Binge On will let T-Mobile customers stream video without using their high-speed data allotment

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UPDATE: One note about Binge On and Data Stash is that if you want to use Binge On, a 20GB limit will be imposed on your Data Stash. If having an unlimited Data Stash is more important than Binge On’s free video streaming, you can opt out of the 20GB Data Stash limit here. Thanks to Chuck E Cheese and @madhatman for the heads-up!

 

Un-carrier X is official, and it’s called Binge On. Think of Binge On like Music Freedom for video, because it lets you stream video without using your high-speed data allotment.

Binge On will support 24 video services at launch, including Netflix, WatchESPN, HBO Go, and HBO Now. Binge On even includes Go90 and DirecTV, which are owned by Verizon and AT&T, respectively. T-Mo says that more services are on the way, adding that it’s in discussions with Google about adding YouTube and that it’ll work with any other partners that want to join Binge On. Here’s the full list of services that’ll be supported by Binge On at launch:

  • Crackle
  • DirecTV
  • Encore
  • ESPN
  • Fox Sports
  • Fox Sports Go
  • Go90
  • HBO Now
  • HBO Go
  • Hulu
  • MLB
  • Movieplex
  • NBC Sports
  • Netflix
  • Sling TV
  • Sling Box
  • SHOWTIME
  • STARZ
  • T-Mobile TV
  • Univision Deportes
  • Ustream
  • Vessel
  • Vevo
  • VUDU

With Binge On, video will stream at “DVD quality (480p+).” T-Mobile says that it’s using proprietary technology to optimize streaming video for mobile screens, and as a result, users can watch “up to three times” more video on services that aren’t yet included with Binge On. If you’d prefer to watch video without T-Mobile’s Binge On optimization tech, like if you want to beam video to a TV and you want higher-quality video, you’ll be able to flip a switch in your account and turn the feature off.

Binge On is available to all customers with a data plan of 3GB or higher. It’ll be available to customers on Simple Choice Amped plans starting November 15, and everyone else will get it on November 19. To celebrate the launch of Binge On, T-Mobile is partnering with Sling TV to give Simple Choice customers 30 percent off a 1 year subscription to Sling’s “Best of Live TV” service, which regularly costs $20 per month and includes channels like ESPN, ESPN2, AMC, Food Network, A&E, TNT, History Channel, Travel Channel, Cartoon Network, and more.

Unlimited data subscribers, you’re getting something special, too. Magenta is teaming up with VUDU to give unlimited 4G LTE customers a free VUDU movie rental each month of 2016.

Binge On is definitely a big move for T-Mobile, which is probably why it got its own Un-carrier event today. Obviously there are some big names missing from the service, most notably YouTube, but T-Mobile did add services to Music Freedom as time went on, so we’ll have to wait and see if that’ll be the case with Binge On, too. As with Music Freedom, though, there are net neutrality concerns with Binge On, with some folks concerned that it could give T-Mobile the power to decide whether or not particular services get used by consumers. Some consumers might avoid using a service if it’s not in Binge On because it’ll use up their limited data allotment. For it’s part, T-Mobile argues that Binge On isn’t a net neutrality issue because it’s free, consumers have the ability to turn Binge On on and off, and it says that it’ll work with anyone that wants to be a part of Binge On.

So now that it’s official, what do you think of Binge On? Excited to watch more shows on the go? Think that it is a net neutrality issue, despite T-Mo’s claims?

Source: T-Mobile

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  • Where’s YouTube?

    • Chris Drudge

      Same place RedTube is. Not on the list.

    • Brad

      Don’t forget: it took a while for google play music to be certified… I imagine it’s a similar situation.

      • Android_God

        The quality will be gimped so I wonder if that is part of the problem. I realize you can easily shut off Binge but perhaps Google wasn’t ok with 480P or the proprietary system of data compression? I would find it hard to believe that T-Mobile didn’t go to Google as one of the first companies to pitch this to.

        • Brad

          They may have… google might drag their feet on these things. I was having a dickens of a time figuring out why you’d want to turn off binge, though, til I saw the 480p stuff. Wondering what chromecast is gonna do.

        • Android_God

          I LOVE your use of,”dickens of a time”!!!!

  • Bruce Wayne

    YouTube is needed.

  • Bryan Pizzuti

    Google Play Movies and TV is needed.

  • dontsh00tmesanta

    YouTube for kids on tablets lol

  • williejackbrainer

    Just curious as to how this is going to really play out. I read an article about Comcast charging it’s customer an additional charge for exceeding 300gb.

    • steveb944

      Comcast is allowing their own services to be unlimited, while T-Mobile doesn’t directly benefit from this as their T-Mobile TV was already unlimited.

  • PC_Tool

    The other services will come online. They just need to get set up. This will be like Music Freedom – Any legal/licensed streaming provider will be able to work with T-Mobile to get added.

  • Bill

    If T-Mobile does this with YouTube, we will probably experience sluggish data speeds.

    • hristopelov

      netflix takes 30-35% of all internet traffic in US.. ALL, not just video, so i think they added the more data consuming service, youtube should follow.. i hope

    • Most of the popular YouTube videos will be available with Binge On because Vevo hosts two-thirds (at the time of writing) of the top 100 YouTube videos.

  • peharri

    Missing, Amazon, Google Play and Youtube. Still, it’s not a bad selection by any means (and I wonder if the absence of Amazon is due to Amazon themselves doing something as they’ve been playing control freak rather a lot lately)

    • gpt2010

      I agree. I love shopping on Amazon but they are controlling with other vendors that are in direct competition.

    • Xbox Video (now Movies and TV) is missing as well.

    • The availability of Vevo, if that’s what you’re into, will make two-thirds (at the time of writing) of the top 100 YouTube videos available with Binge On. I don’t like a lot of Vevo artists, but there’s a large enough répertoire to find something that I do enjoy.

    • disqus_DFnvXJ7c9h

      no idea why Amazon Video wasn’t included. Netflix and Hulu use Amazon data services to host their content!

  • Do anyone know if NBC Sports Extra is among the apps that are part of Binge On?

  • Rene Shabastari

    Netflix
    HBO NOW
    HBO GO
    Hulu
    Sling TV
    Sling Box
    ESPN
    Showtime
    Starz
    Movieplex
    Encore
    T-Mobile TV
    Vevo
    Vessel
    Univision Deportes
    Major League Baseball
    Go90
    DirecTV
    Fox Sports
    Fox Sports GO
    NBC Sports
    Crackle
    VUDU
    Ustream

  • hristopelov

    Netflix accounts for more than 30% of ALL internet traffic.. we should get youtube added, then my $30 monthly plan will realy rock :)

    • theseanteam

      Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I don’t believe the $30 plans are covered by this unless you are referring to an add-a-line to a simple choice plan.

  • justanormalguy13

    I didn’t catch it, does this include tablets too?

  • mingkee

    I realize these are subscription-based video service though I have Netflix.
    This may not big for me as I have grandfathered $20 unlimited. However, it may benefit my $10 5GB Data Match.

  • Bryan Pizzuti

    This is probably much more than just signing an agreement. I bet T-Mobile is requiring a direct, private network link between T-Mo and their datacenters in order to offer this.

  • billybob

    so will binge on work on unlocked phones … or will the phones need to be T-Mobile certified?

  • not a fan of this move

    Am I the only who doesn’t like this move??? As T-mobile continues to grow by adding more and more customers, the data capacity takes a toll…and now allowing millions of users to stream for free, imagine the impact this will have on the network! In theory sounds nice, but I’m concerned on the capacity toll…T-mobile already offers great amounts of data, as well as providing an unlimited option, so I don’t think this move is needed as it will ultimately have an impact on capacity which will translate in congestion and slower speeds…not happy with this move…

    • kev2684

      having everyone automatically signed up for BingeON means all those people streaming at 720p or 1080p will now be streaming at 480p. it will use less data than before giving back capacity on their towers. unless customers are aware of this change, it will actually help T-Mobile.

      • Fabian Cortez

        “480p+” per T-Mobile.

    • I suspect that their “watch 3X more video” initiative is a compression technology where video is now one-third of its original size in bytes. Plus, as kev2684 points out, it’s only available on ~480p. I see the file size (audio and video) is 116 KB/s or about 0.933 Mbit/s for a Rachael Lampa video, which may now be under ⅓ Mbit/s with Binge On. In other words, this should improve speeds, not bog ’em down. :-)

    • theseanteam

      You might not be the only one who doesn’t like the move, but it doesn’t mean your assumptions are correct.

      T-Mobile is a business of adding customers–if they dod not continue to add customers, they will ultimately fail. Only someone so short sighted and selfish would be against T-Mobile improving their offering to attract more customers.

      Considering all the great things T-Mobile has done so far, one would hope that as they continue to build their base, they continue to add more capacity to keep that base happy. Because they are no contract and they have their Lifetime Satisfaction Guarantee, people are free to leave if they become dissatisfied. It is up to Legere and the rest of the T-Mobile team to make sure their customers are happy–and that includes data speeds and coverage.

      Finally, by getting customers, both new and old to stream lower resolution video, they may actually be reducing their load. No different than with Music Freedom. So it might be more people, streaming more content, more often, but the weight of each stream would be less and in the long run make the system more efficient.

      I’m not an expert by any means, but I did not see any noticeable negative changes when Music Freedom was released in my area, although your area could be different. With the acquisition of more spectrum and improving their back haul, I could see speeds and coverage only increasing in the long run…

  • Jay

    I see most ppl don’t see this as a good move. Not only is free streaming (i have unlimited) but seem like they will be reencoding the content to a different format less data better quality such as H264

    • theseanteam

      Unlimited folks got double tethering. And you can still stream in any resolution you want–just turn off Binge on your line.

  • TatDude806

    According to the Consumerist (http://consumerist.com/2015/11/10/t-mobile-unveils-free-video-streaming-for-two-dozen-services-doubles-data-plans/)
    YouTube was not included for technical reasons… I call bull on that. I watch TONS of YouTube and what it boils down to is that YT does eat data, probably more than most of the services they will support. If they really wanted to do it they could have. I would have been happy with Hulu, Netflix and Youtube only… *Sigh*

  • Erik Knudsen

    T-Mobile continues to hate net neutrality

    • Justin Bailey

      Binge On is open to any video streaming service.

    • Fabian Cortez

      T-Mobile continues to hate net neutrality

      Oh stop it.

      You’re throwing around buzz words without understanding.

      Do you have any proof that this violates net neutrality?

      • Erik Knudsen

        yes, my proof it tmobiles own words. treating data from different services in different ways is a blatant violation of net neutrality. that’s just plain and simple.

        • Fabian Cortez

          It’s not that simple. If so, then T-Mobile’s Music Freedom, which many railed for being anti Net Neutrality, would have been taken to task.

          Except it hasn’t and is not a violation of net neutrality.

        • Erik Knudsen

          it certainly is anti net neutrality as well. treating any kind of data differently is the very definition of anti net neutrality.

        • Fabian Cortez

          You understand how this works, right?

          Now provide proof of your claim.

        • Erik Knudsen

          understand how what works?

          proof of which claim?

          https://www.google.com/search?q=net+neutrality&oq=net+ne&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l5.3072j1j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=91&ie=UTF-8#q=define+net+neutrality

          that is the definition of net neutrality. here’s the important part: “without favoring or blocking particular products or websites.”

          either everything counts or everything doesn’t count, that is how that works. by picking and choosing what counts against data and what doesn’t, that is exactly the opposite of the definition of net neutrality. period.

  • Keep in mind, this is somewhat of a defensive or tit for tat play against ATT and their acquisition of DirecTV. Whereas ATT Wireless subscribers can stream DirecTV content.

  • Android_God

    Who binge watches on a phone or tablet? I LOVE how this isn’t available to those of us on the base tier. That’s real un-carrier. And their TOTAL BULL$HIT excuse as to why they didn’t make this available on the base tier.

    And then saying how they threw this together quickly as an excuse for why YouTube isn’t aboard yet. 10 minutes prior to that he said they were working on this for awhile.

    Despite John’s expert use of smoke and mirrors that was great that they doubled data on all the plans. He’s really a great pitchman.

    • Justin Bailey

      Dude, pay the extra 10 bucks/month and upgrade your plan if you’re that concerned. It’s freaking unlimited streaming.

      And I may be wrong, but the plan you’re on you’re not actually paying for any data. T-Mobile is giving you that gig or two out of the goodness of their hearts.

      Also, getting Youtube included is on Youtube. They have to be willing to work with T-Mobile to get their videos compressed.

      • Android_God

        Dude, like why would I pay $120 a year more to enjoy gimped quality videos? Dude!! This is very un un-carrier to not give this to the base tier. He’s a pitchman and a smoke and mirrors pro!

        • Justin Bailey

          Why would you pay more? To get the perk you want. It’s a simple answer.

          Don’t want to pay to get up to the qualifying data threshold? Don’t complain.

        • Android_God

          Dude stop drinking the Kool-Aid! This is very un un-carrier to not extend this to the base tier.

        • Fabian Cortez

          Dude stop drinking the Kool-Aid! This is very un un-carrier to not extend this to the base tier.

          Thus making it carrier.

          I guess you expect something for nothing; stop being cheap.

          But if it’s very “un un-carrier,” thus making it carrier, then maybe you should vote with your wallet and head over to one of the other three carriers that provide you with “better” benefits.

        • thebone

          John Legere made a comment at one point during the live event in regards to shareholders that “we’re not that stupid”. As an employee , I immediately had a concern when there was rumors of “free video streaming” that everybody would be asking for lower tiered plans if it wasn’t going to count against your high speed bucket. If they included it in base plans they would hemorrhage money. 7 out of 10 accounts I see that have the 1GB base plan have used more than 1GB and are throttled. It’s very difficult from my perspective to understand why a majority of these customers don’t see the value their given for an additional $10 to get 3GB (right now) , soon to be $15 for 6GB.

          1) You get a bonus 10GB of data stash (that’s 10 months worth of your current dataplan)
          2) You get data rollover (up to a year, not monthly like AT&T)
          3) You get music freedom (insane amount of music content providers don’t count against your high speed data.
          4) Now BINGE ON. Unlimited video from 24 providers even if you TETHER. If you’re okay with the slightly reduced quality you could just buy MHL/Lightning to HDMI or WiFi Tether your smart TV that most of them have these providers as “apps” and it won’t use your data!

          All of this for $15. It boggles my mind how a lot of people just don’t simply fork up, and are okay with throttled 2G data on their $700 smart phone they took for $0 down and are paying $25-30 a month for, and the biggest reason I get is “I have WiFi everywhere” “I have Wifi at home” If it was everywhere T-Mobile wouldn’t be doing this, and Verizon and AT&T wouldn’t be making BILLIONS from overages. If you have WiFi at home, chances are you have a laptop, or a tablet you use, because you’re home. So you’re paying the Internet company $50+ a month for one spot usage and not just $10-15 to get it everywhere then? I don’t know where some of these people live that “wifi is everywhere” because if I check under Wifi on my iPad, there’s like 20 access points, all LOCKED.

          (On my Time Warner Cable home internet plan my girlfriend and I average 300gb a month and this mainly comes from Netflix! If I was okay with the 480p+ quality I would save $120 a month letting go of Internet and Digital Cable) because of the benefits T-Mobile provides all for a minimum of $15 more than the base plan.

          “Cheap” or “Budget focused” customers who DONT want to pay the extra because they don’t need it aren’t understanding the use cases that can either SAVE them money, or help them get the MOST out of their mobile device that’s costing them half of their service plan a month. Everything is going MOBILE now, TV / HOME internet is becoming a thing of the past.

          Pay $120-200/mo for Internet 30Mbit+ access for all your wired and wifi devices, with tons of TV channels and DVR at HOME to your internet/tv provider.

          Or pay T-Mobile $95 (before phone cost) to get the same thing, but EVERYWHERE.
          If you do this by November 14th, you’d get it for $80.

          Hopefully some people see my point.

        • theseanteam

          Seems ironic that the “Android God” is on the base tier.

    • Logan S

      Total bull$hit for what? They didn’t have to make it available at all.

      • Fabian Cortez

        Exactly.

    • Fabian Cortez

      Unlimited data plan users can tether using these services for free without exhausting their tethering allotment.

      So that means you can tether to your laptop or smart TV or Apple TV/Roku/Chromecast, etc. without it counting against your tethering allotment. Provided you’re using these [growing] services.

  • Logan S

    Wait, no p()rn binging?

    • Justin Bailey

      They said at the event that porn services would be included. They just have to meet the network requirements.

    • Alex Wagner

      As Justin said, Legere said that they’d be willing to include any services that are legal and meet the technical requirements of Binge On.

    • dtam

      they figured you’d only need it for 3-5 minutes anyways so they decided they didn’t need to include it, =)

  • Steve Park

    Hard to believe that it includes Direct TV and not DISH network. Dish Anywhere and my Hopper DVR (Sling) work great with mobile except my LG-G4 it crashes on launch, but “their working on it”

    • kgraham182

      It includes DirecTV cause it’s own by AT&T and Go90 cause it’s own by Verizon.

  • Jason

    Im just not that excited over this. I may not be in the mainstream demographic who doesnt care as much, but I just dont want to be stuck with 480P content being run through a post process for like my netflix movies. The whole idea that we should even be altering content for a cell phone is just against everything uncarrier. Content should not be touched and thee kinds of schemes should be frowned upon

    • Justin Bailey

      You can turn it off.

      • Fabian Cortez

        That’s the best way to reply to Jason moving forward: You. Can. Turn. It. Off.

    • Jimmy James

      It reduces network traffic and 480p looks good on a 5″ screen.

      • Jason

        No it doesnt ‘look good’ on a 5 inch screen. I mean especially ones with 1080P or 2K screens which is most of them these days. I notice a dramatic difference on my S5 on youtubd between 480P and 1080P. Its laughable to say with such high resolutions that there isnt a difference

        • Justin Bailey

          They’re not forcing you to watch at 480p. They’re just saying if you do, it won’t use your data.

          You. Can. Turn. It. Off.

        • Jason

          That is beyond the salient point. They shouldnt even be offering these types of methods for altering internet content. Content is not supposed to be altered, that is a fundamental aspect of any uncarrier modern strategy. It smells like all of the garbage the old guard used to do.

        • Adrayven

          You. Can. Turn. It. Off.

        • Bailey

          Lol.. (I couldn’t resist)

        • Justin Bailey

          So let’s just lay this out.

          To get the unlimited streaming:

          1. The content provider is giving the okay for the content to be altered.

          2. The network is providing the means for the content to be altered.

          3. The end user is providing the “okay” for the content to be altered.

          If at any point any of those three, the content provider, the end users, or the network don’t want the content altered, they can turn it off in 2 seconds. I’m failing to see the egregious transgression here.

        • taxandspend

          “Content is not supposed to be altered”

          Netflix allows you to do that and has for a long time. Go in to your account, and you can select a lower quality stream so that you don’t exceed your Comcast monthly allowance.

          T-Mobile will allow you to do the same. You can enable a lower quality stream on services that can provide one, and it won’t count at all.

        • James Sisay

          EXACTLY! people need to quit bitchin and just be thankful like sheesh!

        • Fabian Cortez

          That is beyond the salient point. They shouldnt even be offering these types of methods for altering internet content. Content is not supposed to be altered, that is a fundamental aspect of any uncarrier modern strategy. It smells like all of the garbage the old guard used to do.

          Sure. Let’s not offer free choice.

        • theseanteam

          The thing is, they aren’t forcing it on any content provider. Netflix, HBO, etc are all AGREEING to this. Uncarrier X really seems like win-win-win, with the content providers, the carrier and most importantly the consumer all benefiting!

        • Jimmy James

          I have an S6 with 5.1 screen, and it isn’t a big deal. Netflix super compresses their vids anyway on mobile and don’t give you a setting to change it. I will use it to help out the network.

      • Fabian Cortez

        Not to mention that it’s at least 480p quality. Or like T-Mobile’s website states: 480p+

    • theseanteam

      Turn it off. Freedom of choice. They aren’t shoving it down your throat.

  • AdamBath

    At this point, why not just bring back truly unlimited, with no throttling? Eventually they’ll Uncarrier it so much they’re right back where they started. It’s getting absurd…

    • Rene Shabastari

      I think this trickle unlocking of unlimited data services is for hype, marketing and to get around gray area and illegal sources of downloading/streaming. They are basically giving us unlimited data while safe guarding against network abuse and illegal activities

      • Adrayven

        Like torrenting.. yeah..

    • Mircury119

      I don’t know about you, but I don’t want my neighbor downloading 300GB of stuff because they’re to cheap to get a home internet connection while I’m trying to do work. Believe me, people abuse it and those small groups of people make it worse for all of us.

      • Jimmy James

        Yes. I use 25GBs a month. Sometimes streaming 1080p YouTube and Hulu. I am the abuser, as the average according to stats is around 3.

    • Jason

      I agree. It is getting overly overly complex. The data bucket tiers and now having to decide whether to turn on or off sub par video quality.

      • Justin Bailey

        Verizon has some new simplicity you can check out.

        Small, medium, large, xlarge – no perks, no complexity. Check it out.

        • Adrayven

          Yup, you can spend as MUCH as you want too! :p LOL

        • DKBNYC

          10 GB $180.

        • theseanteam

          Check out the overages while you are at it…

    • Fabian Cortez

      T-Mobile doesn’t throttle on their unlimited plans.

      • T Redd

        You dont get slowed down after 21gbs?

        • Fabian Cortez

          You dont get slowed down after 21gbs?

          No, you don’t.

          *pay close attention to your blanket statement before you proceed.*

        • T Redd

          Yeah i do. If the area is congested supposedly.

        • Fabian Cortez

          Yeah i do. If the area is congested supposedly.

          So because you get slowed down that means it must happen to everyone then? So that 2 TB of tethering must have been a fluke.

          What you’re experiencing is deprioritization due to site congestion and not necessarily area congestion. It is also not “throttling.” And if you think that other users without unlimited data plans on T-Mobile are also not experiencing a slowdown versus what they’d get during no congestion, then you’d be mistaken.

          It’s just that as an unlimited data user, you have the tendency to use more data for much longer. Meanwhile, those without unlimited high speed data would be more inclined to use data for a shorter period of time. So they are in turn put ahead of you in the line so access their little bit of data since it is expected to be quicker and less than what you would request/use.

          Think of it like a highway with emergency lanes and emergency vehicles receiving priority over normal vehicle traffic.

          Throttling would be a DUI checkpoint at a certain block of time (after a certain data threshold until the end of the month for data).

        • T Redd

          Everyone? I dont know. Thats why i asked. When i hit 21gb my speeds are almost unusbleno matter what time.until a new billing cyle. Unless my entire city is congested. thats why i said throttled. As for everyone else i dont know. There’s been quit a few people on this thats been experiencing the same as me.

        • Fabian Cortez

          Everyone? I dont know. Thats why i asked. When i hit 21gb my speeds are almost unusbleno matter what time.until a new billing cyle. Unless my entire city is congested. thats why i said throttled. As for everyone else i dont know. There’s been quit a few people on this thats been experiencing the same as me.

          They don’t throttle.

          Sure the world appears flat, but it isn’t.

        • T Redd

          Everyone else? Never said that.. thats why I asked . There’s been quit a few people on this site thats been experiencing this.. i said throttled because my speeds are much unusable until the next billing cycle. I average around 35gb.

        • Fabian Cortez

          Everyone else? Never said that.. thats why I asked . There’s been quit a few people on this site thats been experiencing this.. i said throttled because my speeds are much unusable until the next billing cycle. I average around 35gb.

          That’s because the 23 GB (previously 21 GB) threshold resets at the end of the month.

          It is clear that you seem to be encountering the same congested cell sites throughout your day.

  • Steve

    I’m looking forward to streaming MLB AtBat Premium next season. I do a lot of driving and the option to have it available outside of the confines of my home is a great option. I would have done it this season had I not had the same fear John mentioned in the webcast of going over my data allotment and being relegated to lower bandwidth (or on the other carriers, Overages!)

  • pengko

    For those that says its an extra 10 bucks for the 6gb…. WRONG!!!

    How has Simple Choice changed?

    We’ve doubled the high-speed data included in our base plan at no extra cost for new activations or migrations starting 11/15. We’ve also doubled our 4G LTE data tiers so now you can add 4GB of 4G LTE data for only $15/mo. And with Family Match, families save even more when they add the same amount of 4G LTE data, doubling their LTE at no extra cost which is up to 4 times the data you would get with ATT & Verizon for the same price or less. No sharing required!

    And for a limited time, get the 4th line FREE.

    • pengko

      those that are 3gb+ will be able to enjoy the streaming freedom…

      • pengko

        correction:

        For customers with 6GB or more, you also get Data Stash included and unlimited video streaming from your favorite streaming services without ever using your high-speed data.

        t-mobile livesteam gave some confusion info about 3gb+ people being able to take advantage of that streaming freedom.

  • Jason

    Colluding with content providers to enable an acceptable lower quality standard for mobile devices is a horrible can of worms to open. This is just a travesty. Theyve basically legitmized the enabling of content providers to offer a reduced quality of service on mobile devices that will be quasi accepted as a norm. Its just a nightmare that is against every spirit of net neutrality. Now all the mobile carriers will likely join in and we’ll have a two tiered system for eternity. Just stupidity

    • taxandspend

      “Its just a nightmare that is against every spirit of net neutrality.”

      No it’s not. It’s your option to turn it on or off.

      • Jason

        It is bigger than a frickin switch ok? You have to think about this in a macro sense. When you get a broad majority of mobile users who just have this kind of reduced quality sh- enabled as a default on their mobile devices, you create a broad market of people who think the reduced quality and carrier manipulation is NORMAL. It is exactly the kind of content stiflig that net neutrality was intended to stop in spirit.

        • Justin Bailey

          I encourage you to show your disgust by disabling this option and freeing up the network for the rest of us after you reach your data limit.

        • Jason

          No what I intend to do is larger in scope. What we need to do is lobby the FCC to put an end to these content reducing schemes by carriers from being offered at all. And with the leaning that the FCC has now, it can be convinced.

        • taxandspend

          “What we need to do is lobby the FCC to put an end to these content reducing schemes”

          Have you noticed that you can go in to your Google Play music app, or the Amazon music app, or Pandora, etc and tell it to stream at a lower quality? Are you advocating forcing everyone to stream at a maximum bitrate?

        • Justin Bailey

          You know it’s funny, I’d probably agree with you if the content being tampered with were editorial at all.

          And I’d certainly agree with you if T-Mobile had announced that all video would be compressed, whether the user liked it or not.

          But that’s not what’s happening. Instead, T-Mobile is offering customers the choice of how to watch. They can continue to watch the 720 or 1080 videos and not see a change in their experience at all, except that they’ll have more data.

          Or they can choose to see it at a reduced quality, just like the currently can on desktop, and watch as much of it as they want.

          All this does is offer consumers an option. It’s a fantastic deal.

        • theseanteam

          If your idea was truly to consumer friendly, don’t you think more people would be supporting you?

        • taxandspend

          “You have to think about this in a macro sense.”

          Did you feel the same way about Apple when they introduced the iPod? So you didn’t need to buy CD’s any more? Because those compressed audio files are far lower quality than the CD was.

          And what about Netflix when you could buy the BluRay?

          “It is exactly the kind of content stiflig that net neutrality was intended to stop in spirit.”

          No it wasn’t. It was to stop “pay to play”.

        • Rupesh

          I think you got the meaning of net neutrality partially incorrect. You are right in that carrier manipulation should not be there. When ISP’s monetize channels for the select few and these would be the content providers who are willing to pay money to the ISPs so their content can reach the end users, that is fundamentally wrong. NN is about keeping consumers at the center and ensuring that end consumers get all data in an open fashion. When there is no money being exchanged here it’s not NN. Secondly T-mo is not stopping any other content provider from joining this service. So it’s not really an anti-NN. Thirdly, reduced quality (480P) could be an issue now but I think they mentioned that with time they will plan on increasing the quality. But for the majority users 480P will be sufficient (of course I am not talking about the QHD devices or the 4k device)..

    • Justin Bailey

      So by this logic, it’s wrong for Netflix to offer you the ability to toggle the quality of the video you’re watching on desktop. Because it sets up a two tier system.

      In spite of the fact that you can control what quality you see.

  • Nate

    I think the deal is pretty cool. I can’t make use of it as I already have the Unlimited Data without throttling but it might be nice to step down to if I need to shave a few bucks off the bill. Pretty cool I say.

    • zOMGLOLROFLMAOz

      But if you want back in on unlimited, it’ll be $95 to get back on the train.

  • emcdonald75

    Wouldn’t Binge On just push many people to the unlimited data plan, once they notice that 480p quality looks awful on a 1080p or 2K screen? I like the idea of Binge On but it is kind of hard to go back to a lower screen quality since I have had the unlimited data plan for years. I really like the bump up of tethering data from 7GB-14GB.

    • Justin Bailey

      People can turn it off and their experience will be exactly as it is now, except they’ll have more data.

    • Fabian Cortez

      It’s at least 480p.

      Unlike Sprint that wanted to limit video to 600 kbps.

      • emcdonald75

        I want T-Mobile to find ways to push people to higher plans if people feel they are getting what they paid for and T-Mobile can increase their profits. T-Mobile should find more ways to make more money. I think it is the only company that deserves to be Number 1, once they can fill in the coverage gaps, no other company will come close to this leave of value.

        • Justin Bailey

          The huge influx of new customers, especially post-paid customers, will increase their profits.

        • Fabian Cortez

          Also adding in the extra $10 a month for 3 GB to participate in Binge On.

        • Chadd

          So what if I have the simple choice family plan where all my lines have 10GB each and data stash…is that plan staying the same price and will I be eligible for binge on?

        • Fabian Cortez

          I don’t know.

        • Golbez352

          Need to pay for a data plan, so free teirs no binge on, wait till 15th for new plans.

        • Chadd

          I am paying for a data plan…10GB. Not sure if you missed that part

  • tranceformer978

    I’m going to turn it off until the start of next year when my Data Stash promo ends.

  • taxandspend

    What about that link says that it’s not true?

    • Erik Knudsen

      because it’s treating data from different services differently. that’s as blatant as it gets.

      • taxandspend

        No it’s not. You can turn it off. Or in my case, I had to turn it on. So you don’t believe that we should have that option? I can go into my Netflix account and have it stream at lower quality, or I can go into my T-Mobile account and enable Binge-On and also receive a lower quality stream and not be charged for it. The other services that aren’t part of this will continue to stream with unaltered data streams. Only the participating services have their data altered if you want it to be.

        • Erik Knudsen

          Still treating data differently depending on the service, that’s not net neutrality by definition.

        • taxandspend

          You have the option to treat it differently. You aren’t being forced to use that option. They aren’t being throttled. That’s what net neutrality is about.

  • mingkee

    How about those who have $10 5GB Data Match Tablet plan?

  • Irfan

    tricks and tips are every where because this industry is like this …

    Question on T-Mobile Page :What happens when I run out of high-speed data?
    Answer : Because video streams free from your
    favorite video streaming services and almost all other video streaming
    is optimized so you can watch 3 times more video with your data plan, we
    think it will be hard to run out of data. But if you do, you will first
    draw from your Data Stash. If you exhaust your Data Stash you’ll never
    get hit by an overage. EVER!

    they says your internet will optimize mean this will blocked your internet and all packets will move forward to your video streaming , other hand if you hit your data limit so will jumped to 2G network speed and multiply by 3 what u will get .. i don’t think so u can run video streaming once you hit your data limit .. they are tricky ..
    one hand this binge thing will not touch any data other hand it will optimize your data to stream better video , 3rds once you hit your data limit you can get 2gX3X speed …
    drama ?

    • Justin Bailey

      My understanding is that even after you hit your data limit, you’ll still be able to stream video from the 24 services.

      • Fabian Cortez

        Correct.

        Just like music freedom.

      • Craig

        The fine print at the bottom of the tmo page sounds like it doesn’t agree: (note, it says “all usage slowed to up to 2G…”)

        Video streaming from included services does not count toward full-speed data allotment on our network. Third party content and subscription charges may apply. Once high-speed data allotment is reached, all usage slowed to up to 2G speeds until end of bill cycle

  • tmolover31

    Yes! Soon we’ll be able to say goodbye to our local cable monopolies (or possibly former monopolies) and continue streaming. It may not be HD, but it might still be enough for us to get rid of cable completely.

    • Jwajid

      And that is the true goal

    • Ascertion

      I see the local cable companies turning on this optimized streaming, forcing users to use it at the cost of lower quality video to boost their profits. They’re already implementing data caps so they’ll likely do this.

  • Crucifixion Cruxi

    Nothing about the shit network? So god damn slow

  • mO

    It all sounds good but I wonder just how much it will be used. I’m not a data hog and n fact I use less than 2gb per month. I am an avid streamer and use my home or office to connect via wifi to the Internet to watch movies, you tube or other vids. I’m using Roku on one TV and Chromcast on the other. I tried to use the phone on the TMO network and it’s pretty shitty quality. Lots of folks are concerned that this will cogent the TMO network and honestly I have the same concern. Nice gesture but the network is fairly fragile in certain parts of my neighborhooD. Sometimes call quality is pretty shitty and data is very slow almost to the point that it’s painful to use. Can’t imagine that streaming on a wholesale basis is going to improve call quality. Wonder how long it will take for th network o come to a complete stand still? Interesting John went on a rant about some users consuming excessive amounts of data and how this slows the network down. One has to assume that some TMO customers will be watching some vids 24/7 just because they can. Won’t take many in your cell tower area to seriously slow or gum up the entire network. Thanks John.

  • Thatguy

    Comcast will not be please!

  • Fabian Cortez

    Nothing about the sh!t network? So god damn slow

    You are incorrect.

    T-Mobile is the nation’s fastest LTE network and they are currently at 302 million POPs of LTE.

    • Chadd

      This may be true in certain areas, but I can have 4 or 5 bars of LTE and I literally get .2 Mbps download when doing a speedtest, and I have plenty of screenshots to prove it. It’s so bad sometimes that it can’t even complete the upload speedtest and just loses connection altogether

      • Crucifixion Cruxi

        Chadd I feel your pain. No idea what fabian is smoking

        • Fabian Cortez

          Sure.

          Because congestion doesn’t exist so I must naturally be smoking something.

      • Fabian Cortez

        Read above.

    • Crucifixion Cruxi

      Yea say that to my .1 mbps download speed on my speedtest app

      • Fabian Cortez

        You are being depeiortized.

        If you think AT&T, Sprint, and/or Verizon don’t experience the same speeds then you have unrealistic expectations of wireless.

  • Bryck

    My Gosh!!!! So many people complaining about this and that. HELLOOO, THIS IS FREE!!! Enjoy it. And the doubling of Data bucket it’s a big win.

  • walt

    where’s the amazon prime and youtube love?

    • Justin Bailey

      It’s on those companies to work with T-Mobile.

      • Jwajid

        Thank you for being smart. Tmobile has proved they want every one to watch what they want without using their data. Youtube and amazon has to cooperate with T-mobile.

  • TMOGUY

    Did anyone catch that unlimited data is going up from $30/month to $45/month?

    • Guest

      huh? link please

    • Fabian Cortez

      It looks like everything went up.

      $10 -> $15
      $20 -> $30
      $30 -> $45

      • Justin Bailey

        link?

      • Tinger12

        It looks to be an increase on the “Doubling for 25% less”

        $10 -> 3GB now $15 -> 6GB ($2.50/GB new vs $3.00/GB old)
        $20 -> 5GB now $30 -> 10GB ($3.00/GB new vs $4.00/GB old)
        $30 -> Unlimited(7GB tether) now $45 -> unlimited(14GB tether). ($3.21/GB tether new vs $4.29/GB tether old) – Only change between old and new pricing is the tethering amount on Unlimited.

        Seems like playing numbers to increase customer bill and feeding it as a doubling of the data.

        I would guess all current customers keep their price but new ones don’t

        • Bklynman

          If I am reading this right I can now get 6 gb for only $5.00 a month? What about hotspot service any thing change with that?

        • Tinger12

          No you get 6GB per month for $15 as an add on to your Simple Choice service (or $30 for 10GB or $45 for Unlimited on your PHONE).

          Nothing with prepaid or Hotspot data has changed. This is all for PHONE Simple Choice postpaid plans.

        • Bklynman

          Sorry my bad,I meant to write only $5.00 more a month. But thank you. Any information on hot spot service increase?

        • Fabian Cortez

          Definitely noteworthy. It’s rather clear that they’re expecting a significant increase in subscribers adds due to this announcement so why not maximize revenue?

          At least the price per GB has dropped and the added features have increased.

        • Joe

          I think this is a very calculated move since the Binge On announcement is going to attract A LOT of people. So this move will probably bring a lot of cash in and that way they can improve there network. Also I think because the streaming quality of videos will be 480p it will not have to bad of an effect on the network. All in all I think t-mobile knows what there doing and this is going to benefit both the costumer and t-mobile.

      • Jwajid

        Do not forget family match. Plus 4th line free. SOOOOOO unlimited data not only $30 a month but 4 lines and if everyone has unlimited only pays $180. That is truly unlimited per line (Binge on not needed)

    • Jay Holm

      I don’t know what to say, at least unlimited data is still available, nearly 5 full years since ATT & Vzn did away with it.

  • SFBayAreaWaitingForBand12

    Hoping this won’t affect network performance for less stream-intensive users.

    • Fabian Cortez

      Hoping this won’t affect network performance for less stream-intensive users.

      This is all proprietary optimization.

      They wouldn’t launch something that would cripple their network.

      In fact, it is most likely these “stream-intensive users” that have been bringing some of the network speeds down.

      • SFBayAreaWaitingForBand12

        Proprietary optimization…. a nice nebulous term.

        My concern is that in areas with already spotty Band 4 coverage (and don’t have B12 deployed yet), subscribers are already experiencing throughput issues. Add to this streaming, even through optimization, this could cause issues.

        • SFBayAreaWaitingForBand12

          Band 12 expands coverage radially but can’t match the throughput of band 4. Carrier aggregation may help in areas where it’s enabled.

        • Fabian Cortez

          Proprietary optimization…. a nice nebulous term.

          My concern is that in areas with already spotty Band 4 coverage (and don’t have B12 deployed yet), subscribers are already experiencing throughput issues. Add to this streaming, even through optimization, this could cause issues.

          Exactly. A lot of that would be considered raw data usage. Or like T-Mobile mentioned: wasted data.

          This announcement clearly doubles as network management.

        • SFBayAreaWaitingForBand12

          Network management for a select group of use cases, correct?

        • Fabian Cortez

          Network management for a select group of use cases, correct?

          Isn’t it assumed that video streaming is the most problematic issue with respect to cellular networks?

          It certainly isn’t voice calls, text messaging, web browsing.

        • kenneth arnold

          Actually what it says is it’s gonna limit you to 480p so lots of folks who have been streaming in high quality mode nonstop eating up all the bandwidth will suddenly be using a lot less

        • Fabian Cortez

          Where does it say it is limited to 480p?

          If anything, I read the quality with be 480p+.

  • vinnyjr

    How can anyone complain about these great features. Don’t get it, if you don’t want it you don’t have to use it. No other Carrier has ever given their customers free anything. I am very happy with all the great UnCarrier moves. Music Freedom and now Binge On!!! Thank You T-Mobile, Thank You John Legere.

    • Android_God

      Oh Jesus I just threw up in my mouth

      • Fabian Cortez

        Oh Jesus I just threw up in my mouth

        And had the time to post about it.

        Clean up first will you?

      • Jesus

        It’s ok

        10 hail marys my son

  • Cam Fas

    So are tablets included? It would be nice to get unlimited Netflix on my tablet Id use it much more and are they doubling the data bucket for the tablets too?

    • JBLmobileG1

      I’d like to know this as well.

      • mingkee

        I asked T-Mobile over Twitter and the answer is yes.

        • JBLmobileG1

          Awesome thanks! Now if they can just add YouTube I’d be that much happier. :) Any idea if the older $20 Data plans will have the extra tethering? Like from 5gb to 10gb?

        • mingkee

          I asked but so far I have not heard anything yet. However, since I have Netflix, I can simply play Scandal on Xperia Z Ultra while I can use my phone to do anything else.

  • tony

    i have 50 friends signing to t mobile this month ready to switch from verizon.

    they watch netflix alot , this news is just goldmine.

  • tony

    oh their friends friends whos on sprint is also going to sign up for t mobile, their kids also watches netflix. this annocuement is just the biggest news ever.

  • Pete

    Would be cool if YouTube in the list.

  • tony

    t mobile going to have influx of new customers coming this month gooo t mobile!.

  • alex

    is the tablet $10 5gb plan included in video stream?

    • mingkee

      Yes.

  • theseanteam

    Just curious if you can read… they are opening it up to everyone.

    • Erik Knudsen

      yes, i can read. thanks for asking.

      if it’s open to everyone…why would there be a list of services that it applies to?

      the way to do this without violating net neutrality is to count all data equally. it’s really not a difficult concept.

      • theseanteam

        Because certain technical back-end things need to be done before it will work for that service.

        As for net neutrality–if you feel so strongly, all you need to do is turn off BingeOn or select another mobile carrier. You will be doing your part to stand up for your right to keep the internet free.

        • Erik Knudsen

          I’m not sure what feelings have to do with it, I’m just using the definition of words.

          Whether I’m for it or against it is irrelevant to the facts of the matter.

        • theseanteam

          Or you are trolling / arguing just for the sake of such…

        • Erik Knudsen

          Not at all, just stating how I see things

  • Joey

    No youtube?? :/

  • theseanteam

    While Youtube isn’t included today… Google Music wasn’t in Music Freedom from day one and was subsequently added. Would be surprised if Youtube isn’t added eventually.

  • Trevnerdio

    RIP data speeds </3

    • theseanteam

      Have you considered the fact fact that many people will now be streaming lower quality video that might actually reduce load?

      • Trevnerdio

        Ahh, didn’t even see that! Thanks for pointing that out. I hope they don’t enable the “optimization” by default for unlimited customers. I’ll forget that it’s on and I’ll be getting frustrated

        • theseanteam

          I believe it is on by default for everyone–so if you want to fault T-Mobile for that, one could have a point. But other than that, it’s hard to get mad at something that’s given to everyone for free…

        • Trevnerdio

          True that. Wasn’t knocking it at all.

        • justanormalguy13

          Just go to your account online and turn it off. Then you’ll be back to the highest quality.

        • dtam

          you can turn it off

        • Fabian Cortez

          You. Can. Turn. It. Off.

        • Trevnerdio

          Did you even read my post, Fabian? It’s implied that I already knew that, huh?

      • Ascertion

        It can go both ways. People that originally weren’t streaming videos due to data limits were avoiding it. Now they’re going to start utilizing the service since it does not count towards their allowance. Meaning maybe instead of 10 people per sector streaming HD video, it’s now 50 people streaming SD.

        • theseanteam

          1080p vs 480p is about 3-4x. It’s a pretty significant difference. If a good percentage people who used to stream in HD now stream with BingeOn, it would take a pretty large increase for the overall bandwidth use to go up, let alone go up enough to cause an overall slowdown of the network.

        • Ascertion

          True, except the people that are already on unlimited data is not going to worry about turning BingeOn on. They’re going to continue streaming things at 1080p/4K. This means only more people will be coming in with lower priced data tiers, using up much more bandwidth.

          But, I’m not 100% sure how this’ll play out so I’m going to keep track of network performance for the next year or so and see how it affects T-Mobile’s speeds.

        • theseanteam

          Your assumption seems based that there are people on lower tiers will not use BingOn, lowering their peak data throughput–which I would disagree with. Especially considering that BingOn will be defaulted on, many people (even those on unlimited) will now be streaming at a lower resolution dropping throughput across the board. Even with an increase of users and an increase of overall video streaming usage by users across the board, the multiplier factor will result in better data flow overall.

          That doesn’t take into consideration that T-Mobile will add more spectrum and backhaul to improve overall mobile data capacity.

      • Fabian Cortez

        Exactly.

        People said the same exact thing about Music Freedom yet T-Mobile was named the fastest LTE network in the country.

        T-Mobile has clearly figured out that unabated video streaming has affected their network when excess data was not needed.

        No one needs a 4K or 1080p stream on a 5″ screen, thus the waste of data. 720p would be sufficient but T-Mobile figured 480p+ is a good starting point. People seem content with OTA broadcasts, HD cable, Dish HD, and even standard definition on their 32″+ TV sets. 480p on a 5″ screen will appease the masses.

        And if you’re not appeased, then you can easily opt out.

        • taxandspend

          “480p on a 5″ screen will appease the masses.”

          Exactly again. When you watch a DVD on your HD television, from across the room, it looks okay. Now squish that down to a phone screen. If it’s encoded will with good color saturation etc, it will look great.

          We’ll all be able to make our own judgements soon enough though.

        • Fabian Cortez

          We’ll all be able to make our own judgements soon enough though.

          Exactly. And choose to opt out if unsatisfied!

      • Trevnerdio

        However, people who are on a limited data plan avoid 1080p videos like the plague, so they’ll still stream more, regardless.

  • Shaun McNulty

    what about YouTube?

    • Fuuuuuuuuu

      YouTube DOMINATES web traffic. If they were to be included in this, the network would slow to a crawl, even at 480p.

  • ArlenianPropaneMachine

    No WWE Network?

    • donnybee

      I’m hoping this comment was a joke

      Possibly a joke about a joke?

  • nrfitchett4

    I’m guessing all of y’all are for net neutrality and this right here violates it. Amazing how hypocritical people become when they get something for free…

    • Goat

      I believe he mentioned during the event that this was not in violation of Net Neutrality rules.

      • nrfitchett4

        Deciding which data to charge you for is clearly a violation of net neutrality as the data is supposed to all count the same. How is that any different then Comcast offering free streaming of its xfinity service but counting Netflix against your data cap? It’s not, no matter what the “uncarrier” says.

        • Goat

          My previous comment was stating what John Legere said during the event. The FCC has decided to take things such as these on a “case-by-case” basis, so it could go either way. Usually (almost always these days) when Comcast does things it’s not for the benefit of the consumer. It’s a stretch to compare the two.

        • nrfitchett4

          No, you can’t go one way with net neutrality and then say the other way is wrong. Data is data, shouldn’t matter where its going or where it came from. Consumers complained when they weren’t allowed to hotspot on their unlimited data plans because its just data. Just because this version benefits the consumer doesn’t make it any less wrong. Just give everyone unlimited data and be done with it if you are such an uncarrier.

        • Goat

          I’m not an expert in Net Neutrality so I’m not going to try to go into detail any further on something I might not completely understand. I see your point, but I can still see two different outcomes. Since the FCC has decided to look at these on a case-by-case basis, it suggests theirs exceptions to be made.

          That’s my take, anyways. Guess we’ll find out soon!

        • Richard Finzel

          Sure sounds good until you are the one to complain of a slow network because of the number of users out there doing the same thing and tethering multiple devices. But sure data is data and everyone needs unlimited data to tether everything..NOT!!!

        • Luis Hotdaddy Vasquez

          If you don’t like it, then go to AT&T!

        • nrfitchett4

          Actually, AT&T violates this as well with free streaming on Beats.

      • RosynaKeller

        It isn’t in violation of the FCC’s Net Neutrality rules but it is in violation of the spirit of net neutrality (data is data, increasing infrastructure benefits all users)

        • ianken

          Then change providers. Or opt out, which you can do.

  • guest

    i don’t like it.

    They should make the plans simpler and cheaper.

    All this “free” stuff like Freedom Music and Binge On should be optional. Even the 3 Countries for 1 should be optional.

    In fact they should provide more options for everyone’s tastes and needs. Not everyone listens to music and watches videos on their phones.

    • Cmx

      It’s free so who cares , you don’t have to use it , but you have an option

      • randypower

        The problem is none of this is free. We pay for every bit of it.

        I would rather have a lower bill than so many of these extras that I don’t use.

        And since the announcement goes along with new fine print (new Data Stash cap) and overt price increases, it’s exactly the opposite of what I want.

        This is definitely not free.

        • Fabian Cortez

          Your bill went up?

          I’d like to see where T-Mobile altered the price of your Simple Choice bill.

        • randypower

          Yes. I always choose Unlimited, whose price has increased from +$20 to +$30 and now +$45.

          My family is mixed across carriers. When I migrate people to my tmo account, I either pay different amounts or renegotiate to some special deal (which is not simple pricing anymore).

          Before someone says “then leave,” don’t be a clown. Of course that’s an option. Tmo is slowly taking away their lower cost benefit as they do things to justify increasing their prices. And in doing so, I am slowly losing my loyalty to tmo.

          [Edit: Yeah I just realized someone beat me to then “then leave” comment.]

        • Fabian Cortez

          Yes. I always choose Unlimited, whose price has increased from +$20 to +$30 and now +$45.

          Again, where has T-Mobile increased your bill?

        • randypower

          About 18 months ago, I rejoined tmo alone. Later I added one of my sons and the price had changed. Still later, I added another son. Every time I wanted to make a change, the price had gone up, which makes it less attractive. I would rather tmo focus on holding or reducing price than adding perks.

        • Fabian Cortez

          About 18 months ago, I rejoined tmo alone. Later I added one of my sons and the price had changed. Still later, I added another son. Every time I wanted to make a change, the price had gone up, which makes it less attractive. I would rather tmo focus on holding or reducing price than adding perks.

          Exactly.

          Prices change all the time.

          Just because you were able to get gasoline at 78 cents a gallon 543246584651 years ago doesn’t mean you can get it at that much today, even if you’ve faithfully shopped at the same gas station.

          Prices change and if you do not want them to change you have a few options: You can leave (classic response), you can stop leaving and coming back, or you can anticipate your line changes.

        • randypower

          Wow thanks, I didn’t realize prices change. Thanks for contributing valuable information.

          I give up. Makes me want to leave T-Mobile if this is the level of discourse among its customers.

        • Fabian Cortez

          Wow thanks, I didn’t realize prices change. Thanks for contributing valuable information.

          Your sarcasm is misplaced. Especially since it is you that is having the issue of dealing with ever changing prices.

          Prices change. Businesses change. That’s how the world works. It is unreasonable to think that prices wouldn’t change. AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon have all changed their pricing structure multiple times.

          I give up. Makes me want to leave T-Mobile if this is the level of discourse among its customers.

          This is a T-Mobile blog about news about T-Mobile and is completely unofficial.

          Your issues are with T-Mobile, not its customers.

          Try calling customer support and/or emailing John Legere if you seek discourse and eventually recourse on this matter.

        • Richard Finzel

          There are other options out there too. Some of them include taxes and fees for that one low price. So quit complaining about the “higher prices” and “nothing is free” and switch if you think things are better somewhere else. There is no such thing as making everyone happy and giving everyone ehat they want all the time. You obviously chose Tmobile for one reason or another. If you are not pleased with them then you can switch. SIMPLE.

        • randypower

          Why do some of you get so defensive when someone has an opinion that differs from your own?

          Instead of addressing my point that it’s not free, you resort to “Well, go somewhere else.” No duh.

          It’s really all or nothing for you, isn’t it? Either love and defend tmo and their every move or leave.

    • dtam

      it’s not like prices have gone up since they’ve given away all these free things so….

      • kgraham182

        Actually prices are going up, base price is $50 which is still the same. Add $15 for 6GB, $30 for 10GB, and $45 for unlimited data. The unlimited plan will now be $95, over $100 after fees and taxes are included.

        • dtam

          well it used to be $10 for 2 GB and they just doubled the base bucket to 2 GB…months after they have doubled the bucket from 500 MB to 1 GB.

          if their base stays the same and they keep on giving these things, the new free stuff isn’t what is making prices go up. Price only changes if you want more data

  • Chuck E Cheese

    I just read every posted comment & no one mentioned a very important point hidden in the details regarding BingeOn.

    Ifor you opt in to use BingeOn Data Stash terms change from unlimited data stash to 20gb cap.

    This is a huge deal breaker in my opinion to opting into BingeOn. So “free” comes at a cost not just “reduced” “dvd” quality but at a loss of data stash.

    With so many services missing: amazon, xbox, Google Play youtube, twc, xfinity, abc, nbc, cbs, cw, fox, fx, cnn, usa, tnt, tbs, etc & Data Stash being cripple, you really need to think about if you want to opt into BingeOn

    • justanormalguy13

      You only get to keep it for a year anyways. So if you used absolutely no data on a three gig plan, then you’d store 36 gigs in a year. Sure, you have a little less stored up, but obviously you weren’t using it to begin with anyways. 20 gigs is sufficient in the vast majority of cases.

      • Chuck E Cheese

        We have simple Choice amped 10gb4all. So each line has 10gb each.

        Some of the lines use less than 1gb month so they could currently stash up to 108gb over rolling 12 months or 5x what the new 20gb cap allows.

        Biggest question is why did they have to alter Data Stash? Free means free means zero extra cost. Ino this case it’s not free…it will cost you your accumulated data stash

        • disqus_DFnvXJ7c9h

          Thanks for the heads up definitely not opting in now!! Btw you notice the 6gb plan is the same price as the 10gb for all? My guess it’s they’ll drop 10gb for all soon. Glad i signed up already!

        • Chuck E Cheese

          Yeah. I really don’t get how John, Mike, & Braxton made such a big deal about how great pricing was with new Family Match that you could get 4 lines with 6gb each for $120.

          Did they forget they already had 10gb4all for the same $120/4 lines & $20 for additional lines.

          With new Simple Choice Amped 10gb4all is going to cost $150 & $30 each additional line.

          And at uncarrier x event zero mention of changes to Data Stash if you stay opted into BingeOn.

          Very shady move to bury in faqs later in the day. This is what John would call a “dick” carrier move.

        • Daniel Marchand

          true, but still best offering out there… I’d take a 20GB capped stash any day over AT&T’s we’ll roll over your data for ONE MONTH crap. lol

        • Daniel Marchand

          The other thing – still a bit speculator at this point, but these new amped plans are going to be the new normal simple choice plans… that said it’s supposed to be eligible for corporate/gov discounts, the 10GB promo isn’t.

        • disqus_DFnvXJ7c9h

          the 10gb plans aren’t eligible for the corp discounts? wtf that sucks. Their fine print ands or ifs are getting on my nerves

        • Daniel Marchand

          To clarify the 10gb amped plan is (previously the 5gb tier on normal simple choice)… But the promo deal for 10gb a line (2 for 100, 4 for 120 (4th line free)) is not. I’d have considered it if it was, from my current promo with discount bill would go up $35 + taxes (120 vs 85)

        • disqus_DFnvXJ7c9h

          from what I see all corporate discounts are discontinued

        • Daniel Marchand

          Not all, but most… The ones for government and military are still there. I talked to T-Force and they confirmed if I were to switch to the amped plan I’d still get a 15% discount, however I would loose the $5/mo unlimited international talk promo (covers whole account, normally costs $10/mo per line) – so that provides me additional incentive to keep my 2.5GB promo plan still…

        • disqus_DFnvXJ7c9h

          $5 a month whole account int calling?! Teach me your ways sir!

          I believe they allowed corp discounts for those that had them before end of 2014 but not for new subscribers. I could be wrong though this is just info I got from a blog and T-Force forum.

          With that said I miss my 22% corp discount I had on VZW.

        • Daniel Marchand

          haha, yes I’m a frugal person… I just keep tabs on any promos T-Mobile throws out there, with new plans I always weigh if it’s a better deal, etc. In this case it was a no brainer, just having the $10 feature on one line and going with the international talk promo saved money! here is the press release for it https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news/t-mobile-makes-calling-those-abroad-affordable-worry-free.htm It was for nov-dec of 2014.

          Kind of sucks that they are forcing the removal of this feature if I opt to switch plans, even in the press release it states “…but once added to your account, everyone on your account with a Simple Choice plan can enjoy the benefits for as long as you keep Stateside International Talk on your account”, which to me implies as an add-on feature I can keep this forever so long as I have an account and this add-on on there, no where does it state it’s tied to a specific rate plan (being an add-on) or that it requires a qualifying plan, etc., but T-Mobile has set it so it’s bound to old simple choice plans and can’t go with you to a new plan, if I switch plans online it automatically throws this feature in the removed items list. Trying to get those ARPUs up I guess :p
          They have killed a ton of corporate discounts, most that remain have been switched over to a here is a $25 gift card deal vs. a monthly discount, but for gov/military and certain select few others discounts still exist, even for new folks. Would be hard for them to stop mil/gov discounts I’d think since every carrier does these. 22% is very nice… AT&T only gave us 15%, and it was selective, didn’t apply to certain features or items on your bill, with their new share plans it only applies to the plan cost itself not the access fees they charge per device, etc. in that regard I love that T-Mobile applies it across the board.

        • disqus_DFnvXJ7c9h

          yea I’ve noticed Tmobile likes to play that game considering they won’t let you back into binge unlimited and 20gb stash cap without changing plans. I opted out anyway. I just signed up for 10gb for all but I expect to reach 100gb by end of next year. I only use 2gb-5gb a month on the high end. But sometimes I need to tether for work so the stash will come in handy. much more than unlimited video streaming. although I’ll keep the 480p compression to aid in stashing.

          Funny thing is I gotta use up my 10gb free on last day of term this month before I can stash. just another Tmobile gimmick, they know most people don’t hit their limit so they don’t want them stashing willy nilly the 10gb free-bee is just a tactic to prevent auto stashing..

        • Daniel Marchand

          I pointed that same thing out when stash came out and got virtual stones tossed at me on reddit lol. Free 10gigs great! But no stashing till its used WTF. It defeats the purpose of a stash, most would be better off if they could opt out of the free 10 gig’s and start stashing from the get go. It’s definitely been thought out, limits those who use little days, but like the safety net to that 10gb.

        • disqus_DFnvXJ7c9h

          btw how do you keep track of new tmobile deals? Via My Tmobile site, howard forums, etc.?

        • Daniel Marchand

          Mainly tmonews (added to my feedly feed I check daily), sometimes I’ll browse reddit, or T-Mobile direct advertising.

        • justanormalguy13

          I see. I still feel though that in reality if you’re only using 1 gb a month, then you probably won’t need more than 20 gb stored. I know, it’s your data, so you should get to keep it all. I wonder if maybe this is only for new customers. Just like jump 1 people got to keep their jump 1, maybe stash 1 people keep their stash.

    • disqus_DFnvXJ7c9h

      Ding ding ding.. Huge deal breaker for me. Leaving it disabled for now as in not opting in. If rather end up with about 100gb of stashed data by end of next year then this. Wish they would have left it out but i guess it makes sense. Either case i don’t want a limit on my stashed data. Even though there is a theatrical 120gb limit with my 10gb for all plan.

      • Chuck E Cheese

        You need to opt out! It is automatically on by default. So you don’t opt in..you do the opposite!

        • disqus_DFnvXJ7c9h

          Yup txt DATAROLL sent to 6255 from every individual line to remain opted out. Did it nov 14th

      • Daniel Marchand

        What exactly are you going to do with all that stash? o.O It does expire after a year…

        • disqus_DFnvXJ7c9h

          Watch full HD content. Backup my photos remotely to my home computer. Watch sports. Tether with much more data then even the “unlimited plans”.

          Does it matter? With a 100gb pool of data i essentially have limited but non concerning amount of data. 20gb limit however is far from that

  • Chuck E Cheese

    Thank you for wanting to know more about what we’re doing here at T-Mobile :) If you migrated to our latest version of Data Stash you can take advantage of Binge On and you can stash up to 20GB. Now, You can opt out here: https://t.co/aHmy9u8Gvm. Keep in mind, your data will continue to be used for video streaming. Does that make sense? *KimB

  • TK – Indy

    What about throttling, oops I mean de-prioritization. Does the video usage still count against that? If so, it is really BingeOn for 23GB or so then ThrottleOn for the month.

    • Crucifixion Cruxi

      It’s throttling. Why do I get slowed down if I pay more and they pay less.

      • Fabian Cortez

        Because you’re here to troll and refuse to understand the difference between throttling and deprioritization.

        But this article has nothing to do with that.

    • Ascertion

      These plans just get more confusing by the day. X counts towards data, but not your data allowance when it’s on a certain setting, Y is data, but only counts if you’re doing something, on a certain service. Z doesn’t count towards data unless it’s through tethering, etc.

  • ianken

    LOL ta their “special technology” to “optimize” the streaming. They’re doing a man in the middle and filtering the HD content from the streaming manifest.

  • Chris Siegell

    I don’t like it. 480p is not optimized for a mobile screen. There are no recent mid-high end smartphones in 2015 with screens that are optimized for and only support 480p. If 720p was at least the default, then BingeOn would be acceptable. BingeOn is a fail for USA in 2015, but a win in remote places like South Africa.

    • Richard Finzel

      Then go somewhere else. It is fee video to your phone. Obviously they are not going to use up all network resources to play a 720p or 1080p video on your phone for free. Besides you could always go to one of the other carriers andask for free video streaming and see how much they laugh at you.

      • Chris Siegell

        You go somewhere else. T-Mobile does not need any more “Yes men” like you. I disagree, i feel that 720p is a good medium bandwidth. These carriers need to get with the times as eventually the service will be completely unlimited. I do thank T-Mobile for binging the service forward and the T-Mobile customers for getting their voices out. T-Mobile has remianed the “uncarrier” from listening to it’s customers, not from their customers kissing their butt.

        • Richard Finzel

          Then it is simple. You as a customer have the option to “opt out.” I am not kissing their butt, but I am just saying for everything that is given to a customer as “free” there is a drawback somewhere. Nothing in this world free. It is all part of a give and take and exchange this for that.

        • logical

          you do understand that spectrum is a finite commodity. it’s not like ANY carrier has UNLIMITED spectrum to offer UNLIMITED data to every single person in the country, right?

        • Otto

          You can “feel” anything you want, but the *fact* is that 720p takes double the bandwidth (using youtube as a benchmark), so declaring that giving you something for free is a fail because it doesn’t meet your arbitrary standard is why people are telling you to go find a better deal somewhere else if you’re not happy.

          The reason T-mobile is offering 480p for free is they are essentially saying, “we’ll let you stream this for free if you’re willing to watch this video at a lower rate to help keep our network congestion low. If you’d like to watch a higher res version, feel free to pay the regular price.”

        • Chris Siegell

          I think also that T-Mobile may have gone about BingeOn the wrong way. The main services that people use are YouTube, Netflix, Amazon, and ESPN. It seems like T-Mobile should have just concentrated on the prementioned services only to limit the network congestion and had given video support up to 720p. Then T-Mobile would enable other video streaming services as they have available bandwidth.

          But yes, you may have a point for the amount of services that T-Mobile have implemented that a limit of 420p is necessary for now.

    • Fabian Cortez

      480p or more per their press release.

    • taxandspend

      “480p is not optimized for a mobile screen.”

      What video is? With all the different display resolutions out there on Android, plus the strange Apple resolutions, what format exactly is “optimized for a mobile screen”? The bottom line is, that 480 vertical pixels with a decent compression will look great on your phone.

    • logical

      i think you are looking at the floor and not the ceiling. as data compression improves (codecs) and bandwidth (backhaul) its possible that the resolution and bitrate will go up. i have unlimited data though, so this doesn’t affect me at all

  • anon

    prime instant video

  • bc n

    does this include those on the $30 prepaid plan?

    • guest

      People are saying it’s free. I guess they are giving it to anyone who asks.

      /Sarcasm/

    • matt

      they told me no. they said you will get 3x the regular amount of video for your plan, but you will not see ffee usage. I’m planning on waiting till the 19th and then going to my mobile and see if its there. i think “data stash” is a requirement for the video streaming and plans without “data stash” are ineligible for free video streaming.

    • Jonathan S. Flores

      is only for the people that pay for data!!

  • Fuuuuuuuuu

    All you whiners about Binge On @ 720x480p need to shut up and listen for a minute.

    I’m a simple choice unlimited customer.

    I use a LOT of data every month. At least 30 gigs. When I peak over 23GB of usage during my cycle, T-Mobile has throttled (de-prioritized, for you picky fools) me a couple times to 3G speeds in congested areas. Fine. Not mad about that. But, I can’t stream S*** on those speeds, let alone 480p.

    Now, because of Binge On, I can still keep streaming video at a consistent 480p minimum, and completely ignore the throttling (sigh…de-prioritizing blah blah) that’s happening to my high speed data.

    It’s a win-win. Yeah, it’s not HD, but this is A BRAND NEW PROGRAM, FOLKS.

    And, you can turn it off, as Legere said. So seriously, calm the hell down people. It’ll only get better over time. This is a starting point, because I’m sure they are testing the waters. Even at 480p, I bet the network load is gonna be pretty impressive. In a few years when the network is fleshed out more, I’m sure they’ll up this to higher resolutions.

    And let’s get something straight here. I don’t give two flying shits about whether that episode of Futurama I’m streaming is 480 vs 1080p. It’s a TV show. While I’m out. Free with my plan. Not counting against my soft cap of 23GB. Awesome!

    You ungrateful turds. If you think that a provider would offer free HD streaming without testing network load with lower resolutions first, you’re a fool. If they released HD streaming for free right off the bat, with T-Mobile’s infrastructure the way it is currently, the whole network would crumble overnight because people would abuse the s*** out of it and never turn their WiFi on. Duh.

    • James Sisay

      Preach brother, preach!

    • Fabian Cortez

      480p or more and you can opt out if you choose.

      Also, try not to equate throttling to deprioritization. They are two different things.

      Throttling: DUI check point between certain hours at night (timeframe) for everyone on all uncongested highways, road, streets, etc. The slow down is there for everyone no matter what.

      Deprioritization: Congested highway (only) due to rush hour where emergency vehicles (non unlimited subs.) get prioritized by traveling through the side lanes. Emergency vehicles get through but experience less of a slowdown compared to others, though the slow down exists. The slow down lets up as traffic eases or if you’re on a different road, no slowdown exists.

    • logical

      can i ask what you are doing to use 30gigs per month? i find that much data astonishing. then again, if you have say, two hour commutes, and you’re watchng netflix or something on the train i get it.

  • Greg Brady

    Does the binge on plan include the option of binging on Legere’s luscious neck? Though I realize I will be competing with Fabian to do so.

  • Mike Palomba

    The network is going to slow down a lot. Think of all the people that will use this new offering.

    • Fuuuuuuuuu

      It’ll be fine with 480p streaming most likely.

      Now, imagine if they had announced free 1080p streaming. THAT would be a disaster to the current infrastructure.

    • Richard Finzel

      Just a FYI most generally 480p video uses at most 3Mbps. Most of the time streaming services have optimized the video stream to get 480p to stream at 1.5Mbps. So in essence data speeds wont be effected as much as you think.

  • Randall Lind

    I didn’t even think Netflix did 480 any more?

    • Mario Muriel

      they changed the last ad says 480p or better so we can expect even 1080p possible.

  • warpwiz

    Amazon Prime is a notable exception. I’ve gotten hooked on 3-4 TV series only offered there. Glad I still have unlimited data.

    • Jesse

      I believe they are working on Amazon. As previously stated by John Legere that Amazon will be on Music Freedom soon. Some sort of technical difficulty with the data

      • logical

        prime music SUCKS. thank god i got google music when it was 7.99

  • Jonathan S. Flores

    if you don’t like it, then get unlimited data, if you can’t afford it because is too expensive you can’t and should not get a smart phone. they got their $30 unlimited text and calls on prepaid. or go to metro, cricket, etc. ohh wait the speeds are throttle there danmzzz

    • Chris

      yeah, I have truly unlimited data so when they announced this. I wasn’t really excited haha.

  • Jonathan S. Flores

    all of this people complaining should go get an obama phone.

    • History 101

      President Regan created the first Lifeline Assistance program for low income families, so please, stop with the Obama phone.

      • dontsh00tmesanta

        obama extended it to cell phones

        • emcdonald75

          Which makes sense as technology progresses.

        • skywalkr2

          Wireless is much more expensive than landline… so in a country mired in debt… it makes no sense.

        • emcdonald75

          No it’s not. Show me proof that switching low cost families to wireless adds more to the debt compared to landlines. If anything, companies love it because they are upgrading those lines to support more wireless capabilities. The minutes are low and the phone’s abilities are limited. We are not talking about iPhones and fancy androids. The goal is to help people with job searches and emergencies. What adds to the debt is giving these corps more tax reductions and loopholes to avoid paying taxes. This is just an evolution of the lifeline program. If it wasn’t President Obama, it would have been another president, but I know we are living in Bizarro World, so to make you happy, “Obama bad,” in my caveman voice. Lol.

        • skywalkr2

          The butthurt is strong in you.

        • emcdonald75

          It’s not about being butthurt. It’s about people saying things as fact when it is only an opinion. There is nothing wrong with you having opinions but don’t talk like they’re facts. That’s why I asked for proof. What’s wrong with me asking for proof?

        • logical

          i wouldn’t say it adds to debt, we pay a tax on our phone bills dont we? that being said, it should be used to get a job, not share facebook posts

        • emcdonald75

          I agree.

        • TylerCameron

          OUR phone plans are more expensive than a landline because we have things like gigabytes of data packages, mobile hotspot, etc. But a cell phone plan with 450-500 minutes costs about $20/month, about the same as a landline. And we all know for a fact that the government isn’t paying the companies $20/month per phone.

        • dontsh00tmesanta

          Nah no one who is in need of such a program NEEDs a cellphone

        • emcdonald75

          That’s doesn’t mean a homeless person received an iPhone due to the lifeline program, that’s just scare tactics. And million/billion dollar companies don’t need tax cuts either but we do for those we are enslaved too. Mobility is a good thing for low cost families, it adds in job search, opportunity and emergency causes. It literally helps people to become mobile, work and pay for better services on their own. Your twisted logic doesn’t change that. You are not in a position to tell people what they need. Your opinion on this matter is worthless. It literally doesn’t serve anyone, but makes you look like a scrooge.

        • dontsh00tmesanta

          Means homeless people bought their own phones……

          If they can anyone can and lifeline for cell phones isn’t necessary a landline is all someone needs

        • emcdonald75

          That’s. Your. Opinion. You see a homeless person with a cellphone and think that their ability to purchase a cellphone should apply to everyone that has low income. Many people make horrible judgment calls with their priority of needs. That program is necessary to help low income families. Give me a statistic or any ounce of proof it hasn’t helped anyone.

        • dontsh00tmesanta

          Again cell phones are not necessary, landlines are.

          Give me any ounce of proof OBAMA CELL PHONES are a necessity please

        • emcdonald75

          I’m still waiting on proof that the REAGAN LIFELINE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM THAT EVOLVED TO WHAT THE IGNORANT LIKES TO CALL OBAMA PHONES is not necessary. I have told you about their use during and for emergencies, job search and mobility distinctions and how most wireless companies like the fact that people are not tied to landlines as they upgrade their infrastructure to support more wireless capabilities. I have told you that this is an evolution of the lifeline program and a natural evolution of technology as more wireless spectrum is being allocated from the government to wireless companies. I don’t know what else you want to hear that will take you out of being stuck in the past and to bring you into the future progress of technology. Your opinion is just that an opinion. Move on already. I’m sure more people look forward to your hillbilly insight.

        • dontsh00tmesanta

          Still waiting on proof CELL PHONES ARE A NECESSITY…….guess you have none

        • TylerCameron

          I’m still waiting on proof that landlines are a necessity.

        • dontsh00tmesanta

          Nothing yet huh? Please post here where you do

        • dontsh00tmesanta

          Still nothing huh? I can wait

        • dontsh00tmesanta

          guess you have none. its ok

        • TylerCameron

          Right back at ya! Guess you have no proof that landlines are a necessity.
          Cell phones are more necessary than landlines because:
          You’re not limited to using a phone that’s at a fixed location (pretty important if you’re homeless)
          Costs about the same to operate, sometimes less!
          Voice quality is even sometimes better.
          More features for about the same price.

          Tell me again why the Lifeline program doesn’t need to be extended to mobile phones?…

        • dontsh00tmesanta

          no proof just more speculation eh?

          So I find that when I am on the toilet I can read

        • TylerCameron

          What am I speculating about.
          And you haven’t proved that a landline is a necessity, as you said earlier.
          No one NEEDS either to live.

        • dontsh00tmesanta

          Still going on without evidence huh

        • TylerCameron

          Actually, I gave proof. You’re obviously just a troll.

        • dontsh00tmesanta

          You only have your opinion with no sources

          Troll

        • TylerCameron

          How does that work? How is a landline more necessary than a cell phone? Because cell phones are more advanced? Is that it?

        • dontsh00tmesanta

          Please explain in detail further I am excited to read your response

        • TylerCameron

          Why would anyone need a landline? It doesn’t cost more to operate a cell phone vs. a landline, so why are you of that opinion?
          Also, explain to me how a homeless person can have a landline. This isn’t 1990, landlines don’t make sense and don’t cost less than cell phones anymore.

        • dontsh00tmesanta

          Hell I seen homeless peeps with iPhones lol

  • Panzer

    Is the $70 unlimited plan exempt from the double hotspot data or the vudu free movie per month?

  • Ray

    I find it interesting that Sling TV is offering T-Mobile customers a 30% discount or the first year. Rumors have flown about a T-Mobile/Dish merger. Sling TV is owned by Dish. Coincidence?

    • Jesse

      Its to compete with ATT while offering an alternative that costs less.

    • Chuck E Cheese

      What is interesting is there is both Sling TV & Sling Box but not Dish Anywhere on bingeOn

      • BOlieve in AJ’s EMMAlution

        Well they also added AT&T owned DirecTV To Go also.

  • Chuck E Cheese

    Who ever here does not have unlimited data & has a data stash, please twiiter bomb @JohnLegere @SievertMike @braxtoncarter that capping data stash to 20gb if you don’t opt out of bingeOn is a Shady move & is not uncarrier.

    #BingeOn helps tmobile equally with network management and the more people that are “optimizing” video streams the better their network. So why the need to “steal” from our data stash

    Check out the twiiter bombs this morning from @madhatman. We all need to do the same using #bingeOn #datastash.

  • Bob Bobertson

    Confused by the amount of people that are concerned about Data Stash….if you never use the data and it just gets stashed then why do you care about it being capped at 20gb? What emergency are you going to have that requires an extra 30gb or 100gb, etc? This is not a “shady move” if T-Mobile is attempting to give you more and better benefits. I can almost guarantee you that they know what the average Data Stash user actually uses and have come in above that average with the 20gb limit. I don’t see any carriers out there that are willing to match what T-Mobile is doing for their customers. Nothing will ever be the best option for every consumer, however, when there is real injustice being done consumers should speak up. This is not one of those times.

    • dtam

      I’ve come to the conclusion that some people just want to be mad about something

      • maximus1901

        I hate the shade of magenta TMO is using! It should have one more bit of red! Lol

    • BOlieve in AJ’s EMMAlution

      Not that I actually have any data left at the end of the month to put in Data Stash, but I can tell you that last time a hurricane came to visit New Orleans I used almost 5gb of data in 5 days. (And of course Verizon charged me for every GB I went over my 2gb limit.) So if I was actually stashing data, I’d want more than 20gb just in case my electricity (or AT&T DSL) goes out for an extended amount of time.

      • ishaih

        if you’re data is used up by video streaming services, you might have some left over now to stash.

      • TylerCameron

        Wait… why would a Verizon customer not have unlimited data? People stopped getting new Verizon plans when Verizon stopped offering unlimited data. And people stopped using upgrades because they’re smarter than that and all have unlimited data.

        • BOlieve in AJ’s EMMAlution

          I got off my mom’s plan right after they got rid on unlimited.

  • skywalkr2

    My family is on the 10gb plan… and have no intention of every streaming video. I literally do not know why anyone would. Facebook, instragram, vine, snapchat, youtube, etc Yes. But not these other services.

  • SEBA

    Just curious how come they didn’t mention new prices. 1 line with unlimited data $95! Simple choice it’s no longer simple.

    • Joe Owens

      Still $80. Not sure where that number came from.

      • SEBA

        Double check new plans. I’m paying $20 for ulimited data, then went up to $30 and now $45

        • Joe Owens

          $30 is still the highest data plan unless you want more tethering. $20 is grandfathered and it changed over a year ago. There is no $45 data plan.

        • SEBA

          Check the link above….

        • Joe Owens

          That’s is not a T-Mobile site and it’s not correct. $45 is the cost per line with unlimited data when a customer takes advantage of the family match program. It’s not the the cost of the data feature. Still $30 and will be Sunday too.

        • maximus1901

          Nope. Ask tmobilehelp on twitter

        • SEBA

          No need for that, I can tell him that…. wait a minute i already did. Some people are so naive and will never get it. $95 plus $30 phone and taxes its a lot of money for single line.

        • Daniel Marchand

          True, so get a cheaper plan… no one is making you get unlimited… considering the large bundles of data T-Mobile is offering how many people truely will need more then 10 or 20GB/mo….especially with music and video freedom?

        • SEBA

          Dude, I’m paying 20 for ulimited data, why you should pay 45? Trying to point in which direction tmobile it’s heading. Next thing you know there will be no more ulimited data plans, maybe they will force ppl to carry their new personal lte cell tower everywhere we go. They are going backwards.

        • Daniel Marchand

          Yes writings on the wall… T-Mobile themselves said it’s probably not sustainable for unlimited plans, being on an unlimited plan I can see reason for concern. I’m on a 2.5GB line and it’s good enough… the other trend I’m sure you noticed to is T-Mobile is baiting on those of us with cheap older plans to increase ARPU’s – I’ll admit it’s attractive, 10GB/line vs. my 2.5GB line for only $35 more a month ($120 for 4 lines vs. $85 with 15% discount – NA promo doesn’t qualify for discounts)… they switch gears from offering cheaper and cheaper plans to offering more and more stuff for an attractive price (compared to the competition). So far I’ve resisted the bait, no going back down in cost if I do. T-Mobile is effectively doing warehouse store deals now – get 10GB (or 10lbs of oranges in a Costco analogy) for an awesome low price!! Price per GB is great, but if you’re the type that never uses it all anyway…

        • maximus1901

          Again nope. Is post a link here but the einsteins that run this blog haven’t heard of whitelisting.

      • logical

        the new plans are going up in price.

      • SEBA
      • maximus1901

        Nope it’s $95. Tmobilehelp confirmed.

        • Daniel Marchand

          Just get the $80 plan before it goes up, it’s STILL $80! http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phone-plans/individual.html
          It’s not like T-Moible is saying everyone on unlimited will have to start paying $95/mo… they are changing prices for new customers only. They did it before ($70 up to $80)… with these high data packages offered now like 10 and 20GB plans I can’t see a large number of people truely needing more then that each month aside from those using their phone as home internet (which it’s not intended for) or people who just really want reassurance that they will never run out of high speed data…

    • SAM FERNANDEZ

      the price only will change if you migrate or change to the new SIMPLE CHOICE AMPED plan .. if you like your current plan just keep it …

    • Daniel Marchand

      I agree, when I switched it just changed from simple choice 1, 3, unlimited – just went to 1, 3, 5, unlimited… it was very simple, then the flood gates of promotional plans came ($100 unlimited for 2 lines, 2.5GB/ea line min. 4 lines, 10 and 20GB north america promo, now Amped plans…), I can totally understand why T-Mobile employees even have a hard time keeping it all straight… to many promos, each with their own special terms, rules, features… they forced everyone to migrate onto simple choice to simplify all their billing/cs, etc. and now it’s getting messy again.

    • SMH

      Get out your dictionary and use it. It is still simple… If you pay attention they call it “Simple Choice”… the did not call it “Cheapest Choice”

  • john.legere@t-mobile.com

    New pricing starts on Nov 15th, Johnny sure didn’t mention that!
    Screw over new customers, just like all the verizon, at&t and sprint.
    A typical carrier move.
    Send those complaints to: john.legere@t-mobile.com,

    • Marketing Strategies…

      Thanks and I agree, send any suggestions and/or concerns to John Legere. He really does read and above all, listen to his customer base. In summary, I think they are running out of creative marketing strategies….

      • Lilceezz

        It’s available to new and existing customers as well so I’m not sure how tmobile is screwing over anyone?

  • pseudoswede

    Who ever else is on the Select Choice FAM UNL TT 50 or 60 plan, I confirmed this morning that lines with at least the $10 3GB package are eligible for BingeON. These plans, on the other hand, are not eligible for double data/Family Match.

    • SAM FERNANDEZ

      I have the Select Choice FAM UNL TT 50 and i check with T-Mobile ..this is a legacy plan and the new features do not work with this plan … if you want double data or family match you have to change your plan .. and i really do not recommend for you to do that because your plan not to many customer have it and if you do the math .. you are going to save a lot of money with your current plan …

  • Letty Runs

    You lunkheads are all confused about this binge thing. Until those marketing guys got ahold of my idea, binge meant fill the damn stores with Twinkies, Debbie’s Honeybuns, Lays BBQ, and those rib sandwiches with the fake bones thing stamped into them.

    The idea was — buy some LG’s — eat the free crud — then maybe my elite-trained staff could get you to buy an over-priced bluetooth or two.

    Good Lord — do I have to do everything? Now it’s off to Experian headquarters. Pink bullhorn and time-tested jokes about class action suits sounds like a fun evening to me.

    Did I mention — my last stock sale netted 17.8 million? My kids want a poodle for Christmas, but I told them a shelter dog will do. Those flippin’ brats think money grows on trees.

    • Tmobile Marketing Efforts…

      Someone needs a life…seriously!

  • Philip

    If I get on DirecTV, dont I end up getting even more channels thru DirecTV? Funny, why is evil Comcast not included?

  • Dracono

    And no Twitch or Vimeo.

    • SAM FERNANDEZ

      because Twitch or Vimeo .. have to meet T-Mobile technical criteria before they can be on BINGE ON …

  • Jimmy James

    How do we enable or disable this feature? In an app or in our account settings?

    • SAM FERNANDEZ

      in the mean time call customer service and they be able to help you with that .. I have unlimited data on all of my lines on my account .. i’m just going to tried BINGE ON just to see how that goes before i decide to turn it off …

    • faqu2to

      Under your t-mobile account settings is where you disable. Logged onto the website

    • ZW

      The option is in your MY T-MOBILE.

  • Well

    Well, I upgraded to 2gb for the same price as 1gb, but I don’t get Binge on, so at least I got something more. So, I guess it’s not all a price increase trick on TMO part.

  • Bruce

    Awesome, now my service will be even slower than it is now.

  • Baxter DeBerry

    this apply to tmobile prepaid to I guess?

  • Jimmy James

    I was unable to watch YouTube 720p or 1080p videos, without it freezing and starting again every minute. Watching at 480p was fine. I am sure this is related to something with BingeOn, even though it is not supposed to be a part of BingeOn yet.

    • ZW

      If you have binge on enabled it prioritizes ALL VIDEO to maximize speed. The only way to go back to 720p or 1080p would be to go into your MY T-Mobile account and turn it OFF.

  • stuman74

    I just did a small test where I streamed SportsCenter via the ESPN app. 10 minutes used 93.5 MB data. Quality seemed just fine to me. Does that streaming rate of about 9.5 MB/minute seem about right with that BingeOn activated? I did not test prior to enabling it.

    • Cam Fas

      Look at my comment above.

      • stuman74

        Also, I didn’t add before, my plan is a grandfathered plan. My understanding is that with BingeOn activated, I should be using only about 1/3 of the normal streaming rate compared to a full-res stream. If what I am seeing on my iPhone 6s really is 480p, it looks much better than I had anticipated. ~10 MB/minute may be the reduced stream consumption rate which would be great I guess.

        • Cam Fas

          The quality is quite good much better then I would of thought I ended up watching netflix thru all of my breaks at work yesterday on my iPad I got one movie in with downtime. Ended up using about 150 megs all day long with browsing and Facebook along with heart radio part of the music freedom. So I think its great plus the LTE in vegas is much better then the airport wifi. I noticed the speeds have been better since they activated binge on demand.

  • Cam Fas

    I think I know what uses the data on binge. I will test this today I ran all sorts of tests yesterday and it didn’t cross my mind to test another. The video is free inside an included app say for netflix. Binge makes the video stream itself free. Whats appearing to not be free is the data incurred while navigating inside of the app. So say your scroll up or down and change pages inside the netflix app all of that data is not video so it will use the data but once you press play the actual video stream itself is free. I will try navigating apps while on wifi and once the video plays I will log off wifi and check the data on my phone and I pad over and over.

  • Mkjones

    If I qualify for Binge on and I use Mobile hotspot to connect my Visio smart tv to watch Netflix, will count towards my data, mobile hotspot data, or not at all?

    • T Redd

      Its still been eating my data up.. Keep an eye out.

    • Wallace_Whiting

      Will count toward you WiFi teether allotment!

    • sbeeson

      Just got off the phone with T-Mobile, they said it WILL COUNT against your data from a smart tv or roku device. I am not happy.

      • Qa Tester

        Does the binge on device have to be 4G compatible to qualify? If not, what if i have mobile hotspot subscription with binge. netflix (or any of the binge compatible channels) is running on my laptop and the laptop is connected to smart tv via hdmi cable. Can I use binge on in that way?

  • ZW

    “The video is free inside an included app say for netflix. Binge makes the video stream itself free. Whats appearing to not be free is the data incurred while navigating inside of the app” THIS!!

    • Mkjones

      Exactly… So I am using my allotted data when I tether my TV to watch Netflix but at a much slower rate than I did before Binge on.

  • Joe M.

    Is anyone having issues with Watch Espn? I’m finding that it’s still counting towards my data allotment

  • todd

    Can I play it on my computer in a browser? Can I now cut my cable cord and use tmobile’s internet signal for my whole house? so far we have 7 numbers, 5 of which are actual phones, 2 are tablet/ipad devices. I’d like to cut the cable for good.

  • Chris Ferry

    Why is Amazon video not included?