T-Mobile Changing 200MB Data Plan Away From Throttling To Overage

According to this leaked image which hit our inbox T-Mobile is set to make a change to their lowest data plan offering by removing the throttling and returning to overage charges. This represents a major shift in T-Mobile’s data policy even if it only affects the lowest price offering. T-Mobile’s marketing approach to competitive data offerings in recent months has been their “no overage” plan so this change is definitely one to note.

T-Mobile notes that the 200MB feature has exceeded T-Mobile’s expectations so “in order to remain competitive” and continue to offer the rate plan it will be grandfathered as of August 13th. An overage charge of $0.10 per MB will be assessed upon exceeding the 200MB limit with a maximum overage charge of $30 allowed on the Classic Plans versus a maximum overage charge of $35 on Value plans. Customers will receive a warning when they hit 180MB along with a 200MB alerting them to change the data plan to a higher offering or incur overage charges.

While this change only affects T-Mobile’s lowest data plan offering we have to wonder if the “expectations” for the higher end offerings won’t end up suffering the same fate. At this point we have no indication that any changes are coming for the higher end data plans but we didn’t have any indication the 200MB plan would change either. Let’s hope that T-Mobile believes that their throttling, however “unlimited” or not you may feel it is still represents a “better than the overall industry” approach to data plan charges.

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  • Mopar6464

    AT&T-Mobile in the making.
    Break out the popcorn.

    • ColdFeet

      Wait… TMobile does something people don’t like or agree with and its AT&T’s fault but when they do something *good*, its “more reason to block the buyout”?

      • Tmobile

        Yeah thats 100% true

      • Tmobile

        Yeah thats 100% true

      • Tmobile

        Yeah thats 100% true

      • Tmobile

        Yeah thats 100% true

    • Havoktek

      Let the assimilation commence!!

  • The Truth

    I sure hope this doesn’t carry over to the higher data plans

  • Shendo

    Not liking this.

  • Kyjeepbear

    It’s because there was no real need to get a larger plan since the speed in 98% of the area’s won’t really slow down since they’re so slow already.  

    • Shield147

      I’m a ”mere” 12 miles from one of the towers, repeaters, transponders or whatever you call them, my data range at ”any” given time of day or night is 1.7–5.4Kb/s. At that ”astronomical” speed it will take me my full billing cycle to reach their unlimited level on their nations largest 4g netwon’twork lol =•{D

      • 67_390_coupe

        Well we can tell that you have no clue how cell towers function if you consider 12 miles to be a short distance.

    • Shield147

      I’m a ”mere” 12 miles from one of the towers, repeaters, transponders or whatever you call them, my data range at ”any” given time of day or night is 1.7–5.4Kb/s. At that ”astronomical” speed it will take me my full billing cycle to reach their unlimited level on their nations largest 4g netwon’twork lol =•{D

  • Kyjeepbear

    It’s because there was no real need to get a larger plan since the speed in 98% of the area’s won’t really slow down since they’re so slow already.  

  • BROnan O’Brien

    Also, anyone who has an unlocked iPhone (over 1 million customers) would only have to get the $10 package, as the iPhone only gets 2G on T-Mobile’s network anyways, so the high speed 200MB is irrelevant.

  • Carpediem

    Disappointing. I never cared for the “unlimited” euphemism, but “no-overage” was still a great benefit that set t-mobile apart. Too bad.

  • Anonymous

    Tmobile’s teams must be in a mess right now.  The PR department is finally doing a good job getting stuff out there, now the higher ups want to be like ATT and Verizon.   IT really doesnt seem like they know wtf they are doing.  I love how i have to tell people they are no overage charges, but hey wait, if you get the 200mb package, there is a overage.

  • itsabouttime

    Now maybe you’ll sign up for a real data package when you get your smartphone. Stop getting eight year olds HD7s with 200mb because they “wanna play Xbox.”

    • Ziggy123

      Oh ATT would love your attitude!  Not everyone spends day and night streaming video, downloading music and updating photos to their social network accounts.  Some people just want casual access on the go for email, directions, movie times and the like–for which a few MBs of data is more than adequate.

      • jarjon76

        If you use data everyday, you should up your data plan. Quit being cheap and pay for the data you use. 

  • Tireofthecomplaining

    WOW… we always have to have someone complain. TMobile thorttles the Data so no one is charged overage, then people say they don’t like this and would rather pay overage. So they go and make the change and now people complain about having to pay for the overage if they go over… Will you please make up your minds in what you want!
    You all sound like old Women getting together to complain about life in general. Just pay for your service and be happy. 

  • Tireofthecomplaining

    WOW… we always have to have someone complain. TMobile thorttles the Data so no one is charged overage, then people say they don’t like this and would rather pay overage. So they go and make the change and now people complain about having to pay for the overage if they go over… Will you please make up your minds in what you want!
    You all sound like old Women getting together to complain about life in general. Just pay for your service and be happy. 

    • Mopar6464

      Unlimited should be Unlimited , no overages or throttled data .
      Why can’t T-Mobile just say it like it is in big bold print in their advertising.
      Then most people will stop b**ching and know what the real charge would be from the get go.

      • elarella

        If you look at the big picture, it is technically unlimited because even though you are getting throttled, you are still receiving data signal via EDGE and/or GPRS. Everything comes with a price, so I am ok with being throttled as long as I am receiving some type of data signal.

        • Anonymous

          I got the 5GB throttling message this billing cycle but noticed that the speed reduction is MUCH more severe than the previous times the message came through.  Before, I was still able to reach speeds of about 1Mbps.  Yesterday, after struggling to just stream normal quality Pandora, I ran a speed test to find the speed at roughly 64kbps/50kbps.  What gives?  That’s not even EDGE speeds… more like GPRS…

          Is anyone else seeing such a dramatic decrease in speeds?  BTW, I live in a 4G area that averages roughly 1.8Mbps on my wife’s Sensation and 1.4Mbps on my HD2…

        • frigadroid

          Same here :-(

      • Anonymous

        It’s like an all you can eat buffet, but after the fifth round they give you a smaller plate.

      • Anonymous

        It’s like an all you can eat buffet, but after the fifth round they give you a smaller plate.

    • Anonymous

      I agree with tireofthecomplaining some people need to make up their minds especially if you know how their unlimited works (Mopar6464) if you know they tell u u get throttled ppl r happy then when they actually do they want to get charged to stay on faster network and then whine when they get charged make up your mind.

      • Mopar6464

        It won’t all matter in a few more months anyways.
        T-Mobile will change everything again to match AT&T’s plans as the acquisition completes.

        • Anonymous

          I guess even though I liked to believe it won’t but well see in a few months

        • Anonymous

          I guess even though I liked to believe it won’t but well see in a few months

  • Wasn’t the 200 meg plan always overage?  I remember seeing the ads for it saying that it was.

    • Kenst36

       nope, not at all…

  • Rfgenerator

    T-Mobile is already having their weekly “meetings” with their new “A Fee & Fee” overlords

  • Rfgenerator

    T-Mobile is already having their weekly “meetings” with their new “A Fee & Fee” overlords

  • 4ever21

    Umm what was the purpose of giving away the data plan for free for Father’s Day if you are going to be an asinine carrier and then charge fees. They say they want to keep us but clearly they do not respect their customers at all. Sprint is looking pretty good right now.

  • 4ever21

    Umm what was the purpose of giving away the data plan for free for Father’s Day if you are going to be an asinine carrier and then charge fees. They say they want to keep us but clearly they do not respect their customers at all. Sprint is looking pretty good right now.

    • Anonymous

      Ummm its going to be grandfathered as in u don’t pay anything if you got it before the said date Aug 13 if after that then u pay.

    • tmodroid

      Anybody who already has the 200mb feature still won’t incur overages and as the article says will be grandfathered in. They won’t be affected by the change.

    • tmodroid

      Anybody who already has the 200mb feature still won’t incur overages and as the article says will be grandfathered in. They won’t be affected by the change.

  • Anonymous

    annndd we quickly “throttle” downhill.
    if they are having issues with overage eliminate the 200 mg feature alltogether

    • derek 21

      no because then every1 will start crying that they don’t offer something cheap for ppl that want smartphones but no data

      • Anonymous

        Your so right :/

  • Anonymous

    annndd we quickly “throttle” downhill.
    if they are having issues with overage eliminate the 200 mg feature alltogether

  • Asder24

    The 200MB plan was perfect since I have the Astound and the drop from 3G to EDGE wasn’t a big deal. I have a phone upgrade in October, if I were to use it would I have to change it?

  • Asder24

    The 200MB plan was perfect since I have the Astound and the drop from 3G to EDGE wasn’t a big deal. I have a phone upgrade in October, if I were to use it would I have to change it?

    • Ash

      If you sign a new contract, most likely they will switch you to the new plan.

    • Ash

      If you sign a new contract, most likely they will switch you to the new plan.

  • Anonymous

    How many different “plan changes” have they made in the last year alone, let alone the last two?  
    I swear it seems now every month or two they’re changing one plan or another.

  • Bad news seems to come everyday for TMO. They are deliberately shooting themselves in the foot.

  • Rickjames

    Tmobile starting to look like ATT everyday now.

  • derek 21

    it’s not financially feasible for a company to allow more people then they expected to pay the minimum amount required for data, and still have them using up 600 700 mb, just doesn’t make good business sense, once people start realizing they are being served by a business that’s there for customer service but also to make money, maybe some of these comments will subside.

    • TMOFtKnox

      So what is it costing TMO for those folks that do go over the 200 meg limit?  Lower bandwidth cost for those people lucky enough to be located in 3G/4G area’s?  For those of us located in 2G/1G areas like about 90% of the country, there is NO additional cost at all.  Heck, if they were to provide 3G/4G speeds, I would go over my limits every month just to pay to get the upgrade!

  • Anonymous

    I’m confused why everyone is so upset…this is not new. I work for T-Mobile and since we’ve had the 200mb plan there has been an overage charge of .10/mb over the limit, I see it on customer’s bills all the time.

    • Kenst36

       what are you talking about?!?  there is no overage for going over your data.  i am on the 200mb plan, and i do not incur overage charges.  i just get my speed throttled down. 

      obv u are one horrible tmobile employee if you do not know this…

      • Neoprimal

        That or a liar about working for T-Mobile, as it seems to be the “thing” to do nowadays…

        “I work for T-Mobile/Verizon/ATT/Sprint and so and so and so”.

        • Dominic

          He’s probably a former worker.  The 200MB plan that was in place before May 22nd was the data plan with 10 cents per MB after going over.  This 200MB plan has been around for only 2 1/2 months yet everyone seems to forget the way it had been for over a year before.

      • Neoprimal

        That or a liar about working for T-Mobile, as it seems to be the “thing” to do nowadays…

        “I work for T-Mobile/Verizon/ATT/Sprint and so and so and so”.

  • Anonymous

    Watch out the 5GB cap after $30 maximum overage as it’s shown at under the table.

  • Mark

    Well, since the missus and I won’t be getting new phones this weekend, I doubt we’ll be going with T-Mobile now. 

    Crap…even with her not really wanting a smartphone, there’s like no way for me to get one without significantly increasing out monthly bill, which she is opposed too. 

    • derek 21

      yes there is the new plans

  • EDTIVA

    UGH! I am glad I just added this feature to one of my lines and will be grandfathered in. This “over popular” plan just shows how cell companies are forcing users hands. It is popular because people don’t need high speed internet all the time, most users are casual but like smart phones as the other phones are so buggy and unreliable. They just want some type of internet for basics and the 200mb throttled was perfect… It was easy to justify $10 for my parents lines for their casual browsing which might be 400MB or so, with speed being a non issue….  What kills me though, the real kicker is that I get f-ing edge most of the time in Oregon in fairly large places!

  • Anonymous

    If T-Mobile is doing this on the 200MB data plan,
    because “its so called popular” as they claim, you have to believe they
    are “thinking and about to” target the 2GB, and 5GB data plan users.

    T-Mobile thinks people are dumb. They figured that people paying $10,
    and I bet majority are going over the 200MB limit, because they are on
    Android phones, as well as WP devices, that why not charge extra, since
    they don’t want to get a 2GB data plan. I don’t think the Blackberry users hit the 200MB limit, since its compressed thru the server.

    Looks like T-Mobile has to pay more to re-do their marketing brochures, train/bus ads, just to reflect to overage charges now.

    Sprint’s TV ad comparing their competitors, are right.

    • IT Guy

      I see this as a step toward what many carriers and isps are eying — pay as you go data.

  • Wolver2888

    Maybe they’re trying to lose customers on purpose so that they have a good reason for them to accept the acquisition from att

    • Moneyman

      I completely agree with that. I was just gonna post the same exact thing. They’re looking to make themselves similar to at&t so the acquisition doesn’t look as bad….sneaky sneaky…

  • TMOFtKnox

    I just changed my family plan to the classic with 200 meg (had the $25 android unlimited before) because I live in an area that only has Edge service, so they could not do anything if I exceeded the 200 meg limit.  I think that they realized that a majority of the folks jumping on the $10 data plan were in my shoes with nothing to loose by going over the limit.  Still won’t bother me much as I stay on WiFi most of the time anyway.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, tmobile and At&t merger is getting serious. Goodbye Tmobile along with their customer service

  • Tortionist

    Hey I have two questions. First, does T mobile charge overage for the 200 megabyte plan? second, if they don’t will they charge overage on my grandfathered 200 megabyte plan when this goes into effect? I don’t usually go over, but there’s the occasional month that I do. 

    • Dominic

      If you already have the 200MB plan with no overage then that will not change.  It’s only for people who add it after the 13th.

      • Tortionist

        Thanks for the reply.

  • RAWshadTX

    The only thing I’m concern with is when people are still on the classic plan and if they want a phone that requires the 200MB plan for their rebate, it won’t be unlimited anymore which means more angry customers acting a fool -__-

    But this will stop cheap ass phones with 500 dollars phone getting weak ass data packages though. In a business point it works well i a bad plan.

    But getting a 200MB plan for a super phone makes no sense. What’s the point in getting that lol.

    • RAWshadTX

      I meant cheap ass people, lol.

    • Joe

      its called wifi.

      i only check emails and such, never go over 200mb.

    • Joe

      its called wifi.

      i only check emails and such, never go over 200mb.

  • Trickster

    Every subscriber stuck on edge such as the 1 million IPhone users and most rural customers have no reason to get anything other than the 200mb data plan. 

  • Armaghan

    In another news.. “Customers are leaving T-Mobile in favor of regional Carriers”…

  • Armaghan

    In another news.. “Customers are leaving T-Mobile in favor of regional Carriers”…

  • Armaghan

    In another news.. “Customers are leaving T-Mobile in favor of regional Carriers”…

  • JordanG314

    No overage charges is the reason I switched to Tmobile. This change is a big step back.

  • JordanG314

    No overage charges is the reason I switched to Tmobile. This change is a big step back.

  • JordanG314

    No overage charges is the reason I switched to Tmobile. This change is a big step back.

  • Al

    I use my myTouch 4G as a wifi hotspot and use every bit of 4G data that I pay for (5GB then throttled) I have fiOS home internet, but would still rather screw T-Mobile because of the way that the company treats its customers. I’m paying for it, I’m going to use it, so here’s a giant F*** YOU to T-Mobile and their damn bandwith.

    • jarjon76

      Victim card noted.

    • jarjon76

      Victim card noted.

    • jarjon76

      Victim card noted.

    • Dominic

      I’ll laugh my ass off when you’re back here crying that T-mobile shut off your tethering and now you have to buy the $14.99 tethering feature.

      • Al

        T-Mobile can’t do jack sh*t about what I use my phone for. As long as I’m receiving data, I’ll be tethering it. As soon as T-Mobile stops giving me data, my contract will finally be voided and I can leave this once good company, that becomes more pathetic day by day. Once again here’s a SUPER GIANT F*** YOU to T-Mobile.

        • Respawn

          Ha, I love people who think data comes free with tethering and their contract is void if that changes. Seriously, maybe we should consider it mandatory to read your contract aloud before you’re able to buy a phone. That way, when you’re being an idiot later on, maybe you might realize you only have yourself to blame for signing the agreement in the first place.

          AT&T and Verizon both stopped illegal tethering. It’s only a matter of time before T-Mobile and other companies follow suit.

        • Dominic

          Al, when you signed the contract you agreed to the T&C, which stated that tethering is prohibited and not supported unless you have the feature.  So per the contract you signed, they can cut off your data each and every time you try to tether and you have no legal recourse.

  • TMoFan

    No overages is a great seller against the likes of at&t and Verizon. Hope this isn’t a sign of things to come regarding their other data plans.

  • mike

    Makes sense.. your paying for 200mb’s of data, if you want more then you have to pay for it!

  • mike

    Makes sense.. your paying for 200mb’s of data, if you want more then you have to pay for it!

    • Joe

      i suppose you’re fine if they enforced the same policy on the 2gb and 5gb plans?

      • jarjon76

        I would be. If I have a 2GB plan and need more I bump it up to 5GB. If I’m using more than 5GB I’m putting down my phone and finding something more constructive to do.

      • jarjon76

        I would be. If I have a 2GB plan and need more I bump it up to 5GB. If I’m using more than 5GB I’m putting down my phone and finding something more constructive to do.

      • jarjon76

        I would be. If I have a 2GB plan and need more I bump it up to 5GB. If I’m using more than 5GB I’m putting down my phone and finding something more constructive to do.

        • Respawn

          But that’s crazy. People love streaming their porn. What do you MEAN their plans won’t be unlimited anymore?

          In all seriousness, at least T-Mobile has a cap on how much they bill for overages. If AT&T did something like that, they might be worth doing business with.

    • Jay

      How about data plans go Unlimited again. If not at least don’t u are unlimited

  • Neoprimal

    Because quite a few apps work just fine using throttled data. The speed mostly affects people trying to do media and loading heavy graphic/flash/media intensive web pages. I have my wife on the 200MB plan because she doesn’t surf much. She uses almost 200MB a month and this does NOT include surfing, any music or video….basically, her phone uses ~150MB just doing background stuff on it’s own like checking email, grabbing pulse updates and using her net’ only apps. You take that and bring it over to a throttled phone and people can still use their devices fine IF they don’t heavily use the phone for media.
    I travel with my mytouch 4G abroad and though the 3G/4G didn’t work in the country and my phone worked fine for doing things in the background as well as reading email and such. I wasn’t able to use Pandora or stream movies, etc. but I was even OK to surf as long as the site wasn’t heavy on images.

  • J. Williams

    This is about right, and it appears to be fair.

  • tmo turning nazi

  • tmo turning nazi

  • Anonymous

    Nice to see there’s a lot to look forward to if the T-mobile USA sale to AT&T doesn’t go through… lol

  • Anonymous

    Nice to see there’s a lot to look forward to if the T-mobile USA sale to AT&T doesn’t go through… lol

  • Anonymous

    Nice to see there’s a lot to look forward to if the T-mobile USA sale to AT&T doesn’t go through… lol

  • ItsMichaelNotMike

    Recall I posted last year to look to ALL carriers going to overage charges on data plans. It’s got nothing to do with anything except… drum roll please…

    MONEY!

    As I said around June 2010, subscribers have got their talking under control, to where there’s not as many people as there used to be incurring overage charges for exceeding talk minutes.  That has translated into carriers longing for the profits of old, making BILLIONS in “extra” profits because just about every customer would go over talk plan minutes at least a couple times a year. (In 2008 my GF exceeded our talk plan about three times over the year, to where I paid T-Mobile appx. $600 in overage charges.  When we went to unlimited talk, those charges ended.)

    As I also said before, repeatedly, data has saved the carriers’ collective a$ses.  I said to look for all the carriers to impose/change/introduce draconian new data plans and policies that are nothing more than disguised money grabs.

    And recall I said this would be done in bits and pieces, so that the people would not realize what hit them.

    Of course, this change is not really directed toward you, it’s to impose overage charges on the 99.99% of T-Mobile customers who won’t understand this overage policy (notwithstanding a text being sent, warning of impending charges). All they know is that their data plans cost $10 monthly.

    Perhaps the most compelling evidence that this is a T-Mobile money-grab, why doesn’t T-Mobile make the phone’s default:

    “If you exceed your 200 MB limit, the data connection stops working.  We will send a text message telling you your options: A) you can stop using your data connection; or B) To continue using data it will cost ____ per MB, or a $____ flat charge for the next 200 MB.”

    The reason T-Mobile does not do this, it wants people to go over so it makes billions in overage charges.  T-Mobile knows that if it chose an “opt-in” instead of an “opt-out” system 99.9999% of the users would reject incurring additional charges. (After all, that’s why most people choose the $10 plan, they want to save as much money as the can every month. Anyone who says that users select the 200 MB plan because “that’s all they need” is a con artist toeing the T-Mobile company line.  After all, do you really think people choosing the lowest priced plan have any idea what 200 MB usage is, much less how much data they use every month.  Gimme a break.)

    Besides, we just know before embarking on this most recent profit journey that T-Mobile calculated: ___ % of people are exceeding their 200 MB limit, ____% users are willing to use EDGE until the next billing period, ____ users will ignore an e-mail or text warning about approaching the 200MB limit, ____ number of people won’t know what that warning means anyway, $____ can be made by imposing automatic overage charges on those users, ____ users will simply pay the $30 bill and not call to complain, ____ users will incur overage charges three to five times over a year before they MIGHT do something about it.

    This is another reason to go prepaid, IMO.  With prepaid if you exceed your talk minutes or data limit, the phone stops working.  You can upgrade the account to unlimited talk and data or simply shelve the phone.  The important aspect of prepaid is that there’s no such thing as overage charges.  That a substantial alternative compared to post-paid’s money-grabbing tactics.

    Lastly, in line with my “bits and pieces” argument, you can bet overage charges will be imposed for the 2GB and 5GB plans. (And yes, these policy changes are no doubt in line with what the contract between the parties requires, so that by the time the acquisition is approved there will be no difference between AT&T and T-Mobile plans, policies and procedures.  Don’t be surprised to find out there’s an AT&T-employed “liaison” working at T-Mobile who is calling all the shots.

    • IT Guy

      Yeah this is pretty much in line with what I’ve been anticipating too. I wouldn’t be terribly suprised if data just became an option that could be added to a line at no cost — but charged ala carte, $10-15 per gig.

      • Anonymous

        Ala carte at $10 per gig would get them a lot more data users, and lot more smartphone sales.  With family plans it’s simply not cost effective to pay $30+ a line for data, esp. compared to offerings from Boost, Virgin Mobile, etc.  Hopefully they’ll figure it out sooner rather than later.

        • Dominic

          And Chrysler could sell a tone of cars by dropping the price of a $30,000 car to $5,000.  At that price, I’d even by a Chrysler.  That’s what you are asking for, because the 10GB of web is now $60 and you think it should be $10.  A company would not last long if you were at the helm of dictating prices.

        • Al

          You obviously never learned how to read or do math a**hole. If 1GB of data was $10, 10GB would be $100, meaning T-Mo would make $40 more for 10GB of data. Also meaning the average customer that uses around 2GB of data, would be spending $20. Now that’s a good deal for both the company and the consumer. Why do all the people that run this POS company have to be morons?

        • Dominic

          The average Android and Iphone user only uses around 500MB of data per month, which is why they chose the 200MB plan for the ultra low users and then the next step is the $20 2GB plan.  If you don’t believe the average then do a Google search for “Android average data usage 2011”.   There are many different studies done that say the same thing. 

        • Dominic

          The average Android and Iphone user only uses around 500MB of data per month, which is why they chose the 200MB plan for the ultra low users and then the next step is the $20 2GB plan.  If you don’t believe the average then do a Google search for “Android average data usage 2011”.   There are many different studies done that say the same thing. 

        • Dominic

          The average Android and Iphone user only uses around 500MB of data per month, which is why they chose the 200MB plan for the ultra low users and then the next step is the $20 2GB plan.  If you don’t believe the average then do a Google search for “Android average data usage 2011”.   There are many different studies done that say the same thing. 

        • Anonymous

          And thus we see it is possible to fool some of the people all the time.  The incremental cost for bandwidth is going down as networks are built out and technology improves.  It’s not by chance that in developing countries, wireless is a predominant way of getting online.  As usual, the US is playing catch up, with the carriers being dragged kicking and screaming.

    • The ATL Guy

      Werent you leaving?

      You posted on like 3 different threads about how you were leaving to pursue your prepaid legal services career. 
      What the hell?

  • ItsMichaelNotMike

    Recall I posted last year to look to ALL carriers going to overage charges on data plans. It’s got nothing to do with anything except… drum roll please…

    MONEY!

    As I said around June 2010, subscribers have got their talking under control, to where there’s not as many people as there used to be incurring overage charges for exceeding talk minutes.  That has translated into carriers longing for the profits of old, making BILLIONS in “extra” profits because just about every customer would go over talk plan minutes at least a couple times a year. (In 2008 my GF exceeded our talk plan about three times over the year, to where I paid T-Mobile appx. $600 in overage charges.  When we went to unlimited talk, those charges ended.)

    As I also said before, repeatedly, data has saved the carriers’ collective a$ses.  I said to look for all the carriers to impose/change/introduce draconian new data plans and policies that are nothing more than disguised money grabs.

    And recall I said this would be done in bits and pieces, so that the people would not realize what hit them.

    Of course, this change is not really directed toward you, it’s to impose overage charges on the 99.99% of T-Mobile customers who won’t understand this overage policy (notwithstanding a text being sent, warning of impending charges). All they know is that their data plans cost $10 monthly.

    Perhaps the most compelling evidence that this is a T-Mobile money-grab, why doesn’t T-Mobile make the phone’s default:

    “If you exceed your 200 MB limit, the data connection stops working.  We will send a text message telling you your options: A) you can stop using your data connection; or B) To continue using data it will cost ____ per MB, or a $____ flat charge for the next 200 MB.”

    The reason T-Mobile does not do this, it wants people to go over so it makes billions in overage charges.  T-Mobile knows that if it chose an “opt-in” instead of an “opt-out” system 99.9999% of the users would reject incurring additional charges. (After all, that’s why most people choose the $10 plan, they want to save as much money as the can every month. Anyone who says that users select the 200 MB plan because “that’s all they need” is a con artist toeing the T-Mobile company line.  After all, do you really think people choosing the lowest priced plan have any idea what 200 MB usage is, much less how much data they use every month.  Gimme a break.)

    Besides, we just know before embarking on this most recent profit journey that T-Mobile calculated: ___ % of people are exceeding their 200 MB limit, ____% users are willing to use EDGE until the next billing period, ____ users will ignore an e-mail or text warning about approaching the 200MB limit, ____ number of people won’t know what that warning means anyway, $____ can be made by imposing automatic overage charges on those users, ____ users will simply pay the $30 bill and not call to complain, ____ users will incur overage charges three to five times over a year before they MIGHT do something about it.

    This is another reason to go prepaid, IMO.  With prepaid if you exceed your talk minutes or data limit, the phone stops working.  You can upgrade the account to unlimited talk and data or simply shelve the phone.  The important aspect of prepaid is that there’s no such thing as overage charges.  That a substantial alternative compared to post-paid’s money-grabbing tactics.

    Lastly, in line with my “bits and pieces” argument, you can bet overage charges will be imposed for the 2GB and 5GB plans. (And yes, these policy changes are no doubt in line with what the contract between the parties requires, so that by the time the acquisition is approved there will be no difference between AT&T and T-Mobile plans, policies and procedures.  Don’t be surprised to find out there’s an AT&T-employed “liaison” working at T-Mobile who is calling all the shots.

  • ItsMichaelNotMike

    Recall I posted last year to look to ALL carriers going to overage charges on data plans. It’s got nothing to do with anything except… drum roll please…

    MONEY!

    As I said around June 2010, subscribers have got their talking under control, to where there’s not as many people as there used to be incurring overage charges for exceeding talk minutes.  That has translated into carriers longing for the profits of old, making BILLIONS in “extra” profits because just about every customer would go over talk plan minutes at least a couple times a year. (In 2008 my GF exceeded our talk plan about three times over the year, to where I paid T-Mobile appx. $600 in overage charges.  When we went to unlimited talk, those charges ended.)

    As I also said before, repeatedly, data has saved the carriers’ collective a$ses.  I said to look for all the carriers to impose/change/introduce draconian new data plans and policies that are nothing more than disguised money grabs.

    And recall I said this would be done in bits and pieces, so that the people would not realize what hit them.

    Of course, this change is not really directed toward you, it’s to impose overage charges on the 99.99% of T-Mobile customers who won’t understand this overage policy (notwithstanding a text being sent, warning of impending charges). All they know is that their data plans cost $10 monthly.

    Perhaps the most compelling evidence that this is a T-Mobile money-grab, why doesn’t T-Mobile make the phone’s default:

    “If you exceed your 200 MB limit, the data connection stops working.  We will send a text message telling you your options: A) you can stop using your data connection; or B) To continue using data it will cost ____ per MB, or a $____ flat charge for the next 200 MB.”

    The reason T-Mobile does not do this, it wants people to go over so it makes billions in overage charges.  T-Mobile knows that if it chose an “opt-in” instead of an “opt-out” system 99.9999% of the users would reject incurring additional charges. (After all, that’s why most people choose the $10 plan, they want to save as much money as the can every month. Anyone who says that users select the 200 MB plan because “that’s all they need” is a con artist toeing the T-Mobile company line.  After all, do you really think people choosing the lowest priced plan have any idea what 200 MB usage is, much less how much data they use every month.  Gimme a break.)

    Besides, we just know before embarking on this most recent profit journey that T-Mobile calculated: ___ % of people are exceeding their 200 MB limit, ____% users are willing to use EDGE until the next billing period, ____ users will ignore an e-mail or text warning about approaching the 200MB limit, ____ number of people won’t know what that warning means anyway, $____ can be made by imposing automatic overage charges on those users, ____ users will simply pay the $30 bill and not call to complain, ____ users will incur overage charges three to five times over a year before they MIGHT do something about it.

    This is another reason to go prepaid, IMO.  With prepaid if you exceed your talk minutes or data limit, the phone stops working.  You can upgrade the account to unlimited talk and data or simply shelve the phone.  The important aspect of prepaid is that there’s no such thing as overage charges.  That a substantial alternative compared to post-paid’s money-grabbing tactics.

    Lastly, in line with my “bits and pieces” argument, you can bet overage charges will be imposed for the 2GB and 5GB plans. (And yes, these policy changes are no doubt in line with what the contract between the parties requires, so that by the time the acquisition is approved there will be no difference between AT&T and T-Mobile plans, policies and procedures.  Don’t be surprised to find out there’s an AT&T-employed “liaison” working at T-Mobile who is calling all the shots.

  • Alvin Brinson

    Okay, I *was* mad, until I looked at the screen shot. Notice there’s a MAX OVERAGE CHARGE. Yeah, no $13275.23 bills because Jr. got a hold of the phone. That’s something, at least.

  • I’m guessing this is due to the millions of iphone users who want unlimited data and can’t enjoy tmo’s high speeds any how.

  • AT&T-Mobile

    I feel bad for the people who do get overages on their bills, have you tried to call into T-Mobile lately through the automated system to reach a representative…it’ll take you forever to get through to someone to complain to only to have them same the charges are valid.

    • YES! They changed their customer service none of the options give you a human being.  Terrible.  Automated menu’s are completely useless now, which is why everytime i call in, its a tech problem, and i’ve power cycled my phone already.  Two can play this game.  Their online portal has made calling in pointless unless you actually had to talk to a person, and here they are making it hard to talk to a person.  It just pisses me off to think about having to call in now.  Usually I look forward to talking with the reps and getting a good rep that’s enjoying their day.

      • Dominic

        Probably because they don’t have enough customer service reps to handle the calls coming in(they’re dwindling their number of reps by incredible numbers).  They probably added in the automated system to try and kill the amount of calls coming in.

        • Tmobile

          You just press 0 till you get a rep…

        • 0 doesn’t work for me anymore.

        • 0 doesn’t work for me anymore.

        • IT Guy

          I called in on Monday to give them a tracking number for the phones I’d returned and was greeted with the new 3 minute long explanation of my bill before I could do anything. 0, #, 1, 9 none of them did anything.

          When it finally got to a voice prompt, it kept not understanding me, then went to a new message. “I’m sorry I’m having trouble understanding out. Because of my technical problems…” I thought great, it’s gonna transfer me to a person! But no, it went on to say “I’m going to disconnect this call. Please try again.”

          That happened 3 times. Finally on my 4th call, I said “Cancel service” at the prompt and got through. Very, very disappointing. It’s a money saver, and I know they’re trying to save every penny they can, but when customers who are having problems call in and are greeted with that it leaves with a bad taste in their mouths.

        • IT Guy

          I called in on Monday to give them a tracking number for the phones I’d returned and was greeted with the new 3 minute long explanation of my bill before I could do anything. 0, #, 1, 9 none of them did anything.

          When it finally got to a voice prompt, it kept not understanding me, then went to a new message. “I’m sorry I’m having trouble understanding out. Because of my technical problems…” I thought great, it’s gonna transfer me to a person! But no, it went on to say “I’m going to disconnect this call. Please try again.”

          That happened 3 times. Finally on my 4th call, I said “Cancel service” at the prompt and got through. Very, very disappointing. It’s a money saver, and I know they’re trying to save every penny they can, but when customers who are having problems call in and are greeted with that it leaves with a bad taste in their mouths.

        • 0 doesn’t work for me anymore.

  • Jason

    Did the buyout happen already because T-Mobile is starting to look alot like AT&T

    Now there has never been a better time to switch to Sprint

    • Elliot Acosta

      ya i just switch to sprint from t-mobile yesterday
      i got a better deal

      • Just wait a month and see.

    • Elliot Acosta

      ya i just switch to sprint from t-mobile yesterday
      i got a better deal

    • jonathan morcilio

      sprint sucks i switched to them and i had no signal so i went to at&t they are much better as they say you get what you pay for.

    • jonathan morcilio

      sprint sucks i switched to them and i had no signal so i went to at&t they are much better as they say you get what you pay for.

    • Good luck with Sprint you’ll need it. Your first 30 days while you can cancel your agreement you get top notch customer care. After that your calls get routed overseas and you’ll have corps contact you if you complain enough; only to be given numbers that go right to voicemail.

      As far as an att merge with tmobile it appears to have already happened behind the scenes because where I live we get commercials saying how great it would be for tmobile and att to merge.

      So it probably already happened on paper. They are testing the waters with a public response and comment.

      Yep it would be great to continue to only have 1 choice for anything. Monopolies have been great to the country.

      People are finding that out after comcast began shutting down accounts critical of the bandwidth caps. Well perhaps they are finding out? When you have no choice in service you are no longer a consumer and you become a slave.

  • The ATL Guy

    Some of you need to loosen your tin foil hat if you think this has anything to do with ATT buying tmobile. 

    • Say what you want, but their Actions speak much louder than YOU…..

      • Anonymous

        because god forbid T-Mobile make a change in their benefit. Totally AT&T’s doing, and not T-Mobile just making a business decision for themselves.

      • Anonymous

        because god forbid T-Mobile make a change in their benefit. Totally AT&T’s doing, and not T-Mobile just making a business decision for themselves.

      • Anonymous

        because god forbid T-Mobile make a change in their benefit. Totally AT&T’s doing, and not T-Mobile just making a business decision for themselves.

      • The ATL Guy

        OH SNAP! You got me there!

    • They want to be more “competitive” translated meaning they want to be like the big boys AT&T and Verizon who charge overage.  In other circumstances it would be called collusion.

  • Dominic

    That’s easy…Pandora or navigation.  I see accounts all the time with Iphones or just the 200MB plan that go past 600MB per month.  I’ve seen an Iphone use over 2GB worth of data before and it can only do Edge. 

  • Dominic

    OK, so the change was likely due to so many people buying 4G phones and only using the 200MB plan.  The plan was probably to lure people in with the 200MB but then when they got throttled that they’d want to switch to the 2GB plan.  It didn’t pan out and I’ve seen it on tons and tons of accounts where people have a fast data phone and are fine with the Edge speeds after the throttling, even when their 4G service in their area runs 12 times faster than Edge.  If they had kept the throttling at the dial-up speeds then it would have worked but there was a major backlash when the throttled speeds went that low.

    • Why doesn’t tmo fix the throttling for good, then? Admitting defeat is only one of the options.

    • Anonymous

      is throttled speed already lower than dial up. dail up is 56k and i get 50k when i am a throttled on tmobile

      • Dominic

        Then you have a really poor Edge connection, because most people are completely fine with getting throttled and still using the service.  When it used to be the 50-56kbps throttled connection I received tons of calls and griping about it.  They would state they couldn’t do anything when they were throttled but now I never get that call.  I do get the people that gripe that Youtube videos no longer play or it’s too slow for tethering but that’s all. 

      • I think it’s faster than that. More like ISDN-speed. I accidentally set my N1 to 2G-only and didn’t notice for a week. But I’m in a WiFi zone 90% of the time anyway.

      • I think it’s faster than that. More like ISDN-speed. I accidentally set my N1 to 2G-only and didn’t notice for a week. But I’m in a WiFi zone 90% of the time anyway.

      • I think it’s faster than that. More like ISDN-speed. I accidentally set my N1 to 2G-only and didn’t notice for a week. But I’m in a WiFi zone 90% of the time anyway.

    • Anonymous

      is throttled speed already lower than dial up. dail up is 56k and i get 50k when i am a throttled on tmobile

    • Anonymous

      is throttled speed already lower than dial up. dail up is 56k and i get 50k when i am a throttled on tmobile

  • pushi1245

    My question is: can they apply over usage rates even if in the contract you sign it says clearly that it is unlimited? I am thinking to sign into the new value plans with 2gb. I won’t use more but just in case… right now they call it “unlimited data” with a star that after 2gb they slow down. So can they change the terms in middle of my contract???

    • Gfhgf

      Well technically if they stay with the plan the have and not change it… It will remain the same.but of you change it of course you’ll be charged the $0.10/MB rate.

    • You evidently did not read the whole thing.  Grandfathered subscribers do not get charged for overage.  Only new customers. 

    • According to my conversations with tmobile livechat the contract you agreed to only keeps you paying your monthly bill and tmobile can change anything they want to while the contract is in effect.

      So it’s not a contract as much as it is you signing yourself up to pay tmobile or get a blemish on your credit report.

      When will those that report negative things to credit companies be required to also post positive things?

      It’s rare if at all.

  • pushi1245

    My question is: can they apply over usage rates even if in the contract you sign it says clearly that it is unlimited? I am thinking to sign into the new value plans with 2gb. I won’t use more but just in case… right now they call it “unlimited data” with a star that after 2gb they slow down. So can they change the terms in middle of my contract???

  • Frosh

    So I have until the weekend to get in the unlimited after 200 MB plan? or will everyone on the 200MB plan get overage?

  • Frosh

    So I have until the weekend to get in the unlimited after 200 MB plan? or will everyone on the 200MB plan get overage?

    • Tmouser1

      Yes I would like to make sure as well. I was just about to sign up for the 200mb family plan today.

    • Tmouser1

      Yes I would like to make sure as well. I was just about to sign up for the 200mb family plan today.

      • Grandfathering usually means that those who are signed up prior to the change are not going to be charged overages.

      • Grandfathering usually means that those who are signed up prior to the change are not going to be charged overages.

    • Anonymous

       if u already have the 200 MB plan w throttling, u dont have to worry. ur grandfather into that plan.

  • Frosh

    So I have until the weekend to get in the unlimited after 200 MB plan? or will everyone on the 200MB plan get overage?

  • And just how is it being “competitive” putting a surcharge in when there was none before?  If they mean “just like the other guys” yes I guess you could trade in any advantage you have over other carriers in anticipation of being swallowed up by the status quo (AT&T.)  T-Mobile’s philosophy must now be who cares we’re getting out of here and taking the money back to Bonn suckas.  We don’t have to care anymore.

  • Anonymous

    Gosh! Can’t they make their mind already?

  • Why doesn’t tmo fix the throttling for good, then?

  • I remember when Three in the UK, 14 months into the contract changed from just cutting me off when I went over to charging me for every megabyte and not giving me any warning texts until I had gone up to £60 of overage, and then about 10 texts came in at once. Luckily they refunded it, but still. At least T-Mobile USA is giving warning, but it’s still I guess really annoying.

  • I remember when Three in the UK, 14 months into the contract changed from just cutting me off when I went over to charging me for every megabyte and not giving me any warning texts until I had gone up to £60 of overage, and then about 10 texts came in at once. Luckily they refunded it, but still. At least T-Mobile USA is giving warning, but it’s still I guess really annoying.

  • Ted P.

    I’m thinking the route “It’s MIchaelNotMike” took (bye TMO, hello prepaid) is looking better and better every day.

    • Armyhunter

      except for the fact that you are only able to use 18% of the towers accross the nation. Do you people think before you post or just throw a dumb comment out there hoping that you’ll have meaning on this earth. stop complaining. either sac up or shut up. be blessed you have a phone.

  • They really need to make up their minds on what position they want to play. Customers really don’t like the back and forth stance. Unlimited! ….wait…Throttled!…wait….Overages! Rock On ^_^ ….seriously guys?

    • The position they want to play is screw the customer. They first had to wait to get the customer before they could screw them.

      Now your locked into a contract so let the screwing begin.

  • Giraffe

    Looks like they found out that people on the 200MB no overage plan actually didn’t care whether or not their web was being throttled, and continued to burn through it. It’s not like the 2GB web is expensive, especially on the value plans…

    • It’s the point of it all. Do you have any idea how much bandwidth for tmobile costs? It’s a drop in the bucket compared to broadband and look what they charge us.

      My wireless tmobile “broadband” laptop stick with the “best” coverage and that “HS” or whatever logo on still only sees about the same as a slow dialup connection. If that’s their idea of broadband they might want to go back to the drawing board.

  • Giraffe

    Looks like they found out that people on the 200MB no overage plan actually didn’t care whether or not their web was being throttled, and continued to burn through it. It’s not like the 2GB web is expensive, especially on the value plans…

  • Paul N Mavini

    I use maybe 150mb per month on my mytouch 3g, so throttling me at 200 was perfect.  My 3g coverage is spotty enough I don’t live on my phone browser.  I seriously doubt the movies-on-your-phone freaks are abusing the edge network to any large degree, they just want the 200mb people to cave and buy a higher plan.

  • Paul N Mavini

    I use maybe 150mb per month on my mytouch 3g, so throttling me at 200 was perfect.  My 3g coverage is spotty enough I don’t live on my phone browser.  I seriously doubt the movies-on-your-phone freaks are abusing the edge network to any large degree, they just want the 200mb people to cave and buy a higher plan.

  • Anonymous

    so glad i switched over my 200mb data w/overage to the 200mb data w/throttling before it was too late. tmo is definitely on some bull$h!t.

  • Thompc82

    As a rep I know what there seeing, there seeing 50% of those 200mb customers in the “overage” category I’ve seen as 3gb used on a 200mb plan and when I told the guy he thought I was the idiot for offering him 2gb for 10$ more just so he wouldnt be slowed as fast Also remember the 1million iPhone users do your think any of them actually have have a plan higher than 200mb when they are already stuck with edge speed only.

  • Thompc82

    As a rep I know what there seeing, there seeing 50% of those 200mb customers in the “overage” category I’ve seen as 3gb used on a 200mb plan and when I told the guy he thought I was the idiot for offering him 2gb for 10$ more just so he wouldnt be slowed as fast Also remember the 1million iPhone users do your think any of them actually have have a plan higher than 200mb when they are already stuck with edge speed only.

  • Gotta love paying for bandwidth you will never use. I have the 2gb plan on my rocket stick and I never use half of that. I would be more than happy with devoting my 1/2 that I do not use to those on the 200MB plan that use 400MB or even more.

    It’s a two-way street tmobile you can’t charge one person for not using their device and then overcharge the next who may use a little bit more.

    When does it work both ways?

  • Sam Emb

    200MB sucks, well because i got message from T-mobile saying that “you have used your 200MB of data” after five days…. when i didn’t use it at all. i am so pissed off now.. L

    • Cindytran9696

      I had the same issue and called them and they say “you did use it”,  I argue with them for 2 hours and they still ending up charging me and say they won’t do anything about it because i’m probably lying about the usuages.  I’ve never beenData Charge unauthorized!so pissed off with tmobile and this really got me rethink about switching immediately after my contract are up for the way i was treated.  It’s like being raped by them with force.  I never use nor agree on data usuage.  esp, from the beginning i also told them to block all “data” usuage and they say they will and yet this shit happen!  F*** tmobile is sucking badly now!

  • adds cls

    really slow speeds with virgin

  • adds cls

    really slow speeds with virgin

  • adds cls

    really slow speeds with virgin

  • Theweeding

    T-mobile, please do not charge us when we use Wifi at home…it is not make sense that we have access at home and you guys charge us. PLEASE STOP IT. DO NOT RIP OFF YOUR CUSTOMER like that.

    To Whom May i Concern,

    Please stop the T- Mobile’s rip off now. They are trying to rip off us now.

    • Anonymous

      They don’t charge for WIFI but your phone is using data on the network.  Learn to set up your phone to only work on WIFI and you wouldn’t have that problem.

      • o o

        NOT TRUE MR. T-MOBILE. WHEN YOU ARE NOT USING WIFI OR IF YOU DON’T USE IT, THEIR DATA WILL COME THROUGH AND THAT INCLUDES WALKING OUT OF THE HOUSE. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU, MOMMY AND DADDY DID NOT TEACH YOU RIGHT FROM WRONG. I OWN A COMPANY, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IT IF I STARTED CHARGING YOU FOR SERVICES YOU NEVER ASKED FOR OR WANTED. DO YOU GET IT? NO, BECAUSE THEY PAY YOU TO BE HERE.

        • Theweeding

          Thank you for your voice here O O… You are right, the system WIFI from the T-mobile haven’t asked you for the service before they charge us. I have FINED 10 dollars for my stuppid HTC HD7 for this month just because I didn’t know how to prevent the T-mobile’s Wifi hacked to my SMART PHONE HTC HD7…it is my first SMARTPHONE
          I called them, and they said that it is new policy now…whatever Wifi I using (stabuck, @home:disqus ,….) they will charge for a fee. I screamed because T-mobile is controlling my Smartphone HTC HD7. I was so scared, I took my Simcard out of HTC and put back to my old phone…I have to deal with T-mobile by connecting DATA 10 dollars/month instead of 12 dollar/6MB (they charged me 1.99/1MB)……….Totally, I paid them 10 dollars / 6MB for this month

          it took me 2 weeks to find out how to block the T-mobile HACKER. Wagner talked for T-mobile, but he doesn’t show how to do it.

          This is a tip for people who is use HTC HD7
          go to SETTING—CELLULAR —turn off DATA CONNECTION and 3G CONNECTION

        • Anonymous

          I’m getting paid to post?  You’re just an anonymous idiot who doesn’t have a clue about how data works on their phones or how to manage their connections.  They don’t charge you for WIFI, period.  There are tons of customer that use only WIFI and don’t get charged, unless you have a conspiracy theory that they are only targeting you.

        • Ryan

          Even though you are on Wi-FI your phone still can send some data through the cellular network.  I don’t know what kind of phone you have, but most smartphones transmit small amounts of data in the background, usually at intervals.  It doesn’t matter if you are on Wi-Fi.  You can try to turn off syncing services and diagnostic data but the only sure way is to turn of cellular data.
          Most smartphones I have used come with these features enabled by default.  

  • Data Charge unauthorized!

    TMOBILE start to sucks!  they charge me for “data usuage” although, i did not use it at all!  My 2 other line uses wi-fi connection via their SP and was charge over $100 each line!  What kind of sense is this Tmobile.  I’ve been over 10 years and counting but, it seems like if they charge me again  next month for usuage I did not agree upon I will find a lawyer to sue their ass for ripping me off!  One time is enough, I will not take it again and let them rip me off on my hard earning $$!  Tmobile get your act together because you are just pissing your customer off and soon you won’t have many left!  I’m one and million more will walk out on you!

    • Anonymous

      BS, the most that is charged for data is a maximum of $50 per line, no more.  If you had data usage then your phone was accessing the network.  They can’t tell if you are using WIFI but they can definitely tell when your phone is using their data network.  If you’re not going to use their data then why didn’t you turn off the data on the phone to begin with?

      • o o

        WAGNER, YOU MUST BE AN EMPLOYEE BECAUSE YOU COME OFF AS ONE
        WHAT T MOBILE IS DOING IS UNETHICAL. IF YOU DON’T WANT THE SERVICE AND HAVE NOT HAD THE SERVICE YOU SHOULD NOT BE AUTOMATICALLY CHARGED FOR IT. WHY DON’T YOU GET A BRAIN OR BETTER YET, SOME MORALS.

        • Anonymous

          So people that don’t have a texting plan should automatically have their texts blocked because they don’t have a texting plan.  I didn’t have a texting plan for years because I only texted maybe 10 times a month.  If you don’t have the feature then don’t use it.  It’s the same if you don’t have an international calling plan then you can still calling internationally.  Didn’t know T-mobile had to babysit customer’s behaviors

        • Listcr

          Can you access to pay per view it you don’t order it. TMO sucks

  • o o

    ANY OF YOU WHO DONT WANT WHAT T MOBILE IS FORCING UPON US, YOU CAN CALL THEM AND MAKE THEM STOP AND THEY WILL TAKE OFF THE CHARGES. THIS SHOULD GO TO THE FCC. THANK YOU T MOBILE, YOU ARE NOW NO BETTER THAN THE OTHERS. I AM NOW GOING TO SHOP MY PLAN.

  • how can you cancel it? it’s annoying..