St Joseph, Missouri gets a taste of wideband LTE

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Since it announced late last year that it would be launching a much faster wideband LTE network, T-Mobile’s been mostly focussing on the large, major metro areas. But now that a lot of those are covered, it’s seemingly activating its 15+15/20+20 network in some smaller towns and cities too.

Not long ago we got word that the network had been given a boost in Ludlow, Massachusetts. And today we’ve been informed that St Joseph, Missouri has also had its 15+15 switched on.

A reader sent us the following tweet:


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The screenshot shows the Serving Cell information from two different cell sites in the smaller city to the north of KC.

T-Mobile’s “Data Strong” network is expanding each week. And it’s not just the addition of wideband LTE networks. T-Mo has also started activating 1900MHz LTE in a number of cities, including Cincinnati, OH among others. What’s more, the A-block 700MHz band 12 spectrum is being tested and activated in a handful of areas. We’ve not received much in terms of sightings in our email inbox on that, but I suspect that’s more to do with the fact that very few T-Mo customers are rocking the Galaxy Avant. Currently, that device is the only A-block compatible phone on T-Mo store shelves.

Thanks, Mike.

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  • Terry

    Let’s get this up an running In Denver. I don’t mind the 10×10 but hell I want to have 15×15. Yes It is all about me/us in Denver. LOL

    • Terry

      And before all you haters start bashing me. IT WAS A JOKE!!!!

  • Trevnerdio

    My phone reads LTE BW: 15MHz…but it’s still on 10+10 speed
    Panama City, FL

    • besweeet

      How long have you had 15×15? Backhaul upgrades will most likely come soon. They might not be in need of speed upgrades if things aren’t that congested yet.

      • Trevnerdio

        I think you’re right. Congestion is nearly non-existent here. Consistent 30+ speeds, sometimes like 18-20, but that’s on a bad day

      • Trevnerdio

        Actually, we’re 20+20 already, but no backhaul for it.

  • maximus1901

    Looks like no 4×2 mimo!?!?!

    • 50atomic

      Might be an Ericsson market given the vicinity to KC.

      • maximus1901

        How long till Ericsson gets 4×2?
        Also, does Ericsson know they suck?

        • 50atomic

          Not sure. Would need another panel or could come with eventual AWS HSPA+ downgrade.

        • enkay1

          Lol. With Ericsson’s AIR systems it is expensive to add another panel because the radio and the panel are a single piece of equipment. In Nokia markets, you simply need to add another antenna to the tower. Ericsson would give better performance over all though because there is no possibility of cable loss (loss of data because of a long cable or a cable at all) between the antenna and the radio unlike Nokia.

  • Pitahson

    Anyone know what app or site can be used to find out where wideband lte is currently? I’d also love to know same or similar site for the 1900 refarmed areas. Thanks a ton

    • besweeet

      It usually comes down to the “field test” app within your phone. For iPhones, it’s easy, since you just have to call *3001#12345#* and go to “serving cell info.” Android phones all vary.

  • All these network improvements are great, but way overdue. I must say that I’m also growing impatient with the current state of the network, which is terrific where it works and dreadful elsewhere.

  • Hiro

    90+ Mbps in seattle on the iPhone would be 20+20 right?

    • Eric

      It would be 15+15 at the minimum and 20+20 at the max. Seattle has 20+20 right now.

      • Almeuit

        20×20 here in Jacksonville FL right now as well.

      • Hiro

        Alright, so must be 20+20

    • 50atomic

      I can’t wait until CAT4 iPhone 6 so we can break the current 100 Mbps limit!

      • Hiro

        Right? :D A friend of mine switched a couple days ago and in his part of town he is CONSISTENTLY getting 90+ on his 5c. I get 50-95 depending on what part of town (in my bedroom, 50-60 consistently and sometimes hit 80. Down the road, 80-90+)

        • 50atomic

          That’s awesome. Definitely sounds like it is limited by the phone. Only another week!!!

  • Jay J. Blanco

    My city is 190 in population size and it has 4 bands of aws but 5x5mhz lte. Where my college is the tower is getting congested because so many tmobile customers are at my school and passing through so I have buffering issues sometimes which is bad.

    • besweeet

      What if you turn LTE off and use HSPA+? Might be less congested.

      • Jay J. Blanco

        Hspa is better lol shame

        • ggfb20

          I wish hspa+ was faster than the lte speeds I get, but I’m not so lucky.

        • 50atomic

          Columbia, SC right? That is only 20 MHz of AWS (D+E blocks).

        • Jay J. Blanco

          Yes. Exactly that’s why I don’t understand why we stuck on 5x5mhz 1900 hspa launched last year

        • Chad Vincent

          People with older equipment missing 1900 HSPA need the AWS or they get booted to EDGE.

        • 50atomic

          Not enough spectrum while maintaining backward compatibility (ie AWS HSPA+):

          Total 20 MHz AWS (D+E blocks)
          10 MHz for 5 MHz FDD LTE and eventual 10 MHz FDD LTE when AWS HSPA+ demand is minimized
          10 MHz for HSPA+21 (legacy)

          Total 30 MHz PCS (B2, C3, C7 blocks)
          20 MHz B2 HSPA+/GSM and eventual DC-HSPA+
          10 MHZ C3 Probably EDGE
          5 MHz C7 leased to Cleartalk (NTCH)

        • Jay J. Blanco

          Thanks for explaining. Can’t wait until wideband lte is launched here.

        • 50atomic

          Wideband LTE is defined by T-Mobile as at least 15 MHz FDD LTE which at the moment is achieved with a contiguous 30 MHz chunk of AWS. Your market only has 20 MHz of AWS, so no Wideband LTE unless they acquire more AWS spectrum or deploy LTE on PCS and aggregate it together: 10 MHz FDD LTE on AWS and 5 or 10 MHz FDD LTE on PCS. There is enough spectrum to do so.

          Example.
          20 MHz (AWS D+E blocks) for 10 MHz FDD LTE
          20 MHz (PCS B2 block) 10 MHz FDD LTE
          10 MHZ (PCS C3 block) HSPA+
          5 MHz (PCS C7 block) EDGE

        • Jay J. Blanco

          Well than 10×10 lte lol. They got they work cut out for them in the Metro

  • Evan

    Thank you for not posting a picture of a saguaro, Cam.

  • Adrayven

    I miss Carly :(

  • ggfb20

    For the galaxy note 3 pressing *#0011# in the dialer app takes you to a service mode which shows some connection information similar to that of the iPhone, including you lte band and mhz, mine show 10mhz which I am assuming is basically 5up and 5down (5×5). My lte is super slow even outside with a signal strength of – 84 dBm.

    I’m in El Paso, TX a top 20 population city that even has VoLTE and was one of the 1st cities with tmobile lte.

    • NOYB

      No. The 10 MHz you see is download only. But it also means 10 MHz upload as well.

      • ggfb20

        that sucks even more knowing that.

        • enkay1

          Without proper site density, 10+10 will be iffy on performance with a lot of customers. The only place I’ve seen T-Mobile’s 10+10 get consistent high speeds (30-40 Mbps) is NYC and they have a ridiculous amount of towers there; one every few blocks.

  • kev2684

    urgh. it makes me mad when i see headlines like this. i’m in a huge city and i don’t have service. i know that’s bad but seriously. makes me want to go gophone. better have some 2 gigs than unlimited no service right? but i don’t like AT&T as a company. >.<

    • aidahoney

      i have att but not go phone ever since i switched to a new G3 im paying 147 for 1 phone amonth ughhh i got the plan with 4 gigs of data ,unlimited talk n txt it SSUCKs baaad.. BUT HEY signal is great inside buildings here in los angeles i been able to talk n use 4g lte data in places tmobile had nothing.. So idk what to do if i should stay or go back to T-Mobile n pay less but have no signal in buildings.

      • Ordeith

        There is always Cricket. ATT’s network, ATT’s phones, T-Mobile’s plans and prices. You can get unlimited (5 gigs high speed) data with unlimited talk and text on Cricket for $55 / month for a single line.

      • kev2684

        gophone is like $56/mo via 3rd party retailers unl talk/text/2gig data then cut off.

        i’m also looking at VZW all-set plans $45/mo unl talk/text/1gig data plus $20 3gig bridge data rollover for 3 months which comes out about the same as goPhone. problem is i’ll need to buy VZW branded phones. unlocked, but with their awful logos everywhere. edit: and also no nexus.

      • sirwilliam4

        Unless you are receiving a discount you know there is no point in having a 4gb plan? The difference in price between the 2 and 4gb plan is $30 a month. The overage fee is $15 a gig so even if you go over the two gigs up to 4 it’s the same price. Your better off having two just in case you only use 3. Or you could go to Verizon’s $60/month plan with 2gb and $15/1gb overage bringing you to $90. Just saying. There are other options.

        • aidahoney

          i tried Verizon its okay but att still works better in buildings than verizon , verizon drops down to slow 3g evdo att mantains lte .

    • Binny Gupta

      A huge city would have service.

  • BearGato

    Just an FYI Cincinnati is not active, the “sighting” was brief in the downtown area, and has not been seen, since.

    • enkay1

      If it shows up at all, it’s active and the equipment is installed. They are just still testing it. If you haven’t seen it, you might not have a phone with PCS LTE.

      • BearGato

        I do own a PCS LTE ready phone. It indeed is in it’s testing phase but not technically active, at least not in the area where it was spotted last week.

        On another note, good job so far T-mobile! Keep it up!, let’s hope sometime in the not so distant future we can benefit from some wideband sweetness too! :-)

  • Anyone know how to see an info. screen of tower/signal info on the HTC One M7?

  • FILA

    that MyTouch 4G shes holding up there, back in the day of max HSPA+ of 14.4 Mbps, lol. I get disappointed with those speeds on T-Mobile in todays world

  • PHXYUM

    Please show some 20+20 to the Phoenix Valley…

    • Christopher Ruegsegger

      Looking at some maps I’ve seen, I don’t think Phoenix owns enough spectrum for us to get it at the moment.

  • Aaron

    I have noticed improved data speeds around Kansas City! :)

  • Glenn Gore

    Whatever happened to the plan to upgrade half the GPRS/EDGE-only territory to LTE by the end of this year and the second half by the middle of 2015? This plan was announced back in March and we haven’t heard anything about it since then. One would think quite a large amount of new LTE coverage would have shown up by now.

    • TMOTECH

      It has. Just because it hasn’t happened in your living room doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened in other places.

      • Glenn Gore

        I know it hasn’t happened in my living room, but is there a list or map of the locations and markets where this upgrade has happened? T-Mobile’s coverage maps don’t show LTE by itself and with such a huge area of the country that will be receiving this upgrade, one would think they would be trumpeting this massive territorial addition as loudly as they can.

        • yeah right

          your best bet is to check Sensorly and become a contributor. It’s the only way the LTE maps will become more widespread… That being said the data in sensorly for TMobile’s network has gotten significantly larger since january.

        • Glenn Gore

          I have done a lot of mapping for Sensorly, both for T-Mobile and AT&T. I have fully documented the native GPRS and EDGE that exists within a 100-mile radius of this location in any direction. Lots of cities of 20-50.000+, they all have either GPRS or EDGE. Some may have LTE available from Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, and even US Cellular. T-Mobile is not being competitive, but maybe they don’t want to be in markets as saturated with LTE as those. Still, for their own customers, it would be nice for them to have something better than GPRS should they happen to travel to one of those cities for business or pleasure. Requiring them to rely on wifi or a burner for data just is not acceptable IMHO.

    • Brzfld

      It is only September….
      “End Of The Year.”

      • Glenn Gore

        This is September, 5 months into the program, there should be visible results by now. If nothing has been turned on, fine, nothing wrong with that, maybe they aren’t ready, maybe there is some big interconnect that isn’t finished yet, maybe they are going to make a big splash and turn every upgraded GPRS/EDGE site all at once on December 31. I am not trying to belittle T-Mobile, I am only asking if there is a listing of market aras, cities, towns, states, counties, etc where this upgrade has been done up to now. I guess there isn’t.

        • Brzfld

          There is visible proof. My whole town is now covered with LTE as of 2 months ago.
          LTE buildout will come, be patient. Everyone wants everything now, we are a total McDonalds society.

        • Glenn Gore

          OK, so far we have one city that we can say for sure has been upgraded, Lockhart, Texas, and an anecdotal report that “my town” has been upgraded. I would rather see a list of places, or look at coverage maps to get an idea of what has been done thus far, how the coverage situation has changed in the past 5 months, see if the distances between the polkadots of 3G+ coverage have gotten any smaller. I don’t “want it now” I just want to know that progress is being made and have an idea of what that progress is. I thought that’s why these companies post coverage maps on their websites, but I guess that’s too much to ask for. I hope someone asks Mr. Legere about this program at next week’s event. At this point in the process there should be enough progress on the program to brag about.

        • Brzfld

          If you had just taken a moment of your own time to look instead of complain….

          http://support.t-mobile.com/community/coverage/blog

        • Brzfld

          If you had just looked it up instead of complaining, they have their own coverage blog….

          http://support.t-mobile.com/community/coverage/blog

        • Glenn Gore

          And that blog makes NO mention of any cities or areas that have been upgraded straight from 2G/EDGE to LTE under the program announced in March of 2014. In March, in a post announcing the 2G-to-LTE upgrade program, Neville Ray said that T-Mobile at the time had 210 million US population covered with LTE at that time and by the end of this year that number will be 250 million. How many of that additional 50 million are covered today? There have been no posts regarding this program on that blog since March. That is what I am asking.

          Also, that is a closed blog and no comments or questions are allowed. FYI.

  • Vnicole

    I have LTE in Lockhart, Texas this morning. I’ve never had anything faster than edge here. About 35 miles south of Austin.

  • Brzfld

    Im very happy with HSPA+, LTE is active though. Longer battery life and I get 12 down. Plenty fast for everything. Springfield, MO

  • Dats

    Is there an app we can get to get that information of the download bandwidth?? Please let me know

  • Greg Victor

    Anybody encounter any wideband LTE in NYC yet? Tmobile’s 10+10 network in Brooklyn is starting to significantly slow down. I use to average download rates of at least 15 Mbps. Now I’m lucky if i get 5 Mbps. :-( on the bright side, it’s still better than Sprint most of the time.

    • Brian Perez

      Well maybr bk but in thé bronx i just did à speed test 55ms download speed of. 37.63 upload speed off 17.55.. It helps if u refresh urnetwork connection or maybe clear some cache memory on ur mobile Device..

      • Greg Victor

        I tried those suggestions already. I was on the phone with tmobile support. They said 5 Mbps is considered good speeds for LTE and they couldn’t help me. I figure the network in Brooklyn is just congeste.

        • Brian Perez

          Well speeds dépend on the proccessor ur phone has and most of all the ram space plays abig rôle in how fast ur phone reacts to.commands

        • Greg Victor

          I have an LG G3. I don’t run many apps. So i don’t think it’s the phone. If this is any help, when i travel to queens LTE speeds increase drastically.

        • Brian Perez

          Well 5mps is.considered “enough” to give people good access to what they need but idk thats what i was.told..but Yeah idk ive been to Downtown before and.ive had a great expérience idk then maybe ur right under à tower n that could intefer with ur speeds