Analyst Says “Next Year” For T-Mobile To Finally Offer The iPhone

As a lifelong Chicago Cubs fan, my immediate reaction to Morgan Stanley analyst Nick Delfas claiming that T-Mobile will “announce official iPhone distribution in early 2013″ is to remember how many times we’ve said “wait till next year.” Cub fans the world over will recognize that as the unofficial model of a team which hasn’t won a world series in over 100 years. It’s also the same thing we say in the T-Mobile world with each new iPhone model release.

Now, we do expect the iPhone to eventually release on T-Mobile, especially as they continue their network refarm on the PCS 1900MHz band eliminating Apple’s need to make a specialized piece of hardware for AWS. Delfas didn’t’ provide any more details but hypothesizes that such a deal would add another one to two million buyers of the iPhone 5 in the first quarter. Furthermore, Delfas sees a T-Mobile relationship “as another possible catalyst” that the iPhone 5 could eclipse expected sales of the iPhone 5 in the current quarter.

We’re hopeful that T-Mobile could offer the iPhone next year, rounding out the carriers selection of the top four smartphone operating systems, but we’re always careful of the “wait till next year” talk.

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  • youngt82

    Real talk David

  • qpinto

    they say this every year. is this really news?

  • eli

    we never heard this before

  • Tim Moore

    I said that a few months ago. I expect them to announce it early next year the way Verizon did with the iPhone 4. Once the refarm is done (which should be late this year) they will be ready. For once the wait till next year line might actually be right.

    • TMOLOYAL

      They will be a long ways from “done” with the refarm this year. It will be ongoing for at least the next two years.

      • philyew

        It may take that long to complete the exercise through the whole TM network, but the tipping point comes when the major markets are covered, since that is where the vast majority of the mobile consumer population is to be found.

        • Tim Moore

          Which they have started. Seattle, Portland, LA, San Fran, Chicago, Minny, NYC, DC, Boston have had lots of reports of iPhones on tmobile getting 3G. Heck even my area of near Detroit a few people have reported it. If we’re already seeing it here that’s a good sign cause we aren’t the market size we used to be.

        • philyew

          Add to that Cleveland, Philadelphia, Kansas City, Atlanta, Dallas/Arlington, Houston, Vegas, San Diego, which range from sporadic sightings to advanced coverage, as well as a bunch of other locations. The major markets will be covered in the next three months at this rate.

  • KOD

    WE NOT GETTING IT

  • trife

    When I see it, I’ll believe it. Until then, this analyst’s analysis is nonsense.

  • http://twitter.com/SParKlngCyaNide SparklingCyanide

    have we heard this before? Yes, of course. But things are much different by Spring 2013. T-Mobile USA will be FULLY compatible with iPhone’s HSPA and LTE bands and I absolutely think this time will be the time for it actually come into fruition in the Spring ala’ Verizon and its first iPhone.

  • matthew b.

    Really, I could care less if we get it or not. I would rather not we have the lowest monthly rates and all wed have to do is raise them so that apple can get their money from the data package. besides the new Windows phones that HTC have are wicked awesome

    • MagentaMadness

      Couldn’t. “Could care less” leaves room for less caring.

      • JD

        Maybe he cares, but just a little tiny bit

  • http://twitter.com/LLRj Ryanjon

    Cool story bro…so EXACTLY WHEN is the Galaxy Note 2 being sold?

    • thepanttherlady

      Sprint just announced their version is releasing on 10/25. Keeping my fingers crossed TMo’s is just around the corner too!!

      • mikkej2k

        Why would Apple or T-Mobile delay an announcement of a deal to carry iphone? In T-Mobiles case , wouldn’t items show up in there internal supply chain if they were preparing to officially carry iphones? And as far as marketing for the refarm :Would T-Mobile change the focus away from the iphone if they had a pending deal?

        I don’t want to be the bad news person here but it doesn’t seem as though the iphone is around the corner for T-Mobile.

        I do hope I am wrong since it would be good for T-Mobile and iphone users/fans.

        • http://profiles.google.com/mrice.hill Mr. Hill

          Around the corner would be meaning early 2013 at the soonest. No point in announcing anything if it’s still that far away plus most the network still has not yet been refarmed for the iPhone. If they get it, it won’t be announced until about a week before it goes on sale as that’s the way things go as far as Apple product releases.

        • thepanttherlady

          My response was regarding the OP’s comment about the Galaxy Note 2, not the iPhone. :)

        • mikkej2k

          My fault . I see now. I’m not worthy………:)

        • thepanttherlady

          LOL! I totally pictured Wayne’s World with that comment. Thanks for the laugh! :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/unfazedrebel Jé Be (Here but Gone)

        Damn shame. I’m considering Sprint just for the device…sike please release same time T-Mobile I’m in dire need

  • Whitney

    Things are different now however with T-mobile i’ll take with a grain of salt.

  • TMOTECH

    Ha!

  • SouthernBlackNerd

    I’ll believe it when Apple has the keynote. Also, do people still believe tmobile does not have the iPhone because it uses AWS?

    Apple supports sprint’s 800mhz, which no other country uses. The iPhone 5 supports kddi’s lte network, and they have only 34 million customer, plus Japanese market has a slow smartphone adoption.

    The ball has always been in tmobiles court. The AT&T iPhone 5 supports AWS on lte. It would not be hard to add AWS hspa+ support.

    • Jose Hernandez

      The ball has been in T-Mobiles court, but we are all glad they have not allowed Apple to rape them with the crazy amounts of money they demand for the phone. It is just not cost effective for T-Mobile to spend all the money Apple wants just to have the phone. Look at what is happening to Sprint.

    • Sean W

      It’s off…that means I turn it on…and just walk away!

    • philyew

      Of course it was always TM’s decision whether it paid Apple’s asking price. Thankfully they didn’t jump on board a contract like Sprint’s which they have freely admitted would take at least two years before it started to pay back on the commitment.

      You seem like a smart enough guy, so it should be fairly reasonable to you that the asking price from Apple for a device that requires NO unique customization is going to be less than one requiring the addition of UMTS/HSPA+ on the AWS band.

      TM has been planning first its acquisition by AT&T (or others) and then its re-farm for the better part of two years, so there was no point during the period that embraced the iPhones’ expansion into Verizon, Sprint and other carriers where it made any sense whatsoever to commission an iPhone with 3G/HSPA+ on the AWS band…and an iPhone with only 2G capability would have been a disaster for both TM and Apple.

      So yes, AWS is an important element in the situation, and the fact that it will no longer be a determining factor does increase the chances of a deal.

      • SouthernBlackNerd

        You seem like a smart guy as well, so explain why would a company give a discount to a company hemorrhaging customers? They are not China Mobile. If they give Tmobile a discount, then Sprint/ATT/Verizon/etc will want a discount, which takes the power right out of Apple’s hand. Maybe they let Tmobile having a smaller minimum sales requirement, since they are smaller; but no way they charge less to Tmobile than the other three.

        • philyew

          I’m not talking about a discount as such. I’m pretty sure that all of Apple’s pricing is based on their appreciation of sales potential, as well as their own development and production costs for the carrier variants.

          Sprint, AT&T and Verizon won’t be paying the same unit price for each iPhone they buy from Apple.

          Since TM’s sales potential is considerably less than Sprint and hugely less than either AT&T or Verizon, it follows that the recovery of the costs for creating a one-off UMTS/HSPA+ capable device on AWS, plus the cost of running a separate production line, will impact the unit cost quite heavily.

          However, if TM can buy the devices already rolling off the lines for AT&T then the unit costs immediately come down.

          This was how some of the regional carriers and MVNOs will have been able to jump on the iPhone bandwagon with even more modest sales potential.

        • SouthernBlackNerd

          I am going to have to disagree. It costs very little to support more bands. Chips these days support a multitude of bands. You just need the antennas,etc to broadcast that signal.

          Apple is all about profits. They may let the regionals and smaller guys buy iPhones with smaller minimum sale requirements, but they are not giving them a better price than Verizon or Sprint. Tmobile might not have to sell as many iPhones as Sprint, but the price per iPhone will be the same.

          Apple was the one that came up with the fix pricing model for ebooks, which forced companies like amazon to not be able to lower their book price compared to apple. That same company is going to give out discounts? I do not see it.

        • philyew

          You’re still talking about discounts. I’m talking about avoiding the cost of producing a different design, which would have to be passed on to the carrier. That’s not a discount: any manufacturer rolls that cost into the unit price of their product and the amount will vary according to the sales potential.

          You’re also ignoring context. By the time the Apple 4S was launched this time last year, TM effectively had no interest in an independent iPhone capability – they were either being bought by AT&T, or their undeclared Plan B involved moving their 3G/HSPA+ services to the PCS 1900 band. There is no way they thought up their current spectrum use strategy in the 8 weeks between the AT&T deal collapsing in December 2011 and the announcement of their reinvigorated Challenger Strategy in February 2012. For whichever reason, they knew they wouldn’t need a specialized iPhone model moving into 2013.

          That means the only device that TM may have given serious thought to acquiring after Apple opened up the market to all the carriers was the iPhone 4 – a device which had notorious and highly relevant design problems. Remember the antenna “death grip” controversy?

          So, please try to unhitch your thoughts from the idea of a discount. That’s not what I’m talking about. If Apple don’t have additional costs of production, they don’t have to recover them. While additional costs may seem marginal, they are absolutely critical in the context of TM’s low margin pricing strategy. They need to be working with a unit price that allows them to offer competitive subsidies, while eventually making money on the contract. It clearly wasn’t possible in the past, otherwise TM would have been insane not to have carried the iPhone when they might have done so.

          Being able now to use the A1428 model, currently sold to AT&T, MUST increase the possibilities of them coming up with a workable price.

      • bleeew

        Look at Sprint, they got 2G speeds, even Cricket has 2G speeds on 3G.

        • philyew

          Are you suggesting that TM could have successfully marketed a 2G-only iPhone when everyone else could at least claim they had 3G or better?

    • bleeew

      I though Verizon used the 800mhz also.

  • GwapoAko

    If we get it next year that’s good as long as Tmobile will not pay the ridiculous contract that Sprint paid to Apple.

    • Dakota

      and if they keep offering the real unlimited data with the iphone / LTE

      • GwapoAko

        Yup yup!!

    • t-mobile employee

      Wont happen, t-mobile is no longer going to stop offering discounts on phones thus eliminating ridiculous subsidies like the sprint iPhone fiasco . You will be given the choice of full cost phone and discount on data feature on any value plan or pay reg data feature price and get phone on E.I,P. with minimal discount until you opt for value plan.

  • Christopher_McG

    When T-Mobile has a LTE network up and running over the 200 million pops they will have enough bandwidth and a comparable network experience to officially sell the iPhone. That’s my prediction for the iPhone on T-Mobile.

  • umad

    That’s a good news for DT and us because Apple realizes that they are slowly losing market share in the smartphone business. Apple have to give lowest or no iPhone subsidy costs for T-mobile because it is just…. in exchange for losing million consumers and telecom market shares (in USA) due to no iPhone carry – T-mo refused to pay insane price to carry it, fair enough. Apple will get a bad karma for that, so they better give iPhone to all carriers (include T-mobile for less subsidy costs).

    There is a hope for T-mobile in the future.

    • guest911

      This is the dumbest post I have read in a long time.

      • Denisha

        Got a problem?

        • Guest911

          Not if you can read.

        • thepanttherlady

          Enough. Stay on topic, please.

        • HalfwayCrook

          haha, what? you must be new here. And by here, I mean the internet

    • MuthaFuckinStephen

      you are living in fantasy land.

  • Dakota

    and to think how many millions of customers theyve lost because of no iphone – and how many more theyre gonna lose just in the next six months…and a lot of those who left might not ever come back once theyre used to their new carriers

    • Whiskers

      And a lot of people left not just because of the iphone.
      T-Mobile not having full 3G/4G coverage outside the major cities is hurting them just as well.
      They can add all the HSPA+ and refarmed 1900 signal they want but once your 30 minutes outside the major cities it’s back to Edge.
      If they get the true LTE up and running next year they better increase the coverage as well or more people will still leave.

      • CalicoKJ

        Absolutely right about the coverage. My fiance has been with Verizon for 10 years and would jump to T-Mo when his contract is up in January because he’s tired of the BS, but we have poor signal at the house and the 3g in town is spotty. Verizon has full signal at the house and 4G in town. Makes switching just not seem that attractive.

    • bleeew

      My friends left tmobile because it had no iPhone.

      • JimInChicago

        I have three t-mobile phones, but recently switched my primary t-mo phone to Verizon after nine years, the past four with an iPhone 2 running on T-mobile edge. I had enough waiting.

  • JohnToe

    A Technical Support Specialist told me that T-Mobile is getting the phone in December once the refarming is complete. She stated T-Mobile are only telling current iPhone owners on the network so people can’t just call in and ask. T-Mobile will deny it.

    • http://tmonews.com David

      There is absolutely no chance this technical support specialist knows more than pretty much everyone else on earth regarding the availability of the iPhone on T-Mobile.

  • MagentaMadness

    OMG enough bout the iPhone. If ppl would stop a second and remove their lips from the pancreatic punch they would realize there is no need.

    • thepanttherlady

      In most cases, there is no “need” for a certain phone. It is usually desire. You, or I for that matter, may not care for or about the iPhone but there are many out there that do. These updates are for those that do. :)

      • MagentaMadness

        lol my comment wasn’t for you to take literally…it was a general statement…I know it is desire which is why i mention “ppl”…most the time the iphone isnt even about desire, its about being brainwashed into thinking they need it…they dont wanna be left out cause their houity toughty friends have em too lol. Case in point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMsLArefSOw&feature=related
        LMAO!

        • thepanttherlady

          I’ll have to watch that on my lunch. The man (IT), has streaming video blocked here at work. :/

        • MagentaMadness

          Use your phone!

        • thepanttherlady

          I plan to, on my lunch. If it doesn’t make me LOL though I’m coming back here to look for you. *mean face*

        • MagentaMadness

          Anyone ever tell you you’re cute with your “mean face”? ;)

        • thepanttherlady

          I’ll throw in a grrrr for good measure. ;)

        • MagentaMadness

          so not fair lol

        • thepanttherlady

          Thankfully you didn’t refrence Tony the Tiger! :) And it only made me snicker for the first 30 seconds. Everything after that was overkill in my opinion. So you get the grrrr, not the *mean face*. =P

        • MagentaMadness

          Yea…the vid is more of a palm to the face type vid

          I’m a sucker for a nice “grrrr”

        • David

          Enough. Stay on topic, please.

        • http://www.facebook.com/DSwagg09 Dion Mac

          But hopefully that internet wont scam you baaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

  • noelsito

    Music to my ears. I missed these posts. Keep ‘em comin’ :)

  • JBLmobileG1

    How many times are they going to say this? Next year, next year… It gets old. I say Tmobile will get the iphone when and if they feel like it. Personally I think they shouldn’t support such a greedy company but who am I to say.

    • Kevin0880

      Feel like it? Lmao. T-mobile have been begging for the iPhone for the past 3 years. Literally begging.

      • k-mack

        I really don’t think so. They do value and customer service. They probably aren’t begging because they know the iPhone couldn’t support their radio band for hspa umts. they are doing it their own way and plan for it to take care of itself with the refarm plans.

  • ogopogo

    The only benefit for us as customers to have the iPhone officially released on T-mobile would be the possibility of WiFi calling support. Other than that, you could save some cash, by buying it unlocked directly through Apple.

  • rob

    Apple just announced a media event for october 23. A source said there going to announce i pad mini and iphone 5 for t-mobile. Remember a while back apple did the same thing for i think sprint was it.

    • Whitney

      It just for the ipad mini and possible macbook pro 13 inch and maybe the imac

  • philly8

    just buy it unlocked and save a ton of money on the value plan….duh!

  • Executive Decision

    I am a Sr.V.P. With T-Mobile U.S.A. And was on a ride-a-long yesterday with John Legere doing field visits and he told me while he is C.E.O. Of T-Mobile U.S.A. We will NEVER sell the i-phone 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 or 10! He said there’s a better chance of hell freezing over!! And I laughed my ass off!!!

    • MagentaMadness

      What region?

      • http://www.facebook.com/DSwagg09 Dion Mac

        @6c339f2f7c7d8f9ba56932ad21b8a4a2:disqus You mean what planet. He meant TMobile Mars not U.S.A

    • http://tmonews.com David

      I love the idea of a SR VP who spells it “i-phone.” Also, it’s T-Mobile USA, no periods.

    • jbhotnessmon

      What he said is completely true I Steve Jobs back from the dead was along for the ride a long and I told them they WILL NEVER EVER GET THE IPHONE 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 or 10 BUT THEY WILL SELL THE IPHONE 11. You heard it hear first from steve jobs. I’m going to go roll in my grave… iphone 5 … smdh

    • Whitney

      If that true then in June it goodbye T-mobile and hello Sprint. It good thing Softbank is buying out Sprint.

      • http://www.facebook.com/DSwagg09 Dion Mac

        @facebook-547940103:disqus girl bye.

        • Whitney

          I was saying if that is true but who knows

        • http://www.facebook.com/DSwagg09 Dion Mac

          @facebook-547940103:disqus Im astonished that you actually believed what that moron said. But it is what it is.

      • bleeew

        The worst carrier in Japan is buying it, only edge they had was having the iPhone exclusively.

    • Anonymous

      you’re a L.i.a.r! completely false my friend, and so is your fake phone call! John is on News stating a few weeks ago, he has every interest in apple products, he not going to go into the portfolio, but you can use your unlock iphone on T Mobile.

      Senior Vice President (SVP) or CSVP John A. Birrer. we can rule out the COO, since he’s stepping down and CEO. Really these men are more concerned with production floor. also the level of education in your statement is about high school level. Both CVP have Professional degrees and they would not use hell freezing over to describe when T Mobile USA would be getting an apple product. We would expect an intelligent reason as an answer. The Phone has a very High Demand, a majority user are leaving T mobile to get an iPhone and those that aren’t demanding for a timeline for the apple products.

  • Evan

    I always thought the biggest reason T-Mobile never sealed the deal with Apple was for the outrageous contract? T-Mobile doesn’t, and shouldn’t, want to go into the red (like Sprint) for a single phone.

    • bleeew

      I heard that too. The same amount of phone and price Sprint payed. Which isn’t fair since T-Mobile is smaller and therefore would need a smaller amount.

  • http://www.facebook.com/unfazedrebel Jé Be (Here but Gone)

    IHope they never official carry the iPhone !!!!!!!! There goes the network ! I don’t bash those who carry it but damn I wish something else would take its place already.

    • bleeew

      Nope. All the major users are on AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint. AT&T died, because they were first with the iPhone. Sprint was already slow, and Verizon had LTE right there, while they ended unlimited data.

  • http://twitter.com/AtheGrreat $A$ the Great

    They have been saying this for years lol. I’ll believe it when I see it. As for me, my sister was nice enough to give me her iphone 4 so I’m now using it on t-mobile since I couldn’t wait anymore. I came across some spotty 3G coverage in certain parts of Brooklyn,Queens and Long Island. At this point I want them to hurry up the refarm.

  • gobigstayscrappy

    I said this a month ago. my dm told me it was…. Value is most likely the reason. No subsidies on phones make it not so costly to sell the iphone

  • Jmtztech

    that sounds about right. T-mobile is going o get the IPHONE in the up coming yr. what i found out is that t-mobile is going to do away with the classic rate plans and offer only value. So no discount on the phone, but on the plan. We’re going to be buying the Phone at full cost that way T-mobile doesnt go belly up like sprint.

    • Whitney

      What about the people on the classic plans

  • Winski

    T-Mumble will NEVER HAVE THE IPhone, because I say SO !,,,

  • MuthaFuckinStephen

    A man can only wait to long. I’ve found a new love. her name is S3. I’m never looking back. Take care Apple.

  • guy

    I don’t think there should even be a discussion about this article. Please reference previous 100,000 iPhone on T-Mobile articles.

  • Tired of hearing it!

    They say that every year! So in other news I changed my ring tone!

    • http://www.facebook.com/DSwagg09 Dion Mac

      that just really tickled me lol

  • http://www.youtube.com/#/mrjlwilliams J. Williams

    I think the only reason to get it on TMo is for their speeds, or to just have it. Unless they update the OS, I’m gonna continue to use it on my Sprint account. Their LTE is super fast compared to TMo 4G. However, once they release their LTE, (which won’t be for a while) I won’t entertain it. Only phones I would consider getting on TMo at this point, is WP8 and SGNote II (which I will be getting). Good job TMo on at least trying to keep up…

  • fat boy

    The problem the T Mobile have with selling the iPhone would be the value plans the cost of the value plans plus how much apple receive in money back for each customer that carries on iphone who pushed T Mobile out of the value pricing. T Mobile is trying to get away from giving subsidized handset to customers in exchange for a lower monthly bill the iPhone is a complete contradiction up everything that T Mobile is trying to go to as a company so in short 1 of 2 things have to happen 1 T Mobile has to forget all about what its plans would be for the future with the value plans or 2 they would need to be able to buy phone from Apple as needed in not commit to a certain number but from what I know neither 1 would ever happen

  • wat

    T-Mobile should get lowest iPhone subsidy costs period.
    Otherwise, no deal period. Apple has to obey them anyway cuz Apple
    needs them to fight against Android’s domination. Deal or no deal.

    T-Mobile just learned that they don’t need iPhone anymore due to iPhone popularity declines steadily, but T-Mobile likes to have iPhone on their shelves, only pay cheaper subsidy costs. T-Mobile can provide a service to iPhone users without paying subsidy costs by re-farming bands supporting iPhone. Getting iPhone consumers into T-Mobile is kinda slow, but not big deal for them cuz no cost at all. It is win-win for DT, T-Mobile, and us.

    Apple needs to wake up. Offer best deal or losing market share steadily in a matter of time.

    • Kevin

      Lmao. The iPhone is currently on backordered. It has a 3-4 week wait due to demand. Its about to break every single mobile phone sales record. Keep living in your fantasy world.

      T-Mobile keeps bleeding customers. They are losing their most valuable customers.

    • Guest911

      Are you in competition with the other guy for the dumbest comment on this blog post?

  • Hesster

    People have been saying that every year since AT&T’s exclusive contract expired.

    Personally, I couldn’t care less about the iPhone. I hate Apple’s “I know what’s best for you so it’s my way or the highway” attitude.

    • http://www.facebook.com/DSwagg09 Dion Mac

      People keep saying they’ve heard this before… over and over again. My ears are bleeding, thanks. and hell its only been what 3 years? So we’ve heard this three times and yall made? In other better news, I changed a light bulb.

  • Carnage 1

    What’s an iPhone

    • bleeew

      A phone that looks like an “i”

  • qpinto

    funny thing is people keep saying tmobile should make apple build an iphone that works on the 1700/2100 hspa+ bands. then they would have to pay money like sprint did for their own version of the phone. the smartest thing tmobile has done is to refarm their network to support the gsm international version of the phone, thus not requiring a special phone to be built for their network. this way they spend the money on improving the network to support just about all gsm phones and patrons can bring their phone of choice over if it isn’t subsidized by tmobile themselves.

    would you rather spend 15.5 billion dollars to apple for a phone or spend that money to increase your network to support all gsm phones and increase speeds nationwide?

  • Winski

    The analyst IS A LIAR.

  • http://twitter.com/kevoptimus Kevin

    I think it make s a lot of sense. It would bring a ton of customers to TMo, as well as give Apple a whole new carrier to gain customers from. It’s logical for both companies. But as this is just speculation, I still have my doubts. We’ll see soon enough.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Andrew-Rardin/1416151034 Peter Andrew Rardin

    why does this keep getting posted every year? IF you really are so butthurt over not having the iphone please go somewhere else. I really don’t want one phone driving up pricing on my bill and causing a pretty fast network to no longer be fast. I don’t understand why people keep jumping at every little straw they hear when it’s about the iphone.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Andrew-Rardin/1416151034 Peter Andrew Rardin

    Hey here’s another article proving apple is still using a form of child slavery lets see an article about that posted on here since we want to talk about everything iphone here.
    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/foxconn-says-underage-workers-used-china-plant-015446422–finance.html

    • http://tmonews.com David

      Which is worth nothing because most people think Apple is the only company to use Foxconn.

  • Hilton T Young

    We don’t need it. They are 3 years late. Android = better now.