Google Head Of Android User Experience Explains The Lack Of SD Cards For Nexus Devices

Google’s head of Android user experience, Matias Duarte is engaging Google+ users with some in-depth answers to pressing questions about the Nexus and Android experience. As of this writing, he’s still taking questions and there’s no shortage of discussion on the answers he’s already provided. So far, we’re taking a look at why there are no SD cards in Nexus devices and why on-screen buttons are consistent in Jelly Bean?

We’ll continue updating the post as more answers arrive.

Google+ Matias Duarte

 

Why did you make the system buttons and status bar consistent across all devices in Jelly Bean?

Consistency and usability are really important to us, and that’s something we strive to improve in every new version of Android. With Honeycomb we first introduced the idea of a completely onscreen navigation UI which gave us unprecedented flexibility in how that UI adapts and transforms – both when you turn the device in your hands and when the software changes and has different control needs. Now in Jelly Bean we’ve made the universal software navigation buttons and system bar consistent across all screen sizes.

This new configuration is based on usability research we did on all of the different form factors and screen sizes that Android runs on. What mattered most of all was muscle memory – keeping the buttons where you expect them, no matter how you hold the device.

Phones are almost always used in portrait mode, flip sideways occasionally, and never go upside down. As screen sizes get larger though, any which way goes. Imagine the frustration you’d feel if every time you picked up a tablet off the table ‘the wrong way up’ you found yourself reaching for a home button that wasn’t where you expect it to be? That irritation adds up and over time like a tiny grain of sand in your shoe and undermines the rest of your experience.

The Jelly Bean system bar always keeps the same 3 buttons where you expect them. This happens dynamically for every screen size, up until you get to small handheld screens where stacking the bars in landscape mode would leave too little vertical space.

The second thing we discovered was that there are almost as many different ways of holding our devices as there are people. In fact people love to use their Nexus so much that they use them for such long periods of time that having a single ‘correct grip’ is actually counter productive and increases hand strain. The Jelly Bean navigation buttons work equally well for left handers and right handers, one handed use, or two handed use, and for devices you’re carrying, resting on your knee, or putting on the table.

Last but not least, by unifying the design we are now able to put Notifications and Quick Settings right where you’d expect them, and only one swipe away.

Why don’t Nexus devices have SD cards?

Everybody likes the idea of having an SD card, but in reality it’s just confusing for users.

If you’re saving photos, videos or music, where does it go? Is it on your phone? Or on your card? Should there be a setting? Prompt everytime? What happens to the experience when you swap out the card? It’s just too complicated.

We take a different approach. Your Nexus has a fixed amount of space and your apps just seamlessly use it for you without you ever having to worry about files or volumes or any of that techy nonsense left over from the paleolithic era of computing.

With a Nexus you know exactly how much storage you get upfront and you can decide what’s the right size for you. That’s simple and good for users.

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  • Chris

    Simple? Trying to be like apple? We know how to use our tech and phones. If it’s so confusing, ship it without an SD card, and the “more advanced” users can figure out how to put one in (I know it’s pretty difficult) and manage all their files. I can’t get on G+ at work, so I hope someone asks him about non removable batteries…

    Any way you can keep updating this post David? Thanks, it’s really interesting.

    • Linyera

      The non removable battery is probably because of the wireless charging.

      • Mystictrust

        Not necessarily. Nokia has a device with a removable battery and wireless charging. They probably figured having a removable battery was too confusing for users.

        • MarcusDW

          LMAO!

          There’s just too many ways you can put it back in. Wait for it… wait for it…

    • Dakota

      YOu just said it – you are
      more advanced
      not everyone is – in fact thevast majority isnt…realize 60% or more are still on gingerbread…and i recently spoke to about 5 people i met with ANdroids and not one could even tell me what OS they were using and had never heard the term ice cream sandwich, jelly bean or even gingerbread

      • Scott Sheinfeld

        But the Nexus line, at least as I understood it, was never intended for the average user. These phones were supposed to be for those that not only knew their OS, but most likely would install their own.

      • Chris

        Did you not read what I said? Ship it without the SD card, problem solved.

  • impasse

    yeah, definitely not sure i agree with the “good for users” part. simple, sure..but it’s pretty annoying to not be able to do backups, and have to worry about space for music. i don’t want to have to stream all my music from google music or amazon, nor do i want to have to download it all from the 50gbs of free dropbox you gave me each time.

  • NO SD

    Your about as dumb as your shirt looks if you really think SD card slot is confusing consumers! Pathetic!

    • Dakota

      not everyone is a tech expert like the people who read these blogs. You guys are much more versed in cell phone than the average consumers. I know its hard for you to comprehend that since you know so much…but most people dont even know the name of the Android OS they are using. They just want something simple that works and does what they need it to do

      • Chris

        And that’s why they go into a store and buy one and don’t special order one over the web. Plus, they don’t have to use the SD Slot. It is an OPTION.

      • mattcat03

        That would only be true if the majority of the people who use a smart phone are first time users or not techy like you mentioned. However, statistically, there are more experienced android users using these smart phones who have already gone through serveral devices.

      • Eude

        These people who are not technically savy are probably not the ones buying Nexus devices. They will buy any other device available simply because it “looks pretty” regardless of the specs. For those of us who care, they should have as many options available for diversity. These statements today are an insult to any educated and technically savy mind.

      • xx00xx

        most dont know the name of android OS but everyone knows sd card. its in the phone, camera, laptops every freaking where.
        my gf filled galaxy s with music and photo in 10 days of buying the phone and she knows nothing about android other than gallery and music player and its 16 gb, it had sd slot and $$@@boom@@$$ another 16 gb.

      • Hyuri

        I have a friend who is about as tech-unavvy as they come. Six months after buying a Galaxy S, I had to show him how to use the Play Store. But he already had an SD card. He still can’t remember how to transfer his photos off the phone, but he knew enough to install and use an SD card. He only got the GS because it was a Samsung phone; he didn’t and still doesn’t really “get” Android or even care about it. But he had an SD card. Not being a “tech expert” has nothing whatsoever to do with SD card availability or usage.

      • Nik

        U know… That would make sense. But it doesn’t because the ‘average consumer’ is not the one buying a nexus device… Nexus devices r mostly geared toward the tech fiends,n iI’m certain that leaving real capacitive buttons and expandable storage isn’t confusing any of us. This is the crrap keeping me from getting a nexus devicee

    • Me

      You’re…not your….classic…pathetic!

  • i dont really care but what really bothers me is that shirt. wtf?!

  • Chris Sanner

    that would be great. except that the size that’s “right for me” isn’t frakking offered. thanks.

    • Jordan Williams

      I agree with a lot of other people when I say that if you’re too stupid to realize where your things are being saved you shouldn’t be using a smartphone. I filled up ’16 gigs’ of storage, which was nowhere near 16 actual gigs, very quickly.

    • Beedi

      I completely agree with you. If they feel that SD cards are “too confusing”, then why not offer 32/64 GB versions instead of the poultry 8/16 GB current offerings? To me, this lack of storage is the only Achilles heal on the Nexus devices. Cut the bullshit and increase the storage or give me a microSD slot already!

  • Rich

    I feel a bit insulted now.

  • mikkej2k

    I call Bulls#!+. Give people the option of being able to expand and control their memory. Please Google. It is a feature that sets you apart from Apple.

    • Bob Omb

      They do, it’s called buy a different Android phone that has expandable storage.

      • mikkej2k

        Like the Nexus One. I love the idea of the Nexus brand but please read the comments “Nick”. Most posters know you can buy another phone because Android is all about options.

        Don’t take a valued option away from the developer phone and say it’s for the best. The Nexus brand represents the way that Google would like the brand to go.
        Most of the posters realize , no matter what the fancy shirt guy says , this is not good.

        • Bob Omb

          From my other post:

          Here’s a quote from Google’s Dan Morril, from 11 months ago, about sd-cards.

          “There’s no particular hardware reason a device can’t have both. The problem is that there is no good UI for it.

          One of the core Android principles is that you never need a file manager. Ever. We wanted to avoid the obnoxious “sneeze and a file picker appears” syndrome of basically every other OS. Local data that apps know how to handle should just be magically available within the apps, or stored in the cloud. You shouldn’t have to go spelunking on your SD card to find data.

          The problem with having both internal storage and SD cards is that suddenly that goal gets a whole lot harder to achieve. For a given shot, should the camera save to internal-16GB, or to SD card? Should an app from Market be installed to internal or SD? etc.

          Yes, we can solve this by letting the user choose, or have it be in settings. But then, that’s a file picker, or close enough to the file picker experience that we dislike it just as much.

          And besides that, there are API consequences: if you stick in an SD card with photos on it, do you add those to the system media content provider? If you do, you will screw up apps because they aren’t designed with the concept that photos can come and go.

          What we will probably do eventually is add an import/export concept to removable storage. So the Camera will always save to internal-16GB, and when you pop in an SD card (or insert a thumb drive on USB host devices) you can start a migration or import/export dialog.

          But until we have that, devices will generally either have an SD card, or a large internal storage, but not both. I totally get that a lot of people like SD cards, and I miss USB Mass Storage myself. But then, that’s why it’s great that there are so many devices to choose from. :)

          tl;dr: it’s a can of worms. We’re thinking about compromises for future versions.”

        • mikkej2k

          Saying the NEWEST VERSION of an operating system/hardware can’t do what older versions have been doing for years is RIDICULOUS.

          The explanation why Google took choices away makes no sense. You don’t want to confuse people? Then we better not put numbers on the phone for people to dial , because they might get confused when they have to chose.

          People of all levels of competency learn when they are motivated. And their motivation is high when it’s something they care about like their music , photos , or contacts.

          Like you said buy a phone with SD card ability. These phones are GREAT examples , because I’ve NEVER heard of “confusion” with devices that give you the option of removable memory. On top of that , these phones have been sold with the incentive of access to the cloud.

          If I had to guess , there are few people using the free cloud storage when they have the option of removable , expandable storage. You don’t give away something for free that’s in demand.

        • RLB63

          I would stop buying Android phones if they dropped the SD cards. Don’t like the MS phones but not having SD cards is a deal breaker for me. I don’t care if the phone has 10TB. I also think it is stupid that the SGS3 calls it’s internal storage is called SD, and the real SD is called ExtSD.

        • thepanttherlady

          LOL at “fancy shirt guy”!

        • Bob Omb

          There’s plenty of technical reasons why it is “good.” From my other post:

          “Here’s a quote from Google’s Dan Morril, from 11 months ago, about sd-cards.

          “There’s no particular hardware reason a device can’t have both. The problem is that there is no good UI for it.

          One of the core Android principles is that you never need a file manager. Ever. We wanted to avoid the obnoxious “sneeze and a file picker appears” syndrome of basically every other OS. Local data that apps know how to handle should just be magically available within the apps, or stored in the cloud. You shouldn’t have to go spelunking on your SD card to find data.

          The problem with having both internal storage and SD cards is that suddenly that goal gets a whole lot harder to achieve. For a given shot, should the camera save to internal-16GB, or to SD card? Should an app from Market be installed to internal or SD? etc.

          Yes, we can solve this by letting the user choose, or have it be in settings. But then, that’s a file picker, or close enough to the file picker experience that we dislike it just as much.

          And besides that, there are API consequences: if you stick in an SD card with photos on it, do you add those to the system media content provider? If you do, you will screw up apps because they aren’t designed with the concept that photos can come and go.

          What we will probably do eventually is add an import/export concept to removable storage. So the Camera will always save to internal-16GB, and when you pop in an SD card (or insert a thumb drive on USB host devices) you can start a migration or import/export dialog.

          But until we have that, devices will generally either have an SD card, or a large internal storage, but not both. I totally get that a lot of people like SD cards, and I miss USB Mass Storage myself. But then, that’s why it’s great that there are so many devices to choose from. :)

          tl;dr: it’s a can of worms. We’re thinking about compromises for future versions.” – Dan Morril, Google

      • goodtest

        Meant to down vote Nick…sorry for the up vote.

    • TBN27

      Not anymore. And that sucks. Now i question the thoight of google being unique. I may wal away from nexus being my next phone.

  • Mr.Groppi

    Though I understand the standpoint on SD cards I don’t feel it was the right direction to take. I have a 32GB GSIII with a 32GB micro SD and I will probably be getting a 64GB micro SD card soon. I put movies and shows and such on my phone and stream them to my TV and I use a lot of space and the lack of expandable memory is a deal breaker for me. We shouldn’t be dumbing things down just because some people don’t get it…

  • barker1964

    That was a “Jedi mind trick answer” they are forcing us to use cloud services

    • Dakota

      thats probably part of it as well

    • mattcat03

      I agree with you 100%

    • Mark Williams

      You said a mouthful…I will use the cloud anyway, but there are times I want to use my phones memory, not to mention, I don’t want to have to keep going back in to see what pictures, videos and apps, I must get rid of because I am reaching my little 16GB limit

    • I’m not even against using cloud services, every song in my music library is in Google Music and every photo I take on my phone gets auto-uploaded to both Google+ and Dropbox, but the issue is that you don’t always have Internet access (especially on a WiFi only tablet) and even more importantly everything on your phone’s internal memory is for all intents and purposes completely gone if your phone ever stops working.

      • RLB63

        I agree I want to store things on the EXTERNAL SD as they now seem to call it. I wont buy a phone without one. I want to make sure if the phone dies I can swap the SD and move it to the replacement.

    • Jason

      Cloud services is great as long as you have an internet connection, and T-Mobile does not have the best coverage around. There is too much time when my cloud data is inaccessible. Also, 12GB (what you get of the 16) is measly in this day and age. I just bought The Bard’s Tale for my phone, which required an additional 5GB download to run. There went almost half my storage. I’m not accessing my cloud data when I fly, so how am I supposed to watch all of the movies that I want to while in the air.

      When my data connection is nearly always available, I could understand this, but at this time, I just bought a 64GB microsd for my SGSII.

  • bruce strom

    ugh..that answer on the sd card is nauseating. to be honest, me personally it’s not a make or break type thing. i prefer an sd slot, but not a lot you can do if you want a nexus phone. boycotting is not gonna get it done..looks like they’re going to be a thing of the past. but really, “..or any of that techy nonsense” ? (holy shit)

  • Sounds like a really lame explanation. All you have to do is choose where to save to once the very first time. Why dont you just tell the truth and say we plan to make money off of cloud storage when people run out of the minimal storage we give them and hold user content hostage.

  • to be honest i’ve never even come close on my phone to using even 8GB .. my tablet is another story .. i go through 16GBs easy .. but on my phone for whatever reason, i’ve never had to increase storage via SD card.

  • UncleFan

    What a lame explanation… these guys at Google have been getting high on their own farts for way too long. The thing that really kills me is that this can’t possibly be the *real* reason, so they’re just insulting everyone’s intelligence with their bogus excuse.

  • “Everybody likes the idea of having an SD card, but in reality it’s just confusing for users.”

    Wait, what? We all like the idea, but really, it confuses us? That’s like saying everyone likes sex, but doesn’t know what to do it it. So again, and I posted this yesterday on another forum when it came into question, I’m willing to forgive certain things for the sake of a great product to an extent, but… (Below, copied from my comment yesterday)

    {Here’s another thing, going back to what Google said about how much storage Android users use on their phones and how they’re moving toward the cloud…. (2Gb my ass) If we’re saying that 3G, and presumably WiFi are as fast as it’s going to get, then wouldn’t it make more sense to not even offer the N4 in an 8Gb?

    Seriously, Google could own right now if they said, no SD, no problem. Here’s the N4 at 16Gb, 32Gb, and 6-10 months later a 64Gb phone.}

  • megabonix

    No, having a microSD slot and the ability to add storage is a key feature that set Android apart from iPhone… not so much now. It’s the MAIN drawback for me in owning a Nexus.

    • Jack

      Yes, the only difference between Android & iPhone (an OS & a phone, btw) is a microSD slot…

  • pestengyawa

    lol my grandma doesn’t know how to use sd card.

  • fixxmyhead

    ok no sd cards is fine ut let us choose between 32 and 64gb versions not 8 and 16
    still gonna get one :groans:

  • Nick

    I can’t stand that comment. It sounds like something Steve Jobs would have said.
    How can and SD card be confusing? That’s ridiculous. What if the fixed amount of space isn’t enough (and don’t you dare say cloud).

    • CUMULONIMBUS!

    • bos

      google is the new apple and the cloud is their “lightning” connector
      bad for consumers, but good for google

  • That’s a lame excuse!

  • Chris Pags

    “What happens to the experience when you swap out the card? It’s just too complicated.” What happens when I can’t save any more photos to the device because it’s out of built-in storage? Which method is going to piss off a user more? What a horrible answer from someone who should be a lot more insightful.

  • $8245638

    Matias, are you shitting me? Give us back that SD-Card slot. Just take away the capability to transfer apps into the SD card.
    Android users pride themselves as being a tech-wiz, and you simply called us out as stupid.

    PS: Give us back our “menu” button!!! Long press on home to get recent apps is more than enough!

    • whiteiphoneproblems

      “Give us back our “menu” button!!! Long press on home to get recent apps is more than enough!”

      I agree; but unfortunately it’ll never happen… :/

    • Gbgamer

      I definitely disagree with you on your p.s. I love knowing whether an app has a menu, and the multitasking is SO much better now.

  • AndTheWorldMayNeverKnow

    ok that’s cool but they need to start putting out 16/32/64 devices instead of just 8/16 come on they should know better. they already upped the memory of the 7 to 32 why wouldn’t they drop the 4 with a 32 option? that’s my only disappointment to be honest otherwise I would (and might still if they release another version later) buy a 4 off contract

  • Dakota

    i know a lot of you will disagree with the SD card comments as we all want as much storage as we can get…and a cheap SD card is a lot better than paying $100 or more for the additional storage space. But for non techies or cell experts like me, he does make sense. My old phone did have an SD card and I was always confused about whats on the SD, whats on the phone…And Id look at settings and there were all different kinds of memory and I didnt understand which was which and no one could ever explain it to me accurately. I wouldnt have a lot of apps – since Id move each one possible to the SD card along with my few photos – and yet at times, Id find myself having to go into the phone files and start deleting stuff or clearing cache so it would work. I also dont understand the JB question above…why would it bother you if the buttons are always available in the same place? But what do I know. Id like to know if 4.2 will arrive on the Galaxy Nexus and if so , when. Will that include the new photo feature (and why did the Gnex have such poor volume levels and a low grade 5mp camera instead of 8)
    Also is the GNex still going to be sold – since its not on the website.
    Are pure Google Nexus devices only going to be GSM available?
    They really need to promote these handsets with prepaids where it really makes sense since their prices are so cheap (still dont understand why a Samsung phone would cost 200-300$ more for an unlocked device)

    • mikkej2k

      Posting in the comment section is harder than using an SD card. And if the experience is SO confusing , why not simplify it instead of eliminating an option that Apple doesn’t give you.

    • Nessim

      For the SD :
      If it confuses you, just dont put an SD on it and LET the option live for ppl who wants to use it.
      Stop doing that plz!

  • squiggleslash

    It’s too complicated? Really?

    When I took a photo, it always went to the SD card on my old myTouch Slide. How was that complicated than it always going to, uh, the unremovable memory?

    Also what’s more complicated when migrating from one phone to the other? Swapping over SIM cards and SD-cards, or making/restoring back-ups across numerous “clouds”, USB-connected PCs, etc?

  • ogopogo

    “We take a different approach” – Really? Different from Apple how?
    This guy should be a politician.

  • Dakota

    one other thing – is the new phone _
    +21 or42 – ifonly +21 why do their devices only do that

    and also train thei rnexus tech support better- most everything theyve told me when I first go tthe Gnex was wrong. They kept telling me Android doesnt have that feature or that cant be done, and in every case, this non techie figured it out on my own

  • Stevo Trabajo

    Lame ass excuse/ reason. As far a nexus buyers/ consumers go the complexity issue is irrelevant. I can say with a high level of certainty that most nexus buyers aren’t technophobes or first time smart phone buyers. If I’m wrong then the software engineers should simplify the external storage setting interface or even perhaps limit the use of SD cards to media only like video, pictures and audio. We know apple does it so they can up sell you to a higher price margin larger capacity device. What’s the real reason google you are not adding SD cards? Some basic phones have them, a lot of gadgets have them that aren’t complex. Duarte I call bullshite on your response. Cool story bro.

    • JB

      Agreed. My sister is FAR from a technophile as a matter of fact, she gets super bored and disengaged when I talk about it. Long story short, she’s in the market for a new phone and saw an article/ad about the Nexus 4 and asked me about it. I told her it should be a great device, and you wouldn’t be wasting your money. Her next question was “Does it have a memory slot?” Told her no, and now she’s considering a Samsung. So non obviously non-techy people do care about things like that.

      I like your SD card limitation… I would extend that to games and apps over a certain threshold.

  • James456

    I agree.. 98% of users can’t care less about an SD card, I myself had a hard time explaining a friend where to save his files. OTOH, I think people who buy a Nexus phone are more gadget-savvy and would really want the flexibility of having a micro-SD slot.
    Personally, watching a movie on a little phone screen is a waste. I watch my movies on a 60″ Sony w/full array LEDs with 7.1 surround using an Oppo BDP.

    • lololo

      stfu about your entertaiment system.

    • JB

      Except when you’re on a plane or layover or out and about in general and you want to use your tablet/phone as a means for entertainment. Now I’m very curious as to where you put your entertainment system in those cases?

      • h_f_m

        You plan ahead and make smart purchasing decisions for the things you care about. That would mean not buying a nexus phone.

        • JB

          @h_f_m:disqus I wasn’t commenting on the SD argument. I’m in the camp of having the option of the SD card. That’s the one thing that strayed me away from Nexus and why I have a S III. Though I could just use my OTG cable if I was going to make the jump.

          What I was commenting on directly was James and his comment that watching a movie on a phone screen is a waste then went on to brag about his entertainment system. My point was to say that there is a situation for everything and people watch videos on the go or when travelling so having a fancy entertainment system does little good in those instances.

  • 0neTw0

    To confusing? To Techy? This is the kind of response I expect from Apple.

  • wampl3r

    If you believe it’s confusing, ship the device with an empty sd slot. Then the out of box user experience would be as you desire. However, if the user requires more space, they can add a card themselves. Forcing limitations on users is one of my biggest complaints about Apple, and it’s sad to see others follow suit.

    • Nick

      No, that makes way too much sense

    • Raven

      I agree. I love what he has done with the UI for the latest versions of Android but I find his rationalization of the lack of MicroSD slots pretty weak and borderline insulting. Why not give the option? Any user intelligent enough to buy a MicroSD card and insert it into the slot is going to be intelligent enough to figure out how to use the additional storage space. I have 32gb MicroSD cards in almost all of my Android devices (currently 3 tablets, 2 phones) except my Nexus 7 and every time I get a new one I pop the card out and copy it on to a new one and insert it into the new device and voila instantly ready to go with documents, music, pictures, and movies. But, I sorely miss the option on my Nexus 7 and it will probably prevent me from ever buying another device that lacks one.?

      I love the ability to have multiple 32GB MicroSD cards for my Asus Transformer. I have one general purpose one with a mix of music, pictures, and movies. I have another one almost completely full of high-res pictures, and I have another completely full of movies. Also, Android devices are great until they die for some reason and all of your data is trapped inside of it. Being able to simply remove the MicroSD card has been a great help to me twice already.

  • eurohomie

    I don’t think the answer is very good but I’ve never used over 4GB on my phone… And I have a few ROMs on my SD card. Yall are putting movies and TV shows on your SD cards that you’re going to watch once and then it just sits there and wastes space. I use tunein for radio, watchseries.eu for TV shows, and thefirstrow.eu for sports on my phone. No need to waste space on my SD card when I can stream something new .

    • mikkej2k

      If you have a connection. No matter how good the network , a connection is not always guaranteed.

  • h_f_m

    man.. so much hatred spewing over a phone…

    16GB not enough? Buy a different phone
    Want LTE? Buy a different phone
    LG Optimus G is calling you. it’s the same phone with LTE and SD support.

    Me? I’m fine with 16GB, I’ll be nabbing that beautiful slab of awesome on day one.

    • Julio

      The issue people have with it is not just the phone itself. It’s also the stupid ass excuse for the lack of SD support and no mention of the limited choices in capacity

      • h_f_m

        Who cares what the excuse is, they have no interest in supporting it on Nexus phones. There are MANY alternative hardware options for people that want SD.

    • 1.) Optimus G is not a Nexus 2.) Optimus G is not a T-mo device 3.) T-mo doesn’t have LTE 4.) People buy Nexus brand for a reason

  • joe cannes

    I was going to get a Nexus tablet and phone, but the lack of an SD Card slot just changed my decision

  • ceegii63

    “If you’re saving photos, videos or music, where does it go? Is it on your phone? Or on your card? Should there be a setting? Prompt everytime? What happens to the experience when you swap out the card? It’s just too complicated.”

    you realize you just called Android users STUPID right?

    just admit it you want to be as “Cool” as Apple dictating what your customers can and cant have

    Jesus were not monkeys who cant work memcards, your just being lazy, we would gladly pay extra to have the option to expand our memory to how ever big we want them

  • mikkej2k

    Offer two Nexus 4’s. One with no SD card slot and one with it. The Sales will speak for themselves.

  • TMoFan

    Is it really that confusing? Lack of sdcard support is a disappointment, but there are ways around that. I plan on using usb otg with an sdcard reader when I get my Nexus.

    • marbo100

      Yeah! Because it’s always convenient to have a cable hanging off your phone while you’re walking around.

  • Chris

    right…because the kind of people who buy a Nexus device can’t figure out an SD card.

  • AndroidProfit

    his SD answer couldn’t have been more douchebag like. What a total sanctimonious cock.” paleolithic era of computing.”…. what an a$$hole.

  • ceegii63

    whoever decided that NEXUS Devices cant have memcards SHOULD GET FIRED

  • mueller2051

    so were just too stupid to use a sd card or find what were looking for if we had one. dont buy it sorry. sounds to me like there trying to grow a apple tree in the back yard

  • JB

    Ummm first, that shirt. Burn it.

    And the SD card. I call B.S. I’m sure it’s well intent and might actually be that reason he put out there. Though in this age where everyone has some sort of fancy device with memory, it’s not too far out the way to think that people actually know what they are doing. For instance, a ton of people had point and shoots before the smartphone took dominance. So the vast majority of those consumers know how to access their SD card vs internal memory. Really the solution is simple:

    Insert memory card.
    Ask which storage they want to use.
    Have a do not ask again checkbox. (you know kind of like what you do when you download more than one app with the same function.. geeze.)

    Simple, right? I’d also imagine that people who changes their memory card already has a grasp of what they are doing.

    In an age where games and apps are getting larger in size, It’s nice to be able to store your extra stuff somewhere else. And in the event where you can’t pull a data signal or if you are on a data limit (if you’re ATT and VZW customers) then having essential stuff stored locally and having the comfortable amount of space necessary is a must for me.

    And you’re not getting 8, 16 or 32 out the box when you subtract system files. it generally takes 2-4 gigs, which blows when you buy an 8 or 16 gig device. Though who am I kidding? I’ll still get the Nexus 4 anyways… Luckily we have things like OTG cables now!

  • s10shane

    “you can decide what’s the right size for you” that is dumb because they don’t make a size that fits me. if your gonna say something like that, they should at least offer a 32GB or 64GB version of the phone. then i wouldn’t care about an SD card slot at all. with how much memory HD games in the market take up alone will kill 16GB’s in no time. then you still have HD videos which i’m sure will take up a lot as well then you still have photos and music.

  • archerian

    wow, Google has started weaving their own Reality Distortion Field now that Jobs is not around anymore…

  • Jms122589

    It’s awesome instead of buying an 8gb for 200 then spending $20 on 32 gb sd I would have to spend 350 on a 16gb…yea awesome. I always wanted to nexus but probably won’t ever buy one now. I’ll just stick to my sgs3 on cm10

  • mattcat03

    The reason I believe there are no sd cards is because Google does not want to contradict their promotion for cloud based usage. They want more people to start using the clould base approach (another revenue center). By limiting the size on the device, people who store a lot of pictures and other data have no option but to use the cloud for storage. That would seem okay if your not data plan restricted or don’t have any issues in connecting to the internet when you roam around. Anyway it seem like a marketing ploy to me rather than a simple approach which he mentioned.

  • mueller2051

    what a insult. don’t you love how company today take away your options and tell you it for your own good or there doing you a favor. sounds like someone trying to grow a “Apple” tree

  • METAL MANIAC

    I get some of what he’s saying….There is hardly a clear way to choose where things go when you have a micro sd card….and I noticed the card also collects a ton of crap like temporary internet file and other unexplained text and data. He’s saying they have internally preset app storage from the music and photo files. The user in turn ends up with a much more precise and streamlined experience.

    I challenge ANY OF YOU…TAKE YOUR MICRO SD CARD OUT OF YOUR PHONE AND LOAD IT INTO A PC OR LAPTOP. WHEN YOU OPEN THE FILES….YOU WILL RECOGNIZE CORE ITEMS LIKE JPEG’S OR PHOTO’S AND YOUR MUSIC AND SOME OF YOUR APP INFORMATION, BUT THERE IS ALSO A HEAP OF STUFF MANY WONT UNDERSTAND WHAT OR WHY ITS JUST SITTING THERE ON THE CARD…THIS IS THE CONFUSION HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

    • marbo100

      So, where can we advanced users go to get what we want? We’re not morons. If we can’t figure it out on our own, we have the ability to read manuals, search the internet or brainstorm with friends. Why do we have to be lumped in with the idiots because google can’t manage their file systems?

    • JB

      I opened mine. I see the the Android and LOST DIR folder and folders of the various apps I downloaded. I also see the DCIM folder (the one that has my photos and videos) my Downloads folder, my music folder and all the folders I created. So the Android system clearly labels your essential stuff.Connecting your phone directly to the computer as a means for transfer is where things can get confusing. Especially if you’re accessing on board storage.I do have a rule of thumb. If you don’t know what it is, then don’t touch it.

      I’m going to go out on a limb and say that people who are transferring their stuff to a computer probably already knows what they are doing or at the very least knows someone who knows what they are doing.

    • Raven

      I accept your challenge. I do it all of the time. The thing is that what you are describing only happened on older 2.X based devices. Anything that is 3.X or greater (Honeycomb, Ice Cream Sandwich, Jellybean) DOES NOT DO THAT any more. Newer Android devices keep all of the app data internally and the only thing on the MicroSD card is media that you specifically put there which is just fine by me.

  • Shimster

    No sd slot is to force cloud storage. No removable battery is to force you to replace phone entirely or send phone to manufacturer to over pay for another battery. Batteries dont last more than a year and a half of recharging and they know it… Its all about money.

    • Shimster

      It may work with Hyple loving sheeple. But, it isnt going to fly with competent Android users. Nexus 4 is a fail from the get go.

  • METAL MANIAC

    I get the idea that its about the additional storage capacity….but again OPEN UP YOU MICRO SD IN A REGULAR COMPUTER AND YOU’LL BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT HE’S REFERRING TO…ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WITH CARDS 16 GIG’S AND UP, BECAUSE THE LARGER THE CARD THE EXTRA CRAP WILL BE THERE.

    • Raven

      The thing is that what you are describing only happened on older 2.X
      based devices. Anything that is 3.X or greater (Honeycomb, Ice Cream
      Sandwich, Jellybean) DOES NOT DO THAT any more. Newer Android devices
      keep all of the app data internally and the only thing on the MicroSD
      card is media that you specifically put there which is just fine by me.

  • JT

    Well, it looks like the people have spoken. Not just on this message board but several boards on this same topic about the sd card. So, my question to Mr. Duarte, what are your thought’s on the overwhelming majority of Android user that want the sd slot option???

  • mikkej2k

    WHAT NEXT?
    Let’s limit screen size to ohhh, 4 inches.
    Let’s lock the phone down. Completely.
    Let’s double the price and increase the marketing.
    Let’s eliminate low level models of Android devices.

    I bet there is NO confusion now.

    • Duarte

      FINALLY. Someone speaking sense here.

    • Google isn’t going to double the price. Ever since the first Nexus1 the prices for them have driven down significantly. What started out as $529.99 for the N1 is now $349.99 for the Nexus 4 and was the price for the Galaxy Nexus, However I forgot how much The Nexus S was out of contract. I think it was around $429 or something of the sort.

      Marketing will need to increase so that Google doesn’t lose out financially for selling these things so cheap.

      Android is the one that drove up screen size so unlikely that google would back track on that.

      Nexus are meant to be Dev devices so they aren’t going to lock it down.

      Eliminating low level Android Devices wouldn’t happen even if google wanted that. Android is a free system any manufacturer can use and make necessary changes to be put on anything.

      • mikkej2k

        What I am describing is an Iphone and its ecosystem. Not Nexus. Sarcasm.

  • Rob Daman

    it’s all about control and money. they just won’t admit it.

    • Except that prior reports have shown that the parts for a nexus and the labor equal the price of what google sell it to us for. Google is selling for no profit essentially because there are other ways to make money from Android. If its about control and money they wouldn’t be selling it so cheap to us directly.

  • kenbr1960

    If you only want to use phone memory just don’t put an SD card in the thing! IMHO that is about the most stupid explanation he could have come up with. I sure hope they have a secret agenda such as forcing you to use online storage. If they really believe his argument I don’t have much hope for future Nexus devices.

  • Guest

    As a salesman, this is a crucial feature. It sounds crazy, but most people actually don’t know where their stuff is being saved. It makes it much more difficult for me. When you upgrade a phone, in an ideal scenario, I export contacts to your SD card and move it and your pics and videos are all moved with it. That is rarely the case. Most people can’t grasp the concept of using a computer to move pictures to the new phone.

    Aside from the difficulty it causes me not having one at all, consumers will not and do not take this explanation. To a designer, it makes sense. To a consumer, they see less storage and more complication in switching phones. My store has literally sold less than 10 HTC One S’s since it came out. We mentioned this to our Samsung rep and he said that from what they have taken in, people like three things: removable battery, removable storage and a physical home button. He said that as far as they have planned, they do not plan on taking these things away.

    It is hard to fathom how most consumers shop. Most everyone on this site chooses a phone based on preference to screen size and brand as well as speed. Most shoppers that I see base it on look and price.

  • GwapoAko

    Just make 32 and 64GB phones that’s it!!!

    • Danny Lewis

      Yeah, FFS, if they are so butthurt about offering a SD cart slot, then just provide more flash memory.

    • JBLmobileG1

      That would work if they completely got rid of sd cards altogether, but even then, 32gb would have to be the bare minimum for me. My SIII is the 32gb model and it’s already almost full and yet doesn’t contain any of my pictures, music, or video. If they do plan on never releasing another Android phone with an SD slot they better up the memory because to me 16gb isn’t enough at all. In fact apps etc will get bigger as time goes on so eventually you’ll run out of room. Smartphones and Tablets are gaining ground over computers and may one day replace them. Who’s to say in another few years we don’t end up having phones with 1TB of memory in them. It’s possible and will probably happen sooner or later. You may think I am going overboard but I bet 5 years ago you would have never believed that a cell phone would have a 1.5ghz quad core processor in them either… or even 2gb of ram. It will happen, and with the way the electronic world is today it’ll be here before you know it.

  • Deadeye37

    Google: You should have your photos and music saved to the cloud. You can download it when you need it.

    Me:
    Like on that road trip through the middle of no where to my
    Grandparents who live in the middle rural town USA? HA! I had data for
    about a half hour. So much for all my music in my dropbox. I wish my
    Grandparents could’ve seen those pictures I took of my kids.
    Unfortunately, they are in my dropbox also.

    Google: Well, at least you’re not confused by having to deal with a microSD card in your phone.

    Me: F*** You Google.

    To avoid getting frustrated over this, I’ll just get the SGSIII instead.

  • trife

    That shirt though. That. Shirt.

  • Larry

    An SD slot should be an option. If it’s too confusing for some then they just simply don’t use it. The rest of us that aren’t confused can enjoy a better phone experience. Now you have a phone for everybody.
    The one thing we’re not confused about is that we know you want to force us to use your cloud services by taking away the SD slot. See, we’re a little smarter than you thought.

  • I see Matias decided to shave and comb himself today.

    SD cards don’t bother me anymore since I got used to cloud storage on the One S and its limited 16GB’s. Only apps take up my memory these days, pictures, music, files, are all a data signal away. We just have to apparently adapt to what Google and Apple think is old technology, and learn to go “digital” … I’d still like an SD option on my phone, or an Optical drive on my desktop, but don’t expect it from these two.

  • WW

    The problem with that BS answer about SD cards is that most non-Nexus mid to high (maybe even most low end ones) end Android phones DO include expandable memory. Also, the technical savvy of Nexus users is already significantly higher than average so saying they have to dumb down the Nexus for their users is complete horseshit.

  • Rob

    Yeah, it’s an explanation about no SD. But if you go that route you have to offer more than 16GB!

  • redman12

    They have to offer 32GB, I have 19GB of music.

    • mingkee

      Now I even need 64Gb or more for downloaded TV episodes (400MB each).

      • guest

        400MB each for a TV show is so overkill for a phone it boggles the mind

  • Ne0

    Lame excuse, is like selling a car without radio because is gonna confuse with your cd player.

  • NuShrike

    Just like how Google decided 8GB (instead of 32GB) was enough cake for the Nexus 7, market killed them on that, and now they’re silently walking that back.

    They could’ve instead made microSD mountable by MTP as the better hybrid, but they rather be lazy and spout reality bubbles..

    • mingkee

      This is a reason why I chose Galaxy Tab over Nexus 7.
      Even though it only has 8GB of internal storage, you can use SD card or USB flash drive with optional OTG adapter.
      Can Nexus 7 do that?

  • Rich

    Kind of surprised that this guy didn’t go full Apple and say “You’re storing it wrong.”

  • CEW

    Trust me Duarte, a good majority of people buying any Nexus series know about Android and how it works. Don’t dumb down a product that could potentially be great because some people don’t know what a SD card is. If they don’t know, they have no business buying the phone. Period.

  • JBLmobileG1

    I find the whole answer to the no sd card question ridiculous. The real answer is because they want you to use the cloud as well as up your data package through your cellular carrier, unless you have an unlimited plan. Personally I like having an sd card option because I can store my music, pictures, videos, etc. while using the internal phone memory for the apps. Heck I own the 32gb Samsung Galaxy SIII and believe it or not it’s almost completely full of apps, 200 exactly, which is why I purchased the 64gb micro sd card for everything else. I don’t personally like using cloud base storage because I have a limited amount of data, plus I don’t trust storing my personal information on someone else’s computer, which is what cloud based storage technically is. I also work in retail and where I work people like to bring their phones in to take pictures. I must say, it is much easier for the customer to just pull out the sd card from their phone to print pictures than to try to locate them on their smartphone. I am sure the same applies to anyone printing from home as well. All in all I know everything will probably end up cloud based in the future but I believe there will always be room for some type of physical drive for storage and the micro sd card is one of them.

  • Nick

    I’m glad there is no SD card slot. Considering that I can store my music, movies, and docs in the cloud I don’t know what, besides apps would fill it up. With 16GB I should be fine loading all my apps. Everything else is going to be in cloud storage anyway.

    • mingkee

      Watch out your data usage with cloud where wifi is not available.

      • GwapoAko

        Not if he has the unlimited data from Tmobile..(no throttling)

        • mingkee

          There’s another critical condition: you have to have internet connection in order to retrive files.

  • VEC

    That SD card response is an absolute joke! Who does he think he’s talking to? I’m insulted by that response to! That’s a real joke!

  • $21107870

    These guys are wrong about SD cards. He’s kinda right that it is a power user feature that may be confusing to some, but that could easily be handled by software settings and defaults if you have the right usability people speccing it out.

  • thepanttherlady

    There have been times I’ve been without a computer (laptop died). I like using a real life digital camera and transferring my sd card between that and my phone to be able to share pics. No computer + no memory slot = no sharing.

    3 absolute deal breakers for me in a phone are: Lack of expandable memory, lack of a removable battery & forcing me to use a service (e.g., Cloud, iTunes).

    • mikkej2k

      There are work arounds for no removable battery and no external , expandable , removable memory. But WHY would you force a customer to do that? Your OS has an advantage over IOS. WHY WOULD YOU THROW THAT AWAY? WHY?

      • thepanttherlady

        EXACTLY.

        The minute you remove my choice(s) other than to purchase another phone, is the minute you’ve lost me as a customer.

        • mingkee

          Galaxy Nexus is my final Nexus phone and I won’t buy anymore except Google release 128GB Nexus phone for $400 with removable battery.
          Let’s figure out why HTC is going down.

        • I guarantee you the 128gb ssd Nexus would not cost $400 that would be $500-$600 territory for El Goog while Samsung or anyone else will sell $800-$900.

      • What work arounds for removable battery? chopping the phone in half? lol

        • mikkej2k

          T-Monews just had a contest for an extended external battery.
          myCharge Peak 6000.

        • I wouldn’t want to lug that thing aroud

  • gigis83

    i need my sd cards for sideload and copying songs movies i bought off a phone or tablet. i buy to much media to lose it

  • Bob Omb

    Here’s a quote from Google’s Dan Morril, from 11 months ago, about sd-cards.

    “There’s no particular hardware reason a device can’t have both. The problem is that there is no good UI for it.

    One of the core Android principles is that you never need a file manager. Ever. We wanted to avoid the obnoxious “sneeze and a file picker appears” syndrome of basically every other OS. Local data that apps know how to handle should just be magically available within the apps, or stored in the cloud. You shouldn’t have to go spelunking on your SD card to find data.

    The problem with having both internal storage and SD cards is that suddenly that goal gets a whole lot harder to achieve. For a given shot, should the camera save to internal-16GB, or to SD card? Should an app from Market be installed to internal or SD? etc.

    Yes, we can solve this by letting the user choose, or have it be in settings. But then, that’s a file picker, or close enough to the file picker experience that we dislike it just as much.

    And besides that, there are API consequences: if you stick in an SD card with photos on it, do you add those to the system media content provider? If you do, you will screw up apps because they aren’t designed with the concept that photos can come and go.

    What we will probably do eventually is add an import/export concept to removable storage. So the Camera will always save to internal-16GB, and when you pop in an SD card (or insert a thumb drive on USB host devices) you can start a migration or import/export dialog.

    But until we have that, devices will generally either have an SD card, or a large internal storage, but not both. I totally get that a lot of people like SD cards, and I miss USB Mass Storage myself. But then, that’s why it’s great that there are so many devices to choose from. :)

    tl;dr: it’s a can of worms. We’re thinking about compromises for future versions.”

    • thepanttherlady

      “But until we have that, devices will generally either have an SD card, or a large internal storage, but not both.”

      Who defines “large internal storage”? Users are yelling quite loudly that they’d be fine with no expandable memory but need more than 8-16GB of internal storage.

      HELLOOOOOO…Google?!!!? Are you listening?

      • Google listened a couple of weeks ago when I asked for them to put out a Nexus 10 o.0… True story. I will bet that they will probably release a 32gb variant early to mid next year.

        • thepanttherlady

          Ohhhhhhhhh….pyscho, er I mean psychic!! =D

        • How did you know? You must be one of us. Quick answer this question when will the nexus 4 go on sale? and who is it made by?

        • thepanttherlady

          I don’t know…..I’m confused! Bwahahahaha

        • LOL

  • whiteiphoneproblems

    Considering the N4 is only $350, and given the phone’s other specs, I can probably live with no SD slot (despite my philosophical disagreement with leaving it out). However, I would *not* likely be into a “regular price” phone that lacks a removable battery/SD slot… (i.e., Samsung has the right idea, vs. HTC/Apple/etc.)

  • mingkee

    I totally disagree that.

    No external storage severely limits music and video stored in the device.

    What if I have to store 12GB of game contents?????

    • thepanttherlady

      Agreed.

      Consumers shouldn’t be forced into utilizing yet another service to store their media, photos, videos etc. Honestly? I don’t trust them. Look at Megaupload that was shut down by the Feds. At what point will services like this get shut down due to copyright infringement and/or piracy and all your content will be gone? Call me naive, I’m ok with that but I’d rather continue using phones that give me options to keep my files right there with me.

      • mingkee

        Actually, I have my personal FTP server as well as several cloud services, but ths is slow to load such files over internet than load these files locally.
        Cloud is not an ideal solution for transferring files.

  • His reason really isn’t all that valid to me, but whatever. Like @facebook-629220500:disqus said, “if you’re too stupid to realize where your things are being saved, you shouldn’t be using a SMARTphone.” But I think I would’ve worded that differently out of respect, lol. But I really don’t mind. I stream most of my stuff. I have a Dropbox account w/ 25GB free of storage since I purchased a HTC One S. Plus I stream all my music through Google Music, which is where I love to keep it. & that space is nearly unlimited with up to 20,000 songs stored. My pictures automatically go to both Dropbox or Google+ for me to download or whatever later. I’ve took like a billion pics on my phone & I still have 7GB’s left. Plus I stream my video through either Hulu+ or Netflix. I had a Galaxy Nexus & the battery was pretty outstanding, so I didn’t mind streaming either, which most times was through WiFi. When I’m actually busy doing stuff, I tend not to use my phone like that. So I’m typically at home while doing the streaming, or a short ride to my next destination which is usually under 30 minutes. So no harm done.

    • LeeArtis

      We were taught to back up all essential files. What if you can’t get data connection?You really trust someone else with all of your files? Cloud servers, like anything else can be compromised. Save your files on sdcards.

      • I can always put my music on Spotify as “use offline”, & it’s personally no biggie to me. If I don’t have a connection, I’ll just live my life & come back to it later. I don’t need every single last file to view at all the time, I’ll have some backed up when I can access at a later time, & the most important stuff I’ll have with me on my phone.

  • Thou Khut

    Stupid excuse for not having an SD slot. All the dumb consumers that don’t know jack shit about SD cards already owns an iPhone. Dipshit

  • rodraf

    “If you’re saving photos, videos or music, where does it go? Is it on your phone? Or on your card? Should there be a setting? Prompt every time? What happens to the experience when you swap out the card? It’s just too complicated.”

    Complicated? Really? Do they think we the users are simply stupids?

    The real reason is that they want to save a buck or two so it cheaper for them to just no include a device with a SD card.

    What if I don’t want to save my stuff on the net (cloud, or Dropbox) and what if I don’t want it in the phone? I want it in a SDcard… If they don’t want to include a 2Gb or a 4Gb SDcard I’m fine don’t do it… but leave the option to the end user to decide.

  • deeoh1084

    Alright… i can live with non removable battery but no sd card slot?? that i cannot live with out!!! why is google going towards the idea of their biggest competitor named “apple”?? this is stupid not having a sd card slot for nexus devices i don’t care if the device has 8gb internal memory as long as it has a sd card slot

  • Lorenzo

    Fire this idiot! Give me sd card! Fire him now!

  • needspeed64

    in other word: ” We just want you to use Google Drive !!!”

  • BahamasGeek242

    I am fine with no SD card storage on the Nexus Devices but the devices should be 16GB and UP period. I use google drive sky drive etc so I think 16GB should be standard

  • LeeArtis

    Hey MD, I call BS. This is bait and switch. You want the Android faithful to use the cloud storage. If knowing where all of the apps, music, pics, etc were stored was difficult, I believe that there are more important items that pose a larger threat. Such as battery life, lack of true Android accessories, carrier domination on price and updates.

  • therealmikebrown

    “With a Nexus you know exactly how much storage you get upfront and you can decide what’s the right size for you. That’s simple and good for users.”
    Except those wierd people who like choice. If I hated having a choice, I would jst buy an iphone.

  • At least throw down on some high memory if thats the reason jeez come on now El Goog. Its not complicated to use a SD card you pop it in and you pop it out. I didn’t buy Android for simplicity and to be a “good” user. I bought Android because I respect the complex system. If I wanted straight and simple I’d get an iPhone but I like customizing because Simplicity is only good to look at but boring to use.

    • Browny

      Android is not complex – its poorly written. You are not smart enough to get that.

  • Wtf, nexus phones aren’t for beginner users…. Why would sd cards be to complicated?

  • People’s replies to his reasoning for no SD are hilarious. The small population of tech blog readers must forget how many more people there are in the country/world who know little to nothing about this stuff. Google wants their products in as many hands as they can get so it’s only logical that they would make things as simple as possible. Sit outside an Apple store for a while and watch how many clueless people walk in and out of there. Google needs them in order to succeed too. There are more techy reasons for not having an SD card too if you want to read bout it: http://www.androidcentral.com/why-nexus-devices-have-no-sd-card

  • I hate to play devils advocate here, but he does have a very good point about the SD card slot. MOST smart phone users these days wouldn’t even know where to put an SD card, let alone how to use one. The sad fact is, if you lock the average user in, with less options and less flexibly, the learning curve is GREATLY reduced, which increases the speed at which a novice user *feels* like an experienced user. That brings with it a sense of affection and appreciation for how amazing the device is. That has been apple’s strategy, and it has worked swimmingly well for them. If Google wants to create a “premiere” line of devices that have any chance for competing head to head with apple (I am talking a single device vs a single device, not the entire Android ecosystem vs one iphone), then they MUST settle in on a set of standards so that a user can pick up any of their premiere devices and feel instantly right at home.

    Now for the rest of us, who actually care about flexibility, expandability, & customizeability, the good news is, we have options! And as long as we keep forking out the cash to buy the flexibility, then we have nothing to worry about.

    For me, as much of an issue is the sd card, I find issue with the fixed battery. That has ALWAYS been the first thing for me to go. Being able to replace & upgrade my batteries has been my only saving grace with my phones!

    • thepanttherlady

      And as others have pointed out, Google can still give the option to those of us who want it by providing a memory card slot but not the card. It would make everyone from the novice to most experience user happy, yes?

      • Duarte

        No. Then users will wonder what they are missing with a slot being vacant. Plus it takes up space. Oh and before you chime in with “oh come on how much space…blah blah”, only ask if you understand design. Bottom line – You dont have to buy the Nexus. Yes?

        • mikkej2k

          You don’t have to buy a house with a closet , or a car with a trunk , or pants with pockets.

          I know – instead of these HUGE remote controls for our TVs , let’s stop wasting space for batteries and make them really tiny with cords leading to power outlets.

    • Hesster

      Do you really think the clueless users that would be confused with SD cards are buying Nexus devices? Heck no. They’re buying the contract phones from the carriers.

      And seriously, the concept isn’t THAT hard to understand. It would be like the PC manufacturers deciding having multiple hard drives confuses people and removing all the extra SATA controllers on their motherboards.

  • yourmomsbf

    @nick

    I think alot of people here have a reasonable reason to be upset, but I also think alot of people here are new to the nexus line. The nexus brand have never had microsd card slots, to my knowledge. The whole point of the Nexus brand is that this is what Google visions Android to be. Now they have given the OEM’s the freedom to add micro sd slots to their devices. But Google is all about the cloud. I mean really how many of us here still pay in cash, or mail letters, or pay bills at the actual business. A small number of us. Most of us go online and do all those things or use debit/credit cards. They want the user to experience Android in their vision and use their services. So you need more memory, there’s Google drive, dropbox, I mean so many cloud lockers now. “yea but my bandwidth is blah blah.” well thats why you are on T-mobile,or should be because they have great prices and are unlimited. So say we all!

    • mikkej2k

      The Nexus One has a micro SD card slot.

  • On a theoretical level, I am disappointed with the Apple-ization of Android products and less choice. But for myself, I don’t miss the SD card on my GNexus at all. Judging by the comments, I might be in a distinct minority on this issue though. 16GB is plenty for me. I use Dropbox, Google Music/Drive, and other streaming services, and 90 percent of my life is spent at home or at work with Wi-Fi, so I have no connectivity problems accessing my data. Syncing/moving files wirelessly or with a standard micro-usb cable is easy and makes having removable media not as necessary.

    On past, and admittedly crappier, phones, I’ve had a bad experience with SD cards, especially when the phone had low internal storage (1-4GB) and then I throw in a large SD card to compensate. The internal storage would fill up with apps and certain media, and then I would try to clear space by moving some large apps to the SD cards, but then not all of them worked properly, associated widgets would break, etc. Also, some programs would save files/pics/media to the SD card and others to the internal storage, which was a pain at times. While fixable through settings and careful monitoring, I just like the ease of having one place where everything is saved.

    The real issue to me, given how cheap storage has become in general, why they don’t offer more space for a reasonable price. Why not a 32GB N4? It’d probably add an additional $10 to the manufacturing costs, make most people forget about the lack of an SD card, and sell like hot cakes.

  • Jimmy

    What a load of. Crap, that’s like saying everyone likes cars but they are too confusing for most people so from now on everyone must take the bus.
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    I guess Google no longer markets to the smart consumer,,,,, if i wanted a smart phone that was built for dummies i would. Just buy an iphone

  • One of the points of the launch announcement was about how you could choose the right Nexus for you, and do so by having 1 device…

    I would have to get a N7 and the N4 because I will inevitably run out of storage, as I have. (And even with the 32Gb N7 having 3G capability, who really wants a 7″ phone?) And Like I do now, I have to use my Nook for any movies I watch on the way to work, and the phone for music while I’m reading books & magazines, on the Nook or phone. Reducing the amount of storage on my phone just forces me to use multiple devices.

    Now, the phone will be almost exclusive for aps and phone calls. For my (4) Gmail accounts, Yahoo account, Google Music, and music in general, GDrive documents, books, games, and movies, I’ll have to relegate that to a 32Gb N7.

    Stuff like this really makes me wish for a Nexus Note. I’m going to get the N4, simply because I’ve been craving a Nexus phone for years, through Google BTW, I’m selling the Nook & my GS2 to finance both purchases, how much do you want to bet Google & LG hits us with a 32Gb N4?

  • remister

    I have experienced a broken SD card (thanks Asus Transformer Prime), Luckily all my photos were saved due to the Google+’s Instant Upload Feature. So in that sense, no SD cards are not needed, just onboard 32GB minimum storage :P

  • somewhere

    Cloud services are awesome.

    • mikkej2k

      If you can connect. No matter how good your network is a connection is not always guaranteed.

  • nycplayboy78

    Well damn…Next time don’t hold back just call us users dumb stoopid fucks….LAWD!!!!

    “Everybody likes the idea of having an SD card, but in reality it’s just confusing for users. Your Nexus has a fixed amount of space and your apps just seamlessly use it for you without you ever having to worry about files or volumes or any of that techy nonsense left over from the paleolithic era of computing.”

  • TatDude806

    I look at Matias Duarte’s shirt and think to myself…. Parker Lewis Can’t Lose!

    • mikkej2k

      Yes he can loose – with THAT shirt!

  • Coup D.

    Yeah, right! Having two places to save is too confusing for someone with a handheld computer. I have an idea to make it even simpler, turn the handheld computer into a simple phone with big buttons. That should take care of the minimum denominator.

    And for those of us that have more experience give us choice. No choice is the main characteristic of a dictatorship. Google wouldn’t want to be associated with dictators like Apple does, would it?

  • Coup D.

    OH! Wait… Matias is from Chile… He should be well aware of the maladies of a dictatorship. Unless of course, he is Pinochet’s son which would then explain why he was born on the same year that the generalissimo took power in Chile.

    Since he couldn’t take over the country after his dad, he’s now trying to take over the world through Google’s “no evil, no choice” motto…rola!

  • ky

    This is complete BS!!! The reason that we choose Android over iOS is due to options and features, and this is even supposed to be a “developer” phone!!!

  • kev2684

    micro SD cards are hard to use? what the hell are you talking about?

  • animaleyezz

    That means Samsung tablets for me. Damn Google.

  • I disagree with Duatre’s logic, the folks who know what megabytes are know where they put there stuff.

  • Jason Crumbley

    That’s a bullshit answer about the micro SD card. It sounds very much like something Apple would say.
    This is supposed to be a dev phone. How is a dev supposed to trouble shoot problems that people with micro SD card slots are having?
    I realize they are trying to push cloud services, but take a look at T-Mobile’s and other carriers coverage maps. They aren’t everywhere. Especially where I live (Las Vegas). Trying to stream music on edge doesn’t work.

  • Mark Williams

    The reason why Samsung sells so many phones is because they give the people what they want…end of story!

  • BLAH ! I hate the way our society engages ! tell the TRUTH..we dont implement sd cards because we want to focus on CLOUD STORAGE…duh

  • AM3RIG

    Really? Look what happened to HTC!?

  • Wilma Flintstone

    This a a ridiculous reason. A 32GB version is what I consider the right Memory for me but it’s not offered here.

    • Wilma Flintstone

      Meego conference coming November 21-22. An Open Source OS with SD Card Support. That’s where I’ll be headed when they announce availability shortly after.

  • MK Terra

    I absolutely despise the new toolbar layout. Huge waste of precious vertical space, plus harder-to-reach buttons. I was hoping they’d bring the old tablet layout to the Nexus 7, not screw it over for *all* tablets.

    And they do this right after Apple publicly disses Nexus 7’s vertical-space problem! Way to play right into that one, Google! Ugh.

    I pray they change it back, and quickly, before non-Nexus tablets start coming out with the new JB and get stuck with it permanently, making UI fragmentation that much worse.

  • DH

    What a lame & insulting “explanation.” They just want people to use Google Cloud.

  • aurora

    comb over!

  • jaxgrim

    These SD cards confuse me. My mind is to simple to grasp how to save my programs and pictures to them. They just frighten me because I am just a caveman.

  • Josue

    “but in reality it’s just confusing for users.” you just simply inster the memory card into the phone…its not rocket science lol

  • john

    What was he thinking with that shrit??

  • Paul

    “…your apps just seamlessly use it for you without you ever having to worry about files or volumes or any of that techy nonsense left over from the paleolithic era of computing.”

    Instead I have to worry about how much space is being taken by my music, photos, videos, apps, etc.
    So you ASSUME I don’t need to expand my space? Hell, the Note 2 Camera app allows me to save my pics directly to my SD card by default.
    Surprising that Apple took this same approach, and the sheep follow.
    Also, it’s a huge factor as to why I won’t purchase a Nexus device. I’ll stick with Samsung in that case.

  • mikkej2k

    Even the Jitterbug is offering a smartphone with microSD capability. How confusing could it be? http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=11414

    • John

      Best retort by far. +1

  • BSMatiasDuarte

    What a effing cop out on this guy’s part about SD cards… I call BS… As a software tester for over 10 years, there are many ways around this. Total Cop out and I call bs!

  • jwicks82

    What did he say when he was asked “why are you wearing that shirt?”

  • Cumstain

    All I can say is no sdcard is why I didn’t go with the htc one along with no removable battery. I bought the nexus 7 without even reading up on it first. Only thing I knew was it gets os updates first. I still love it not really using it for anything my phone (sgs3) has music games pictures and apps. Hopefully they do add it in the future

  • David12031

    Matias Duarte and Google are both full of s*it on the confusion issue. It’s not about confusion, it’s about Google’s true intention to gather, use and possibly $ell your data. Tablets are possibly the exception but cell phones should have SD card slots, for the user to load ring tones, save photos or use the additional memory for whatever purpose they like.Phones like the Nexus “whatever” or the HTC One or any phone without a SD card slot are unacceptable for purchase, in my opinion.

  • guest

    Comment boards to not represent the majority of consumers. SD card issue is a non issue, buy a different phone. This phone is GREAT for how much it costs, yet people are crying like the world is ending

  • Environ Mental

    Let me just run that through my bullsh*t detector……. “We are having to pay Microsoft too much money on ex-Fat licensing fees and it is cheaper to avoid that by having no sd card. If HTC or Samsung wants to pay the fee and put in an sd card then more power to them but these nexus devices don’t sell well enough to make it worth our while.”

    Thanks for the clarification pal, I get it now

  • I always know whats on my phone and whats on my sd card, wtf is he yapping ’bout? Just say you’d rather promote cloud services.

  • Zombie Killer

    Well, that’s a complete nonsense answer. The internal storage is already divided into the data partition and fakesdcard partition, so just DON’T OFFER a fakesdcard partition — slip in a hard to see microsdcard in a metal cage under the battery — that makes it effectively “built in” storage, but upgradeable if the user needs more space.

  • sounds like an “apple” type of answer

  • Jason Shayer

    Saying its confusing for customers is pretty insulting. What a noob! You all are looking way to far in to it. More storage translates into a more competitive device against other android or apple devices. The mass doesn’t care how, they just want it to work. Thus the success of iPhone….I am by no means an apple user as my daily but got to give em credit.

  • That answer to the sd card question was ridiculous & makes no sense, haha. There is nothing confusing about using a sd card, hahah. Especially when they aren’t being like Apple and making 32GB & 64GB versions of the phone. My 32GB iPod is full, my 32GB sd card + 2GB internal memory for my phone is basically full. 16GB or actually probably like 14GB of memory is not enough for me. Plus, no LTE, and no really next gen specs-May just go with the S3 now