iPhone 6 and iPhone 6+ official, bigger screens, better cameras and more T-Mo friendly

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Apple just took the wraps of its new iPhones. The iPhone 6 and iPhone 6+ look exactly like we were expecting. The phones are larger, and thinner than the iPhone 5/5s. iPhone 6 has a 4.7-inch, 1334×750 resolution display (326ppi) whereas the iPhone 6+ has a full HD 5.5-inch display (401ppi). But it’s not just the resolution that’s exciting here. The new displays use thinner backlights, and the LCD panel is made with dual domain pixels which broaden the view and make for more accurate colors. Deeper blacks come in too, and the polarizing layer should mean easier daylight viewing.

iPhone 6 is 6.9mm thin and the 6+ is 7.1mm thin.

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As for the user interface, Apple’s done what it can to make them both easier to use one-handed but also take advantage of the larger screen real estate. Apps like Messages and Mail let you see the inbox and message thread on one screen and the keyboard includes new keys for functions like copy and paste. In portrait mode, if you’re struggling to reach the top of the app, you can double-tap the home button to bring it down.

There’s a subtle curve on the edge of the display too, which makes for easy side-swiping gestured to navigate through UI layers within the apps.

Apple’s new iPhones also contain the brand new A8 chip. It’s 64-but like the A7 but contains twice the number of transistors (up to 2B from 1B), and uses the commonly used 28nm process. It’s 25% faster CPU and 50% faster graphics should make it a pleasant improvement from the current devices.

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More importantly though, it’s now 50% more energy efficient, so you’ll get 11 hours of video watching on the iPhone 6 and 14 hours on the iPhone 6+. Let’s hope that means a full day’s use on a full charge.

On to the hot topic for T-Mobile subscribers: It’s now compatible with 20 LTE bands. It wasn’t mentioned specifically, but let’s hope that means band 12, A-block is included. What is included for the first time is VoLTE, and T-Mobile is going to be an official partner that launches this wireless service with Apple in the U.S, along with a handful of others across the globe. Wi-Fi calling is also going to be available to T-Mobile users, along with Deutsche Telekom’s half-owned UK carrier, EE.

Camera pixel count is the same as before – 8MP – but we’re going to see phase-detection autofocus for the first time, along with advanced face detection. You’ll be able to focus twice as fast as before and produce great images, particularly great Macro shots. The only difference on the camera side is that the iPhone 6+ has Image Stabilization, where the iPhone 6 doesn’t.

Apple’s also determined to crack the mobile payments market, and the iPhone 6 will be equipped with NFC and integrated in to Apple’s new Apple Pay mobile wallet service.

No official T-Mobile prices yet, but the iPhone 6 is priced at $199, $299 and $399 on contract for 16GB, 64GB and 128GB models respectively. iPhone 6+ will be $299, $399 and $499 for the same options. Both will be available in Space Grey, Silver and Gold and will go on sale on September 19. Pre-orders go live on September 12th.

QUICK Update: 

No band 12 support for the iPhone 6 or 6 plus. They support virtually every other LTE other band.  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 13, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28, 29 even TD-LTE bands 38, 39, 40 and 41. That said, at least it supports up to 150Mbps down. Just no 700MHz love for T-Mo users.

Check the iPhone 6 spec list here.

 

 

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  • schweddyballs

    6+ looks great. Wish they would have mentioned the price off contract.

    • KingCobra

      Just add $100 to whatever the iPhone 5S was off contract for each size.

    • Fabian Cortez

      The iPhone 6 Plus 128 GB off-contract is probably close to $950.

      • the2000guy

        Not everyone need a 128GB iphone. There is people who need a large phone and not necessarily like android or windows ecosystem. So now will see how many people will go back to iphone after leaving time ago for a bigger android or windows phone.

  • Roger Sales

    Anyone else pissed the 16GB model isn’t 32?

    • BlackJu

      Not Apple, they know you’ll shell out $100 for storage “ransom”

      • John

        But at least for $100 more you go from 16gb to 64gb. In years past previous iphone models would go up in price by $100, but you would only go from 16gb to 32gb. So there is a bright side to all of this.

        • BlackJu

          So slightly less of a ripoff then?

        • John

          Yes, much less of a ripoff when you get the middle or high flash memory iPhone model.

          Here’s how the iPhone 6 16gb $649, 64gb $749, and $849 128gb
          or iPhone 6 plus $749 16gb, $849 64 gb, and $949 128gb.

          When the 5s first launched last year the highest capacity you could get was 64 gb and the price for the 5s 64gb when it launched last year was $849. The iPhone 6 will get you double the memory for last year price of the high capacity iPhone model.

          However, the deal this stinks for those getting the entry level model getting absolutely no bump in flash storage being stuck with 16gb unless you want to fork out more money.

    • CalicoKJ

      Definitely at least disappointed. Since the “step up” is 64GB…

    • Fabian Cortez

      Actually, from their point of view, that’s an excellent pricing strategy to get that extra $100 out of the customer.

      16 GB just isn’t enough anymore.

    • Dark enV

      Incredibly pissed about that. 16GB is pathetic

    • Adrayven

      They lowered the pricing on the 64gb to the old 32Gb pricing.. and put the 128GB model in the 64GB slot.. for the 4.7″ model…

      Premium $100 for 5.5″

      • Roger Sales

        It’s a bullshit marketing move because they know 16 is too small and you know it.

  • BlackJu

    When will apple get into the home equity LoC business? Their phones are getting more expensive, yet the industry is moving away from contract subsidies, putting downward pressure on prices. But I guess there will always be aspirational buyers, right?

    • Fabian Cortez

      Or maybe the price shock which will equate to lack of sales will force Apple to change their pricing model.

      Look what happened to the price of the original iPhone back in 2007.

      • KingCobra

        It won’t. If anything the lack of subsidies will increase sales with the $99 and $0 down stuff that the carriers dangle in consumers faces. Americans don’t care about how much things cost in the long term. It’s all about getting it cheap upfront.

        • MrBigShot

          thats completely untrue and thats why most are switching too no contract plans and foregoing subsidies.

        • KingCobra

          Any evidence of this? Last I checked T-Mobile and the carriers were selling more iPhones and smartphones in general than ever with their no subsidy plans. Postpaid service is still growing at a rapid rate that far outpaces the prepaid market. Sounds like you’ve been reading too many misguided speculation articles.

          When the average consumer walks into a store and sees “$0 iPhone”, that’s it. Most don’t care about the long term cost factored in by the $25 monthly payments. They just want the latest phone for a low price upfront. Most can’t afford to pay $649 all upfront and go to prepaid like you’re suggesting they are.

    • Nick Gonzalez

      I like your style, take my upvote!!

  • Paul Garrison

    About time! WOW! So innovative! Apple brings the world the first ever phablet. That is a good name, right?

    • The iPhablet!

    • HeatFan786

      iOverratedToy sounds better.

    • master yoda

      the sarcasm is strong with this one.

  • dontsh00tmesanta

    wow no 32gb option eh? that killed it for me…..

    • monkeybutts

      The 64 GB option is a lot better shame they didn’t increase the base model though.

      • dontsh00tmesanta

        Thats what I am saying

    • Adrayven

      Umm.. old pricing for $299 you would have gotten 32GB..

      with new change, they LOWERED the price of 64GB from $399 to $299.. so you’re complaining that it COSTS LESS to get twice the space?

      • dontsh00tmesanta

        The 32gb option should have been in place of the 16gb. That being said im opting for the 64gb one but not everyone needs 64gb and 16gb is too low, for most. S

    • the2000guy

      Killed you for that? Now you are getting twice the storage for the same price as the old 32GB. At least apple did something for their customers.

      • dontsh00tmesanta

        The 32gb option should have been in place of the 16gb. That being said im opting for the 64gb one but not everyone needs 64gb and 16gb is too low, for most

  • Fabian Cortez

    Pricey on-contract phones. $499 for 128 GB iPhone 6 Plus. Ouch.

    Cam, you forgot to mention that Wi-Fi calling will seamlessly transfer the call from Wi-Fi to cellular. This is unlike anything offered by Android and Windows Phone. This is reminiscent of the old UMA.

    Also, the iPhone 6 Plus will have an exclusive hardware-based Optical Image Stabilization like the Nokia Lumia phones.

    • Alex Zapata

      Source on the WiFi calling handoff? Because the handoff is more of a network feature than a handset feature as of now.

      • maximus1901

        Apple said it during keynote

        • David C

          Thats the best news ever!!

      • Fabian Cortez

        Phil Schiller said it himself. He then mentioned that T-Mobile US and EE will be the only ones supporting Wi-Fi Calling at the moment.

        • Alex Zapata

          Very nice. I wonder how well it’ll work.

        • Fabian Cortez

          Probably as well as the transition from WCDMA voice to GSM.

    • hit_the_lights

      Still probably can’t take pictures in 16:9 aspect ratio. Back off iSheep.

      • Fabian Cortez

        Who aspires to take pictures in 16:9?

        Go troll somewhere else.

        Android has had SEVEN YEARS to perfect Wi-Fi Calling.

        • BlackJu

          Me. I do.

        • hit_the_lights

          lots of people dumbass.

        • Fabian Cortez

          Insults always win arguments.

  • Paul Garrison

    WOW! these phone are very expensive. That is crazy.

    • YBNormal

      That won’t stop them from selling. Apple makes their killing based on perceived value. An 8mp camera?? The Galaxy Note 4 has 16mp! Drink that kool-aid, iSheep.

      • Paul Garrison

        I know, they will sell like hotcakes.

      • maximus1901

        It’s not just about the pixels. It’s how you use them. Did you pay attention to the pixel design?

        • Nick Gonzalez

          its not the size of the ship, its the motion of the ocean…

        • Paul Garrison

          wookiegr?

        • david

          You know what? That’s the same thing HTC said. Yet nobody denies how awful their cameras are.

        • itguy08

          Well it is true within reason….

          My 12.3MP Nikon D300 will blow away my 16MP GS5! Why? Pixel size. Blow up a JPEG out of the D300 and it’s crisp and looks great. Blow up a JPEG out of the GS5 and it’s fuzzy. That’s that pesky pixel size.

        • sloanie

          Hated the camera on the HTC One. Obviously pixel size is just a small piece of the puzzle. Camera is the #1 reason I went back to Apple / iPhone.

      • Steve

        You do realize that pixel count doesn’t mean a damn thing unless you’re blowing the picture up, right?? Type of lens, filters, etc. mean a hell of a lot more than the pixel count. Brush up on your camera knowledge next time before you post something like that.

      • Alex Zapata

        Pixel count is only one small piece the puzzle.

    • rafe1621

      Aren’t most high-end phones around these price points?

      • sloanie

        Yeah, pretty similar. I think the main difference is that Apple is pretty hard on their pricing– you won’t see much in the way of discounts, where you might find a Samsung discounted by a full $200 at some point (either on sale or a permanent discount prior to the next version being released). The Note 3 right now makes the iPhone 6+ look way expensive– but the Note 3 started around $800, which is actually a hair more expensive than the 6+ starts at.

        • rafe1621

          Exactly! I don’t know why people make such a big deal about iPhone pricing. Apple tends to follow the industry pricing standards when it comes to their mobile offerings.

    • itguy08

      My GS5 was $650. And that’s a 16GB phone. So about in line with the iPhone 6+.

      • Paul Garrison

        When you compare spec it’s not even close and I’m not a fan of Sammy either. Water resistance, expandable memory, battery, camera, 1080p, and I’m sure there are things that I missed.

        • itguy08

          You do realize even the 5s keeps pace with the GS5 and outpaces it in many areas. Ok, then compare the HTC One M8 with the iPhone. It’s about the same price as the GS5 and has a lot of the same features as the iPhone 6+.

          I want to like my GS5 but my next phone will be another iPhone. Apple gets it. Samsung/Google get part of it and leave you with a disjointed experience. My GS5 has so much disjointed apps it’s not funny. It could have been great but sadly it’s not.

          Apple invented pretty much nothing demoed today. But it has an experience that is light years ahead of Google and Android. Pay with your watch is brilliant and something Android Wear should have been able to do. Apple Pay will work better than Google Wallet/NFC.

          The watch seems like a companion that Android Wear should have been. Looks like they took what others did and polish it to an actual shipping product that doesn’t suck or look FUGLY.

          Apple is never about cheapest or specs. They are about the total package and making it work best for users. You pay a slight premium for it. Whether or not that is what you want is up to you.

        • Paul Garrison

          So you like the watch. You might as well go back to a 5s then.

  • Paul

    “WHAT?! No expandable memory?” he said facetiously.

    • james

      Aww come on put your pics in the cloud its safe lol have you ever seen fbi move so fast

      • Paul

        Sure! Hopefully no one hacks it and steals my selfies.

  • kev2684

    look at those contract pricing. this will probably help T-Mo attract people with $0 down plus $30-40 EIP. with credit approval of course.

    • monkeybutts

      It’s been the same pricing for a few years now on contract.

  • Wil

    I was really interested in the 6 plus until that price. Eh, let’s see what comes of it in terms of pricing for TMo

    • Fabian Cortez

      It’ll be MSRP. Maybe a short-lived $50 discount.

      Remember, the carriers sell these phones at MSRP. That doesn’t mean they buy them at that price.

      • Wil

        $50 is a small dent when EIP for me is about 55% down.

  • david

    Blunder of the century

  • VG

    Why do the new iPhones have to be so thin? Can’t they make them just a little bit thicker and squeeze in a larger battery? I would think most people would want a larger battery with moderate phone thickness as opposed to small battery with ultra-ultra-slimness.

    • VG

      Just for comparison, the iPhone 5s is 7.6mm thick. Both of these new iPhones are thinner than that. 6.9mm for the 6, and 7.1mm for the 6+.

      I’d rather have the new phones with the same 7.6mm thickness as the 5s with larger batteries.

    • monkeybutts

      it will most likely have a wider battery. It’s a bigger phone overall though so we’ll still need to see what true battery life is like.

  • Adrayven

    The A8 is 20nm, not 28…

    • the2000guy

      Absolutely, Cam fix it please!!!

  • mctommy

    not sure why people are surprised by the prices of iPhone 6 and iPhone6+… it’ll be retail on t-mobile just like past offerings… if the prices on contract are online… then you’ll end up paying $649/749/849 for iPhone6… and likely $749/849/949 for iPhone6+

    original price for the note 3 on tmobile was like what… $700+? $660 for the Galaxy S5?

    • Paul Garrison

      I think people are a little shock at the price of the S2 and Note.

  • notyourbusiness

    Not quite getting the point of a 16GB version rather than 32GB. I’m impressed they’re finally releasing a phone with 128GB though!

    • CalicoKJ

      I think they’re making the 128GB look like a better “value” which would drive sales of that model vs only getting 16GB on the “entry” level.

    • nutmac

      Simple. If the base model starts with 32GB, it would hurt Apple’s margin as the average selling price of iPhone was $580 last quarter. I personally agree that there should be only 2 storage configurations, 32GB at $650 ($750 for 6+) and 128GB for $200 more. My wife and I have 32GB iPhone 5 and 5s currently and we frankly don’t really need 64GB but need more than 16GB.

  • kk888

    There is no band 12.. Disappointing
    http://www.apple.com/iphone-6/specs/

    • mooch

      Am I the only one around here who doesn’t know what this prestigious band 12 is? Can someone kindly explain like I’m 5?

      • kk888

        Band 12 means LTE band class 12, which includes the lower 700Mhz block a,b&c. The band 17 which the iphone currently have only includes block b and c. AT&T and some small carriers use block b and block c. The reason band 17 ever existed is because the tv channel 51 May causes interference to block A due to proximity of the channel, so att requested band 17 to avoid this risk. T-Mobile currently owns some 700 block a licenses, and 700Mhz band can help building penetration and have wider coverage. That’s why people wants band 12

      • VG

        T-Mobile owns some 700Mhz frequency (known as the 700A Block, also known as LTE Band 12) in various parts of the US. This frequency travels further and deeper than T-Mobile’s existing frequencies. Once T-Mobile activates this frequency, a lot of people will get a better signal (yes, even indoors), assuming your phone has the necessary hardware. Unfortunately, none of the iPhones (not even the new ones) support this LTE Band 12.

  • VG

    I just saw the iPhone 6 specs on the Apple web site. No mention of which LTE bands are supported. However, I did notice that the iPhone 5s will NOT be able to use Apple Pay; seems like this is only for the iPhone 6 and 6+.

    • It’s a hardware feature that’s only in the new iPhones.

    • Adrayven

      Correct. It uses NFC

    • adam

      there is also a chip that stores encrypted data on 6 that is missing on 5

      • Lyle Chip Chipperson

        Wassat?

    • nutmac

      Apple Watch is compatible with iPhone 5, 5s, and 5c as well. Since Apple Watch supports Apple Pay, I presume one would be able to use the service with it with older iPhone models.

  • fiko

    There’s no 12 band.

    LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 13, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28, 29)

    • Adrayven

      Thats only 16 bands.. they said 20 bands bud..

      • VG

        The China version has 4 extra LTE bands, making it 20 bands. Definitely no Band 12 on any of the models.

    • Sam Samuel

      this fucking sucks…

      • Casey

        +1. Couldn’t agree more … so frustrating. This literally prevents me from switching to T-Mo.

        • Delusion_FTL

          You let Apple dictate your carrier?

        • Casey

          While I appreciate your sarcasm and less than subtle intent, no I don’t let Apple dictate my carrier. I simply prefer using an iPhone. I have nothing against Android, but with an iPhone, iPad, MacBook, and Apple TV, I’m invested in their ecosystem and for me, there’s no better option when it comes to elegant and efficient integration of devices. So, I will always choose to use an iPhone and I am very disappointed by the lack of LTE band 12 support; based on the MANY comments here and on other websites, I’m not alone. For iPhone users who would like the best T-Mobile network experience, this is a real letdown.

        • Delusion_FTL

          No sarcasm or intent, only wanted a yes or no, your long reply was simply a yes.

          Please don’t misconstrue my message as one of saying your wrong, or making bad choices, or Apple sucks or anything like that. I was just curious to see how devoted you were to a electronics design company.

          I completely agree that the iphone 6 should have had band 12, just like I think the 4s and on should have had NFC and a screen that wasnt miniature, and that the 5, and on should have had wireless charging, and on and on. The real kicker is that the source of you being forced to other carriers is entirely Apple’s fault, yet you pretend that you’re choosing something that is “elegant and efficient”. There’s no choosing. You get what apple decides you get. When it comes time to pick a smart watch, you have no choice. You have no feature set to compare, you get only what apple finds worthy to bestow on you.

          Let me give a little story. Imagine if you loved starbucks… A lot. And you went there every day and bought their coffee, breads, etc.. You have all the loyalty cards, easy payments set up, favorite table. The works. Now imagine someone saying to you “hey, this other coffee shop down the street is offering their new pumpkin spice coffee”, and you really like pumpkin spice coffee.
          So, starbucks has a big event with their “new flavors of fall” and you’re just sure starbucks is going to reveal pumpkin spice coffee, but nope it doesn’t happen. And instead of going to the other coffee shop and enjoying some pumpkin spice coffee for a few months, because, well you don’t have a loyalty card, or a favorite table, etc… you just lament that starbucks didn’t give you what you wanted and sulk for another year hoping they will eventually give you what you want.

          That’s why I find your story interesting. Again, please don’t misread, there’s nothing wrong here, just interesting.

        • Casey

          Agree to disagree. I took a moment to read some of your other comments and you’ve made it abundantly clear how you feel about Apple, the iPhone, and people who choose to buy them. Whatever your intentions were, both your original comment and response are condescending and infer that you think you know why people make a decision more so than they do.

          In your very first sentence you disregard my response with, “your long reply was simply a yes.” No, it wasn’t simply a yes. The reason I went into more detail was to explain why it’s not Apple that dictates my carrier, but choices I make of my own free will. But you chose to ignore everything I said and instead accuse me of pretending to find the Apple ecosystem elegant and efficient; sorry not pretending. I do find OS X, iOS, and the way Apple devices integrate to be the most elegant and efficient solution for me. I’m not going to accuse you of pretending that some other company is a better fit for you because I trust you’re making that decision for yourself.

          By your reasoning, every service provider or CE company makes choices for their consumers. You could say T-Mobile left me no choice because they bought a ton of spectrum that is currently not supported by a wide range of devices. You could say Samsung left me no choice because I don’t want a 5+” plastic phone and they refuse to make a smaller, premium option. You think the iPhone 4S should have had a larger screen and NFC, the 5 should have had wireless charging, etc. Okay, fine but I don’t. I still chose to buy those phones because I felt the features they offered were more important to me than the ones they didn’t.

          You say, “There’s no choosing. You get what apple decides you get. When it comes time to pick a smart watch, you have no choice. You have no feature set to compare, you get only what apple finds worthy to bestow on you.” Other than the obviously sarcastic and condescending tone of that statement, what bothers me most about it is the false logic. You could swap out Apple for Samsung, LG, HTC, Nokia, or just about any other brand and your basic point would still be true.

          Like so many others, you try to make Apple into this evil empire that dictates what choices consumers make when in fact, EVERY device maker picks and chooses which features they deem “worthy” and when they’ll support them. They all make choices for the consumer and every device is a balance between pros and cons for the person who purchases it; there’s always compromises. The choice that both you and I have, that makes every consumer equal, is they choose which device works best for them. For me, despite the lack of certain features I want when I want them, it is the iPhone. No pretending … that’s my choice and why I choose to make it.

    • Anonymouse

      I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…history repeats itself.
      before the AWS band now Band 12. but who knows apple may release an
      update when t-mo launches Band 12 similar to what they did with the AWS.

      • Adrayven

        True…

      • Sam Samuel

        I’m guessing we’ll see Band 12 on the iPhone 6s lol

        • the2000guy

          And in the Iphone 6S Plus!!!

      • lynyrd65

        Nope, only one carrier wants band 12 support more than T-Mobile and that’s US Cellular. They already had a band 12 network but Apple refused to support it, so they had to go back and do a band 5 overlay everywhere they could, just to get the iphone! They couldn’t do it everywhere (as some parts of their network cover areas where they only have PCS and 700mhz A-Block spectrum, Omaha is the most obvious example).

        So no one needs a band 12 iphone more then they do, yet here we are with no band 12 support on the US Cellular model! If Apple was going to support band 12 they would have immediately. US Cellular isn’t going to wait around for T-Mo to build a network.

  • VG

    Oh, no! No Band 12 on the new iPhones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • VG

    No LTE Band 12!Here’s the Apple web site showing the LTE bands: http://www.apple.com/iphone-6/specs/?cid=wwa-us-kwg-iphone-com

    • Fabian Cortez

      Wait for the FCC documents to confirm.

      Hopefully Sprint changes their line unlocking policy. The Sprint variant is the same as the AT&T/T-Mobile/Verizon variant but has more LTE bands.

      True interoperability is what we’re seeking.

      • maximus1901

        Sprint variant has same number of fdd bands and same fdd bands.
        Additional it has 1 sprint and 3 other Tdd bands.

      • TechHog

        Dude, if Apple says it doesn’t have it, it doesn’t have it. Don’t live in denial. Besides, if you’re a true Apple fan, you’ll just think of reasons why it’s unnecessary anyway.

        • Fabian Cortez

          Way to contradict yourself there.

          Clearly you are speaking for yourself here.

          Apple has omitted specs from its website before but they showed up on the FCC.

          Troll harder next time?

  • Jaffar

    iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus

    Model Number2

    LTE Band Support3

    Country

    Supported LTE Networks

    iPhone 6
    Model A1549 (GSM)
    Model A1549 (CDMA)

    iPhone 6 Plus
    Model A1522 (GSM)
    Model A1522 (CDMA)

    1 (2100 MHz)

    2 (1900 MHz)

    3 (1800 MHz)

    4 (AWS)

    5 (850 MHz)

    7 (2600 MHz)

    8 (900 MHz)

    13 (700c MHz)

    17 (700b MHz)

    18 (800 MHz)

    19 (800 MHz)

    20 (800 DD)

    25 (1900 MHz)

    26 (800 MHz)

    28 (700 APT MHz)

    29 (700 de MHz)

    United States

    Aio
    AT&T
    Cricket
    T-Mobile
    Verizon

    Canada

    Bell (including Virgin)
    MTS
    Rogers (including Fido)
    SaskTel
    Telus (including Koodo)

    Puerto Rico

    AT&T
    T-Mobile

    No Band 12 Apple may release modified version of iPhone 6 and 6 Plus with Band 12

  • alex

    Band 12 is not included just saw it on Apple webpage

  • sadeeq

    i personally think the iphones are fairly priced
    cant wait to get mine.

  • ragumaster

    749 on tombile apple website has price up with out contract

    • TechHog

      Which model and size?

      • ragumaster

        5.5 16gb 4.7 is 649 16 gb

        • PJTech

          iphone 6 plus on starts at 64gb

        • ragumaster

          wrong lol look at there website.

  • PJTech

    Tmobile iphone 6 plus will start at 750.00

  • Mike

    I think this phone is terrible. Im let down. From a tech standpoint, its already outdated before consumers can even get their hands on it. Look at the specs on the LG G3 for example. I toasts what the iPhone 6 or 6+ will do. Ill stay with my iPhone 5s and consider an Android.

    • Anonymous

      Specs mean jack squat. The polish in every single thing theyve done SHINES. The thinness alone, the curved edges, even the smallest one is a nice size increase over the previous model. The VOLTE, Tthe Wifi calling, Itll support Tmos 700 Band. Just a classy presentation. And the G3s screen is rubbish. Its dim because LCD tech hasnt caught up to 1440P. Its slow, and is only barely usable wih the new Snapdragon 805 version which isnt even out yet here.

      • NYC33

        Read the specs again because this phone won’t support band 12 (700).

        • Paul Garrison

          You beat me to it.

        • Anonymous

          Yeah? Where are the bands listed out? Put it up there genius.

        • Paul Garrison

          It’s been post already, but here.

          UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz)

          GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)

          LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 13, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28, 29)

        • Paul Garrison

          It’s been post already, but here.

          UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz)

          GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)

          LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 13, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28, 29)

        • Anonymous

          Show me one OFFICIAL SOURCE with those bands listed. Now.

        • VG

          Dude, chill out. It’s already on Apple’s web site for the 6 and 6+. LTE Band 12 is not one of the 20 bands listed. See my link below, I posted it earlier.

        • anonymous

          Show me where in Apples site the bands are listed. Post a link.

        • thepanttherlady

          How many times do you need it to be posted? Good grief.

          http://www.apple.com/iphone-6/specs/

        • Paul

          I can post it a few more times!
          What’re we postin’?

        • thepanttherlady

          Don’t you dare! =P

        • Paul

          …is it band 12 stuff??

        • CalicoKJ

          http://www.apple com/iphone-6/specs/

        • Paul Garrison
        • Paul Garrison
      • Paul Garrison

        Thinness equals small battery. Nothing is new that you named. The M8 does all of this and then some.

        • Anonymous

          Go buy an M8 then and keep your mouth shut. But you and I both know that M8 sales are marginal at best despite all the hype. The plasticomatic cheapo ones keep outselling them in multiples

        • Paul Garrison

          WOW! Defensive I see.

        • Mike

          Typical Apple fanboy who does not see things for what they are.

      • Mike

        The iPhone 6 has a dual core 1.4Ghz processor and only 1 GB or RAM. This is something Apple is proud of? A good portion of Androids already run quad cores. They also have 2 and 3 GB of RAM.

        • sloanie

          I do not understand while Apple hamstrings current devices (there’s no indication that the dual core A8 will be a slouch in any way compared to current Android devices, but there ARE specific use cases where the lack of RAM does hurt. I just don’t get why they haven’t bumped it up yet).

        • The Majority of iPhone users, who BTW are not techies, could care less. They are older suburban WOMEN who enjoy the simplicity of having a “smart phone”. MEN are now able to enjoy their iPhones MORE because of things like Jailbreaking, and can watch free movies on their iPhones using MovieBox. So, just because you are a techie genuis, doesn’t mean everyone else is. Allow other people to enjoy their devices.

        • Mike

          When did I claim to be a tech genuis? Also, you should know the demograph of iPhone users before you make statements that are not accurate.

        • donnybee

          This has nothing to do with anything.

        • Mike

          Neither does your statement. I merely stated facts about the A8 processor.

        • donnybee

          Was I talking to you?

        • Mike

          Was I talking to you in any of my posts?

        • the2000guy

          That’s right about women. Most of them want simplicity. They just want to use messages, phone and camera apps. Then there is the social women who add facebook, twitter and instagram. And of course, that it look cute, LOL.

        • donnybee

          Want to know why Android needs that level of specs? Because if it ran on a dual core processor with 1 GB of RAM, it would be worthless. Good thing at least 1 company makes an OS that is efficient. Android’s resolution to it’s spec-hogging system? ‘Just add more cores and RAM!’

          Did you know Windows 7 can run on 1 GB of RAM? Did you know Windows 7 can run on a dual core processor? A FULL DESKTOP OS!
          Did you know Android is worthless on 1 GB of RAM and anything less than quad core? We’re talking about a ‘mobile’ OS, again.

          Yeah, your argument is pointless. Blah blah blah I need 8 cores blah blah it’s crappy because it doesn’t have as much RAM as a desktop. Tell us again how hardware is more important than software. We’d all love a good laugh.

        • Mike

          So you are saying that better software wont run faster/better on better hardware?

        • donnybee

          It will. I’m not saying better hardware will never be a good thing. I’m saying there is a point where any software works perfect and you won’t be able to tell whether it has the best specs on the market, or the specs that it needs to run perfect. This goes with every device. Some operating systems are less demanding than others, for the same tasks.

        • the2000guy

          I am running Windows 7 in a PC with Pentium 4 and 3GB of RAM, LOL. And previously I tried it using 1GB of RAM.

        • KingCobra

          You’re comparing the specs of an optimized OS (iOS) to an inefficient one (Android). Of course Android needs higher specs in order to function properly.

        • TBN27

          And it still doesn’t run properly with all those high ballyhooed specs. It’s why I got rid of my galaxy S 5

      • Mike

        Most Androids on T-Mobile have had wifi calling for quite sometime. I believe Apple’s innovation died with Steve Jobs. Its sad too. He was a good man with a good vision.

        • the2000guy

          What are you saying is that Jobs will adopted Wifi Calling earlier? With all the jealousy he had with his products???

        • Mike

          That is not what I said. It is what you implied. Who knows what he would have done. He is no longer with us so how can you even post a question like that?

        • the2000guy

          As indicated Paul, Jobs made exclusive the iphone on At&t. So probably he could thought that. And I can post a question like that because ANYONE CAN!!!!

        • KingCobra

          Jobs didn’t even allow T-Mobile to sell the iPhone. Apple is fine.

        • Paul

          ???
          Jobs agreed to sell with AT&T, and not Verizon, Sprint, or T-Mobile. It was an exclusive to AT&T, which means Jobs wasn’t allowed per the contract with AT&T.

        • donnybee

          Haha I was thinking the same thing. And really, Jobs only allowed anyone to carry his phone because they were ponying up the $$$ in buckets. That model just couldn’t exist today.

      • JeffreyME

        “jack squat”?

    • donnybee

      Name one time when you needed ungodly specs on an iPhone. You have been fooled into thinking the more specs the better it is. In reality, those specs are only needed for spec-hogging OSes. Android wouldn’t run half as seamlessly on these specs as iOS. But all you see is a spec sheet that in reality says this phone doesn’t need ridiculous specs and you’re angry.

      Maybe instead of looking for crazy specs, you should look for refined OSes. Ones that can do everything you want fast, easy, and on hardware that isn’t rivaled by the PC market. It’s pretty sad when I can run a full Windows desktop operating system on 4 gigs of RAM and a dual core processor, yet Android phones are needing just as much, or more. Software is just as important as hardware, and that’s something you apparently can’t grasp just yet in life. Move along.

      • Mike

        Im not angry. If you read what I posted, I am let down. As the world of apps continues to explode, you will see the importance of specs. And with 4 GB of RAM on a PC, you must be using an old, slow, and outdated PC with Windows XP on it. lol

        • donnybee

          It’s a couple years old now. But tell me how that’s relevant when I can run a full desktop OS on those specs and it runs fantastic?

          By the way.. It’s Windows 7. It multitasks better than Android. Has more demanding applications. Also, here’s the spec sheet for Windows 7:

          If you want to run Windows 7 on your PC, here’s what it takes:
          1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor.
          1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit)
          16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)
          DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver.

          Tell me the last time you had a pleasant experience from Android on specs like this. Remember, this is a comparison between Windows 7 (desktop OS) and Android (mobile OS)..so that’s pretty sad.

          I for one, am really glad a company is able to make software that doesn’t need insane specs! Mobile software should be refined and less demanding on our hardware. Glad Apple is here to do what other manufacturers just can’t do.

        • Mike

          Im sure you can grow a beard waiting for that thing to do Windows Updates and service packs. Since when did Android become a PC based OS? There is the Chrome OS, but it is not the same as Android. Get with the times and move to Windows 8.1.

        • donnybee

          At least I’ll have access to updates..

          Android will never become a PC-based OS. Not until we can all carry little servers around that have 3 processors and 32 gigs of RAM. I kid.. But that’s the point. A full desktop operating system, that can do exponentially more than Android, doesn’t need the specs that Android does. This is to show the relation of Android to the world around it and why Android is the one behind it’s time by not being refined or streamlined at all in regards to how it performs on hardware. I’m sorry you aren’t understanding that.

        • Mike

          Here is what you dont understand. There are mobile devices out there that are much more capable than what your desktop can do. Computers and laptops will become obsolete to mobile devices in the near future. As software for mobile devices improves, the better specs will be needed and used.

        • donnybee

          What you don’t understand is that devices don’t need specs to sell.

          “As software improves..”
          Software IS improving. It will need better specs. BUT, as it improves, it should improve how it manages it’s hardware. This is called optimization and it’s possible right now, but Android is stuck in the old way of thinking – “Why fix how boggy the software is when we can just throw more hardware at it?”

          This gets nobody anywhere and is literally the way of thinking from the early part of the millennium.

        • Mike

          If you are so worried about how efficient software is and its relationship with hardware, why dont you have a Mac?

        • donnybee

          Haven’t felt the need to spend that much on a computer right now lol I’d love to have one, but between my personal and corporate laptops, I don’t have a need for it right now.

        • Matt

          Mike – Windows Updates and Service Packs aren’t RAM intensive operations. Do you know how RAM is used?

        • Mike

          Yes I do. Do you? Do you know about cores? Hyperthreading? L2 cache? I like current products that run in a timely manner. Time is money. A concept you dont understand.

        • Matt

          Yes. I support enterprise scale cloud environments and regularly work with things like RAM caching (i.e. Atlantis), ESXi density optimization, tiered Enterprise class arrays, etc. If you know this stuff as well as you indicate then you certainly know why Windows Update and Service Packs would make someone who really does know (like me) chuckle a bit.

        • Mike

          Sorry Matt, the reply was meant for donnybee

        • Matt

          Windows 7 32bit can only allocate 4GB of RAM. Heavily used in the Enterprise.

    • KingCobra

      iPhones are almost always “outdated” in pure terms of specs and raw power compared to Android. The OS is far more efficient so such monster specs are not required. If you wanted biggest numbers on your spec sheet you should’ve went to Android long ago.

      • Mike

        Not true. From a tech standpoint, the 5s had the first 64 bit processor. Cutting edge for its time. Its why I purchased the 5s.

        • donnybee

          So you buy products based off the spec sheet, and not it’s function.

          I guess since specs mean more to you than what a device can and will do, or your experience with it, then you really should go with Android. They’ve got what you’re really looking for now – a spec sheet that will get you to the moon!

        • Mike

          No. It simple really. I want a device that wont be irrelevant in a short period of time.

        • donnybee

          Well, then I lied. Android would be your worst choice. Planned obsolescence and lack of updates is not the route you want to go.

          Too bad there isn’t a company that’s determined to support it’s devices well into the future. Too bad there isn’t a company that will update as far back as it can, sometimes 4-5 years prior. Too bad there isn’t a company that isn’t planning to make it’s devices obsolete in order to sell the next version a year later.

          …oh wait. There is.

        • Paul

          No, there’s not. That’s the business model of almost all consumer products. Even apple stops supporting previous models.

        • donnybee

          It’s important to note that Apple can’t update all their past devices. But, they will support previous models until they can’t anymore. I would suggest that anyone who believes Apple isn’t going to support their products should look at this graph. This is the most recent study on a multitude of devices from HTC, Samsung, Motorola, and Apple.

          http://www.fidlee.com/android-support-vs-ios-support/

          Enjoy.

          There will be another performed later this year, and I will put money against anyone that says it won’t look like this again.

  • Fred

    I’ve seen a photo showing that you’ll be able to lock your messages && photos on iphone 6 . . . Anyone know if this is true ?!

    • Mike

      You will be able to access them from the lock screen rather than needing to go all the way in. iOS 8 feature.

      • Fred

        The photo I saw showed you had too put a password in too unlock photos && messages ?

        • Mike

          Fred, I really dont know about that part. I will find out and reply

        • Fred

          Okaaay thanks

  • honestabe

    So does this mean no VoLTE on iPhone 5s? I thought it would be supported…

    • Mike

      No VoLTE on the 5s. Hardware does not support it. The 5s will get wifi calling on T-Mobile though which I think is cool.

      • honestabe

        ah, that’s disappointing, but very glad that at least WiFi calling will work!

  • texasbrian

    no band 12
    http://www.apple.com/iphone-6/specs/
    Cellular and Wireless

    Model A1549 (GSM)*
    Model A1522 (GSM)*

    UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz)

    GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)

    LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 13, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28, 29)

  • Casey

    So very, very disappointed in the lack of LTE band 12 support. With how cozy Apple and T-Mobile have been getting lately, I thought this would be a given. Seems like somebody at Apple and even more so at T-Mo dropped the ball on this one. It will literally prevent me from switching to T-Mo which I’d planned on doing tomorrow but without 700Mhz access, it’s just not an option. Really, really frustrated.

  • jimmysalg

    ….i just can’t believe the lack of band 12!!!!! How did this happen?????

    • UMA_Fan

      Is this confirmed?

      • wazmo

        Go look at the FCC approval docs – Band 13, Band 17, no band 12.

    • Casey

      I had to read the specs two or three times once Apple posted them. I just kept thinking I was missing it … still can’t believe it’s not there. It’s a real middle finger to T-Mo and all the network improvements they’ve been making.

      • honestabe

        tomorrow’s tmobile event should be interesting…

        • Casey

          My thoughts exactly. I’m guessing they’ll just ignore the whole issue but maybe not. I’d love to hear them address is because it has a direct impact on the quality of service for a lot of their customers.

        • honestabe

          Or maybe just try tweeting Legere?

        • Casey

          Not a bad idea … so I gave it a try. I’ll let you know if he (or anybody else from T-Mo) replies. Here’s hoping!

        • matt

          pcell deployment in SF

      • UMA_Fan

        I’m guessing Apple finalized the antennas before T-Mobile closed the spectrum deal. Still a huge disappointment though.

        • Casey

          I’m not sure I buy this. T-Mo closed the deal on the new spectrum back in January. I’m fairly sure the antennas hadn’t been finalized at that time. I don’t know what happened behind the scenes, and we’ll probably never know, but for T-Mo not to put enough pressure on Apple and/or throw enough money at them to ensure band 12 LTE is a big mistake in my opinion. The process of getting this locked down should have been happening at the same time they were buying the spectrum.

        • UMA_Fan

          I agree. It does feel like a big blow. These phones are going to be sold over the next FEW years and those customers sadly will have issues with indoor signal penetration

        • Casey

          I absolutely agree. Even if they add it in the iPhone 6S or whatever next year’s model is called, nobody should have to pony up more money for a new phone just to get the network reliability that should have been there from the get go. Not sure if the blame lies more with Apple or T-Mobile, but ultimately I have to point my finger at T-Mo. It’s their network, their reputation for improving the network, that’s on the line; they should have done whatever it took to get Apple on board.

        • Well in reality one should blame AT&T. Band 12 is the 700 Mhz lower blocks A, B and C.
          Band 17 was created later, at the request of AT&T, and is the 700
          MHz lower blocks B and C only.

          They did so out of fear of interference from block A but in reality it was most likely to make devices more exclusive to them.

          AT&T has committed to implementing a way to advertise their network as Band 12 as well, and for their future handsets to support only band 12 to make it easier for manufactures to support multiple networks but I guess that’s not happening yet.

        • Casey

          AT&T and Verizon both play dirty and have tons of money to throw around; that doesn’t surprise anyone. The two big boys in the business like to make sure they stay big. I still say T-Mo (especially with a bold, brash leader like JL) should have fought back loud and hard to ensure band 12 was on board the iPhone 6 from day one.

        • Completely agree. LTE bands in the US were designed from the get-go to make it harder for the smaller guys to compete.

          I’m both surprised and not surprised the FCC let it happen the way it did.

        • UMA_Fan

          Actions like this are one of the biggest arguments for the Tmo/Sprint merger. With that size of a customer base they could get manufacturers to support whatever bands they want.

        • UMA_Fan

          Completely true. This was a critical issue for them.

  • Cam Fas

    They are right the apple site doesnt list band 12 but then again when it posts on tmobiles website it possibly could but regardless I am getting the 5.5 64gig space grey 6 who knows maybe 128 but its unlikely. I will still get this years and next years because next years will include the 700mhz in the event that this years doesnt. But we dont care that much why? Because it has wifi calling and if you notice the larger iphones have a bigger antenna band then the 5 or 5s so I am sure they will catch a signal better regardless. I know this because most of the time I have full bars but when I have 3 bars on my iphone my ipad has 4 or 5 so im sure the larger antenna inside has something too do with that. I had a note3 and it kept resetting itself and the keybord was stuck on the screen so I went to a 5s I have too admit while no product is 100% perfect the iphone is optimized better then android regardless of the features. So now that they have the large screen It would appear that Im with apple from here on out

    • Casey

      Your point is valid for voice calls but not for data. Offering wifi calling will negate a lack of indoor signal for that purpose. But currently on T-Mo, as soon as I go into my office or apartment, my data drops to 4G, 3G, or sometimes even Edge. That’s just not okay in my opinion. The only way to solve for that is band 12, 700Mhz support.

      • If you are on WiFi then data doesn’t matter ;)

        • Casey

          Agreed … when there’s wifi. But, what I was really driving at was, wifi isn’t always available. When it’s not you need a good, solid 700Mhz signal for voice or data.

        • M

          What if the wifi is slow?

  • UMA_Fan

    So the 4.7 inch iPhone has a resolution greater than 720p but less than 1080p? Am I reading that right?

    • J Cav the Great

      Yes.

  • Paul Ivanauskas

    After being an iphone ignorant sheep for so long..switching to the Oneplus which has far greater specs for only $350!

  • jamesfar

    NO BAND 12! NO NEW IPHONE. SIMPLY NOT WORTH IT!

    • HeatFan786

      That’s the spirit. Get a Note 4 and call it a day.

  • James

    Sadly, there is no band 12 support, just checked apple . Com/iPhone/LTE and it’s not listed as one of the 20 LTE bands

  • James

    Sadly, there is no band 12 support, just checked the site and it’s not listed with the other 20 LTE bands

  • honestabe

    I hope that the Apple Watch will be part of T-Mobile’s EIP plan for accessories!

    • Peter Parker

      It will be available on EIP but max available on anybodies account is $250. So you would have to still come out of pocket $100 which is still better than $350. Oh and thats just if you qualify for “$0” down on devices.

      • mike01001

        its 250 eip per line so if you have more than 1 line you could put the iphone watch on eip and just pay taxes! ;)

  • Baxter DeBerry

    horrible, band 12 is gonna be more important as tmobile rolls this out.. since the new phone doesnt have it and if your a tmo sub its not worth getting the iphone unless you must absolutely have to have it

    • TBN27

      No band 12 then I will not buy it until it has it. Unless my iPhone 5 craps out or I run out of space.

  • Derrick Ford

    Thank You Apple!!! You Just Increased The Value Of My Year Old Samsung Galaxy Note 3!!!

  • Alex Zapata

    A part of me is hoping that the lack of band 12 is simply a typo. Not for me, but for all the potential TMO customers.

    • Mike

      Before T-Mobile gets the 700MHz band up and running in any large scale, the iPhone 6s will be out.

      • VicRooLoo

        Whoa dude calm down there. I live in Dallas and we, along with a slough of other large cities, get the new roll outs very early in the process so I’m one to hope it was a typo

        • Mike

          Vic, I hate to let you down, but it wont have band 12. Im sure the next device will have band 12 and 600MHz as well since that auction happens soon.

        • VicRooLoo

          :'(

      • Alex Zapata

        Ah yes, uphold the tradition!

  • honestabe

    I wonder if the next iPad in a few months will have band 12…

  • larrrs

    $649 for an iphone 6, and $749 to start for the iphone 6 plus, thought it would be more for tmobile (both on 16 gig versions)… This was posted on Apple website

  • Jose

    PRICES

    IPHONE 6 : 16GB — $649
    64 GB — $749
    128 GB — $849.00

    TMOBILE

    • enoch861

      The 6 Plus is $100 more.
      I can’t imagine spending 1k on a phone even though it has 128gb of storage.

  • Dark enV

    What happened to T-Mobile and Apple working together closely? I mean they added a great feature with the wifi calling but where is the band 12 support? Very very upsetting

    • Mike

      By time there is any large footprint on band 12, the iPhone 6s will be out. Soon the bands on the device will matter less and less as VoLTE becomes more common and all bands eventually moved to it.

      • Dark enV

        Good thing I upgrade every year then

      • archerian

        Volte still needs radio spectrum for the data to be transferred. Bands will matter forever, how the device handles them will get better.

    • Mike

      It is very upsetting that apple is not making much of an effort to work with TMO is get the hardware comparable for TMO network as it exists today. Paid lots of money for a Iphone that really does not work all that well with TMO network.

  • Aurizen

    Does this mean us with iphone 5 will get VOLTE and wifi calling?

  • trife

    Someone aware me on why the missing Band 12 is something I should be concerned about. I literally have no clue. Thanks in advance.

    • bob90210

      Band 12 has been missing for a few years now. They were sent out in search of Band 11 which sank off the coast of Sumatra on a whaling expedition. Neither band has been heard from since then.

      • trife

        Ahhhh, makes sense now. Appreciate the info, brah.

        • Abe_The_Babe

          T-Mobile bought a boat load of spectrum from Verizon, but most phones are not compatible with it. It’s low frequency spectrum, so it works better in buildings and over long distances.

  • Cam Fas

    The tmobile event is tomorrow they could always surprise us with 700mhz iphone support even tho it’s not available in Vegas regardless of is the iphone could use it or not

  • alan

    I wonder if the T-mobile version that is brought on Apple.com will come unlock. I don’t see an option for an unlock iPhone 6 on the Apple website. For the iPhone 5s that was brought from Apple last year was factory unlock, while the same one that was purchased at T-mobile retail did not come unlock.

  • Mike

    Don’t mean to ask a stupid question but what does that essentially mean when Apple is not supporting the band 12 of Tmobile? What will the phone not be able to do now.

    • Red

      Use LTE on band 12.

      • Mike

        Tmobile already has LTE though. I did the 7 day trial with the 5S and it has LTE

        • enoch861

          They have LTE and will be soon launching LTE on the 700Mhz A block. This block has better penetration and goes over longer distances. This just means that the iPhone 6’s won’t support that specific band although they do support the regular T-Mobile LTE on 1700/2100 Mhz bands.

        • Hiro

          Yeah, T-Mobile does have LTE, and if you were pleased with the service during the trial period, you’ll be pleased with the iPhone 6 on T-Mobile – possibly even more so. The Band 12 just is a different type of LTE that allows it to go into buildings easier, and travels further distances.

        • Mike

          How do I find out where the 700MHz band 12 has been deployed?

        • DirkDigg1er

          specmap.sequence-omega.net/

  • Michael

    “It’s 64-but like the A7…..”
    64-bit*

  • TMO employee lolol

    wait so does this have any of the A block spectrum? or just no LTE

    • Duh

      Spoken like a real employee. Clueless to the last drop.

      • TMO employee lolol

        mmmm enjoy that full priced tmo bill while I bask in my 75% discount.

        • Guest

          Really? Please understand that those people who pay for a service and give you job security are the people you TRULY work for. I am a RAM at a retail store, and truly dispise what you just said to this customer. You should be ashamed of yourself, throwing your dscount in someones face is not a reflection of what the UnCarrier stands for.

      • Guest

        Please dont throw all employees under the bus, we all have things that we may not understand about the business. Some of my best sales people have no clue about spectrum or how the technology works, and some of my reps who have the biggest opportunities know all about it. Thanks for being understanding, and I genuinely hope to see you in a retail store getting a 6+ …

  • Though it lacks support for band 12, it’s the first truly world FDD LTE phone. Coupled with T-mobile international roaming, it can be connect to LTE networks virtually anywhere in the world. Given that it uses a Qualcomm chip in the radio front-end, it’s probable that other phones support as many LTE bands, perhaps even the successor of the Nexus 5.

  • VG

    It still kills me how iPhone pricing is displayed on the Apple web site. The iPhone 6+ starts at $299 for Verizon, AT&T and Sprint (with 2-year contract), while the T-Mobile version starts at $749. Unless a person shopping on the Apple web site truly understands the subsidy model, why would they ever select T-Mobile?

    I guess this will never change! This definitely hurts Magenta in terms of luring new customers through Apple.

    • bob90210

      T-Mobile’s financing model gives them more flexibility to hide the total cost since they can (and probably will) sell the phone for $0 down and $31 a month. If $299 is better than $749, then $0 is even better.

      • Jason Crumbley

        But his point is that what you said is not conveyed on the Apple website. Most people shopping on the Apple website would not know that unless they did research.

        • bob90210

          AT&T has a blurb about financing on Apple’s site so John should give Tim a call to have the same for T-Mobile.

        • archerian

          Tim has Randall on speedial but not John

      • Jay Holm

        I would rather put more down, and have my monthly payments be the same that I’m currently paying for my S4, which is $20/mo, so whatever I upgrade to next year, I will want my EIP to be the same as it currently is.

    • Yes, it’s difficult to convince math-challenged customers used to being conned into paying much more for phones by the other carriers.

    • iOSX

      I totally agree. I remember hearing rumors in August about how Apple would support carrier financing with the iPhone 6 but I guess that was false.

    • Joseph Torres

      Well really I don’t think it will hurt much being that at this point people just got to the store anyway to get their device. Most that order online would have had done some research and would better understand why it appears more then others. Though they really should put $0 down for well qualifying customers then redirect them to T-Mobile store page or something.

      • VG

        I don’t know about that. I see a lot of tourists going into the Apple stores in NYC buying iPhones, and my sense is that Apple retail employees don’t even bother with explaining the T-Mobile option; they seem to rely on the subsidy options available with AT&T, Verizon and Sprint.

        Any Apple store employees on this blog care to comment?

        • Joseph Torres

          Well I was talking about the website not the store. But as far as the store, I believe Apple retail stores are aware of the T-Mobile EIP and actually could set you up at their end. I think I read that somewhere on this site.

        • UMA_Fan

          It could also mean those apple store employees don’t understand the subsidy model thenselves.

        • DirkDigg1er

          Could you blame them for trying to make an easier sale?

    • DirkDigg1er

      Bingo! EIP is a double edged sword. Majority of people don’t know the MSRP of a iPhone.

  • quist

    I’ll be deciding between the Note 4 and 6+. I currently have the Note 3

    I’ve never owned an iProduct before and am a little intrigued. Also, the Note 4 doesn’t seem like toooo much of an upgrade.

    The problem I have is that I’m just not very familiar with Apple products, so I don’t know what a lot of these stats mean. This mobile payment system doesn’t seem any different than NFC with Google Wallet. I don’t get the hype with it

    • John

      If you look at the 3rd screenshot on this page you will see the new iphone with the word NFC. The mobile payment system apple is implementing into the Iphone 6 and 6 plus is a form of NFC and will work with 220+ retailers that Apple has partnered with.

      • quist

        I’m not trying to knock it

        • John

          I am not saying that you are trying to knock it. I am just trying to clarify that after years of rumors saying that the iphone would get nfc, it finally has come to fruition. However, nfc will only be in the iphone 6 and iphone 6 plus, not the previous models.

        • Evan Lam

          Yea. While there are several features that software based only, NFC does require certain hardware to work that Apple didn’t put into older phones.

        • John

          YUP, NFC and VOLTE require certain hardware that were left out of older of iPhone models, but were put into the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 plus. I have T-Mobile which has already launched VOLTE nationwide so I will be glad to have that feature and of course NFC.

    • 21stNow

      The hype is that NFC is on an Apple product now, not because it is new technology.

    • Joseph Torres

      The hype is that now apple is on board, and they will try to make it a standard. Since companies know iPhone is basically top dog on the smartphone market, they will feel a bit better and actually try to make it work. It’s really a win win for all now that both top companies are in it and not just one. I don’t think they would only support iPhone, they will try to get both Android and iOS to work on their systems.

      • quist

        OK that makes more sense now

    • Derrick Ford

      The 6+ will be a downgrade from the Note 3

      • Matt

        Both my wife and I own the Note 3. Well owned for me, I currently have the LG G3. Samsung warranty support is terrible (10 day turnaround), we have had hardware problems with 3 out of 3, and the software is bloated and a lot of it you might as well disable because the only place it works is hypothetically on feature lists. I have owned and used at a minimum for 3 months HTC One, Moto X, Note 3, and soon to be LG G3. Anything that is a downgrade from Note 3 is about as bad as it gets in my book.

        • quist

          Sorry to hear that. For me, the Note 3 has been the best phone I’ve ever owned, although the android update hurt my battery life. I just ignore the Samsung bloat and have been using the Google launcher.

        • Matt

          Fair enough, but this is the one thing that drives me a bit crazy. The answer is all too often “disable this disable that” as the first thing you have to do when buying an Android phone. I’m a bit of a stickler for companies honoring their commitments, though, so we’ll most likely never see eye to eye on the matter.

          Also, fair to mention some things aren’t always possible to properly disable or clean up without rooting. Rooting isn’t possible for those of us that use our devices professionally and have to route through endpoint analysis (Big IPs, Netscalers, etc).

        • skywalkr2

          I have zero issues on stock note 3… and you can easily turn off unwanted features in seconds in the settings.

        • Matt

          Of course. Samsung could also just as easily wait to get features actually working consistently before including them. There are endless complaints on the net and reviews about how poorly many features on the Note 3 work. Removing some apps entirely also requires root access, which is a longer process than seconds.

        • Derrick Ford

          Sounds like an isolated issue. Doesn’t reflect the majority of Note 3. I am sorry you didn’t have a good experience, however.

          As for me… It has been nothing but awesome!

      • quist

        Dear lord, really? Why do you say that?

  • keasycase

    Probably just going to be an update for it… There is no way that is does not have 700mhz spectrum

  • Mike Palomba

    I was looking forward to getting the 6 and was getting ready to sell my 5s but no 700mhz is a total deal breaker for me. Ill be waiting until the 6s comes out or when an iPhone supports 700mhz. Im in very deep building all day long and no signal gets through it. T-Mobile has a 700mhz tower in my area and it would have done the job. Really mad about this and I hope they can send out a software patch to enable bad 12 LTE

    • skittle

      Who in your building has a 700mhz phone on Tmobile? I am just curious to know how others on Tmobile are dealing with not having signal. My previous employment had some data dead spots but we had great WIFI installed everywhere.

      • Mike Palomba

        The 700mhz isn’t active yet and I don’t think a single person has a tmobile 700mhz phone but according to the maps it should cover the building without a problem, but I can’t confirm it and yes we have wifi but as of right now iPhones can’t text and call over wifi. And I don’t plan on updating to ios 8 anytime soon, I love my jailbreak

        • Get_at_Me

          The galaxy avant supports 700mhz

        • Mike Palomba

          I don’t want the galaxy avant lol

        • Austin

          iPhone 6 has wifi calling. So then not having 700 MHz isn’t really a problem for you? I’m missing something, I think.

        • Mike Palomba

          I’m not updating to ios 8 because I want to keep my jailbreak and ios 7 doesn’t have wifi calling And even if I did update the wifi in the building has some blocks on it so I’m not sure if the T-Mobile wifi calling severs are blocked or not

        • John

          THE iPhone 4s, 5c and 5s will have WiFi calling as well; since WiFi calling is software and not hardware based built into ios 8.

        • RedGeminiPA

          According to the T-Mobile map, my area has great EDGE coverage, but everyone I know on T-Mobile who comes to my area says their phone isn’t worth crap… barely a signal at all, let alone anything you can use.
          T-Mobile’s coverage map is probably the worst I’ve seen where accuracy is concerned.

    • user311

      Yeah, software can definitely solve a hardware limitation! True iFan with blinders on and in full effect!

      • Mike Palomba

        I really hope so because that would make me get the 6. If not then I don’t want it, the next iPhone will probably have it

        • archerian

          Qualcomm most probably makes the radio chip set in the iPhone 6, and to save space the current iPhone might not have the 700 MHz antenna. Software won’t be able to enable it unless the hardware supports it.

        • DirkDigg1er

          It’s all about the lack of scale. There is simply not enough potential customers to include support.

        • John

          T-mobile has 50.5 million customers as of q2 2014 and have been adding 1-2 million new customers each quarter over the past 4 quarters. Lack of scale?

        • DirkDigg1er

          Yes. Sprint has 55m customers and also lacked scale to get LTE Band 41 support UNTIL China Mobile (791m customers) launched TDD LTE. This is one of the reasons Sprint and Tmobile wanted to merge.

        • John

          Well it does include NFC,VOLTE which are on the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 plus. Prior iPhone models has no support for VOLTE or NFC. I know you are looking for band 12, but maybe the other 2 things will cheer you up a little?

      • Joseph Torres

        calm down user311, besides t mobile hasn’t had their event yet. maybe apple let them do the honors. When the phone comes out that’s when it is a sealed deal.

    • DirkDigg1er

      You might as well sell it while you can get top $$.

    • maximus1901

      Nope software patch impossible. B12 includes 5more MHz than b17 and this is a hardware filter that does this.
      Software patch is impossible.

    • Soko

      Are you dumb? Neither is your 5S. 6 is still a largeg improvement

  • AJ

    Does anyone know if you can use JUMP to preorder the iphone 6 online?

    • Ray

      I’m also wondering this too. I hope so because I saved my Jump! for this..

      • Benjamin Santos

        I did too: (

    • AJ2

      Call Tmobile or use live chat on their website. I’m sure they’ll have an answer for you

  • Fabin

    Samsung makes Apple’s iPhones. Samsung makes their screens, RAM, and processor. I just love how Apple is taking all the credit for it.

    • iOSX

      Inventing and manufacturing aren’t the same thing. No company ‘makes’ anything, it’s the Chinese factory workers that ‘make’ everything.

      • archerian

        Inventing isn’t something Apple has done much. Improving upon of course but invention isn’t really associated with Apple.

    • Mike Palomba

      Yes, apple does all the designing and hard work. Samsung just does what they say. Every wonder why an iPhone works better then an android? Because apple designs the hardware and then designs the software to work flawlessly since they designed everything, meanwhile samsung just uses parts from several manufactures and has to make their os work well with the mismatched hardware that they use

      • archerian

        Designing? Almost all of apples technology is via acquisitions and licensing. The inside of an iPhone isn’t much different from any other high end android, designed and made by other manufacturers.

        • Matt

          The A series SOC has been designed by both pre and post PA Semi employee base. That acquisition was completed back in 2008. Hard to correlate the A8 as an “acquired” technology here in 2014.

        • archerian

          It’s still technology licensed from ARM, implemented by an acquisition, manufactured by Samsung. If we were to count years, fingerprint readers will soon be an Apple innovation since they bought Authentec a few years ago.

        • Matt

          You questioned designing but have changed the argument to innovation. Apple has PA and Non-PA members that design the A8 SoC. I didn’t say that ARM Cores are an Apple “innovation”

        • Matt

          Also I’d just add is if your point is that tech in general is no longer pure organic growth and largely all innovation is seeded via M&A space we largely agree. This isn’t an Apple thing, it’s a tech thing. I could care less to debate this point any further because it’s obvious with any Enterprise tech company.

          The point I think is silly are all the people that think Samsung is special because of the fab relationship in all of this. They simply can fabricate at scale with quality. Everything important to do with A8 is Apple (via PA Semi M&A to keep you happy!) and ARM.

        • archerian

          I agree with the Samsung not being special logic. An iPhone is a well laid out system integration – Qualcomm radio, samsung screen and fan, Apple processor, RAM and Flash from LG or some other company, optics from Sony etc. etc. The product is always worth more than the sum of uta parts in utility.

        • archerian

          You can substitute design for innovation in my earlier statement :) in this context its the same.

    • Matt

      There is a huge difference between fabricating and designing. You’ll do your image favors to learn the difference yourself. What you are saying here is like placing the construction company above the architect.

    • AJ2

      If you put your iPhone on an ugly Otter box, I dont see the big deal that’s made about the outside design

  • JMF_mobile

    I’m sure they’ll be nice but not spending $800 for a phone when I can get very nice midrange phones for $400 that can do everything just as well, or certainly close enough. Same reason I didn’t consider the 5S last time. Well that and a 4″ screen was out of the question. Glad they finally listened to reason and changed that.

    • Jay Holm

      At least their offering choice with 2 different models this time. Apple has always been horrible about offering choice.

      • AJ2

        They really went overboard with watch choices. More Sku than ever at the Apple store. Maybe Apple is starting to slowly admit they don’t always know whats best for users and choice is a good thing. Screen sizes, keyboard choices, watch bands … They’re slowly coming around. I just find the irony of Apple execs and users always mocking Android screen sizes and now their re new models have abandoned the smaller screens altogether. Actually I have a 5 inch screen & don’t want any bigger but all my iPhone friends hate the screen size & vowed they’d never get such a monstrosity…now they won’t have a choice as they’re likely mo going back
        . But because its Apple, suddenly its a great idea

  • Mike

    Iphone does not work well on the TMO network dispute it’s “flawless” design. Apple screwed TMO users by not making the phone fully functional on the TMO network and TMO continues to do a disservice by promoting a phone that it knows does not work well on its network. I have had more problems with the iPhone 5s with crappy call quality, dropped calls, slow data service and frequent events of no service. Never had any of this with the Samsung G4S. Only hope for better call quality and call reception is wifi calling…but then again I shouldn’t have to rely on wifi to get my call through…not getting what I am paying…

    • besweeet

      I imagine they’ve been working close with T-Mobile to work on VoLTE and Wi-Fi calling, which then leads me to think that they’ve worked on general optimizations. My main issue is with tower switching. It seems to either be fast or slow, with the latter usually temporarily hitting no service or EDGE.

      • maximus1901

        I’ve experienced that too on my iPhone 4S! My bars will all go to zero and then back up to whatever.
        I thought it was only because I was using a phone that only has 3G on pcs and not TMO’s usual AWS.
        Anyone experience this disappearing reappearing of bars?

        • besweeet

          I’ve noticed *exactly* the same things on my unlocked iPhone 4 (I sold my iPhone 5s 3 weeks ago and picked up a cheap 4 on Craigslist while I wait for the 6+), even though PCS 3G seems to be a tad bit stronger than AWS 3G.

          It seems to happen in areas that are generally a tad weaker than others, but things were never that bad on my 5s and things I never experienced on Android and even Windows Phone devices for T-Mobile.

        • Never Say Never

          Yes, on my Nexus 4.

        • chripuck

          Ehhh, it happens on my 5S on AT&T too. Nature of the beast I think.

    • DirkDigg1er

      It’s all about scale my friend. Sprint wouldn’t have had Band 41 support if China Mobile and Co. didn’t put that order in. How can you blame Apple for cherry picking market saturation & max profit over tech edge?

  • dontsh00tmesanta

    No band 12 just killed it

  • maximus1901

    This is exactly what sprint users experienced with the 5s and no B41.
    Can’t say apple plays favorites when it comes to including support for a band that’s not even deployed but still in testing

    • maximus1901

      I mean look: TMO doesn’t even have nationwide licenses for 700a!
      Why not?

    • DirkDigg1er

      That’s the problem with both Sprint and T-mobile; not enough scale to get proper support.

    • UMA_Fan

      Let’s all mass email Apple and complain about band 12

      • UMA_Fan

        Or Tim Cook at the very least lol

      • maximus1901

        I hope you’re joking cause nothing will happen this year. B12 next year.

    • DirkDigg1er

      Also, the iPhone 5 lacked LTE Band 26 support for the same reason.

    • RedGeminiPA

      The iPhone 6 and 6 plus DO support Sprint Spark. I’m glad I’m with Sprint when it comes to many things, including actual usable coverage in my area, AND LTE. Meanwhile, T-Mobile is still barely hanging on in my area with EDGE… the largest city between Pittsburgh and Harrisburg… EDGE or nothing, baby!

      • maximus1901

        Sprint started with usable rural and unusable city lte. I’ll take TMO’s opposite approach. Furthermore, TMO had 235mil as of aug 14 lte and will have more than 250mil lte end of 2014 and at least 280mil mid 2015.

  • mickey

    Does anyone know if preorders work with tmobile financing? Have been planning to switch to tmobile around the time the 6 dropped. Looks like I can preorder for full price, although that will leave a dent at 4 lines all looking for a new iPhone.

    • John

      Not sure, but T-mobile will launch Pre-Orders for the new iPhone models on Sept 12th. I am currently with T-mobile. Email me here trees2315@gmail.com Why? So I can give you my phone number so you can let t-mobile know that I refered you. Current T-mobile customers who refer new customers to T-mobile both get free unlimited high speed data for 12 months. Limit one per each account. So I would get 12 months of free unlimited high speed data free for 1 of my lines and you would as well. Here’s my email trees2315@gmail.com I look forward to hearing from you Mickey so lets save together and get free unlimited high speed data for 12 months. :)

      • mickey

        I’ve been looking for someone on an eligible plan to take advantage of this but everyone I know is on a legacy plan. You got mail.

        • John

          you got mail.

      • Nearmsp

        Scam alert!

        • John

          It’s no scam call your local t-mobile store and ask them about it before you going making false accusations.

    • AJ2

      Honestly why not call Tmobile vs posting on a blog if you want the answer

      • mickey

        I was already reading the article and thought I’d get a quick reply from someone with past experience. It was also too late to call CS. I’m stopping by the store today. I’ll post back. Thank you for the useful reply.

  • Moore Teacher

    Refer your friends to T-Mobile
    RESCUE A FRIEND FROM SPRINT AT&T, OR VERIZON. AND YOU BOTH GET REWARDED BIG TIME WITH AN UPGRADE TO UNLIMITED LTE DATA FOR ONE YEAR.
    Email me at mooreokteacher@gmail.com and I’ll give you my number. Pretty sweet deal.

  • taron19119

    No band 12 im not surprised because t-mobile said phones with band 12 is not comeing out until q4 2014 and q4 starts in October

    • DirkDigg1er

      The problem is that VZW/ATT has not pushed for LTE Band 12 support.

    • Frederick

      Moto X (the new one 2014) has band 12.

      • taron19119

        The moto x 2014 is not a t-mobile phone

        • randian

          You can still BYOD one though.

  • Charles Ray

    I’ll stick with my Galaxy S5, never had any desire for an iPhone.

  • Josh Robert Nay

    I’ll stick to my Lumia. No band 12 either right now, but at least I don’t have to wait a year for that problem to be rectified.

    • RedGeminiPA

      You’ll probably be waiting for more than a year for T-Mobile to get off their asses and support it in your area anyway.

      • Josh Robert Nay

        Eh, I’m a Windows developer. I get free OS updates and don’t need to worry about the carriers ;)

        • Amesh Kahn

          Have you ever thought about getting a real job?

        • I do have a “real job”. I’m also the Editor-in-Chief of TruTower and 1800Pocket/PC. That being said, app development is a “real job” to a lot of hard working people.

  • Nickdigreat

    its funny how apple didnt give the ram zize and no one talks about the protruding camera

  • Nearmsp

    I was thinking of 6+. But not willing to move out from S5 and give up water proof and full compatibility with Tmobile network, will wait to hear uncarrier event today for direction regarding band 12. Legere is pretty switched on on reading the tea leaves and I am sure he must have sensed some concern about band 12 LTE. This issue might also affect move from big two to Tmobile if this lack of information persists any longer. Legere should cover this by tweet if not at the event today.

    • maximus1901

      S5 has band 12?

      • Paul Garrison

        I know the Galaxy Avant and the Z3 will.

    • AJ2

      Apple will announce the 6S as waterproof in Fall 2015 and the media will be stunned that Apple was able to do it. It would have been a huge feature this time… Same as all those Sapphire glass screen rumors

    • conservative_motorcyclist

      Band 17 is a narrower version of Band 12, so you should be ok.

      Band 12 Uplink Frequency: 698 – 716 MHz Downlink Frequency: 728 – 746 MHz Bandwidth 18 MHz

      Band 17 Uplink Frequency: 704 – 716 MHz Downlink Frequency: 734 – 746 MHz Bandwidth 12 MHz

  • Mike Palomba

    Anyone switching to T-Mobile and wants to take advantage of the refer a friend unlimited data for a year deal, email me I’ll refer you and we both get unlimited data for a year

    • AJ2

      How much does that cost for an individual plan

      • Mike Palomba

        I think $60

    • Jay1169

      Hi there I’m interested in switching. My email is: jaystew111@aol.com

      • Mike Palomba

        I emailed you and I didn’t get a response. My email is mpalomba3@msn.com. If anyone is switching just email me, I’ll refer you and we’ll both get unlimited data free for a year. Also if you switched within the last 30 days then you can still get the unlimited data free

  • Paul Garrison

    Some of the design elements are straight from the Experia Z line.

    • Soap Rope

      I bet you are a big Michael Sam fan.

      • Paul Garrison

        If I was what is wrong with that, he seems like a good person. I bet you secretly dream about and desire Michael Sam. He is defiantly on your mind.

  • ducksauce001

    iPhone 6 = Nexus 4 (spec-wise)

    • AJ2

      But the

      • tomnewtn

        So true

    • mike

      Nexus 4 had an ARMv8 SoC?

    • RedGeminiPA

      Another spec whore. How surprising.

  • AJ2

    Wonder if the Tmobile week trial would include an iPhone 6. The media still doesnt get that Tmobile and other carriers are starting to move away from contracts. All you hear is 199/299 etc… The full price is a lot more jarring, but might be a holiday sale. Apple stuck with its profits, eliminating the 32gb instead of thev16…They should have had the basic unit be 32gb like some Android manufacturers have. I’m wondering how many Android users will make the switch. I have a Mac & a Nexus 5 (which saves me a lot in many ways) and soon will be in too deep to make a switch. But my Nexus is only 9 months old & likely will feel refreshed with L. A better camera would be nice… And I bet Apple Pay will take off like Google Wallet never has. I know I’ve never considered using the latter or know retailers that use it. I’m very frustrated though by the fawning media coverage by consumer and even tech press like Bloomsburg West. David Muir on ABC so excited to see a watch monitor heartbeat or pressure or be able to tweet or text showed his ignorance that other devices already are doing that… Same with other features. Apple has the media in a trance because those elites all use (and admit on air) the iPhone. Google and its partners need to do a better PR job

    • VG

      It’s my understanding that Google Wallet is blocked on T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T branded phones so they could push their own Isis mobile payment system. Probably a big reason why Google Wallet has never taken off in retail. Apple, however, would never allow carriers to block iOS features.

      • Dylan Romero

        I pay with Google Wallet on my Samsung Galaxy S5 SM-G900T

        • VG

          Yeah, I just saw that. This must be something new with the S5. I’m pretty certain that the branded S3s and S4s can’s use Google Wallet. Perhaps Google was able to exercise their muscle on the carriers.

        • Soggy B

          Google Wallet has been a disaster. It is more difficult to use that pulling out a credit card.

  • David van den Berg

    Can someone in lay terms explain the band 12 thing, and how it impacts the phone’s function indoors? Does not having it make buying the iPhone 6 (both versions) a mistake for T-Mobile customers? Are there Android phones that do and will have band 12, making them better able to fully utilize T-Mobile’s network? I have an iphone 5c and live in the Virginia suburbs of Washington, DC – I have no problems at home, can use data at work because of an employer-provided wifi network, and have no issues when traveling around much of the Washington area. It’s indoors, especially in high-rise buildings, where the phone’s reception almost vanishes. This doesn’t happen nearly enough for it to be a big problem, but I don’t know how representative my experiences are. I’d be curious to know what others have to say.

    • VG

      Band 12 (700Mhz A Block) travels farther and deeper into buildings than any of T-Mobile’s existing frequencies. T-Mobile owns chunks of LTE Band 12 throughout the US, and is in the process of deploying it. Currently, the Galaxy Avant sold by T-Mo supports Band 12.

      Once Band 12 is fully deployed, many T-Mobile customers will have better reception (especially indoors) if they have phones that support this frequency. However, T-Mobile’s Band 12 is not nationwide; you can google “T-Mobile LTE Band 12 map” to find a map of the US areas in which T-Mo owns Band 12 bandwidth.

      I, for one, do get a little annoyed whenever I walk into a bar/restaurant on a ground floor and completely lose all T-Mobile signal (both voice & data), while my friends on AT&T and Verizon have full signal. Hoping Band 12 and new phones will eventually take care of this.

      • conservative_motorcyclist

        Band 17 is a narrower version of Band 12, so it should work no problem on their new network.

        Band 12 Uplink Frequency: 698 – 716 MHz Downlink Frequency: 728 – 746 MHz Bandwidth 18 MHz

        Band 17 Uplink Frequency: 704 – 716 MHz Downlink Frequency: 734 – 746 MHz Bandwidth 12 MHz

        • VG

          I believe T-Mobile only has the license for the A Block in the 700Mhz spectrum (698-704 Uplink, 728-734 Downlink). Hence, a phone needs to be certified for LTE Band 12 in order to use T-Mobile’s A Block spectrum. Band 17 does not cover the A Block, but Band 12 does. So, I dont think a Band 17 phone will work on T-Mobile’s new frequencies.

        • Alex Zapata

          Band 17 is indeed a “narrower” subset of band 12. However, there are actual hardware differences at the baseband level. Duplexers, filters, etc will NOT allow devices with band 17 to access/see the lower A block. Devices with band 12, in theory, should have no problem on networks utilizing band 17. I say theoretically because carriers don’t always play nice…..

      • Tumor Jones

        Do the waves penetrate further into a human skull as well?

    • Band 12 is T-Mobile’s low frequency LTE that will allow for better signals in buildings, elevators etc. Few phones support it now (I think or 1 or 2) so if you have good coverage now you’ll notice no difference with the iPhone 6.

      DC is the only market that has it live and more markets will be upcoming in the next year so it’s a real shame it wasn’t included on the phone.

  • Frederick

    No band 12 means no iPhone6 for me.

  • Trevnerdio

    That 128GB price doe…

  • Chad Dalton

    no band 12, thats silly…but doesn’t matter as i getting the note 4.

  • tomnewtn

    So, no voice and data simultaneously? Is that right? I assume there would be. Apple, MotoX or new Nexus lookin good.

    • Fabian Cortez

      All UMTS (3G/4G) phones do simultaneous voice and data.

    • RedGeminiPA

      All GSM-based HSPA(+) (AT&T – T-Mobile) phones can use voice and data simultaneously.

  • jasmin

    lol welcome to 2012, apple fans.

    • RedGeminiPA

      Have fun with the latest OS running on a large portion of Android phones being from 2012, Android troll.

    • itgoesdown

      welcome to a payment system that actually fucking works, idiot.

      • jasmin

        how’d you know it fucking works since the phone haven’t come out yet? did you just assume it works just because it’s Apple? wow. the stupidity is strong with this one.

        • iRich

          you mad, bro? don’t be a player hater.

    • Don Tardo

      You seriously believed you comment deserved an “lol”? Do your parents make you wear a football helmet during the day?

  • Justin Merithew

    No band 12= no deal. I hope T-Mobile gets a Motorola phablet or offers WiFi calling on the next Nexus. With today’s announcement they’re either no longer carrying Nexus devices or it should hhas it. If neither of these things happen I may be pidgeon holed into a Note 4 :-(.

  • Alex Zapata

    Cool phones, just finished watching the keynote. Apparently Apple invented WiFi calling, Cat 4 LTE, and 1080p. Don’t get me wrong, they’re gonna sell like hotcakes and rightfully so but I’ll stick with my Lumia for now.

    • Bill Dozer

      I always wondered who that one person was that bought the Lumia. Nice to meet you.

  • Laststop311

    no band 12 this makes my decision easy. Since the galaxy note 4 will have band 12 looks like i wont be trying apple for the first time.

    • Hoo Kares

      I’m sure they will be very disappointed. Are you willing to reconsider?

  • John Patterson

    Could the iPhone 6/6 plus not having band 12 support be possibly fixed with a software update???