Snapdragon Showdown


Let’s be honest, the most coveted phone processor out there (right now) is the Snapdragon processor.  It is advancing smartphones past their cell phone cousins and putting them closer to netbooks.  Currently, you can get your hands on this beautiful piece of silicon if you get yourself a Nexus One.  If you are in to waiting, then you know the HTC HD2 also features this very same processor and it will soon grace us with its presence.  With these two monsters humming along with a snapdragon processor, and running on T-Mobile’s 3G, we will have the choice of two of the most powerful and advanced cell phones in the world.  This may make a decision between the two extremely difficult.  Step in the PhoneDog/DroidDog crew to put together one of their Dog Fights of these super phones.  [I'll warn you though, John Walton (the guy who is lucky enough to spend time with both simultaneously) is a die hard Android fan].  Personally, I could go either way, but I am saving my opinion until after Microsoft shows off Windows Mobile 7.  With that, go forth and watch the gorgeous hardware that HTC has manufactured.  Part two after the break and don’t forget to leave your thoughts in the comments!

Phonedog – Part 1, Part 2

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  • watbetch

    I want to stick his fat sausage fingers in his mouth so he can shut the F up. There is an easy way to say what he wanted to without it being his opinion.

    • Mockerfab4

      I gave up halfway through part 2, when he started giving us his opinions rather then showing us the phones.

      We get it dude, you like Android because you like the settings, you don’t use it for business (like most WM users), yada yada yada…geez, move on!

      Part 1 was nice. The HD2 is a beast! I seriously can’t wait for that sucker to come out. Although the WM7 stuff I’m reading is making me back off just a little.

      • analog spirit

        Agreed; just show us the phones, their features and specs, and any other pertinent details we need to know about them. No more, and no less… “Just the facts.”
        Good point about WM being used for business use; this all too often gets overlooked. The HD2 does seem to have an advantage in the business world; since it already has WM 6.5 (soon WM 7), I can see how it’ll “hit the ground running” in that arena when it’s released. Android has a bit further to go in that realm, but will probably catch up as more apps become available.

      • Mockerfab4

        From what I hear, Android does has an app that syncs Outlook mail, calendar and contacts, but it costs $15! Yikes. My phones in the past BB, WM and iPhone all had this feature right out of the box. Google forces down your throat to use their mail, calendar and contacts. If not, you have to pay $15 for it. This is why after about 3 weeks I shipped the Android phone back. While it does everything else nicely where it epically failed is on the business part. I do appreciate this guy mentioning that, but I think he should emphasize that a bit more for business users who use WM. I didn’t watch all of it, because his love for Android was making me vomit, so maybe he did in the final 2 minutes.

      • analog spirit

        $15 for one app? That’s ridiculous, unless it’s one good app that’s really worth getting. I didn’t know that about the N1, that it was THAT inadequate for the business realm. I guess we can only hope that Google will fix that as the Android platform matures.
        And BTW, I don’t think he made any significant mention of the business uses of the HD2; at least I don’t remember hearing him say anything about it (someone correct me if I’m wrong). All I really remember most was him being stuck on expressing his love for Android… And I was thinking, “OK, we get it; you’re from Droid Dog and you like Android. But let’s move on…”

      • 4ty-phive

        Not to worry because I’m sure that someone has loaded android on the HD2 (Dual boot, of course). That is my dream phone….HD2 running android.

    • Rossi

      Poor Watbetch.

  • pdxduckfan

    I have the HTC Touch HD and love it. I have a big Stiffy waiting for the HD2…..it’s gonna be soo sweet!

  • analog spirit

    Both of these are really nice… Pretty soon, I just KNOW someone’s going to figure out a way to put Android 2.1 on the HD2, and put Sense UI on the N1, if they haven’t already… I’m still leaning mainly toward the N1, but I’d still consider the HD2 if I were to test it and find that it would better suit my needs.

  • thatdude

    Can someone please slap a physical keyboard on one of these phones? That is all I need to be happy.

    • chris p

      then maybe you should get a droid?
      if they put a keyboard along with a snapdragon processor, the cost for manufacturing these phones will soar… that’s one reason they don’t design it that way. or Maybe you should wait til a 1.2 GHz processor comes out then it would make the snapdragon less valuable then they will be able to put snapdragon and keyboard for a price value people will pay… you don’t want a phone that will go up to 800 unlocked coz then no one would really buy it. maybe a few, but not much. however if u don’t put a keyboard on it, cut on ur cost and still produce a great beast handset, then you can sell it like the n1 for 530 and people would dig it…

      • rushmore

        The KB is not as high to add as you think and more people would by the device- if thins like Droid, of course. Economy of scale is their best friend. The more they make and sell, the more profit :)

        Now, if they were to sell the same total of units with or without a KB at same price, then yes, they would make less money. Fact is the most common complaint by reviews and consumers are the devices have no keyboard. Seems like the lack of a 3.5mm jack HTC issue has been taken over by no KB. Funny.

  • PHONE FREAK

    actually we wanna know ALL the facts, THEN see how he relates that to his opinion

  • rushmore

    Neither have a physical KB, so they BOTH lose ;)

  • SteveG1

    After using Android for over a year now its clear to me that it’s really just an enhanced feature phone rather than a smartphone. The functionality of WinMo decimates Android in all areas. Android was cool in late 2008 but the luster was gone after 6 months. Back to WinMo for me and can’t wait for the HD2!

    • kershon

      I agree. I have been rocking blackberries for the last year. I bought a TP2 a week ago and haven’t looked back. I was going to wait on the HD2 and I’m glad I didn’t. I really like the hardware keyboard.

  • Jonathan

    I hope they open pre-orders soon, I want to get my HD2 the day it is released if possible!

    • Wilma Flintstone

      This will be the first phone I preorder. Will be waiting for them to open the order forms. Hopefully it doesn’t cost too much. I can see up to $350 for it, any higher is pushing it.

  • ndy500fan

    I’m going to be one of those idiots that I make fun of waiting outside the Tmobile store in a tent when the HD2 goes on sale. Can’t wait to turn my Curve into the paper weight that it has proven to be. See Ya Blackberry.

  • SardoNumspa

    Anybody know what the UI is he has on that N1?

    Want.

    • SteveG1

      Androids stock UI…which is cool for like 6 months, lol. Then you will wish you had a device with Sense or TouchFlo.

      • SardoNumspa

        That is not the homescreen I have on my N1.

        How did he get the top info bar off the screen and the dock bar to replace the applications button?

      • B

        You don’t like Android anymore. We get it.

      • Gophergun

        Then you root it and put a version of Android with Sense on it :p

        Or, if you get tired of that, you could use one with Motorola’s interface, or any number of custom ones. You can customize it to do just about anything you want it to.

    • Andrew

      He uses the free application (for now at least) Home++. It is a home replacement app, found in the market, that is currently in beta. It is a nifty little home replacement. I used it for a while, but I didn’t quite like it. Instead, I went with the Launcher+ beta, which just adds additional screens and gives greater control over the card view.

      • SardoNumspa

        Ima check that out. Thanks!!

  • Todd

    HD2 > N1

    • SteveG1

      Fo-Sho

      • Ysleiro

        I have to comment and inform you guys because it sounds like many of you have not seen (in person) nor used the devices.

        I myself have not used the HD2 so I can not put that device down directly.

        Many mention that the N1 is simply a feature phone and not intended for business users. My friends, in this day in age you guys are going to have to be more specific because many of these devices actually do cater to some users that are business oriented. So are you referring to apps? e-mail solutions? You need to specify.

        Take me for example. I have owned a BlackBerry since late 2006 and switched to the N1 this January. I assure you I was EXTREMELY skeptical of the device since I was expecting the e-mail solution to be somewhat lackluster. I was relieved to find that I was wrong. I was able to sync my Yahoo accounts, school e-mail account, work account and personal g-mail accounts (6 accounts in total) all for FREE! those of you that are talking about paying to have an e-mail account on the phone need to get your facts straight. As long as you have the IMAP for your inbox and your SMTP server settings you should be good to go.

        Simply saying “it’s not business oriented” doesn’t cut it anymore. The N1 is so much more than a BB (RIM better hang on tight to that BIS and BES because thats the only thing BB does that no one can currently match them).

        Like I said I can’t speak about the HD2 but I can pass judgement through another method. In my eyes BlackBerry is the ultimate business phone right now (hassle free (UNRIVALED to the 10th degree) e-mail, connectivity, excellent device build quality etc). After switching to the N1 I can comfortably say that the N1 is a sufficient business device for GRAND MAJORITY of folks. Yes you lose the PUSH e-mails (whoop ti do.. we get them 5 minutes later (FYI: Gmail is PUSH)) Apps are plentiful so thats a non issue.

        So when compared to BlackBerry the N1 loses out on e-mail but trumps the BB on almost EVERY other category. (I say that with the utmost confidence since I’ve been a CrackBerry addict most of my adult life).

        So is the N1 a better device than the HD2? The N1 doesn’t crash nor does it bog down. I bet the HD2 does (I can make this bet without even using the HD2). The N1 interface is not just a skinning it’s smooth all over. The HD2 is simply a skinned WinMo device that when pushed will reveal it’s ugly insides (lets face it WinMo is due for a major UI overhaul since it wasn’t built for TOUCH from the ground up). If you asked me (which you haven’t LOL). Yes the N1 is a better device than the HD2 based on the OSs. My friends the Android OS is nothing to scoff at. It can easily match WinMo and in MOST cases surpasses it. Thats the cold hard truth. if you can’t swallow it, chew a bit more.

        If anyone has any questions or would like help setting up their e-mail on any device just message me on Facebook Name: Orielsy Diaz

      • Mockerfab4

        Ysleiro I’ll happy to give why this is not a business phone for me! I’ve had a Blackberry, a WM Shadow and now I’m using an iPhone. I was hoping to upgrade my iPhone with a MyTouch last November but shipped it back after trying for 3 weeks to make it work for my business needs. Since I never had the N1 I can only give you examples on my old MyTouch which at the time didn’t have the Donut upgrade.

        Here’s what made this not biz friendly for me. My full time job uses Outlook – Mail, Calendar and Contacts. Android only syncs email out of the box. I have to use Google calendar and download a Google sync application to get the calendars to sync, but it only syncs if my computer is on. I missed 3 new appointments while I was traveling, because unless my computer was on it wouldn’t sync properly to the MyTouch. Then the Contacts. I had to export my contacts from Outlook and then import them on Google Contacts. Any new contacts I added to Outlook had to be manually duplicated to Google.

        This was jut the beginning….

        Now on the side I’m also a Freelance web designer. I have clients emailing me to a Pop3 account. With the Pop3 mail setup on Adroid, I was unable to open PDF files that clients sent me. This was a known issue at the time. I always had to forward to my Gmail or my Outlook account to open these! THEN, I used my gmail for personal mail. A friend sent me several emails with embedded images and they did’nt open in Gmail. I had to forward them to my Pop3 email account to get those to work!

        I called Tmobile Customer Care almost everyday I owned the phone with issues. I visited the forums and joined a few Android groups to help me with my issues. In the end, I gave up and went back to my iPhone.

        From I’ve been told you can buy an app that does the syncing with Outlook mail, calendar and contacts. But that costs $15. On the Blackberry, WM phone and iPhone it costs $0.

        The mail is’nt the issue as much as the Calendar was. If you travel alot like me, it’s very important to keep appointments updated in real time. I shouldn’t have to open my laptop to have the Outlook sync with the Google app that syncs my MyTouch calendar!

        I agree BB are not the ultimate business phone anymore. Personally the phone that has worked beautifully for both my FT job and my freelance job is my iPhone. I’ll spare you why I love that phone alot for my business needs, but I have yet to find a phone to get me to give it up. I’m hoping the HD2 will be close.

  • Datdude42

    If you and Noah are the pest Phonedog have to offer on reporting about phones this company is going to crash. The best thing I can say is “IF YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO WORK IT DONT TALK ABOUT”

    1 You called the OS on the HS2 Android “IT IS WINDOWS MOBILE 6.5″ go talk to yourself in the mirror before posting nest time.

    2 You can move sitting on 6.5 to were you won’t then “KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE SPEEKING”

    3 Know one cares what you like or what you thing just give us who know the skinny on the phone.

    • wow

      Wow, you’re post was hard to understand. Don’t mean to be rude but did you finish high school?

      • Dan

        Lmao

    • Wilma Flintstone

      I agree with you but then I also see that you may need to take your own advice about knowing what you are talking about before speaking.

      In #1, you said he called the OS on the HD2 Android, I agree that he needed to rethink that but then you called the HD2 the “HS2″?

      In #2, I totally agree that if you are going to review something, you must know what you are reviewing before you make the video, but then you went and misspelled “Speaking”?

      In #3, I agree again with you that he could’ve kept his personal opinions to himself, but then you misspelled “think”?

      Anyway, I’m getting the HD2 on March 24th. Hopefully they won’t pull a Nexus one with the Mandatory plan and 3G issues. I’m getting the HD2 to hold me over until the Motorola Shadow (Rumored Nexus Two) comes out.

    • SteveG1

      yeah that was sum serious spelling erurs my friend. maybe you should pruf rede befour you tipe, lol

  • rushmore

    If you are a multi-media fan, the HD2 is a no-brainer. You can then get Coreplayer and almost every video codec is supported. Not to mention better control over streaming video content. Nice graphic EQ too.

  • rushmore

    If you are a multi-media fan, the HD2 is a no-brainer. You can then get Coreplayer and almost every video codec is supported. Not to mention better control over streaming video content. Nice graphic EQ too.

    • rushmore

      That is unlocked of course, since the N900 is the best device for media for same price (if not cheaper).

  • J

    So, we have some business-oriented power users who’re interested in getting a smartphone but hesitant to spend $15 on an operations-critical app? Fifteen dollars? Oookay.

    • analog spirit

      $15 wouldn’t be unreasonable if the app actually worked and really was operations-critical. So If it were really worth getting, and I really needed it, then sure, I’d get it.

      • Mockerfab4

        Sad. This is why Android fails…people think it’s even acceptable to pay anything for an app that comes FREE for every other “smart” phone. I think Android should start charging you suckers for using Google maps.

  • analog spirit

    Yeah, what I meant by that was that if I had an Android phone, and couldn’t already get an app for free anywhere else, AND I really needed it, then I *might* consider paying for it. I agree that if a given app is free for other phones, then it should likewise be free on Android phones.

    • Mockerfab4

      Sorry, my reply wasn’t meant to be a response to you, but from the Original post. ;)

      I agree with you if it’s something I needed I would get it and would gladly pay for it. I find the $15 price tag for a stock application to be a bit ridiculous and from what I’ve heard about this app it’s not perfect. The most expensive app I ever purchased on my iPhone was $5 bucks, and that app practically runs my side business!

      • analog spirit

        Oh, OK. Got it… Yeah, $15 for a stock app IS ridiculous; if it’s “stock,” then why doesn’t it just come with the phone? But I’d have no problem paying $15 for an third-party app if it were a high-quality one that I really needed, with all the bugs worked out.

      • JLowe

        If it costs $15, it’s obviously not a stock app (on Android phones). Don’t get me wrong, I understand where you’re coming from. I just disagree that a $15 app you think should be free because it’s free on other phones should cause a serious buyer to choose an HD2 over a N1. It makes me think of someone choosing to buy a lesser desktop machine over a better more custom one because so they don’t have to buy the usually-free-stock antivirus prog.

  • Trill

    The $15 dollar app is very good but its personal preference and while WM kills the much younger android OS business wise its suppose to because that’s what microsoft does or did you all forget XP, Vista, and WM7 lol. I love android and for business use it will do but if you need more than a WM device is a better bet.

    • analog spirit

      Yeah, when it comes to business functions, BB and WM are the optimal way to go (for now). At work, the vast majority of the phones I see are BBs and WM devices, tho recently I’ve been starting to see some iPhones and Android phones coming into use.

  • eli_the_great89

    I found it oddly strange that he said the HD2 was horrible in the sunlight.
    When AMOLED displays although uber vibrant indoors have a reputation for having horrible visuals outdoors.
    I also speak from experience since I own an android device with an AMOLED display….G1.

    Unless the N1 was highly revamped to work in sunlight, all past reviews I’ve seen on the HD2 have stated it looks great in strong sunlight.

    So unfortunately I’ll have to agree with the rest. Way too biased in this review.

    • eli_the_great89

      biase***

    • eli_the_great89

      bias***

      • analog spirit

        You got it right the 1st time; “biased” is correct. I didn’t know that about AMOLED displays; I’ll have to look into that some more, preferably by testing one of them in a brightly-lit area so I can see for sure. There’s got to be some way to adjust the brightness on the screen as well.

    • Rossi

      The G1 is not amoled, so I assume you jave some other real experience with an amoled screen? Regardless, you are correct that AMOLEDs are not as good in direct sunlight…

  • Mitsu8

    N1>HD2 NO COMPETITION!

  • Trill

    I like both phones but there is only one OS for me and that’s android although they need more eye candy is stock releases such as the music player, email, contacts and other areas. We need to get better development tools as well not to mention I think we will be surprised with android later this year but they need to close the gap on the amount of software versions running on different devices.

  • http://www.theblarg.com nathan118

    Geez…the Windows Mobile crowd is even crazier than the iPhone crowd.

  • Wilco

    I use my G1 (which is a weak-ass phone) for all my business email, contacts, calendar, tasks via Good, which was a free app. It works very well, and puts me in contact with my business needs 24×7. Clean and easy to use.

    Android is developing. It’s more open and configurable. But if the users do a little homework and study, you can find top-notch business apps for free, or possibly for a dollar or two.

  • dboy

    HD2!!!!

  • http://www.bupahs.com bupahs

    Until Android allows installing of apps on the SD Card without rooting the device Windows Mobile will ALWAYS win out in the end.

  • 4ty-phive

    Part 2 of this so-called dogfight was really crappy. I thought he was going to look at webpages,use the cameras, or something. All he did was bash WM 6.5. Don’t get me wrong….I am an android fan and a WM anti-fan, but this is not a good vid IMHO. HD2 with android FTW!!!

  • conrad

    let me tell you how android fails as a business device. it wont talk to your computer. EVERYTHING is in the cloud. while thats fine for some information, it is not needed or desired for all informatio.. for example I am a small business owner. when I go out to a business lunch I record the expense on my phone in a financial app and later, i sync tbis with my desktop financial software without ever thinking about it. when I go to my cpa at the end of the year my records are perfectly in order. i also work on proposals,in word, on the road a lot. when i make changes on the road those changes are synced with my desktop and visa versa. again its all automatic. just about every aspect of wm allows me to effortlessly sync with my desktop. granted, i wish it was wireless and automatic but its better than no option at all.

    i recently purchased the n1 to evaluate it in my life and i used it for 27 days intensivly. i even purchased touchdown so i could sync with my outlook exchange server. i quickly realized two things about android. 1 is that google and the app developers really want your information in the cloud before you can see or use it from a device, be it your computer or phone. furthermore if you want to manipulate said data from your desktop you had to goto their servers/websites. take a simple to do list for example. i could use googles abysmal todo list or try a more robust list like astrid. if i wanted to acess that from my desktop i had to goto their website and be asulted with ads to do so. well i dont want distractions when i am manipulating my productivity. what if their server is down or my connection is down? i have to wait before i can do anything with it. this is a pain in the butt and a moronic design. the second thing i notice was that the FEW developers that were working on a desktop companion program with desktop syncing had to jump through some massive hoops to get it to work. some were horrible implimentations: had to manually transfer the most recently updated file to one system or the other for example. the ones that offered automatic wifi syncing are buggy at best. the platform seems to actively work against this type of thing.

    this is why its a consumer phone. everything is designed to get you to visit their controlled environment where you are bombarded with ads. hell most of the apps are cluttered with ads. themselves thanks to admob. this is why its not meant for business users: we want to get things done quickly and effeciently. we dont want to be distracted with ads, and we dont have the luxury of hoping our data will be available the moment we need it. not every damn piece of information in my life needs to be on someone elses server. some of it, indeed most of it, is just fine on my computers/servers that I control.