Rumored Project Dark Pricing

Project Dark, we have high hopes for you and we sure hope this is enough to catapult you into the good graces of the wireless deities.

I know what you all want and we are prepared to deliver. We’re putting this in the rumor column at this point but we’re pretty confident on this pricing. You’re going to skip right past anything else I write so here is what we know:

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  • Annonymous

    I work for Tmobile and those price plans are the real deal, I just received the new brochures in the store and just locked them up until they launch on the 25th…

  • http://www.twitter.com/DtheArtist Dave

    I don’t think it’s fair that people without contracts plans are WAYY less than people with contracts. I really love the Unlimited Loyalty plan from T-Mobile (Which I have, on Family Plan), but what about people who have a contract, and didn’t have T-Mobile for 4+ years, that couldn’t quality for the unlimited loyalty plan. That’s BS. People paying good money for contract phones, and their giving cheapers plans out for non-contract plans. I know they have to pay full price/more for the phone, but so what, they get monthly financing for that. NOT FAIR T-MOBILE, NOT FAIR @ ALL!

    What they should do is go down on the date plans. $25 for unlimited data & text add on, and like $20 for unlimited data w/ 400 text or something. I mean come on! and taxes are out the ass, let’s be reasonable.

  • Annonymous

    It is cheaper… Individual right now is 30,40,50,60,100 only the 100 includes messaging plus 25 or 35 for internet in most cases, so that comes out to be 125-135 plus tax… 25-35 more per month than these new ones…

    Family is alot cheaper with these than before… for instance unlimited family now is 150 plus 50 per line after the 2nd plus separate internet per line… The new plan is 179 and only 10 per line after the 2nd and the plan includes internet for all line on the account… so 5 lines for 179 + 30 = 209 plus tax… with current plan its 150(plan 1st 2 lines) + 150(for other 3 lines) + atleast 25 per line for internet so 125 =425 for a family of five with unlimited everything including internet… So im not sure what u mean more expensive than the original plan because your saving over $200

  • Chaos4all

    I actually think these will be the “published” plans but when Sunday comes they will throw in a twist like any customer signing a 2yr contract can still get the Even more plus (no contract) plans as a promotional offer and run that threw the Holiday’s. Now of course this would take some marketing savvy to come up with and we all know T-Mobile lacks in that department. But if you could get unlimited everything for 79.99 and a discounted phone, that would be pretty good. Only if T-Mobile actually runs an ad that tells people that, instead of a bunch of old Saturday night live characters handing around a phone and telling people nothing. lol

  • Garbage

    I’ve got a family plan with 1000 shared minutes, MyFaves, mobile to mobile, and family texting plan for $59.99 a month. If the rates posted above are correct I’d lose 250 minutes, lose the MyFaves, gain nights and weekends and have to pay an extra $10.00 a month. That doesn’t sound like a winner to me. Maybe TMobile just doesn’t know how to provide value any more.

  • Dave

    wow……….. it sucks…

  • Dave

    i wonder how these plans are going to boost them up to #3 spot….. i just don’t see it…

  • watbetch

    If you just get the 79.99 unlimited talk you don’t need MyFaves. Duh

  • rossi

    @ Annonymous

    Can you confirm that each additional line is only $10 more on the new unlimited family plans? If so I will be happy. For some reason I am willing to guess that it will still be $50 per additional line. In which case, I will not be overjoyed. I would have to ask again… where is the middle ground? 1500 minutes isn’t going to cut it for us without myfaves, and $50 per additional line will result in us paying twice our current bill. Sure, we could stay on our current plan, but what about the new customers?

    btw, I just got off the phone with a Customer service rep who denied that myfaves plans would be gone next week. Before some of you get in a huff, I called to add minutes to my current myfaves plan (not to bother her about all of this), and she actually advised me against that because our current usage does not warrant the move. (She really pushed the family allowances which seems like that should be a free service anyway… but whatever)

  • BobBruff

    @ Annonymous
    I’m looking at getting on contract so I can get a subsidized price on a phone…I need a new one really badly. Right now I pay $80/mo for 750 minutes plus MyFaves on 2 lines plus $20/line/mo for the Blackberry addon. This equals $120/mo before taxes. We don’t do texting, but we use a lot of data. Without the MyFaves we would need at least 1000 minutes. What am I looking at with the new plans if I get on contract? $80/mo for 1500 minutes plus $30/line/mo for web for smartphones totaling $140/mo. That’s $20 more a month than I pay now and $10/mo more than I’d pay if I switch to Sprint, but I’d also get messaging included by switching even though that’s not a factor for me.
    If I go for the no contract plans I could save $10/month, but how much am I going to have to pay for new phones? I bet 2 phones will cost me more than the $10/mo I’ll be saving.

  • watbetch

    or 99.99 if you’re contracted – Or 79 for more of everything.

  • Annonymous

    @BobBruff:

    You were correct it would be 140 for unlimited everything on the even more plan… Now you said you dnt txt so you should be able to do the 750 minutes for 60 plus 60 for 2 smrtphone web packages so it would come out to be 120,but if the phones arent smartphones then web is only $10 so your looking at what I imagine would be 80 for 750 minutes plus web for both phones or if you paid 80 for talk/txt add the 20 to total 100 if you have phones that dnt require a data plan… Phone wise, I am not sure what you be paying because I am not sure what phones you would be purchasing and Tmobile is releasing all sorts of new phones in November… Im not sure how the Even More Plus works yet so I do not want to speak on that right until I get further clarification on those plans, but I agree it seems to be slightly unfair at the moment until I find out more I am not going to complain…

  • Dan

    Ok – this may force me to go to Sprint.
    Under the old (current) rules, I can get my 700 shared minutes for $60, 300 min/ line for another $10, and unlimited data for both lines for $50.
    That’s $120/mo, and it’s still more than I need.

    Under the new rules, the best I can do is $140?!?! That’s $10 MORE than Sprint’s unlimited EVRYTHING plan!

    Oh sure, I can just drop the contract, and pay only $110/mo, but then I have to get a new phone number, right? Or at the very least, I need to pony up like $500/phone.
    I dunno guys, but Pre and Hero are starting to look pretty intriguing over at Sprint…

  • Dan

    ^meant to say 300 msgs/line for $10

  • watbetch

    Hopefully you all know you can keep your current plans if you want.

  • alex

    @anonymous, Can you confirm that the extra family lines are really $10? Is that price the same for lines that are on unlimited minutes and lines that are on 750/1500 minute plans

  • Annonymous

    You can keep your number too as far as I have been told, it’s still only thursday so we still have until sunday until everything is straightened out, so wait until sunday when there is definite explanations of everything…

  • bob

    this blows…

  • z

    What about plans that are not on contract? Will I be able to keep exactly what i have now that is not a contract plan? What if I want to buy a new phone from T-Mo?

  • Matthew

    What I want to know is how much is it going to be to add a line if I have the new family unlimited plan.
    I currently have the loyalty unlimited plan with 5 lines, sothat is $50 plus $40×4 = $210, then I add family messaging for $20. That’s $230 and then a couple lines have data plans… $40 per additional line is a bit steap, plus it doesnt include internet.

  • M3M0R13S

    I am so disappointed with T-Mobile, AGAIN! If they don’t bring better phone selections(N900 & HD2)I will be jumping to a another carrier. Think I’m bluffing watch me…

  • akil

    i’ve looked at this post several times and upon looking at these prices i cant help feeling they have been doctored a bit. looking at the top sheet in certain areas of the prices you can see they are darker as if they were either traced over or changed in photoshop.

    maybe im wrong but you can add that to BoBruff’s conspiracy theory LOL

  • Matthew

    I’m with you man… These plans are rather lackluster. They shouldn’t be trying to barely beat the competition, but rather totally destroy them!

  • Annonymous

    @Matthew:
    You would want to switch to the new unl fam for 179 plus 30 for the 3 additional lines so would be paying 209 a month which includes talt/txt/web… Your a perfect example of someone who would be saving alot of money… These plans are correct I have the brochures in my store right now…

  • RWWackoStu

    I was sure hopiong that the new plans would give be the flexability in my finances to finally add data to our BB’s. I have a two line family plan, 700/59.99 plus 2 4.99 texting plans. I cant yet justify the price for data (another 50.00 to 60.00) when I have wifi at hoome and use that for my data. Sucks when I am away from home, however. I was really hoping that this would amount to being able to have an all in family plan for about $100.00. I really hope TMO proves us all wrong on Oct 25th, but my gut tells me no.

  • RWWackoStu

    Anon, any magic you could work with my numbers from above?

  • alex

    Anonymous, this is great news. The only thing is everyone is kind of cautious to believe some things because of how big this thing was blown up to be before. Is there any chance you can get some pics of the brochures uploaded?

  • rossi

    @ annonymous

    Are you sure it’s $10 for additional unlimited lines?

  • Jackie

    akil says: I’ve looked at this post several times and upon looking at these prices i cant help feeling they have been doctored

    agreed..when no contract text and talk costs 69.99 adding unlimited smartphone web would be 25 more for a total of 94.99..not 40.00 more and a total of 109.99 as shown on the no contract. it does not make sense. Bet those are doctored pictures for sure.

  • Stupido

    There is nothing cheaper about this, not for me anyway. I have 600 minutes of talk, unlimited text and data. To get something similar, it will cost me the exact same amount (actually, I’d be losing 100 minutes!).

    I really don’t get it.

  • Stupido

    Or does “Unlimited data for smartphones” inlude unlimimted texts? That might make a difference, but not much.

  • Bob

    All the people that are going! WOW! $80 a month plus tax for everything (without a contract) fail to add that you have to pay full price for your phone…RETAIL which is usually about $400 by T-mobile pricing and over two years that is roughly $18 a month…so you are really paying $98 for everything PLUS tax (Sprint is giving it all for $99 a month and they subsidize their phones!). This is T-mo’s BEST posted plan for EVERYTHING! Please don’t post that GEE..it’s only $80! That is if you don’t ever plan to buy a phone from tmobile. Everyone has to buy a new phone if they want 3g (all the old blackberries are not 3g) which will break their old contracts and force the new price structure.

  • juanes

    @bob if youre calculating it that way then tmobile would be charging 98 a month which is still cheaper than sprints plan and youre not paying for the phone. (since you included it in the monthly price) tmobile still comes out on top

  • Matthew

    @bob
    Yeah, but you still have to pay at least $100 to $200 or more dollars for a phone at Sprint. Even if you include $18 dollars a month with T-Mobile, it is still cheaper!

    @Annonymous
    Thanks! This would indeed be perfect for me, If I can add an line for only $10 on the family unlimited plan!

  • Tony

    Wow, not only is this true but it’s going to cripple any plans for rapidly increasing new customer growth. It’s obvious the Tmo decision makers have officially run out of ideas. DT will be cleaning house in January Im calling it right now. The only game changing these rate plans are going to do is scare potential new customer away to other carriers.

    1.Your increasing minutes but getting rid of my faves? So the rate plans are actually worse.
    2.Your rewarding people who sign up for month to month service with better rate plans and charging people who want to sign contracts more money every month? Oh and they can pay the hanset price broken up over a few bills. Yeah that wont cost you guys any money or screw the dealers who bring in most of your new customers anyway because you guys dont like to open up corp store locations.
    3.It would actually cost current customers more money to switch to these rate plans.

    By launching these new rate plans with some new handset’s this is how your going to propel you guys past sprint? So much potential wasted with this company.

    Here let me give you guys a clue.

    1. Increase your voice coverage in rural areas! It’s 2009 you have 30 plus million customers and people still get crappy reception outside any major city or town. You make billions of dollars in profit each quarter and you cant build some more cell towers? The loyal customers put up with the crappy reception before when rate plans were affordable now what are you goin to do?

    2. Learn how to market your own products and service. When you have bloggers with better marketing ideas then what your paying your big guns to do then you have a problem.

    Something isn’t adding up with these new changes….time will tell..but I’ve been in this business a long time and the future does not look good in my opinion..but what do i know.

  • juanes

    @anon please read the brochures more carefully before leaking false info. additional lines for unlim are NOT $10. its 5$ to add a line to pooled fam plans on even more plus and remains $10 on the even more plans. im not 100% sure about what the add a line cost for unl family plans but i can tell you 100% its not $10

  • craig

    @annonymous, please one more time and help me, I have 5 lines on my account and only one of them I would have internet (G1) so what would my total be? You can also email me at craibailey@gmail.com

  • hi!

    man, so many of you people are KILLING me…how stupid are you?

    Everyone that is whining about the non-contract prices being lower…stop and think about it for a second. The prices aren’t really lower. Keep in mind these non-contract people will be paying for phones ($500 phones) broken down into 20 months (so essentially a 20 month contract). 500 dollars divided by the 20 months they’ll be paying it off is $25.

    Therefore! When you read any of the non-contract prices you need to add $25 dollars to them. Make sense? So when you’re like, “oh man! people OFF contract can get unlimited everything for $79.99 like Sprint, this sucks!” you need to take into account that NO…they will be paying the 79.99 PLUS the 25 A MONTH FOR THE PHONE. So they’ll be getting unlimited everything for $105.

    Now can you stop complaining? Doesn’t look like they’re getting such a sweet/cheap price for being out of contract now does it? Yes another way of looking at this exact scenario is that they’ll be getting that plan for $105 a month..OR $25 MORE THAN SPRINT CURRENTLY OFFERS!!!! (not to mention they have the Hero AND the pre….revolutionary phones)

  • juanes

    also to clarify you do NOT have to change your numbers if you want to switch to even more plus… david needs to create a thread in the forums called “ask someone who actually knows whats going on.”

  • babaganush

    screw this im switching to sprint

  • hi!

    correct….you WILL NOT have to change your number.

    BUT, when you go to get a new phone in the coming days, weeks, months, years. you WILL have to “upgrade” to one of these new craptastic plans.

    You know what the absolute best part is? Remember when the tmonews dude didn’t wanna leak this stuff and got all emo about it. It’s the biggest (flop) in TMbobile history and I don’t wanna ruin it, whaaaa whaaaa! HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Bob

    For those who commented that Tmo is still less than Sprint for me with the new structure. NO..the new structure is more expensive for me. I have a blackberry 8900 (NO 3G!!phone) and Pay $90 a month NOW for everything and I get subsidized phones!(at least for 1 more week until this plan Rolls out). I wanted to buy the new Blackberry 9700 (odd they never mention price..this is why). But if I buy a subsidized phone! this would force me to except the new price structure AND so as an old customer who has been loyal to Tmo…my monthly price go UP $20. I’ve dealt with less than perfect reception and no 3g for a long time….NOW what do I get? a price hike…

    Thanks T-mobile! Kisses and Hugs;)!

    PS. At least Sprint is working on 4G network and you would be surprised who will pay $10 more a month just because they get pissed at a company! AND I’m one of them…Sprint DOES have better 3g coverage by far! Yes, customer service I hear sucks but Tmo just missed the boat on this….

  • juanes

    last time i checked sprints simply everything plan was 99.99 (which is required for those “revolutionary” phones) so 100×24 + 200 = 2600 the cost of it over 2 years. under tmobile youd pay 80×24+500= 2420. am i missing something?

  • willy

    @rossi yea its a few bucks cheaper than sprints but sprint has way better coverage

  • juanes

    when you upgrade your phone youre not required to change your rate plan so i dont know where youre hearing that from.

  • BobBruff

    So, when I signed up w/ TMO almost 2 years ago their plans were really cheap, but since then Sprints plans have gotten a lot better. It doesn’t make sense for TMO to counteract that with plans that are sort of better for some people and worse for others. There’s got to be something missing…

  • Annonymous

    RWWackoStu:
    You would be lookin at 140/month if you went with the family 750 with unl web/txt or if u didnt want txt then it would be 120 for talk/web…

    Yes to those who have asked the amount of add on line… It IS $10 a line after the first 2… I looked and relooked and quadruple checked cuz thats a savings of $40 per extra line for unl fam on the new plans…

    179 fam unl plus say 3 add on line is 209 and that includes web n txt pretty good deal if you ask me, no other company can compete with that…

  • Wagonis

    QUick question, and I don’t know if anyone has asked this already, but what if I bring my own phones? Lets say I already have 2 T-Mobile branded phones, can I just bring them and sign up for the no contract plan?

  • alex

    Juanes, how do you know it is $5 to add a line to the 750/1500 min fam plans? Is it also $5 for adding a line to say a 1500 minute w/ unlimited text and data?

  • alex

    @Wagonis – yes

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