More band 12 LTE sightings pop up in Maryland, California, and other states

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Earlier today, T-Mobile officially confirmed that its Extended Range LTE (aka band 12) coverage is now live in Philadelphia and a bunch of other Pennsylvania cities. And while T-Mo has announced quite a few official Extended Range LTE launches in recent months, we know that Magenta is testing and prepping that coverage in other cities across the US without making any official announcements.

Here are some of the recent places that Extended Range LTE coverage has been spotted:

Lexington Park, Md.

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Bakersfield, Calif.

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Pine Cove, Calif.

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Leesburg, Fla.

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Bronx, NYC

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Monroe Township, NJ

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Palm Desert, Calif.

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Rancho Santa Margarita, Calif.

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T-Mobile has a goal of covering more than 350 markets with Extended Range LTE by the time that 2015 is up, and while we’re getting close to the end of the year, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a few more announcements before 2015 comes to an end. While we wait, keep an eye out for some of that Extended Range LTE goodness in your neck of the woods.

Thanks, Marlon Jay, Crosby, Daniel, Stephen, Arturo, Anonymous, Aaron, and Alexander!

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  • Joshua Lapin

    How many markets does tmobile cover with lte period? I want to compare it to their low band markets

    • maximus1901

      Spectrum gateway. Com

      • Michael Barnes

        do you know why they dont deploy spectrum in the areas they have spectrum lots of the places on the map have spectrum available no native coverage for va but are high pop suburbs and some citys just wondering ?

        • maximus1901

          Carriers don’t build useful native coverage from scratch. Look at Omaha rootmetric score. Why does TMO always suck?
          It’s bc they only have dnough towers there to qualify to keep their licenses. That’s it.
          Why?
          Today’s carriers are conglomeration of the original carriers that DID build out their network from scratch.
          So in Omaha, there was never a carrier that TMO could buyout but it didn’t wanna lose those licenses so it built a crap network.

          So if TMO is not gonna FINISH it’s buildout in a TOP 100 market, what chance does any non top 100 market for a buildout from SCRATCH?

          Even north michigan is
          A) only lte
          B) only has AWS in 5 towns, rest requires b12
          Meaning it’s meant for roamers and for bragging.

          It’s not parthetic because it’s b12-only in so many places. It’s pathetic bc if you zoom in to see signal strength, you’ll see it’s mostly all FAIR coverage.
          And what does that mean? It’s useless if you live there.

          So why don’t carriers even buildout their half-assed coverage, let alone build brand new coverage?
          Because it’s highly unprofitable to start from a marketshare of zero. Even if your network is more than halfway done like in Omaha.

        • Michael Barnes

          i get what your saying but at least for me traveling through areas and living in these areas in va there is no coverage even for roaming agreements get close to the james river nothing or even on some of the highways 95 and 64 drop to nothing or mostly att and west Virginia and other states not to have any native coverage it just does not seem like good business to lie if one network could honestly say they have real coverage they would kill it looks like with all the undeployed network they could support home services like Europe and take another market

          thanks for the reply :)

        • With low population density it’s probably buggy unprofitable with even 100% of the market. T-Mobile puts their investment in markets they can make money as they should.

        • maximus1901

          If they don’t invest, they’ll have fewer customers to have to worry about. then less reason to invest. then fewer customers. hey look! it’s a death spiral.

        • As you pointed out previously, rural areas are served at a loss to have a “national network”. It makes no business sense to invest in parts of the network that offer no return on that investment.

          T-Mobile is NOT for everyone. If you’re in an area they have a lot of spectrum, then great, but otherwise get whoever covers your area best.

    • Glenn Gore

      Here’s a link to a map of T-Mobile’s spectrum holdings: http://www.spectrumgateway.com/t-mobile-700a-spectrum

      The spectrum covers nine of the top 10 market areas and 24 of the top 30 market areas in the U.S

      The rest of the 700a Mhz spectrum around the country is held for the most part by US Cellular, Frontier Wireless and King Street Wireless (US Cellular’s “spectrum holding companies”), and a lot of regional and small carriers.

  • maximus1901

    Bad news: TMO has no plans to put 700A on every site (told so by a TMO market manager).
    Initially they planned on having 700A on only 1/3 of all sites. This market manager said that people in TMO are pushing for more dense 700A:
    100% of urban sites, 50% suburban sites, 33% of rural sites.

    Of course we all hope this is all bull buuuuut I asked Legere this question on periscope but sidestepped the question and just answered a diff question. Smh.

    I then bombarded Legere on twitter with this question and he blocked me.

    • Justin Smith

      They don’t need to put it on every site. 700Mhz reaches over twice as far from the tower as 1700/2100, this means that there would be immense overlap of 700Mhz. They could turn the power down some, but then it would be similar to AWS in reach, but with better in building coverage. This would provide greater capacity but at a higher cost. Bombarding anyone with questions on social media is just plain rude, for how would you like it if they same person sent you a large amount of requests on information that you can’t reveal?

      • maximus1901

        He could reveal it if he wanted. Tmo needs capacity in lowband for indoor areas. It shouldn’t waste this opportunity to completely knock it out of the park.

      • maximus1901

        He could’ve said “competitive info, not gonna reveal it”.
        He didn’t.

    • seancaldwell

      Believe they only have 700mhz licenses in parts of their footprint. So they can’t put band 12 everywhere.

      • maximus1901

        I’m talking about within an area that HAS 700mhz. Not 1/2 or 1/3 of ALL sites.
        1/2 or 1/3 of sites within a given market that has 700A license.

    • Gaius_Baltar4

      Tmobile has more sites in many markets than Verizon and Att.

      You don’t WANT T-Mobile to put band 12 on EVERY site.

      The reason for this is Verizon has historically built its sites further apart so there would be less interference with the low band spectrum. T-Mobile historically built its network with mid band or high band so sites demanded to be closer together and more of them to cover the same area as Verizon.

      • maximus1901

        Except this market manager old me he is pushing for URBAN areas to have 100% of the sites have B12 added. So that totally destroys THAT argument.

        Power levels and tilt will take care of any problems. Otherwise he wouldn’t have said 100% of URBAN sites, 50% suburban, 33% of rural.

        I live in suburban market and sorry but there’s places where OUTSIDE the signal is clinging to 1bar of Hspa. Inside it’d be edge or worse.

        • ThatsMrtoyou

          That market manager filled your head with a bunch of hot air

        • maximus1901

          Lets agree that whatever your or my credentials are, a mo market manager knows more about site planning than you or me.

        • It’s probably because in building coverage is the issue in urban areas.

        • maximus1901

          In building is also an issue in suburban.

        • Steel and stone buildings are harder to get through than wood frame houses?

        • maximus1901

          apparently restaurants are built of steel and stone then.

        • Definitely not the same.

    • Makes sense, invest where the people are.

      • maximus1901

        It’s that kind of mentality that has won TMO a reputation as a urban-only carrier.

        • …which is clearly working. Let’s hope they don’t change a thing. Let Verizon have the rural areas!

  • We finally got Band 2 LTE, but it doesn’t cover a quarter of my town. They need to enter an agreement with WFXG and add band 12 or add another PCS tower along the way.

  • Dominimmiv

    We have a “flagpole” TMO tower in the center of town and it is prime example of why they cannot just slap 700 mhz panels on every tower. There is only enough room on the top for the existing band 4 panels. It looks like they are working on it but they cannot just raise it up more for the new panels as this would require a new building permit. They could put the panels lower in the pole under the electronics but the bottom of the panels would be less than 20 feet from the ground. I am sure that would cripple any long distance coverage so that probably wouldn’t be plan A. My office is about 2 miles from the pole and I do get band 12 but it is coming from another site about 6 miles away.

  • Bryan Pizzuti

    I’m seeing periodic sightings in NY, Westchester county (King street, near the airport) and Dutchess County (between the rest stop and the Taconic on i84), but they’re not consistent, I think they’re doing testing prior to deployment.

    • Richard Roma

      JFK needs some b12 big time.

      • jetscreamer01

        How’s ozone park, band 12 yet ? Used to be my hometown.

  • BadBatz

    Also in California, MD (that’s near Lexington Park, but funny in the context of the title of the post…) and many other places along MD Route 4, 2/4, 231, etc.
    But… Unfortunately, the 700 MHz band is susceptible to interference from FM broadcast (8th harmonics of the common FM broadcast frequencies falls within the 700 MHz range) so sometimes I have 4 bars of LTE in band 12 and sometimes zip, falls back to “2G.” So, FM plus weather can make the 700 MHz band iffy in practice. Stick to Band 4 if you can :-)

  • jetscreamer01

    According to t-mobile’s press release, southwest riverside county in California now have band 12. But I am still seeing band 4 only. Anyone living in Lake elsinore, murrieta or Temecula getting band 12?

    • vinnyjr

      Some people on this forum are saying in the band 12 coverage areas they are not getting band 12. Not all older phones on T-Mobile have band 12 support. All new phones do but that is just very recent phones. If your phone doesn’t support band 12 it is worth updating. Band 12 makes a huge difference with inside house coverage. Band 12 has Great Wall penetration. Thank You T-Mobile, Thank You John Legere.

      • jetscreamer01

        I recently purchased a Note 4 because of the press release and the info from spectrumgateway.com. So if band 12 is live in my town, the phone should automatically lock into it. I even call tech support, and they tell me band 4 is the only one available in my zip code. Looks like I will have to keep waiting for it here.