T-Mobile Says 2×10 MHz Coming to 90% Of Top 25 Markets By End Of Year

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We know T-Mobile is working hard and fast to do as much with their LTE network before year’s end which makes a new report unsurprising, but welcome. According to Light Reading, T-Mobile is ready to upgrade its 4G LTE market to 2x10MHz service in 90% of the top 25 market by the end of 2013. So David, what does that mean? Well, a good part of T-Mobile’s markets are 2x5MHz channels which in simple terms means slightly less speed. There’s a whole technical back story but just know that 2×10 > 2×5.

In an image posted on Twitter, T-Mobile’s CEO called out the competition by saying “Let’s see others run this fast” with screenshots of 60Mbit/s speed tests. T-Mobile acknowledged that some areas of New York City are lighting up the wider channel. “For testing purposes… we have been briefly deploying and testing 10+10 MHz of LTE in a few areas of the city,” the spokesperson wrote Light Reading in an email.

During these tests, T-Mobile “took down” it’s HSPA+ 42Mbps network and bumped it back to HSPA+ 21Mbps and then restored it right after the tests.

“In these areas during brief testing windows we have taken HSPA+ 42 to HSPA+ 21 — and then restored HSPA+ 42 after the tests.”

T-Mobile plans to update NYC to 2×10 by the end of this year, in addition to its HSPA+ 42Mbps network. As for the rest of the nation, the company plans on deploying 10+10 MHz of LTE in 90 percent of the top 25 markets by the end of 2013.

“Nationwide, we plan to deploy 10+10 MHz of LTE in 90 percent of the top 25 markets by the end of the year,” the spokesperson notes.

I want to go fast.

Light Reading

 

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  • http://www.kdmstance.com BiGMERF

    again work on spreading hspa+ coverage and normal LTE or how about providing service in areas with no sevice? what a concept .. Stop improving on areas with already great signal. Just My Opinion

    • Noor Mahmoud

      That isn’t that easy to do. They need more spectrum to increase coverage, so they are currently just making things better for current customers. Also, being selfish, considering I live in one of those markets, I welcome the improvement.

      • TheCudder

        Will the spectrum gain from MetroPCS help current TMo customers at all? I’m not sure what plans are being made since MetroPCS uses CDMA, unlike TMo.

        • J-Hop2o6

          Read this article. This (10×10 LTE [74mbps] AND 10×10 HSPA+ [42mbps] equaling 40MHz of AWS) is possible with more spectrum from MetroPCS. If Tmo only had 30MHz in NY, then Tmo right now will only do 5×5 LTE [37mbps] and 10×10 HSPA+ [42mbps].

          More spectrum in a band gives you more breathing room (and more possible speed) to do things like this article is talking about.

        • Trevnerdio

          Wow, so LTE does close to double the rate in the same amount of bandwidth. Impressive.

    • Steve Brea

      Yes I totally agree, T-Mobile should focus on areas with no service. I’ve been in lots of places where my AT&T friends have full signal, but I, at T-Mobile have nothing.

      • beefcake

        Move to Cricket..problem solved!

    • Nate442

      sometimes increasing high-speed coverage is not worth the investment. Invest in a $10 mill tower to cover 20 more people? Put the tower when you can cover 1000 people 24/7

      • Adrayven

        You make it sound so easy.. yet, have no clue what goes into just getting approval for a tower.. much less the fact that t-mobile can;t just start broadcasting on any’ol spectrum they choose.

        Most local towns put up a BIG stink about where towers go.. it often takes YEARS for agreements to get laid, assuming some of the locals don’t go out of their way to block a tower because they think it will be a blight/ugly..

        Not kidding. T-Mobile has been known to have to make their towers look like trees and other non-tower like objects just to get it in.

        Then there is the lack of spectrum in the area’s you say cover 1000 people is simply not available.. no matter how much people whine about it. Just because you get Edge or GPS service doesn’t mean they have the bandwidth to add HSPA or LTE.

        • Michael Perez

          Why do you speak as if towers are simply owned by one entity? Towers contain multiple radios and multiple providers on different heights of that tower with shared space for rent down below to whomever owns that tower. If they current have GPRS/EDGE in certain areas then it does not take much to upgrade the equipment. Some towers are also fed through a wireless backhaul which can provide for at minimum HSPA 21. Spectrum is more than likely the real reason for the problems however the majority of that spectrum was for the west coast based on the data from the merger. So if any improvements do happen I would expect them to be in Cali.

      • beefcake

        Then go to ATT and Verizon..problem solved!

      • samsavoy

        The towers are already there. It’s called colocation. American Tower, Crown Castle, SBA Sites….it’s not like T-Mobile has to put up a tower. They’re already there. Not only that, but so is the fiber. There are tons of sites in my area where VZW/AT&T/Sprint have fiber running to their sites…which are on the same physical towers as T-Mobile EDGE.

    • rfgenerator

      T-Mobile’s management team have made it quite clear that they have NO plans to upgrade the suburban/rural areas that are currently EDGE/GPRS. They are a niche player who are basically only interested in folks who are in metropolitan areas.

      • Jose Hernandez

        You are partially correct. For the near future T-Mobile does not have any plans to upgrade edge areas due to infrastructure and spectrum issues.

        This does not work for you, then use another carrier.

        Problem solved. Crying about it here every day is not gonna change that.

        • Mirad77

          What are you? The devil’s advocate? This is a blog and it gives room for everyone to say what they think on whatever topic is on. If someone complains which we all have the liberty to, so be it. Vote down if you don’t like or vote up if you like and move on.
          You’ve spent a lot of time replying to people complaining, do you work for TMUS? I don’t think you pay anyone’s bill so STFU.

        • g2a5b0e

          Why all the venom? Everything he is said is completely right. This is a forum & of course you’re allowed to state your opinion, but stating the change you want on here everyday isn’t gonna get it done. If T-Mobile doesn’t have what you’re looking for (that was a general “you” & not you in particular), the smart course of action is to take your business elsewhere. No need for all the attitude, guy.

        • Mirad77

          I understand that but he has taken it to reply almost everyone that complains to change carrier. Some only have places like this to let it out with those they share common interest and all he does is remind them of” cooperate is the big guy and you can’t win”.

        • g2a5b0e

          I don’t think that’s what he meant. A forum isn’t the best place to ask T-Mobile put up more towers or ask for upgraded service. I think he was trying to say that those folks should be calling or writing e-mails or letters to T-Mobile.

        • Jose Hernandez

          That was my point. There is nothing we can do about those issues here. Those should always be directed to the service provider.

        • Mirad77

          My point is to let them voice whatever gets at them by carriers. Neither me nor you should tell them where they can and can’t do as that will not stop them. I check on this blog multiple times a day and read from many, some you ignore and reply to those you have interest in.

        • Jose Hernandez

          I never said that, I said take it to them directly. It gets old when every article in this site has the same complaints over and over. Sometimes the article has nothing to do with coverage or service and the same people still post the same complaints over and over. If you want things to change, let T-Mobile know. We all know this already, posting about it on every single article is a bit much

        • Mirad77

          Some have to no avail and the last place for them is blogs like this.

        • TmoSamsungMan

          You gotta understand, it gets to the point where is just enough. I’ve worked for every cell phone company doing customer service and people cry about the stupidest Shiout. I’ve also had every provider but Verizon cause there expensive and only use cdma witch is a no go for me cause I travel over seas alot. One thing that gets too me is people crying overt stupid shhht. Do you know how it is to live in a 3rd world country? People live and eat out the garbage for Christ sake cause they have no option. We have all the opportunities and choices that we want here so there’s no need to complain about the same thing over & over again. If it doesn’t work for you get another carrier and move on contries like Cuba don’t even have a private cell company it’s controlled by the government. So there be great full to have a choice and don’t complain. Complaining’s the worse.

        • Mirad77

          I like tha fact that you said Cuba. There is no freedom out there like here. And I know A lot more of African n ations that you can imagine.

        • Mirad77

          I’ve read post from you but don’t remember you tell others to go else where.

        • Jose Hernandez

          At least my comments were respectful.

        • Mirad77

          Your comments were not any respectful than mine. Someone voice their concern and you tell them to go away. How respectfull is that? i Thought we had freedom of speech.

        • Mr.obama

          With the fascist American people in power? Yeah right! Tell that to snowden.

        • Mirad77

          Let’s not talk about what we don’t . Snowden had a contractual agreement not to speak about certain things.

        • Jose Hernandez

          You have freedom of speech, so do I. I asked people to go directly to T-Mobile with their complaints as opposed to posting them on a fan site.

          You told me to STFU because you did not like what I said. Who is trying to silence people here then?

        • Mirad77

          You see my wrong doing in telling you to stfu but you don’t see yours in telling others to go away. You think they don’t know this isn’t t-mobile ?

        • TmoSamsungMan

          Oh ok, so here’s my down vote for you! So how bout you STFU and also GTFO while your at it.

        • Mirad77

          Thanks for the vote. Freedom of speech, you have the right to let it out. it helps.

      • abayne5

        Not true……they have stated that they are currently upgrading 37,000 of their 52,000 towers to at least HSPA+ 21

        • keasycase

          That 71% of there network it pretty good for a 4 place company

      • Yancy

        Wrong, T-Mobile is currently updating all older equipment including edge areas to new equipment as part of their network modernization. This doesnt mean that it will be upgraded to 4G but it will improve the reliability. They also are expanding HSPA+ ive been watching the coverage map and they are expanding and widening their 3g/4g footprint in a lot of areas particularly in parts of Utah. It takes time but it will happen!

      • PiCASSiMO

        Hmmm… guess area’s of Chicago’s O’Hare airport are also off the plans for upgrades where EDGE/GPRS or even NO SERVICE exists.

    • http://www.jeffkibuule.com Jeff Kibuule

      You’re not likely to see rural areas improve until T-Mobile gets 600Mhz spectrum.

    • Brandon

      If a surrounding area gets LTE then markets within about 30 miles that previously had EDGE will now have LTE, which will then give them time to convert the EDGE tower into either HSPA or another LTE tower.

    • PiCASSiMO

      I’m with you. Too many areas just outside of metro-Chicago (NW Suburbs) that I get everything from HSPA to 3G to Edge to sometimes NO SERVICE. Really annoying especially when I’m streaming music on my unlimited plan, which is more limited that I’d like.

      • PiCASSiMO

        To add… I have a few co-workers who have switched from AT&T to save money with T-Mobile and they are saying this was the biggest mistake they ever made. Dropped calls, spotty internet service, and customer service that doesn’t speak English

  • http://twitter.com/SParKlngCyaNide SparklingCyanide

    Excellent news! Already love my 35Mbps I get regularly w/ T-Mobile LTE, I look forward to 10×10 coverage before the end of the year. :D

  • cowboys901

    What are the top 25

  • sushimane

    finally some news lol i been checking tmonews for last couple of days lol. hopefully boston is one of the top 25 cities.

    • JJCommonSense

      Glad to know I’m not the only junkie! LOL

      • cozmonaught

        I thought david was closing the site down I almost had a heart attack!

  • bydavidrosen

    i’m sure plenty of other people will say this but who cares how fast it is if we have no signal in the first place? hspa+ is more than fast enough when i have signal. sure it’ll be fun when my next phone has LTE but i want more coverage first.

    • Adrayven

      Coverage is a concern. I just hope the refarm puts them in a place to get HSPA+ in edge areas since it’s 1900MHz band.. I know.. dreaming.

      • bydavidrosen

        i’m dreaming with you buddy haha. there’s something about being with a company for 8 years that makes me not want to switch… but it’s so hard when everyone around me has signal and i don’t. or i have edge, which is useless for data which is all we use phones for nowadays haha.

      • keasycase

        I think they will refarm as much as possible… In certain places like north/south dokata and Montana… T-Mobile has 5 maybe if lucky 10 mhz of pcs 1900 mhz spectrum

    • Brandon

      I have HSPA+ at home and LTE at my job, the speeds are about the same.

  • TmoSamsungMan

    DAMN!!!! I wanted to say:” I know I know they need to work on blah blah blah first before they even think about blah blah blah. ” It’s always the same whining, if the service doesn’t work for you then just get freaking Verizon and stop complaining! Simple as that. Now for what I wanted to comment. This is cool regardless of how stressful nyc can be to live in sometimes but it’s still got its benefits. I can’t wait till things settle down and I can enjoy those crazy speeds.

    • Jose Hernandez

      Some of those crying about this are paid AT&T/Verizon leaches. They get paid to do just that.

      Any reasonable person who has bad service would do the sensible thing and go to another carrier.

      Not hang around here crying about it and such.

      • TmoSamsungMan

        True.

      • Trevnerdio

        Even if they are, they’re still correct in what they’re saying. We should upgrade urban areas to 2x10MHz and then work on the outlying areas. Don’t go too rural, just commonly visited places that don’t have coverage.

        • Jose Hernandez

          That is a good idea.

  • rob

    This will give TMO a strong marketing weapon against the competition, which should bring in more subscribers, which would generate more revenue and open the choice of spreading into rural area’s. So no need to complain about coverage as its the next big target for TMo now that the iPhone & churn issues are controllable. 2G/3G/1900mz refarms are also still going on too.

  • JaswinderSinghJammu

    What are top 25 markets for T Mobile?

  • Jay J. Blanco

    Awesome but I don’t think I’m In the top 25 markets. But I’m still going to have lte so I’m happy

  • Aurizen

    I cant wait! I hope to get this in philly! 10+10 MHz or 2 x 10? or is it the same?

    • TmoSamsungMan

      It’s the same he just put it that way but he meant Ten by Ten in his post.

      • Aurizen

        oh cool, thanks! this is great! I hope philly get this soon.

    • keasycase

      Yes Philly needs to be one of the 1st lol… Number 5 most populated city in the US :-)

      • Aurizen

        yeah I wonder when they’ll start doing upgrading it.

        • keasycase

          Probably September

    • Brandon

      I hope so too, so I can take advantage of it in Mount Laurel, NJ! I already get LTE here either from Deptford, NJ or from Philly. Still don’t have it down in Vineland, NJ though :-/

  • kev2684

    Jacksonville, FL is 2x10mhz right now but i think they’re holding down the current max download speed at 40mbps to make it look like it is 2×5. my highest DL/UL so far is 37.60mbps/24.82mbps respectively with an average of 37-ish ping.

    • Trevnerdio

      Well, the max is 37mbps for 5×5 so that’s definitely 10×10 :D if you have a Samsung phone, dial *#0011# and press device information. Let us know what the LTE DL BW is!

      • kev2684

        it is 10. it has been since initial launch late june. however the LTE coverage didn’t improve since it was launched. it’s still not as extensive as their “4G” HSPA+42 coverage in the entire city. it seems that no additional towers were lit since the first round of towers were up.

        • Trevnerdio

          We still need to get the word around though on the code. That’ll give a better idea of where 10×10 is and everything.

    • Rudy Belova

      I think they do the same thing here in san diego. I get the same speeds as you.

  • JayInCA

    Here’s a list from the FCC (from 2003) of the top 100 cellular markets.

    http://cellphoneforums.net/alt-cellular-cingular/t87328-top-100-cellular-markets.html#axzz2aZC7GjUj

  • rfgenerator

    Looks like they are going to continue their pattern of repaving a road that was just repaved in the recent past, leaving those of us not in a Top 25 market with the usual EDGE/GPRS. After being with T-Mobile pretty much since 2004, I’m moving in two weeks to AT&T. Yes it will cost more $$, but at least I won’t be having as many “Oh crap” moments when I realize I can’t do anything on my Smartphone because I have GPRS or EDGE service.

    • Jose Hernandez

      So why are you here complaining?
      Good luck with AT&T.
      And please, stop complaining here.

      • Ben Jammin’

        I love T-Mobile as much as the next guy, but seriously, how many people do you think go to the T-Mobile website, look at the coverage map, compare it to other carriers and make their decisions based on that.

        The fact is, people in this country don’t care how “low cost” something is. If they “think” they’re getting a premium service (it doesn’t matter if they’re not), they’ll pay a premium price. That’s why AT&T and Verizon are able to charge out the wazoo for service.

        Complaining is a way to get T-Mobile to change. Without the complainers, we’ll be stuck with 100Mbps service in cities and 400kbps service outside of cities.

        • Jose Hernandez

          You are 100% right. However, the complaints need to go to T-Mobile themselves. They need to be called in or posted on T-Mobile’s website. Not here. This site is by fans for fans of the carrier, complaining here will not do anyone any good.

        • Ben Jammin’

          Good point. Tweet it directly to the CEO on Twitter ;)

        • lifeisgr84all

          Perhaps you guys dont know that CEO is a regular visitor of TMONEWS and a big fan of David, so do complain here if there is any and let others complain too as we all enjoy T-mobile service as best service is yet to come :)

        • Metro PCS

          You mean when he is not Jogging or driving his Ferrari California or His Yellow Lambo?

        • Trevnerdio

          Ferrari California…lol one of the rarest cars in the world. Right, he has one of those.

        • du22ty

          This is a bit off topic but they actually make over 6,000 Ferrari California’s a year. Not sure why you think it’s one of the rarest cars in the world.

        • Trevnerdio

          Sorry, I’m thinking of a vintage, limited production California.

        • MetroPCS

          yeah a new Black One Not Ferrises red one

        • Trevnerdio

          Lol that’s what I was thinking of. And one from Top Gear U.K. that James May got to drive…it was something like a 1-in-9 classic Ferrari.

        • TmoSamsungMan

          !!!!! THANK YOU!!!! And well said!

        • rfgenerator

          Sorry, I didn’t get the memo that only “fanboys” like yourself were permitted to post. BTW, anybody that is a “fan” of a large corporation needs to have their head examined. One picks a corporations to provide a service based on it meeting a customer’s needs. For years when I primarily used my phone as a phone, T-Mobile met those needs, unfortunately they have not upgraded their data service enough to retain my business. In a couple years I will definitely re-evaluate T-Mobile and if their network has improved and their pricing will save me money, then I may again become a T-Mobile customer.

        • Jose Hernandez

          Well, fan boy I may or may not be. My point still stands, you said it yourself, T-Mobile no longer meets your needs and you are moving on to a carrier that does. Again good for you. But that still does not explain why you continue to post here with complaints we have nothing to do with. T-MOBILE does need to work on their network, nobody can deny that, you need to let them know where they should work on it, you go right ahead. Using the proper channels. And that is not here.

        • rfgenerator

          I think a reasonable case can be made that not only are you a “fanboy” but you are on the payroll of T-Mobile Jose. Talk like “use the proper channels” is a dead giveaway.

        • Jose Hernandez

          Not a T-Mobile worker. Sorry to disappoint. If you think I am a fanboy, again that’s fine. You don’t agree with what I am saying so you resort to name calling?

          What good comes from people always posting the same issues with coverage here? that’s all Im saying.

          Moving on now.

        • william43

          If you think John doesn’t stop by and read the comments, I think you’re mistaken.

        • Trevnerdio

          400kbps would imply UMTS 3G lol we wish! More like 50kbps

      • RobotChupacabra

        I agree with him, though. I love T-Mo, but seriously, they need to start upgrading their remaining service regions to at least HSPA+. Until they do, they’re limiting their growth potential.

        • Jose Hernandez

          Agreed, but like it has been said here a ton of times before. This is not something that is going to happen any time soon. And complaining about it here is pointless. The complaints must be made with T-Mobile directly.

        • Rudy Belova

          It didn’t help that D.T. was clearly not dedicated to the american market. They did the bare minimum in order to sell the company. Metro markets and ignore the rest.

          I hope the metropcs influence gets more rural 3g/hspa+.

    • AnonymousPoster

      I know just were you are coming from.
      In 2010 I moved to an area that only had 2G Edge & in some cases GPRS coverage. T-Mobile kept promising that it would be in 4G H+ by the fall of that year, then was told by the end of 2010, then in the spring of 2011.

      Finally, as my year’s lease was almost up, they rolled out H+ in that area. It’s a slow build out, but they are inching closer & closer to build just outside of the metro areas.

      As for AT&T, I have their $60 smartphone pre-paid GoPhone plan on my 2013 HTC One. Unlimited Talk & Text plus 2GB of LTE data. It’s not as expensive as a contract would be for the same plan at $100. And I still have my new HTC One on T-Mobile as well, but, I need the 2nd phone when T-Mobile has dead spots in town & when business travel puts me out of the metro area.

      I hope T-Mobile hurries up and converts us over to LTE in this city. They aren’t the last to the LTE party, Sprint still doesn’t even have LTE in the state here, only WiMAX. lol

      • Trevnerdio

        HSPA+ came out in 2010…and only in Philadelphia. So the dates are probably a little closer than you’re speaking of.

      • Nick

        So, did you bring the htc one over from tmo, or buy it from at&t? I was thinking about unlocking my l9 and using that plan, but at the very end of the sim card details on their website, it said there is like an extra $20 fee per month or something since you arent using an at&t phone. Could anybody confirm/clear this up for me?

    • Guest

      Good luck buddy. Don’t worry you’ll be back.

      • rfgenerator

        In the short run I would say not likely. I’ve been test running the $60 AT&T Prepaid package (2GB data, unlimited talk & text) and the coverage difference between AT&T and T-Mobile is like night and day in my area (Central Massachusetts). I’ve yet to see EDGE while having the AT&T Sim Card in my Nexus 4, unlike with T-Mobile where there are a half dozen areas between my home and work that have 2G coverage only.

    • Bklynman

      Why go with Att? Why not with Pure Talk? They run on Att.towers.
      There top plan is $45.00 smooth with 1 gib of data,unlimited talk and text.
      If I leave Tm,that where I would go.

  • milanyc

    I’ve visited that T-Mobile site in NYC and maxed out the entire 10Mhz LTE sector which caps at 73.6Mbps btw, and really without breaking a sweat. http://i.imgur.com/yKMynV8.png

    The site is still mounted on top of Chelsea Piers on 11th Ave and 21st St: http://i.imgur.com/1QqGSdI.jpg but it’s back to 2x5Mhz. They’ve used a portion of HSPA+42 spectrum which they’ve downgrade to HSPA+21 for testing purposes.

    Everything is back to normal now… 2x5Mhz and HSPA+42.

    • Trevnerdio

      If the max is 73.6…there’s no way in hell you got 73.55 lol

      • milanyc

        73.6Mbps is actually peak real world download rate.
        86Mbps is the theoretical peak.

        • Trevnerdio

          Makes sense

      • kk888

        Yes it is possible.

        • Trevnerdio

          Well yeah, all LTE phones should be capable of 100mbps per spec, but nobody really provides that.

  • JayInCA

    Here’s a list from a T-Mobile support page with a list of top 25 markets based on a 2012 posting of census results from 2010, and also a breakout list from T-Mobile themselves of the top markets in 2012 listed during the Samsung S3 rollout.

    http://support.t-mobile.com/thread/34035?start=0&tstart=0

  • Trevnerdio

    Just saw this coverage in Mobile, AL. Not sure if it’s still up, but it was pretty awesome while it lasted.

  • NuShrike

    However, fairly pointless with low data caps.

    • Trevnerdio

      T-Mobile only has 1 data plan with a cap that they actually charge you for. The other cap is free internet and the last plan is unlimited!

      • NuShrike

        Yes, but the prices are still ridiculous imo. For example, e-mobile (JP’s 4th and disruptive carrier), it’s $40 / month for unlimited LTE data. Even rental rates are ridiculously cheap and uncapped.

        • Trevnerdio

          Well, compared to the top two carriers…

        • Bronze 6

          1. Size America is one of the least population DENSE nations on earth. Thats why Most of Asia and Europe have much lower cost phone plans. Also fiber(internet connection) is much cheaper in those nations.

        • NuShrike

          Again, false comparison cop out, when comparing Metro areas.

          It’s ~1:1 for Metro areas for population density and signal coverage anywhere in the world.T-Mobile is better than the rest, but there’s no reason coverage can’t be this good for all the other carriers.

          Also, I’m temporarily in a rural part of Japan which gets limited but still fast coverage (42Mbps+ and LTE) for SAME prices (~ $40/month), and cheap fiber too.

    • Mike2o6

      I would rather have low data caps then useless data like Sprint =

    • JBrowne1012

      Truly unlimited nation wide 4g has no cap unless you think you can use 9Tb’s in a month

      • Trevnerdio

        9.55…I did the math. That’s such a ridiculous number, I don’t get why they throw that random number out there. You’re obviously gonna get throttled much before that point lol

        • Binny Gupta

          9,000 gb
          is my cap

        • Trevnerdio

          Mine is 9765.62

        • Nick Gonzalez

          Ditto for me. Just checked my My Account app, it says 9765.62 GB and also that my bill is due in 3 days. Sh*t.

        • Trevnerdio

          Weird number, right? Where do they come up with this stuff?

        • superg05

          because they had to put a number for unlimited one you could never reach ever 9765.62 gb

        • Trevnerdio

          Yeah, but is the excruciating specificity really so necessary? I mean…really? ;)

        • superg05

          in there system maybe it differentiates the plans and unlimited need a number

        • JBrowne1012

          Um… Maybe they just threw some numbers at a board and came up with it who knows?

        • superg05

          no you don’t its impossible to use that amount in a month on a phone which does make it unlimted

        • Trevnerdio

          Companies do this all the time. They go “ohh yeah, you’ve got unlimited, but you’re using a real lot and that might affect our other users, so we’re just gonna go ahead and slow you down for a bit.”

        • superg05

          I’ve downloaded 42 GB before no slow down at all anymore questions?

        • Trevnerdio

          1) it wasn’t a question and 2) my friend has downloaded 127GB before. I did not say the limit was low by any means. It also goes by a congested tower-by-tower basis as to whether you’re throttled or not.

        • superg05

          what makes you think the slow down is throttling and not congestion if they throttle you they tend to let you know with a message

        • Trevnerdio

          Normally they do. But in my other friend’s case, with his grandfathered Verizon unlimited plan, he normally gets slowed a bit in the 30GB range, or 20s somewhere, with no notice.

        • superg05

          okay but that’s not how t-mobile operates that’s the axis of evil Verizon and At&t they don’t care what you have are what your plan is they don’t care about there customers at all and frankly they find all grandfathered plans a annoyance and have made it so any minor change you make throws you off on to teir there to big to care

        • Trevnerdio

          True

        • JBrowne1012

          Yeah there is a clause that says they can still throttle you provided that you are using too much at a certain time but yeah

        • Jeff

          I’ve used over 20 GB in a month w/ no throttling….what exactly is the amount you’d use in a month that you’d be concerned about experiencing throttling?

        • JBrowne1012

          I don’t actually use much just 11gbs at the most so far but if I ever hit around 25gbs-50gbs and they throttle me I d be pissed actually I’d be pissed regardless the number because of how they advertise it. The say its a no overage and no throttle if there is a throttle then it shouldn’t be called truly unlimited 4g

      • Z=Dawg

        WTF y’all doing?!?! LOL! I bet most of y’all cannot live without your phones. Geeze…. :o

    • kev2684

      wrong carrier

      • NuShrike

        Oh really?: http://www2.t-mobile.com/cell-phone-plans/family.html

        I see 500MB, 2GB, and ~unlimited. How fast can you burn through 500MB, and 2GB @ LTE speeds per month? Hilarious at least 15 people didn’t bother explaining this either.

        You’ve all missed the obvious point that faster data-speeds are pointless when capped, especially vs cable/fiber. e.g. uncapped 18Mbps cable is more usable than 42Mbps+ capped.

        When it’s truly uncapped LTE for ~$40/month, come back to me: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://emobile.jp/&prev=/search%3Fq%3De-mobile%2Bjapan%26safe%3Doff%26biw%3D1050%26bih%3D741

        • kev2684

          1. you can get unlimited mobile data NO CAPS at $70/mo
          2. you can put your phone to 3G/4G only mode if you’re consuming data way too fast on LTE
          3. tiered data on simple plan:
          $50 – 500mb
          $60 – 2.5gb
          $70 – 4.5gb
          $80 – 6.5gb
          $90 – 8.5gb
          $100 – 10.5gb
          $110 – 12.5gb

          now you know ✓

          and as far as pricing goes, you can’t compare US to Japan. it’s far different by land area and population density alone.

        • kalel33

          Value plans only have tiered data too. They took away the option for unlimited data from us and are trying to force us to go with the $70 plan. F*$k that.

  • landmarkcm

    Im in one of the markets that metroPCS is running on Tmobile. I picked up the Lg Optimus F3. Blown away by how fast it is. Sometimes faster then my wifi! Keep up the good work Tmobile & hopefully soon youll take over the number 3 spot from Slow Sprint.

    • Garo.j

      I am lookn to purchese a lg f3. Is it a good device.?
      I am curently usen a lg l9. No lte.

      • landmarkcm

        Hello. Yes I would def recommend it. It is better then the L9. Has some neat little features the l9 doesn’t like the blinking notifiction light. Faster camera shutter. Blink detection for the screen, Better battery. And of course the lte. Would have been nice if they made the screen bit bigger but 4inch is good. I think its a little more vivid too & it’s in a sleek little body with not much wasted bezel. Plus the sound quality & speaker output is also better as well. Are you gonna get it on metro or unlocked for Tmobile directly? I was told it was already unlocked as well.. But if your in one of the new metroPCS areas running on same coverage as Tmobile, service is great for bit cheaper.

        • CactusCat

          Or even better, I bought an LG Optimus G Pro from ATT, unlocked it and now run that big ol’ super fast bad boy on Tmo. I’m in one of the 2×5 areas (OKC) but I’ve seen 25mb a few times. Nearly always between 15mb-18mb though. About 8-10mb u/l speeds. This LG is a beast.

        • landmarkcm

          Nice ya its def good we have choices! :) I just glanced at the g pro 5.5 screen is a bit to big for my tastes. But it does def look like it has all the bells & whistles. The F3 for what ya get for only 149.00 is a steal for a good mid range device. Which is all I need.

        • Nick

          How is the battery life on the F3?

        • landmarkcm

          The best! It’s one of it’s strong points. Here is a good link http://www.lg.com/us/cell-phones/lg-MS659-optimus-f3

        • landmarkcm

          The best! It’s one of it’s strong points. From Lg site -Optimus F3 comes backed by a reliable 2,460 mAh SiO+ battery with up to 13.5 hours2 of talk time and the efficiency of Power Saver Mode, so you can make it through your day with confidence.

        • Nick

          Thats amazing!

        • TmoSamsungMan

          lol I just did that with a 32gb at&t s4 too haha.

  • gentleman559

    Holy cow, this is the most dramatic thread I have seen in recent times. WTF guys. Seriously? Cant we all just get along? ;-)

    • TmoSamsungMan

      lol I know right.

  • mike

    would this give us better penetration through building? I honestly don’t care for anything above 20mbps, i just want data indoors

    • y

      no

    • TechHog

      Only lower frequencies can help with that. You’ll have to wait for the 600MHz auction, hope for the best, and then if all goes well you’ll still need to buy a new phone to support the band and it’ll take a few years before the band can be used. There’s literally nothing that T-Mobile can do about penetration right now.

      • Jay J. Blanco

        I was thinking today why don’t tmobile refarm the 850mhz to 3G. But i guess they need it for 2g Lol

        • TechHog

          Not just that, but they also don’t have the spectrum to do that. They were only able to do that for the 1900MHz band because of the spectrum they got from AT&T

        • Rod

          I thought T-Mobile didn’t have any native 850 licenses? Wasn’t their 2G network all 1900mhz with 850 roaming from AT&T and smaller regional carriers?

        • Jay J. Blanco

          Tmobile does they use 850mhz and 1900mhz for 2g. That’s why we always have good penetration with 2g in buildings. But tmobile don’t have the $$$$ do do all that work

        • TechHog

          Again, the issue is spectrum, not money. They can’t use what theyhave right now for anything other than 2G

        • Brad C

          T-Mobile uses 1900MHz only, the only have one CSA with 850MHz, and that’s around Myrtle Beach from the Suncom purchase

        • Jay J. Blanco

          Tmobile uses 1900 and 850 for 2g. They’re refarming 1900mhz to use for hspa and 3g.

        • Nick

          T-Mobile does not use 850Mhz, they only have a license for that in Myrtle Beach, SC and I don’t even know if they use it.

        • Jay J. Blanco

          I confirmed that T-Mobile does use 850mhz for 2g. I confirmed it with technical support they even emailed me a document about the network evolution. They use 850mhz 1900mhz for 2g. 1900mhz for 3g due to the refarm.

        • Guest

          Congratulations, you’ve repeated incorrect information 3 or 4 times now. T-Mobile does not own ANY 850mhz spectrum outside of South Carolina, therefore they DO NOT use 850mhz for their 2G service. If tech support said something different, you’re a fool for believing tech support…

        • Jay J. Blanco

          Obviously my information isnt incorrect just called T-Mobile Technical support again and they email me another document stating they operate 850mhz nationwide and 1900 mhz nationwide for 2G. ITS THE STANDARD…. But hey does anyone on here work for T-Mobile?????? that telling me otherwise no. Half the stuff on the internet you cant source.

        • TMOLOYAL

          You are extremely wrong. T-Mobile uses strictly 1900 for GSM. They roam on 850 with other carriers such as AT&T, but they do not own more than a tiny sliver of 850 in SC across the entire country. They are re-farming a portion not all of their 1900 from GSM to WCDMA, because they have off loaded a large portion of their traffic from GSM to WCDMA and have a lot of 1900 sitting there unused.
          Now they are using 1900 for GSM, 1900 for WCDMA, 1700/2100 for WCDMA and 2100 for LTE.

        • Jay J. Blanco

          Your telling me stuff I already know. And tmobile uses 1700/2100 for lte
          2100/1700 for hspa 3g
          1900 for hspa/3g due to refarm

        • superg05

          i thought that long ago but after some research i found that it was just 850 roaming on at&t and other partners

  • Alex Zapata

    Next step: 2×20 LTE. Just because.

  • HangmanSwingset

    This excites me. Just traded off the unlocked Verizon iPhone 5 for an unlocked AWS model. Waiting for Everett, WA to get some love.

    • HangmanSwingset

      Scratch that. Took the dog for a walk on the Evergreen Middle School track and got LTE there today :D

  • Rod

    Why is this news? San Diego has been 2x10mhz since launch. 60Mbit/s is insane though. Haven’t seen anything over 35.

    • Rudy Belova

      I get 40+ down in imperial beach. But it seems capped at around 40Mbps.

    • riDIRKulous

      Because most t mobile LTE markets use 2×5 MHz……

  • Avi M.
  • mondragon

    Anyone in san Diego… I have a Nokia 925 as a gift.. Looking to trade for either s4 or xperia z… Email is mondragon8510@gmail.com. Can meet at a tmobile. Thanks.

  • RonJeezy

    Since all this talk about indoor coverage, which carrier has good to great indoor coverage?

    • VapidRapidRabbit

      AT&T and Verizon where I live.

    • Lagurl

      Well depends were u live over here in los angeles att is the only carrier that works really good in highrise buildings, underground parking lots, elevators and the metro gold line, red line, purple line, green line yes we have underground subway trains in LA haha anyways like I said att works best here second is verizon I always touht CDMA was supposed to work better than gsm but att gsm works better in all those places than verizon cdma. Third IS tmobile 4th sprint sprint uses some cheap kind of cdma or somethin because even tmobile which uses 1900, 1700 gsm works better in buildings than sprint.

    • http://www.facebook.com/unfazedrebel Jé Be (Here but Gone)

      None

    • colonelcasey

      Lower radio frequencies penetrate walls better so ATT/Verizon will always win at this because they have 3G/LTE on the 700 and 850 bands. T-Mobile uses 1700/2100 for LTE and 1700/1900/2100 for 3G, which don’t penetrate buildings as well.

  • zeiferx

    how about letting people know that when you are on tmobile service partners coverage with unlimited data you only get 50megs a month.
    all this moves are great but what happens to people that drive often and sometimes have to be away from their big metro market? how about being fair and while people have unlimited plans let them really be unlimited anywhere without restrictions.
    faster speeds that i can only use when im on the inconsistent coverage that tmobile has nationwide. its great in many places but relays on others on many more!
    think about it!

  • Lagurl

    AND for the guy on here saying tmobile using 850 for 2g? Is that for certain areas only? Because over here in los angeles I put my xperia z , galaxy s4 both runnin on tmobile on 850 gsm and got no service even outside then put em on 1900 and got 2G , same on 1700 I got service so yea I guess no 850 in LA?? Because it worked fine on 1900, 1700 etcc but not 850..

    • Rudy Belova

      I have yet to find any areas with 850mhz with t-mobile. It’s strictly for roaming. 1900mhz pcs for 2g.

    • colonelcasey

      Read the table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_US#Radio_frequency_spectrum_chart

      It’s for 2G/3G roaming only. I wonder what happened to the ATT 3G roaming deal. What happened with that?

      • conservative_motorcyclist

        good question…When I was up in VT, I was connected to AT&T’s 4G network! They were only giving me EDGE -like speeds :( I ran a speedtest from my fiancee’s phone (she has AT&T) and she was getting 3-4Mbps! Stupid roaming agreements *grumble grumble grumble*

        • Trevnerdio

          That sucks lol I don’t get the point of a 3G roaming agreement if the coverage is the same or less than 2G. Better latency? More capacity, maybe?

    • Anonymouse

      afaik, the only areas with native 850 mhz are former suncom wireless service areas in the southeast, puerto rico and usvi. t-mo acquired suncom in ’07.

      • Trevnerdio

        So we could go to the US Virgin Islands and not pay exorbitant roaming charges with our T-Mobile service? I’ve always wondered about that.

  • Imhuman

    I dont give $&@@ about tmobile anymore, why they dont upgrade 2g areas, sometimes i get no service at all, im from eastern Ct, tmobile its loosing a lot of costumers!! Tmobile go to hell!!!

    • jason

      Great post! Would read again!

    • m1

      those damn costumers are messing everything up!

    • JBrowne1012

      Why don’t you just buy the service that works in your area?

  • Dakota

    Stop with all the tech jargon and just have a reliable, robust, nationwide fast network and they will come

  • Omegajb

    I would give up some high end speed for better in building service and out of area coverage.
    This week is was a passenger driving from DC to MA and the coverage on 95 was abysmal, Southern NJ was a joke with no coverage.

    • Jan

      I travel for work from DC to NY twice a week and I have the same problem – I-95 is covered in EDGE or no coverage at all. I’ve tried to be patient, but it’s simply unacceptable and I’m switching to AT&T’s LTE pre-paid plan. It might not be unlimited, but at least I’ll have LTE or 4G at least.

      • nycplayboy78

        Yes when I go home to NYC from DC and I am in Delaware I have no signal at ALL…THANK YOU!!!

  • noname

    can someone tell is it 2x10Mhz in, San Francisco, because I’ve done speed tests and the maximum was 64mbits .butt only in concord,ca and i don’t see any towers around. Otherwise almost every test is around 30mbit and 22mb upload but this was the maximum i saw on the upload side.

  • me

    That’s great… Now fix the EDGE data you have in most of the country.

    • gentleman559

      I have to agree. I HATE that they neglect so much of the country. Otherwise I love T-Mobile but God damn come on guys seriously?

    • Whitney

      Agreed. I hate being road trips with no LTE.

    • meijin3

      It’s funny because I actually like EDGE. It’s usable in a pinch and using it saves you tons of battery.

  • keasycase

    How can u tell if ur on 10*10 on a HTC phone… HTC one

    • Jeff

      if your speeds are above 20 Mbps, you might be, if they’re above 30, you’re probably on it, and if they’re above 40, you’re definitely on 10×10

      • tosh

        is this true? so san francisco area is 2×10 , but there is a few dead spots where hspa+ comes to help.I was wonder are they still gonna do something about the dead spots or we have to wait for 2×20?highway 4 for example is with no coverage i guess the terrain there is tricky – lots of hills due to seismic region i think

  • vinnyjr

    There is no towers from T-Mobile pushing out 10-10 on their LTE Network. When these towers are implemented T-Mobile will be the fastest Network in the US. On top of that for any one who doesn’t know,T-Mobile as they have been updating their towers to LTE they have been using the LTE Advanced hardware. They are the only Carrier who has been using this hardware. Being the last Carrier to the LTE dance they have been able to use the latest and greatest hardware that just wasn’t available when the other Carriers were setting up their towers. T-Mobile will be the first Carrier to go to LTE Advanced technology when this is available. That will be mind blowing speeds and that is just around the corner. Great times to be a T-Mobile Customer.

    Thank You T-Mobile

    • Trevnerdio

      Yeah there is, my phone info told me so.

    • Imhuman

      My balls!!! You work for tmobile, you talk of a better tmobile, but what about the 2g signal in most OF ThE COUNTRY, im from a busy city in eastern CT and everybody says and knows that tmobile will dissapear eventualy!! F$&@@k tmobile

      • JBrowne1012

        T-mobile isn’t going anywhere anytime soon

    • Mike Jones

      Wrong. Sprint is the last to the LTE shindig and their setup is LTE-A ready too. Their LTE network is sort of future proof since they do everything on a software level instead of a hardware level like all the other carriers. Where as they can actually guarantee a min speed with their LTE service even during peak times since they designed their new network a very interesting way.

      • dontsh00tmesanta

        which is why i still have an account with them

        I will return when 800mhz LTE is in fresno

  • bydavidrosen

    i was in nebraska a month ago for 3 days and from the time i touched down to the time i left i had absolutely zero signal. not even edge. fix things like that first.

    • nycplayboy78

      AMEN!!!! You see that is what I am talking about…I wanted to go and visit my friends in Kansas City and Saint Louis and there is like no 4G/LTE/3G coverage…

      • Daniel

        Almost exclusively 4G an hour north of KC. Even some 4G LTE.

  • Mr Tibs

    I would rather have service that works everywhere then have super fast service that i cant use

    • JBrowne1012

      I rather have fast service that is reliable where I’m at T-mobile does that for me why should I care if half the country doesn’t have access? The place I live and where I travel has great service. If I find a place I travel to that doesn’t have fast speeds I just kick back and relax because theres no enjoying vacay if you are on a phone

      • Jarred Sutherland

        If you find a place to travel to that doesn’t have fast speeds, you’ll be in 2G and you’ll have no speed. Calls and text work (forget MMS!) but nothing else. Perhaps you need to experience the rest of T-Mobile’s network. Im happy for you it is great where you live, but T-Mobile has terrible coverage just about everywhere else and if they expect to grow, they better start doing something about it. I don’t care how many times I can upgrade my phone, junk service is still junk service.

        • JBrowne1012

          If I’m on vacay I’m not expecting calls nor returning them. If I travel I’m probably going to stay in a hotel or a vacation home that has wifi in of which if you don’t know by now wifi calling is great.

  • RayRay

    If Tmobile does not offer their 3G, 4G, and LTE services to places where they have poor coverage or 2G, how do they expect to grow as a company? I’m fed up with Tmo, it was great when I lived in the city but now that I live in a place that is small but still has about 75,000 population, 2G only..come on!

    • Daniel

      That sucks. I get 4G LTE in Saint Joseph, MO. About an hour north of KC.

    • Z=Dawg

      YESSS! Exactly! That is the reason why I left T-Mobile two months ago. I now use AT&T’s gophone service!! I get LTE coverage on my unlocked iPhone 5! LTE!! Once they have LTE in my area, I am switching back.

      • dontsh00tmesanta

        I live in fresno and i have 42mbps hspa backup with LTE!!!!!!!!! BEtter than ATT/Verizon/SPrint here cuz of unlimited

  • 0neTw0

    Nothing like getting 0 signal in my house. I unfortunately live somewhere in the middle of two towers. and they fight about who has to cover me.

  • Nick

    Does anyone think they know when T-mobile will have LTE up and running in Cincinnati, OH? It was originally rumored to go live along with Dayton, but that didn’t happen. just curious.

  • nycplayboy78

    Hey Dave…Does this mean that we will have better building penetration on 2×10? I go into any mall here in the DC Metro Area and I am fine inside but when I go inside a store I just totally lose signal I mean nothing at all and it is very frustrating and then I am lucky enough that most of the malls and shopping centers here in the DC Metro have free wifi but damn..Also what are the top 25 markets for T-Mobile? I know that my home NYC is one but is DC on that list? The entire East Coast? Las Vegas? Los Angeles? San Fran? Could you please explain more Dave?

  • vinnyjr

    Long time T-Mobile customer who is very excited about the crazy ass speeds coming down the pike. My HSPA+ speeds in the Boston area during the day is between 13 & 25mb down and 5mb up. At night even faster. My LTE speeds hover right around the same speed. I love it. All this with real unlimited data with tethering. Can’t beat this with a stick.
    Thank You T-Mobile

  • Jared

    My network speed was hitting around 25 mbs the first week LTE rolled out here in Tulsa, but now I can’t get over 11 or 12 now, and I’m using the HTC One, why is that?

  • jazzymusic

    wrong wrong about t-mobile not penetraing building i have the galaxy s3 on verizon and the s4 on t-mobile i did a test inside a building and verizon keep losing siginal go from lte to no service at all but t-mobile would go from lte to hspa to edge even in the elevator i had coverdge with lte or hspa and that was suprrising i live nyc so it really depend where you live, so the long story short buy where you live that works for you and this works for me a is real cheap. A lot of more money goes to my pocket book to buy me a nice diner in saving lol!