Guest Post: Explaining The “Value” In Value Plan

Editor note: This guest post was written by a T-Mobile employee with hope of encouraging T-Mobile customers to select a Value plan by seeing the real “value” in your choice. With Saturday’s sale focused on Value plans we hope that this post will better explain to you what a Value plan is, why you might want to select it and if you can save money by choosing it. Standard Disclaimer: The views expressed in this guest blog do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of TmoNews.

 

There has been a lot of skepticism and backfire when it comes to T-Mobiles Value Plans and I believe the cause or blame lies on improper advertising and explanation. The lack of advertising and explanation has caused a lot of confusion and made consumers along with readers here very weary of the new rate plans.

To get straight to the point, people are used to the Classic plans, better known as the way rate plans have been done for years. With a classic plan you select a rate plan and receive a phone at the a discounted price, generally somewhere between free and $200. I apologize for all the numbers ahead of time.  The following examples will all be examined using up to date plans and pricing, using nothing grandfathered as there would be too many options and too many plans to compare. DISCLAIMER: These are all prices directly from the companies not retailers.

T-Mobile(Classic)-This is what all customers are used to. An HTC Sensation 4G on this plan costs $199 up front and is your overall cost for the device. With an unlimited everything plan(2GB Data) the plan is $79.99 per month.

T-Mobile(Value)-Now this one is where it gets tricky. The same phone costs $199 as a Down Payment and $499 total. Now before discovering the phone costs five hundred dollars, let’s try to see the other side of it. Value Plans lower the cost of your price plan and features.You also finance the full price of your device with no interest. The payments are split into 20 months that range from $5 to $15 depending on the price point of the phone. In the case of the sensation it is $15. The same Monthly rate plan as above but on a Value plan is $59.99 per month. When you combine the monthly plan and the price of the phone on the installment plan you end up at a total of $74.99.

BUT WAIT THE PHONE STILL COSTS $499. That is true but if you do the math, you are saving $5 per month for 20 months. At the 20th month you will be done paying off the phone and your price point will lower to $59.99 saving you $20 per month for the last 4 months. The total savings over the 2 years is $180. To some people this might not be worth paying the total cost of a phone over time, but every dollar counts.

The example that I use is just one phone example. That is the highest end phone T-Mobile has with the highest EIP. If you purchased a mid end phone with an EIP of $10, then your savings over two years would be $280. If you purchased a low end phone with an EIP $5 then your savings over two years would be $380. If you choose to do a family plan the savings double.

Comparing Data and Family plans from classic to Value- Family plan add a lines on classic can be either unlimited or 500 minute line. A 500 Minute add a line is $10 per month with the 2GB data for $20, making a total $30 for the additional line. With Value it can either be the same price or lower depending on the phone you are looking to purchase. If you are looking to add a top of the line phone as the Sensation then you would be looking to pay $5 per month for the line, however the same data feature is only $10 instead of $20 providing another reason why Value plans are great. Plus the installment payment of $15 bringing your total up to $30 maximum, once again depending on the phone you purchase.

The savings are there plain and simple…but not for everyone. Due to those darn migration fees.

Migration Fees- These are assessed based on contract tenure NOT upgrade tenure. This is like a cancellation fee. To go to a Value plan you are essentially canceling your current contract to switch to a different one. Although I believe it should not be viewed as that or represented as that, it is what it is. Anytime after 9 months into a classic plan one may switch to a Value plan, at 9 month tenure one would have a $200 migration fee. Every 3 months that migration fee will be lowered by $50. At one year to 15 months left you have $150, at 9 months to a year left $100, at 6 months to 9 months you have $50, anytime under 6 months you are free to switch over with no penalty. Anyone on Even More Plus plans automatically qualifies to switch over to a Value plan. This is where you would have to do the math, is paying that migration fee worth the savings?If you are paying about $100 per month I would say yes definitely because the savings would out do the cost in 8 months maximum(if you had a $200 migration). For others who are paying less the savings would take longer and not necessarily benefit them.

Other Carriers- This is a price comparison of all major carriers, using the same price point of the device at $199 and the unlimited plans(2GB DATA). Mainly for those readers and posts I’ve seen about switching companies.

Sprint- Galaxy S 2 is $199, monthly plan for unlimited plan is $79.99. The savings with a T-Mobile Value Plan is $180 over 2 year period. Editors note: Someone reminded us that this $79.99 plan doesn’t account for the $10 surcharge for 4G phones on Sprint. 

At&t- iPhone 4 is $199, monthly plan is $114.99(2GB data). The savings with a T-Mobile Value Plan is $1,020 over 2 years. The Savings with a T-Mobile Classic plan are $840 over two years.

Verizon- A Droid X2 is $199, monthly plan is $119.99(2GB data). The savings with a T-Mobile Value Plan is $1,140 over 2 years. The savings with a T-Mobile Classic Plan is $960 over two years.

Not only is T-Mobile more affordable but I can speak from experience from working for all 4 carriers at some point, T-Mobile treats their employees the best and has by far the best customer service, you don’t have to agree but there are awards out there proving so. *Cough* J.D. Power & Associates  *cough*.

There you have it folks, hope some of you come out to the stores this Saturday the 24th for two amazing sales, to save some money and get some great deals on the best phones and accessories T-Mobile has to offer.

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  • Sdfas

    i still dont want to pay 500 for a cell phone! heres the question can i use a cell phone i already have and just get the number

  • Sdfas

    i still dont want to pay 500 for a cell phone! heres the question can i use a cell phone i already have and just get the number

    • http://twitter.com/eb101 mynameseli

      yeah you can. :)

      • http://twitter.com/eb101 mynameseli

        thats what were going to do :)

    • http://twitter.com/eb101 mynameseli

      yeah you can. :)

    • jessica

      Yes. Just know when you want to get a new phone, you’re paying full price for the device and breaking it down. There is no moving from Value. One you are there, there isn’t any turning back. 

    • jessica

      Yes. Just know when you want to get a new phone, you’re paying full price for the device and breaking it down. There is no moving from Value. One you are there, there isn’t any turning back. 

      • tmo rep

        If you are worried about never being able to go on classic again, then you still don’t understand the savings on a value plan. Whether you buy a phone at $500 and finance it, or use a phone off of craigslist, It’s always going to be a lower monthly cost.

    • iGNetworks

      Yes. All you’ll need is a SIM they’ll provide you. This is also for those who buy their phones elsewhere.

  • Anonymous

    So, from a new customer perspective, they’re good. From an existing customer perspective, we’re better off sticking with what we’ve got. Gotcha. 

  • Anonymous

    So, from a new customer perspective, they’re good. From an existing customer perspective, we’re better off sticking with what we’ve got. Gotcha. 

    • Anonymous

      As an existing customer I was on a 500min/200MB plan for $59.99.

      The new Value plan of 500min/2GB is $49.99.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001409283013 Ilan Cortes

        as an existing customer i have 3000 minutes, unlimited texting and unlimited data no 5 gb cap like my two brotherss, and pay 55. < this is including insurance :)

        • Anonymous

          EVERY customer ha a 5GB cap.  Even if you have the “unlimited” plans from before, it is still throttled.

  • jrr

    Switching from vague subsidized phone pricing to transparent 0% phone financing (EIP) is definitely the right move – customers can see exactly what the *real* price of the phone is, and have a lower bill once the phone is paid off.

    What I don’t understand is this: why is the contract necessary?

  • jrr

    Switching from vague subsidized phone pricing to transparent 0% phone financing (EIP) is definitely the right move – customers can see exactly what the *real* price of the phone is, and have a lower bill once the phone is paid off.

    What I don’t understand is this: why is the contract necessary?

    • CSR1

      people seem to think the only value is the actual phone when they are with a cell company. “i want free phones i want cheap phones.”
      t-mobile is offering you the value for the plan this time, not the phone. its just a different way to market that people arent used to. cheaper phone, sign a contract. cheaper plan, sign a contract.

      • jrr

        Okay, but where’s my option to pay a little more and *not* sign a contract?  The prepaid options don’t even come close to my EMP450 family.

      • jrr

        Okay, but where’s my option to pay a little more and *not* sign a contract?  The prepaid options don’t even come close to my EMP450 family.

        • InvisibleHand

          I’m pretty sure that T-Mobile loses money on many of the EMP plans. If not a direct loss, an indirect loss due to customers being able to cancel anytime.

        • Anonymous

          EIP Delinquency = Number 1 money loser.

      • Anonymous

        because people are cheap chipmunks thats why.  I cant tell you how many times people come in and get mad when we dont have free phones and then storm off saying they are going somewhere else that has free phones.  Really?  You rather get a free phone and pay more money over time then paying $80 for a phone and saving a ton of money?

        • 0neTw0

          Americans Pay the most per Phones and Service. How are we cheap chipmunks?

      • Anonymous

        because people are cheap chipmunks thats why.  I cant tell you how many times people come in and get mad when we dont have free phones and then storm off saying they are going somewhere else that has free phones.  Really?  You rather get a free phone and pay more money over time then paying $80 for a phone and saving a ton of money?

  • jrr

    Switching from vague subsidized phone pricing to transparent 0% phone financing (EIP) is definitely the right move – customers can see exactly what the *real* price of the phone is, and have a lower bill once the phone is paid off.

    What I don’t understand is this: why is the contract necessary?

  • Benz2002

    its such a shame that this value plan would not be available with the Samsung GS2 (hercules)…… any ideas how anyone can make use of this 99.99 offer for the hercules in october? probably not. what a shame…… i’ll be waiting for the hercules, then! :)

  • Benz2002

    its such a shame that this value plan would not be available with the Samsung GS2 (hercules)…… any ideas how anyone can make use of this 99.99 offer for the hercules in october? probably not. what a shame…… i’ll be waiting for the hercules, then! :)

  • Anonymous

    When paying for the phone straight out, it would be nice if they were sold unlocked.

    • Anonymous

      That might work, if you werent paying regional carrier rates as a result.  

  • guest

    We get it that Value is better!  When you take the time to dig into the nuts and bolts it becomes clear.  The fundamental problem with Value plans is that it’s too complicated to explain to customers clearly and quickly.  It took you 10 paragraphs to explain it.  Try getting through to a customer that doesn’t understand wireless, has an extremely low IQ or has a language barrier.   Most customers aren’t all that savvy. The people who come up with this stuff need to try and sell it in stores before they launch it.     

  • Anonymous

    Hey david, does tmonews have a google+ account? If not please make one since there is no more privacy on facebook and many, many people are going to google+

    thx!
    :)

    • http://tmonews.com David

      Waiting to either get accepted into Google+ beta program for businesses or till they open it.

      • Anonymous

        do u want an invitation?

        • FtKnoxTMO

          Invite?, it’s open to all as of yesterday, so you shouldn’t need one.

        • Anonymous

          correct…

        • Anonymous

          correct…

        • InvisibleHand

          I don’t think G+ is available for businesses yet.

      • Anonymous

        do u want an invitation?

      • Anonymous

        Google+ is open to the Public now and have alot of cool features way better than facebook. hangout is really great.

  • Hamster

    This is the same reason that Even More Plus was better, except now you require contracts for everything.

    • Anonymous

      Except these plan are EVEN cheaper than those and around the same price as regional carriers who also DO NOT subsidize handsets.  

    • Anonymous

      Except these plan are EVEN cheaper than those and around the same price as regional carriers who also DO NOT subsidize handsets.  

      • 21stNow

        I would pay $5 more per month to get the same thing on a Value plan as I get on my EMP plan. And get tied down for two uncertain years. No thanks!

      • 21stNow

        I would pay $5 more per month to get the same thing on a Value plan as I get on my EMP plan. And get tied down for two uncertain years. No thanks!

        • Anonymous

          There is no way you can pay more on Value vs. EM+, the plans are $20 cheaper.  If you are uncertain then dont sign the contract.  I do find it funny however that people are SO certain of Sprint’s service.  Tell me, what are you guys going to do with your WiMax “4G” phones when Sprint switches to their cheaper grade of LTE?  What’s more uncertain than a company that plans on switching the technology behind a phone they sold you?

        • Hamster

          My EMP plan gives me 500min, Unlimited Text, 5GB high speed data for 59.99. The Value plan equivalent costs 64.99.

        • Anonymous

          There is no VP equivalent to that… 59.99 is unlimited everything. Where are you getting your numbers from?

        • Hamster

          No… 59.99 is Unlimited Talk+Text and 2GB of high speed data. Numbers come directly from T-Mobile’s website. And yes, there is a VP equivalent to my plan. Check before post FUD.

        • Anonymous

          How is 500 minutes equivalent to unlimited minutes? I know the plan… The price is equivalent… Not the plan…

        • Hamster

          I didn’t say *that* was the equivalent plan. I was correcting you on what the 59.99 Value plan was. You said unlimited everything, whereas it is unlimited talk+text and 2gb of high speed data.

          The equivalent Value plan to my 59.99 EM+ is 500min, unlimited text, and 5gb of high speed data (obviously). T-Mobile sells this plan at 64.99/month as I have already said. Check the site.

        • 21stNow

          Bill, I’m in the same situation as Hamster below.  The Value Plan that he is speaking of is 500 minutes, unlimited text and 5GB of high speed data.  That is $5 higher on the Value Plan than it is on the EMP.  The Value Plan that you are referring to below is the unlimited minutes and text and 2GB of high speed data.  I don’t need more minutes, but I do need more data.

          I didn’t mention Sprint anywhere in my post, and certainly am not considering going there.  My point in not wanting a contract to approach the buyout is that I want to be able to move to where I want to be, or cut the phone off completely if I so desire.  Divesting will likely be part of this deal.  I don’t have a problem going to AT&T.  But if my account gets sold to Sprint, I may have to just cut that phone off.

  • Miro

    Value plans only pan out if you can’t get the phone you want on a free promo, if you can then no contract is pointless depending on what services you choose as it would most likely be cheaper to just break the contract, pay ETF then go back and get another phone or just keep it. 

    The full price of the phones however is inflated, once you go to iSupply and see a bill of parts for some of the phones they’ve taken apart and analyzed you’ll realize the markup is substantial probably in the vicinity of around 100%

    • Guest

      Miro,  you cant value the price of a completed product by the value of the sum of its individual parts.  The BOM pricing that Isuppli provides does not account for Engineering, licensing, R&D, warranty, labor,tech support or sales and marketing.  

      a 100 % markup on the BOM listing probably equals 5% margin once overhead is accounted for. 

      • InvisibleHand

        You hit the nail on the head. Carriers often make more on the accessories sold with the phone than the phone itself, even after commissions are taken into consideration.

      • Miro

        i know there are additional costs but i doubt they’re $300 on top of what parts cost. My original thought was that these guys always debut new phones at say $199 on contract and every phone is $499 off contract, and $520-579 at BestBuy and dealers. Tho lately with the so called superphones carries have had $500+ prices on them for the first month. The Sensation 4G was $520 or something then in a month or two was adjusted down to $499 as well, I think it’s more like riding the early adopters’ wallets while the hype is hot :). The Nokia N8 for example is $379 unlocked on Amazon which feels about right. Also, there’s no competition in the off-contract/unlocked smart phone market

    • Anonymous

      Who do you think you are assuming that you should be charged the price of the sum of parts?  What business does that?  You think you are charged to sum of parts for a sandwich or a burger?  Did you forget carriers still have to PURCHASE these phones from OEMs?  It’s also loop-holing like this that has fueled all carriers but t-mobile to raise their ETFs.

      • Miro

        Show me where i saidi want to be charged only the sum of the parts? twat

        • Anonymous

          “The full price of the phones however is inflated, once you go to iSupply and see a bill of parts for some of the phones they’ve taken apart and analyzed you’ll realize the markup is substantial probably in the vicinity of around 100%”

          This stupid ass comment above me, insinuates that people should be assessing the cost of a phone by the sum of its parts.  you’re an idiot. 

        • Anonymous

          “The full price of the phones however is inflated, once you go to iSupply and see a bill of parts for some of the phones they’ve taken apart and analyzed you’ll realize the markup is substantial probably in the vicinity of around 100%”

          This stupid ass comment above me, insinuates that people should be assessing the cost of a phone by the sum of its parts.  you’re an idiot. 

  • Rob Reder

    I get it compared to the Classic plan. The problem is on my current contract, I get full subsidized phones every 11 months. If I’m paying for a phone for 20 months, the savings just aren’t there.

    • Anonymous

      There is no currently t-mobile plan that allows for 11 month renewals with full subsidy.  Not in Retail or Care.  There isnt even the ability to extend someone for a year in the systems.  You are full of it (my comment was flagged btw).  If you have Sprint you can kiss that goodbye along with 2011.

      • Rob Reder

        It’s not a current plan, it’s grandfathered from 2004 when I first signed on with T-mo. I’ve been getting new phones every 11 months for 7 years (well, I haven’t used my newest upgrade, eligible since june, waiting for SGS2). I’m not sure how I can prove this to you, but I assure you it’s fact.

  • chi chi

    these plans suck. i am in an even more plus plan but need a newer phone. so t-mob lol says i can sign a value plan for two yr contract but i still have to pay full price for the phone. thats just wrong.thats the whole point of signing a two yr to get a discount on a phone. cant wait go go to sprint for the iphone 5 for true unlimited

    • Anonymous

      You sound kind of stupid buddy, if you want a newer phone you can keep your same price point and get a discount if you switch to the classic plans.  (79.99 EM+ unlimited everything costs the same as 79.99 classic unlimited everything).  As explained eloquently in this article, if you switch to classic you’ll save money month over month.  It’s fools like you that are symbolic of how no matter how well you explain something or make it for the customer, someone will always create a problem where there isnt.

      • http://twitter.com/rdubmu Robert

        I agree. You save one way or the other. If you think about it, the total cost of savings is a little better, just not up front. The savings is spread out for 24 months. I don’t think you should sign a contract if you don’t get a discount. THe discount should be on the phone and not the plan.

        • Jimpoop

          Why does it matter where the discount is assessed?  Isn’t the important part that you save money?  

        • Jimpoop

          Why does it matter where the discount is assessed?  Isn’t the important part that you save money?  

      • chi chi

        to save  like four bucks lmao i rather pay 79 trully unlimited n get a free phone thats worth 499.99  at best buy or radio shack. instead of paying 499.99 for a phone n a two yr value plan for only 2gb of internet winning!

        • Anonymous

          80-75 =5 but who’s counting anyway?  Besides that is just for the first 20 months, for the remaining four the difference is $20.  Value Plans are not available at Big Box retailers and they offer the same deep discounts on tmo products as they do on all products, so that argument doesnt even make sense.  The truly unlimited plan also has 2GB of internet.

        • Pp

          um 2gb is not unlimited the last time i check.  take ur bolas out of ur ass. sprint has no cap on the internet. if u want to pay the same price for 2 gb its fine by me

        • Pp

          um 2gb is not unlimited the last time i check.  take ur bolas out of ur ass. sprint has no cap on the internet. if u want to pay the same price for 2 gb its fine by me

        • Anonymous

          For starters you said truly unlimited which is t-mobile not Sprint. (-1)
          Sprint does cap out 3G users just not 3G/4G users(-1)
          Sprint’s unlimited plan much like tmobile’s unlimited plan has fine print, the 2GB of internet on the tmo plan is not a cap it is a throttle point, meaning it’s still unlimited just slower.  Sprint’s 79.99 plan does not offer REAL unlimited minutes, just unlimited calling to mobiles, which is the same thing I have on my AT&T plan.  It’s marketed as unlimited because there are plenty idiots of your intelligence level that will think it is unlimited. (-1)
          What good is unlimited internet when the 3G is notoriously slower than any other wireless carrier and their “4G” service is pretty much available nowhere, can’t penetrate walls where it is available and when you are lucky enough to be stationary outside in the middle of a street, you get yourself 3-5Mbps which is what you can get on a t-mobile 3G phone.  Winning? (-10 for being completely stupid)

          If you idiots really think Sprint is going to offer unlimited internet past 2012, well then I am actually the tooth fairy, I drink too much and it makes me vulgar.  Look at their ETF increase, Upgrade Fee doubled, Just put a cap and overage on tethering.  Sprint is trying their hardest to do everything AT&T is doing while pretending to “look out” for their customer base.  

          95% of you people crying about unlimited internet don’t ever pass 5GB.  You see something on television and repeat it as if it is suddenly something you needed all the time but you don’t even understand wireless plans.  If you want Sprint, go enjoy their slowass data connections, I’ve been there, I’ll pass.  Why are you on a t-mobile forum again anyway?

        • chi chi

          y the f r u bitchn abut tmobile? if u have att lmao

        • Anonymous

          I have both… (-1)

        • Anonymous

          For starters you said truly unlimited which is t-mobile not Sprint. (-1)
          Sprint does cap out 3G users just not 3G/4G users(-1)
          Sprint’s unlimited plan much like tmobile’s unlimited plan has fine print, the 2GB of internet on the tmo plan is not a cap it is a throttle point, meaning it’s still unlimited just slower.  Sprint’s 79.99 plan does not offer REAL unlimited minutes, just unlimited calling to mobiles, which is the same thing I have on my AT&T plan.  It’s marketed as unlimited because there are plenty idiots of your intelligence level that will think it is unlimited. (-1)
          What good is unlimited internet when the 3G is notoriously slower than any other wireless carrier and their “4G” service is pretty much available nowhere, can’t penetrate walls where it is available and when you are lucky enough to be stationary outside in the middle of a street, you get yourself 3-5Mbps which is what you can get on a t-mobile 3G phone.  Winning? (-10 for being completely stupid)

          If you idiots really think Sprint is going to offer unlimited internet past 2012, well then I am actually the tooth fairy, I drink too much and it makes me vulgar.  Look at their ETF increase, Upgrade Fee doubled, Just put a cap and overage on tethering.  Sprint is trying their hardest to do everything AT&T is doing while pretending to “look out” for their customer base.  

          95% of you people crying about unlimited internet don’t ever pass 5GB.  You see something on television and repeat it as if it is suddenly something you needed all the time but you don’t even understand wireless plans.  If you want Sprint, go enjoy their slowass data connections, I’ve been there, I’ll pass.  Why are you on a t-mobile forum again anyway?

        • Anonymous

          For starters you said truly unlimited which is t-mobile not Sprint. (-1)
          Sprint does cap out 3G users just not 3G/4G users(-1)
          Sprint’s unlimited plan much like tmobile’s unlimited plan has fine print, the 2GB of internet on the tmo plan is not a cap it is a throttle point, meaning it’s still unlimited just slower.  Sprint’s 79.99 plan does not offer REAL unlimited minutes, just unlimited calling to mobiles, which is the same thing I have on my AT&T plan.  It’s marketed as unlimited because there are plenty idiots of your intelligence level that will think it is unlimited. (-1)
          What good is unlimited internet when the 3G is notoriously slower than any other wireless carrier and their “4G” service is pretty much available nowhere, can’t penetrate walls where it is available and when you are lucky enough to be stationary outside in the middle of a street, you get yourself 3-5Mbps which is what you can get on a t-mobile 3G phone.  Winning? (-10 for being completely stupid)

          If you idiots really think Sprint is going to offer unlimited internet past 2012, well then I am actually the tooth fairy, I drink too much and it makes me vulgar.  Look at their ETF increase, Upgrade Fee doubled, Just put a cap and overage on tethering.  Sprint is trying their hardest to do everything AT&T is doing while pretending to “look out” for their customer base.  

          95% of you people crying about unlimited internet don’t ever pass 5GB.  You see something on television and repeat it as if it is suddenly something you needed all the time but you don’t even understand wireless plans.  If you want Sprint, go enjoy their slowass data connections, I’ve been there, I’ll pass.  Why are you on a t-mobile forum again anyway?

        • Anonymous

          80-75 =5 but who’s counting anyway?  Besides that is just for the first 20 months, for the remaining four the difference is $20.  Value Plans are not available at Big Box retailers and they offer the same deep discounts on tmo products as they do on all products, so that argument doesnt even make sense.  The truly unlimited plan also has 2GB of internet.

        • http://ashn.myopenid.com/ Ash

          Look at total cost of Plan + Phone for 2 years.
          No just how much you pay for a phone upfront.
           

      • 21stNow

        Did you mean Value instead of classic? Isn’t the classic unlimited everything $99?

        • Anonymous

          No, you are thinking the Legacy Even More.  Classic is the truly unlimited at 79.99 that was advertised everywhere until the Value 59.99 was released.

        • 21stNow

          I see.  I stand corrected.

      • 21stNow

        Did you mean Value instead of classic? Isn’t the classic unlimited everything $99?

    • Tommyboy

      Bye.

    • Tommyboy

      Bye.

  • Miro

    how is sales tax charged on EIP, on the bill separately?

    • Anonymous

      Sales Tax is paid up front, the out of pocket cost is usually still cheaper than the cost on a classic plan since you usually wind up having to pay for the MIR upfront.

      Example:

      Classic Plan in NY w/ a Sensation you pay $272.19 w/ $50 MIR back and $79.99 monthly.

      Value Plan in NY w/ a Sensation you pay $244.39 up front and 74.98 monthly.  

      Out of pocket is cheaper, monthly cost is cheaper.

    • Anonymous

      Sales Tax is paid up front, the out of pocket cost is usually still cheaper than the cost on a classic plan since you usually wind up having to pay for the MIR upfront.

      Example:

      Classic Plan in NY w/ a Sensation you pay $272.19 w/ $50 MIR back and $79.99 monthly.

      Value Plan in NY w/ a Sensation you pay $244.39 up front and 74.98 monthly.  

      Out of pocket is cheaper, monthly cost is cheaper.

    • Nikki1210

      You pay the taxes up front with your down payment.

    • tmoadvisor

      You pay the sales tax upfront on the total purchase of the item, not jus the down payment. There is no additional tax added to the bill.

    • Shwimdroid

      The EIP doesn’t include tax….. you pay it off with the down payment in the store. That way, only the cost of the device is paid in Installments.

  • http://twitter.com/KARMA773 Karma

    SEP24  DEAL IS WORST EVER DEAL I HAVE SEEN AS A CUSTOMER  FOR THE LAST 9 YRS!

    they should stop the nonsense confusing  explaination on what they are doing on sep 24h  and just say
    ” on sep 24th,  IF YOU ARE A NEW CUSTOMER OR ELIGIBLE TO UPGRADE AFTER 18 OR 24TH MONTHS,buy phone for full price and   get the cheap  value plans”
    IF YOU ARE CURRENT CUSTOMER AND NOT ON VALUE PLAN AND NOT ELIGIBLE FOR UPGRADE, PAY $200 TO GET THE VALUE PLAN PLUS FULL COST OF THE PHONES”

  • Joshuag9

    so you say for only 20 months i’ll have to pay for my phone, and then i wont have to pay for 4 months. by then, i’m going to upgrade so i’ll be paying for my new phone another 20 months?? so over a period of 4 years (2 phones) i am paying for 40 months, and not paying for it for 8 months? 

    • Senpai_tsunade

      yes… so after 20moths, then you’re contract isdone and you wont have to pay an ETF  to cancel , but after your 20 months is done then your monthly bill should be reduced, they should deduct the 15$ off your financing installments ,otherwise youd be paying more than the actual cost of the device if you decide to continue yur contract and not upgrade… right?

      • ShwimDroid

        That’s correct…. the point of this plan is to give the customer a new option when they are in the market for newer and better rate plan. You don’t need to buy a phone when you switch to a Value Plan. It just gives you a lower monthly recurring charge and cheaper features… and when you decide to purchase a phone, then you can finance it for the 20 months and still pay less (in most cases) than if you were on a Classic Plan. Once your Payment Plan is finished, then your Monthly charges are reduced back to what they were before you bought the phone. Then, you can go as long as you want at the cheaper price until you want to buy another phone. 

        • DT… sucks

          You sir/ma’am, explained it very well. T-Mobile needs more employees/people like you. 

      • 21stNow

        No, the contract is for two years, not 20 months. If you were to leave T-mobile at month 20, you would still owe an ETF, though it may be a prorated ETF by then.

  • Now_onTMO

    so another plan? is tmobile advertising this on tv ? they should if they want to get the public’s attention… i dont think people on blog sites would be willing to break their contracts just to get this plan..
    im on even more and classic plans…

  • Alex wardlaw

    omg… CELL PLANS JUST SUCK.. no matter what carrier… they are all screwing us… NOW T-mobile wants to confuse the hell out of people and stick them with a phone for 2 years that will be obsolete as soon as you walk out the door… Doesnt sound like a good deal to me…

    • Ross

      Its not this confusing in other countries from what my friends overseas tell me

  • Former T-Mo Rep

    I am SOOOO glad I quit T-Mobile Customer Care. I can’t wait to cancel my service with T-Mobile as well.

    • Integrity

      Glad u got fired for screwing other reps over with mrc…

      • DT… sucks

        lmfao … cause it’s probably true

    • Integrity

      Glad u got fired for screwing other reps over with mrc…

  • Jimkenobi

    Bottom line is that this sale is ill conceived. Classic customers don’t get a discount. Value plans are not easily understood and don’t work in this country, where you are bribed with a discounted phone to sign a contract. That is why em+ failed too.

    • http://twitter.com/KARMA773 Karma

      tmobile top people are  bunch of bastards.

      • Tbyrne

        To throw that statement out like you did makes me think of the old saying: “It takes one to know one.”

    • Ross

      How are they even advertising this?  I haven’t seen any commercials…and Im an existing customer and haven’t gotten anything from them.  I did get a hangup today – and when I called the number, it was Tmobile but they didn’t leave a message so I don’t know what that was about.

      • 21stNow

        I don’t watch tv but I have seen plenty of Internet ads for it.

    • Mark Caswell

      This works much better in Europe because when you buy a phone… it is unlocked and works with ALL carriers… Doesn’t work here because you buy a phone here… it’s locked… and if you get it unlocked you can go to provider that who doesn’t have 3g+ that is compatible with your brick.

  • Tmo Fan

    What is the ETF if I break my contract (read Value Plan contract) after two months???

    • 21stNow

      $200 plus the remaining balance of your phone’s price.

      • Anonymous

        And this is why, as tempting as the value plan is, I will not be switching from my grandfathered month to month plan.

        You owe $200 even though you really havent recieved any subsidy if you have to cancel the contract early.

        It should be the opposite of the classic plans etf. With the classic plan you get the subsidy up front, so you owe the $200 right away. With the value plan you are trickled the subsidy.

         So the value plan etf should start small and then grow? Not sure I’d sign up for that either really.

  • http://twitter.com/rdubmu Robert

    I think the migration fee is stupid. It is basically an early termination fee. If I can’t go to a value plan then I can go to a competitor. T-Mobile doesn’t want me as a customer. I understand, it was never this hard in the past to change plans. Now it is. Yes I want to save money but I also want to stay with T-Mobile. I guess I have no choice but to leave once I have saved up for the ETF and a new phone with a competitor. (not at&t)

    • Ross

      You’re right – one would think Tmobile would do whatever they could to try to keep existing customers since its more expensive to get a new customer than to keep an existing one and yet over and over and over , they do everything possible to alienate existing customers…Many of us are longtime Tmobilers who wanted to be loyal but are so fed up with the way we’re being treated that it basically feels like t heyre forcing us into competitors’ hands.  I really don’t understand what management is thinking

    • Jimpoop

      The problem is in the way the migration fee is explained.  The migration fee is assessed because (assuming) you most likely received a discount on your current phone and signed a contract saying you are willing to pay $XX.XX for 2 years.  If you want to switch to a less expensive Value plan then you are essentially breaking the original contract and are asking for a second discount (on the new Value Plan.) Unfortunately we don’t get a discount just because we want one.  

    • Jimpoop

      The problem is in the way the migration fee is explained.  The migration fee is assessed because (assuming) you most likely received a discount on your current phone and signed a contract saying you are willing to pay $XX.XX for 2 years.  If you want to switch to a less expensive Value plan then you are essentially breaking the original contract and are asking for a second discount (on the new Value Plan.) Unfortunately we don’t get a discount just because we want one.  

  • Lilt53221

    Can anyone answer this question for me….. WHEN IS THE BEST TIME TO CALL CUSTOMER CARE? EVERYTIME I CALL, IM ONHOLD FOR SO LONG THAT I JUST HANG UP. THERE CUSTOMER SERVICE SUCKS.I REMEMBER WHEN U COULD TALK TO SOME ALMOST IN A SNAP OF THE FINGERS, BUT NOW ITS LIKE GETTING A HOLD OF THE UNEMPLOYMENTS AGENTS. MAYBE ITS JUST ME BUT PLEASE SOMEONE, ANYONE GIVE ME AN ANSWER

    • Ali

      Call the store.
      Go into the store.
      Have the store call for you.

    • Ali

      Sorry, I forgot to put the first part, which is why you should go to/call a store.

      I have heard that if you are a “frequent” caller that they put you on delayed queue to take care of other customers.  Not 100% sure ont he merit of this, but it makes sense.

      Also, you should be able to sign up for a callback, which is what I always end up doing.  Just as fast and you’re in as soon as the automated system calls you back.

      • Lilt53221

        How do u sign up for a callback. I dont get that option anymore. Plus im a frequent caller but inever get a hold of.anyone. Its real annoying.its like if i have any problems i have to go to a store.

      • Lilt53221

        How do u sign up for a callback. I dont get that option anymore. Plus im a frequent caller but inever get a hold of.anyone. Its real annoying.its like if i have any problems i have to go to a store.

    • Ross

      Consider yourself lucky.  Everytime Ive talked to them, they’ve given me wrong information so it hasn’t been much help.  If you live near a store, you can try going to them.  But you’re right, Tmob service has really gone down in the last 2 years but it extends to management.  I had to deal with the ‘executive customer relations’ and the woman JUDY SALAS was one of the rudest, most inconsiderate people I have ever dealt with.  Her behavior alone is going to make me leave Tmobile as soon as my contract is over – and luckily thats very soon.

    • Rudez

      Maybe we r sick of being yelled at by u self righteous jerks…who talk to us like crap….100 calls a day…yeah..try being nuce when u call in…get u much further

    • DT… sucks

      Ahhh I remember those days, when calling a CSR was an enjoyable experience. Unfortunately this has changed and from what I can tell, a lot calls to a CSR are outsourced, either to India or the Philipines :(. T-Mobile Reps get the shaft too when trying to call customer service. It’s sad, but I think Tmo is trying to fix those long wait times, don’t know when, but I remember reading on here that they were. 

      I would say you’re best bet is to go into a Retail Store and see if they can fix your problem. Hopefully you’ll get a Rep who has been there long enough that knows how to utilize the same system CSRs use. If the Rep has to call customer service you have 2 options:

      1. Tell the Rep it’s okay and you’ll handle it on your own.

      2. Pull up a chair

      Sorry if this isn’t the answer you were looking for. Honesty sucks sometimes, but that’s how things are nowadays in Magenta land, from my experience anyways. 

  • BigMixxx

    So in a nutshell…

    Pay full price for the phone over 20 months and get a discounted rate plan or go on contract with the discounted price and get just and not get the discounted rate plan.

    Soooooooooo which one benefits?  To each it’s liking.  So close but yet so far for….

    Just give the phones away again and pay the local tax on full price of the new phones..!  Lock ‘em for 2 years…

    • n900mixalot

      I’m not paying full tax up front on something that I’m paying for over time. That’s not cool.

      • PatheticLoser

        I see, so what you’d rather do is have the cost of the phone added to your phone bill and added to the taxes you pay on it monthly…20 times? I’m not even bothering with the math on that.

        • n900mixalot

          No, what i am getting at is that I don’t want to deal with two contracts in one. I only want to pay the subsidized price and then pay the monthly service cost, that way I am not paying for two separate obligations: the phone and the service.

    • Miro

      you can come out quite ahead on a value plan and equipment install plan, but the savings shrink or go bust if the phone/s you want are offered free on contract

  • Ross

    Your explanation shows why this is so confusing.  You have to have a Masters in Accounting to try to figure out what your price would be for each phone and what would be the best deal.  You also call the Tmob data unlimited when its up to 2gb – and  you compare an ATT plan with an iPhone to a Tmob plan without an iPhone.  Thats not really a fair comparison.  If your bosses would get an iPhone, then you’d have a lot of customers sticking with you.  Its also rough when for the most part each company has different phones so you can’t really compare.  If you’re just going on price, then you can go to Metro PCS or Boost or Virgin Mobile or Walmart Family (which uses the Tmobile system).  With the VALUE, I still don’t understand if Id have to pay a migration fee or not…or how do I figure out what my cost would be for each phone as thats not what shows up when I log into my account and choose UPGRADE (which by the way only offers me about 10-15 phone choices) and don’t even get me started into what happens if I call or try to live chat with cust serv – They are just so incompetent and ALWAYS give me incorrect information about contracts, phone and plan prices, etc so I don’t really know whom to believe.  The VALUE plan may work for some people but if you make it that tough to figure out – and you don’t really advertise or promote it- and most of your employees can’t explain it – then your marketing department is not doing a  good job.  I guess you have to price each phone with each plan to figure it out, and then figure out if even you can qualify for the value plan.

  • Dpro

    LOL I stated this earlier and I will state it again. Even though T Mobile seems intent on showing people they can supposedly save via the European method i.e. buy your phone outright truth be told you really don’t save if you are already a T Mobile customer as you most likely already have a plan that is cheap enough to play against what they offer.
    For instance I have an unlimited loyalty plan for $50 plus 5gb data for $25 plus text for $5 which comes out to $80 same as the classic plan with only 2GB of data.  Now given that. Lets say I want to get a New HTC sensation. I can get it at many places if not T Mobile directly for $100 with no rebate. I am then in a 2 year contract at $80 either way with my grandfathered plan or with the new classic plan.

    So T Mobile try’s to convince me I will say money going with the Value plan for $60 which gives me unlimited minutes 2GB of data and text. Though I will have to make a down payment on the Sensation of $200 with a $100 rebate and pay $15 a month till $499 is paid. Except when all is said and done the $15 a month I supposedly saved is actually still going to T Mobile for the phone.

    For none T Mobile customers this might be a decent deal for most T Mobile customers its a bait and switch. Now if there $60 Value plan was actually cheaper like say $40-50 it would actually start to really save me money . Alas as it stands its pretty much a wash. Either way I am still putting out a $100 for a phone.

    • Jeter_81

      Which is why the post says grandfathered rate plans are not being discussed.

    • Anonymous

      There is a $20 difference in price, if you get a $100 rebate you are paying $399 not $499.  

    • Ross

      Tmob won’t let me keep my grandfathered plan if I upgrade a phone…So Im basically stuck w which is why I most likely will leave TMob – and if I do, I prob will end up with an iPhone since every friend and family member of mine has it (at least I ll be able to imessenger and FaceTime with them now).  Basically I can only keep my cheaper grandfathered plan as long as I keep my old phone – which is gonna die soon.  If I get a new phone, I need a new plan…and their choices for ‘upgrades’ or existing customers suck compared to what they offer new customers.  I only get a handful of models to even choose from and the prices are always more expensive than the new customer offers, which really pisses me off.  Plus why do these companies even charge upgrade fees- its another totally bogus charge.

  • http://twitter.com/2bzen Steve Hy

    I’m more confused after reading this post.  Maybe it’s time to jump to Sprint.

    • Tbyrne

      Just make sure you go to the bank first to withdrawal about double of what you were paying to T-Mobile! Sigh!!!

  • Blackcat3119

    The 2 problems with this is 1. Sensation has been $99 at best buy a while now. 2. With no contract (you just get the phone on credit), tmo. At$t or whoever can do what they want,the phone is your property from day one. No contract for at$t to honor. You own a phone that will not work on any network. too bad. My contract is up in jan. See ya soon Mr. Hess.

    • Miro

      you get the phone at BestBuy which has its own early termination fee if you don’t keep service for a specific amount of time. So if you wan’t to cancel and move on or modify your Tmobile plan you’ll get slapped with Best Buy early termination fee AND Tmobile. Costly!

    • Tbyrne

      You just made Dan a happy man. :) Hesse’s probably just loving all this crap that’s going on. Hopefully this whole process will be coming to an end soon!

    • Tbyrne

      You just made Dan a happy man. :) Hesse’s probably just loving all this crap that’s going on. Hopefully this whole process will be coming to an end soon!

  • Anonymous

    I want a plan that offers Unlimited Data, Minutes, and Texts for cheap. $49.99 like they had for a limited time, but I want that plan to be permanent

    • Ross

      Thats what the smaller companies offer.  They just have crappy phones.  But I think Boost offers t hat doesn’t it?  So do others – I don’t know about their quality – like Metro PCS  or even walmart family – which is basically tmobile repackaged

      • Anonymous

        I want these plans using GSM Companies. Most small companies like Metro PCS use CDMA, And i want to be able to switch phones when I want to.

        • Ross

          Understood.  Im not a cell phone expert and have only used GSM int he past. If you have a CDMA, how do you switch phones – do you have to input all your data again since you can’t just change  SIM cards or do they have some kind of transfer mechanism?  I assume the do since tens of millions of people are on CDMA plans.  I don’t know how all this tech stuff works.  All I know is when Ive gotten new phones with Tmob in the past, there has always been problems with the sim card transfers.  IT would be good if they’d have their 49.99 plan for an individual – not make you have to buy 2 lines.  I still don’t understand their marketing plan and why they alienate existing customers so much..and I really really don’t understand their lack of promotion over this big sale which I assume is their big Fall event and attempt as a pre-emptive strike to the iPhone hysteria that they’ll be left out of in a couple weeks

        • Anonymous

          For CDMA, you have to go to a authorized carrier store, and they will program the information into the phone for you. A sort of internal SIM card you can call it, some people do have access to a store nearby, and it is very inconvenient if your phones breaks. Unlike GSM, the information is stored on the SIM card, and you can change it in a moment’s notice. Very useful if your phone broke, and you need to use the phone instantly.

  • Kmobster

    if you cancel the value plan, you get nothing on your hand except early termination fee.  I usually cancel my contract after a year of usage and pay ETF after sell my used phone on ebay. Honestly speaking nobody pays 199 for high-end devices. Best buy offers a lot cheaper on contract.

  • n900mixalot

    There is a SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE between entering into a mobile phone service contract AND entering into a FINANCE AGREEMENT. You can potentially be held to two DIFFERENT contracts, as if one contract wasn’t confusing enough for customers. Of course if the customer doesn’t mess up and become delinquent, they do get a “discount” on service that isn’t really a discount at all–it’s just a cost-shifting mechanism.

    And what about new phones like the Blackberry Bold 4G? That phone costs $599 so how is the additional $100 made up? Well, they end up paying the additional $20 on top of the $59.99 so they are paying $79.99 a month. Where are the savings??!! People usually enter into new agreements for newer, top of the line phones. There’s no saving though until after the 20 months, so for FOUR MONTHS they are paying 59.99, “saving” $80.

    What about insurance, fees, etc.? Is there a financing fee? It says no interest, but that doesn’t mean no financing fees. And paying the full amount of tax up front for something that you’re not purchasing outright? What’s up with that? And are we paying universal service fund fees on $59.99, or are we paying on the total monthly charge? This raises more questions than answers, and potentially fees that preclude any real savings.

    I’d rather pay $199 for the device, pay 79.99 per month, and not have to worry about the terms of two different contracts changing mid-stroke. I don’t feel comfortable paying for something over a longer period of time that is tied to two separate obligations: 1, the phone “financing” agreement, and 2, the service contract.

    So after all of that, is there no more $199 up front for device and $79.99 per month for 2 years?

    • Anonymous

      Shutup! You’re super annoying and have no clue wth you’re saying…

      • n900mixalot

        What is “wth”. Too many words huh? Poor baby. Learn how to read and how to type, and maybe your brain won’t hurt so badly when you try to look smart.

      • n900mixalot

        What is “wth”. Too many words huh? Poor baby. Learn how to read and how to type, and maybe your brain won’t hurt so badly when you try to look smart.

        • Anonymous

          Facebook? lmao (laughing my ass off)! Since you don’t know what an acronym is, who says i use facebook? You need to go back to school mr. n900, who the hell uses Nokia these days? Like seriously….

        • n900mixalot

          like, yeah, like i was like pointing like out like what a like tool you like are based like on your like foolish response. way to like be like LATE to the party. i like know like what ftw like means, but you are like too like special needs to actually like write out a like sentence with like three letters per like word and only three like words in it. like.

    • Anonymous

      Shutup! You’re super annoying and have no clue wth you’re saying…

    • Anonymous

      the max you can be billed monthly is $15.  Stopped reading at that point, you need to learn the facts…

      • n900mixalot

        And you’re on the hook for two contractual obligations (device and service) which is ludicrous. You can’t just read part of something someone writes and think you know enough to dismiss the rest.

    • Piff

      There is NO Finance Charge and No Interest. The Bold 9900 is $300 down payment and $15 a month.

      • n900mixalot

        You still have to pay the full purchase taxes up front instead of paying taxes on the subsidized amount. You’re also on the hook for two separate contractual obligations: (1) the phone purchase price which you pay 15 a month, (2) the service contract.

    • Piff

      There is NO Finance Charge and No Interest. The Bold 9900 is $300 down payment and $15 a month.

    • Piff

      There is NO Finance Charge and No Interest. The Bold 9900 is $300 down payment and $15 a month.

    • Riggs

      Matter of fact, your right. get the classic and pay more. im sure the rep who helps you would love the fact that you are a fool and ends up paying more because you are afraid to learn a new concept that challenges your current way of thinking. more commission is paid out when someone pays more. so pay more, we need more customers like you. bring your whole family too.

    • Riggs

      Matter of fact, your right. get the classic and pay more. im sure the rep who helps you would love the fact that you are a fool and ends up paying more because you are afraid to learn a new concept that challenges your current way of thinking. more commission is paid out when someone pays more. so pay more, we need more customers like you. bring your whole family too.

      • Anonymous

        lmao!!!

      • n900mixalot

        Uh, you don’t understand a word I wrote. Contracts are contracts. A contract with one obligation carries far less risk than one with two obligations. The first obligation is the device financing. the second is for service.

    • Riggs

      Matter of fact, your right. get the classic and pay more. im sure the rep who helps you would love the fact that you are a fool and ends up paying more because you are afraid to learn a new concept that challenges your current way of thinking. more commission is paid out when someone pays more. so pay more, we need more customers like you. bring your whole family too.

  • Shwimdroid

    If anyone is confused, just call or visit a Corporately Owned Retail Store and have them give you a comparison of Classic Plans vs Value Plans….. it’s quite simple.

  • Shwimdroid

    If anyone is confused, just call or visit a Corporately Owned Retail Store and have them give you a comparison of Classic Plans vs Value Plans….. it’s quite simple.

  • jrr

    That’s interesting, given the current strategy of giving them to everybody!

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  • Miro

    Wirefly = early termination fee in addition to the one from tmobile. Plus, to get an advertised discount they have minimum plan and data addons required, else the price goes up. And you can’t change up your service, or cancel, for at least 181 days or you get ETF from Wirefly and Tmobile

  • Miro

    Wirefly = early termination fee in addition to the one from tmobile. Plus, to get an advertised discount they have minimum plan and data addons required, else the price goes up. And you can’t change up your service, or cancel, for at least 181 days or you get ETF from Wirefly and Tmobile

    • Brian

      The ETF in your example Miro is only from Wirefly.  If you start service through Wirefly and call Tmob to change your plan they dont charge you an ETF.  You would be subject to a migration fee as explained in the article above.

      • Miro

        you’re right indeed, should’ve clarified if you wanted to break contract before the 181 days is up then it’s 2 ETFs

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  • Anonymous

    The “sale” is offer a mail-in rebate on a full price device.  I know most hate mail-in rebates, but IMO it is better to offer one than not to.  

    PLEASE READ THIS

    Let’s use the Sensation for example.  Walmart pricing for device is $98.00 and you must be on a Classic Plan ($79.99/month Unl Talk/Text/2GB web).  Total cost over 24 months including phone = $2018.00

    Using the pricing from the T-Mobile promotion Value Plan phone cost is $399.99 after $100 mail-in and a monthly plan cost ($59.99/month Unl Talk/Text/2GB web).   Total cost over 24 months including phone = $1840.00

    So while you only pay $98.00 for the Sensation at Walmart you still spend $178.00 more for that upfront discount.  $178.00 isn’t much but if T-Mobile offered 3 months of service free you wouldn’t complain ($60 * 3 months = $180 approx the savings amount)

  • Unknown

    This promotion just fails, T-Mobile knows and worries that they will lose a lot of customers leaving to the other big 3′s because of iPhone 5 coming out. Good game T-Mobile. You lost me and majority of people. Critics who comment below me are the minors, for example: “Who cares about an iPhone? It’s just a phone, everyone has it. Get an android.” Well, I gotta tell you, I got an android phone and it’s crap, I hate it. iPhone exceeds my expectations, and I know that when I see some kid around 12 gets an iPhone, I am just disgust by it because they aren’t really using the “phone” part as an advantage, just using it as a game portable device. I could go on and write an essay about this, but I proved some point.

    • H8idiots

      Lol..thank god u left tmobile…u were probably one of the jerks that would call up customer service and treat them like crap….good riddance…android rules!

    • Tbyrne

      T-Mobile “LOST” you because of a promotion and/or because the iphones coming out? Yes the iphone is a great phone. If the Android phone you have is crap, could be that particular model or the user. Look! If you want a phone that does this and that and fits your needs, get it. Let those who prefer an Android or WP7 enjoy theirs also.

  • Unknown

    This promotion just fails, T-Mobile knows and worries that they will lose a lot of customers leaving to the other big 3′s because of iPhone 5 coming out. Good game T-Mobile. You lost me and majority of people. Critics who comment below me are the minors, for example: “Who cares about an iPhone? It’s just a phone, everyone has it. Get an android.” Well, I gotta tell you, I got an android phone and it’s crap, I hate it. iPhone exceeds my expectations, and I know that when I see some kid around 12 gets an iPhone, I am just disgust by it because they aren’t really using the “phone” part as an advantage, just using it as a game portable device. I could go on and write an essay about this, but I proved some point.

  • Lu

    out of my 28 posts last month, about 25 were value plans…the catch is tho, say if they wanna cancel a line, they have to pay the ETF($200) and the remaining balance from the EIP…T-Mobiles number one issue is losing customers, a $200 ETF is lower than any other carrier, but add an extra $100-$300 for example and your paying almost $300-500 to cancel your line and pay off the rest of the phone your not even gonna use anymore…1 reason alot of older customers upgrading switch to a value plan is because if they have a partial upgrade and are at the 18 months or over in there contract and upgrade tenure and still don’t have a full upgrade(22 months) but wanna get a phone,  than than they can get the phone for the full down payment price the value plan offers with no upgrade fees, no rebates compared to a classic plan upgrade tenure being at 19 months and instead of a Sensation being $200 on a classic plan cause it’s still not at 22 months, it’s $350 with a $50 rebate and an upgrade fee, but when you tell a cust, you can get this phone for $200 today and that’s it, plus a lower plan, they’ll do it…just 1 scenario for example, a little confusing but alot of people want a new phone in a year or so now, they don’t wanna wait 2 years…or there phone starts to break down after a year, it happens…so this is just another option for them to get a phone, plus keeping T-Mobile happy for them renewing for 2 years 

    • Riggs

      thats why you do value, finance the phone with no interest, and when you want a new phone u sell that ish on ebay dawg. for example, the BB Bold 9900 goes for over 700 unlocked on ebay, true story. its 300 down and 15 a month (total 600). If you sell it for 700, u can put the next down payment on your new phone and pay off your original phone in full. winning. T-Mobile is the best been a cust for 7 years and counting!!!

    • Anonymous

      Out of my 50 posts last month around 40 of them were value :)! Can’t wait till August’s final comp statement is released so they can include the “spiff”. I’LL be super pissed off if they don’t include it in this check either -_-…

  • Lu

    out of my 28 posts last month, about 25 were value plans…the catch is tho, say if they wanna cancel a line, they have to pay the ETF($200) and the remaining balance from the EIP…T-Mobiles number one issue is losing customers, a $200 ETF is lower than any other carrier, but add an extra $100-$300 for example and your paying almost $300-500 to cancel your line and pay off the rest of the phone your not even gonna use anymore…1 reason alot of older customers upgrading switch to a value plan is because if they have a partial upgrade and are at the 18 months or over in there contract and upgrade tenure and still don’t have a full upgrade(22 months) but wanna get a phone,  than than they can get the phone for the full down payment price the value plan offers with no upgrade fees, no rebates compared to a classic plan upgrade tenure being at 19 months and instead of a Sensation being $200 on a classic plan cause it’s still not at 22 months, it’s $350 with a $50 rebate and an upgrade fee, but when you tell a cust, you can get this phone for $200 today and that’s it, plus a lower plan, they’ll do it…just 1 scenario for example, a little confusing but alot of people want a new phone in a year or so now, they don’t wanna wait 2 years…or there phone starts to break down after a year, it happens…so this is just another option for them to get a phone, plus keeping T-Mobile happy for them renewing for 2 years 

  • Sir Phil

    Personally, I’ll just stick with my Even More Plus account (with 10GB Data) and buy my phones for half on EBay (with a Square Trade full Warranty for a one time fee of approx $30). Forget the $199 down payment (I paid $190 for my Motorola Defy on Ebay), forget the $15 – $20 month for the phone. And Forget the Contract!

    • Anonymous

      no EM+ has a 10GB data throttle point.  It really is amazing how little you people know about your plans.

    • Yogi

      First, Even More Plus plans include 5GB of high speed data, with no other options. Value Plans give you the option of 2GB, 5GB, or 10GB.

      Second, you aren’t required to purchase the phones with the down payment and monthly fee on the Value Plans. You can purchase the phones any way you want just like with Even More Plus, including buying them on eBay. The down payment and monthly fee is just the equipment installment option that is available, the same as it is available on Even More Plus, but it is not required.

    • Yogi

      First, Even More Plus plans include 5GB of high speed data, with no other options. Value Plans give you the option of 2GB, 5GB, or 10GB.

      Second, you aren’t required to purchase the phones with the down payment and monthly fee on the Value Plans. You can purchase the phones any way you want just like with Even More Plus, including buying them on eBay. The down payment and monthly fee is just the equipment installment option that is available, the same as it is available on Even More Plus, but it is not required.

  • 21stNow

    People used to “classic” styled plans are not the only ones who don’t like the Value Plan. Those of us that think that paying full retail price should mean no strings attached (contract) don’t like the Value Plan either.

    • Aantoine87

      this comment right here is just one of the reasons i think people are dumb in general 

      regardless if you know it or not, you always pay full price for your phone once its through the carrier

    • Aantoine87

      this comment right here is just one of the reasons i think people are dumb in general 

      regardless if you know it or not, you always pay full price for your phone once its through the carrier

      • 21stNow

        What’s dumb about it?  I’m not arguing that people don’t pay for their phones over the life of traditional contracts.  My point is that T-Mobile’s advantage with EMP plans in the past was that you paid a lower monthly price and had no contract.  Now, you still have the advantage of a lower monthly price, but are now tied to a contract.  With other carriers, you have the advantage of no contract but have to pay the full monthly price.  It’s pick your poison rather than T-Mobile having two reasons to choose them.

  • Anonymous

    Everyone should have done this math based on their individual situations long time ago. Nice article though… Now allow me to address a really nagging issue right f*cking now:

    For weeks, this site has been bombarded by spam from jerseymall..org

    Can anyone locate the origin server and take a baseball bat to that Pentium 4 box ( I know it’s a cheap old comp, either a P4 or a 10 yeard old emachines comp) Oh, and don’t forget to wear one of their $21 sport jerseys when you do.

    Next, I want the son of gun behind that site chained, starved, tortured and brought before me so I can look him in the eye and ask him if he will ever spam again…

    • http://tmonews.com David

      It’s not just us, the same spammer has been hitting other networks…Disqus is trying to lock him out but its a cat and mouse game. Every IP he uses, email and user name I ban it and then they come right back.