Analysts: Sprint and T-Mobile need to merge, “aren’t independently viable at the same time”

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For the past few months SoftBank CEO, Masayoshi Son has purportedly been contemplating a move to buy out Deutsche Telekom’s controlling stake in T-Mobile U.S.  Things have gone a little quiet on that front in recent times. And it’s no surprise since both the FCC and DoJ have expressed concerns over any merger between major U.S. carriers. They want four network operators. Not three. Both agree that a merger between Sprint and T-Mobile will be bad for the consumer. But, a group of analysts released a report saying it’d be worse in the long run if they don’t merge. At least, it will be for one of them.

Analysis undertaken by New Street Research suggests that if they want to compete effectively with AT&T and Verizon, they need to merge. What’s more, after looking at various examples abroad of carriers merging, it can result in lower prices for consumers. In Austria, Greece and The Netherlands, 4 nationwide carriers became 3 as two merged. Average pricing dropped between 15-40 percent following the merger in those instances.

To add further strength to their report, they also believe that the two carriers (Sprint and T-Mo) – as they stand – need to make a lot of money to get ahead, and that they’ll need to invest heavily in spectrum. In something of a damning report, the analysis concludes that the market simply can’t support both carriers independently. But together, they could both live on.

As reported by Fierce Wireless:

“Our analysis shows that neither Sprint nor TMUS have enough revenue to cover their fixed costs and it is highly unlikely that both will capture enough new revenue to do so,” the analysts wrote, pointing out that they believe Sprint and T-Mobile need to raise an additional $10 billion in the next 18 months to remain competitive, an effort that could be stymied by market conditions. “Both companies aren’t independently viable at the same time. We show that there simply isn’t enough revenue in the industry for four carriers to cover their fixed costs unless there is a significant shift in market share.”

Specifically, Sprint is going to lose around $6 billion before they start generating cash in 2017. T-Mobile on the other hand will spend around $300 million this year.

This won’t be the last we hear of T-Mobile and Sprint merging. There are clearly disadvantages to it, but there could be positives to consider. Particularly if T-Mobile’s Uncarrier spirit remains.

Read the full report over at Fierce Wireless.

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  • NOYB

    Analysts are often wrong.

    • Cam Bunton

      They are.

      • wazmo

        That all depends on who’s paying. Don’t forget that Sprint is sitting on a lot of low-frequency bands they acquired when they got Nextel-areas which they server that T-Mobile does NOT.

        • Willie D

          Actually they have a lot of licenses for low end spectrum, but not a lot of the actual spectrum. Meaning they can. Cover large geographic areas, but with little spectrum they are looking to bog down the network. There is a reason Nextel deployed only slow data and did not move to a high speed platform, they couldn’t, they didn’t have sustainable spectrum.

  • Mike Goetz

    By no means am I an expert analyst, but how can you compare the huge US market to tiny markets like Greece and Austria? That makes no sense.

    • Buster Nutwell

      I couldn’t agree more. Makes no sense to compare those markets with U.S. Netherlands is the size of Maryland !

    • http://www.philosophicalreflections.com/ D.A. Elliott

      Exactly. Furthermore, Carlin taught me that we ought to take all of these with a grain of salt. Think about it: what’s the point of an analysis in this case? It’s an act of persuasion. I wouldn’t be surprised if SoftBank or someone similar was somehow indirectly involved. In almost every claim with consumers on the line, someone stands to gain, and that someone is usually the one making said claims. You see this in the sugar vs. HFCS, clean vs. fossil fuels, and GMO vs. organic industries. Claims on both sides are exaggerated and data skewed so that someone else can make a profit at our expense. Consumers are the real victims.

  • gablicks

    Yeah they can merge and the day they do I’ll be moving my service. Sprint has the worst service and customer service of the big 4. Who the hell wants to be in that crap hold

    • bob90210

      So if Sprint merges with T-Mobile, they will move from the fourth best to the third best network. Everyone wins!

      • Willie D

        Only by default, but they will still be dead last. The public does not trust Sprint and their network skills have proven that TMobile would suffer.

  • Doble-A

    Can everyone get over the fact that we DO NOT want a SprinT-Mobile? Nor does the DOJ, or the FCC. Now, where’s our next Un-carrier phase?

    • NOYB

      Next phase is on Monday.

    • maximus1901

      Can you get over the fact that unless you either buy TMO shares or become an fcc member your opinion is worth zero?

      • Mirad77

        TMUS shares are not as had to get as the coca cola’s. You are also assuming he doesn’t own TMUS shares, and to think about it TMUS is publicly traded.

  • thepanttherlady

    How much did Son pay for that analysis?

    • Mirad77

      You beat me to that question.

    • Cam Bunton

      Hahaha. It would not surprise me. It wasn’t that long ago he was trying to get the move lobbied.

      • Paul

        The right amount of money can get you almost anything, even if it’s not entirely true.

  • Mirad77

    It’s becoming a trend, every time there is good news from TMUS some analyst comes up with crap like this.
    But the sad truth is that TMUS has been profitable even when it was bleeding customers. Analyst like these can’t see pass their ball$ since others are predicting better future for TMUS.

    • Matt

      I don’t know if they are profitable for the year just yet. They’ve had some good looking quarters.

  • http://www.prepaidphonenews.com Dennis Bournique

    Sprint and T-Mobile have lots of overlapping and thus redundant urban spectrum. Plus Sprint is CDMA and T-Mobile is GSM so a merger would mean expensive infrastructure changes and giving free phones to customers stuck on the losing technology. Seems like a lot of expense just to buy customers, a lot of whom historically flee after the mess of an acquisition.

    Wouldn’t it make more sense for Sprint to acquire U.S.Cellular, Blue Grass Cellular and other every other CDMA regional operators they can and for T-Mobile to snap GSM regionals like iWireless, Airadigm, Alaska Communications and Long Lines? That would give both operators more customers but it would also expand their networks into new markets, cut roaming payments and give them a broader network that would be an easier sell to people who travel for work or pleasure.

    • http://pharaohtechblog.blogspot.com/ Conan Kudo (ニール・ゴンパ)

      iWireless is a JV between Iowa Network Services and T-Mobile US, and because INS is owned by over a dozen small telephone companies, it would be impossible to take control of easily. But the others are good potential targets.

    • Matt

      I think ACS Alaska is actually CDMA. Verizon has a solid roaming agreement with them.

    • turtle6988

      You do realize that Metro Pcs that T-Mobile merged with is CDMA. 50% or more of the Metro Customers are now on T-Mobile network but still retain there Metro service plan.

      • Willie D

        TMobile has dismantled plenty of CDMA MetroPCS in areas they were able to quickly move customers to HSPA on TMo. They will fully dismantle the CDMA network in 2015. This is easier to do for TMo because MetroPCS is small. Compared to Sprint dismantling TMobile, which would be hell.

    • DirkDigg1er

      By your logic merging Cingular/ ATT, Tmo/ MetroPCS, and Verizon buying Cincinnati bell wireless would have been a mistake.

      CDMA/GSM are both being converted to lte.

      Overlapping spectrum is a good thing(faster lte, excess sprectrum to sell).

    • macman37

      1 of the major problems with any carrier acquiring or merging with Sprint is that none of their LTE frequency bands are interoperable with any other carrier. AT&T, Verizon Wireless, and soon T-Mobile are using both 700 MHz and AWS frequencies for LTE. Sprint’s board of directors were so dumb in convincing Dan Hesse not to buy MetroPCS – a good swath of AWS spectrum that was already on CDMA, not GSM. God knows that Dan Hesse is kicking himself for that decision. 1 thing that definitely help Sprint right now is a better financial analyst, so that they can make better decisions for future purchases. They have to sell off spectrum that they’re not using and pray that they have enough for the upcoming 600 MHz auction. Either that or get ready to go from the 3rd largest U.S. carrier to the 4th largest carrier really soon.

      • Willie D

        In terms of network quality, network speed and most importantly, Sprint owned customers, not via wholesale carriers, Sprint is already #4. They have something like 8 million less brand owned customers than TMobile does. Overall, Sprint has more based on all its wholesale and MVNO agreements but if they weren’t mooching off them for numbers and financial support, Sprint went to #4 in 2013.

  • S. Ali

    Both Sprint and T-Mobile could address scale concerns by sharing spectrum and towers while remaining separate companies. They can pen a long-term deal that pushes LTE and VoLTE services while winding down their old voice networks over 10 years. Merging LTE isn’t a difficult task at all. They could jointly bid on devices and share tower costs. The two companies can enter into a joint venture the way SBC and Bell South ran Cingular (or Verizon and Vodaphone did VZW). They don’t need to waste time with mergers. They can leverage the CCA to fill in the gaps, while launching LTE on 700, 800, AWS, PCS, and 2.5 with carrier aggregation. Toss in DISH to upsell cable and you’ve got a competitive entitty without mergers.

    • vrm

      its all about maintaining cash flow at the other 3 and wallstreet getting its cut. Anyone with an iq > 0 can see the colossal failure that sprint and tmobile merger will bring.

    • Serge

      This is especially a good idea for rural coverage. There is definitely not enough revenue in rural areas for four networks. T-Mobile, Sprint, and Dish should form a joint company to build out in areas currently not covered by Sprint and T-Mobile. This way they can soon have 300+ million people LTE coverage as broad as Verizon’s. Dish can install fixed wireless broadband for the rural folks together with their satellite dish.

    • Octavio Araujo

      I like that idea it is feasible.

    • Matt

      While certainly feasible, they would have to maintain a certain public illusion of being fierce competitors to avoid certain complications.

    • Maximus

      They need to hire you bro…

    • Nathaniel Ily Jacob-Joshua Hud

      When Sprint customers are on tmobile lte they woupd be experiencing real lte data speeds… As someone who left Sprint for tmobile, I don’t wanna ever have to be forced onto that network.

  • Jason Crumbley

    I wonder how much these “analysts” were paid for this report.

    • vrm

      verizon/att beginning to hurt and the hurt manifests itself as analcysts.

      • maximus1901

        Verizon and att are PROFITABLE.

        • Jason Crumbley

          So is T-Mobile.

        • maximus1901

          TMO lost $80 mil this quarter soooooo ……. Yeah.

        • http://www.philosophicalreflections.com/ D.A. Elliott

          Do you mean last year? If so, the number for that quarter was $20 million. They haven’t reported on their 1st quarter 2014 earnings. The date scheduled for that release is May 1st.

        • Fabian Cortez

          Not to mention that Sprint reported a net loss of $1 billion last quarter.

        • Willie D

          Not including the 2 million customers that fled to other carriers once Nextel was turned off.

        • maximus1901

          If TMO were profitable, they wouldn’t have tried to get rid of corp discounts or introduce jump 2 which is worse than jump 1.

        • http://www.philosophicalreflections.com/ D.A. Elliott

          Not sure how that’s relevant to my comment. I didn’t claim that they were profitable. Still, I’m not confident that your induction is a strong one. There could be other reasons for changing those (such as creating incentives elsewhere or needing a greater infusion of capital in order to purchase spectrum in the upcoming auctions). In addition, we need to make a distinction between “not profitable” and “not profitable ENOUGH.” The latter entails that, while they’re profitable technically speaking, they want greater profits for…X (where X is a placeholder for the current need, such as shareholder appeasement, making oneself attractive enough to be purchased, needing enough to upgrade infrastructure, etc.). Conceivably, they could very well be profitable in the proper sense but want greater profit for other reasons.

        • maximus1901

          All the matters is: if deutchse Telekom thinks they aren’t profitable enough, then they’re not and in danger of being sold to sonny boy.

          The 18 month lock up period expires nov 1, 2014 and then DT is allowed to sell its 67% stake one share at a time instead of all at once.
          They’d prefer all at once to get a premium.

        • http://www.philosophicalreflections.com/ D.A. Elliott

          That’s a fair concern.

        • Chardog

          Just because a company is profitable doesn’t meant that they don’t want or need more money. Publicly traded companies have a duty to earn money for shareholders… Plus most of what’s coming in is being reinvested in the network and all of the Uncarrier initiatives.

        • Disestablish

          This quarter just started. If you mean last quarter, it hasn’t been reported yet, but it is expected to be the best quarter ever in the history of the company. If you’re referring to the last quarter of 2013, then you’re wrong. T-Mobile is profitable. Try using Google and getting information from a reliable source in the search results rather than just pulling it out of your imagination. Gross profit was over 12 billion in 2013. Net Income, which is the bottom line for profit after all of their spending on improvements and operating income, was 35 million.

        • maximus1901

          Fine net income: Verizon’s was in the billions.

        • vrm

          tmobile’s capex relative to revenue is very high. What do you think will happen as soon as they are able to lower capex after they finish the current 2G upgrades they are long overdue ?

          Their profits will far exceed verizon’s. Wall street goons know that and they have been hired to spread FUD.

        • maximus1901

          TMO will have to spend billions on AWS-3 and 600mhz once they lower CAPEX, which is the point of analysts referenced in this article.

        • maximus1901

          You’re confusing revenue with profit.

        • vrm

          lowered revenue, lowered subscriber numbers, lowered profit/growth are also hurtful. For corporations that have been gouging the market recklessly, even the lowered opportunity to gouge freely is hurtful.

          Of course you know that and pretend to be ignorant.

        • Willie D

          All this is great actually. If Sprint wants to buy TMobile, then it should be at the worst possible terms to Sprint and best to the customer. Sprint is notorious for forced migrations to new plans, on upgrades or adding any simple “add-on” options Sprint requires new contracts or new rate plans. Customers know this and will not migrate, forcing Sprint to change or to hold our $50 worldwide unprofitable plans. When they force us to migrate, we flee, making TMobile the most unprofitable and wasteful merger in history.

  • Matt

    What was left unsaid, is what, if any, government pricing controls are imposed on the telecom industry in Greece.

    • Disestablish

      It was left unsaid in the article, but I’m sure there was more detail in the information that was actually presented to the decision makers.

  • ronjon400

    in some dark meeting room some where in North America…….people are sitting down and talking about t-mobile and sprint mergers. LOL. Its all a magic show, just like anything else.

  • DirkDigg1er

    I don’t understand how Sprint and TMO merging is so much of a big deal. Every other month VZW and ATT are purchasing smaller companies and no one cares about it.

    • 21stNow

      Those companies were much smaller, with less than 10 million customers each. The other thing is that most of the recently acquired companies were in areas that have coverage from at least three other carriers. For example, Cricket was mostly in urban markets where the four national carriers have sufficient coverage.

  • macman37

    To me,

    It sounds like this article is referring to a way that Sprint can live on in the future; and this reasoning is due to their bad recent past decisions. Even if T-Mobile buys out Sprint, either through the help of Deutsche Telekom or a 60/40 merger, the only spectrum for T-Mobile worth buying is Sprint’s 1900MHz PCS spectrum – the other 2 are pointless. Right now, T-Mobile needs low frequency spectrum – like the 600Mhz spectrum from the upcoming auction and more 700 Mhz spectrum like they just obtained from Verizon Wireless. Clearly, between Sprint and T-Mobile, T-Mobile will last longer due to better decisions in acquisition of spectrum and marketing (their deals)! Sprint and Masayoshi are desperate to find a way to survive and are doing their best to convince everyone that merging/acquiring T-Mobile is the best decision when it’s only Sprint’s best way to live on in one form or another. I wouldn’t be surprised if Masayoshi Son is somehow behind the creation of these articles; he wants to bury his bad decision in acquiring Sprint in any way and these articles are a clear indicator of that!

    • wazmo

      Don’t forget that Sprint has some low band frequency they got when they acquired Nextel….

      • macman37

        One, they’re the only ones that I know of using the 800 Mhz frequency for LTE – so that is pointless for T-Mobile due to very little interoperability if one brings their device over from another carrier. The same goes for their 2.5 Ghz BRS/EBS TD-LTE frequency. The 800 Mhz frequency that they’re using for CDMA may be helpful; but the offer is a little too late. Therfore, making the 1900 PCS frequency band the only thing that T-Mobile is interested; and hardly any other carrier beyond Sprint’s carriers that they have acquired are using that frequency.

        • Alex Zapata

          If I’m correct, Sprint’s PCS spectrum is band 25, which means it wouldn’t be interoperable with TMO’s band 2 PCS.

        • maximus1901

          You’re wrong. Band 25 = Band 2 + G block

        • Alex Zapata

          Band 25 is indeed blocks A-G, but the interoperability part would still require TMO customers to buy new devices (except nexus owners). Sprint device users should be ok though.

        • maximus1901

          Eventually sprint will deploy LTE in blocks a through F, band 2

        • Alex Zapata

          And there’s the operative word….”eventually”………

  • wazmo

    The thing is, Sprint is actually in markets that TMUS has zero coverage in and needs in order to effectively compete. By merging their spectrum, they could actually compete against ATT and VZ and make good run. Would it be painful-yes. But if Legere ran the show-I think it would succeed.

    • Austin

      Goes both ways. T-Mobile has coverage in places where sprint doesn’t.

  • Aa1127

    Here’s the thing: Mergers over the past 5-7 years across different industries such as the airline, oil, telecom and other industries have NOT led to cheaper prices for consumers, so why would a merger between T-Mo and Sprint all of sudden bring cheaper prices? We are expected to believe that? I’m not falling for that trick again. The only way this would be a good merger for consumers is if the uncarrier strategy prevailed, the executive board is made up of mostly T-Mo execs, and the T-Mobile brand is retained. One other thing: Dan Hesse should not be allowed to remain CEO of the new T-Mobile. He’s been at the helm for a long time and under his leadership, nothing good has come to Sprint. No innovative ideas, no consumer friendly ideas, no real network improvements and if there have been any, they are never executed in a timely manner. They have also lost a ton of customers. Again, I do not support the merger because in general, it wouldnt benefit the consumer unless the uncarrier approach is retained. Jist my 2 cents.

    • Cory

      Yes but Softbank is now in charge. And every merger Softbank has done has lead to cheaper prices.

      • D Velasquez

        agree, the prices Softbank have compared to the ones Vodafone KK had prior to the purchase says a lot, the white plan combined with the iPhone was a big success in Japan as well. my humble opinion is that Son did made a mistake in buying Sprint instead he should have gone for T-Mobile.

      • Aa1127

        Cory, If so, where are the lower prices with Sprint? Sprint could just as easily disrupt the market with lower prices but they haven’t done so. You would think they would want to lower prices to attract subscribers and grow instead of hemorrhaging customers….but again, they havent. Instead of being a leader, they’re a follower. T-Mo lowered prices and guess who followed? The other 3. If Sprint lowered their prices guess who would most likely follow? The other 3 including T-Mobile.

        • Cory

          Sprint’s prices are lower than T-Mobile’s and always have been and are even lower now with their new set of plans. Their very innovative Framily Plans (yes horrible name but still) are offer lower price than any of the competition especially the more you add.

        • Disestablish

          How do you figure? For unlimited talk and text and 1 GB of data (throttled with T-Mobile, charges overage with Sprint) 1 line with Sprint, $55, T-Mobile, $50. 2 lines with Sprint $50 per line, with T-Mobile, $40 per line, 5 lines with Sprint, $35 per line, 5 lines with T-Mobile, $22 per line. 10 lines with Sprint, $25 per line. With T-Mobile $220/10 = $22 per line.

        • maximus1901

          Yes but the bills are not separate.

        • Cory

          But you are forgetting the bills are separate. And they are much cheaper

        • fentonr

          People have told me for a long time that sprints plans are cheaper but every time I priced them out they were more. They might be cheaper in specific cases but not over all that I have seen.

        • Cory

          Apparently you fail at math

        • Mirad77

          Cory seems to be funny with hidden agenda.

        • Cory

          You are daft and living in denial of reality

        • Mirad77

          I’ve seen many post of yours on this tread with very little to back up your arguments. Name calling isn’t helping with that.

        • Cory

          Apparently you can’t read. Not my fault.

        • Mirad77

          Yea I know, but some how you manage to read what I wrote. If I didn’t know better I’d say your are………

        • Wireless Addict

          I’m really surprised your Sprint connection let’s you even load this far down into the comment’s. Or are you using your neighbors Comcast connection?

        • Cory

          Showing you don’t know much about Sprint at all. Here Sprint is faster than T-Mobile. You can’t seem to grasp that because you hate facts.

        • Diego Vazquez

          I just did against Verizon vs. T-Mobile. In my area T-Mobile has now 15MHz enabled vs. 10MHz before. I got pings below 30ms always mainly between 25 to 27 on average thats very low. Verizons low was 57ms w/ the highest being 74ms. And downlink speeds were lower on Verizon vs. T-Mobile I can hit 20Mbps on the download when Verizon was like 15 to 17. and the Uplink was only the highest of around 3.75. While T-Mobile hit the highest of 6. Signal was 1 bar to 2 bars on Verizon while T-Mobile was 3 to 4.

        • Franco

          Cory what are you talking about??? I just got out my grandfathered family plan from sprint if divided equally it was $51 each on a plan of 5 .. Unlimited Data unlimited Tx unlimited minutes to any mobile and 1500 sharing minutes to land line which never ran out … The FRAMILY PLAN is actually more expensive than my old sprint plan if I had 5 .I had to add 2 more to benifit out of that rip off plan.And after my contract was over with sprint I still Was paying the same… With T-Mobile just with 4 lines I’m paying $45 which is cheaper and less lines (7) than Sprint .. Now imagine if I add a 5th line with Tmobile

        • Cory

          Wrong again

        • maximus1901

          25 per line requires you have seven people on sprintit is only required to have four people on T-Mobile to have that same price

        • Cory

          Wrong again bob. Wrong again.

        • maximus1901

          What’s wrong? I looked on sprints site and it’s $25/line when you have 7 people and TMO is $100 when you have 4 people.
          So where’s the error?

        • Cory

          For half the data. And in the end the Sprint plans are cheaper. If you take everything into account.

        • maximus1901

          Your info is out of date. TMO includes 1GB in the plan, not 500mb AND they give you the option to be throttled OR pay for more full speed data; sprint just charges $15/gig OVERAGE! I’ll take TMO’s options vs sprints overages.

        • Cory

          Not according to CNET and T-Mobile’s own website.

        • Wireless Addict

          Actually have you visited T-Mobile’s website lately, or does your Sprint connection timeout when you try and load a page that large? Because included data with every line is 1GB and included hotspot + no overages..

        • TechHog

          No, you’re wrong.

          Do I win? Yes because I said so.

        • Franco

          Lol your wrong …
          Sprint $25 per line requirements : 7 to 10 lines
          T-Mobile $25 per line only 4 people add 1 more and its $22 per person and you could Tx people around the world at no extra charge plus unlimited data to over 100 countries around the world when you go off vacation thank you

        • Cory

          No that would be you who is wrong. God you really hate truth and facts.

          Yeah you can txt people around the world at no extra charge as well on Sprint. it’s called Viber, WhatsApp, BBM, Kik, Hangouts, Line, WeChat,Telgram like 99.999999 percent people use. Hell SMS is pretty much dead. Also using one of these apps insures that the person you txt doesn’t get charged for an international sms. Nice try with that. And you can also have the phone sim unlocked and use anywhere in the world. Just pop in a new Sim Card of your country of choice. And get 3G and HSPA speeds instead of being regulated to Edge. Nice try. But your facts are dead wrong.

        • maximus1901

          Only Americans get charged for international text.
          Why doesn’t sprint just add unlimited texts, hmmmm?

          From s4gru, even loyal sprinters consider sprints international text, calls to be rape.

        • Cory

          Yeah, my bf in London would disagree with that. Nice try. Also SMS is dead. Look at the stats. No one uses it anymore. They use WhatsApp, Viber, BBM, Kik, Hangouts,, Line, Telegram, WeChat, Facebook Messenger. SMS is dead.

        • Austin

          SMS is dead? Then why did my family plan just use over 5,000 last month?

      • Mirad77

        I can’t help but ask, are you Son ( as CEO of Softbank )?

      • Franco

        Wrong again ..its Actually higher prices

        • Cory

          Wrong again bob. God you really hate facts and reality don’t you?

        • Franco

          Umm I was on a grandfathered family plan with Sprint everything 1500 with 5 people on my plan it was $51 each taxes and fees included with the new plan its more EXPENSIVE if you had 5 people you have to get 7 to 10 people to match my old plan … Another FACT is with TMobile is $22 with 5 people VS Sprint $25 Another FACT

        • Cory

          The Sprint Framily Plan is cheaper. And this is going by every singe report on the plans from CNET to The Verge to AC. So you need better research. And you leave out key differences that make the Sprint Plans cheaper. Lol because you know that once you include everything Sprint’s are cheaper. I have done the research. Done that comparisons. Read everything to read. And that is why I am no longer with T-Mobile.

        • Franco

          Sprint with 4 lines is $160 vs T-Mobile with 4 lines $100

          Sprint with 5 lines is $175 vs T-Mobile with 5 lines $110

          Can you tell me how Sprint is cheaper ???

        • Cory

          Because 1 you are lying about the prices.

          2. You are still leaving out vital information.

          You are clearly a Republican who can’t stand facts.

        • Franco

          Lol

        • Cory

          Can’t argue the facts. Sprint’s plans are cheaper. They are cheaper in the long run and offer you more data.

        • Franco

          Your funny Cory

        • Cory

          I have the facts. You don’t. You are the one who is funny. And frankly a little pathetic.

        • Franco

          How much is it with sprint if you have 4 lines??

        • Cory

          Depends. How much data you want?

        • Franco

          Basic 1g

        • Cory

          40 dollars a month with Sprint.

          130 with T-Mobile.

        • Franco

          OK that’s $160 in total for 4 lines with sprint at $40 each person

        • Cory

          But no one’s bill is going to be 160. You are forgetting 2 very important components that does make the Sprint plan cheaper. 1. Everyone gets their own separate bill. 2. You can add more than 5 people on the Sprint plans. You can’t on T-Mobile. 3. Like T-Mobile the plans are off contract.

        • Austin

          Oh my God, you’re hilarious.

        • Cory

          And you are daft.

        • TechHog

          Damn, I forgot about that new law preventing people from giving other people money. You win this round Cory!

        • Guest

          Ah little baby knows he has lost and doesn’t have the facts so he tries to go the route of ridicule. Nice try. Learn the facts. Then we will talk. Until then I am done with someone as ignorant and daft as you.

        • Rob

          With the new plans in effect (Google: sprint framily vs t-mobile april 2014 duglin and click the second link to get a nice handy graphical breakdown of the plans), T-Mobile beats Sprint on every front except for lines 1 and 7-10 for unlimited data. On 1GB and 3GB, T-Mobile beats them from start to finish. Also the fact that T-Mobile has unlimited data means those 1GB plans that are designed to earn Sprint their overages don’t have any additional costs on T-Mobile.

          The ONLY thing that Sprint has going for it with these plans is the aforementioned lines 1, 7, 8, 9, and 10 for unlimited data and the fact that these plans have separate bills per line. Everything else falls on how gullible the customer signing up for the plan is.

          Even Consumer Reports’ April update shows that T-Mobile is ahead (they only go up to 5 lines which is why I pulled the graphic from duglin). If you’re reading a comparison, make sure to use one dated from April. This is a fact – in most cases, T-Mobile is the cheaper of the two carriers.

        • Cory

          Not true. My same plane with T-Mobile would cost twice as much as it does with Sprint. Nice try.

        • Rob

          Nice try? You responded with no details about what your plan is and then tell me that it would cost twice as much. If you are going to say that people aren’t being factual then you need to provide facts yourself instead of calling everybody liars and presenting no actual factual evidence to prove your point.

          Now if you have discounts and such, yeah, T-Mobile isn’t going to be for you but you’re comparing apples and oranges when you do that. We are comparing Sprint’s current offer with T-Mobile’s current offer that any new customer would be able to get. Anything else and its not a fair fight and your whole argument goes down the drain since this is about attracting new customers.

          So I ask you – share the details of this plan that would cost you twice as much on T-Mobile based on the current plans that Sprint and T-Mobile offer.

        • Wireless Addict

          I doubt your plane would cost as much running on T-Mobile seeing as they have free international data and texting and >$.25 minute calling in most countries.

        • Cory

          Yeah and be stuck on 2g the whole time. When I can just unlock my phone and pop in a Vodafone UK sim card and be on my way. Which is a much better option. Also again why would I use calling when i can use Viber for free.

        • francob911 .

          Your wrong

        • nuff_Said

          actually he is right on with the prices, mind u its 1GB at 4GLTE then throttled to 2G but hes right with the prices. i think your confused or something

        • failepic

          And you clearly are stuck with Sprint due to your poor credit and inability to make wise decisions.

        • Cory

          Oh wow wrong you are. I was with T-Mobile. Jumped ship because of the horrible network. You clearly are daft an have to resort to insults because you can’t handle truth. The truth is Sprint’s network is better than T-Mobile’s. And will be the most power network in the US.

        • lolright

          Right.. Because that’s what all the major tech publishers are saying about Sprint’s network. Nobody cares what Sprint’s network will be like, we care about NOW. And Sprint is DEAD LAST.. Btw. I’m on Verizon, but I advocate T-Mobile more than Sprint because they follow through and deliver the network they promise unlike what Sprint has been doing for years..

          You clearly are trying to overcompensate for something because you are the one on a T-MOBILE FAN site arguing that Sprint of all carriers are better than T-Mobile.. FAIL

        • Diego Vazquez

          I wanted to jump ship to however, once HSPA+ and LTE arrived I gave it second thought. I knew I had to give T-Mobile some time before they got it right. Sprint however is still the same. I actually had Sprint before and I almost broke my phone due to how angry I got.

        • TechHog

          … Are you retarded?

        • Diego Vazquez

          I have the posters in my store. 4 Lines is $100. vs $160 on Sprint. Please check your facts. IDK how people can be liars. You clearly are blind and I see what your trying to do. Its not working.

  • nycplayboy78

    No no no no….Oh and did I mention NO……Insert Grumpy Cat pic here now….

    • Cory

      T-Mobile wants it to happen.

      • Verizonthunder

        You mean Dutch Telecom. T-mobile USA has no say in this buyout as it’s owned by Dutch Telecom.

        • amva55

          Deutsch as in German not Dutch as in Netherlander.

      • vrm

        no, they don’t – even if you are paid to do it, spreading lies repeatedly doesn’t make it true.

        tmobile has only said that SOME consolidation needs to happen or else the spectrum distribution must be equitable. I read this to mean tmobile may also be considering buying smaller companies- they never mentioned sprint by name, unless they were ridiculing them.

  • Cory

    T-Mobile wants it to happen. John Legere and the CFO have already came out in favour of some kind of merger. The CFO basically saying the merger was going to happen.

    • William Burr Winans

      Can you give me an article where John Legere says he is in favor of this merger? From what I understand he said he is interested in the merger. Yes he said T-Mobile needs more spectrum, but I have never heard of John say he favors this merger.

      • Aurizen

        I think it was on his twitter, he said as long as he is in charge, and the uncarrier would be able to stay the same then he’s all in favor of it.

    • Paul

      As SirAuron14 said, it was mentioned but they didn’t say it was going to happen. They gave some input but never said it was a done deal.

    • Mirad77

      Correct me if am wrong, T-Mobile want the AT& T deal too.

  • Rocket Scientist

    Hmm… My take for the analysts? Sod off. Tmo is just fine without being tied to a boat anchor like Sprint.

  • best-known

    I have an idea if they want more out of consumers wallets why not compete with in home wireless internet

    • gentleman559

      Their internet speeds are horrible. I couldn’t imagine having them as my home provider. LOL

  • Willie D

    Let’s out it this way, of Sprint is looking to LOSE $6 billion, they certainly can’t afford to buy TMobile and turn a profit.
    Furthermore, neither Sprint nor TMobile can lower prices nearly as low as other foreign carriers, as Calling Party Pays does not exist here, so income is not guaranteed just by calls alone. In order to compete, you need MORE carriers willing to distinguish themselves, both Sprint and TMobile are doing that and that’s important in the landscape. It has forced the duopoly to react. If you kill off competition and allow Sprint to rule, with their horrid network that can’t compete against two larger but can compete against many smaller, you’re only asking for problems and solidifying your national enforcement for two carriers not three.

    • 404101

      Yes but it wouldn’t really be Sprint who buys T-Mobile. It would be Softbank is worth billions. Sprint’s network isn’t as horrid as you may think. I’ve used. I’ve used T-mobile currently with T-Mobile because I go to Europe a lot for work. It isn’t as good as Verizon’s and AT&T’s network nationally. In some areas it is better. Just like every carrier. If a merger like this would kill the Duopoly and bring us the prices and speeds that I get when I travel internationally I am would be for it. If not the answer would be no.

  • ERIKA

    well i dont know if it would be good im all for it improving coverage but then again sprint messes up everything they get their hands on. I LEFT sprint last month after 4 years of being with them and suffering of crappy service all over los angeles. i even tried there spark capable phones ugh it was bad even tho supposedly spark is available in LA ,,call quality horrible,txt messaging all effed up data bad slow lte 1-2 dwn w full bars lte and thats supposedly on a spark market LA zip 90022 .I got tmobile now and so far im luving it crystal clear hd voice calls ,txt messaging works fast people get and i receive txts instantly, data is FAST up to 45 dwn something i NEVER saw on sprint those 4 years i had em..

    • Franco

      I love you Erika

      • ERIKA

        LUV U 2 HUN

        • Cory

          Liar.

    • Cory

      Sprint is under new management now. And I know you are lying about those data speeds. Also single bar has nothing to do with data. You can have 1 bar and get faster speeds than with full bars. Because bars measure call quality. Not data. And I get faster speeds with Sprint than that. 60 down. 25 up regularly.

      • killi da prince

        With those kinds of speeds u must be in an area which jus recently got upgraded network congestion will soon lower those speeds

        • Cory

          Nope. Have got those speeds for over a year. The upgrade was done a long time ago. You keep wanting to paint a picture of Sprint that was true 5 years ago. But that is not true today.

        • Rob

          5 years ago? Ummm… I just looked at the data from LA for last year and Sprint’s LTE was slower than T-Mobile’s HSPA (average 3Mbps LTE vs 8 for T-Mobile HSPA with Sprint scoring its fastest at 19Mbps and T-Mobile HSPA maxing at 15). That was from June of 2013.

          Here’s what PC Mag had to say about it: “Verizon LTE just nosed out AT&T in Los Angeles for the award. We saw the same trends in Los Angeles that we saw in many other cities: AT&T’s LTE network delivered faster download speeds, but Verizon’s pulled through with faster uploads, a lower time to first byte, and better consistency. In Los Angeles, Verizon’s advantages outweighed AT&T’s, so it gets the crown here.

          T-Mobile’s HSPA+ network was the only other one which impressed us in Los Angeles, with Web page downloads that came through even faster than Verizon’s LTE system. Sprint LTE is clearly a work in progress here; while we found it at most of our locations, it was disappointingly slow. Both AT&T’s and Verizon’s 3G networks had trouble completing Web page downloads within our allotted 30 second limit.”

          I don’t know if you just like arguing or if you work for Sprint or what but seriously, you’re wrong across the board. You never even provided me with the plan that you have with Sprint that is supposedly twice as expensive with T-Mobile and you do an awful lot of name calling and throw around numbers like you actually know what you’re talking about. You remind me of a Sprint customer service rep, actually, the reason why I left Sprint back in 2008 when data was actually still decent in Denver.

        • dd23

          Yea that guy got annoying as fck so I just stopped replying it worthless I have better things to do .. Sprint really is crap in LA if.he really lives here then he should know its true but wateva ur right he probably does work at sprint so.he never gonna admit it haha anyways peace out

        • Cory

          Said the lair.

        • Rob

          I’m at the same point myself. I’ve got better things to do than feed the troll. I really wish that they would ban people like Cory. Oh well, I can choose to ignore it and go on with my day and that is what I am going to do. If Sprint was such a great carrier and had such a great network, they wouldn’t be bleeding customers while T-Mobile is setting records for the company and looks to be doing it again. Most of us on this site are educated enough to know better.

        • Cory

          No that would be you who is wrong. calling me a liar? That shows you have no just have to attack. I have the speed tests on my phone from L.A. where I live that shows T-Mobile’s is slower.

          And you left Sprint in 2008 you want to equate the Sprint of 2008 with the Sprint of 2014. They aren’t the same. Sprint is now Softbank. And has been for roughly 6 months or so. And this is a undeniable, And if you did 5 seconds of research you would see this and would have seen the massive changes and improvements.

        • Wireless Addict

          Massive improvement’s as in going from .3Mbit/s to 3Mbit/s?

        • Cory

          You are talking about 3G. CDMA based 3G is and always is going to be slower than GSM based 3G. Ev-Do Rev A only promises speeds of 600Kbps-1,400Kbps on average. And the Ehrpd promising max speeds of 3 megs. That is just the way it goes with CDMA based 3G but Sprint’s 3G is still faster than Verizon’s which can not even pull down 1 meg.

        • Wireless Addict

          Do you know what EHRPD is? It’s Enhanced High Rate Packet Data, it is the SAME THING as EVDO but allow’s handover’s to LTE and so forth.. In fact the true name for EVDO is actually HRPD.. Who gives a f*** about Verizon’s 3G either because they have 3x the coverage that Sprint has except it’s mostly all LTE. And for the record, I pull down 2.8Mbit/s on Verizon *EHRPD* when I force my phone down to 3G.

        • Diego Vazquez

          I have pulled down 7 on EHRPD. EHRPD is just a switch installed to support a handoff really.

        • Chardog

          Sprint may be majority owned by Softbank… but they aren’t Softbank… They’re still Sprint… Just like DT is a majority owner of T-Mobile, but T-Mobile isn’t DT… I think we all don’t understand how publicly traded companies work…

      • dd23

        Obviously u DO NOT LIVE IN Los ANGELES my mom still has her line active with them Erika she aint lying sprint is the worse in LA when it comes to data speeds. I lived in LA my whole life 32 years had all company’s yes all at&t, verizon,sprint, tmobile, metro,boost,virgin,cricket etc… sprint was really the worse one. Supposedly spark is here I dont see it I even upgraded my moms lg g2 when the update to make it work on spark came out nada same shitty as speeds 1-5 dwn on a lucky day average 1-3 with full bars lte standing outside. All the other companies get at least 10 on a lucky day and average 5-7 much better than sprint. Can I even post a screen shot on here? For u could see your awesome sprint gettin 2 mbps with full bars lte versus tmobile gettin 45 mbps with 3 bars I have screen shotz to prove it both connected to same server same time of day etc..

        • Cory

          Actually yeah I do live in L.A. nice try though.

          Oh and fyi Boost and Virgin are Sprint. Proving again you are lying.

      • Stefan Naumowicz

        “bars measure call quality. Not data.”
        No. Bars measure the signal strength of whatever network type your currently connected to. Usually this does give you better call quality, but remember that LTE is data only so those bars you see are certainly not indicating call quality when your on LTE. On a side note, higher bars don’t automatically mean faster speeds for data, but if everything else is held equal 99% of the time it does

        • Diego Vazquez

          Correct. I’ve done so many speedtests in testing theory. To the point where 3 bars would generate lower speeds vs. 4 bars. Example. 2G EDGE is barely usable when there isn’t 4 bars. 3 bars I can’t load anything. On 4G LTE its the same except its the fastest 4G network i’ve experienced even with 1 bar.

      • TechHog

        So you are a Sprint customer. Because of that, I don’t want to hear your opinion. Obviously you would see benefits from a merger like this, so you’re biased. T-Mobile customers are the ones likely to be screwed,not you, so of course your opinion differs.

        • Cory

          Wrong again bob. And T-Mobile’s own CEO disagrees with you. You are truly biased and can’t see the reality of the situation in the wireless industry in the US. And plus T-Mobile would be the one to benefit more. Their coverage map is 10 times worse than Sprint.

        • Wireless Addict

          Not really, and considering Sprint has major interstates with GAPS of service and people in major cities who regularly bumped back to EVDO, id say the tables are turned against you..

          Have you even looked at a T-Mobile native vs. Sprint coverage map? Sprint’s native coverage is actually less than T-Mobile, most of their coverage is from roaming on Verizon.

        • Cory

          Actually you are wrong.

        • Wireless Addict

          How come every time someone post’s facts, you FAIL at a rebuttal with anything intellectual because you know you can’t rebut the truth.

        • Diego Vazquez

          Sprint does have Verizon Roaming agreements. There’s PRLs to support this statement and the PRLs are mainly for corporate customers. If you have corporate service you will get one of these PRLs on your phone. Look up 11000, 12000 and 16000 PRL’s they are for Verizon Roaming. 16000 PRLs are now sent to corporate phones because these are the LTE PRLs. Sprint also used to make phones where they could be set to ROAM on Verizon i’ve seen it and tested it by dialing 611 and Verizon popped up.

        • TechHog

          No, I would not benefit. I want nothing to do with Sprint, and I would leave the day such a deal gets approved. I don’t trust corporate figures, and I’m sure that a merger would come with the return of contracts. Slightly better coverage sometimes a few years from now does not excite me, especially since I don’t need the coverage. I just want my Uncarrier.

          Besides that, this merger won’t do shit about the duopoly. Coverage will still be bad, and the new company would still be a distant third, especially after millions of people leave T-Mobile to avoid Sprint and both Uncarrier and T-Mobile’s expansion plans come to a screeching halt. What Uncarrier is doing now is more than what a bigger Sprint could ever hope to do.

          And while we’re on this topic, you need to understand what “bleeding money” means. Spending money isn’t bleeding money. Losing money without a clear path to making money is. BlackBerry is bleeding money. Nintendo is bleeding money. Sprint seems to be bleeding money looking at subscriber growth . T-Mobile is investing money andit seems likely that it’ll pay off in the end.

  • SprintHater

    “In Austria, Greece and The Netherlands, 4 nationwide carriers became 3 as two merged. Average pricing dropped between 15-40 percent following the merger in those instances.”
    Not in corporate America!

    • Cory

      Yes but the owner of Sprint isn’t from cooperate America. And every time he has done a merger like this prices have dropped.

  • Austin

    Let’s not forget: all their coverage is becoming LTE, more coverage= more customers= more income= more spectrum= more coverage. So, they’ll be fine.

    • Cory

      Wrong again bob.

      • Austin

        Which part?

        • Cory

          All of it.

        • Austin

          Fact 1: ALL of their coverage is becoming LTE

          Fact 2: If LTE is in your area, you’re more likely to subscribe to a particular carrier.

          Fact 3: customers make money for the carriers.

          Fact 4: Carriers need money to buy spectrum

          Fact 5 carriers need spectrum to broaden their coverage.

          Fact 6: we have officially gone full circle.

        • Cory

          you are very blind.

        • Austin

          Once you go to insults; I win. That’s how internet arguing works.

          Also, arguing in general looks really stupid on your part if you don’t have anything to back you up.

          I win.

        • Cory

          No. You are just blind to the way the industry works in the United States.

        • Austin

          Please, “enlighten” me.

        • Cory

          We are ruled by a Duopoly. That is not going to change unless consolation in the industry happens. And that is a direct quote from T-Mobile’s very own CEO.

        • TechHog

          The flaw is that, as soon as such a merger is announced, millions of T-Mobile users will flock to AT&T and Verizon, making things worse. Sprint has a bad image. Every single T-Mobile user I know has said that they would drop T-Mobile if Sprint buys them. The only way this would even have a chance of working would be as a reverse merger where T-Mobile becomes the name and management of the new company.

        • Cory

          First off, it wouldn’t be Sprint who buys them. It would be Softbank and Son as already that the company who take the T-Mobile name or just have a new name all together. And Sprint only has a bad image because of the Sprint of 5 6 7 years ago. Which isn’t the same Sprint of today. 7 years ago Sprint was dead last in customer service but have been in recent years. And it would be a merger of both team’s managements. But neither one would be in charge. Dan Hesse may still be called the CEO of Sprint. But he isn’t the one in charge anymore. Masayoshi Son is the one in charge now. Ask any industry expert.

        • TechHog

          The fact that Sprint was the only one to lose subscribers in Q4 2013 says otherwise. And it’ll look like Sprint buying T-Mobile to the public eye. Also, only naive people take execs at face value, so I don’t actually believe that the Ledger would be the CEO of the combined company.

          But like I said, since you’re a Sprint customer and likely investor, your opinion is biased and null.

        • Cory

          You are seriously daft mate. But that is typical of Americans. Most can’t even form a sentence.

        • TechHog

          Lack of a counter argument and an insult? Heh. I don’t think that anything more needs to be said. But what do I know? I’m just a crazy, dumbass American~

          Now, can you use your infinite superior nationality knowledge to explain why I shouldn’t think that Son would drop all T-Mobile plans and branding? If you can’t, then all of my points stand and I’ll be buying into the monopoly if this happens, just like my peers. Son may have caused price reductions in the past, but since those reductions are already happening, this has a high chance of being an exception. The second a deal is announced, Uncarrier dies for at least 6 months as we wait for regulatory decisions. No more new phases, and T-Mobile’s expansion plans get put on hold. Then if it goes through, Son forces everyone to switch to Sprint plans, which means that the big two are free to raise prices again. I really don’t see why I should expect Son to have a stronger impact on the industry than Ledger when he hasn’t done anything of the sort so far. He’s already in a stronger position to impact pricing, yet he’s done nothing. I don’t care what he’s done in other countries; if a smaller carrier than his is making waves while he can’t, why should I believe that a merger would help?

        • Wireless Addict

          What’s typical of Sprint user’s is the fact they can’t typically form whole responses with intellectual facts..

        • Diego Vazquez

          Whats typical of Sprint users is that they drop to 3G and can’t load Facebook or Youtube.

        • Wireless Addict

          Sprint has a bad image today because of their TODAY network performance.

        • Cory

          which has improved. You want to paint a picture of Sprint that isn’t true of today.

        • Wireless Addict

          No, it’s still true with being DEAD LAST in network speeds. They are slow just compared to todays standards.

        • Diego Vazquez

          OK they’ve improved by rolling out LTE and Spark. OK I get that. However, they are still in last place. They have the most dropped calls and the worse reception in places.Their 3G isn’t even usable. Their LTE is the only network that works and it isn’t as fast as everyone else. Thats why I referred to it as a half-assed build out. They never get it right. They sit on it w/ bare improvements if any at all. Network Vision has been around for years. But I can barely see the vision of the network because my signal is so low. By next year there will be speed increases but it won’t be enough I bet you this.

        • tmojojo

          improved huh?

          They dropped a long way according to consumer reports. If you’re going to say this stuff, at least back it up. Your own LA times wrote this one:

          http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/21/business/la-fi-tn-sprint-worst-consumer-reports-20131121

        • Chardog

          Sprint has never rehabbed their image… It’s still bad…

  • killi da prince

    Problems with a merger:
    1) cost of merging gsm with CDMA networks
    2) merge will cause a monopoly in either gsm or CDMA network by one of the big 2
    3) even if the 2 companies are merged yet networks run independently the newly formed company is effectively competing with itself which gives said company too much pricing power in respect to consumer plans as well as as and deals with manufacturers
    4) with the economy as it is we need more American based companies not trading one foreign company for another
    5) T-Mobile Uncarrier is actually shaking up the cellular industry initiating responses from the big 2 any merger with sprint may see the roll back of uncarrier and stifle innovation
    6) with the way T-Mobile US is going I can see them buy the controlling stake from Deutsche Telekom in 5 years ala Verizon and Vodphone

    • Cory

      1. Have you note heard of LTE. LTE is replacing Sprint’s CDMA. LTE is the next generation GSM. Also T-Mobile bought CDMA carrier in Metro.

      2. Wrong. A merger will do nothing of the sort has all US carriers are moving to the new standard of LTE. LTE is set to be the new global standard replacing GSM. And all networks in the US plan on being fully LTE for voice and data within the next 8 years. Verizon has already said it’s CDMA network would be completely shut off in 2021. Meaning so will Sprint’s. A merger of the 2 could actually help them deploy VOLTE sooner and both move off of CDMA. Plus all of Sprint’s new phones support GSM network bands

      3. The networks would be merged together to be able to better compete in the US. Both can’t compete against AT&T and Verizon as the industry stands now in the US and T-Mobile’s top execs have staed this. Their CFO stating that the merger was a matter of when and not if.

      4. This comment is ignorant.

      5. Wrong again. John Leger said ‘If and when a Sprint merger happens the T-Mobile branding and uncarrier initiatives would carry over.’ And Son has should this with ever merger he has done. Every merger he has done has always lead to lower prices.

      6. That will never happen because DT will sale T-Mobile before that. And T-Mobile is still bleeding money.

      • killi da prince

        1/2) tmo went straight to deploying LTE advanced not regular LTE as most other US Networks meaning the cost of of converting Sprint’s CDMA to LTE PLUS upgrading Sprint’s already deployed LTE. Also metro PCS is a regional carrier with a fledgling LTE network the cost of converting is significantly less than trying 2 do the same with a nationwide network what does Verizon network to do with sprint Verizon rolled out LTE rapidly and sprints footprint is still mediocre you are comparing apples to oranges
        3)what has sprint done to try 2 innovate in the cellular industry? While maybe both are not viable by themselves to compete with the big 2 as they are now T-Mobile uncarrier is causing growth in the company while sprint is still losing money this doesn’t say hey we need to merge but maybe sprint needs some overhaul hell they’re under new management and still singing the same old song and dance
        4) ummm plzz go take an eccomomics class ever heard of an embargo or higher taxes and such on foreign goods and services there are clear advantages of having home based companies versus foreign
        5) u really think john really has the power to dictate the terms of any agreement DT has to Sell Their own shares Ummm again take an economics class shareholders do ways best for them not wat their employees want
        6)umm read tmobiles last earnings call yes they are still loosing money yet its significantly less than wat they were loosing this time last year which means ahh u guessed it growth so while yes they haven’t jumped clear out of the negative yet they are in a better position than they were this time last year and still getting better

        • Cory

          1/2. Wrong. And Sprint has more money than T-Mobile could ever of..

          3. Well let’s see Sprint Spark. Their new Framily plans. Are both innovative and anyone who isn’t biased agrees with that. And no they are not singing the same old song and dance. Anyone with actual knowledge of Sprint will know this. Their Network Vision is pretty much complete which has greatly improved 3G data speeds and call quality. Anyone who has experience can tell you this. 3G speeds are the same level of AT&T and T-Mobile but that is because CDMA 3G is always going to be slower. That is just a fact. CDMA is a bad technology to try and build 3G on. The LTE roll out has speed up. And Spark is being rolled out. And with the money of Softbank and the guidance Sprint’s network will be the most powerful in the US.

          4. Not worth my time.

          5. Just telling you what he said. And it isn’t far fetched as Son would probably do that.

          6. They are still bleeding money and will be for a long time. And since they don’t have the pull to get the spectrum they need they are in a bad position.

        • killi da prince

          1 how am I wrong go look up T-Mobile LTE network its advance not regular but if u want to save time you can find the article on tmonews back wen David still ran the site you are wrong sprints new parent company has money if sprint actually had so much money they wouldn’t be loosing money that’s a paradox my Friend
          3 all you jus listed is response to other carriers not new innovation T-Mobile getting rid of contract and adding EiP thatsv inovation if u don’t know innovation is game changers spark did not change the game family OK kind of a sweet deal but still not a game changer
          5) wrong he said IF uncarrier can stay and him be in charge he’s all 4 the merger he never said it was a required condition set in stone
          6) T-Mobile needs spectrum yes so does every other carrier Globally the difference between T-Mobile network is with the refarm of edge date to LTE their footprint will be closer to Verizon and the kicker is T-Mobile will have a failsafe network in hspa+ whereas Verizon sprint rely solely on LTE to wat happens when a network outage happens those networks will jus be down whereas tmobiles hspa+ would kick in like a backup generator even at can’t even match in this aspect also go read about the new laws coming into effect concerning spectrum and their auctions jus because u got money does not mean you will be able to buy all of the spectrum up that would be anti competitive

        • Cory

          1. Missed the point. And Sprint does have more money than T-Mobile. That is the beauty of having a sugar daddy owner. And T-Mobile is losing money as well and more money by some reports. See CNET.

          2. Again you are showing you are biased. And Spark will change the game. Once it is deployed (and with the rate it is being deployed it will happen probably by next year or so) Sprint’s network will be the fastest and most powerful. This isn’t a disputed fact. This is what every single tech blog says.

          4. You took what I said out of context.

          6. You a are forgetting that HSPA+ will be shut down within the next 10 years.

        • Daniel

          T-Mobile has a sugar daddy that initially wanted to toss out T-Mobile but recently has come to like them.

        • Diego Vazquez

          I have to disagree on Sparks performance. Spark is very disappointing and every rollout Sprint has done has been half-ass done. But IDC about what Sprint hasn’t done. If T-Mobile buys out Sprint which they should. Just rid of Sprint all together like they didn’t exist. They have been nothing but a huge disappointment since they started in business. Spark’s real speeds are averaging between 10 to 20Mbps and it is faster than Wi-Max but not so much.

        • Cory

          Said the liar.

        • Diego Vazquez

          No because there are still dropped calls and slow internet my customers complain of. Everyone that walks into my store wants to avoid any Sprint carrier period.

          Tests don’t lie either. Websites have said Sprint is the slowest of them all still. And even if ended up getting better that HD Voice will kill it anyways.

          Also, Sprint isn’t planning on killing CDMA anytime soon. Sprint will be the only one with CDMA when Verizon moves to GSM.

        • 404101

          Actually that isn’t true. Sprint will have to kill CDMA when Verizon does or even before.

        • Diego Vazquez

          No Sprint has chosen its own path. Maybe they will convert to GSM sometime later after Verizon does. But I haven’t seen an update yet from them. Sprint will soon get bought and Deutsche Telekom needs to realize they are the ones that need to purchase Sprint even if you wasted money back over 10 years ago.

        • Wireless Addict

          You can’t even respond with facts, typical Sprint user. Childish

        • The Doctor

          Yeah I don’t believe you. The performance of Spark has been damn good. I have to go back and forth to Sprint and T-Mobile for work. And Spark puts T-Mo LTE to shame. And let’s talk about Sprint’s rollouts. The WiMax roll out would have went differently if Sprint wasn’t sued by AT&T to stop them from deploying WiMax. AT&T said at the time that ‘WiMax was anti-competitive. And gave Sprint and unfair advantage’ Which delayed the WiMax roll out for years. Look up the lawsuit, The LTE rollout wasn’t really half assed because it came with network vision which was a complete and total rebuilding of the network from the ground but resulting in a completely new network. Also the Sprint we have today is not the Sprint who rolled out WiMax. They are owned by Softbank who won’t Let Spark roll out be half assed. Softbank is now in charge at Sprint. And Sparks’ real average is not 10 to 20. Spark’s real average is 50 to 70. That is a fact. And Spark will allow Speed increases over time and will be about to have great number of people on it without slowing down.

        • Diego Vazquez

          According to Sprint they rolled out a huge pipeline of at least 40MHz of Wi-Max and speeds of 10Mbps is disappointing from that, If T-Mobile rolled it out it would’ve been over 10x faster. Network Vision a name they have had since 3G LOL. Its set at 70 right now but real speeds are not so good because you don’t get the high #s at all times and on T-Mobile I have the lowest Ping and the fastest speeds it puts Verizon to shame. T-Mobile has always been an inventor which the other carriers haven’t invented much as T-Mobile. It seems the carriers just follow what T-Mobile invents. This is why T-Mobile has to stay.

        • Wireless Addict

          Quit with the network vision BS. T-Mobile is doing the SAME thing with network modernization. Stop making excuses nobody cares about.

        • Cory

          Wrong again. And if it were true they wouldn’t be at the table with discussing said sale to Softbank. DT has stated as recently as a few weeks ago they want out of the US wireless game because T-Mobile is bleeding money even still and they don’t want to foot the bill anymore.

        • Daniel

          2- Spark is expected to cover most major cities by end of 2015 specifically, and Tmobiles 20×20 LTE network is actually faster (initially as Spark is currently running 50-60 peak and 20×20 is currently running average 80-90 though spark will support longer term increases without new phone hardware required) than Spark though rollout will most likely take a bit longer. The upside to Tmos new LTE is that it actually is the same LTE CAT 4 as VZW and ATT will be using and it is used internationally so phones will be more compatible and easier to come by.
          Spark Also runs on 2500mhz which has much worse building penetration when compared to the 1700mhz of T-Mobile and Verizons LTE Cat4.
          Spark also still does not support calls and Data use at the same time even though Sprints standard LTE does support it…

          6- Your argument is pointless against HSPA+ because it wont be needed in the next 10 years as all sites are going to be LTE by then. The reason HSPA+ is nice is because it is a good backup for areas not yet converted to LTE..

        • Cory

          2. Actually wrong. T-Mobile’s is significantly slower. And wrong. Spark runs on 3 LTE bands. 800, 1900, and 2500. Not just 2500. Spark is Tri-Band LTE. It uses all of Sprint’s LTE Bands. Who the hell cares about calling and using data at the same time? It is just stupid to even to do that and makes no sense. And you are leaving out key factors. It doesn’t now but it will. God you are daft and biased.

          6. Yet it won’t be needed in 10 years. You cannot dispute that fact.

        • Daniel

          I never said it would be. HSPA+ is amazing to have right now.
          T-Mobiles regular LTE is slower yes, but the new 20×20 is NOT.
          The fast speeds you are raving about only come on the 2500mhz band. 800mhz DOESN’T have the capacity for the faster speeds…
          It will however allow for much better in building coverage and better range on each tower which is great.

        • Cory

          Yes and T-Mobile can do HSPA+ because they are GSM. Where Sprint unfortunately cannot. If they were GSM, which if am being honest would prefer them to be and quite honestly if and when a T-Mobile merger does happen would prefer them to move over to GSM. Granted that argument is kind of null and void once LTE takes. And yes true. But it still with Spark and the spectrum Sprint has and the money from Softbank and with the real leader of the company being Masayoshi Son, with in a very few years Sprint will have the most powerful and fastest network in the country. It is already faster in certain places and for me than any of their competitors.

        • Daniel

          Every company is going to have areas that are faster than their competitors.

        • Wireless Addict

          Who care’s about a *few years*? Nobody, because guess where your money goes? It goes to TODAY… Im paying for TODAY, not paying and hoping for tomorrow.. If Sprint really is the fastest in a few years, like everyone has been saying for the PAST few years they would be in 2013 then we can hop over at that time. But your average consumer only gives a crap about their 24 month contract or EIP plan.

        • Cory

          You are trying to paint a picture of Sprint that isn’t true of today. Nice try. Also if it weren’t for the lawsuit AT&T laid on Sprint in 2006 to prevent them from rolling out WiMax (which was a stupid investment but one thy had to make in order to not lose their spectrum) that wouldn’t haven’t took so long to roll out. Also their LTE rollout has speed up since the Softbank take over. With areas that aren’t even turned on as LTE yet getting LTE. Where as most of T-Mobile’s map is stuck in edge land. Also the average consumer doesn’t really care. As long as they have a reasonable data speeds they are happy, because they are on Wi-Fi most of the time. it is only us tech nerds that care.

        • Wireless Addict

          Well it seems as Sprint is *rollout out* LTE quickly, T-Mobile is rolling it out at a pace as quick or quicker. And they are actually following through on their word.

        • Wireless Addict

          You are quite wrong, maybe you should look at every real world speedtest out there published by any tech magazine… Spark is just a marketing gimmick Sprint had to create so people would think their network is faster than everyone else’s, yet people are pulling down 40+Mbit/s on T-Mobile real world daily, and in 20×20 markets 100+ Nobody care’s Sprint has to use 3 freakin’ bands to keep up with everyone else out there.

          And I supposed the biased one is the one posting on a T-Mobile FAN page who uses Sprint, the proven slowest carrier in the US..

        • Cory

          Wrong again bob. You really don’t understand anything you are talking about. And you clearly don’t understand the concept of Tri-Band LTE. Which T-Mobile wishes they had.

          And Sprint isn’t slow to me. Here in West Hollywood pull in 60 megs down on the regular. So yeah nice try. .

        • Justin747

          60 mbps on Sprint in LA? I basically have to drive around LA for work. I have MANY hours of cell usage with Sprint, Verizon, and T-mobile. More with Verizon and T-Mobile because I gave up on trying to make Sprint work here.

          If you got even 30+ on Sprint LTE it would be amazing enough to call the Guinness Book of World Records. You gotta prove that one buddy… Post some speed tests or something.

        • Wireless Addict

          Do you even understand anything other than marketing gimmicks? Tri-Ban LTE? WOW, we have had QUAD BAND GSM phone’s for YEARS.. T-Mobile will soon have tri band LTE in locations as well, seeing as they will be running AWS, PCS, and 700A in some area’s.

          The *Spark* part is the only part of the network that is somewhat fast, and it’s running on 2600mhz with HORRID reach.. The PCS and SMR banded LTE are running SLOW 5×5 Blocks.. Maybe you should understand how the basic concept of the network works before your babble.. BTW, many users including myself have gotten over 100mbit/s on T-Mobile in area’s such as Dallas and more.. We’ve had 60mbit/s without any fancy marketing for quite some time on all the other major carriers.

        • TechHog

          Yeah, I’m sure that you’re totally unbiased.

        • Daniel

          How is Framily Innovative? It is just a long term referral program with a fatal flaw.
          Network vision is not anywhere near complete as most states have not finished conversion to 3G and MANY customers still have severe dropped calls. Just now in different areas.
          Spark is awesome though.

          T-Mobile just purchased a massive amount of spectrum… That makes the argument that they don’t have the pull to get spectrum null and void.

        • Cory

          How about every single tech site from CNET to Android Central to Android Headlines that call it innovative. Because that is what it is. If you weren’t biased you would see that.

          Network Vision is nearing completion according to CNET. 3G speeds and call quality have greatly increased. Though 3G based on CDMA is always going to be slower than 3G based on GSM. That is just a fact.

          Well, T-Mobile’s CEO, disagrees with you on the spectrum front. As does their COO and CFO. You calling them all wrong?

        • Daniel

          I don’t care what CNET says about Network Vision. Internal docs show it is still not that close to being finished.
          All the Framily Plan is is separate billing and a referral program put together.
          Plus the fact that the discount for multiple lines doesn’t take into affect for 1-2 billing cycles (and will never count towards prorated charges) means the first bill when switching is dramatically higher than it should be.

        • Cory

          That’s not true.

        • Daniel

          Which part?

        • Alex Zapata

          Actually, TMO didn’t deploy LTE-A from the beginning, but they did deploy on capable hardware. The switch to LTE-A was effectively a firmware update. It’s not exactly that simple, but you get the idea.

      • André On

        1- Have you heard about Asia-Pacific Telecommunity? THIS is how LTE in US should be. While South America, Mexico, India, New Zeland, South Korea, Taiwan, United Arab Emirates, Europe and Japan are having their LTE standardized and Harmonised, LTE in America is a big mess. Basically devices from any of these regions will work in any of these regions. US will be left out.

      • TechHog

        Why hello Sprint investor. How are you today?

    • austinsho

      “Analysts” more than likely don’t know the difference between CDMA, GSM and the hole in their backside.

      Find out who at NSR decided this study was a good idea and why…and you’ll know who wants to benefit from the Worst Merger Idea since Sprint and whatever-the-hell that IDEN company was.

    • Alex Zapata

      The difference in network technologies is rather moot at this point as most new equipment can do just about everything (I really like the new NSN hardware), but as a TMO fanboy I don’t want to see a merger.

  • Daniel

    If they merge they will both just die.

  • Daniel

    People saying price drops are a good reason to merge need to realize prices are dropping anyway right now because of Tmobile. There has been more priceplan change announcements in the past 6 months than we usually have in a 2-3 year period…

  • TechHog

    Analysts areare greedy, self-serving idiots.

  • BigKok

    IT IS CLEAR that most people here do NOT have a life! Find something else to do with your time instead of debating back n forth like lil gals!

    • GINAG

      sounds like cory here ugh annoying dnt know what hes doing here if he has sprint

      • ERIKA

        agree cory should go to a sprint forum page or something yes sprint probably works good in his area and ok we get it but here in LA AND vegas sprint sucks

        • Cory

          I live in L.A. West Hollywood to be precise. So I know you are lying. And take regular trips to Vegas. Nice try.

        • TechHog

          You were just proven by a mod to be a liar, so you probably lied about this too. Sprint should fire you. You’re not very good at this PR thing. ;)

        • Wireless Addict

          And we know you are a liar, seeing as everyone else including Root Metrics say Sprint service is poor in those cities.

    • Longtimecustomer

      You are an idiot troll.

    • BigKok is TinyKok in Reality

      Says the person who started a thread to say others don’t have a life!!!!
      Maybe others have a life but have free time in between!!!
      I’m sorry if grandma has you on a tight schedule but I’m sure there’s an escape route somewhere in her basement ;p

  • FlippinRee

    I have had Sprint for about 10 years now, and I can truthfully and objectively tell you that it flat out sucks. It has actually gotten worse the past 2 years. Data speeds are abysmal and network coverage has become incredibly spotty…and this is not just in my area because I travel quite a bit and have seen the same problems everywhere I go. I have given Sprint the benefit of the doubt for some time, but enough is enough. T-mobile has impressed me with their improvements in such a short period of time. A merger with Sprint will only stifle their progress.

    • Cory

      Yeah you are lying. By every independent study done the network has improved. And with the Softbank takeover now complete you can bet that will only get better.

      • Stefan Naumowicz

        Funny how everybody here is a liar and your the sole person telling the truth. There’s a reason Sprint is hemorrhaging customers while t-Mobile is gaining them at break-neck pace and I’l give you a hint. It’s NOT because Sprint provides better service

      • francob911 .

        Every carrier are only going to get better not just sprint Cory .. There’s no point in that comment

      • FlippinRee

        Excuse me?! Who the f%ck are you to tell me I’m a liar?! I STILL have Sprint and despite what these “reports” say, this is my personal experience. Wait…I get it. You must work for Sprint. Dude, you are a sad piece of work. Get a reality check and get a life.

  • francob911 .

    Cory why dont you take that out off your behind so can think straight

  • Rick Rudge

    Interesting take on this merger, Cam. It certainly got a lot of responses by people that feel very passionate about it. I’m not sure whether I agree with the prices being cheaper after a merger. I guess that it could happen. I’m certainly no expert on the LTE technology versus the marketing benefits or hazard that a merger might entail. But, one fact seems to always be there, Deutsche Telekom doesn’t really want to hold onto T-Mobile US (except to get more money in a bidding war). There will be some kind of merger. It’s only a matter of when and with whom.

    • Edward351

      Average prices would likely be cheaper, as stated in the article, but that doesn’t mean TMO would have to lower its prices. Bigger, better competitors force the market leaders to lower their prices to compete. But being bigger and better and having less competition would let TMO raise their prices in response to growing demand for their products. If the leaders lower more than TMO raises, this results in a lower average price among all carriers, but mostly benefits the leader’s customers.

  • Winski

    So what you’re saying is that SPRINT better figure out what they wanna be POST BANKRUPTCY now, because T-Mumble can basically ignore them until they blow up and then T-Mumble comes in to pick up the pieces – CHEAP !! And the rest gets tossed in the waste bin !…..Har..Har..Har…..

    Got it…

  • tomarone

    Hello, I think the questions are: is T-Mobile gaining customers? Does that make money? and will they get more spectrum if they do NOT merge with Sprint, or how much more if they DO merge. The issues are customers, money, and spectrum.
    Really though, the issue is the executives making millions in merger acquisition fees and stock exchanges. That’s the ONLY issue to the executives, Dutch telecom, softbank, sprint, tmus, whatever.

  • Nearmsp

    Son, has thrown good Japanese money after a bad apple (Sprint). The only way he can make it good is buying throwing more money at it. Unfortunately after a bruising AT&T bid, neither the FCC nor FTC is any mood for more of the same. Both institutions were accused of never having said no to any buyout and rubber stamping. FCC commissioners were called political hacks on reputed publications for having made the US wireless market the most concentrated in the world with AT^T and Verizon holding the bulk of the spectrum. There is 0 chance of a merger, even though both AT&T and Verizon would love to see T-mobile subsumed in an inefficient Sprint. For the first time, the US wireless market has become competitive. It would be better for sprint to sell itself to Vodaphone of UK or other European company. Merger will never happen, and Son is wasting his and his shareholders money and time.

  • Doakie

    “Average pricing dropped between 15-40 percent following the merger in those instances.” T-Mobile alone has brought prices down that much. Sprint is totally powerless.

  • Noel

    Hmmmm right…Paid for analyst. Merger not gonna happen…Tmobile single handedly disrupting the cell phone market space for the betterment of all consumers. The other members of the big four Networks are forced to respond to Tmo moves.

  • Jaramie Black

    You really don’t have a life. Bye bye sprint fan boy. Sprints shitty call quality, garbage lte, and terrible overall coverage. The network is slow and unreliable. I’m glad I moved to T-Mobile where I don’t miss phone calls/text and can actually use my data. Moral of the story is, sprint failed with network vision.

  • dd23

    Amd you are a dumbazz

  • The Doctor

    What’s wrong with you? Is Sprint the best network? No. They are still better than both AT&T and Verizon. And T-Mobile’s network isn’t any better than Sprint’s. In a lot of cases it is worse. I go between both for work. And I tend get more reliable coverage with when I am using Sprint than when I use T-Mobile. That is just a fact. The only thing slow with Sprint is their 3G. Their LTE is blazing fast in my experience and in some areas 10x faster than T-Mobile’s. And you are seriously off when it comes to network vision. It has done anything but failed. The network’s performance has dramatically improved. Call quality is better. HD Voice has rolled out. 3G speeds have gotten faster. They are much faster than Verizon’s. But not as fast as AT&T and T-Mobile. Mainly do to the technology used. But every objective study done on Network Vision comes to the same conclusion: That is working and that it is better. What you are forgetting. Sprint practically rebuilt the entire network from the ground up. That’s why it has taken so long. And they made clear that when network vision was being done in a area the network performance would suffer until the area was complete. And I would be so quick to bash Sprint. Not with Softbank taking over. And with Softbank’s vision I bet you will go running back to Sprint in about a year’s time. Mark my words on that. But anyway as I said. use both for work. Live in Northern California. And from my experience Sprint just performs better at call quality and LTE. But that is just my experience. Everyone’s is different. But to say what you said about Sprint’s network is just flat out wrong.

  • thepanttherlady

    What’s the matter, Cory? Got bored posting under your own username? Lol

  • Jaramie Black

    You are wrong!!!

  • francob911 .

    I had both too and when I didn’t have Sprint LTE I would go down to 3g which was useless … With T-Mobile if I didn’t have LTE I would go down to hspa+ which was fast .. And way faster than Sprint 3g and to let you know I had spark enabled phone on sprint “Nexus 5 ” and the same phone on Tmobile .T-Mobile LTE speeds are faster than Sprint LTE

  • Jaramie Black

    what I said about sprints network isnt wrong. This is from real world experience and traveling all over the east coast. Get over yourself you idiot. Sprint is good in some areas but in most places, they are terrible. You may get good service in California, but here on the east coast Sprint is terrible. Baltimore/DC was pathetic, I had 1x in downtown Baltimore which is unacceptable. I couldnt use 3g to stream music on 95, so please sir, shut the fuck up and go to sprints page and help them out. Us T-mobile customers don’t need you and your idiotic comments. Bye bye fan boy.

  • Wireless Addict

    Did you know T-Mobile’s network *modernization* project is essentially the same as Sprint’s *Network Vision (which is what it is, a vision and not a reality), from the fiber optics to the RRH units. They aren’t being revolutionary, they are just bringing their network up to par on what the other carrier’s have had for years.

  • The Doctor

    Yeah, I’m not Cory. You wish I was but I a not.

  • thepanttherlady

    Bwahahaha! You must not realize mods can see the email address and IP address you’re posting from, Cory. ;)

  • The Doctor

    Little baby get her feelings hurt by being proven wrong she had to delete my comment. Truly pathetic.

  • Stefan Naumowicz

    I can tell it’s the same person based on the same misspellings and poor use of grammar, lol

  • Alex Zapata

    And the panther has pounced!