T-Mobile could offer near gigabit LTE speeds in 2017

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T-Mobile has won awards for the speed of its network, and next year T-Mo could offer speeds near one gigabit.

T-Mobile CTO Neville Ray teased this week that in 2017, T-Mo could be “approaching gigabyte LTE speeds.” He explained that with 4×4 MIMO and three-way carrier aggregation, T-Mobile can do about 400Mbps each. Combining those two features would bring T-Mo near 1Gbps speeds in the markets where those features are available.

Here’s Ray’s full statement on the matter, courtesy of Seeking Alpha:

“In terms of speeds, if you think about a world where you have three-way carrier agg and you can do 4×4 and you can do both together which is the story of 2017, then you’re approaching gigabit LTE speeds, which is really exciting for 2017. We can do about 400 megabits per second on 4×4 and/or three-way carrier agg. And then the two coming together, you can start to double down and as you expand your carrier agg reach, you can move towards gigabits.”

T-Mobile said last month that it was rolling out new network technologies that would bring faster speeds. 4×4 MIMO was one of them, and it’s available in more than 300 cities. Ray said this week that more than 1 million T-Mobile customers are using 4×4 MIMO.

When it comes to hardware, Ray confirmed that an update that hit the Galaxy S7 and S7 edge in September enabled 4×4 MIMO on those devices. There will be “multiple devices” launching on T-Mobile in 2017 that support 4×4 MIMO.

T-Mobile is also working to roll out 256 QAM and 64 QAM for improved downloads and uploads, respectively. T-Mobile has said that it’ll have these features across its network by the end of October, and the GS7 and GS7 edge are expected to receive updates to support these features.

Via: FierceWireless
Source: Seeking Alpha

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  • FILA

    what can Google Pixel support?

    • SirStephenH

      QAM and three way carrier aggregation. I don’t believe it has the extra antennas for 4×4 MIMO.

  • Omar Lozada

    what support is available on the LG V20?
    do I need an upgrade to get better signal and speed?
    because here in Chicago (60625) my reception and speed is terrible no matter what device I am using.

    • noh1bvisas

      the v20 supports 256QAM. i’m sure i read it has the hardware for the 4×4 mimo.

      • Rob

        It has the hardware but not the antenna for 4×4. Same with the HTC 10.

        • noh1bvisas

          When you say hardware i assume you mean the x12 modem. the jury seems to be out on the antenna issue.

          My v20 arrives today. Do you know how I will be able to tell if it is supported or not?

      • SirStephenH

        “I’m sure i read it has the hardware for the 4×4 mimo.”

        There are two parts to this. It has the capability because of the 820 chip but it needs additional antennas to take advantage of it and I’ve read conflicting reports about that.

    • Bradley Karas

      Without MIMO I’m still seeing 120 down and 30 up on the V20. It has 3x CA…no software update yet though

  • Morning Wood

    How about work on coverage instead of speed……. mkay?

    • SurvivingSunnyvale

      You should check if you local govt allows new towers before blaming a carrier.

      • Arkitech

        Can you elaborate on that? How would one go about finding such information?

    • TheCudder

      Exactly. Quit upgrading your existing towers and expand your friccin’ network. No one is complaining about the current speeds.

      • PC_Tool

        “No one is complaining about the current speeds.”

        lmao…yeah…okay. So you’ve never once seen their twitter, FB, or G+ feeds I take it?

        Heck, there are speed complaints in the comments of this article, ffs.

      • SirStephenH

        I guess I’m no one then…

        • TheCudder

          Are your issues with speeds in a metro area?

    • PC_Tool

      Because they can’t possibly do both, right?

      …oh wait…they are.

  • Mike Palomba

    The iPhone 7 better support 4×4 MIMO, I’m tired of buying a brand new phone and a month later new signal technologies are released that it can’t use (EX: IPhone 6 and band 12)

  • Dan

    I believe t-mobile has the least about of total spectrum out of the big 4 and still can produce these kinda speeds. #impressive

  • Alex Zapata

    And yet I can barely break 5Mbs on the east side of Aurora with a strong LTE signal…..

    • Robert Jensen

      Getting 15.97 Mbps down and 3.76 Mbps up on only 3 bars in St. George, UT area.- with LG V10.

      • noh1bvisas

        i remember when 256K was blazing fast…

        • Rob

          I remember when GPRS was blazing fast for wireless. Ah, the Sidekick II. Those were the days.

        • Memberberries

          Member the SideKick II? I member… Yeah!

        • Christina

          Ah yess, missing the Sidekick “series” here too. Nothing like it.

        • Christina

          Anything over 256k probably isn’t noticeable to me, lol. Coverage is more important…

    • SirStephenH

      Sounds like Kitsap county, WA.

      • Alex Zapata

        Fortunately, this only applies at work, but it’s still annoying that they’re deploying these technologies when other parts of their network (in Chicagoland no less) are still seeing mediocre performance.

  • Pita

    Coverage > Speed

    • Spanky

      This x1,000,000,000.

    • Jason Caprio

      YES YES YES YES AND YES!! This is why I will be on Verizon once my Pixel XL comes in.

      • Phone Guy

        And your bank account sighs, and empties. :)

  • Sushimane

    I wonder if the v20 support 4×4 MIMO?

    • PC_Tool

      It has the hardware, but I’ve seen no confirmation that it has the antennas for it…we’ll have to wait and see, I guess.

      • noh1bvisas

        My v20 will be delivered today. How can I tell if it has it?

      • Sushimane

        It might just need software update like the S7 and edge

    • Bradley Karas

      Nevelle said it doesn’t via twitter but my cousin is a rep for LG and he says it does…not sure but then again no one knew the S7 and edge did until they told us it was as simple as a software update

  • Trevnerdio

    Off topic, but while everyone is talking about the V20…anyone else experiencing all kinds of weird glitches with messaging? Texts sometimes not received, messaging app sometimes reopens right in the middle of you typing out a message… weird stuff.

    • noh1bvisas

      haven’t heard that, yet. what are you using for messaging?

      • Trevnerdio

        Stock app. It happened once randomly, and once after boot, like it didn’t have all of its ducks in a row, so it had to keep kicking messenger out of memory and immediately reloading it, dumping all of the text you’re drafting.

        • noh1bvisas

          interesting. i’ve been using the stock one on my g3 for over 2 years. V20 is arriving today. i’ll keep an eye out for it.

    • Corey Jalette

      Do you reset your phone regularly? That might help.

      • Corey Jalette

        By regularly I mean about once every week or two. If it doesn’t help then try uninstalling the app and reinstalling if you downloaded one, if it’s stock one then maybe try some other reputable app for messaging.

        • SirStephenH

          “Regularly” should be every few months. If you have to reset your device every week or two then there’s something wrong with the device or how you use it.

      • Trevnerdio

        See, it didn’t really start being weird until I have a lot of my apps installed. I tried clearing cache, but don’t really want to do a factory reset at this point. That’s the least of my problems though, I’m not receiving texts maybe 10% of the time, and there’s no rhyme or reason to it. Happened on one of my previous LG phones, too. People I know I haven’t received texts from thus far: Virgin, Sprint, Verizon

        • Corey Jalette

          Don’t do a factory reset I meant simply turning your phone off and on again. That’s really odd though. If you have twitter you can direct message T-Mobile/LG see if they can do anything.

        • Trevnerdio

          Oh, yeah. I do that every few days. I don’t understand how people keep their phones on for a month at a time, or why they even consider that okay. I’m gonna get my SIM switched out today and see if that helps. If not, I can already tell this is gonna be one of those super weird, super elusive issues that never gets fixed.

  • SirStephenH

    Yeah, Apple’s normally at least a year or two behind their competitors in deploying most new technologies.

    • Phone Guy

      A year or two would be generous. Try a decade.

  • SirStephenH

    They were talking about LTE-A at the time which was the only technology that counted as 4g. That was until AT&T and T-Mobile reclassified 4g as HSPA+ (3g technology) and LTE.

    Say what you will about speeds but it’s about more than just the raw speeds of one user, in the end it’s mostly about capacity.
    Higher Speeds = Higher Capacity

  • pda96

    Work on coverage first. Keep rolling out 700MHz and 600MHz. Network speed is not as important as coverage.

    • Dummy Up Meathead

      Not for those that have good coverage. Just sayin’.

    • mike

      I’m with you! Fix areas where network is not that hot first. Even area that are said to have robust LTE coverage are still getting weak coverage. 6.8 down and 1.6 up on the fastest LTE network. Zip 18380.CS always says it’s my phone. 5s iPhone. Got faster speeds before LTE

      • Phone Guy

        But those network areas only have one cow phone, one tractor phone, and 2 farmer phones. That’s why its taking so long to deploy in the rural area. :)

        • Mike

          I don’t think 12 miles west of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania is rural. If T-MOBILE can consistently serve the area then the should not be actively selling their product in this heavily populated area. I can be E network, 4g and LTE all within 4 blocks. 6.8 down and 1.6 up on the super fast LTE network.

    • Network speed is just as important stuff reliability. Speed is what keeps things flowing espically for people crowd on 1 tower

    • The network is solid where the people are; it’s always the people who live at the edge of the network (and society) who complain.

      • Mike

        Stop being an ass!! I don’t think 12 miles west of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania is the edge of society. And yes I’m complaining! 6.8 down and 1.6 up on the lightening fast LTE network.

        • Anyone knows your not going to get high speeds on the edge of the city. Why would any network add tower densification at the edge of the city when most development is going back into urban center

      • pda96

        As customers, don’t they have a right to complain??? You are lucky that you get good coverage. Also, even in big cities where there is good coverage, the minute you go indoors, coverage disappears because TMO doesn’t have the 700MHz deployed everywhere. So coverage DOES matter and is more important than network speed.

        Once TMO is done with expanding its footprint, then network speed becomes important to handle the additional traffic.

        • Your Mi Boy Blu

          Yeah. I agree with you.

          1G speed on a network with no signal is still a zero-sum game. It’s a gradeschool multiplication problem where your multiplying 1000 by zero; your answer is zero.

  • Fabian

    A jump from near 1Mbps to near 1Gbps? Have to see it to believe it.

    • Dummy Up Meathead

      I get 30 mbps.

      • riverhorse

        I get 100

        • Dummy Up Meathead

          So, better than Dean.

        • Mortem

          I once got a down of 114.81 mb/s with 22.51 up

      • I got 40 while UNDERGROUND on the subway yesterday. How crazy is that?

        • Dummy Up Meathead

          Yep – I have gotten some crazy fast speeds in subway!

    • Dean

      You’re lucky, i get 0.1 Mbps pretty constantly with 4gLTE

      • Phone Guy

        Sprint?

        • Dakota_Offspring

          I have the same issues in Grand Forks, ND. Barely 1 Mbps on LTE with T-Mobile

  • riverhorse

    I get over 100 now, my phone supports band aggregation though.

  • Awesome news network speeds are blazing fast I remember the 2G days in high school lol

    • Acdc1a

      I remember the launch of the mobile internet. It was useless. I thought it would never catch on.

    • Phone Guy

      We didn’t even have internet in high school, let alone college. Jeesh.

    • Jay Holm

      I remember when hitting 1mbps was exciting, then In 2010 10mbps became more common, and now 50mbps is becoming more common, I work night shift and I get speeds as high as 90-110mbps here in Houston, S7.

      T-Mobile also has that Band 66 to deploy and add to carrier aggregation too, right?

      • Your Mi Boy Blu

        Don’t count on Band 66. T-Mobile doesn’t have licenses in many major metro areas.

        Looking at the map, T-Mobile failed to gain licenses in MANY areas– Band 66 won’t be available in LA, NYC, Atlanta, Seattle, Minneapolis, Denver, Chicago, Nashville, Dallas, SanFrancisco, Silicon Valley, Orlando, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Washington DC, Bellevue WA, Boston, Baltimore, Las Vegas, Tampa to name a few.

  • Dakota_Offspring

    Still waiting for megabit speeds in Grand Forks, ND

  • mlody_me

    I had to dump tmobile after less than a year about 5 months ago cause their coverage can only compete with a swiss cheese. I like what they do etc, but come on t-mobile, get real coverage and then tease people with all these gimmicks and bells and whistles.

    • Jason Caprio

      I’m with you. I had T-Mobile for almost 3 years and I’m going back to Verizon. Not only is T-Mobile’s coverage like swiss cheese especially out of any metro area, the speeds are like swiss cheese as well. I could be in one area and get super fast speeds of 30 – 80MBit/sec, then go to another and not even break 1MBit/sec. The inconsistency in the network is what drove me away.

      • Steven Strain

        Admittedly I’m not current of the latest Verizon plans, but I assume they’re not unlimited?

        Coverage or not how many Verizon users have to run in airplane mode to stay within their limit?

        • Bryce Elliott

          Not many really. For the people that only have 2 GB plans, probably. But thats not many. I have a 16 GB plan, free mobile hotspot, with unlimited minutes and texting and I pay around $110 a month, if that. So not much more expensive than T-Mobile’s plan. I rarely go over about 5-6 GB a month, so I could make my plan a lot cheaper if I wanted to. The average cell phone user isn’t going to use more than 10 gigs a month. I don’t even use a lot of data and I’m on my cell phone all the time. With WiFi being nearly everywhere people don’t need to use their cellular data unless their out and about, and when people are out and about they are usually doing something and don’t have time to go on their cell phones. So like I said, not many if any at all.

      • Your Mi Boy Blu

        The way a T-Mobile engineer explained it to me was like this- “T-Mobile makes most of their money from the Macrocell network. These are the big, tall, ugly towers. Why should [T-Mobile] invest into in-building or small cells when most of the revenue comes from this older Macro Network..? Besides, when people call customer service, we can just tell customers to go outdoors or near a window to use the service.”

  • Bryce Elliott

    Real world speeds aren’t going to be nearly close to that. If nobody else was on the tower that supported that but you, then yeah maybe you will reach speeds similar to that. Carriers can claim these speeds but real world speeds aren’t going to be nearly close to that because other people are going to be using the cell tower also, which is going to slow you down. The highest speed test I’ve seen so far was 150 mbps, and it wasn’t even on T-Mobile. The average user may only get about 80 to 90 mbps on a good day.