Windows Phone Owners And Haters Alike, Here’s A Lengthy List Microsoft Should Review

Warning: this article begs for a fanboy war in the comments and in this particular instance, I’m only asking to keep it clean as this is an interesting, if not completely subjective look at why Windows Phone may never be as successful as Android or even iOS without some drastic changes to the software. Don’t get me wrong, Windows Phone has incredibly smooth performance, but is that really enough to win over the masses? Part of reasons we love Android and part of the reason I’m truly enjoying my Android challenge is that a lot of the things listed below are already baked into the software — and if they aren’t, compatibility is just one Google Play tap away.

Before diving into this list, you should know that the list ONLY references software and not misc extras a manufacturer may build in. For example, the sheet says that no microSD card support, which is true from a software perspective, even so Samsung has built it into their own hardware. Just keep that in mind while reading this as there may some points here you could disagree with, but they may be a manufacturers decision and now a Microsoft one.

There is a disclaimer here from the person who compiled this list that says these are purely from the standpoint of a Nokia Lumia owner. We should say that that’s ok, as Microsoft’s strongest effort at bringing out the very best in their platform is now said to come from Nokia’s line of Windows Phone products.

I’ll be curious about your thoughts on this list, but you’ve been warned about the comments!

PhoneArena via My-Symbian

OS LIMITATIONS
1. No true multitasking for 3rd party apps – they re frozen in the background.
2. No Divx/Xvid video codec support. Zune will convert with loss of quality.
3. No mass storage mode.
4. No micro-SD card support.
5. Only support up to 16GB storage.
6. No filemanager. Directory system is totally opaque.
7. Need Zune to transfer files. Zune will only transfer photos, videos & music. All other files need to email/upload to yourself.
8. Your contact details are automatically uploaded to cloud service whether you like it or not.
9. Limited to 800×480 resolution.
10. Voice search is hardwired to Bing.
11. Cannot use any MP3 file as ringtone except those with strict constraints.
12. Cannot set static IP address so no connection to ad-hoc networks.
13. No VPN support for this “corporate enterprise” phone.
14. Cannot sync directly with Outlook without syncing to Cloud
15. Totally closed OS, cannot sideload apps outside MS Marketplace.
16. System font size cannot be changed.
17. Images and photos cannot be renamed in the phone.
18. Windows Live ID account cannot change country once set.
19. No centralized notification page.
20. Alarm clock cannot work when phone is turned off. All Nokia Symbian and Meego phones can do this.
21. The idle screen is completely blank and cannot display time or notifications.
22. Only photos allowed as email attachments, documents not allowed.
23. Bluetooth does not have rSAP protocol which is the most common protocol for car audio streaming.
24. Cannot stream audio from video to Bluetooth devices (No A2DP).
25. No support for full on-device encryption required for secure applications like mobile banking and online payment.
26. Cannot use Bluetooth keyboard.
27. Cannot silence ringtone or alarm by flipping the phone.
28. Very limited customization option.
29. Cannot be upgraded to WP8 (Apollo)
USABILITY ISSUES
30. No always visible status bar for battery life, signal strength, carrier, 2G/3G wi-fi, Bluetooth on.
31. Taskmanager has no option to shut down apps you don’t want running in the background.
32. Search and Back button cannot be de-activated in apps or games and easily touched by accident which interrupt your user experience.
33. Lockscreen need to be activated to show missed call/sms notification.
34. No way to close an app except pressing back button all the way to the first screen.
35. Tiny fonts in messages is very hard to read for those over 45.
36. Cannot create and save playlists on the phone.
37. Playlist can only be edited when you are playing it.
38. Cannot search your music collection on the phone, only in the Marketplace.
39. Cannot close music player, can only pause. Music player on lockscreen will stay until you reboot. Be careful not to touch it in a meeting.
40. No draggable progress bar for current track playing and no indication which track in an album is currently playing
41. Cannot lock screen orientation.
42. Online and phone contacts are mixed together with no ability to filter.
43. Cumbersome dialing with no smartdial. Not able to enter alphabets into dialler for name lookup.
44. Cannot save draft sms messages.
45. Call history only show phone number type. If a contact has multiple phone nos. for a type the number used is unknown.
46. Cannot recognize phone numbers in sms or email to save or use as calling number.
47. Text messages can only be deleted one by one or the whole thread.
48. Cannot select multiple pictures for deleting, sending or uploading. They must be done one at a time.
49. Clicking on the Me Tile doesn’t take you directly to your notifications it takes you to your profile, a serious usability blunder
50. Apps are listed alphabetically with no way to group by category. Can be hard to find if you don’t remember the name.
51. Calendar scheduler has no weekly view and monthly view is non-zoomable.
52. No peak time/off-peak time scheduling for email downloads to prevent unnecessary email downloads at overnight.
53. If both wi-fi and data connection are available which one it chooses to use is unpredictable. User experiences don’t agree with Microsoft that it “typically” choose wi-fi over 3G.
FEATURE LIMITATIONS
54. No video call.
55. No haptic feedback for keyboard.
56. No Swype.
57. No flashplayer support.
58. No support for Java apps.
59. No call recording or app to do it.
60. No call blocking or app to do it.
61. No screenshots or app to do it.
62. No auto wallpaper changer and no app to do it.
63. Totally locked down os means apps which interact directly with hardware not allowed. This excludes a whole range of useful apps
64. No equalizer for Zune music player.
65. FM radio doesn’t work on speaker.
66. IE browser has no text reflow, no download capability and no offline reading.
67. No 3rd party browsers allowed except those based on IE.
68. Volume up/down buttons cannot be used to zoom in camera (sign of an immature os)
69. Cannot open zip or rar files received as email attachment.
70. Cannot send or receive video by MMS.
71. Office Mobile has much less features than 3rd party Office editors like SmartOffice, QuickOffice and Polaris. Shame on you, Microsoft!
72. No native Google maps and Bing maps is useless for most countries outside U.S.
73. Email time stamp does not show the year.
74. Wide difference in apps availability in different markets and users locked to one market.
75. Not all Bing features available outside U.S. especially Local Scout
DUMB AND DUMBER
76. One volume control for all functions including media playback, ringtones, alarms, notifications.
77. Wi-fi disconnects when screen sleeps.
78. If you receive a text message when talking on the phone an audio alert will blast your ear at the full volume set. All other phones will give a soft beep.
79. Can only enter one mobile phone no. for each contact. Mobile nos. entered in other fields will not accept sms.
80. Cannot send/receive MMS without enabling 3G data connection. MMS does not use 3G data.
81. Phone cannot be charged when off.
82. Need to be plugged in to wall charger to sync wirelessly (a funny definition of wireless).
83. Oversized fonts for headings waste screen space and result in low information density
84. Phone will wake up and display sms content on lockscreen when locked – a privacy violation.
85. Phone can be rebooted without entering security code.
FEATURES EVEN DUMB PHONES HAVE BUT WP7.5 DOESN’T
86. No bluetooth file transfer.
87. Cannot handle USSD codes necessary for prepaid users to obtain services.
88. Cannot filter call history into Missed Calls, Received Calls, Dialled Calls, Recent Calls, etc
89. No way to backup or export call history
90. Cannot show call duration in call history.
91. No way to edit MMS profile to work with a carrier in the OS. Need an app which is not available in all markets.
92. Call history does not group calls by contact.
93. Call history does not show the time of call for calls older than current day.
94. Cannot set custom sounds for different types of notifications.
95. No ringer profiles.
96. No silent option (no vibrate and no ring) from ringer menu. Need a trip to settings and another trip to revert.
97. Cannot send/receive contact as a csv file.
98. Cannot backup sms to PC.
99. Cannot save contact to SIM card.
100. Cannot change alarm ring tone or use a MP3 file.
101. Cannot set alarm snooze interval.
BONUS SHORTCOMINGS
102. Unable to read long names in audio and video playlist as they get cut off
103. Zune does not allow user to add or update podcasts directly from the phone
104. Zune can only be installed if you have an internet connection
105. Alarm does not revert to speaker if headphones are plugged in.
106. Forwarded emails cannot be edited
107. OS does not reduce volume of text message alerts when using headphones
108. All photos automatically upload to Skydrive have resolution reduced (no option) and lose their EXIF information
109. Wifi- hotspot and internet tethering not integral features in the OS but need to be provided by manufacturer on a case by case basis.
110. Internet Explorer has no Forward/Backward button for page views.

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  • http://www.brettschulte.com/ Brett Schulte

    #54 is wrong, Lumia 900 DOES have video calls.  ;)

  • http://twitter.com/Chrisizzle92 Christian Sandoval

    well, that list is wayyyyy long but the points i skimmed over don’t affect me. my windows phone does what i need it to do. And its still a new-er os apollo is going to be a big update. Plus how can anyone love andriod, with the constant freezing and rebooting and LAG. 3 points that pretty much kill your over thought list.

    • http://profiles.google.com/wisefire935 Joshua Wise

      My Galaxy Nexus doesn’t reboot, or lag. Nor does my sisters Sensation, my mothers Amaze, or my fathers One X. Comments like yours that are unbacked, biased and completely misinformed, are what the author was asking not to be posted. :) 

      And to your “How can anyone love Android?” statement;

      [sarcasm] How can anyone love Windows Phone? [/sarcasm]

      That’s just it… It’s an opinion. It’s personal. Don’t hate, to each his own.

      • http://twitter.com/Chrisizzle92 Christian Sandoval

        funnny because ive owned many android devices, being a dealer. including the sensation! and yes there is lag, you havent used a windows phone obviously, because then you would realize what lag is. done.

        • 21stNow

           I agree with the other posters, that Windows Phone’s lag is disguised by the “cute” animations that add no functionality.

          Interestingly enough, the two phones that showed me that other phones have a problem with lag were the LG G2x (when it was brand new) and the Samsung Galaxy Note (which still has a small amount of lag).

        • gwhyte01

          What pretty animations……

    • Badger

      “constant rebooting and freezing and LAG” 

      You mean the lag that WP7 disguises with pretty animations? Fanboys like you make my blood boil. 

      • http://twitter.com/Chrisizzle92 Christian Sandoval

        uhh no even with the animations, wp7 is smoother. try swiping and scrolling on a wp compared to android. this is not opinion, its fact.

        • Badger

          No, the animations are smooth, but that’s about it. Smooth animations while the phone pauses to think. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a great idea but it is lag nonetheless. Have you even tried an Android 4.0 device? Agreed, it’s not out on many devices yet but it’s on my phone and the scrolling’s as smooth as you could want it. You’re effectively comparing 2.x to the latest version of WP which is fair in a way, because they’re from the same time period but not so in the fact that Google’s released an update that fixes it xD

      • chefgon

        It’s commonly accepted in the software industry that perceived performance is an order of magnitude more important than actual performance. If your system is lagging but the user can’t tell then it’ll never cause them any frustration. A system that’s twice as fast but “feels” like it’s lagging will frustrate the user regularly.

        I’m not weighing in on the Android vs WP7 debate (I think both platforms are fantastic for different reasons), I’m just saying that disguising lag with pretty animations is a very intelligent design decision and there’s no good reason to act like it’s a bad thing.

        • Badger

          Absolutely, I’m not saying it isn’t a good move, but saying that it isn’t lag just isn’t true, it’s just less discernible. 

    • Badger
      • http://twitter.com/Chrisizzle92 Christian Sandoval

        i didnt compare ios at all, soo this reply is irrelevant.

        • Badger

          No, but you were saying Android is a laggy, crashing piece of crap. Since iOS is so often conceived as “just working” and therefore NOT a laggy, crashing piece of crap I’d say it is.

      • Badger

        Why did this post twice? D:<

        Mods: delete pl0x?

    • Brandon Carpediem

      I agree those things CAN be a problem with Android, but usually only with low end devices. My Galaxy s2 (stock) rarely ever has any issues. Super smooth. You just can’t expect a cheap Android device to run perfectly.

      • http://twitter.com/Chrisizzle92 Christian Sandoval

        i have owned nothing but high end devices, and agreed i havent had reboots. but freezing and lag was still a problem. friends and customers do get the reboots, and it would send random texts out.

  • HGT54

    POS OS!!

    • Badger

      Obvious troll is obvious. Begone, back to Engadget with thee!

  • http://twitter.com/GPKGPKGPK the garbage pail kid

    Thanks for doing this. I was totally going to get a Windows phone… This looks like a similar list to the iPhone 3G I had and HATED.

    • http://www.brettschulte.com/ Brett Schulte

      Get one anyway.  A lot of these items are really specific design choices.  Also left out are the advantages someone of these choices provide, as well as other unique advantages of the OS.

      • chefgon

        If he literally *hated* his iPhone 3G because of similar limitations, the chances of him enjoying a Windows Phone are pretty slim. I think it’s a great platform myself, but you’re not doing it any favors by recommending it to people who aren’t going to like it. If his priority is to have a phone with as few limitations as possible then he should probably get a Nexus.

        • 21stNow

           I agree.  The Lumia 900 reminds me of an iPhone in many ways, and I have to admit, the iPhone was better.  If the garbage pail kid didn’t like these these things in an iPhone, a Windows phone will probably be even more frustrating.

      • http://twitter.com/GPKGPKGPK the garbage pail kid

         If the Lumia 900 makes its way to TMO then I will consider a WP7 phone.

  • MrRadar4G

    Lack of an sd card – if you take pics via camera roll, favorites folder and/or saved folder n you don’t upload them to SkyDrive – you lose everything if your phone has to be reset.

    -using a HTC radar 4g

    • MrRadar4G

      #72, Via Bing maps..u have to tap onto the direction in order for you to know where to turn to next vs gmaps automatically changes when you’ve reach a specific destination or turn

  • http://www.brettschulte.com/ Brett Schulte

    #29 is speculation.

  • http://twitter.com/cliqchris Chris Crockett

    Looks like a long whine list to me.  Been using WP7 since launch and only two of those items are valid IMO… the ringtone rules are a pain and disabling the touch keys while in a game. 

    I also find many items on the list questionable.  For example,  I use Tango for video calls regularly.

    “Articles” like this always make me giggle.  The juvenile need to prove what you have is better then what I have and in turn make yourself feel superior.   A big ePeen does not transfer over to the real word, sad but true.  Be happy that there is some real choices in mobile devices, not everyone wants a sea icons or a bunch of useless widgets that drain battery life.

  • http://twitter.com/cliqchris Chris Crockett

    @ Brett Schulte… That one really made me giggle.  How many “new” android phones still don’t and won’t have ICS.

    • http://profiles.google.com/wisefire935 Joshua Wise

      Fragmentation is a real, and persistant issue. I’m not a fan of playing the blame game, but this is must, the Manufacturers need to quit their attempts to make Android OS “improved” with their silly customized interfaces. They are why updates are prolonged and often not deployed.

      • SumGai

        Fragmentation is way overblown.  If someone gets a phone, most often they just use it and load apps and are happy with what they bought.  After a couple years they get a replacement.  Fragmentation is unimportant to nearly everyone.  A new OS coming out doesn’t make a phone less than it was.

        Would I like to see less TouchWiz and Sense, and more stock, and faster updates?  Sure.  Does it really matter?  No.

    • Derail Doax

      Yawn… All these lack of android updates arguments are getting old… No one cares.

  • Conner267

    My biggest problem is that the shuffle is terrible. It repeats music and isn’t random. I’m considering switching

  • MrRadar4G

    -contacts, manualy have to merge emails/mult #’s/social networks if the contact info is the same

  • Adlerkevin

    #46 is not correct. Makes me think you haven’t used a WP device, only tested for a short period of time.

    • chefgon

      The list isn’t 100% accurate, but most of these are correct. I don’t think he would have been able to find over 100 mostly-accurate points unless he used the phone in real-life situations for quite a while.

      I think the huge majority of the list is moot points and virtually none of them have caused me any frustration whatsoever while using a Lumia 800 every day, but if he’s bothered by these things there’s no reason to call him a liar over it. Different people have different priorities.

    • Bob

      #47 is incorrect as well.

      • Bob

        #103 is also wrong. Where did he get this info and did he bother to fact check it?

        • gwhyte01

          Damn sure are.

        • gwhyte01

          Damn sure are.

  • http://benpike.net/ Ben Pike

    The real question is – how many of these points actually matter to *REGULAR* people…

    I sell the crap out of WP7 (to great success) to old people or luddites who aren’t very technologically savvy. They love WP7 and it’s partly because they really can’t screw it up (where as I’ve seen older people screw up their Android phone – basically because it lets them).

  • http://twitter.com/KSitjar Kenneth Sitjar

    Alot of the points discussed on here a moot points as they are not deal-breakers to the average consumer – which the OS is targeted for (73. Email time stamp does not show the year.). These points are also ways the company is using to save on battery life.

    Other points on here aren’t restrictive of the OS, but of legal or other issues. No native Google Maps? How is that Microsoft’s problem? There’s also no real YouTube app, but is that Microsoft’s issue too? No. It’s Google’s.

    To MrRadar4Gs problem about having to tap to navigate – that’s an issue with Microsoft’s inability to secure rights to use Voice Navigation. This is their way around it until they’re legally permitted to do so.

    This article has too many rumors, misinformation and biased opinions to be taken seriously.  Some points are true – however as previously stated, not deal-breakers to the average consumer. This phone has a specific target audience and they would do just fine without most of this list being fixed.

  • techblogger

    Its a young Os. Somehow, I don’t miss 99% of what you say are faults with this phone. What’s funny to me is the more penetration this Os has, the more these hate stories surface. Its at 2%. What level of hate can we expect @ 5?

    • Badger

      I wouldn’t call it a hate story, it’s a “these things annoy me and it’d be great if MS could fix them in the next version of Windows Phone”. I don’t think anyone particularly hates it.

      • Jmatt45

        It’s a hate story.

    • Psaux

      Young?!?!?! Hmmmmm .. and what was XDADev originally about before Android even came along?  Yeah, Windows Phones.

      • Jmatt45

        Windows Mobile is NOT Windows Phone.  Windows Phone is less then 2yrs old.  Nice to yet another who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

        • Psaux

          My point being MS has had many chances to learn the lessons of this field.

  • WP7 isnt there yet

    The need for a PC to transfer files via Zune and lack of BT file transfer are the 2 biggest limitations that will impede WP adoption in the ‘developing world’

    This makes WP7 a downgrade to many used to Symbian.

  • giriz

    I took my wife to see the Lumia 900.

    She looked at the home screen and asked me why it was so ugly. Then she asked if it’s meant for old people. She was like “maybe old people will like it”

    This is one of the major problems Microsoft has with Windows phone, it just looks ugly.

    • chefgon

      My experience has always been that women think it looks ugly, and men tend to either think that it looks cool and futuristic or they just endlessly bitch about the tiles being off-center on the start screen and never get past that.

      • spartanjet

        Im one of those off center people.  I can’t stand the UI for that reason unfortunately.  Love Microsoft products in general, can’t stand WP7 UI =/

    • http://www.unscripted360.com/ Deacon

      i actually think the OS looks great . i love the tiles .. but the customization is lacking. that’s the one thing.

      • gwhyte01

        Omg stop with the customization. go get a droid thats gonna be replaced by another one in a month if you want customization.

        • HalfwayCrook

          Or he can get a WP7, you know, those things that have been collecting dust, those things that nobody want, the ones with the fugly os

        • http://www.unscripted360.com/ Deacon

          i have a Windows Phone.  far be it that the customization i spoke of was simply more colors for tiles.  geez f’n WP fanboys *sigh* 

    • http://www.unscripted360.com/ Deacon

      i actually think the OS looks great . i love the tiles .. but the customization is lacking. that’s the one thing.

    • http://www.favbrowser.com FavBrowser.com

      - Windows Phone designer is named one of country’s most creative

      Yeah, maybe your wife is the one who needs to check her taste, self perception and ego too

      • souggie

        Dude chill, that’s his wife, and that’s her opinion, don’t disrespect his wife like that. Engage in mature conversation like an adult

      • HalfwayCrook

        You’re fucking pathetic, lol. Just because a desinger is deemed creative by a group or entity (which is actually based on opinion, not fact) doesnt mean everything he or she does is creative. Not to mention, something can be create but at the same time fucking ugly (see: WP7). It’s so sad that you took his comment so personally that you felt like you had to reply just to insult her. Wow.

  • Deadeye37

    Glad I use Android.  About a quarter of those customization things listed are things I use frequently with my phone.  The biggest customization app that I use all the time is the Alarm Clock Plus.  I have some nice classical music wake me every morning at 5:30 with a snooze time of 10 minutes.  For times I wake up earlier, I have a bright happy song wake me up, but I have to do some math to turn off my alarm.  Its a big step up from a regular alarm clock.

    On the other hand, I can see my wife & mother-in-law (both dumb phone users that are thinking about getting a smart phone) liking Windows Phone.  They want something simple and streamlined, which it sounds like WP is.

  • chefgon

    “One volume control for all functions including media playback, ringtones, alarms, notifications.”

    This might be my single favorite feature of the OS. I adore the simplicity of it. I always feel like I’m in total control of my phone’s volume, unlike my old Android phone which was completely unpredictable because it had 3 or 4 different volume controls that weren’t easily accessible.

    • jessejames111981

       a small middle button on the volume rocker could bring up a menu to switch between different volumes?

    • Kithros

      Thats the beauty of android, they ( most of them) have a check box that allows the main volume to control all the rest. one to rule them all per se.  but for people like me I like the multiple volume control, Maybe I want to play my game full blast with out being interupted by an SMS.

    • gwhyte01

      Actually if you notice, when adjusting the volume while idle meter goes to 30, while one a call it goes to 10…..I love that. In android that got kind of confusing considering I know phones like the back of my hand.

  • Horace

    I think Windows Phone will do fine do to its simplicity alone . The only thing it is really lacking is apps . Im sure alot of what has been listed as negatives will be addressed with the Apollo update which is supposed to be massive . I am really wanting the spectrum refarming to hit ATL so I can get an international Lumia 800 off contract . I just can’t bring myself to get a 710 though I enjoyed playing with it .

  • whiteiphoneproblems

    “Phone cannot be charged when off.” <– Is this true? If so, that's messed up…

    • chefgon

      It’s not true. What he’s talking about is that plugging it in while it’s off will automatically turn it on. It’s sort of annoying, but many Android phones do it too. If you turn it back off again when it’s already connected to the charger it will continue charging.

    • http://twitter.com/GPKGPKGPK the garbage pail kid

       If I remember correctly the iPhone 3G did the same thing. You could not turn it off while it was plugged in.

    • http://www.unscripted360.com/ Deacon

      yes it’s true .. your phone will turn on if off and you try to charge it .. it won’t allow you to power off and charge. not even if you power off while charging .. it’ll just wake up again.

  • NewZ05

    There are a lot of points brought up in this article that I wasnt aware of before beginning to sell the Lumia or any Windows phones in general. Very informative article.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_X2JLTJL4QNXTG4W7AV6E2NEW4E Black First Name

    They will say its ‘by design’. And the other thing are  ‘features’.

    Manufucaturers of Winphone have already slowed production “again”. Manufacturers of WinP are debating whether to manufacure their products again, as whomever partners and only produces their devices usually go out of business. If noone is buying their phone the manufacture losses MORE than MS. Why would a company gamble it entire profit on software that was developed by temps of less than five people. Manufacturers should first tour their development team and understand that MSFT does not develop anymore and after its released, nothing is added.
    What you see is what you get.

    The manufacturers are doubting it will ever profit from their investment to retool their factories. Its a failing MSFT company. And the manufacturers take the most punishment just being partnered with them.

    In fact if you have developed in Visual Studio, doubt you could find any work as everyone develops in iOS and Android. So your decades long development experience is worthless and have to start all over. MSFT has failed on all fronts and supporting developers have also bailed on them as its too easy to look at past negative experiences, never to make that mistake again.

  • Badger

    I really don’t get why WP7 fanboys are about 40 times as rabid as iOS/fandroids. Your platform has flaws, live with it, the rest of us do xD

    • Bob

      Because no one bothers to write an inaccurate list of iOS’s or Android’s flaws like this. And actually it’s easy to get Android fanboys going with 1 word, fragmentation.

      • Badger

        Really? Depends where you go I suppose. Fragmentation is a bit of an odd one really, it’s incredibly annoying that phones aren’t updated quickly but the older software is perfectly usable, especially since around 85% (iirc) of Android devices are running 2.2+, which tends to be the minimum requirement OS-wise for apps these days. And you tend to have to bring that up anyway… 

        The WP7 fanboys tend to pick a smartphone review and then tell everyone how anything (usually Android, easier target than iOS I think) is a laggy POS and their NOKIA LUMIA 900 (note the caps, fanboys love caps) beats the living crap out of it. Which is annoying. And yes, you get Android users and iOS users and even the odd BB user who does this too, but the majority seem to be WP7. I just don’t get why they’re so dismissive of everything else. And I’m not saying *everyone* who likes the platform is a fanboy, either. xD

        • Bob

          I feel I need to clarify. I was stating that simply saying the word fragmentation is enough to get Android fanboys going. Which Spanky and zifnab kinda proved.
           Really I don’t think the fragmentation is really an issue. I have a G2 and it’s running Audacity Beta 3 and ICS is much nicer then Gingerbread but Gingerbread isn’t terrible and with Touchwiz and Sense I don’t think anyone would really tell a difference. Which is what I was trying to saying before(not my 1st reply, my long winded 1 to Eehouse). 

      • Eehouse

        You realize that inaccurate means not accurate, right? If so, you are saying you want a list that’s not accurate. Why? However, assuming you want an accurate list, you should worry less about making frivolous attacks of Android “fanboys” and more about your grammar. 

        • Jmatt45

          Oh no it’s the internet grammar police.  lol

          Anyway, you should learn some reading comprehension before correcting other posters.  He said exactly what he meant.  You just didn’t understand it.  Perhaps you should read the post he was replying to first.

        • Bob

          Told you the word fragmentation does it everytime. I wasn’t saying anything good or bad about it and yet here you are using the good old grammar argument which really means to me that you really didn’t get what I was saying which I’m ok with. As far as fragmentation on Android goes lets face it, it doesn’t matter. Samsung sells most of the Android phones anyway so that means touchwiz is what the average user is using and I think you’d hard pressed to find anyone but fanboys who can the the difference between gingerbread touchwiz and ICS touchwiz when it comes out. And yes I know that Samsung makes the galaxy nexus and nexus s but since ICS only makes a small percent of the market it makes me think that those devices aren’t the ones Samsung is selling a ton of.
          Oh and Mr. Grammar sorry if I left out any commas or didn’t capitalize all proper nouns. Give me your email address and I’ll send you my comments before hand so you can proof them.

        • zifnab

          Samsung isnt selling an ICS phone until GSIII comes out? So yea, i’d imagine they aren’t selling as many ICS devices… /sigh logic evades this one.

      • Spanky

        Fragmentation, fragmentation, fragmentation!!! Your point is?

        -Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

        • Bob

          Thank you Spanky and zifnab for proving my point.

      • zifnab

        Not really, all you have to do is say WP sucks, with no back up, no words with it, just that statement, and WP fan boys go insane, foam at the mouth and start punching their keyboards “NOOOOO WP IS THE MOST AMAZING THING INVENTED RAWWWWRRR”

    • zifnab

      There’s even less of them, so they go even crazier when someone points out the faults of the phone.

  • fixxmyhead

    damn i didnt know windows phones sucked that much

  • Jmatt45

    I can’t believe this T-Mobile fan site posted this POS BS article.  What’s wrong? Not getting enough hits for you advertisers?

    • gwhyte01

      You should show some respect….

      • Bob

        why should they?

        • gwhyte01

          Why souldn’t he?? post something related to the damn article or don’t post at all. To me it came off as a little disrespectful.

        • Bob

          Ok we should show respect to a post that uses the words dumb and dumber to describe features? Couldn’t one make the argument that is a little disrespectful?

        • gwhyte01

          Did he write the list… no he didn’t some mook on a Symbian blog wrote it. And i’m betting that david posted this article to point out the features that does need to be worked on. Not to chew out the system….he likes the damn system…I would do the same if it would get to Microsoft’s table and joe belfiore read this shit and says hey, we should listen to what these ppl are saying about most of this (not all of it is true). But, I would do the same…

        • http://tmonews.com David

          This is absolutely correct, did I bash Windows Phone in the article? No and anyone accusing me of posting this simply for hits doesn’t read this blog often enough to know I don’t do that.

        • Jmatt45

          Sorry Mr. Beren but there really isn’t any good reason at all for posting this article, that has NOTHING to do with T-Mobile btw, other then to get hits.

        • http://tmonews.com David

          OMFG, stop saying it’s about hits. Do I need to draw it in crayon for you to get you to understand that isn’t why I posted this. Honestly, I think it’s time for a break for you. You say it has nothing to do with T-Mobile while accusing me of doing it intentionally before a sale involving T-Mobile handsets. So which is it? Take some time, you’ve been posting up a storm and giving me lots of hits and thank you for also understanding how advertising works and that one article doesn’t make a difference in how much money the site makes. Helps to understand these things before tossing wild and unproven accusations out there.

        • Fakesubmite

          “tossing wild and unproven accusations out there”

          But David isn’t that what you just did with this article?

        • Edy6401

           David, enough is enough. This is just plain wrong. This is personal . Please ban the individual and put a stop to this.

        • souggie

          Seriously David, ban him, this clown and his wife just want to remain relevant in this post. We’ve already googled the list and while some of it is inaccurate, quite a few of it is true, so stop arguing with with him and his his cosigner, and shut him down, he’s gone beyond discussion and is launching personal attacks, no room for that mess here. Cut him out

        • Bob

          Did I say that I agreed with the guy saying that you did for hits? I don’t care if you did or didn’t. And if you did who cares. This site should get more hits so maybe T-Mobile gets better mind share. I mean come on Amazon doesn’t mention them in the emails they send me. I was just saying I didn’t think he really needed to show respect to an article that referenced so many inaccuracies. Saying you didn’t write it is a thin argument.

        • http://tmonews.com David

          Sorry, perhaps in my frustration with that individual I misread your comment. I’m sorry if I did! I need to stay out of these comments more often!

  • Dave Macias

    as a hd7 user i have to agree with pretty much most on that list and once again microsoft kills the wp platform to rename it wp8 apollo, different kernel, different extensions for apps, not compatible with what they have already, i wonder what’s microsoft thinking??

    • Jmatt45

      That line of BS makes me think you aren’t and HD7 user at all. 

      btw, killing the WP platform by renaming it? The platform is Windows Phone.  WP8 Apollo is the name of the new OS.  Same platform, new OS.  You know, 7.0, 7.5, 8.0….etc…

      smdh

      • zifnab

        Man you really love WP and disagree with anything that paints it in any light but the best phone ever made… Fan boy is a fan boy no matter what OS it is…

        • Jmatt45

          The article is full of BS.  That’s not my opinion that’s a fact.  I might be a fan boy buy you’re just an idiot troll.

      • Dave Macias

        if you really know what im talking about then you shouldn’t be writing gibberish, apollo have a totally different kernel than the actual wp7 that and XNA is no longer the platform to create the apps. Winrt is what supposed to be the heart of WP8 Apollo, it’s supposed to share the kernel so there is further integration with desktop pc/mobile sharing the media framework and security.
        obvious troll is obvious and you totally fail with you line of BULLSHIT, next time give me an opinion with a solid foundation i been using WP 7 since it came out and i can totally agree with many and disagree with the other.

  • http://twitter.com/efjay01 Ef Jay

    Ooh, another ” WP sucks” article. Its like its assumed that WP will never improve or add features. Whoever wrote this should just get an android and be done with it, there’s no law that says everyone should buy a WP device.

    • gwhyte01

      You know what it is…..A while back Joshua topolsky wrote a article saying stop giving wp7 a pass(pro apple). Every since then I’ve been seeing articles like this…..damn shame I tell you.

  • mezcal

    The gentleman that put that list together is an admitted Meego fanboi posting on a backwater Symbian blog.
    Now I’ve used Symbian extensively and had high hopes for Meego myself.
    I was just as disgusted with Elop’s move as anyone else, believe me.

    But it’s over, bro.
    Best to just face up to it and move on.

    I can’t say much about his list as I’m currently running pda’s fully unlocked Tango rom on my old HD2.
    Some of the issues Mr. Meego mentions are addressed in this non-standard rom.
    The majority of the other ones I guess I’ve just never encountered in normal use.

    This is not to say the OS is perfect or even close to being so.
    There is much work to be done.
    But unless something major goes off the rails I won’t be going back to android, meego or symbian any time soon.

  • Mlynch01

    Wow, Windows Phone fans are very sensitive but honestly every platform has its own pros and cons. Its about personal preference, you get whatever platform suits your needs. I personally am an Android user who came from Windows Mobile back in the day and Android gives me alot of the freedoms and abilities as a power user that the old WM used to give me yet with more customization and a more modern UI. I for one prefer having a file system w file explorer options and prefer to be able to customize my homescreen with a background image and folders etc. but that is not true of everyone. I used a Windows Phone device for 2 weeks before switching right back to Android, not saying its a horrible OS because it isnt, it was smooth for the most part but it just didn’t suit my needs. I really like being able to customize my user experience to the way I want it to be.

    • Jmatt45

      Hard not to be sensitive when bloggers post BS like this for the sole purpose of getting more hits.

  • gwhyte01

    My crappy 2 year old singe core 512mb of ram phone moves just a good as your ics running galaxy nexus, as a matter of fact, I’ve even smoked one myself…….

    • davedsone

      You smoked SOMETHING, for sure.

      • Jmatt45

        And you’re still smoking it.

        • gwhyte01

          Yup and i inhaled too….shit was good.

  • 21stNow

    This is a great list!  Number 41 is the reason that I haven’t found about half of these myself.  Hopefully, Microsoft will take a look at this list and incorporate as many of these as possible as quickly as possible.  Otherwise, the next iPhone could kill the Windows platform.  They are both known for the same strength-a smooth operating system.  If Windows Phone appears to be less functional, the other OS devices could clobber it.

  • MK Terra

    Very informative!  This degree of detail is exactly what a comparison-shopper needs to make an informed decision.  I have a similar (albeit shorter) list for my laptop, covering various specific issues that weren’t mentioned in any online reviews, but that I wish I had known in advance.

    • Jmatt45

      To bad most of that list is BS.

      • Edy6401

         What do you mean by BS. Could you please post what items in the list are wrong and why? Otherwise it just means you are complaining for the sake of complaining. If anything in the list at all is wrong, give us the right information. I am sure David will update the post to show the corrected data.

        • Jmatt45

          Mr. Beren should have verified and corrected the data himself before posting this garbage.

        • http://tmonews.com David

          No need, I didn’t bother to verify. I didn’t need to, I put it so you guys could verify or dispute.

        • Jmatt45

          How lazy of you Mr. Beren.  How are those hits coming?

        • http://tmonews.com David

          You need a time out. Stop accusing me of hits, you have no idea what you are talking about. None. If anything, your proving your own theory by continually coming back to the comments attempting to refute replies to your comments. How very helpful of you.

        • Derail Doax

          Repeat troll offenders need temp bans. :)

        • Edy6401

           Ok, I just did some looking around using Google and it looks like most of the list will hold up. A lot of people are complaining about some items not being accurate, but, it seems that does items where corrected by the hardware manufacturer. (For example: – equalizer – not supported by WP7, done by HTC above the system.)

        • Guest911

          Just google for this list and you will find many points debunked. David will not update the article as he is getting hits.

        • Edy6401

           (off to Google the list)………

  • Poisonoussting

    as a former htc touch pro 2 owner with windows mobile 6.5x i can tell you there are alot of features they have taken away looking at this list.It makes me sad to think they took so much away from the phone.Originally, I decided against getting a windows phone as my next phone just because i wasn’t fond of the interface because it didn’t look so much like a desktop screen anymore which i liked alot.Secondly, because my apps i downloaded started having connection problems and became inactive.There wasn’t anything i could do to get them to work again.The loss of support made me think they wouldn’t have much support in the future when the phones get older.

    On a separate note some of the things on this list seem like reasons why i didn’t want to get the iPhone such as no SD card support and having to download iTunes in order to transfer files around.
    Does the iPhone have a file manager?My wife has one however i don’t remember seeing one.

  • http://twitter.com/03redgt Dennis Thomas

    i was an owner of the hd2 on first day and the hd7…heh both bs phones

    • Jimmy_Jangle

       Then why own them on the first day??

      GTFO Troll.

  • http://twitter.com/03redgt Dennis Thomas

    hardly any customization to windows phones unless MS thinks its “ok” for u to do…personally i think MS should stop making windows phones and start making toasters and such :)

  • F1NAL

    Some if these are not valid at all! What a dumbass thread.

    • Edy6401

       Some of them do not, but some of them Do. So this is a Real Thread if some of the points are valid.

  • Jmatt45

    And here’s the real problem with this list.  People who don’t know any better coming here and saying what an informative list it is.  This crap should have been lift on Symbian website it came from and has NO BUSINESS on the front page of TMONews.  Heck Mr. Beren even admits that this is flame bait and post it anyway.  Why? Hits plan and simple.  How f’n sad.

    • http://tmonews.com David

      Dude, honestly, how many times do you have to say I do this for hits. Get over yourself, I didn’t post it for hits and I LIKE THE WINDOWS PHONE platform. I posted it because it’s got some accurate points and Windows Phone needs help, that’s why its market share is decreasing, because of the idea that you can make a list like this. Even if half of it is true, it’s still got plenty of reasonable points. 

      • Fakesubmite

        You’re full of it.

        • http://tmonews.com David

          You realize I can see the IP address and recognize that you are the same person as Jmatt right?

        • Fakesubmite

          No, I’m his wife and I agree with him. :)

      • Fakesubmite

        “Windows Phone needs help that’s why it’s market share is decreasing.”

        The fact that you can make this statement really calls in to question your credibility.

        You know the old saying.. With friends like you…etc…

        lol

        • gwhyte01

          Actually wp7 market share has grown in the us and is passing ios in china. Do your homework son, do your homework.

        • Fakesubmite

          That reply was to David right?

        • Derail Doax

          Do you have a link for this made-up info? WP7 passing iOS in China seems fabricated to me…

        • Fakesubmite
        • gwhyte01
        • http://tmonews.com David

          Except that’s fact, says Gartner, Nielsen and you know, other impartial organizations that track this kind of stuff for the industry.

        • Fakesubmite

          You need a new job David.  Windows Mobile and Windows Phone together have shown a decline because users are leaving Windows Mobile.  However, when you look at Windows Phone alone it’s share has indeed been increasing.  Nice try though.

        • Dave Macias

          dude wth is your problem?? this was posted merely for discussion not to bring your own fanboyish theories to the table, gee.

    • http://benpike.net/ Ben Pike

      Should I call the police? Because there’s apparently someone holding a gun to your head forcing you to read tmonews.

      It’s David’s site and he can post whatever the hell he wants if you don’t like it? Too bad – suck it up.GTFO troll.

      • Fakesubmite

        Get over yourself Ben.  David has a right to post what he wants and we have a right comment on them as we see fit.  Just like you just did.  If David can’t take the criticism he’s in the wrong business.

  • http://twitter.com/LarsKelley Lars Kelley

    Wow, this list is so wrong I don’t even know where to start.  TMONews lost all credibility for me.  For example I stream music in my car all the time with Bluetooth and was a breeze to setup.  I also use TellMe to do text messages with Bluetooth.  Amazing way to text hands free.  I have custom ringtons, really easy.

    Most of this list also applies to the iPhone as well.

    I will never own an Android.  You guys are some of the must digusting people I know.  I will leave T-Mobile and go for the iPhone/Blackberry 10 or worse have no smartphone.

    • gwhyte01

      Na david likes wp7.

    • Edy6401

       In that case, Good buy and we sincerely wish you the best of luck with whoever new provider you choose. But, it takes a disgusting person to call others disgusting because they express their opinions. I hope you do realize that that if you do have a WP, you have a Smartphone. Right? So if you go to another carrier and get a WP, you still have a Smartphone. and If you go no Smartphone, they why on earth are you complaining?

      • http://twitter.com/LarsKelley Lars Kelley

        Opinions I am fine with.  Lies are disgusting.  And David did not verify this list, and as such is spreading lies.  It is disgusting, especially when T-Mobile has pushed WP.  I currently have a WP, but was referencing if T-Mobile dropped WP or WP no longer became an option on any carrier.  Android fans act like spoiled selfish brats expecting everyone to use Android.

        • Edy6401

           Thank you for responding to my reply. I understand what you are saying, but I would like some clarity. I hear you when you say the list was not verified. But can you explain (not all) but some of the items that you feel are false? I am an Android user, I would and do not expect anyone to use Android because I do. I friend of mine works for AT&T and has a new Lumina 900? (I think) and that phone is Awesome, is it something I would get? not sure. The camera could work a little better for my taste. In regards to this post. If the information is not correct, could you offer some insight on it? I would like to know what points are not accurate. That is all I wanted to point out.

        • http://twitter.com/LarsKelley Lars Kelley

          Probably the biggest is no upgrade to Windows Phone 8.  I think its pretty much obvious it will happen.  Obviously Microsoft has not confirmed it, just like Apple and Google haven’t announced details on their next OS version or system requirements for it.

          Others such as no Video on MMS are outdated, as Tango now supports that.  Will pushed to devices next month (Microsoft already confirmed this).

          Other are false.  Background tasks can be disabled.  And you can view which ones are currently running.

          I don’t have an issue streaming audio, and no my BMW is not certified for use with WP7.  Uses standard Bluetooth specs, and even the album cover shows up.

          There are phones that support more than 16GB.  Why Nokia doesn’t isn’t Microsoft’s problem.

          Best way to close an app is just hit the start button.  Hiting back continiously to exit actually will keep it running.

          Others are spin, like no notifications.  Sure if I unpinned the SMS and Phone Apps, I wouldn’t know about missed calles or new text messages unless I was on the lock screen.

          And the rest are similar complaints about the iPhone (like no native file manager or file access).  I can understand why you want access, but I can also understand why you wouldn’t to provide it and overall I am happy with my choice of OS.

        • http://twitter.com/LarsKelley Lars Kelley

          Probably the biggest is no upgrade to Windows Phone 8.  I think its pretty much obvious it will happen.  Obviously Microsoft has not confirmed it, just like Apple and Google haven’t announced details on their next OS version or system requirements for it.

          Others such as no Video on MMS are outdated, as Tango now supports that.  Will pushed to devices next month (Microsoft already confirmed this).

          Other are false.  Background tasks can be disabled.  And you can view which ones are currently running.

          I don’t have an issue streaming audio, and no my BMW is not certified for use with WP7.  Uses standard Bluetooth specs, and even the album cover shows up.

          There are phones that support more than 16GB.  Why Nokia doesn’t isn’t Microsoft’s problem.

          Best way to close an app is just hit the start button.  Hiting back continiously to exit actually will keep it running.

          Others are spin, like no notifications.  Sure if I unpinned the SMS and Phone Apps, I wouldn’t know about missed calles or new text messages unless I was on the lock screen.

          And the rest are similar complaints about the iPhone (like no native file manager or file access).  I can understand why you want access, but I can also understand why you wouldn’t to provide it and overall I am happy with my choice of OS.

        • http://tmonews.com David

          Don’t get me wrong, I like Windows Phone, anyone who talks to me on a regular basis here knows that I go out of my way to post positive things on Windows Phone because it is an OS I want to see succeed. Some of these things are legit, even if half of them are true, that’s a list of things that need to be worked on. Sure we could make similar lists for Apple and Android, the difference is both of those systems are already entrenched in the marketplace.

        • Fakesubmite

          LMAO!! Not spin work there David.

        • gwhyte01

          I’ve seen slow news days on tmonews, hits my ass…..If it was a slow news day, you would say ITS A SLOW NEWS DAY…..I’ve seen you post it.

        • http://twitter.com/LarsKelley Lars Kelley

          I’m sorry David, you really need a reality check.  I have visited this site for years and don’t recall you posting something similar about the much more limited iPhone when it first came out (didn’t even have MMS).  And for T-Mobile, the iPhone is the competition.  I posted a list on my site about the iPhone when it first came out, but I was proven wrong and I admit it.  Technology is growing and people want a smooth experience over tech specs.  The iPhone has grown and Windows Phone is growing to, both in features and mareketshare.

        • Zanefbanks

          People want a smooth experience, not just a smooth UI. I’ve been so frustrated with WP7 at times for dumb little things like not having a back and forward button in IE! Seriously? When I go back to surf the web after leaving the app to reply to a message, I don’t want to back out of it again. Just let me go back a page, dangit!

          Anyway… The moral of the story is that Smooth UI does not equal Smooth experience.

        • Jimmy_Jangle

           There IS a back button, it’s on the front of your sodding phone man!

          Granted there’s no forward, but still, smh

        • Zanefbanks

          You missed the point. If you’ve been browsing in IE, hit the start button (or reply to a message, email, etc) and then click IE from your home screen again, thinking you can continue browsing and then want to go back a page – forget about it! You press that back button and it kicks you out, killing the app altogether. The only way I found around this is to either ONLY use the back button and never press that start button, or open up IE, open up the options, click recents, and find the page you want to go back to. Just add a dang back button in the browser and you’ve alleviated a fairly simple omission.

        • Jimmy_Jangle

          But if the method I use works, why not do it that way.

          Anyway it’s a moot point, as I bet IE10 on Apollo will remedy this.

        • http://tmonews.com David

          When the iPhone first came out…this site wasn’t around so I couldn’t have done that. Also, I write plenty of nice things about Windows Phone, it’s not like I bash any platform other than RIM these days. I don’t even bash RIM, just how naive their executives seem to be. Most people who read the site know I like Windows Phone and this list doesn’t change that, I’ve got a Lumia 710 sitting right in my office that I love using. It’s got limitations though and these are some of them.

        • Edy6401

           Thanks man. I really appreciate the time you took to post this.

        • Derail Doax

          ” Others such as no Video on MMS are outdated, as Tango now supports that. Will pushed to devices next month (Microsoft already confirmed this).”

          So wait… His info is outdated because it has no video on MMS support currently, but Tango when it is released in a month will fix this problem. How is the problem outdated when the patch that fixes it hasn’t been released yet? Lol…

        • Jimmy_Jangle

           It’s actually already available to those who’ve bought the Lumia 900, so erm, I think you’ve f**ked up dude wagging your finger there…

    • davedsone

      “I will never own an Android.  You guys are some of the must digusting people I know.”
      Wow.  A bit over the top, there, Lars.  You are kind of giving credence to the saying “Never give a smart phone to a dumb person”.

      • http://twitter.com/LarsKelley Lars Kelley

        I had smartphones before it was ‘cool’.  And I guess I sunk to the level of idiot to argue with this idiot article.  I have owned it all… Blackberry, iPhone, Symbian, Windows Mobile. And this article is a little over the top.

        • http://tmonews.com David

          So a single article causes the site to lose credibility just because you don’t agree with it? Awesome, I can’t wait to hear what you think after reading CNN.com and depending on your political leanings, that site must lose credibility every few minutes. 

        • Fakesubmite

          lol, really? WTF does this article have to do with T-Mobile? Nothng!! That’s why you posting here is suspect.  That’s why your credibility is called in question.

        • Edy6401

           Why nothing to do with T-Mobile? T-Mobile does sell (some) Windows phones. And he did already explained about subjective posting.

        • souggie

          sigh, David we’ve had this discussion about trolls and and fundamentally stupid people. Never argue with a troll, you lose brain cells in the process. For petes sake the dude said “accord” instead of occurred. Smite the troll and his wife. Block the trolls my man.

        • randy_holcomb

          Never argue with an idiot-they will drag you down to their level and beat you with their experience. 

    • TritonX

       “You guys are some of the must digusting people I know”  – really?  Is it that serious for you?  G E T   A  L I F E! 

    • Zanefbanks

      He’s spot on. If you read it better he says no bluetooth audio for VIDEO. Many of these reasons are why I left WP7 and why I can’t go back. If you know about David (the author of the post) He is a die hard iPhone fan. He’s calling Microsoft out on their shortcomings, not saying everyone should use an Android. Don’t stereotype people who use Android and call them disgusting because their user preference is to have more functionality out of the box.

    • Umang Choudhari

      You’re real professional too. Calling millions of people disgusting over the internet for one article, classy move.

      Also, if you’re seriously going to leave a carrier and switch entire phones because of one article..don’t let the door let you on the way out..or do, not that we care.

    • Poisonoussting

      so i was right there are alot of similarities of this list on the iphone as well.

  • http://www.favbrowser.com FavBrowser.com

    It’s funny that I saw same post 2 weeks ago on TheVerge and a lot of points were depunked, flameboy posting all over the net…

    • Jmatt45

      Old news that was already debunked but here it is on the front page of TMONews.  Strangely this bit of garbage nothing at all to do with T-Mobile.  So why is it here?

      Hits.

      smh

      • http://tmonews.com David

        I don’t post ANYTHING for hits, you guys should know this already.

        • Jmatt45

          Really? I used to believe that.  I really like this site.  But would you care to explain what this article has to do with T-Mobile news?? And why post such garbage the day before a T-Mobile sale is about to start? Had it accord to you that something like this on a T-Mobile fan site might very well hurt potential sales of Windows Phone devices?

          Much respect lost.

        • http://tmonews.com David

          Dude, you know how many T-Mobile customers read this site? Probably 10% of the entire customer base? You think I’m going to make or break a sale based on that? Give me a break and recognize and I hate to repeat myself to you again and again, that I don’t post ANYTHING for hits, but I will post stuff that is going to create a discussion. Good or bad, positive or negative, everything I post can’t be sunshine, rainbows and unicorns. Telling me you’ve lost faith in this site because of a single article is ridiculously dramatic. I am NOT going to make or break a sale because of a single article like this, if I posted something that showed the Lumia 710 was in need of a recall, I grant that that would be a problem…but this is a list of a mix of opinion and fact and that’s why I called it a SUBJECTIVE list open to discussion. 

        • Fakesubmite

          Me thinks you protest to much. lol

        • http://tmonews.com David

          You realize I can see the IP address and recognize that you are the same person as Jmatt right?

        • Zanefbanks

          Can we get a bazillion likes for David calling this guy out?

        • Jimmy_Jangle

           Erm, no.

        • Edy6401

          Got him!

        • Fakesubmite

          Again David.  This is his wife.  But It doesn’t matter if you believe me or no since you wouldn’t know the truth if it smacked you.

        • Derail Doax

          Hahaha. Owed.

          I know I don’t have to remind you David, but Haters gonna hate.

        • http://tmonews.com David

          I don’t aim for your respect, I aim for your conversation, you don’t have to respect me, as someone who does this I know people don’t respect what I do. I’m ok with that. Stop worrying about this before a sale, do you HONESTLY think thousands of people are going to read this, stop and say “hmm, I was going to buy a windows phone but now I won’t because this website said it so I absolutely cannot buy this phone now?” You must be a predictor of other peoples actions. I posted it because every story won’t be relevant to T-Mobile, at least not completely so there are times, as I’ve explained till I’m blue in the fact that there isn’t 365 days worth of T-Mobile news so when I find something that may be relevant enough, I’ll post it. Talking about Windows Phone shortcomings is a perfectly relevant topic, you don’t have to agree with it, I didn’t expect everyone would. You alone don’t make it irrelevant though.

        • Fakesubmite

          Whatever makes you feel better David.

          lol

        • gwhyte01

          I seem to remember tmobile carrying more wp7 devices than any other carrier besides att, and the party isn’t done yet. there are more coming. so whats your point. its totally tmobile related.

        • Fakesubmite

          No it’s not.  And if it is I’m sure this article will help T-Mobile sale alot of Windows Phones over the next 10 days during it’s BOGO deal./sarcasm

  • vensilver

    I am a window phone user I think there is no message forwarding too others numbers

    • gwhyte01

      there is, just long press the message and it will pop up.

  • Tehchstar Donny

    I LOVE THIS LIST. It is just about everything wrong with the damn Windows Phone. I lost my android in the nifty little Microsoft Challenge.   Yeah the phone is fast.. thats because it doesn’t do much. Its simple and clean… BUT I WANT OPTIONS. I NEED MORE THAN JUST KIDDIE EMAIL, KIDDIES SOCIAL NETWORKING, KIDDIE TEXT MESSAGING.   People are becoming more power users than anything.  The old folks home at Microsoft Headquarters needs to lighten up on their job requirements and let a new generation of kids into the company.   

    • gwhyte01

      Lmao, you got smoked by windows phone, and now you’re bitching about it….you just made yourself look stupid. shoulda kept that to yourself……

      • Derail Doax

        :-/ I don’t see how he’s stupid for not being able to beat the shortcuts that Windows Phone has built in to the OS. Plus just because the user of the Windows phone could do a few set tasks faster makes Windows Phone a seasoned and fully matured OS? No. I’ve owned a HD7, I saw its shortcomings and it’s few awesome features. Then I moved back to Android. Everyone is different, but I needed more functionality.

      • HeLLo

        Really?.You honestly wan’t to call him stupid for admitting  he lost to the Microsoft Challenge?.Yeah talk about stupid why don’t quit making yourself look stupid while your at it kid.Also only a stupid person would laugh at their own comment but lastly keep your stupidity to yourself KID.

        • gwhyte01

          Kid! listen here boy, i’ve been doing this since you even knew what a smartphone was……this same exact thing happened when android came out buddy, i found myself arguing with ppl over what it can and cant do and now im doing it for wp, shortcomings are gonna happen, and i for one has faith in windows phone. It was a stupid comment, man up and stop bitching, who the hell told you to bet your phone againts a wp especially seeing how many ppl lost the challenge……watch your mouth boy.

  • MarcusDW

    WFail7

  • Nadeem Farooque

    I know this list is copied from another post but i still tottally agree…I did a lot of research and bought my first non-nokia, non-symbian phone for the promised ‘smooth bug-free Windows’ experience. Althogh it does give me the feel…but the points mentioned in this post are genuinly missing in the WP. I invest in a peice of innovative technology ..choosing over a verity of OS and if i dont get complete satisfaction over basic functionality then the whole experience is lost…Hope MSFT is making note of this…It is vital for the success…or else an enmasse move of the loyalist WP enthusiasts will move away….

  • AnonymousAndy

    Lame excuses. Who cares if you cannot flip the phone over to silent the phone? This is nitpicking on a ridiculous scale. 

    • Jmatt45

      Sad thing is you can flip the phone over to silence it.  The fact Mr. Beren posted this on the front page of his so called T-Mobile fan site knowing full well that it was full of BS shows that he either doesn’t care about Windows Phone, or he’s desperate for hits.  And to do this the day before T-Mobile is starting a sell where a great deal of 710s and Radars could be sold…. smh
      Imagine a potential buyer knowing about the sale decides this might be a good time to pick up a couple of Lumia 710s on the cheap.  But he wants to do some research and up pops this article on google.  And from a T-Mobile fan site no doubt.  Potential sale gone.

      If I was in charge of T-Mobile I’d pull all my ads from this site.

      • http://tmonews.com David

        Yeah, you have NO idea what you are talking about. I’m not desperate for hits but I also just can’t post really nice things just because I’m afraid I might influence someone. If I’m not causing a discussion, I’m not doing what I believe is my job with this site. 

        • Jmatt45

          Except this article is NOT T-Mobile news.  Has nothing at all to do with T-Mobile and is full inaccuracies that will do more harm then good especially since T-Mobile is having a big sale starting tomorrow.  Bet you’re not complaining about all those hits though. 

        • http://tmonews.com David

          Thanks, you know, I never censor comments but you’re driving me up a while with your wild accusations of hits and efforts to single-handedly harm the upcoming sale. Good luck proving each and every one of your points that these are my bad intentions. Do you work for Microsoft? Honestly, you can tell me. Our little secret.

        • Very telling article !

           Big thanks for this article . I now realize I don’t want a windows phone . That list of drawbacks is astounding in size . This is very informative . Goodness I even thought about getting two 710′s at the sale . I think I will save up for a Nexus because of this article . I’m so glad I found this . You can only learn so much from a phone in a couple minutes of playtime . Just a great informative article !

        • Fakesubmite

          Ahhh, a potential sale lost.  Good job David.

        • Jimmy_Jangle

           Best of luck with that POS. No, really I mean it.

    • MarcusDW

      ’99 problems and you just chose one?’

      • Jmatt45

        It’s not his job to debunk the entire list.  That’s what Mr. Beren should have did before posting this garbage.

        • http://tmonews.com David

          I didn’t want to debunk the entire list, I posted it so YOU guys could debunk the entire list. Thousands of minds are better than one. 

        • randy_holcomb

          True-but some of the bullet point lists border on the ridiculous as only hardcore hax0rs would give a flip. OTOH, the fact that WP7 is locked down tight makes things like viruses, rootkits, etc. much more difficult and also plays into a consistent UI behaviour like the iPhone  vs. the schizophrenic Andriod UI flavour-of-the-day. Me? I’d just settle for custom tones for SMS and the ability to supply my own ringers/notification tones vs. the abortion that is the current WP7, short of a dev-unlock.   

        • Edy6401

           “the abortion that is the current WP7″……. I was laughing so hard I cried.

        • Gary

          there are several on that list that are a legit concern though

        • Jmatt45

          And several that are not.

    • gwhyte01

      Htc phones has these features, because i can flip my phone, and get speaker.

  • teddguy

    MS is in the deeper shit!!

    hope Windows 8 and Windows phone 8 solves most of these issues…

    • Jmatt45

      smdh

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DDP4NVH4KFEBZOISPVG6BRMHYA yahoo-DDP4NVH4KFEBZOISPVG6BRMHYA

    That’s exactly what I was thinking. Thank you for articulating! 

  • Dan Goldberg

    I own the HTC Titan Windows phone and love it. I have tried Android and iPhone and can say that this is more modern ui and more stable, with better battery life.

    Some of these items listed are incorrect or inaccurate, or there is a another way to accomplish them.  For example, you can use the back button to navigate back pages internet explorer and you can video call using Tango. I can go on and on like my phone does silence when I flip it over.

    Other phones also lack some or most of these on the list. What about a list of what Windows Phone does or does better than other other smart phones? It is like a Chevy or Ford, Car or a Pick up Truck.

    Some of these are valid and will be probably be addressed. Some of these points don’t apply to the average Joe, like bluetooth file sharing(I use skydrive) or save contacts to sim card(why? Your contacts  are synced via your live account).

  • KungFu_Toe

    I understand that this list is a repost.  However, I’d really like to see annotations next to the debunked items.  This would prevent any misconceptions about Windows Phone (of which there are many) based on this article.

  • Babydriver

    The ATT rep who sold me the phone thought I was just tech stupid. I’m not tech savvy,but I know enough to be dangerous. You have hit on just about everything I found wanting with the Nokia Lumia.  I was so frustrated after three weeks of tech support and no resolutions; Nokia techs told me the phone was defective.  Based on this review, I don’t think the phone was defective at all.  I am glad I took it back per Nokia suggestion, but just couldn’t bring myself to exchange it for another.    Thank you for saying all the technical things I couldn’t say, but knew were missing.  I feel so much better now about my decision to wait before purchasing another phone.  I wanted another Nokia cos’ their phone quality is the best in my opinion, but Nokia got the raw end of the deal on this one.  I hope the next ones correct all the  issues you mentioned.

    • bruce_leer0y

      I hope that was sarcasm?

  • wp7fan

    My two main complaints about WP7 from a six month user (and yes, i’ve used every major OS out there)
    1.  Bing maps is atrociously bad. The search blows, does not find venues and the turn by turn design is 10 years behind google maps. 
    2. The Zune / PC integration is forced and only removes value from the phone.