Dish Chairman, Ergen states that T-Mobile acquisition is still “on the table”

The sign in the lobby of the corporate headquarters of Dish Network is seen in the Denver suburb of Englewood

After failing to compete with Softbank on the purchase of Sprint earlier in the year, Dish is still looking at ways of getting in to the mobile communications market. One of the ways apparently still “on the table” is to purchase T-Mobile US. The company’s chairman, Charlie Ergen, spoke to Bloomberg and stated that this was just one of the options. It’s also looking in to “acquiring a company, selling our company, merging, partnering — those are all on the table.”

Apart from that, there’s very little on what this would mean in reality. With T-Mobile currently performing well above its competitors in terms of new subscribers, and with it committing to expanding and improving quality of coverage, it’s in its strongest position for years. Is now the right time to sell?

A couple of years back, when AT&T and Deutsche Telekom tried to organize a buy-out, many magenta colored hearts sank in to their respective boots. In that instance however, it was just going to be a case of AT&T swallowing up Tmo and owning the monopoly on GSM networks. How they’ll respond at hearing news of a Dish takeover is difficult to see, since it’s purely hypothetical at the moment.

Do you think T-Mobile needs to consider a partnership/buy-out now? Or can it survive and grow as it is? Does it need more investment to expand coverage more rapidly?

Via: Bloomberg 

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  • Adrayven

    Gwad no! Dish would be the worst thing to happen to T-Mobile.. They LOVE contracts. 12 mo at $19.99 then up to you 39.99/mo after, 24 month contracts.. blah! Yuck!

    Stay away DISH! If Dish buys them, I’m moving.. They contract out all support too. You can bet contracts would be back and support would tank!

    EDIT: ONLY way I would consider staying is if the Dish CEO stepped down as part of the agreement and John Legere took the helm.. Then I’d feel comfortable. w/o him though, it’s a dead horse.

    • SouthernBlackNerd

      Charlie Ergen step down? Have any other crazy wishes? World Peace? End Hunger?

      Charlie Ergen wants full control. Legere would be a lap dog for Ergen. That was why Sprint basically locked itself to Softbank when Softbank raised their offer. Their were so many stipulations that Dish had to follow to make another offer that they knew they would never win.

      • KlausWillSeeYouNow

        No, they’re two men from the same mold. I think Ergen and Legere would be a great combination.

        Like a Reese’s peanut butter cup.

        • SouthernBlackNerd

          So long as Legere forgets the word No and learns to be a Yes Man.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Also, I hardly believe that Legere would be a lapdog. He’s not the type. And, by that logic, he would already be a lapdog of DT – and we know that’s not the case.

        • SouthernBlackNerd

          Ergen is much more Hands On than DT ever will be. DT is trying to pump TMUS up until they can sell their shares for the highest dollar amount they can. TMUS’s ARPU has dropped almost 4 dollars since uncarrier started. The point of Uncarrier is to get customers, investors, and bloggers excited about TMUS until they can drop them off.

          When Ergen was buying Sprint he would have owned 36%, but the deal gave him 85% of the voting rights. That was why Hesse and the other BOD members basically chained themselves to Softbank’s final offer. They knew that Ergen would drop them if they tried to speak out. The same will happen to Legere, unless he learns to bark on command.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Interesting point, but I think you overestimate Legere and underestimate Ergen.

        • SouthernBlackNerd

          I think you have become blinded by your dream of seeing T-Dish become a thing. Ergen is not this idol that you have built up in your head.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Ergen is a very smart man, and I firmly believe that a T-Dish does enhance T-Mobile’s long-term prospects.

        • dkbnyc

          Why? In what way will T-Mobile be enhanced?

    • Moby

      As if Ergen would care if you left. He has accumulated so much spectrum, he is going to somehow get access to a physical network to use it.

      • 21stNow

        The thing is the Adrayven is not alone. If Dish bought T-Mobile, I give it three years before the customer base is about the size of US Cellular’s right now.

    • KlausWillSeeYouNow

      Wait a second… Dish does NOT contract out all support. That’s inaccurate. They do have self-run support; third parties are only used in specific instances.

  • Trevnerdio

    Can we just…not for now? Please? The company is doing a lot better on its own right now.

    • Moby

      It’s not up to you as Deutsche Telekom is the majority stockholder. So if they want to strike a deal with Ergen they will.

      • Trevnerdio

        Why would I think it’s up to me? I never insinuated that.

    • KlausWillSeeYouNow

      A lot better? With do-nothing Deutsche Telekom in command? No thanks, I’d rather keep the momentum going with Dish and finally expand coverage and spectrum holdings.

      • Trevnerdio

        Except Legere doesn’t need DT to do amazing things.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Just like Chevrolet doesn’t need GM to do amazing things.

          Hmmm…

          Parent companies have a lot to do with cash flow. Very little of what Legere’s done has required major capital. T-Mobile will need that majorly going forward.

        • Trevnerdio

          I know that. But Dish wouldn’t help that much, I have a feeling.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Eh, I beg to differ. Have you tried Dish? They were first in HD, mobile TV-viewing, and offer the most advanced technology of any TV provider. They’d make a great team with T-Mo. :-)

        • Trevnerdio

          Gave em a try. Didn’t like them, so we went back to Comcast (which is buddied up with Verizon lol)

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Haha. Oh gosh! I had Comcrap for 11 years. Replaced them with DIRECTV, then got Dish. Dish has been the best so far.

          Hope you like your Comcast service. I really hated mine; they just don’t do a good job in my area.

        • Trevnerdio

          Well, here’s my dilemma. They all suck as far as pricing goes, and we had a particularly rainy summer (like torrential downpours here in Florida) and I’m glad we had cable because I know satellite could not have been that reliable. Also, satellite internet is ridiculously overpriced and I get 105mbps with Comcast anyway.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          :-O 105Mbps! Wow. That’s not bad at ALL. I have satellite Internet, even though Xfinity and U-verse is available. Even in the rain, it works just fine for me – had an excellent install. I pay $140/month for America’s Top 250, DishNET 15+ Mbps down (best you can get from anyone in my area). All in all, it’s not a bad deal, and I pay loads less that Comcast or AT&T.

          When you’re stuck with Comcast as the only terrestrial provider for a long time, you begin to get REAL sick of them. That’s why I abhor Comcast – many bad memories. Glad to be rid of them!

        • Trevnerdio

          I love the speed! And yeah, Comcast was the only thing available for soo long…but Knology (now Wow!) Isn’t any better…at least for internet ;)

  • Luis

    For some reason I was under the impression that Dish thought it would be difficult to join with TMobile! I remember the talks from a few months ago, where Dish was fervently going after Sprint and Clear. What changed now regarding the ability to merge with Dish? I’ve had service with Dish in the years past, so I am wondering how they would fit in as far as the customer service aspect. I’m sure the background tech portion will be an awesome union with TMo but I seriously hope they’ll allow Magenta to keep its current customer service path, I honestly feel it’s far improved! Does anyone know what spectrum Dish would bring to the table, I’m assuming lower end spectrum for penetration and maybe some more higher end spectrum for capacity and speed.

    • KlausWillSeeYouNow

      Ergen is a smart man. He will. :-)

  • Chris

    If dish partners with tmobile, I will switch providers immediately!

    • 21stNow

      I’ll beat you out of the door!

      • KlausWillSeeYouNow

        Well, there are no contracts, so feel free :-)

    • KlausWillSeeYouNow

      Dish is a great company. I don’t work for them or anything, but they’re the most technologically advanced television provider, bar none. They’ve got the resources and spectrum we need to keep T-Mobile in the long run, and you, the consumer, will ultimately benefit.

      Dish already has the lowest prices in television. They’d be a perfect match for the best value in wireless, and could ensure T-Mobile’s long-term survival in the face of big rivals.

      • ProudPapa

        Yeah, just wait though, your wireless reception will go out during storms. :P Just kidding Klaus, that isn’t a serious statement, so don’t blow up over it.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Haha! I LOLed. I don’t blow up over comments usually, I just REALLY resent people proclaiming nonsense as gospel and then accusing me of trolling. :-)

  • S. Ali

    Any deal that improves coverage is ok in my book.

    • KlausWillSeeYouNow

      It probably would. Dish has customers in some very rural areas. What good is having a wireless service if most of the potential customers are out of reach? I think that Dish would be quite committed to growing the network, I really do.

  • 21stNow

    Someone turn over that table now! No Dish in the cellular market, ever.

    • KlausWillSeeYouNow

      I’m afraid you’re in for a rude awakening, sir.

  • sticksabuser

    Just NO. This proposition is full of “NOPE”.

  • Deadeye37

    If Dish let T-mobile keep their Uncarrier strategy and basically let T-mobile run itself while Dish added their wireless spectrum for T-mobile use, then I would be for this. It would be even better if they offered further discounts on TV/mobile service for having both services.

    If Dish decides to take over running T-mobile and brings back contracts and raises prices, then this definitely should not go through.

    • Stone Cold

      I could see a partnership but a Dish take over would kill T-mobile in my opinion.

      • KlausWillSeeYouNow

        Dish would not bring back contracts. I’m sorry, I just don’t see that happening. Right now, that would be sheer insanity.

  • sushimane88

    Maybe tmobile are planning to buy out dish spectrum and refurbish The frequency to match with tmobile. I know dish frequency is different from tmobile 1700/2100

  • rfgenerator

    If Ergen gets his talons on T-Mobile the “Uncarrier” name may remain, but that’s about it. Charlie Ergen is not a hands off kind of guy. Expect rates to increase (rolled into “below the line” fees), service levels will fall, and CAPEX will grind to a crawl. In other words an Ergen takeover would destroy every bit of progress T-Mobile has made in the last year.

    • KlausWillSeeYouNow

      Why would Dish pay money to destroy something? After all, they’re not AT&T… :-)

      Charlie is a smart man. He’d look at T-Mo, see and understand how Uncarrier has helped it out, and keep the momentum going. T-Mo isn’t cheap. He’d want return on investment, and the best way to ensure that would be to continue its undeniable success.

  • Guest

    Want to know how it could turn out if this were to happen…. Ask Blockbuster…..

    • KlausWillSeeYouNow

      Lie of the year. You should honestly be ashamed for promulgating such nonsense. Dish purchased Blockbuster AFTER they tanked majorly and had the resources and ability to salvage the dying brand. Your argument is so historically inaccurate and factually dishonest it’s shameful.

      Why the need to smear Dish?

      • Guest

        You should honestly be ashamed for your idiotic trolling of these blog comments. Lay off the caffeine there Klaus, we are all entitled to our opinions. If they were dead already, then why Dish purchase Blockbuster in the first place. That would actually seem to back up my statement that they don’t know how to manage mergers and aquisitions, which still makes it just as scary for T-Mobile. How long have you worked for Dish anyway?

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Original comeback. I’ve worked for Dish just as long as you’ve worked for DirecTV.

          First off, I don’t work for Dish. Secondly, your opinion has no factual basis. You deliberately manipulate the historic record to reflect nonexistent events. If you were so confused as to why Dish would want Blockbuster, you could have asked that.

          Here’s why:

          -Brand recognition. Believe it or not, consumers value the (very tarnished) Blockbuster name. You’re clearly not a Dish customer, as you would have known that Blockbuster is now a movie service offered through Dish. It features dedicated movie channels as well as a database of streaming movies, similar to Netflix without the mail-in-DVDs.

          Also, Blockbuster was not a merger. It was an acquisition. They purchased their assets. You are clearly not well-educated about that event, because Dish grabbed BB just as they bottomed out.

          I take umbrage that you, either through ignorance or intent, tried to smear the Dish brand. Blockbuster got themselves into the mess they were in; Dish just picked up the pieces for a relative bargain. Get the facts straight.

        • Guest

          Yeah, I’m the troll…. Whatever dude, you’re not worth engaging in conversation with.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          It’s clear that you’re not very receptive to new information.

          I don’t mean to be argumentative, just know what you’re talking about before you talk, and if you mess up, own up.

          It’s evident that you have no idea what went down regarding Blockbuster. That is all.

        • Guest

          I didn’t learn anything new from you, and didn’t mess anything up. You are not my zen master. Blockbuster still had a chance to be valuable in the DVD by mail and Streaming TV service, but Dish bought them and chopped their head off, and made those services for Dish customers only when they already had similar services. It is true that Blockbuster might have finished itself off anyway, but Dish paid Billions and did it anyway with seemingly no plan. I don’t know anyone that switches to Dish because they own the Blockbuster name, that’s baloney, but I am glad you like their service. I couldn’t care less about their service, honestly, because this is about T-Mobile’s future, not how good a signal Dish has.

          T-Mobile has improved its revenue, but it is nowhere near being out of the woods. You’re passionate about a Dish buyout, I hope you are right, but I fear that you are not. I’m sorry you can’t handle it when someone has a different opinion than yourself. Reply all you want to this, but this will be the last time I ever engage in any thread in which you are a part. This is supposed to be a conversation, not a lecture.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Okay. Thanks. I’m crushed that you won’t respond, but let me put this here for the public’s benefit:

          -Blockbuster Total Access was a failure. Saying that they could compete with Netflix is absurd, and you know that. But you’d rather selectively rewrite history.

          -Dish never had a mail-in-DVD system. End of story.

          -I never said anyone would switch to Dish because of the Blockbuster name. I know you have a very poor understanding of business affairs, but let me restate that despite your perception of the Blockbuster brand for many years it was the Cadillac of video services, and Dish recognized that their name may have some value. So they grabbed it.

          -If you’re actually concerned about T-Mo’s future, you’d take an interest in learning more about the company that may end up acquiring them. But you’re not well-informed in general regarding Dish, so I rest my case.

          You seem to want to play hide-and-smear, and it’s ridiculous. You simply can’t rewrite history. Hope you enjoyed the lecture.

        • ProudPapa

          Not worth it. You are only out to shout anyone down who doesn’t share your opinions, which by the way is all you are offering, opinions. I hope Cam and the phonedog team sees how ridiculously one-sided these threads are, because I will no longer be posting. I have better things to do than to engage with CEO wanna-be’s.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Feel free to disagree! It’s fine. I’m just saying, don’t pin Blockbuster’s failure on Dish. They had nothing to do with it.

          You have a strange definition of opinion. An opinion is a sentiment that is preferentially-based, fact is a thing this is indisputably the case. It is indisputably the case that a company that purchases another one AFTER its collapse cannot be held responsible for its failure. Your deluded sentiment and selective rewriting of history is an opinion.

          I’m sure Cam recognizes that differences of opinion are the point of comments. Not everybody agrees with each other all the time.

        • ProudPapa

          Completely agree, and I don’t expect you to agree with me, but you just keep shouting through your posts because I disagree. You stated nothing that I accept as fact, sorry, but I respect that they are your opinions. If Dish buys T-Mobile and they fail, I am holding you personally responsible. Just kidding Klaus, just kidding.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Papa, you seem like a nice guy with whom I have no personal quarrel. It just seems that you want to hold Dish responsible for the flop that was Blockbuster, and it simply wasn’t them.

          :-) Hold me accountable! I respect your opinions; however in my view it’s just plain wrong to pin the blame on Dish.

          On an unrelated note, I don’t work for Dish. I have T-Mobile for wireless and Dish for television, and I see tremendous opportunity for a formidable competitor to AT&T and Verizon. I believe Dish is that key. (Hence my profile image.)

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          By the way… way to go by disassociating yourself with that asinine comment from before. I know admitting when you’re wrong is hard, but at least you had the sense to step down from that absurdity. How you managed to get Disqus to do that is beyond me.

        • ProudPapa

          I was trying to delete the thread, not realizing I could not since I have never tried before, because I didn’t want others to have to read your crap. I wasn’t wrong about anything, and the only thing absurd is that you came back to this thread, 20 hours after the last message, just to try and troll some more. That’s absurdity. Good grief.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Haha! :-) I’m not a troll, but it seems like you’re just desperate to rewrite history. I know it’s you who keeps downvoting virtually everything I post, and that’s fine. It doesn’t bother me. I just think you’d benefit from some outside research and not clinging on to a deluded notion of truth.

          If you wonder why I am so inclined to take my valuable time and respond, the reason is this: a claim like yours is like saying that T-Mobile is responsible for the downfall of metroPCS.

          A: It’s untrue. PCS has grown under TMUS.

          B: It’s historically inaccurate. The two companies have been apart until 2012.

          C: It’s indefensible. You would have no proof to defend such a claim, yet everything I’ve said is verifiable.

          Now, I’m not looking to get the last word or preach. But falsehoods like yours are how rumors start, and the world needs far less of those.

        • ProudPapa

          The only thing they have left of Blockbuster is streaming, which they already had before Blockbuster. As stated before, nobody goes to Dish because of the Blockbuster name. Why are you taking this so personally? You must have some vested interest besides just casual conversation like the rest of us are having. I am only responding because you keep making this a personal attack on my character, and I do not appreciate that at all.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          I never attacked your character; quite the opposite, I said you seemed like a nice guy. I solely find fault with your argument. Also, I never said that anyone would switch to Dish because of Blockbuster. All it is is intellectual property that they recognized as having inherent value.

        • PublicKnowledge

          Dish purchased Blockbuster for their video libraries, licenses and more. It was a smart business move. The brand name itself wasn’t the reason for the purchase but rather what they still owned that would compliment the Dish business. Do your research before commenting “Guest”

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Absolutely right. “Guest” is Proud papa, by the way.

  • UMA_Fan

    If anything tmobile should buy Dish. The thing is I don’t think Dish’s spectrum is all that beneficial to Tmobile. They’ve also pretty much said if they’re going to buy spectrum they want it to be low band. Also T-Mobile US would have the upper hand in any sort of merger discussion. They’re booming right now. Integrating Dish services seems like more trouble than its worth. Mobile is where everything is at. Residential services would be a regression for T-Mobile.

    • SouthernBlackNerd

      DT still seems like they want to get out of the US market. Dish is going to have to pay a pretty penny to get TMobile, but It is still a better deal with a Network Access deal with the other carriers. A network access deal with end up costing the same price as Tmobile over a 10 year prior, and after that Dish would be forced to reup with that carrier on that carriers terms. It is not like they can up and leave, if they do, then they will get hit with fines for not meeting built out requirements as soon as that carrier turns off their network.

      Buy Tmobile would be the smarter plan, but the real problem here is that Dish is trying to buy LS. With LS, they would have 80Mhz+ of spectrum and add that to Tmobile’s 70-80Mhz of spectrum and you got the carrier with the largest spectrum holdings( at least by current FCC rulings). This could give them problems if they want to participate in future auctions, plus We already know what it was like for Tmobile to get devices with specialty bands on them.

      • KlausWillSeeYouNow

        I thought the LightSquared thing already fell through…

        • SouthernBlackNerd

          DISH’s plan is to disaggregate their current spectrum holdings and LS’s holdings and combine their upper portion of the S-band as downlink with 20Mhz of LS for uplink. This allows them to get around the problem of interference as well as their power limitations of the lower portion of the S-band.

      • UMA_Fan

        This is why I believe the game is who is going to control the combined Tmobile/sprint. If you combine their customer bases the whole specialty devices argument doesn’t matter anymore. Also I really doubt DT is trying to get out of the US. That argument is the LEAST effective now. If Tmobile US performs as they have been at this rate for a few more quarters they could easily overtake Sprint in 2015. DT would have controlling stake in the third largest mobile telecom in the US. Tmobile having a solid hspa+ network for many years is only benefitting from that NOW. They had a stigma attached to them from the days they were the last to nationwide 3G. Its now that that perception has finally been overcome. Sprint on the other hand… Even if they have a solid LTE network at the end of 2014 it will literally take a few years for them to overcome their poor network perception. Meanwhile the majority of sprint LTE customers are on devices that won’t take advantage of the new LTE spectrum anyway.

        Remember it can be argued Tmobile deserved to be sold when at&t agreed to buy them. They were dead in the water with little spectrum and were under performing. But DT still played hard ball and got them to agree to pay triple their current market worth and the highest break up fee relative to purchase price in history. What’s Dish going to offer when Tmobile is the best performing operator in the US right now?

        • SouthernBlackNerd

          I disagree with the idea that DT does not want to leave. IMO, all this uncannier has done has hyped up TMUS and pumped up their share price. The fact is that DT is sacrificing profits and ARPU( Tmobile’s arpu is down almost 4 dollars from last year alone) to boost subscriber numbers and get people talking.

          Sorry, but I do not buy that Sprint is getting overtake. Sprint lost a ton of customers because of Nextel for one quarter( which was known prior), but since then their losses have dropped to less than what TMUS was losing prior to their merger. Sprint is going to be going on an upswing next year, especially as they complete their LTE network and launch Spark. Not only that, but they have already hinted at a new price structure coming in q4. The iPhone continues to be a major device for bringing in new customers( 40% of iPhones sold are to new customers). The biggest reason is 800Mhz. Sprint has said they are going to be launching 800Mhz next quarter. We have not even had the 600Mhz auction yet. That 800Mhz advantage is going to cost TMUS customers. Perception changes quickly, especially if Sprint starts taking awards for fastest network and posts commercials about them. Spark is Sprint’s way of rebranding it’s new network like TMUS has done with uncarrier.

        • UMA_Fan

          You REALLY don’t think tmobile knew what they were getting into by switching to a non phone subsidy model? Of course arpu is down. 800mhz is only going to do so much for Sprint. Remember the big disadvantage to low band spectrum is capacity and its not like voice travels through it. Its crazy to think as soon as Sprint launches 800mhz phones its a wrap. No. They still have people on wimax phones for crying out loud.

        • SouthernBlackNerd

          I never said they did not know. I think DT did not care, since they are not going to be around, when investors realize profits are down because of uncannier losing stream. Tmobile already has the lowest ARPU of the big four.

          Lower band and upper band have no difference in capacity. 20Mhz of LTE will handle the same amount of users in the 700Mhz region as it will in the AWS region. The capacity advantage comes with having more cell towers, because of weaker propagation as well as the need for smaller antennas. And Sprint will have 1 1xA channel on 800mhz for voice.

          800Mhz puts Sprint onto the same level as Vz or ATT. Sprint’s service in cities with 800Mhz will likely be on par with ATT/Vz. TMUS has not changed their plan to rollout with LTE across their current HSPA+ network and leave their 2G areas up until they get lower band spectrum. This will give Sprint time, since Sprint is rolling out with LTE on 1900Mhz on all their towers and 800Mhz of 80% of towers. TMUS current HSPA+ network covers 225 million POPs, while Sprint’s network covers 276 Million POPs.

        • Bklynman

          If Sprint really wants to leave TMO in the dust,leap ahead of
          Att/Vz. I havenot gone to there site findout all the details,
          new $65.000 amonth plan,change over there phones to
          sim phones,see how many people jump ship.

        • PublicKnowledge

          It may very well be true that Sprint covers 276 million POPs but how long have they been launching LTE? 2 freaking years now. When did TMUS start? 9 months ago and they’ve quickly covered 225 million POPs. So I see no stopping TMUS to setting new goals and surpassing those as well just as they have with their LTE POP coverage. Maybe you should go start your own Sprint worship news blog since you obviously are a SprintBank supporter rather than a TMUS.

        • maximus1901

          TMUS has 203 million with LTE. And they’ve planned to cover 225 million with LTE in 2014. Lookup their quarter 3 investor presentation.

        • SouthernBlackNerd

          Sprint is building a brand new network from the ground up. Everything but the tower structure itself is getting changed, so it is going to take a longer time, plus TMUS has been working on their LTE launch for a couple years. What do you think the refarming of PCS was about. They upgrade towers, so that they only had to add new antennas and channel cards to launch LTE, which is why it seems faster and of course they had backhaul ready.

          The problem is that the rest of their network outside HSPA+ is 2G, which means they would be in a similar position as Sprint, stuck waiting on backhaul vendors to provide backhaul. Sprint already has 26,000 towers with NV equipment, but not 100% of those sites have backhaul, so they have not launched LTE.

          Just because I do not drink the magenta kook-aid does not mean I do not support TMUS. I just like basing my opinion on little things called facts.

        • maximus1901

          Voivce does travel through it. Sprint is running:
          one 1xA 1.25 MHz FDD CDMA voice and 5MHz FDD LTE (or 3MHz in Southerlinc areas)

        • PublicKnowledge

          Sprint will definitely lose their 3rd place crown soon to TMUS. Sprint is known for having the absolute worst data speeds (3G, so-called 4G (WiMax) and LTE) as well as horrible reception with I would venture to say 40-50% dropped calls overall. Over 10 years I have always heard nothing but bad about Sprint and it will never change. They can launch Spark all they want but look at about 80% of their LTE devices already on the network won’t be able to access the network. Some people might go buy new devices just to access this theoretically faster network only to be disappointed. Sprint does NOT have the backhaul to support even 20% of their customer base and keep a constant good average speed up/down for LTE. T-Mobile on the other hand has launched LTE at rapid speeds and their backhaul is great and their hardware is the latest and greatest and they will practically flip a switch when ready to enable LTE-Advanced. TMUS is where it’s at.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          AMEN! I agree with you 1000%. Sprint is widely regarded as the joke of the wireless industry.

          Sprint… The No Network

        • SouthernBlackNerd

          You just made up half of this stuff. 40-50% drop call? what does that even mean? Are you saying 40-50% of all calls are dropped? Do you not see how asinine that even sounds?

          People had to buy new Tmobile devices to get LTE and when Tmobile buys 600Mhz, their customers will have to buy new phones to use that network. There is not such thing as a future proof phone.

          Sprint does not launch LTE without proper backhaul in place, which is why they have been dealing with delays, but even with the delays, they will pass TMUS and cover their entire network in LTE, while TMUS is only sticking to urban areas until the 600Mhz auction is complete.

          Att, Sprint, and Tmobile can “flip a switch” and enable LTE-Advanced. Take off the magenta colored glasses. Tmobile is in a great position to compete now, but what do you think is going to happen once Spark is complete? Sprint’s lab tests showed 220+Mbps with just 20+20 of their TD-LTE carriers and they have said that will launch in 2014.

          If TMUS had done these things two years ago, they would have taken Sprint’s crown, but, imo, they are too late now. Their is still a chance if they upgrade their 2G network and buy USCC. The boost in coverage should allow them to get closer to Sprint.

      • PublicKnowledge

        Because T-Mobile and Dish market share and values are neck and neck then I doubt Dish could make a viable enough offer for DT to consider. T-Mobile is soaring right now and I’m certain by the end of the 1st quarter of 2014 they may add $2 billion in market share on top of the public offering they’ve just announced. This in turn means they will become even more valuable than Dish. If anything T-Mobile would be in the position to offer to buy up Dish but doubt they would. They should just offer to buy up any low band spectrum possible and then do a partnership for mobile TV.

  • Bklynman

    If Dish wants in so bad in the mobile/cell phone game,why don’they just start there
    own cell phone company If they did buy Tmo,I am guessing too that Metro would be
    part of the deal too? That means for me either Pure Talk,Staight Talk,or Sprint for me. At with Sprint I know Softbank will pour money into there network,in every
    Sprint store(at least in NYC)they have techs in every store if you have problems with your phone.

    • KlausWillSeeYouNow

      That’s ridiculous. A new carrier would gain absolutely no momentum. Let’s keep the conversation productive.

      • Bklynman

        Oh really? Last cell pone compan to launch with real stores has over 10 millions paying customers,that is Metro Pcs. Another ever
        come about I am sure just as well,if not better since the s a lot better than before,like you stated Dish has everything they need.
        Expect handsets and store,I don’t think it would take them that long
        get them up and running.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          I respect your opinion, but I disagree. That wasn’t recently. I’m talking about today. The market is already oversaturated, and a new player would fail miserably. Not to mention the matter of network – unless they went the route of MVNO, which is never profitable by itself.

  • steveb944

    I think this would help the T-Mobile brand. 1. We get rid of the rich uncle in Europe. 2. Packages for satellite and phone service?

    • KlausWillSeeYouNow

      Agreed. It could aid with rural expansion.

      • dkbnyc

        T-Mobile has never been interested in rural expansion.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          They may be now, with new leadership.

        • dkbnyc

          What new leadership? T-Mobile is in the best place it can be. A T-Mobile/Dish deal will never happen.

        • KlausWillSeeYouNow

          Sounds like someone is in denial. Were you the same person who was claiming 10 years ago that triple-play deals and bundles would be irrelevant? Welcome back.

        • maximus1901

          Cause it doesn’t have sub 1 GHz spectrum

  • Glad I Left CA

    I think you guys are missing it.

    Mobile television over the LTE network! Adding the spectrum that they have! Improved coverage, speed, and added features!!!

    Dish has a crud TON of spectrum, AND they have agreements with all the television companies! They want to get into the mobile market. Their television market would stay separate, or be bundled like ATT does. It is a WIN/WIN!

    Bring it! Bring it!

    • KlausWillSeeYouNow

      Dish is bold. I agree. I think this is exactly the kind of thing that could happen. And I’m willing to bet it will happen.

    • maximus1901

      Why would the coverage improve? Dish has 2GHz and supplemental downlink Band 29 700 MHz. That’s not gonna get TMO coverage.
      It looks like it’s gonna buy Band 12 A-block from Verizon. THAT would get it coverage.

  • Eric

    Or T-Mobile could easily buy the spectrum from Dish and use it.

  • vrm

    Only thing dish has that t-mobile needs is AWS spectrum ( and some 700 Mhz). They have no backhaul ( satellite ?!), pay TV is dead. T-mobile can simply buy that spectrum and bid goodbye.

    They will bring back two year contracts with intent to plunder customers after tying them down.

  • landmarkcm

    Dish poor taste in advertising alone makes me not like them with those stupid hopper commercials. Lol we don’t need to see a guy on the hopper! Poor taste. Let Tmobile thrive on it’s own like it is starting to do! & soon hopefully it will overtake Sprint as the number 3 carrier!

    • KlausWillSeeYouNow

      I COMPLETELY disagree. T-Mobile and Dish would be better positioned than any other competitor to rule the wireless market.

      • Stone Cold

        Not a fan of DISH but if it is a spectrum grab I could see T-mobile agreeing to a partnership or merger.

  • FILA

    That T-Mobile/ATT buyout was a secret plan by T-Mobile. T knew exactly what it was doing, they knew the deal wouldnt go through, but they played it well and acted like they wanted it, but they never did. They wanted the trade off deal they worked out, the 3 billion cash, the roaming spectrum. That may not come out till years from now, but I honestly believe that

  • vinnyjr

    I like the way T-Mobile is going, Really like the way Mr Legere has T-Mobile focused. Never has T-Mobile stocks been higher, never has T-Mobile accomplished so much so fast. Loving T-Mobile and more important Mr Legere is a cowboy and I like it.

    • PublicKnowledge

      T-Mobile was never publicly traded until they merged with MetroPCS. So yeah of course their stock has never been higher because it has never been publicly traded until this year.

      • htconefan

        I think he’s reverting to the time when T-Mobile was under DT and the stock price was around $17 and below.

  • macman37

    At this point in time, I believe that T-Mobile consumers would be better serviced if they took a raincheck on this possibility until they have acquired enough 600 Mhz spectrum from the upcoming auction. Right now, the last thing their subscribers would want is to go through another process of a failed acquisition unless T-Mobile knew that they could get some benefits from it. The benefits of this proposed acquisition even if there’s some benefit to T-Mobile if it fails would be best played out another few years.

  • Todd

    It wouldn’t really be a buy out. It would be a merger. The companies have almost the same market cap. Dish has around 23 bil, and TMO has around 18 bil. Both companies would keep doing their own thing for the most part though. It would be similar to the ton of other mergers that you see, like with Time Warner. They own TBS, HBO, CNN, New Line Cinema, AOL, etc…. Just because companies merge, doesn’t mean one has to go away. Seems like a lot of people have that mindset on this site.

    However, both companies could benefit. First, you have economies of scale. This helps save both companies money. Second, of course, is that Dish has a ton of spectrum for TMO to use. Third, Dish has agreements with every major network, allowing broadcast over the TMO network. Fourth, by bundling Dish and TMO deals, this would help bring subscribers to both brands.