Newest Verizon Marketing Spot Pokes Fun At T-Mobile’s Non-Existent LTE Network

Verizon’s newest marketing spot is definitely taking some cheap shots at T-Mobile’s nonexistent LTE network. Verizon calls this a “focus group” which is probably better known as a group of low-paid actors but hey, I can’t say that for certain. Still, Verizon does have the nation’s largest LTE network, nobody is disputing that and they arguably have one of the best networks, period. Still, I can’t help but notice the absence of any mention of T-Mobile’s HSPA+ network, which isn’t LTE I grant you. However, HSPA+ 42Mbps is more than capable of putting up matching speeds against Verizon’s LTE and is certainly fast enough to not make you look longingly at any other carriers LTE network.

Check out the full 30 second spot and see how you feel about Verizon’s skewed charts.


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  • the man

    this doesn’t mean anything to me.  tmobile can turn around and do the same thing for their hspa+ network.  in that case verizon would be zero.  who would you choose?

    • JBrowne1012

      If only t-mo was crazy enough to do it. verizon easily has more coverage LTE or none before we go after Verizon we have to become as available as verizon.

    • Spanky

      HSPA+ is not available on CDMA networks, so that would be like comparing apples to oranges. With that being said, I would choose LTE over HSPA+.

      • tegz

        enjoy your battery life

  • Booya

    So… Let me know when Verizon or ATT can make a call on LTE.   They are Release8 no calls allowed.  At least when Tmo does LTE (and it’s coming) it will do voice and data (called VoLTE)

    Now lets proceed with speed and ITU 4G LTE:

    Also… ”
    Although marketed as a 4G wireless service, LTE as specified in the 3GPP Release 8 and 9 document series does not satisfy the technical requirements the 3GPP consortium has adopted for its new standard generation, and which were originally set forth by the ITU-Rorganization in its IMT-Advanced specification.”

    • Gouv

      I don’t think most people even care about making calls over LTE… It’s all about data claims and marketing, which in this regard verizon just date-raped tmo.  BOOYA!!!!

      • Trevnerdio

        So, do you just go around trolling articles that look good for Verizon?

        • Gouv

          No, I’ve been posting here on this comment system for a good while. If I was trolling I would have said something like “tmo sucks Verizon rules!!”. Instead I gave a response ad even played with the persons user name because I thought it was funny. In fact many people probably agree with me in terms of the legitimacy of my response to end user booya. Just because someone makes an arguably valid point in a playful manner doesn’t make them a troll…. FYI!!! Don’t go all “TrevorMadden” me!

        • Trevnerdio

          Lol ok, ok.

      • Eanfoso

        They did, but only in the eyes of those consumers who believe what they see on tv, I’d gladly take my hspa + (since I live in a 42mbps market lol) over heated, overrated release 8 equipment that will just lag and die, take the htc thunderbolt for instance, the new droid razor max looks promising but who knows, it’s a shame even sprint has better LTE structure than verizon, with release 9 equipment, but t-mobile wins here, with release 10 equipment, getting true LTE advanced

    • Davey

      You’re a retard. My work phone is a Verizon 4G phone and it has no issues using data and talk at the same time. I use it as a hotspot and I make and receive calls while doing so. Do some more research before spouting off nonsense

      • 3pcssuits

        Its not about not being able to do both but how both are done the data is lte but the talk is by cdma, hence two seperate radios and poor battery life. While vo LTE will use one radio to do both but with a higher fidelity then basic hspa+, kinda like the difference between hd channels and non hd both do the same but one has better quality and is more desirable.

    • bleeew

      But, How long will it take t-mo to roll out lte-a? verizon has the fastest rollout, so verizon will finish first even though t-mobile started first. Tmobile had hspa+ first and verizon was last with the “4g” but now they got more markets than all others. ANd also on my htc t-bolt i can talk and use data at the same time, even on 3g, and im not using data since i have unlimited,

      • Eanfoso

        The way it works (my friend works at verizon) is that the sim card is only for LTE data, in another words, when you call someone that’s still done over cdma same with text, but data is only through LTE when available, then it just goes to cdma where the three things will happen (talk text web) verizon should have waited, release 8 equipment was just a beta, sprint got a little better with release 9, but t-mobile wins with release 10 equipment

  • elijah

    I would rather have HSPA+ over LTE still since it HSPA+ does not use as much battery.

    • Gouv

      sure, you may not give a flying particle of fecal matter… but now that Verizon has unleashed the advertising LTE Kraken, more pressure is now put on tmo to offer LTE some where to make an official statement of release.  Most people won’t know what LTE is, but now that they know VZW has it all the other carriers are going to need to save face.  Verizon advertises during prime-time and quite heavily I might add so yeah…. the real (kinda sorta almost) 4G wars are finally beginning!!!

    • bleeew

      when LTE-A comes out you wont be saying that. Faster speeds than lte same battery life as hspa+

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  • Trevnerdio

    Lol they neglect to mention that HSPA+ blows Sprint out of the water, they might as well just take Sprint off there instead of T-Mobile.

  • Blah

    Calling that “cheap shots” itself is a bit cheap to be honest. They are stating a fact.

  • Richard Yarrell

    Verizon is full of shit to keep it real. I dumped Verizon and kicked it’s overrated cdma Lte network to the curb June 28th. What they need to create a video about is how crappy reception is on most of it’s LTE handsets as well as poor signal strength especially on the Galaxy Nexus on it’s network. Not mention they are the biggest joke in carrier land based on updates for handsets they should make a video about that. Verizon customers are just like iphone users misguided and a bunch of simpleton’s. Tmobile and it’s HSPA PLUS GSM 42MPS network simply shits all over Verizon in every metropolitanarea in the United States. We won’t even get into the crappy as battery life that exist on most of it’s LTE handsets. Case and point Htc Thunderdud,Droid Charge, Htc Rezound, Lg Revolution, and the Galaxy Nexus. At best Verizon is totally overrated. I applaud Tmobile my Galaxy S3 works in ways and areas here in New York City that my Galaxy Nexus on Verizon never worked. If your rolling with Tmobile be proud your GSM technology trumps cdma technology any day of the week.

  • Drewmelcher

    I use 3 GB data a week hspa. It doesnt matter how you look at it
    Verizon Wireless is ridicoulously overpriced. There is no such thing as getting unlimited data with reduce speeds after a certain amount at Verizon. You pay for every KB/MB/GB

    Verizon Wireless charges $80 + $40 for 6GB data w/ unlimited calls and texts  = $120 month before tax.
    6GB $120 month before tax
    6GB plan with Verizon Wirless one phone = $134 month
    TMobile unlimited data = $100 month after tax

    I cant afford Verizon Wireless which is why I have T Mobile, but IF I COULD AFFORD VERIZON WIRELESS, Is it really worth it or is it really worth it to save $34 bucks with TMOBILE?
    Id probably have VW. I dont think it is worth it to save with T MObile if you have the money for Verizon Wireless.
    TMOBILE Deployment of Towers/Network has gaps and indoors you tend to lose your phone signal.

    • raitchison

      You may use 3GB per week but most people use under 2GB per month.  Heck my family has 3 smartphones and we use less than 2GB per month combined.

  • T-pumper WPK

    lol this is so dumb , hspa+42 is just as good if not better than lte
    ive tried ,spint ,verizon ,att
    always end up back on t mob for a reason in ny they own

    • raitchison

      Sorry but you’re dead wrong, I’ve got a Galaxy S3 as my personal phone, last I checked that was an HSPA+42 device (after all that was the reason we were given for not getting the quad core Exynos chipset that most of the world got) and the fastest speed I’ve ever got was 6MBps no matter the signal strength (barely better than my old HSPA+14 G2).  Where I have even a mediocre LTE signal with my AT&T Galaxy Note work phone I pull down 10MBps or more and I’ve seen speeds consistently at ~30MBps in areas where there is good LTE coverage (Atlanta, where I might add my T-Mobile phone (still the G2 at that time) was stuck on Edge half the time)

      You can (and I have) argue that HSPA+ is “fast enough” for the vast majority of users but to claim that it’s “just as good” (let alone better) as LTE is nothing short of preposterous.

      • Chris

        hmm, I’ve gotten 16 mbps peaked on my SGS3. and average of 13 mbps.

        Are you sure hspa+42 is deployed in your area?

        Cause it sounds like your connected to the first hspa+ towers.

        • raitchison

           I’m in Los Angeles so I’d hope there was HSPA+42 available here.  I’ve run more than a dozen speed tests all around the L.A. area since getting the S3.

        • Chris

          Weird. I live in Long Beach area. but closer to Cypress side. I may very well be super close to a tower. But lowest I’ve gotten since I got my s3 was 8 mbps. 

        • raitchison

           Never tried the LBC but I have done a few tests in San Pedro (I recall the first time I saw an LTE signal on my AT&T Galaxy Note was in San Pedro) and even with full bars of signal I’m usually pulling down ~5MBps

      • Sean

         I live in Boston and have Galaxy S III topped at 21mbps, average around 13mbps on Tmo hspa+… i grant you not the 30mbps but seriously unless your streaming HD porn or using as a hotspot for 5 other devices your not going to notice the difference

        • raitchison

           You will note I said specifically said that for the mast majority of users that TMOs HSPA+ network is good enough but that’s a far cry for it being “just as good if not better” which is what T-pumper said.

  • raitchison

    Normally I have zero love for VZW but I have to give them credit for investing early and heavily into LTE (God knows they can afford to invest with the prices they charge) and as far as I’m concerned they’ve earned the right to crow about it a little.

    Likewise DT took the cheap route by refusing to invest in LTE for T-Mobile and instead trying to sell off the company so they deserve to be ridiculed.

    • Gecko

       LTE is only really around because VZW has been pushing it so much, if you actually look up the information on LTE wireless, it’s slower then what HSPA+ is capable of running at. The 1gb per second top end download rate for LTE is for WIRED lines, not mobile. Mobile speeds cap around 300 mb/s while hspa+ mobile can get upwards around 600 mb/s theoretical.

      Side note, every time I’ve had someone on LTE tried to show me it’s faster then HSPA+, my HSPA+ downloaded about 2mb/s faster then their LTE.

      • raitchison

         I carry both aa T-Mobile HSPA+ phone (Galaxy SIII) and an AT&T LTE phone (Galaxy Note) everywhere and there hasn’t been a single instance where I had LTE signal that it wasn’t at least twice as fast as the HSPA+ Signal.  When I was in Atlanta a couple months ago I was consistently pulling down 30MBps download speeds on the note and the best I saw on T-Mobile was 3MBps (much of the time in Atlanta my T-Mobile phone was stuck on EDGE so I didn’t bother testing on EDGE).

        LTE as a technology is still very young and there’s lots of room for growth especially when you talk about LTE advanced (which is what T-Mobile is building out) while HSPA tech is at the end of it’s _useful_ life as evidenced by the widening gap between theoretical and real world speeds as T-Mobile tacks on ever larger (and increasingly arbitrary) numbers to the end of HSPA+ in a transparently desperate attempt to convince _somebody_ that it’s comparable to a real 4G technology.

        In terms of real world performance


        • Gecko

           Actually if you do true research into it and not what people just tell you, the final max cap on LTE advance with full capabilities for mobile service is 300 mb/s. the 1gb/s speed is on WIRED connections. While HSPA+ final max fully upgraded capable speeds are 600 mb/s so LTE in long run is slower.

          As far as your personal tests, you are in bad area, as example in Denver I can run tests on HSPA+ and not once have i gone below 15mb/s and that’s in a large city with a usage base while max LTE speeds I see people having here with the amount of customers in Denver is about 8 mb/s from true tests with friends of mine.

        • raitchison

          I’m in Los Angeles and I’ve done tests in San Francisco, Las Vegas and Atlanta, I suppose all of those are just “bad areas”? I guess if HSPA+ works well in Denver that’s all the proof needed to say that HSPA+ is a superior technology?

        • raitchison

          As a follow up I’d like to update this and give some credit where credit is due, just yesterday I noticed a strong HSPA+ signal on my S3 and decided to run a speed test and was impressed to see 19MBps download speed which is way way faster than anything I’ve ever seen on TMO and while it’s still a decent amount faster than the fastest LTE speeds I’ve seen (30MBps) it is faster than the slowest LTE speeds I’ve seen (12MBps).

          Of course the flip side of that is there were a few times the day before when I was out riding my motorcycle in the foothills around L.A. and there were 3 different occasions where I was unable to use my S3 at all, in each case I had either 3-5 bars of EDGE or in one case I had 2 bars of HSPA+ but in all the cases I was unable to do simple activities like check in on Foursquare (a relatively data-light activity) and in all 3 cases I was able to use my Galaxy Note flawlessly.

    • Kaffeguy

      DT need to be ridiculed but we must remember that DT is not in the USA, T-Mobile is in the USA. They are part of DT, but it is not fair to T-mobile. Verizon on the other hand has invested what? Verizon and AT&T charge too much for LTE, and we the consumers are paying for that roll-out and the high wages of their executives. I’m sure that if Verizon’s CEO was asked to take a $100,000 cut in pay a year he would be looking for another job. So we the consumers and the corporations, and businesses that use these over priced conglomerates are paying for the LTE roll out. The smaller companies like Sprint, T-mobile, are trying to survive to keep competition growing. 

  • Makoute

    They must feel the heat from tmobile.

    • Spanky

      With T-Mobile’s ongoing churn, I doubt that’s the case. Not trolling, just stating the obvious.

  • Tasty Tuna

    Whether or not they feel the heat from T-mobile is irrelevant. 
    Besides this being incredibly misleading, it puts T-mobile in a poor light, but the worst part is that in your subconscious this stays. 
    My mom, who has a smartphone(overkill) mentioned to me that T-mobile is slow and cited this ad as research and even though she doesn’t use data heavily or cares about it, she feels that the service is slow. What?. Could the common customer be this stupid? Perhaps.

    So I had to swing by here to see what’s up, and imagine my surprise that the fallacy was in the type of LTE. Shame to admit that I wasn’t aware of this. 

    I know it’s presidential season, but why fallacies in my ads. Do not want.

  • None

    Now we shall compare price…. crickets….

  • Sebastiaan van den Berg

    Yup, well their 4G coverage is crap too… I believe a natiowide 4G plan should be set in place… not just big cities, everyone wants 4G… I live in a small town but with all these new 4G phones EDGE really doesn’t cut it… And I have a Samsung Galaxy S 3… EVEN SPRINT gets 3G speeds here.. Verizon does too… horrible service T-Mobile.. EDIT: Verizon has 4G LTE here…

  • Kaffeguy

    After reading the article and looking at the commercial presented, I see how other companies may feel. It think it is all about speed and how fast one can download songs, movies, etc. to pads, laptops, net-books, and phones. As a former Verizon user, I must say they have the best coverage, and that was before LTE was in the play. I was with them many years. I change providers and Sprint has come a long way since they started out as Sprint PCS, it still needs improvement in areas on 3G. Their prices are better than other networks, but their WiMax is a joke. I soon will be leaving them since my contract is over and I’m back on the road, and have to battle with coverage and dropped calls in few remote areas. As I stated earlier they have improved greatly. I’m not a fan of GSM, in the United States. I find that CDMA worked better than GSM when cell phones were evolving. I had Cingular before it was AT&T and I had to get rid of them with in a month it was horrible. I have never has T-Mobile. I have heard that they have come a long way. Many of my friends and family have switched to T-mobile because of their pricing and their services have improved. They were already good at customer service but with the idea that AT&T merger was going to take place they slacked off on many areas. I have tried their HSPA+42 on family members phones and broadband plans they are fast. They have nothing to envy in most instances Verizon, and especially Sprint. I don’t think that the technology matters as much to people as the speed they are getting, and less buffering. For my personal use if I am able to download a music and stream, and download Videos and maybe a movie for long layover to entertain myself when at an airport or at a meeting or for work faster than 3G I will be satisfied. T-mobile should invest in getting more spectrum and enlarging their network with the HSPA+42 and their back haul as they have been doing and I think they will be fine. IMHO I think consumers just want less dropped calls, able for their network to work anywhere and with today’s applications the need for “speed” is a must, no matter the technology behind it. 

    • Eanfoso

      So you’ve never heard they have come a long way, yet you said family members say their services have improved??? Sounds contradictory to me, and considering the timeframe that t-mobile has been only for 10 years they have come a long way, compared to sprint who has dial up speeds when t-mobile has HSPA+ speeds, none the less their LTE is slower than our HSPA+ 42 at least here in Houston

      • Kaffeguy

        I mean that Sprint has come a long way but they need improvement on their network. That is why I’m leaving Sprint. I don’t like GSM, but I had GSM ages ago with Cingular before it was AT&T and it was worthless. I have tried T-Mobile and from some family members and friennds phones and I seem to get good reception and the speed they are providing now is good. I will choose a phone when the Windows 8 comes out and evaluate it. I’m gearing toward T-Mbile if I’m able to get access in buildings especially in hospitals.