issue for T-Mobile.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Clearly, reading comprehension is an ongoing and still constant (redundant much?) issue for you.

          What does it say if he gets signal with other devices, but not the one he’s currently using? I hope you’re not a tech, because that certainly isn’t a network issue.

        • Ordeith

          It says his particular device has trouble with T-Mobile’s frequencies and sporatic network. That doesn’t mean it won’t perform acceptably on another network with different frequencies and different cell densities.

          there is a spot in town near the local university football stadium where T-Molbile shows full bars of LTE on the handset but there is no actual network access. Calls do not connect, texts do not go through, data doesn’t flow. It affects about a half mile radius and T-Mobile has been informed.

          The problem has persisted for almost three months now.

      • badassn

        The carrier isn’t the problem. I’ve been with tmobile in this town for years now and it usually out-performs ATT and Sprint. The problem is the radio on this Note 4 after the latest firmware update.

    • KrisKordova

      The Note 5 has really good reception. I had a Note 4 and 5 together at the same time and the 5 generally always had better signal.

      • badassn

        That sounds good, but I’m not looking to downgrade tbh.

        • Richard Roma

          Nokia and Microsoft OS are pretty bad ass. I have a Note 5, 6s+ but still prefer to use my 640. Live tiles is probably one of the best things that you can have on a mobile OS.

        • EricDoe

          How do you find web browsing (especially reading blog contents) on the 640? I don’t know if I should buy it or wait for the 950. Also, does it have the ability to create folders? Oh, and the camera; how is it?
          Hope these questions are not too overwhelming.

  • carol argo

    Volte and e911 will be on those phone .not many have the money to get those .so i doubt tmo would refuse ms on these. So even tho you ll buy unit elsewhere you ll probably be able to use it on t-mobile 3 lte band

  • Veevslav

    My Note 3 died and I was hoping to try out a windows Phone, went to the tmobile store. They no longer carried Windows phones and I went with the G4. I really want the 950XL though.
    My financial outlook puts me at getting one sometime in February if it is not offered through Tmobile. By then I expect MS to have given up on them and to have pulled them from the store.

    • Ordeith

      T-Mobile gives up on them. MS does not.

      • Gavino96

        Yeah I know. But would have been nice to VoLTE support from T-Mobile.

  • kgraham182

    If the 950/950XL don’t come to TMO, it’s Johnny boy faults. Answer me this, can you name any phone that an AT&T costumer would want that only T-Mobile carries? AT&T make sure their customers have options and not only iPhones and a wall on Galaxies devices like at many TMO stores I been to. What’s crazy too is an unlocked phone won’t work to its full potential of the UnCarrier network. Can you name any phone not sold by TMO that has wifi calling, B12 and VoLTE working out the box. The UnCarrier has y’all fooled, sure they don’t have contracts no more. But since features like wifi calling (many here would say it a must have) only work with devices they sell you must buy or lease from them.

    • Brad

      how is the wifi calling etc t-mo’s fault? They can’t force companies around… though to be fair… nexus 6 and iPhones have wifi calling when unlocked from any carrier. Also: how dare they stock popular phones in the brick and mortar stores??? They should make shelf room for the crap nobody wants!

      • kgraham182

        iPhones and Nexus are sold by TMO, wifi calling should work if phone was bought from another carrier. TMO should stock all their phones, how much space does phone take up?

        • Rob

          Why should T-Mobile waste money getting a phone that nobody wants?

        • kgraham182

          That’s the point I’m making, TMO decides what device their customer can have. By selling popular and unpopular devices AT&T let their customers decide what they want.

        • Mike Palomba

          ATT has more then double T-Mobiles subscriber base. They can afford to stock a lot of phones because odds are they’ll have more customers who will buy those phones.

        • Brad

          it DOES work if it’s bought by another carrier. WiFi calling is built into the OS for both stock android and iOS. And as far as stocking all of their phones… again… why let something sit and collect dust? You know they have to pay for their stock, right? Makes more sense to have it in central locations for the handful they’ll sell rather than wait in a store for the possibly one or two people that MAY be interested in it. Plus they can always order it in store for you. You can’t have it all, man.

        • mctommy

          takes up a lot of space. Not only that, you run the chance of carrying inventory that is not moving… then having to liquidate those at a fraction of original purchase price.

          Also you run into wasting “premium” shelf/demo space in store for devices that don’t sell

    • Mike Palomba

      Nexus 5x and 6p will support wifi calling, band 12, and VoLTE. They’re also not sold by T-Mobile. Also unlocked iPhones support wifi calling and VoLTE. In addition, if you have an unlocked android phone, you can flash a T-Mobile rom and you will get wifi calling (did this on my old G2.) and I’m not to up on android news but I believe that marshmallow will have native wifi calling support at one point so that’ll solve the wifi calling on unlocked devices issue.

      • duscrom

        The article also points out the Lumias support B12

    • peevee

      “What’s crazy too is an unlocked phone won’t work to its full potential of the UnCarrier network.”

      Huh?

  • Richard Roma

    I have a Note 5, 6s+ and a Nokia 640. I really like my 640, great phone, great OS, just not too many apps.

    • Ordeith

      Sometime in the first half of 2016 Windows will gain the ability to run Android and iOS apps that are published through the Windows Store. I am hopeful this will go a long way toward solving any perceived “app problem”.

      • VG

        BlackBerry 10 has the ability to load Android apps from the Amazon App Store. Not the same thing as having full access to all Android apps, but this has not helped BlackBerry at all. So I am not convinced that having the ability to run Android apps will help Windows Phone.

        • Ordeith

          Blackberry had 10x less market than Windows and no desktop/laptop/tablet component to leverage. Windows 10 on the phones is the same core as Windows 10 on the desktop (110 million installs and counting) and will run the same apps. Even if developers don’t tap the phone market specifically WP will still benefit from the apps developers port to tap the desktop market.

        • Lev Bronshtein

          How can you have 10 times less of something? American schooling in Action!

        • Ordeith

          Are you seriously unable to parse the meaning of that sentence?

        • Lev Bronshtein

          Yes, because it’s utter nonsense.

        • jabberwolf

          Youre making an argument not made and an equation not stated. You sir are retarded – you must own an iPhone.

        • Lev Bronshtein

          Parse this:

          10 x N < N

          It's nonsense.

        • Ordeith

          Context is everything.
          Are you a troll bot? I know computers have a problem with idioms, but come on. Even with your pedantic application of the literal I still believe you knew what was meant, so the point got across regardless.

        • duscrom

          Context is context.. you’re still inaccurate. What you meant to say was 1/10th, or a 10th of the market share. You can’t have 10 times in a negative, Once you pas 1x, that’s all of the market share.

        • Ordeith

          And idioms are idioms. Of course there are idiots that still need it to actually rain cats and dogs.

      • Epic_Ninja420

        No, Microsoft will have conversion software available to developers that will allow them to easily port their existing iOS and Android apps to native W10 code. W10 will not run .apk or .ipa files. Big difference.

        • Ordeith

          No, Windows 10 will be able to run Android and iOS apps with little to no changes. All the API calls will map to WP equivalents automatically. People are able to run Android APKs on the tech preview of Windows 10 Mobile with the leaked project Astoria today. Not porting, but running actual compiled Android code.

  • Joe D

    I bet the Winblows phone and the 2.6% market share that Windows Phone has will be SOOOO missed over here LOL Oh but dont worry we’ll likely get that moron Ordeith on a response to this in 2 shakes telling us how Windows Phone will be the FUUUUTUUUURREE when it run Android apps ;-)

    • Steve Griffin

      Well the future starts in November. Both 950’s will be able to hook up to a monitor and use your phone as a PC. You can use the keyboard or your mouse, heck you can control the cursor with the screen on the phone. No need for laptops or note books anymore. I can’t believe you guys complain about apps I have an app for everything I use, just not the one my Android has. Same apps , different names on some of them. WP 10 Continuum will be awesome. Android won’t be able to keep up.

      • Steve Griffin

        All Android is is a Windows 7 and old type OS mock up loaded with ICONS which are a thing of the past. To many people don’t want to look ahead, they just like the samo samo.

      • duscrom

        Good point. Continuum is a great feature.. And it was amazing when Android did it like, 5 years ago on Motorola Devices.

        • Steve Griffin

          Yeah that was a little different then. Heck I was watching YouTube on my tv back then with my HTC touch pro two and that wasn’t even WP but, Windows Mobile 6.5 and without 3g data speeds you were sol unless you were connected to WiFi. Most of Americans didn’t have 3g speeds then. As for Continuum, there’s more to it than my description. Haven’t tried it yet so I really can’t argue but, from CNET and Microsoft and others it seems revolutionary. I remember the Motorola Connect being very limited on what you could do…

        • duscrom

          Well one thing to recall is that, Continuum, is running Windows 10 on ARM… You know what that means right? Basically It’s WIndows RT, with less Multi-tasking.

        • Steve Griffin

          I don’t know how much multi-tasking one needs to do, maybe alot if using for their career. Me, it’s mostly to feed instant knowledge when something arises. I believe ARM processing keeps the speed up for instant gratification so your not waiting for something to load. Will see how it works. Haven’t got one yet but I’m going for the 950 when released.

      • peevee

        “I have an app for everything I use, just not the one my Android has. Same apps , different names on some of them.”

        BS. All new cars and cameras, for example, have special apps for them from manufacturers – and none for Windows phones.

        • Steve Griffin

          Oh I don’t know, I have about five apps for my camera as for a new car, I don’t own one. I drive a older Buick Riviera. Who really cares about an app for your car anyway.

        • peevee

          I do. But it is just one example. It is like that everywhere.

          And that 5 apps – they are for your phone “camera”, not for a real camera, right?

          For example:
          http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/standard_display/EOS_app
          “The Canon EOS Remote app brings the power of
          EOS to a smartphone screen. Linking an ____________iOS or Android___________ smartphone with a
          compatible EOS camera makes remote, wireless photography incredibly
          easy.”

          See Windows phone there?

    • Ordeith

      Morons use Android. Get it right.

    • patt

      he found you quick lol

  • superg05

    to bad this was the one windows phone i wanted to try

  • Allen Alberto Enriquez

    I wonder what about their other products will T-Mobile US carry’em?

  • VG

    I’m sitting here watching Thursday Night Football on CBS, and I have already seen commercials from T-Mobile, AT&T, Verizon and Sprint all touting the new iPhone. I don’t think I have ever seen a single TV commercial for Windows Phone. I wonder how much $ AT&T plans to spend on advertising the Lumia 950? :)

    • kgraham182

      I’m TNF as well, I need Moncrief to catch some passes for my fantasy team. You never seen any TV commercial from AT&T about Lumia products? Strange. Go Packs Go!

    • EricDoe

      Irrelevant but I felt like sharing: today I was taking the train, and noticed there was a paper ad for the new iPhone 6 on almost every wall, and wondered how come no other brand had that much advertising and how much it must cost Apple.

  • Leo

    Working at t mobile retail…. I have noticed the noticeable difference between the device options and brand options from 2013 to now….. T MOBILE used to offer way more device options and brand options….. No longer is t mobile carrying anything outside of LG Samsung and apple…. Kyocera and zte are barely relevant….. And they dropped sony and basically have almost dropped htc …… Stock is 45% Samsung 35% apple and 15% LG….. The other 5% is others (krocera/htc) no anymore nexus either….. Like really……

    • wezi427

      The new Nexus phones aren’t sold in stores anyway. You buy from Google or Huawei

    • peevee

      Why it even matters what T-Mobile stores carry? It is not like you should buy a locked phone this day and age, and phones are everywhere from Walmart to BestBuy to online.

  • Derrick Ford

    Oooops..John May Have Slipped! Here is a Quoted Tweet From John:

    .@Commadore_Bob that bs theory will help @Microsoft become relevant in a space they currently aren’t? #arrogant #nextfirephoneguarenteed

    ….Hmmm isn’t this the same attitude you get from his Tmobile staff in his stores when it comes to Windows Phones?

    I say now we know. WM Fans Need To Call John Out On This!!!

    • Steve Griffin

      What exactly does that mean. Is he saying he’s not going to consider the WP as an option?

      • Derrick Ford

        He believes WM is a failure. Evident by Tmobile not carrying any WM device in stores that even could be updated to WM10. He is in bed with Apple right now. Other, than John’s negative opinion of Microsoft and Windows Phones…he has been a pretty good CEO. I am a Tmobile subscriber myself. But, it is shameful that I had to buy the unlocked Variant of the Lumia 1520 from Brazil (called the 1520.3) which uses Tmobile LTE radios. And it looks like I will have to buy the unlocked 950xl.

        • g2a5b0e

          He is in bed with Apple right now? Considering the iPhone is the single best-selling phone in the world every year, I think it’s safe to say that almost every carrier is either in or trying to get in on that action.

        • Derrick Ford

          Yeah… But, Remember John is getting “Sloppy 4ths…with the iPhone”. He is blowing the opportunity to also still some more Sprint and Verizon Customers…these phones WILL NOT work on their networks. I like John, but on this He is being an A Hole!!!

          Another good read…from the MS perspective is what Paul Wrote. Check it out:

          https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thurrott/your_fear_of_limited_lumia_availability_is_misplaced

        • jabberwolf

          Actually Android is… IPhone just resells to retarded sheep.
          Windows phone has a much larger % outside of the USA.
          It works, works well, syncs well, and its issue free.
          IPhone is retarded with disjointed options for configuration.. and Android is just buggy.

        • DStudio

          There you go – why would TMUS care about a phone that sells well *outside* of the US – no reason to carry it.

          As an aside, I hope you haven’t chosen Samsung phones – Any Samsung Android devices I’ve had stop getting any meaningful support or updates from Samsung after a year (maybe even less). The iPhone 4S will continue to have iOS updates and support for at least another year now!

        • duscrom

          Android is an OS, iPhone is a device. So, the comparison is irrelevant.

        • Steve Griffin

          Your probably right on what he thinks but who can really say. I think WP 10 Continuum will be the break thru phone that gets them out of the hole. BTW, WM was a failure that’s why we have WP. I know what you’re saying….lol

    • Tmo1082

      What was the comment that John Legere responding to? You need to post the whole tweet not just part of it.

      • Ordeith

        Legere subsequently tweeted that he thinks the Lumia 950 and Windows 10 Mobile in general are destined to be the new Firephone and FirephoneOS.

        He doesn’t like WP, he doesn’t like his WP customers, he doesn’t WANT to sell them – not really. He just saw an oportunity to stick himself into the media and bark for the T-Mobile side show some more.

        • taxandspend

          Read the PC Mag article. You’ll see that Microsoft ~is the reason~ it’s only at AT&T.

        • jabberwolf

          taxandspend I did read it, and Legere is LYING.
          He doesnt even support the phones he did carry. They tmobile stores dont even carry the images to revamp the tmobile phones they did support. You cannot get a replacement.. and they do not have an image to reformat it if you get an unlocked copy.
          Legere is just a loser when it comes to vision, he just wants the immediate cash for selling idiot phones to sheep.

        • taxandspend

          I guess you didn’t read it then. Legere wasn’t the source for the article. I guess you ignored Microsoft’s official statement that said they only offered it to AT&T.

      • Derrick Ford

        Ummm, Tmo1082 I take the Tmo part stands for Tmobile. What is posted on Twitter is “Public Domain”. You simply follow John on Twitter. Plus, follow who he tweeted. They are referenced with the @ symbols. Other than that…it is what Ordieth said. What John Tweeted CANNOT BE TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. Also, if you need Twitter training…I Accept PayPal,

  • René Marquardt

    Bullshit. See: history of T-Mobile and Windows Phone. Lumia 810, dropped from support a few months after it was introduced, Lumia 640, sold for total of what, 3 weeks?

    • ac

      M8 released without Wifi calling after their announcement that all phones would have it, then dropped a couple months later without ever having a single update.

  • Randall Lind

    Windows phone suck ass so who cares?

    • EricDoe

      I do.

    • Shamoy Rahman

      used to, not anymore because of continuum

    • Daryl Pruitt

      When did you have one last? I’m curious.

      • Randall Lind

        My friend has a Lumia 635 and to me it is slow and not very friendly

    • Paul Verizzo

      Amazing how many trolls hang out on forums to hate what they don’t own or know about.

      If I found myself hanging around, oh, and iPhone forum constantly dissing the product, a question needs to be asked: Why? Answer: I have no life and am a useless, petty biological mass trying to pretend to have value.

  • peevee

    Most new devices and even cars are now being sold with smartphone app support. iOS and Android, but almost never Windows (unless its one of the few MS devices). So there, MS lost the game.

  • Paul Verizzo

    Legere is so full of shit he sets a new standard.

    Just catching up with some TM/WP things, seeing if anything has changed for the better. Just for the worse. Ladies and Gentlemen, the Prosecution will prove that Mr. Legere has had a long antipathy, if not outright hatred for Windows Phone products.

    If the 810 had received Wifi Calling like the poor cousin did, the 521, I would still be happy with that phone. Two months on the market, abandoned except for updates through the MS Developers App.

    The 640 was anticipated for more months than it was sold, and just like the 810, pulled after only a couple of months.

    The 925 – also sold by ATT – had major Wifi Calling issues until finally resolved many months after promising to do so.

    That the 925 was sold parallel to ATT’s, shows that Legere just chose to go the easy route. Do nothing. He’s enough of a big boy to pick up his (TMO) phone and reach the highest echelons at MS.

    No, Mr. Legere chose to ignore the fact that ATT is obviously selling WP’s and play into his own preferences instead of giving some customers the choice. “Look, we just don’t sell many WP’s.” Well, duh! You don’t have any to sell, or you pull them right after introducing them! Something about chickens and eggs.

    The WP interface is so superior in simplicity and feature that going back to Android would be like B&W television. I guess at some point I could get an ATT phone and flash the ROM, but if it doesn’t have VoLTE and Wifi Calling, I won’t even consider.

  • Paul Verizzo

    Another factor not considered in this thread or comments is the MS push for a totally integrated OS across devices, that your PC will look like and operate like your Windows Phone, and tablet, and “wearable.” MS learned from their 8/8.1 travesties and has taken a bold leap where no OS has gone before with W10. Not even Apple. Complaints? Hardly any. Costly? No, it’s free, and the word from MS is that w10 is the last of the named line. From here on, just constant updates. Free.

    It is very well integrated with OneDrive. I was so skeptical of how a cloud storage could help me two years ago. Now, I’m sold. Sure Apple and Google have their versions, but the graphics of the entire Windows OS – once Metro, now who knows what? – is so bold, easy to navigate, well thought out, those life tiles|! When I have to go to someone’s Google Drive or whatever they call it, or Dropbox, I feel like I’m looking at one of those old, hard to read books from the 18th century.

    Anyway, my long winded point is that if MS wants their environment to succeed, they have to get TM on board. Every satisfied user of W10 – now in the millions – is a potential satisfied user of a Windows Phone.