Guest Post: Explaining The “Value” In Value Plan

Editor note: This guest post was written by a T-Mobile employee with hope of encouraging T-Mobile customers to select a Value plan by seeing the real “value” in your choice. With Saturday’s sale focused on Value plans we hope that this post will better explain to you what a Value plan is, why you might want to select it and if you can save money by choosing it. Standard Disclaimer: The views expressed in this guest blog do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of TmoNews.

 

There has been a lot of skepticism and backfire when it comes to T-Mobiles Value Plans and I believe the cause or blame lies on improper advertising and explanation. The lack of advertising and explanation has caused a lot of confusion and made consumers along with readers here very weary of the new rate plans.

To get straight to the point, people are used to the Classic plans, better known as the way rate plans have been done for years. With a classic plan you select a rate plan and receive a phone at the a discounted price, generally somewhere between free and $200. I apologize for all the numbers ahead of time.  The following examples will all be examined using up to date plans and pricing, using nothing grandfathered as there would be too many options and too many plans to compare. DISCLAIMER: These are all prices directly from the companies not retailers.

T-Mobile(Classic)-This is what all customers are used to. An HTC Sensation 4G on this plan costs $199 up front and is your overall cost for the device. With an unlimited everything plan(2GB Data) the plan is $79.99 per month.

T-Mobile(Value)-Now this one is where it gets tricky. The same phone costs $199 as a Down Payment and $499 total. Now before discovering the phone costs five hundred dollars, let’s try to see the other side of it. Value Plans lower the cost of your price plan and features.You also finance the full price of your device with no interest. The payments are split into 20 months that range from $5 to $15 depending on the price point of the phone. In the case of the sensation it is $15. The same Monthly rate plan as above but on a Value plan is $59.99 per month. When you combine the monthly plan and the price of the phone on the installment plan you end up at a total of $74.99.

BUT WAIT THE PHONE STILL COSTS $499. That is true but if you do the math, you are saving $5 per month for 20 months. At the 20th month you will be done paying off the phone and your price point will lower to $59.99 saving you $20 per month for the last 4 months. The total savings over the 2 years is $180. To some people this might not be worth paying the total cost of a phone over time, but every dollar counts.

The example that I use is just one phone example. That is the highest end phone T-Mobile has with the highest EIP. If you purchased a mid end phone with an EIP of $10, then your savings over two years would be $280. If you purchased a low end phone with an EIP $5 then your savings over two years would be $380. If you choose to do a family plan the savings double.

Comparing Data and Family plans from classic to Value- Family plan add a lines on classic can be either unlimited or 500 minute line. A 500 Minute add a line is $10 per month with the 2GB data for $20, making a total $30 for the additional line. With Value it can either be the same price or lower depending on the phone you are looking to purchase. If you are looking to add a top of the line phone as the Sensation then you would be looking to pay $5 per month for the line, however the same data feature is only $10 instead of $20 providing another reason why Value plans are great. Plus the installment payment of $15 bringing your total up to $30 maximum, once again depending on the phone you purchase.

The savings are there plain and simple…but not for everyone. Due to those darn migration fees.

Migration Fees- These are assessed based on contract tenure NOT upgrade tenure. This is like a cancellation fee. To go to a Value plan you are essentially canceling your current contract to switch to a different one. Although I believe it should not be viewed as that or represented as that, it is what it is. Anytime after 9 months into a classic plan one may switch to a Value plan, at 9 month tenure one would have a $200 migration fee. Every 3 months that migration fee will be lowered by $50. At one year to 15 months left you have $150, at 9 months to a year left $100, at 6 months to 9 months you have $50, anytime under 6 months you are free to switch over with no penalty. Anyone on Even More Plus plans automatically qualifies to switch over to a Value plan. This is where you would have to do the math, is paying that migration fee worth the savings?If you are paying about $100 per month I would say yes definitely because the savings would out do the cost in 8 months maximum(if you had a $200 migration). For others who are paying less the savings would take longer and not necessarily benefit them.

Other Carriers- This is a price comparison of all major carriers, using the same price point of the device at $199 and the unlimited plans(2GB DATA). Mainly for those readers and posts I’ve seen about switching companies.

Sprint- Galaxy S 2 is $199, monthly plan for unlimited plan is $79.99. The savings with a T-Mobile Value Plan is $180 over 2 year period. Editors note: Someone reminded us that this $79.99 plan doesn’t account for the $10 surcharge for 4G phones on Sprint. 

At&t- iPhone 4 is $199, monthly plan is $114.99(2GB data). The savings with a T-Mobile Value Plan is $1,020 over 2 years. The Savings with a T-Mobile Classic plan are $840 over two years.

Verizon- A Droid X2 is $199, monthly plan is $119.99(2GB data). The savings with a T-Mobile Value Plan is $1,140 over 2 years. The savings with a T-Mobile Classic Plan is $960 over two years.

Not only is T-Mobile more affordable but I can speak from experience from working for all 4 carriers at some point, T-Mobile treats their employees the best and has by far the best customer service, you don’t have to agree but there are awards out there proving so. *Cough* J.D. Power & Associates  *cough*.

There you have it folks, hope some of you come out to the stores this Saturday the 24th for two amazing sales, to save some money and get some great deals on the best phones and accessories T-Mobile has to offer.

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  • Anonymous

    Everyone should have done this math based on their individual situations long time ago. Nice article though… Now allow me to address a really nagging issue right f*cking now:

    For weeks, this site has been bombarded by spam from jerseymall..org

    Can anyone locate the origin server and take a baseball bat to that Pentium 4 box ( I know it’s a cheap old comp, either a P4 or a 10 yeard old emachines comp) Oh, and don’t forget to wear one of their $21 sport jerseys when you do.

    Next, I want the son of gun behind that site chained, starved, tortured and brought before me so I can look him in the eye and ask him if he will ever spam again…

  • Piff

    That last guy sounds like a bitter At&t rep that’s sick and tired of people leaving iPhone for Android;  leaving At&t for T-Mo. And either way, people have ALWAYS used iPhone on T-Mobile and they will continue to do it with the iPhone 5. T-Mobile not only supports the iPhone Data, but they will even assist you in setting up the proper APN settings, so your iPhone’s Picture Messaging and web Browser (apps too) work properly on T-Mobile’s network. They even have a department in technical support dedicated to serve the over 1 Million customers currently using the iPhone with T-Mobile. Now remember, all the current iPhone Bands are only compatible with T-Mobile’s EDGE network (2G), verses Verizon’s and At&t’s 3G network (Yes, the iPhone “4″ is a only 3G device, not “4G”). The Value Plan savings for an At&t customer that pays $114.99 a month is $1320 over two years. Therefore an At&t customer can unlock their iPhone and sign up for T-Mobile and continue to use their existing phone. But wait? Don’t I have to buy a phone? No. All you need is a SIM card. T-Mobile even offers the MicroSIM specifically for customers activating the iPhone 4. Why the hell would ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE, use the iPhone on At&t and pay $114.99 a month, for 2GB Data with OVERAGES!!!! (yes “overages”, that’s the crap on your statement that makes you do the “WTF” face; the features that cost extra because they are not including in your plan.) At&t’s Overage rates are $10/Each 1GB. With T-Mobile their are no overages when you choose the 2GB Full Speed data plan. On T-Mobile, if you pass the 2GB Data, there is no extra cost at all and you will still be able to use unlimited data at EDGE speeds. Let’s face it, if speed was that important then you wouldn’t be using an iPhone, you would have a 4G phone. Most people use WiFi anyways, and therefore they don’t even use that much network data, and never have to worry about speeds or usage against their allotted monthly GBs. Matter of fact, with an iPhone, you don’t even need to have a data plan at all with T-Mobile’s Value Plan (perfect for you cheap bastards that never wanna pay for data!!!). But what the hell is the purpose of that when you can save so much $$$$ and still have Data included in you Value Plan with T-Mobile? No matter what, iPhone customers always go to T-Mobile. They can deal with WiFi and EDGE, and have no problem saving over $55 Bucks a month. Family plans save even more. 

  • Piff

    That last guy sounds like a bitter At&t rep that’s sick and tired of people leaving iPhone for Android;  leaving At&t for T-Mo. And either way, people have ALWAYS used iPhone on T-Mobile and they will continue to do it with the iPhone 5. T-Mobile not only supports the iPhone Data, but they will even assist you in setting up the proper APN settings, so your iPhone’s Picture Messaging and web Browser (apps too) work properly on T-Mobile’s network. They even have a department in technical support dedicated to serve the over 1 Million customers currently using the iPhone with T-Mobile. Now remember, all the current iPhone Bands are only compatible with T-Mobile’s EDGE network (2G), verses Verizon’s and At&t’s 3G network (Yes, the iPhone “4″ is a only 3G device, not “4G”). The Value Plan savings for an At&t customer that pays $114.99 a month is $1320 over two years. Therefore an At&t customer can unlock their iPhone and sign up for T-Mobile and continue to use their existing phone. But wait? Don’t I have to buy a phone? No. All you need is a SIM card. T-Mobile even offers the MicroSIM specifically for customers activating the iPhone 4. Why the hell would ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE, use the iPhone on At&t and pay $114.99 a month, for 2GB Data with OVERAGES!!!! (yes “overages”, that’s the crap on your statement that makes you do the “WTF” face; the features that cost extra because they are not including in your plan.) At&t’s Overage rates are $10/Each 1GB. With T-Mobile their are no overages when you choose the 2GB Full Speed data plan. On T-Mobile, if you pass the 2GB Data, there is no extra cost at all and you will still be able to use unlimited data at EDGE speeds. Let’s face it, if speed was that important then you wouldn’t be using an iPhone, you would have a 4G phone. Most people use WiFi anyways, and therefore they don’t even use that much network data, and never have to worry about speeds or usage against their allotted monthly GBs. Matter of fact, with an iPhone, you don’t even need to have a data plan at all with T-Mobile’s Value Plan (perfect for you cheap bastards that never wanna pay for data!!!). But what the hell is the purpose of that when you can save so much $$$$ and still have Data included in you Value Plan with T-Mobile? No matter what, iPhone customers always go to T-Mobile. They can deal with WiFi and EDGE, and have no problem saving over $55 Bucks a month. Family plans save even more. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LESSKDMYDSGYNC67UDHXCHSEMI Justin

    My problem with this sale is the mail in rebates. They are just insulting! Companies plan on a certain percentage of people not redeeming the rebates, or messing up their forms and therefore becoming ineligible. It’s a cheap, disgusting practice! I have no respect for any company that uses these tactics to sell their product.

    Take away your argument of the cost savings on the plan, you are still paying up front the full “down payment” at the time of sale, so I find this sale to be a joke!

    • Piff

      Dude you can get back a $100… are u serious? Don’t be mad because you cant write within the boxes in the rebate form… with enough practice im sure you can get it….

    • BDog

      Never had a problem with my rebates

    • Anonymous

      Not to mention that the company is earning interest on the money you’ve given them. Waiting months to get your “discount” is not enticing to me. I’d prefer my dicount at the till.

  • bobby

    so basically the value plan is the shiznets and there are going to be crazy mail in rebates on saturday only with value plans… nice

  • Ross

    They’re not doing a great job of advertising this.  If I hadn’t checked a tech website, I would have known nothing.  How hard can it be to at least email or text your existing customer base.  Management’s decisions just make no sense to me.  This also reminds me of an article that I read discussing the ATT merger and saying how Tmob was being squeezed at both ends.  People at the high end who want the best phones or iPhones go for Att and Verizon and consider Tmobile a lower end brand.  People who are interested in value go for the cheaper $50 unlimited plans from the minor carriers.  Tmobile is left in the middle with no clear market.  The high end think they are too low brow and the frugals think they’re too expensive.  In the meantime, their brand and customer service reputation has really suffered and as evidenced by post after post on here, they have alienated their existing customer base time and time again.  I wish someone in management would read blog posts like these and recognize all the things they’re doing wrong.  At least try to retain your current customers – in stead they keep losing more

  • Ross

    They’re not doing a great job of advertising this.  If I hadn’t checked a tech website, I would have known nothing.  How hard can it be to at least email or text your existing customer base.  Management’s decisions just make no sense to me.  This also reminds me of an article that I read discussing the ATT merger and saying how Tmob was being squeezed at both ends.  People at the high end who want the best phones or iPhones go for Att and Verizon and consider Tmobile a lower end brand.  People who are interested in value go for the cheaper $50 unlimited plans from the minor carriers.  Tmobile is left in the middle with no clear market.  The high end think they are too low brow and the frugals think they’re too expensive.  In the meantime, their brand and customer service reputation has really suffered and as evidenced by post after post on here, they have alienated their existing customer base time and time again.  I wish someone in management would read blog posts like these and recognize all the things they’re doing wrong.  At least try to retain your current customers – in stead they keep losing more

  • Daghost

    Great article. I hope to see more guest artices soon. The biggest error of the whole value vs classic thingis the migration fee. Wth? Why should i pay a migration fee if im not leaving the network? $200? Really? There is no justification for that high fee.

  • Daghost

    Great article. I hope to see more guest artices soon. The biggest error of the whole value vs classic thingis the migration fee. Wth? Why should i pay a migration fee if im not leaving the network? $200? Really? There is no justification for that high fee.

    • CRT24

      The migration fee, for the 85th time is because of the discount on the phone that you may have just received…..the value plans do not come with phone discounts and are much less expensive so the migration fee is to make up for the subsidy that you just received in exchange for lowering your bill…..if you are 6 months into your contract and switch to the value then you would save 360.00 over the next 18 months on your plan costs which is more than the 200.00 ETF….get it yet?? You don’t get a discount on a phone and then get to turn around and switch to plan that everyone else had to pay full price for a phone and not have some type of fee to do so……actually it would he cheaper to do it that way…..get the sensation on classic for 200.00 after Mir then switch to value with 200.00 ETF then you only paid 400.00 for the phone instead of 500.00 and you have the cheaper plan. There is your justification for the fee…..but I’m sure it will have to be explained again and again until you finally get it.

  • Matthew Callender

    My only problem with the value plans is that say you buy that sensation and 6 months later for whatever reason need to cancel not only do you owe the remaining balance of your EIP ($210) you also owe a cancellation fee of $200. Also I can see why TMO wants you to sign a new contract when you switch to the value plans but once you are on it and want to purchase a new phone…bam new contract! No reduced MRC or phone cost. I think TMO needs to give the option to pay full price up front for your device with no contract because they have been losing a lot of Even More Plus customers because prepay is now the only no contract option.

    • CRT24

      It’s the same concept as getting a full discount for a phone on the classic plan every 2 years…..up to 12 months into your contract you don’t get any discount on a phone and have to pay full price anyway.

    • W3m1975

      wrong about the new contract with the new phone, the only time you get a new contract on those plans is when you change between different value plans.

      • Tmo

        On value plans you can purchase phones at anytime, no need to wait for a discount cause you dont get one. And your contract is reset everytime you purchase a phone thru EIP

  • Bob

    1 – no way I will go from an even more plus plan with no contract and unlimited data to a limited data and contract plan where I have to pay full price for my phone

    2 – Tmo hard sold me on my even more plus deal and if I remember right I had to pay money for the privilege of converting

    3 – quit changing plans and services every time the wind blows

    4 – when the the stupid tower transitions going to be finished?! I am tired of dropping calls like I am already on the AT&T network!

    • http://ashn.myopenid.com/ Ash

      1 – There is no unlimited high speed data plan.

    • http://ashn.myopenid.com/ Ash

      1 – There is no unlimited high speed data plan.

    • http://ashn.myopenid.com/ Ash

      1 – There is no unlimited high speed data plan.

    • Yogi

      Both Even More Plus and Value Plans offer unlimited data, they are simply throttle after a given amount of high speed access. The EMP plans included 5GB of high speed while Value Plans offer options of 2GB, 5GB, or 10GB, at differing price amounts, of course.

      Yes, the EMP plans did not have a contract while the Value Plans do. However, the Value plans are less expensive that EMP plans, so, to me, it is worth it.

    • Antioch

      there is no such thing as unlimited data with t mobile (or Verizon or att). Almnost assuredly you are paying for the 5gb throttling limit as thats the standard for emp customers. you are most likely not even using that much data (look at your bill), you will likely save more money especially since value offers more data plan options.

    • Antioch

      there is no such thing as unlimited data with t mobile (or Verizon or att). Almnost assuredly you are paying for the 5gb throttling limit as thats the standard for emp customers. you are most likely not even using that much data (look at your bill), you will likely save more money especially since value offers more data plan options.

  • http://twitter.com/droid1967 Droid 1967

    ok tell me this…  currently if i cancel my account at any time i pay 200 dollars and keep the phone.
    under these new plans is that the same. or do you owe 200 etf plus the balance of 15 dollars amonth for whatever is left of the 20 months?????

    • CRT24

      Of course you do…..you are paying full price for the phone with part of that being on payments. If you finance a car do you get to make a few payments and walk away from the balance? Don’t think so

      • http://twitter.com/droid1967 Droid 1967

        Thats what i thought and thats what is left out of this article.  id rather pay 5 bucks extra a month and buy out for 100 +60(5 extra a month)dollars after a year since thats about the life of phones anymore.  than 100 + 120(rest of phone payment+ the extra sales tax you paid upfront).  so i guess if you are gonna keep the same phone for 2 years on tmobile youll save a little. other than that it is actually much more expensive.

        • CRT24

          It’s not really more expensive because you don’t get full discounts on phones whenever you feel like buying a phone on the classic plan either …..but you should just do the math and pick what’s right for you…..either way you go the classic or value is a better price option than any of the other 3 big carriers.

        • Antioch

          look at your contract, etf IS NOT tiered down until 18 months in. its 200$ until the final 6 months.

  • Ross

    Guess value depends on the phone and the plan.  Was just checking the Tmob site (why doesn’t the homepage scream sale on the 24th – just such poor marketing!)  But the Value plan for just unlimited talk and text is 49.99 – (no data) and the classic is 59.99 so if you were paying an extra twenty bucks a month for a value plan, it would actually be more expensive!  If you were getting minimum of 200mb of data, its 54.99 vs 69.99 so if you’re paying 20 bucks, its also more expensive…and if you’re paying 15 , then its not that much cheaper – ….at 20 mos in the tech world, things change a lot – you’ll probably want or need a new phone and plan at that point anyways

    • Jimpoop

      Your math is almost correct.  Installments on phones are $15 maximum.  Also,, data of 2 GB or higher is a requirement when getting a Classic Plan if you buy a “smartphone.”  So in your example you can get the unlimited talk text on Value for $49.99 plus the $15 installment for a total of $64.99 or the same phone on Classic would cost you $79.99. That is $300 savings in the 20 months or $420 for the full 2 year contract

      • Ross

        This is just too confusing.  It shouldn’t be this complicated to figure out a rate plan..All I know is I currently have an older grandfathered non-data plan and I basically can’t get an upgrade without changing my plan…and if Im going to pay full price for the phone then Id be better off with the prepaid TMob plan or something like Boost or Virgin which would be a lot cheaper.  IT just keeps making me think of that article that said Tmob gets squeezed cuz its not the high end or the low end so its not attracting the iPhone crowd or the value crowd

      • Ross

        This is just too confusing.  It shouldn’t be this complicated to figure out a rate plan..All I know is I currently have an older grandfathered non-data plan and I basically can’t get an upgrade without changing my plan…and if Im going to pay full price for the phone then Id be better off with the prepaid TMob plan or something like Boost or Virgin which would be a lot cheaper.  IT just keeps making me think of that article that said Tmob gets squeezed cuz its not the high end or the low end so its not attracting the iPhone crowd or the value crowd

  • W3m1975

    Your math is not completely correct if you want unlimited voice minutes with sprint to get unlimited minutes with a smart phone you pay 109.99 per month. 99.99 for unlimited on their network and 10.00 for their “premium” data add on.

  • Anonymous

    I think the phone should come unlocked if I pay full price, if you arent giving a subsidy then why are you locking them? And Why would i move from even more plus with no contract to a value plan that locks me into a contract and gave me me no discounts?  When I did the math for my plan I come out paying more after the switch and unable to bail if the DoJ fails me. In regards to the “Sept 24th sale”, no one likes mail in rebates.  if you really want this contract scam oops I mean sale to work then just offer instant rebates.

    • Antioch

      since your paying full cost for the phone you can call up tmobile the next day and get it unlocked, unlike subsidy handset there is no wait period (beyond the standard 14 days, 30 in cal) and there’s no limit of 1 per 90 days like their is with subsidized phones. be realistic here, more customers are on contract than otherwise, the company is not going to create a separate stock of unlocked phones, especially since 99% of customers will never need this

    • Antioch

      since your paying full cost for the phone you can call up tmobile the next day and get it unlocked, unlike subsidy handset there is no wait period (beyond the standard 14 days, 30 in cal) and there’s no limit of 1 per 90 days like their is with subsidized phones. be realistic here, more customers are on contract than otherwise, the company is not going to create a separate stock of unlocked phones, especially since 99% of customers will never need this

  • Chrisroberts7577

    family Classic, 2 lines, 2GB data, 1000 min (more than I need): $120/month for service, plus phones upfront.  24 month cost: $2880
    Family Value, 2 lines, 2GB data, 500 min (can’t compare apples to apples, thanks T-Mobile!): $100/month, plus $30/month for phones = $130/month.  Plus I have to put down the deposit.  24 month cost: $3000 (and I get 12,000 LESS minutes over the 24 months)

    No thanks, I’ll stick with the classic.

    • John Doe

      Just so you know Mr.Roberts the plans you are comparing are Classic -1,000 vs. Value – Unlimited mins. So if you would like to correctly compare the plans the Classic 1,000 would be 120 a month and Value unlimited would be 110 including the 30 dollars for phones.  Just FYI this is basic math!

      • Chrisroberts7577

        I did look at the wrong plan but not the one you think.  I was actually looking at the Value 500 for individuals and just doubling it for a 2 line comparison.  So let me correct myself.
        family Classic, 2 lines, 2GB data, 1000 min (more than I need): $120/month for service, plus phones upfront.  24 month cost: $2880
        Family Value, 2 lines, 2GB data, 1000 min: $80/month, plus $30/month for phones = $110/month.  Plus I have to put down the deposit.  24 month cost: $2520.  A savings of $360 over 2 years.Just FYI, you don’t have to be a jackass just because you are on the internet. (And my math was correct, I just used the wrong numbers)  Plus you say the Value unlimited is $110 (including the $30 for phones), which makes the plan $80/month.  Maybe I can’t read too but where do you find a Value unlimited plan for 2 lines with 2GB of data for $80?  Looks like we all screw up sometimes.

  • Steelers0131

    T-Mobile has made it too confusing for the average customer. Look at all of the confusion in the comments below. 

    • Anonymous

      in some ways I agree. Maybe tmo should grandfather classic plans or only make them available to current classic plan customers ( for add a line purposes)……if I’m a single person looking for new tmobile service instore, value is a better deal hands down. Why pay more foe a sensation upfront and deal with that pesky mir on a classic plan and have to pay more upfront?

  • http://benpike.net Ben Pike

    Wow… just wow… some of you people make me weep for the future of humanity.

    Nathan M – you rock.

  • http://ashn.myopenid.com/ Ash

    After reading many of the comments, boy….some people don’t understand what these plans have and can’t do basic math….

  • http://twitter.com/iDiotGear Rob Daman

    This reminds me of algebra math question in high school. If train A goes 55 mph and train B goes 65mph…. lol.

  • Ross

    actually with the value plan – if you get a smart phone and want the price offered over the 20 month period with downpayment, you have to get the data plan – At least thats what I was told.  I couldn’t keep my call only grandfathered plan, and get a smartphone in case Id want to add data in 6-12 mos and already have the phone.  Now who knows?  Tmob employees may be wrong…But also I don’t understand why theres so much hostility in these posts.  People are just expressing their opinions – They may be longtime Tmob customers who are disappointed with the 

  • Ross

    actually with the value plan – if you get a smart phone and want the price offered over the 20 month period with downpayment, you have to get the data plan – At least thats what I was told.  I couldn’t keep my call only grandfathered plan, and get a smartphone in case Id want to add data in 6-12 mos and already have the phone.  Now who knows?  Tmob employees may be wrong…But also I don’t understand why theres so much hostility in these posts.  People are just expressing their opinions – They may be longtime Tmob customers who are disappointed with the 

  • Anonymous

    Its quite simple really….value is cheaper upfront and each month(even with sales tax included and mirs factores in on a smartphone)…..look past the fact that youre financing the device at full cost and it makes sense

  • Miro

    I’ve run this trough a spreadsheet – Family Classic 1000 vs Family Value 1000 with 2 G2x phones and Florida taxes of 20% and 6% sales tax.

    Value always costs more with everything taken into account – anywhere from $78 to $318 over 1 and 2 year period especially when factoring Value ETFs. It’s even worse for the Value plan if you can get the phones for free from Tmobile so YMMV but from looking at my spreadsheet it seems pointless to have Value, especially if there is a $200 ETF per line tacked on to it

    • Anonymous

      Why are u factoring in etf?

      • Miro

        i added it in later on just to compare, as I/we are considering leaving or ditching our Vibrants for something better as both of us unhappy with it. 

        Overall, ETF not whitstanding, in my case the Classic plan is cheaper by $102 over 24 months with 200mb data and $426 if phones are free on promo

      • Miro

        i added it in later on just to compare, as I/we are considering leaving or ditching our Vibrants for something better as both of us unhappy with it. 

        Overall, ETF not whitstanding, in my case the Classic plan is cheaper by $102 over 24 months with 200mb data and $426 if phones are free on promo

    • Anonymous

      Why are u factoring in etf?

    • Anonymous

      Do the Classic plans not have ETF or something? With taxes factored in, the only difference would be the 6% sales tax on the difference of the prices in the phone. 6% of $300 is $18, so in 4 months, the sales tax is taken care of.

      I assume by the 20% taxes, you mean the taxes on the service itself. On a Classic plan, those taxes come to $16 a month. On a Value plan, it comes to $12 a month. So that’s an additional $4 savings there, too. So, the Value plan is essentially a minimum of $9 cheaper, while the upfront cost for the phone is $18 more. The savings balance out the extra upfront cost in 2 months.

      • Miro

        yes, 20% Florida state communications tax applies to your voice plan only, not data and it’s higher in some other states and much lower in others. There’s also the FCC reg fee per line, and sales tax which applies to phone purchases and ETF.

        so it’s Voice plan + 20% communication tax + data per line + fcc fee = ?*24 months + phone costs + sales tax – rebate if any

        • Anonymous

          I still have no idea how you’re calculating this. I’m getting a minimum of a $186 difference. That’s accounting for the current $149.99 price on the Classic plan for the G2X. If that rebate goes away and you pay $199.99 per phone, it jumps to a $286 difference. I didn’t factor in the FCC fee, since that should be the same, the ETF, since that should be the same (and you wouldn’t pay it if you were to stick with the company for 2 years anyway), or the sale that’s happening tomorrow, since that requires a 2GB data plan.

          The only way I’m seeing that a Value plan could cost more is if you go through some third party retailer who offers the G2X for a lower price than T-Mobile does when paired with a Classic plan. Third parties always have their own terms to follow, though, and often those terms include a ridiculous ETF on top of the ETF that T-Mobile has.

      • Miro

        forgot to say, if the phones cost say $199.99 and there’s no rebate then on my scenario the difference is like $2 so it’s negligible but there’s still no benefit as Value has a contract and an ETF

      • Miro

        forgot to say, if the phones cost say $199.99 and there’s no rebate then on my scenario the difference is like $2 so it’s negligible but there’s still no benefit as Value has a contract and an ETF

  • Anonymous

    Just a quick correction. The Sprint plan mentioned in the post does not have unlimited minutes like the AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile plans do. The Sprint plan with unlimited minutes, texts, and data is $109.99 a month, making the T-Mobile Value plan $35 less a month, with a total savings of $840 over the 2 year period.

  • http://twitter.com/rdubmu Robert

    Also corporate discounts can not be added to Value Plans. So I am actually saving more money with my corporate discount with a savings on a phone every 18 months…

    • Yogi

      When I switched from EMP to Value Plan, the customer service rep told me that I would start getting my corporate discount again since the Value Plans are contract plans and are thus eligible for corporate discounts. I haven’t gotten a bill yet since the change, so I can’t say for sure that I’m getting it, though.

    • Yogi

      When I switched from EMP to Value Plan, the customer service rep told me that I would start getting my corporate discount again since the Value Plans are contract plans and are thus eligible for corporate discounts. I haven’t gotten a bill yet since the change, so I can’t say for sure that I’m getting it, though.

    • Yogi

      When I switched from EMP to Value Plan, the customer service rep told me that I would start getting my corporate discount again since the Value Plans are contract plans and are thus eligible for corporate discounts. I haven’t gotten a bill yet since the change, so I can’t say for sure that I’m getting it, though.

    • Yogi

      When I switched from EMP to Value Plan, the customer service rep told me that I would start getting my corporate discount again since the Value Plans are contract plans and are thus eligible for corporate discounts. I haven’t gotten a bill yet since the change, so I can’t say for sure that I’m getting it, though.

    • CRT24

      You still get your corporate discount on value plans.

    • CRT24

      You still get your corporate discount on value plans.

    • Jmontys

      Yes, they can

    • LC

      I add them for customers all the time.

  • Yogi

    Here is a real world example of my savings going from Even More Plus to Value Plan, as posted previously on another thread:

    Old Plan:
    $139.99 – EM+ Unlimited Talk, Text, Data (5GB high speed) for the first two lines
    $55 – Unlimited Talk, Text, Data (5GB high speed) for the third line
    $30 – Unlimited Talk, Text, No Data for the fourth line
    $10 – 200 minutes Talk, Unlimited Text, No Data for the fifth line
    $234.99 Total

    New Plan:
    $99.98 – Value Plan Unlimited Talk, Text, Data (2GB high speed) for the first two lines
    $35 – Unlimited Talk, Text, Data (2GB high speed) for the third line
    $25 – Unlimited Talk, Text, No Data for the fourth line
    $5 – 500 minutes Talk, Unlimited Text, No Data for the fifth line
    $164.98 Total

    The new Value Plan has more flexibility on the data packages, which is great for us since the first two smartphones don’t come anywhere close to 2GB of data. I average around 3GB per month, but since switching from a Vibrant to a Dell Venue Pro, I find myself using Wi-Fi more since it doesn’t kill the battery as bad as it did on the Vibrant. So I went with 2GB of high speed, for now. Even if I do end up needing more data, I can simply change the data plan on my phone, the third line in the above comparisons, to the 5GB Data Premium for $15 more.

    Much more flexibility and better pricing makes me happy. Of course, I had never gone to the EM+ plans because of the no contract, but more because I wasn’t paying the phone subsidy. I prefer to buy my phones myself rather than fall into the subsidy/upgrade trap that the carriers like to set. For people complaining about the contract, I would suggest looking at the Monthly 4G prepaid plans that don’t come with a contract. Although, there is no family plan with those.

    • Paul Morgan

      Makes sense for people who don’t buy new phones.  However, let’s say you bumped your data back to 5gb (so that its an even comparison), it would cost you $45 more.  But to be fair, let’s give $5 credit since your 5th line now has 150% more minutes. So you’re now:

      $204.98 with 5gb on 3 lines

      Now buy 3 brand new HTC Sensations which add $15 a month each in EIP.  The normal down-payment is a wash, since you’d pay that with the old plan too.  You’re now:

      $249.98 with 5gb on 3 lines and 3 EIP charges for 20 months.  After 20 months it drops back to $204.98.

      Granted, you save $60 a phone since the contract is 20 months, not 24.  So let’s split that $180 savings over 20 months, and its now:

      240.98 per month for 20 months, then dropping to $204.98.

      That’s $6 a month more for the same thing while you have an EIP.  However, you can choose to have a cheaper phone if you like, or you can not upgrade your phones, to reap a discount.

      While it would cost you $100 more over the course of 20 months to use this new value plan, it is a good deal if you don’t upgrade your phones.  You also get the benefit of being able to buy new phones 4 months sooner.  Selling your old phone will probably offset the remaining EIP, making it possible to switch to a new phone even sooner than that.  (Let’s say you have 8 months left of $15 EIP.  Sell your phone for $120 and you can upgrade once a year, assuming you’re okay with the down-payment costs each time.)

      With this special sale, you save $5 a month per phone for 20 months ($100 total each).  Therefore saving you $15 a month for 3 phones. Take out the $6 more per month, and you now pay $9 a month less on the Value plan compared to the Classic. But only if you buy your phone with this special sale.

      I always buy a new phone, so this is not a value for me given these calculations. Unless there’s a nice discount on a new phone. But on the other hand, $6 a month more isn’t a drastic increase.

      Please tell me if my math is bad.  I’m not the smartest tool.

      edit: proved my dumbness to myself, had to correct some math.

      • LC

        But like Yogi was saying, not everyone needs the 5GB web, so there isn’t really a need to compare apples to apples like that….Sure, it makes a more even playing field of course, but if the user doesn’t need that amount, and only took it because it was the only option, then it does make sense to compare the 2GB plan to his old plan. I totally see where you’re coming with your comparison, but the majority of people don’t need that much data and really are seeing a savings becuas they’re paying for features that they’re using, and not overpaying for what they don’t need.

      • Yogi

        My comparison is of Even More Plus and Value Plans, neither of which included a subsidized phone. So if you are going to add in an EIP cost on one, you would need to add it for both, so it would be a wash. Yes, to make it an apples to apples comparison you would need to bring up my data to 5GB per smartphone, raising my monthly total by $45 per month. It would still be substantially cheaper than my EMP plan was. However, part of the reason the Value Plan is better than Even More Plus is that it gives you more options of different high speed data packages.

      • Yogi

        My comparison is of Even More Plus and Value Plans, neither of which included a subsidized phone. So if you are going to add in an EIP cost on one, you would need to add it for both, so it would be a wash. Yes, to make it an apples to apples comparison you would need to bring up my data to 5GB per smartphone, raising my monthly total by $45 per month. It would still be substantially cheaper than my EMP plan was. However, part of the reason the Value Plan is better than Even More Plus is that it gives you more options of different high speed data packages.

  • Yogi

    Here is a real world example of my savings going from Even More Plus to Value Plan, as posted previously on another thread:

    Old Plan:
    $139.99 – EM+ Unlimited Talk, Text, Data (5GB high speed) for the first two lines
    $55 – Unlimited Talk, Text, Data (5GB high speed) for the third line
    $30 – Unlimited Talk, Text, No Data for the fourth line
    $10 – 200 minutes Talk, Unlimited Text, No Data for the fifth line
    $234.99 Total

    New Plan:
    $99.98 – Value Plan Unlimited Talk, Text, Data (2GB high speed) for the first two lines
    $35 – Unlimited Talk, Text, Data (2GB high speed) for the third line
    $25 – Unlimited Talk, Text, No Data for the fourth line
    $5 – 500 minutes Talk, Unlimited Text, No Data for the fifth line
    $164.98 Total

    The new Value Plan has more flexibility on the data packages, which is great for us since the first two smartphones don’t come anywhere close to 2GB of data. I average around 3GB per month, but since switching from a Vibrant to a Dell Venue Pro, I find myself using Wi-Fi more since it doesn’t kill the battery as bad as it did on the Vibrant. So I went with 2GB of high speed, for now. Even if I do end up needing more data, I can simply change the data plan on my phone, the third line in the above comparisons, to the 5GB Data Premium for $15 more.

    Much more flexibility and better pricing makes me happy. Of course, I had never gone to the EM+ plans because of the no contract, but more because I wasn’t paying the phone subsidy. I prefer to buy my phones myself rather than fall into the subsidy/upgrade trap that the carriers like to set. For people complaining about the contract, I would suggest looking at the Monthly 4G prepaid plans that don’t come with a contract. Although, there is no family plan with those.

  • Middle Greek

    This is wildly complicated and smells of inept marketers’ brainfarts. Even if I save $200 (over two years!) it’ll take me more than that in my hourly wage to get it straightened out at the store. And that’s assuming the store won’t be packed with fools and poors, which it will be.

  • Middle Greek

    This is wildly complicated and smells of inept marketers’ brainfarts. Even if I save $200 (over two years!) it’ll take me more than that in my hourly wage to get it straightened out at the store. And that’s assuming the store won’t be packed with fools and poors, which it will be.

    • Jmontys

      if you don’t cancel it saves you money, hard concept?

  • Middle Greek

    This is wildly complicated and smells of inept marketers’ brainfarts. Even if I save $200 (over two years!) it’ll take me more than that in my hourly wage to get it straightened out at the store. And that’s assuming the store won’t be packed with fools and poors, which it will be.

  • Middle Greek

    This is wildly complicated and smells of inept marketers’ brainfarts. Even if I save $200 (over two years!) it’ll take me more than that in my hourly wage to get it straightened out at the store. And that’s assuming the store won’t be packed with fools and poors, which it will be.

  • Nope

    too much word smithing and number crunching didn’t convince me to get a new phone

  • Nope

    too much word smithing and number crunching didn’t convince me to get a new phone

  • Nope

    too much word smithing and number crunching didn’t convince me to get a new phone

  • Stu

    The Migration Fee ticks me off, and is a deal killer for me. My current plan is 2 lines @  400 min, 400 text and unlimited data on each  for $99. $113 with taxes and fees. New plan would be +25 for two phones plus migration plus downpayment. I’m losing money by moving. I’ll keep what I have until they drop migration, come up with something to make me give up a 7 year old rate plan or make me change therefore constituting a material breach. And if the ATT deal goes through i’m gone anyway. I don’t do business with the Death Star.

    • Jmontys

      You took promotion A, which made you ineligible for promotion B, even before you changed there was the option of Even More Plus which has no migration fee to value plans. Posting this is like you complaining that Costco charges you to renew your membership.

      • Stu

        What part didn’t you understand.I didnt take any promotions!  I didn’t change anything I have had this same plan for years, and TMO has not showed my any reason to move to a different plan, and added fees don’t help their case.

  • Family Plan confusion

    Hmmm, interesting. My problem is I have a 5-line family plan of which three are eligible while two are still under contract (3/12 and 10/12). So if it ends up being too much to pay the migration fee on those two lines, how does that work? Would they all still be under the same family plan but with those two under the old rates and add a line charge while only the three eligible lines would be moved onto the value plan pricing? Or would those two lines prevent me from changing at all if I wasn’t going to move all five lines over at once.

  • Family Plan confusion

    Hmmm, interesting. My problem is I have a 5-line family plan of which three are eligible while two are still under contract (3/12 and 10/12). So if it ends up being too much to pay the migration fee on those two lines, how does that work? Would they all still be under the same family plan but with those two under the old rates and add a line charge while only the three eligible lines would be moved onto the value plan pricing? Or would those two lines prevent me from changing at all if I wasn’t going to move all five lines over at once.

  • robert

    i have an off contract blackberry data only plan.  if i want to switch
    to a value plan without upgrading my phone, will i be required to sign a
    2yr agreement just for switching? i understand that there is no
    migration fee but i will not switch if they put me back on contract.

  • http://logomancer.dreamwidth.org/ Logomancer

    I see the T-Mo marketing mavens have been working overtime in this thread.

    Let me tell you all why I am not switching to a “Value” plan any time in the near future.

    I liked T-Mo for a couple of good reasons — they had (and arguably still have) some of the best Android phones out there, and they gave you a discount for bringing your own device. The latter point was awesome because, in an era of 300-600 dollar smartphones becoming commonplace, it makes a lot more sense to hang on to them for longer than two years. I intend to do this with my G2, all else notwithstanding. Alas, T-Mo has since decided to make doing so much harder — or, at least, have it provide no benefit over traditional US carrier plans.

    The “Value” plan in particular, while seeming to be cheaper on the surface, simply provides the worst of both worlds; you are locked into a two-year contract, AND you are required to pay full price for a phone, albeit in installments. This provides no value over the Even More Plus plans they supplanted.

    Anyone professing otherwise has been quick to compare apples to oranges. Let’s compare apples to apples.

    I have an Even More Plus plan — 500 minutes, unlimited text, and 5 GB of data (down from 10 GB not a year ago). For all of this, I pay $60/month (before taxes), and have no contract. This same scheme on the “Value” plan — 500 minutes, unlimited text, and 5 GB of data — would require me to sign a 2-year contract and pay $65/month, even without purchasing a phone. Thus, the 2-year total cost of the EM+ plan, before tax, without a phone, is $1200 ($60 * 24 months). The total cost under a “Value” plan? $1320 ($65 * 24 months).

    For me, the freedom of being without a contract has value, albeit intangibly, for two reasons. The first is that I live in an area that T-Mo has not graced even with 3G connection, leaving me with a smartphone with an EDGE connection. While I catch glimpses of 4G near the highway, which gives me some hope that maybe they’ll bring it here, I’m not going to commit myself for two years of possible EDGE speeds.

    The second reason? I will not commit to a two-year contract with the possibility of being made to be an AT&T customer. I will NOT patronize AT&T under any circumstances. Period.

    The financial difference, one may argue, is small. But in the final analysis, under the “Value” plan one
    is still paying more money for the same service with no freedom to switch
    carriers without ETF, even without buying a phone. And that is distasteful to me, given T-Mo’s deteriorating customer service, its lackluster broadband coverage, and the danger of being forced to become an AT&T customer. Once they improve, then we can talk about commitments. But I’m not holding my breath.

    • Tbyrne

      I admire your ethics! I’m glad you’re sticking it out like the rest of your loyal T-Mobile brothers and sisters! This has truly been a emotional rollercoaster ride. There’s still a chance that this thing’s going to work out for us. We just have to stay firm in our resolve not to give up hope. Most people don’t realize that many, many people other than T-Mobile customers are watching what’s going on and are concerned too. We all need to remember that it’s the big wigs higher up that are causing this mess. Hopefully someone higher up with some clout can use their common sense and broker some kind of deal that will be beneficial to everyone, but mostly the the always loyal T-Mobile customer.

      • Tbyrne

        “for the” Sorry!

    • http://twitter.com/caseymcg Casey McG.

      Ok, what if we say First — just for sake of argument — that you didn’t loathe AT&T (and I know there are plenty of reasons to despise them).

      And then Second, we accept one more premise: that AT&T (or T-Mobile if the deal doesn’t go through) agrees to keep you at your current rate at the time of the merger (sometime next year if it goes) for as long as you want.  (I’m not going to believe it until its written in stone, but its not wholly implausible. See http://www.tmonews.com/2011/09/att-says-keep-your-rate-plan-even-when-your-contract-expires/ and http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-20109050-85/at-t-may-honor-t-mobile-contracts-for-good/?tag=mncol;10n)    

      Now, take the HTC Sensation example by the original poster above.  When the 2 year contract ends you only saved $180 dollars, i.e., you ended up paying $219 for your phone over time [$199 down payment - $99 mail-in rebate + $300 (20 mos. x $15) - $180 savings from Value Plan = $219], while the other guy who signed up for Classic Unlimited only paid $199.  Other guy wins by saving $20 (we’ll leave out for sake of simplicity the time value of money you saved by paying over time).

      BUT, now going forward, and forever more, you will get Unlimited Calling, Unlimited Text and 2 Gig Data (Value Plus) for only $59.99 (again, assuming the premise that rates stay grandfathered), while Classic Plus guy will be paying $20 more every month for the exact same level of service.

      If you both keep using the service (whether its AT&T or whatever) for the next year, you save $220 over Classic Guy ($240 – $20 Classic guy was ahead after 2 yr contract period ends).

      Am I missing something?  Doesn’t sound like such a bad deal to me.  But then, I’m not the type to switch devices every time something new and cool comes out.

      • Math Major 04

        Your Math isn’t correct because the fact that the “savings” is what you are saving even while paying the 20 installments of $15. Therefore the math should be (199 down -99 MIR -180 savings= -$80) in other words with the MIR you end up saving 280 over the classic plans. Just an FYI

        • http://twitter.com/caseymcg Casey McG.

          Oh, yes, took me a minute to see my mistake, but you are absolutely right.  Thanks for the catch.

    • JAyMo

      Your example proves am amazing point. But do you really think your G2 will last 2+ years? I think your smart enough to know that those chances are slim since smartphones hardly last as long as they should…

    • Yogi

      In your case, Even More Plus does indeed work out to be cheaper over a 2 year period. Plus, it gives you the added benefit of having no contract. For you, it is a no brainer to stay with EMP. However, for many people, especially those with unlimited minutes and family plans, the Value Plans work out to be cheaper. That is why it’s always best to do the math. It’s really very basic. As you did, take the amount you will be paying monthly for service and multiply by 24. Then add the amount that you are paying for the phone hardware. I don’t all these people that act like it’s so difficult.

    • Yogi

      In your case, Even More Plus does indeed work out to be cheaper over a 2 year period. Plus, it gives you the added benefit of having no contract. For you, it is a no brainer to stay with EMP. However, for many people, especially those with unlimited minutes and family plans, the Value Plans work out to be cheaper. That is why it’s always best to do the math. It’s really very basic. As you did, take the amount you will be paying monthly for service and multiply by 24. Then add the amount that you are paying for the phone hardware. I don’t all these people that act like it’s so difficult.

    • Guest

      Thats all fantastic, but for the millions of customers that are not on Even More Plus plans, this does provide a benefit over the traditional ‘Classic Plans’. 

  • Jmontys

    The problem is, a knee jerk reaction when you find out there is no phone discount. Forget the fact you dont. Ask your self one question; do I want to spend less money on the same exact thing? If yes value is cheaper, exception would be multi line accounts and cancelling before your contract end date. Value plans require a tacit amount of intelligence to understand that it is cheaper.

  • Chris

    I can’t wait to see T-Mobile in small claims court on Oct 12 @ 9:30 am.  

  • Eric Gouveia

    What was t-mobile thinking when they decided to make plans this complicated and technical??  I can’t imagine this as being simple to understand for regular customers…  

    • Yogi

      I don’t understand what is so difficult. Take the monthly rate of a plan and multiply it by 24 and add the cost of the hardware. This will give you the “true” price of what that cell phone and service will cost you for 2 years. You can do that for any plan on any service (T-Mobile Classic, Value, or Even More Plus, AT&T, Sprint, Verizon, etc.) to compare them.

    • Yogi

      I don’t understand what is so difficult. Take the monthly rate of a plan and multiply it by 24 and add the cost of the hardware. This will give you the “true” price of what that cell phone and service will cost you for 2 years. You can do that for any plan on any service (T-Mobile Classic, Value, or Even More Plus, AT&T, Sprint, Verizon, etc.) to compare them.

      • Anonymous

        you don’t have to explain it to me.  I’ve seen it first hand when i visited my local retail store.  One of the seasoned sales reps had a difficult time explaining it to 3 different customers.  One of the people just left and said “thanks” and went across the mall to the AT&T store. It really makes it a nuisance for regular consumers. 

  • OKDave

    You cannot dismiss or accept the value plans without taking the time to sit down and do the math. Get out a calculator and a notebook, or pop open an spreadsheet, and do the comparison.

    When I did the comparison for my family, the decision to move to a value plan was a no-brainer. We moved our five lines (with two smartphones) for $140/mo with no messaging to a value plan w/2GB data for $95/month with unlimited texting. I’m paying $45 LESS per month and getting MORE service.

    Over the life of my contract, I’ll save $45*24 = $1080. Even if I buy an SGS2 next week from TMobile for, say, $500, I’m STILL ahead over $500 in two years. Tmo waived $90 of the lone ETF I had, so I’ll make back that cost in just a couple of months.

    This isn’t to say any one person will or won’t see the same magnitude of savings, but for my family, it was unmistakable. I’d encourage everyone to *do the math on their own* and find out what the real dollar savings is for them.

  • Blasky

    Was wondering if some of you can help with my situation.  Im on 100% grandfathered plans and wondering if its worth it to give up:

    Current Plan –
    Unlmited grandfathered calling:  $50/month
    Unlimited grandfathered text: $10/month
    Unlmited grandfatehred data: $20/month (5gb then throttled i believe)
    Total – $80/month

    btw – *Not currently on contract…; and still eligible for subsidized phone discounts when renewing.  Never go over 2gb of data on phone.

    (I am also on Tmobile VIOP for home service (Tmo@home) for $10/month, but will prob drop for Ooma VOIP as it will pay for itself in one year.) 

    Cust care called me a month or so ago, and offered me $10/discount if i renewed my 2-year contract.  I declined at the time to see what else was coming.  That would bring me to $70/month until the discount term ended (2 years I think?).

    I’ve always been under the impression that its always best to keep the grandfathered plans.  Is this still the case?  No plans on leaving T-MObile so dont mind signing up again for another 2 years.  Just trying to evaluate the best plan going forward or if it pays to jump to a Value Plan.

    Also… am probably in the market for a tablet / iPad, etc… If i modify my sim card and dump it in one of those, will it work and will I wish i still had my 5gb of data if I did jump to Value Plan?

    Thanks so much…..  get a headache thinking about all the options, but I know many of you have an immediate answer on this. 
    @home:disqus 
    Blasky

  • Moe

    Do not commit to anything until you find out which iPhone (if any) that T-Mobile is getting.  If they used the same GSM frequencies as AT&T it would be fine because you can pay full price for an iPhone and still use it on T-Mobile 3G with your Value plan.  However, the timing of this sale to lock people in is disconcerting to me and odds are if you want the latest version of the iPhone, you will probably be locked in for 2 years and disappointed with a phone you will lose interest in quickly.  I have been with T-Mobile since 2004 but I have one foot out the door since their goal is to lock in customers without providing the one phone that their 3 main competitors will have next month and get bought out by AT&T, which I would like to see broken up. 

  • Moe

    Do not commit to anything until you find out which iPhone (if any) that T-Mobile is getting.  If they used the same GSM frequencies as AT&T it would be fine because you can pay full price for an iPhone and still use it on T-Mobile 3G with your Value plan.  However, the timing of this sale to lock people in is disconcerting to me and odds are if you want the latest version of the iPhone, you will probably be locked in for 2 years and disappointed with a phone you will lose interest in quickly.  I have been with T-Mobile since 2004 but I have one foot out the door since their goal is to lock in customers without providing the one phone that their 3 main competitors will have next month and get bought out by AT&T, which I would like to see broken up. 

  • Yogi

    I wish all cell phone service and phone hardware would separate in the way that Value Plans (or Even More Plus in the past) are offered. The whole phone subsidy model is what confuses customers and it ends up being a rip-off to the consumer anyway. We don’t buy other items this way. We don’t buy a subsidized TV that is tied to only one cable provider, a subsidized car that is tied to one fuel company, or even a subsidized computer that is tied to one Internet provider. So why then do we buy subsidized cell phones that are tied to one wireless provider? Because we, as a whole, are too lazy to do the math and realize that in the long run it is not beneficial. That and the fact that it makes it look like your getting a phone cheaper. It’s ridiculous. If the phones were unbundled from the service, we would get better competition from the device manufacturers which would lead to lower device costs. Currently, when a device goes on sale, it is usually just the subsidized price while the retail price remains the same. The fact that T-Mobile offers service without a hardware subsidy is the primary reason I went with them, to be honest.

  • Anonymous

    Another correction (in response to the correction made in the article about the Sprint plan). The $79.99 does factor in the $10 Premium Data fee. However, like I mentioned earlier, it doesn’t include unlimited minutes. The unlimited minute plan on Sprint is $109.99, including the PD fee.

  • 21stNow

    This post and all the comments after this prove that the Value Plan is too complicated for most customers to want to commit to.  I agree that all customers should do the math to see which plan, cell phone and carrier services work best for them.  However, we all know that most people buy cell phones using emotions to guide their decisions, and not spreadsheets.

    • Durandal_1707

      What exactly is complicated about it?

      Classic: Pay $200 up front and $80 thereafter.
      Value: Pay $200 up front and $75 for 20 months, then $60 thereafter.

      Which is the better deal?

      Man, that’s a stumper!

      • 21stNow

        Durandal, I don’t think that you realize that you know much more than the average customer, as is evidenced by your presence on this thread.  I have met many people in life that would be truly “stumped” by the question that you posed above.

        • James

          So you’re saying the average customer don’t know grade level math?  Just signed up for the value plan today.  It was a no brainer.  Who doesn’t like to save money.  They only way for a classic plan are ok for people that upgrade they phone every 2 years.  For the people that don’t and like staying off contract, your bill does not go down after your 2 years are up so essentially you’re paying the inflated price.  With the value plan, once you pay off the phone, your monthly rate goes down.