Windows Phone Owners And Haters Alike, Here’s A Lengthy List Microsoft Should Review

Warning: this article begs for a fanboy war in the comments and in this particular instance, I’m only asking to keep it clean as this is an interesting, if not completely subjective look at why Windows Phone may never be as successful as Android or even iOS without some drastic changes to the software. Don’t get me wrong, Windows Phone has incredibly smooth performance, but is that really enough to win over the masses? Part of reasons we love Android and part of the reason I’m truly enjoying my Android challenge is that a lot of the things listed below are already baked into the software — and if they aren’t, compatibility is just one Google Play tap away.

Before diving into this list, you should know that the list ONLY references software and not misc extras a manufacturer may build in. For example, the sheet says that no microSD card support, which is true from a software perspective, even so Samsung has built it into their own hardware. Just keep that in mind while reading this as there may some points here you could disagree with, but they may be a manufacturers decision and now a Microsoft one.

There is a disclaimer here from the person who compiled this list that says these are purely from the standpoint of a Nokia Lumia owner. We should say that that’s ok, as Microsoft’s strongest effort at bringing out the very best in their platform is now said to come from Nokia’s line of Windows Phone products.

I’ll be curious about your thoughts on this list, but you’ve been warned about the comments!

PhoneArena via My-Symbian

OS LIMITATIONS
1. No true multitasking for 3rd party apps – they re frozen in the background.
2. No Divx/Xvid video codec support. Zune will convert with loss of quality.
3. No mass storage mode.
4. No micro-SD card support.
5. Only support up to 16GB storage.
6. No filemanager. Directory system is totally opaque.
7. Need Zune to transfer files. Zune will only transfer photos, videos & music. All other files need to email/upload to yourself.
8. Your contact details are automatically uploaded to cloud service whether you like it or not.
9. Limited to 800×480 resolution.
10. Voice search is hardwired to Bing.
11. Cannot use any MP3 file as ringtone except those with strict constraints.
12. Cannot set static IP address so no connection to ad-hoc networks.
13. No VPN support for this “corporate enterprise” phone.
14. Cannot sync directly with Outlook without syncing to Cloud
15. Totally closed OS, cannot sideload apps outside MS Marketplace.
16. System font size cannot be changed.
17. Images and photos cannot be renamed in the phone.
18. Windows Live ID account cannot change country once set.
19. No centralized notification page.
20. Alarm clock cannot work when phone is turned off. All Nokia Symbian and Meego phones can do this.
21. The idle screen is completely blank and cannot display time or notifications.
22. Only photos allowed as email attachments, documents not allowed.
23. Bluetooth does not have rSAP protocol which is the most common protocol for car audio streaming.
24. Cannot stream audio from video to Bluetooth devices (No A2DP).
25. No support for full on-device encryption required for secure applications like mobile banking and online payment.
26. Cannot use Bluetooth keyboard.
27. Cannot silence ringtone or alarm by flipping the phone.
28. Very limited customization option.
29. Cannot be upgraded to WP8 (Apollo)
USABILITY ISSUES
30. No always visible status bar for battery life, signal strength, carrier, 2G/3G wi-fi, Bluetooth on.
31. Taskmanager has no option to shut down apps you don’t want running in the background.
32. Search and Back button cannot be de-activated in apps or games and easily touched by accident which interrupt your user experience.
33. Lockscreen need to be activated to show missed call/sms notification.
34. No way to close an app except pressing back button all the way to the first screen.
35. Tiny fonts in messages is very hard to read for those over 45.
36. Cannot create and save playlists on the phone.
37. Playlist can only be edited when you are playing it.
38. Cannot search your music collection on the phone, only in the Marketplace.
39. Cannot close music player, can only pause. Music player on lockscreen will stay until you reboot. Be careful not to touch it in a meeting.
40. No draggable progress bar for current track playing and no indication which track in an album is currently playing
41. Cannot lock screen orientation.
42. Online and phone contacts are mixed together with no ability to filter.
43. Cumbersome dialing with no smartdial. Not able to enter alphabets into dialler for name lookup.
44. Cannot save draft sms messages.
45. Call history only show phone number type. If a contact has multiple phone nos. for a type the number used is unknown.
46. Cannot recognize phone numbers in sms or email to save or use as calling number.
47. Text messages can only be deleted one by one or the whole thread.
48. Cannot select multiple pictures for deleting, sending or uploading. They must be done one at a time.
49. Clicking on the Me Tile doesn’t take you directly to your notifications it takes you to your profile, a serious usability blunder
50. Apps are listed alphabetically with no way to group by category. Can be hard to find if you don’t remember the name.
51. Calendar scheduler has no weekly view and monthly view is non-zoomable.
52. No peak time/off-peak time scheduling for email downloads to prevent unnecessary email downloads at overnight.
53. If both wi-fi and data connection are available which one it chooses to use is unpredictable. User experiences don’t agree with Microsoft that it “typically” choose wi-fi over 3G.
FEATURE LIMITATIONS
54. No video call.
55. No haptic feedback for keyboard.
56. No Swype.
57. No flashplayer support.
58. No support for Java apps.
59. No call recording or app to do it.
60. No call blocking or app to do it.
61. No screenshots or app to do it.
62. No auto wallpaper changer and no app to do it.
63. Totally locked down os means apps which interact directly with hardware not allowed. This excludes a whole range of useful apps
64. No equalizer for Zune music player.
65. FM radio doesn’t work on speaker.
66. IE browser has no text reflow, no download capability and no offline reading.
67. No 3rd party browsers allowed except those based on IE.
68. Volume up/down buttons cannot be used to zoom in camera (sign of an immature os)
69. Cannot open zip or rar files received as email attachment.
70. Cannot send or receive video by MMS.
71. Office Mobile has much less features than 3rd party Office editors like SmartOffice, QuickOffice and Polaris. Shame on you, Microsoft!
72. No native Google maps and Bing maps is useless for most countries outside U.S.
73. Email time stamp does not show the year.
74. Wide difference in apps availability in different markets and users locked to one market.
75. Not all Bing features available outside U.S. especially Local Scout
DUMB AND DUMBER
76. One volume control for all functions including media playback, ringtones, alarms, notifications.
77. Wi-fi disconnects when screen sleeps.
78. If you receive a text message when talking on the phone an audio alert will blast your ear at the full volume set. All other phones will give a soft beep.
79. Can only enter one mobile phone no. for each contact. Mobile nos. entered in other fields will not accept sms.
80. Cannot send/receive MMS without enabling 3G data connection. MMS does not use 3G data.
81. Phone cannot be charged when off.
82. Need to be plugged in to wall charger to sync wirelessly (a funny definition of wireless).
83. Oversized fonts for headings waste screen space and result in low information density
84. Phone will wake up and display sms content on lockscreen when locked – a privacy violation.
85. Phone can be rebooted without entering security code.
FEATURES EVEN DUMB PHONES HAVE BUT WP7.5 DOESN’T
86. No bluetooth file transfer.
87. Cannot handle USSD codes necessary for prepaid users to obtain services.
88. Cannot filter call history into Missed Calls, Received Calls, Dialled Calls, Recent Calls, etc
89. No way to backup or export call history
90. Cannot show call duration in call history.
91. No way to edit MMS profile to work with a carrier in the OS. Need an app which is not available in all markets.
92. Call history does not group calls by contact.
93. Call history does not show the time of call for calls older than current day.
94. Cannot set custom sounds for different types of notifications.
95. No ringer profiles.
96. No silent option (no vibrate and no ring) from ringer menu. Need a trip to settings and another trip to revert.
97. Cannot send/receive contact as a csv file.
98. Cannot backup sms to PC.
99. Cannot save contact to SIM card.
100. Cannot change alarm ring tone or use a MP3 file.
101. Cannot set alarm snooze interval.
BONUS SHORTCOMINGS
102. Unable to read long names in audio and video playlist as they get cut off
103. Zune does not allow user to add or update podcasts directly from the phone
104. Zune can only be installed if you have an internet connection
105. Alarm does not revert to speaker if headphones are plugged in.
106. Forwarded emails cannot be edited
107. OS does not reduce volume of text message alerts when using headphones
108. All photos automatically upload to Skydrive have resolution reduced (no option) and lose their EXIF information
109. Wifi- hotspot and internet tethering not integral features in the OS but need to be provided by manufacturer on a case by case basis.
110. Internet Explorer has no Forward/Backward button for page views.

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  • #54 is wrong, Lumia 900 DOES have video calls.  ;)

  • well, that list is wayyyyy long but the points i skimmed over don’t affect me. my windows phone does what i need it to do. And its still a new-er os apollo is going to be a big update. Plus how can anyone love andriod, with the constant freezing and rebooting and LAG. 3 points that pretty much kill your over thought list.

    • My Galaxy Nexus doesn’t reboot, or lag. Nor does my sisters Sensation, my mothers Amaze, or my fathers One X. Comments like yours that are unbacked, biased and completely misinformed, are what the author was asking not to be posted. :) 

      And to your “How can anyone love Android?” statement;

      [sarcasm] How can anyone love Windows Phone? [/sarcasm]

      That’s just it… It’s an opinion. It’s personal. Don’t hate, to each his own.

      • funnny because ive owned many android devices, being a dealer. including the sensation! and yes there is lag, you havent used a windows phone obviously, because then you would realize what lag is. done.

        • 21stNow

           I agree with the other posters, that Windows Phone’s lag is disguised by the “cute” animations that add no functionality.

          Interestingly enough, the two phones that showed me that other phones have a problem with lag were the LG G2x (when it was brand new) and the Samsung Galaxy Note (which still has a small amount of lag).

        • gwhyte01

          What pretty animations……

    • Badger

      “constant rebooting and freezing and LAG” 

      You mean the lag that WP7 disguises with pretty animations? Fanboys like you make my blood boil. 

      • uhh no even with the animations, wp7 is smoother. try swiping and scrolling on a wp compared to android. this is not opinion, its fact.

        • Badger

          No, the animations are smooth, but that’s about it. Smooth animations while the phone pauses to think. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a great idea but it is lag nonetheless. Have you even tried an Android 4.0 device? Agreed, it’s not out on many devices yet but it’s on my phone and the scrolling’s as smooth as you could want it. You’re effectively comparing 2.x to the latest version of WP which is fair in a way, because they’re from the same time period but not so in the fact that Google’s released an update that fixes it xD

      • chefgon

        It’s commonly accepted in the software industry that perceived performance is an order of magnitude more important than actual performance. If your system is lagging but the user can’t tell then it’ll never cause them any frustration. A system that’s twice as fast but “feels” like it’s lagging will frustrate the user regularly.

        I’m not weighing in on the Android vs WP7 debate (I think both platforms are fantastic for different reasons), I’m just saying that disguising lag with pretty animations is a very intelligent design decision and there’s no good reason to act like it’s a bad thing.

        • Badger

          Absolutely, I’m not saying it isn’t a good move, but saying that it isn’t lag just isn’t true, it’s just less discernible. 

    • Badger
      • i didnt compare ios at all, soo this reply is irrelevant.

        • Badger

          No, but you were saying Android is a laggy, crashing piece of crap. Since iOS is so often conceived as “just working” and therefore NOT a laggy, crashing piece of crap I’d say it is.

      • Badger

        Why did this post twice? D:<

        Mods: delete pl0x?

    • Brandon Carpediem

      I agree those things CAN be a problem with Android, but usually only with low end devices. My Galaxy s2 (stock) rarely ever has any issues. Super smooth. You just can’t expect a cheap Android device to run perfectly.

      • i have owned nothing but high end devices, and agreed i havent had reboots. but freezing and lag was still a problem. friends and customers do get the reboots, and it would send random texts out.

  • HGT54

    POS OS!!

    • Badger

      Obvious troll is obvious. Begone, back to Engadget with thee!

  • Thanks for doing this. I was totally going to get a Windows phone… This looks like a similar list to the iPhone 3G I had and HATED.

    • Get one anyway.  A lot of these items are really specific design choices.  Also left out are the advantages someone of these choices provide, as well as other unique advantages of the OS.

      • chefgon

        If he literally *hated* his iPhone 3G because of similar limitations, the chances of him enjoying a Windows Phone are pretty slim. I think it’s a great platform myself, but you’re not doing it any favors by recommending it to people who aren’t going to like it. If his priority is to have a phone with as few limitations as possible then he should probably get a Nexus.

        • 21stNow

           I agree.  The Lumia 900 reminds me of an iPhone in many ways, and I have to admit, the iPhone was better.  If the garbage pail kid didn’t like these these things in an iPhone, a Windows phone will probably be even more frustrating.

      •  If the Lumia 900 makes its way to TMO then I will consider a WP7 phone.

  • MrRadar4G

    Lack of an sd card – if you take pics via camera roll, favorites folder and/or saved folder n you don’t upload them to SkyDrive – you lose everything if your phone has to be reset.

    -using a HTC radar 4g

    • MrRadar4G

      #72, Via Bing maps..u have to tap onto the direction in order for you to know where to turn to next vs gmaps automatically changes when you’ve reach a specific destination or turn

  • #29 is speculation.

  • Looks like a long whine list to me.  Been using WP7 since launch and only two of those items are valid IMO… the ringtone rules are a pain and disabling the touch keys while in a game. 

    I also find many items on the list questionable.  For example,  I use Tango for video calls regularly.

    “Articles” like this always make me giggle.  The juvenile need to prove what you have is better then what I have and in turn make yourself feel superior.   A big ePeen does not transfer over to the real word, sad but true.  Be happy that there is some real choices in mobile devices, not everyone wants a sea icons or a bunch of useless widgets that drain battery life.

  • @ Brett Schulte… That one really made me giggle.  How many “new” android phones still don’t and won’t have ICS.

    • Fragmentation is a real, and persistant issue. I’m not a fan of playing the blame game, but this is must, the Manufacturers need to quit their attempts to make Android OS “improved” with their silly customized interfaces. They are why updates are prolonged and often not deployed.

      • SumGai

        Fragmentation is way overblown.  If someone gets a phone, most often they just use it and load apps and are happy with what they bought.  After a couple years they get a replacement.  Fragmentation is unimportant to nearly everyone.  A new OS coming out doesn’t make a phone less than it was.

        Would I like to see less TouchWiz and Sense, and more stock, and faster updates?  Sure.  Does it really matter?  No.

    • Derail Doax

      Yawn… All these lack of android updates arguments are getting old… No one cares.

  • Conner267

    My biggest problem is that the shuffle is terrible. It repeats music and isn’t random. I’m considering switching

  • MrRadar4G

    -contacts, manualy have to merge emails/mult #’s/social networks if the contact info is the same

  • Adlerkevin

    #46 is not correct. Makes me think you haven’t used a WP device, only tested for a short period of time.

    • chefgon

      The list isn’t 100% accurate, but most of these are correct. I don’t think he would have been able to find over 100 mostly-accurate points unless he used the phone in real-life situations for quite a while.

      I think the huge majority of the list is moot points and virtually none of them have caused me any frustration whatsoever while using a Lumia 800 every day, but if he’s bothered by these things there’s no reason to call him a liar over it. Different people have different priorities.

    • Bob

      #47 is incorrect as well.

      • Bob

        #103 is also wrong. Where did he get this info and did he bother to fact check it?

        • gwhyte01

          Damn sure are.

        • gwhyte01

          Damn sure are.

  • The real question is – how many of these points actually matter to *REGULAR* people…

    I sell the crap out of WP7 (to great success) to old people or luddites who aren’t very technologically savvy. They love WP7 and it’s partly because they really can’t screw it up (where as I’ve seen older people screw up their Android phone – basically because it lets them).

  • Alot of the points discussed on here a moot points as they are not deal-breakers to the average consumer – which the OS is targeted for (73. Email time stamp does not show the year.). These points are also ways the company is using to save on battery life.

    Other points on here aren’t restrictive of the OS, but of legal or other issues. No native Google Maps? How is that Microsoft’s problem? There’s also no real YouTube app, but is that Microsoft’s issue too? No. It’s Google’s.

    To MrRadar4Gs problem about having to tap to navigate – that’s an issue with Microsoft’s inability to secure rights to use Voice Navigation. This is their way around it until they’re legally permitted to do so.

    This article has too many rumors, misinformation and biased opinions to be taken seriously.  Some points are true – however as previously stated, not deal-breakers to the average consumer. This phone has a specific target audience and they would do just fine without most of this list being fixed.

  • techblogger

    Its a young Os. Somehow, I don’t miss 99% of what you say are faults with this phone. What’s funny to me is the more penetration this Os has, the more these hate stories surface. Its at 2%. What level of hate can we expect @ 5?

    • Badger

      I wouldn’t call it a hate story, it’s a “these things annoy me and it’d be great if MS could fix them in the next version of Windows Phone”. I don’t think anyone particularly hates it.

      • Jmatt45

        It’s a hate story.

    • Psaux

      Young?!?!?! Hmmmmm .. and what was XDADev originally about before Android even came along?  Yeah, Windows Phones.

      • Jmatt45

        Windows Mobile is NOT Windows Phone.  Windows Phone is less then 2yrs old.  Nice to yet another who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

        • Psaux

          My point being MS has had many chances to learn the lessons of this field.

  • WP7 isnt there yet

    The need for a PC to transfer files via Zune and lack of BT file transfer are the 2 biggest limitations that will impede WP adoption in the ‘developing world’

    This makes WP7 a downgrade to many used to Symbian.

  • giriz

    I took my wife to see the Lumia 900.

    She looked at the home screen and asked me why it was so ugly. Then she asked if it’s meant for old people. She was like “maybe old people will like it”

    This is one of the major problems Microsoft has with Windows phone, it just looks ugly.

    • chefgon

      My experience has always been that women think it looks ugly, and men tend to either think that it looks cool and futuristic or they just endlessly bitch about the tiles being off-center on the start screen and never get past that.

      • spartanjet

        Im one of those off center people.  I can’t stand the UI for that reason unfortunately.  Love Microsoft products in general, can’t stand WP7 UI =/

    • i actually think the OS looks great . i love the tiles .. but the customization is lacking. that’s the one thing.

      • gwhyte01

        Omg stop with the customization. go get a droid thats gonna be replaced by another one in a month if you want customization.

        • HalfwayCrook

          Or he can get a WP7, you know, those things that have been collecting dust, those things that nobody want, the ones with the fugly os

        • i have a Windows Phone.  far be it that the customization i spoke of was simply more colors for tiles.  geez f’n WP fanboys *sigh* 

    • i actually think the OS looks great . i love the tiles .. but the customization is lacking. that’s the one thing.

    • – Windows Phone designer is named one of country’s most creative

      Yeah, maybe your wife is the one who needs to check her taste, self perception and ego too

      • souggie

        Dude chill, that’s his wife, and that’s her opinion, don’t disrespect his wife like that. Engage in mature conversation like an adult

      • HalfwayCrook

        You’re fucking pathetic, lol. Just because a desinger is deemed creative by a group or entity (which is actually based on opinion, not fact) doesnt mean everything he or she does is creative. Not to mention, something can be create but at the same time fucking ugly (see: WP7). It’s so sad that you took his comment so personally that you felt like you had to reply just to insult her. Wow.

  • Deadeye37

    Glad I use Android.  About a quarter of those customization things listed are things I use frequently with my phone.  The biggest customization app that I use all the time is the Alarm Clock Plus.  I have some nice classical music wake me every morning at 5:30 with a snooze time of 10 minutes.  For times I wake up earlier, I have a bright happy song wake me up, but I have to do some math to turn off my alarm.  Its a big step up from a regular alarm clock.

    On the other hand, I can see my wife & mother-in-law (both dumb phone users that are thinking about getting a smart phone) liking Windows Phone.  They want something simple and streamlined, which it sounds like WP is.

  • chefgon

    “One volume control for all functions including media playback, ringtones, alarms, notifications.”

    This might be my single favorite feature of the OS. I adore the simplicity of it. I always feel like I’m in total control of my phone’s volume, unlike my old Android phone which was completely unpredictable because it had 3 or 4 different volume controls that weren’t easily accessible.

    • jessejames111981

       a small middle button on the volume rocker could bring up a menu to switch between different volumes?

    • Kithros

      Thats the beauty of android, they ( most of them) have a check box that allows the main volume to control all the rest. one to rule them all per se.  but for people like me I like the multiple volume control, Maybe I want to play my game full blast with out being interupted by an SMS.

    • gwhyte01

      Actually if you notice, when adjusting the volume while idle meter goes to 30, while one a call it goes to 10…..I love that. In android that got kind of confusing considering I know phones like the back of my hand.

  • Horace

    I think Windows Phone will do fine do to its simplicity alone . The only thing it is really lacking is apps . Im sure alot of what has been listed as negatives will be addressed with the Apollo update which is supposed to be massive . I am really wanting the spectrum refarming to hit ATL so I can get an international Lumia 800 off contract . I just can’t bring myself to get a 710 though I enjoyed playing with it .

  • whiteiphoneproblems

    “Phone cannot be charged when off.” <– Is this true? If so, that's messed up…

    • chefgon

      It’s not true. What he’s talking about is that plugging it in while it’s off will automatically turn it on. It’s sort of annoying, but many Android phones do it too. If you turn it back off again when it’s already connected to the charger it will continue charging.

    •  If I remember correctly the iPhone 3G did the same thing. You could not turn it off while it was plugged in.

    • yes it’s true .. your phone will turn on if off and you try to charge it .. it won’t allow you to power off and charge. not even if you power off while charging .. it’ll just wake up again.

  • NewZ05

    There are a lot of points brought up in this article that I wasnt aware of before beginning to sell the Lumia or any Windows phones in general. Very informative article.

  • They will say its ‘by design’. And the other thing are  ‘features’.

    Manufucaturers of Winphone have already slowed production “again”. Manufacturers of WinP are debating whether to manufacure their products again, as whomever partners and only produces their devices usually go out of business. If noone is buying their phone the manufacture losses MORE than MS. Why would a company gamble it entire profit on software that was developed by temps of less than five people. Manufacturers should first tour their development team and understand that MSFT does not develop anymore and after its released, nothing is added.
    What you see is what you get.

    The manufacturers are doubting it will ever profit from their investment to retool their factories. Its a failing MSFT company. And the manufacturers take the most punishment just being partnered with them.

    In fact if you have developed in Visual Studio, doubt you could find any work as everyone develops in iOS and Android. So your decades long development experience is worthless and have to start all over. MSFT has failed on all fronts and supporting developers have also bailed on them as its too easy to look at past negative experiences, never to make that mistake again.

  • Badger

    I really don’t get why WP7 fanboys are about 40 times as rabid as iOS/fandroids. Your platform has flaws, live with it, the rest of us do xD

    • Bob

      Because no one bothers to write an inaccurate list of iOS’s or Android’s flaws like this. And actually it’s easy to get Android fanboys going with 1 word, fragmentation.

      • Badger

        Really? Depends where you go I suppose. Fragmentation is a bit of an odd one really, it’s incredibly annoying that phones aren’t updated quickly but the older software is perfectly usable, especially since around 85% (iirc) of Android devices are running 2.2+, which tends to be the minimum requirement OS-wise for apps these days. And you tend to have to bring that up anyway… 

        The WP7 fanboys tend to pick a smartphone review and then tell everyone how anything (usually Android, easier target than iOS I think) is a laggy POS and their NOKIA LUMIA 900 (note the caps, fanboys love caps) beats the living crap out of it. Which is annoying. And yes, you get Android users and iOS users and even the odd BB user who does this too, but the majority seem to be WP7. I just don’t get why they’re so dismissive of everything else. And I’m not saying *everyone* who likes the platform is a fanboy, either. xD

        • Bob

          I feel I need to clarify. I was stating that simply saying the word fragmentation is enough to get Android fanboys going. Which Spanky and zifnab kinda proved.
           Really I don’t think the fragmentation is really an issue. I have a G2 and it’s running Audacity Beta 3 and ICS is much nicer then Gingerbread but Gingerbread isn’t terrible and with Touchwiz and Sense I don’t think anyone would really tell a difference. Which is what I was trying to saying before(not my 1st reply, my long winded 1 to Eehouse). 

      • Eehouse

        You realize that inaccurate means not accurate, right? If so, you are saying you want a list that’s not accurate. Why? However, assuming you want an accurate list, you should worry less about making frivolous attacks of Android “fanboys” and more about your grammar. 

        • Jmatt45

          Oh no it’s the internet grammar police.  lol

          Anyway, you should learn some reading comprehension before correcting other posters.  He said exactly what he meant.  You just didn’t understand it.  Perhaps you should read the post he was replying to first.

        • Bob

          Told you the word fragmentation does it everytime. I wasn’t saying anything good or bad about it and yet here you are using the good old grammar argument which really means to me that you really didn’t get what I was saying which I’m ok with. As far as fragmentation on Android goes lets face it, it doesn’t matter. Samsung sells most of the Android phones anyway so that means touchwiz is what the average user is using and I think you’d hard pressed to find anyone but fanboys who can the the difference between gingerbread touchwiz and ICS touchwiz when it comes out. And yes I know that Samsung makes the galaxy nexus and nexus s but since ICS only makes a small percent of the market it makes me think that those devices aren’t the ones Samsung is selling a ton of.
          Oh and Mr. Grammar sorry if I left out any commas or didn’t capitalize all proper nouns. Give me your email address and I’ll send you my comments before hand so you can proof them.

        • zifnab

          Samsung isnt selling an ICS phone until GSIII comes out? So yea, i’d imagine they aren’t selling as many ICS devices… /sigh logic evades this one.

      • Spanky

        Fragmentation, fragmentation, fragmentation!!! Your point is?

        -Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

        • Bob

          Thank you Spanky and zifnab for proving my point.

      • zifnab

        Not really, all you have to do is say WP sucks, with no back up, no words with it, just that statement, and WP fan boys go insane, foam at the mouth and start punching their keyboards “NOOOOO WP IS THE MOST AMAZING THING INVENTED RAWWWWRRR”

    • zifnab

      There’s even less of them, so they go even crazier when someone points out the faults of the phone.

  • fixxmyhead

    damn i didnt know windows phones sucked that much

  • Jmatt45

    I can’t believe this T-Mobile fan site posted this POS BS article.  What’s wrong? Not getting enough hits for you advertisers?

    • gwhyte01

      You should show some respect….

      • Bob

        why should they?

        • gwhyte01

          Why souldn’t he?? post something related to the damn article or don’t post at all. To me it came off as a little disrespectful.

        • Bob

          Ok we should show respect to a post that uses the words dumb and dumber to describe features? Couldn’t one make the argument that is a little disrespectful?

        • gwhyte01

          Did he write the list… no he didn’t some mook on a Symbian blog wrote it. And i’m betting that david posted this article to point out the features that does need to be worked on. Not to chew out the system….he likes the damn system…I would do the same if it would get to Microsoft’s table and joe belfiore read this shit and says hey, we should listen to what these ppl are saying about most of this (not all of it is true). But, I would do the same…

        • This is absolutely correct, did I bash Windows Phone in the article? No and anyone accusing me of posting this simply for hits doesn’t read this blog often enough to know I don’t do that.

        • Jmatt45

          Sorry Mr. Beren but there really isn’t any good reason at all for posting this article, that has NOTHING to do with T-Mobile btw, other then to get hits.

        • OMFG, stop saying it’s about hits. Do I need to draw it in crayon for you to get you to understand that isn’t why I posted this. Honestly, I think it’s time for a break for you. You say it has nothing to do with T-Mobile while accusing me of doing it intentionally before a sale involving T-Mobile handsets. So which is it? Take some time, you’ve been posting up a storm and giving me lots of hits and thank you for also understanding how advertising works and that one article doesn’t make a difference in how much money the site makes. Helps to understand these things before tossing wild and unproven accusations out there.

        • Fakesubmite

          “tossing wild and unproven accusations out there”

          But David isn’t that what you just did with this article?

        • Edy6401

           David, enough is enough. This is just plain wrong. This is personal . Please ban the individual and put a stop to this.

        • souggie

          Seriously David, ban him, this clown and his wife just want to remain relevant in this post. We’ve already googled the list and while some of it is inaccurate, quite a few of it is true, so stop arguing with with him and his his cosigner, and shut him down, he’s gone beyond discussion and is launching personal attacks, no room for that mess here. Cut him out

        • Bob

          Did I say that I agreed with the guy saying that you did for hits? I don’t care if you did or didn’t. And if you did who cares. This site should get more hits so maybe T-Mobile gets better mind share. I mean come on Amazon doesn’t mention them in the emails they send me. I was just saying I didn’t think he really needed to show respect to an article that referenced so many inaccuracies. Saying you didn’t write it is a thin argument.

        • Sorry, perhaps in my frustration with that individual I misread your comment. I’m sorry if I did! I need to stay out of these comments more often!

  • Dave Macias

    as a hd7 user i have to agree with pretty much most on that list and once again microsoft kills the wp platform to rename it wp8 apollo, different kernel, different extensions for apps, not compatible with what they have already, i wonder what’s microsoft thinking??

    • Jmatt45

      That line of BS makes me think you aren’t and HD7 user at all. 

      btw, killing the WP platform by renaming it? The platform is Windows Phone.  WP8 Apollo is the name of the new OS.  Same platform, new OS.  You know, 7.0, 7.5, 8.0….etc…

      smdh

      • zifnab

        Man you really love WP and disagree with anything that paints it in any light but the best phone ever made… Fan boy is a fan boy no matter what OS it is…

        • Jmatt45

          The article is full of BS.  That’s not my opinion that’s a fact.  I might be a fan boy buy you’re just an idiot troll.

      • Dave Macias

        if you really know what im talking about then you shouldn’t be writing gibberish, apollo have a totally different kernel than the actual wp7 that and XNA is no longer the platform to create the apps. Winrt is what supposed to be the heart of WP8 Apollo, it’s supposed to share the kernel so there is further integration with desktop pc/mobile sharing the media framework and security.
        obvious troll is obvious and you totally fail with you line of BULLSHIT, next time give me an opinion with a solid foundation i been using WP 7 since it came out and i can totally agree with many and disagree with the other.

  • Ooh, another ” WP sucks” article. Its like its assumed that WP will never improve or add features. Whoever wrote this should just get an android and be done with it, there’s no law that says everyone should buy a WP device.

    • gwhyte01

      You know what it is…..A while back Joshua topolsky wrote a article saying stop giving wp7 a pass(pro apple). Every since then I’ve been seeing articles like this…..damn shame I tell you.

  • mezcal

    The gentleman that put that list together is an admitted Meego fanboi posting on a backwater Symbian blog.
    Now I’ve used Symbian extensively and had high hopes for Meego myself.
    I was just as disgusted with Elop’s move as anyone else, believe me.

    But it’s over, bro.
    Best to just face up to it and move on.

    I can’t say much about his list as I’m currently running pda’s fully unlocked Tango rom on my old HD2.
    Some of the issues Mr. Meego mentions are addressed in this non-standard rom.
    The majority of the other ones I guess I’ve just never encountered in normal use.

    This is not to say the OS is perfect or even close to being so.
    There is much work to be done.
    But unless something major goes off the rails I won’t be going back to android, meego or symbian any time soon.

  • Mlynch01

    Wow, Windows Phone fans are very sensitive but honestly every platform has its own pros and cons. Its about personal preference, you get whatever platform suits your needs. I personally am an Android user who came from Windows Mobile back in the day and Android gives me alot of the freedoms and abilities as a power user that the old WM used to give me yet with more customization and a more modern UI. I for one prefer having a file system w file explorer options and prefer to be able to customize my homescreen with a background image and folders etc. but that is not true of everyone. I used a Windows Phone device for 2 weeks before switching right back to Android, not saying its a horrible OS because it isnt, it was smooth for the most part but it just didn’t suit my needs. I really like being able to customize my user experience to the way I want it to be.

    • Jmatt45

      Hard not to be sensitive when bloggers post BS like this for the sole purpose of getting more hits.

  • gwhyte01

    My crappy 2 year old singe core 512mb of ram phone moves just a good as your ics running galaxy nexus, as a matter of fact, I’ve even smoked one myself…….

    • davedsone

      You smoked SOMETHING, for sure.

      • Jmatt45

        And you’re still smoking it.

        • gwhyte01

          Yup and i inhaled too….shit was good.

  • 21stNow

    This is a great list!  Number 41 is the reason that I haven’t found about half of these myself.  Hopefully, Microsoft will take a look at this list and incorporate as many of these as possible as quickly as possible.  Otherwise, the next iPhone could kill the Windows platform.  They are both known for the same strength-a smooth operating system.  If Windows Phone appears to be less functional, the other OS devices could clobber it.

  • MK Terra

    Very informative!  This degree of detail is exactly what a comparison-shopper needs to make an informed decision.  I have a similar (albeit shorter) list for my laptop, covering various specific issues that weren’t mentioned in any online reviews, but that I wish I had known in advance.

    • Jmatt45

      To bad most of that list is BS.

      • Edy6401

         What do you mean by BS. Could you please post what items in the list are wrong and why? Otherwise it just means you are complaining for the sake of complaining. If anything in the list at all is wrong, give us the right information. I am sure David will update the post to show the corrected data.

        • Jmatt45

          Mr. Beren should have verified and corrected the data himself before posting this garbage.

        • No need, I didn’t bother to verify. I didn’t need to, I put it so you guys could verify or dispute.

        • Jmatt45

          How lazy of you Mr. Beren.  How are those hits coming?

        • You need a time out. Stop accusing me of hits, you have no idea what you are talking about. None. If anything, your proving your own theory by continually coming back to the comments attempting to refute replies to your comments. How very helpful of you.

        • Derail Doax

          Repeat troll offenders need temp bans. :)

        • Edy6401

           Ok, I just did some looking around using Google and it looks like most of the list will hold up. A lot of people are complaining about some items not being accurate, but, it seems that does items where corrected by the hardware manufacturer. (For example: – equalizer – not supported by WP7, done by HTC above the system.)

        • Guest911

          Just google for this list and you will find many points debunked. David will not update the article as he is getting hits.

        • Edy6401

           (off to Google the list)………

  • Poisonoussting

    as a former htc touch pro 2 owner with windows mobile 6.5x i can tell you there are alot of features they have taken away looking at this list.It makes me sad to think they took so much away from the phone.Originally, I decided against getting a windows phone as my next phone just because i wasn’t fond of the interface because it didn’t look so much like a desktop screen anymore which i liked alot.Secondly, because my apps i downloaded started having connection problems and became inactive.There wasn’t anything i could do to get them to work again.The loss of support made me think they wouldn’t have much support in the future when the phones get older.

    On a separate note some of the things on this list seem like reasons why i didn’t want to get the iPhone such as no SD card support and having to download iTunes in order to transfer files around.
    Does the iPhone have a file manager?My wife has one however i don’t remember seeing one.

  • i was an owner of the hd2 on first day and the hd7…heh both bs phones

    • Jimmy_Jangle

       Then why own them on the first day??

      GTFO Troll.

  • hardly any customization to windows phones unless MS thinks its “ok” for u to do…personally i think MS should stop making windows phones and start making toasters and such :)

  • F1NAL

    Some if these are not valid at all! What a dumbass thread.

    • Edy6401

       Some of them do not, but some of them Do. So this is a Real Thread if some of the points are valid.

  • Jmatt45

    And here’s the real problem with this list.  People who don’t know any better coming here and saying what an informative list it is.  This crap should have been lift on Symbian website it came from and has NO BUSINESS on the front page of TMONews.  Heck Mr. Beren even admits that this is flame bait and post it anyway.  Why? Hits plan and simple.  How f’n sad.

    • Dude, honestly, how many times do you have to say I do this for hits. Get over yourself, I didn’t post it for hits and I LIKE THE WINDOWS PHONE platform. I posted it because it’s got some accurate points and Windows Phone needs help, that’s why its market share is decreasing, because of the idea that you can make a list like this. Even if half of it is true, it’s still got plenty of reasonable points. 

      • Fakesubmite

        You’re full of it.

        • You realize I can see the IP address and recognize that you are the same person as Jmatt right?

        • Fakesubmite

          No, I’m his wife and I agree with him. :)

      • Fakesubmite

        “Windows Phone needs help that’s why it’s market share is decreasing.”

        The fact that you can make this statement really calls in to question your credibility.

        You know the old saying.. With friends like you…etc…

        lol

        • gwhyte01

          Actually wp7 market share has grown in the us and is passing ios in china. Do your homework son, do your homework.

        • Fakesubmite

          That reply was to David right?

        • Derail Doax

          Do you have a link for this made-up info? WP7 passing iOS in China seems fabricated to me…

        • Fakesubmite
        • gwhyte01
        • Except that’s fact, says Gartner, Nielsen and you know, other impartial organizations that track this kind of stuff for the industry.

        • Fakesubmite

          You need a new job David.  Windows Mobile and Windows Phone together have shown a decline because users are leaving Windows Mobile.  However, when you look at Windows Phone alone it’s share has indeed been increasing.  Nice try though.

        • Dave Macias

          dude wth is your problem?? this was posted merely for discussion not to bring your own fanboyish theories to the table, gee.

    • Should I call the police? Because there’s apparently someone holding a gun to your head forcing you to read tmonews.

      It’s David’s site and he can post whatever the hell he wants if you don’t like it? Too bad – suck it up.GTFO troll.

      • Fakesubmite

        Get over yourself Ben.  David has a right to post what he wants and we have a right comment on them as we see fit.  Just like you just did.  If David can’t take the criticism he’s in the wrong business.

  • Wow, this list is so wrong I don’t even know where to start.  TMONews lost all credibility for me.  For example I stream music in my car all the time with Bluetooth and was a breeze to setup.  I also use TellMe to do text messages with Bluetooth.  Amazing way to text hands free.  I have custom ringtons, really easy.

    Most of this list also applies to the iPhone as well.

    I will never own an Android.  You guys are some of the must digusting people I know.  I will leave T-Mobile and go for the iPhone/Blackberry 10 or worse have no smartphone.

    • gwhyte01

      Na david likes wp7.

    • Edy6401

       In that case, Good buy and we sincerely wish you the best of luck with whoever new provider you choose. But, it takes a disgusting person to call others disgusting because they express their opinions. I hope you do realize that that if you do have a WP, you have a Smartphone. Right? So if you go to another carrier and get a WP, you still have a Smartphone. and If you go no Smartphone, they why on earth are you complaining?

      • Opinions I am fine with.  Lies are disgusting.  And David did not verify this list, and as such is spreading lies.  It is disgusting, especially when T-Mobile has pushed WP.  I currently have a WP, but was referencing if T-Mobile dropped WP or WP no longer became an option on any carrier.  Android fans act like spoiled selfish brats expecting everyone to use Android.

        • Edy6401

           Thank you for responding to my reply. I understand what you are saying, but I would like some clarity. I hear you when you say the list was not verified. But can you explain (not all) but some of the items that you feel are false? I am an Android user, I would and do not expect anyone to use Android because I do. I friend of mine works for AT&T and has a new Lumina 900? (I think) and that phone is Awesome, is it something I would get? not sure. The camera could work a little better for my taste. In regards to this post. If the information is not correct, could you offer some insight on it? I would like to know what points are not accurate. That is all I wanted to point out.

        • Probably the biggest is no upgrade to Windows Phone 8.  I think its pretty much obvious it will happen.  Obviously Microsoft has not confirmed it, just like Apple and Google haven’t announced details on their next OS version or system requirements for it.

          Others such as no Video on MMS are outdated, as Tango now supports that.  Will pushed to devices next month (Microsoft already confirmed this).

          Other are false.  Background tasks can be disabled.  And you can view which ones are currently running.

          I don’t have an issue streaming audio, and no my BMW is not certified for use with WP7.  Uses standard Bluetooth specs, and even the album cover shows up.

          There are phones that support more than 16GB.  Why Nokia doesn’t isn’t Microsoft’s problem.

          Best way to close an app is just hit the start button.  Hiting back continiously to exit actually will keep it running.

          Others are spin, like no notifications.  Sure if I unpinned the SMS and Phone Apps, I wouldn’t know about missed calles or new text messages unless I was on the lock screen.

          And the rest are similar complaints about the iPhone (like no native file manager or file access).  I can understand why you want access, but I can also understand why you wouldn’t to provide it and overall I am happy with my choice of OS.

        • Probably the biggest is no upgrade to Windows Phone 8.  I think its pretty much obvious it will happen.  Obviously Microsoft has not confirmed it, just like Apple and Google haven’t announced details on their next OS version or system requirements for it.

          Others such as no Video on MMS are outdated, as Tango now supports that.  Will pushed to devices next month (Microsoft already confirmed this).

          Other are false.  Background tasks can be disabled.  And you can view which ones are currently running.

          I don’t have an issue streaming audio, and no my BMW is not certified for use with WP7.  Uses standard Bluetooth specs, and even the album cover shows up.

          There are phones that support more than 16GB.  Why Nokia doesn’t isn’t Microsoft’s problem.

          Best way to close an app is just hit the start button.  Hiting back continiously to exit actually will keep it running.

          Others are spin, like no notifications.  Sure if I unpinned the SMS and Phone Apps, I wouldn’t know about missed calles or new text messages unless I was on the lock screen.

          And the rest are similar complaints about the iPhone (like no native file manager or file access).  I can understand why you want access, but I can also understand why you wouldn’t to provide it and overall I am happy with my choice of OS.

        • Don’t get me wrong, I like Windows Phone, anyone who talks to me on a regular basis here knows that I go out of my way to post positive things on Windows Phone because it is an OS I want to see succeed. Some of these things are legit, even if half of them are true, that’s a list of things that need to be worked on. Sure we could make similar lists for Apple and Android, the difference is both of those systems are already entrenched in the marketplace.

        • Fakesubmite

          LMAO!! Not spin work there David.

        • gwhyte01

          I’ve seen slow news days on tmonews, hits my ass…..If it was a slow news day, you would say ITS A SLOW NEWS DAY…..I’ve seen you post it.

        • I’m sorry David, you really need a reality check.  I have visited this site for years and don’t recall you posting something similar about the much more limited iPhone when it first came out (didn’t even have MMS).  And for T-Mobile, the iPhone is the competition.  I posted a list on my site about the iPhone when it first came out, but I was proven wrong and I admit it.  Technology is growing and people want a smooth experience over tech specs.  The iPhone has grown and Windows Phone is growing to, both in features and mareketshare.

        • Zanefbanks

          People want a smooth experience, not just a smooth UI. I’ve been so frustrated with WP7 at times for dumb little things like not having a back and forward button in IE! Seriously? When I go back to surf the web after leaving the app to reply to a message, I don’t want to back out of it again. Just let me go back a page, dangit!

          Anyway… The moral of the story is that Smooth UI does not equal Smooth experience.

        • Jimmy_Jangle

           There IS a back button, it’s on the front of your sodding phone man!

          Granted there’s no forward, but still, smh

        • Zanefbanks

          You missed the point. If you’ve been browsing in IE, hit the start button (or reply to a message, email, etc) and then click IE from your home screen again, thinking you can continue browsing and then want to go back a page – forget about it! You press that back button and it kicks you out, killing the app altogether. The only way I found around this is to either ONLY use the back button and never press that start button, or open up IE, open up the options, click recents, and find the page you want to go back to. Just add a dang back button in the browser and you’ve alleviated a fairly simple omission.

        • Jimmy_Jangle

          But if the method I use works, why not do it that way.

          Anyway it’s a moot point, as I bet IE10 on Apollo will remedy this.

        • When the iPhone first came out…this site wasn’t around so I couldn’t have done that. Also, I write plenty of nice things about Windows Phone, it’s not like I bash any platform other than RIM these days. I don’t even bash RIM, just how naive their executives seem to be. Most people who read the site know I like Windows Phone and this list doesn’t change that, I’ve got a Lumia 710 sitting right in my office that I love using. It’s got limitations though and these are some of them.

        • Edy6401

           Thanks man. I really appreciate the time you took to post this.

        • Derail Doax

          ” Others such as no Video on MMS are outdated, as Tango now supports that. Will pushed to devices next month (Microsoft already confirmed this).”

          So wait… His info is outdated because it has no video on MMS support currently, but Tango when it is released in a month will fix this problem. How is the problem outdated when the patch that fixes it hasn’t been released yet? Lol…

        • Jimmy_Jangle

           It’s actually already available to those who’ve bought the Lumia 900, so erm, I think you’ve f**ked up dude wagging your finger there…

    • davedsone

      “I will never own an Android.  You guys are some of the must digusting people I know.”
      Wow.  A bit over the top, there, Lars.  You are kind of giving credence to the saying “Never give a smart phone to a dumb person”.

      • I had smartphones before it was ‘cool’.  And I guess I sunk to the level of idiot to argue with this idiot article.  I have owned it all… Blackberry, iPhone, Symbian, Windows Mobile. And this article is a little over the top.

        • So a single article causes the site to lose credibility just because you don’t agree with it? Awesome, I can’t wait to hear what you think after reading CNN.com and depending on your political leanings, that site must lose credibility every few minutes. 

        • Fakesubmite

          lol, really? WTF does this article have to do with T-Mobile? Nothng!! That’s why you posting here is suspect.  That’s why your credibility is called in question.

        • Edy6401

           Why nothing to do with T-Mobile? T-Mobile does sell (some) Windows phones. And he did already explained about subjective posting.

        • souggie

          sigh, David we’ve had this discussion about trolls and and fundamentally stupid people. Never argue with a troll, you lose brain cells in the process. For petes sake the dude said “accord” instead of occurred. Smite the troll and his wife. Block the trolls my man.

        • randy_holcomb

          Never argue with an idiot-they will drag you down to their level and beat you with their experience. 

    • TritonX

       “You guys are some of the must digusting people I know”  – really?  Is it that serious for you?  G E T   A  L I F E! 

    • Zanefbanks

      He’s spot on. If you read it better he says no bluetooth audio for VIDEO. Many of these reasons are why I left WP7 and why I can’t go back. If you know about David (the author of the post) He is a die hard iPhone fan. He’s calling Microsoft out on their shortcomings, not saying everyone should use an Android. Don’t stereotype people who use Android and call them disgusting because their user preference is to have more functionality out of the box.

    • Umang Choudhari

      You’re real professional too. Calling millions of people disgusting over the internet for one article, classy move.

      Also, if you’re seriously going to leave a carrier and switch entire phones because of one article..don’t let the door let you on the way out..or do, not that we care.

    • Poisonoussting

      so i was right there are alot of similarities of this list on the iphone as well.

  • It’s funny that I saw same post 2 weeks ago on TheVerge and a lot of points were depunked, flameboy posting all over the net…

    • Jmatt45

      Old news that was already debunked but here it is on the front page of TMONews.  Strangely this bit of garbage nothing at all to do with T-Mobile.  So why is it here?

      Hits.

      smh

      • I don’t post ANYTHING for hits, you guys should know this already.

        • Jmatt45

          Really? I used to believe that.  I really like this site.  But would you care to explain what this article has to do with T-Mobile news?? And why post such garbage the day before a T-Mobile sale is about to start? Had it accord to you that something like this on a T-Mobile fan site might very well hurt potential sales of Windows Phone devices?

          Much respect lost.

        • Dude, you know how many T-Mobile customers read this site? Probably 10% of the entire customer base? You think I’m going to make or break a sale based on that? Give me a break and recognize and I hate to repeat myself to you again and again, that I don’t post ANYTHING for hits, but I will post stuff that is going to create a discussion. Good or bad, positive or negative, everything I post can’t be sunshine, rainbows and unicorns. Telling me you’ve lost faith in this site because of a single article is ridiculously dramatic. I am NOT going to make or break a sale because of a single article like this, if I posted something that showed the Lumia 710 was in need of a recall, I grant that that would be a problem…but this is a list of a mix of opinion and fact and that’s why I called it a SUBJECTIVE list open to discussion. 

        • Fakesubmite

          Me thinks you protest to much. lol

        • You realize I can see the IP address and recognize that you are the same person as Jmatt right?

        • Zanefbanks

          Can we get a bazillion likes for David calling this guy out?

        • Jimmy_Jangle

           Erm, no.

        • Edy6401

          Got him!

        • Fakesubmite

          Again David.  This is his wife.  But It doesn’t matter if you believe me or no since you wouldn’t know the truth if it smacked you.

        • Derail Doax

          Hahaha. Owed.

          I know I don’t have to remind you David, but Haters gonna hate.

        • I don’t aim for your respect, I aim for your conversation, you don’t have to respect me, as someone who does this I know people don’t respect what I do. I’m ok with that. Stop worrying about this before a sale, do you HONESTLY think thousands of people are going to read this, stop and say “hmm, I was going to buy a windows phone but now I won’t because this website said it so I absolutely cannot buy this phone now?” You must be a predictor of other peoples actions. I posted it because every story won’t be relevant to T-Mobile, at least not completely so there are times, as I’ve explained till I’m blue in the fact that there isn’t 365 days worth of T-Mobile news so when I find something that may be relevant enough, I’ll post it. Talking about Windows Phone shortcomings is a perfectly relevant topic, you don’t have to agree with it, I didn’t expect everyone would. You alone don’t make it irrelevant though.

        • Fakesubmite

          Whatever makes you feel better David.

          lol

        • gwhyte01

          I seem to remember tmobile carrying more wp7 devices than any other carrier besides att, and the party isn’t done yet. there are more coming. so whats your point. its totally tmobile related.

        • Fakesubmite

          No it’s not.  And if it is I’m sure this article will help T-Mobile sale alot of Windows Phones over the next 10 days during it’s BOGO deal./sarcasm

  • vensilver

    I am a window phone user I think there is no message forwarding too others numbers

    • gwhyte01

      there is, just long press the message and it will pop up.

  • Tehchstar Donny

    I LOVE THIS LIST. It is just about everything wrong with the damn Windows Phone. I lost my android in the nifty little Microsoft Challenge.   Yeah the phone is fast.. thats because it doesn’t do much. Its simple and clean… BUT I WANT OPTIONS. I NEED MORE THAN JUST KIDDIE EMAIL, KIDDIES SOCIAL NETWORKING, KIDDIE TEXT MESSAGING.   People are becoming more power users than anything.  The old folks home at Microsoft Headquarters needs to lighten up on their job requirements and let a new generation of kids into the company.   

    • gwhyte01

      Lmao, you got smoked by windows phone, and now you’re bitching about it….you just made yourself look stupid. shoulda kept that to yourself……

      • Derail Doax

        :-/ I don’t see how he’s stupid for not being able to beat the shortcuts that Windows Phone has built in to the OS. Plus just because the user of the Windows phone could do a few set tasks faster makes Windows Phone a seasoned and fully matured OS? No. I’ve owned a HD7, I saw its shortcomings and it’s few awesome features. Then I moved back to Android. Everyone is different, but I needed more functionality.

      • HeLLo

        Really?.You honestly wan’t to call him stupid for admitting  he lost to the Microsoft Challenge?.Yeah talk about stupid why don’t quit making yourself look stupid while your at it kid.Also only a stupid person would laugh at their own comment but lastly keep your stupidity to yourself KID.

        • gwhyte01

          Kid! listen here boy, i’ve been doing this since you even knew what a smartphone was……this same exact thing happened when android came out buddy, i found myself arguing with ppl over what it can and cant do and now im doing it for wp, shortcomings are gonna happen, and i for one has faith in windows phone. It was a stupid comment, man up and stop bitching, who the hell told you to bet your phone againts a wp especially seeing how many ppl lost the challenge……watch your mouth boy.

  • MarcusDW

    WFail7

  • Nadeem Farooque

    I know this list is copied from another post but i still tottally agree…I did a lot of research and bought my first non-nokia, non-symbian phone for the promised ‘smooth bug-free Windows’ experience. Althogh it does give me the feel…but the points mentioned in this post are genuinly missing in the WP. I invest in a peice of innovative technology ..choosing over a verity of OS and if i dont get complete satisfaction over basic functionality then the whole experience is lost…Hope MSFT is making note of this…It is vital for the success…or else an enmasse move of the loyalist WP enthusiasts will move away….

  • AnonymousAndy

    Lame excuses. Who cares if you cannot flip the phone over to silent the phone? This is nitpicking on a ridiculous scale. 

    • Jmatt45

      Sad thing is you can flip the phone over to silence it.  The fact Mr. Beren posted this on the front page of his so called T-Mobile fan site knowing full well that it was full of BS shows that he either doesn’t care about Windows Phone, or he’s desperate for hits.  And to do this the day before T-Mobile is starting a sell where a great deal of 710s and Radars could be sold…. smh
      Imagine a potential buyer knowing about the sale decides this might be a good time to pick up a couple of Lumia 710s on the cheap.  But he wants to do some research and up pops this article on google.  And from a T-Mobile fan site no doubt.  Potential sale gone.

      If I was in charge of T-Mobile I’d pull all my ads from this site.

      • Yeah, you have NO idea what you are talking about. I’m not desperate for hits but I also just can’t post really nice things just because I’m afraid I might influence someone. If I’m not causing a discussion, I’m not doing what I believe is my job with this site. 

        • Jmatt45

          Except this article is NOT T-Mobile news.  Has nothing at all to do with T-Mobile and is full inaccuracies that will do more harm then good especially since T-Mobile is having a big sale starting tomorrow.  Bet you’re not complaining about all those hits though. 

        • Thanks, you know, I never censor comments but you’re driving me up a while with your wild accusations of hits and efforts to single-handedly harm the upcoming sale. Good luck proving each and every one of your points that these are my bad intentions. Do you work for Microsoft? Honestly, you can tell me. Our little secret.

        • Very telling article !

           Big thanks for this article . I now realize I don’t want a windows phone . That list of drawbacks is astounding in size . This is very informative . Goodness I even thought about getting two 710’s at the sale . I think I will save up for a Nexus because of this article . I’m so glad I found this . You can only learn so much from a phone in a couple minutes of playtime . Just a great informative article !

        • Fakesubmite

          Ahhh, a potential sale lost.  Good job David.

        • Jimmy_Jangle

           Best of luck with that POS. No, really I mean it.

    • MarcusDW

      ’99 problems and you just chose one?’

      • Jmatt45

        It’s not his job to debunk the entire list.  That’s what Mr. Beren should have did before posting this garbage.

        • I didn’t want to debunk the entire list, I posted it so YOU guys could debunk the entire list. Thousands of minds are better than one. 

        • randy_holcomb

          True-but some of the bullet point lists border on the ridiculous as only hardcore hax0rs would give a flip. OTOH, the fact that WP7 is locked down tight makes things like viruses, rootkits, etc. much more difficult and also plays into a consistent UI behaviour like the iPhone  vs. the schizophrenic Andriod UI flavour-of-the-day. Me? I’d just settle for custom tones for SMS and the ability to supply my own ringers/notification tones vs. the abortion that is the current WP7, short of a dev-unlock.   

        • Edy6401

           “the abortion that is the current WP7″……. I was laughing so hard I cried.

        • Gary

          there are several on that list that are a legit concern though

        • Jmatt45

          And several that are not.

    • gwhyte01

      Htc phones has these features, because i can flip my phone, and get speaker.

  • teddguy

    MS is in the deeper shit!!

    hope Windows 8 and Windows phone 8 solves most of these issues…

    • Jmatt45

      smdh

  • That’s exactly what I was thinking. Thank you for articulating! 

  • Dan Goldberg

    I own the HTC Titan Windows phone and love it. I have tried Android and iPhone and can say that this is more modern ui and more stable, with better battery life.

    Some of these items listed are incorrect or inaccurate, or there is a another way to accomplish them.  For example, you can use the back button to navigate back pages internet explorer and you can video call using Tango. I can go on and on like my phone does silence when I flip it over.

    Other phones also lack some or most of these on the list. What about a list of what Windows Phone does or does better than other other smart phones? It is like a Chevy or Ford, Car or a Pick up Truck.

    Some of these are valid and will be probably be addressed. Some of these points don’t apply to the average Joe, like bluetooth file sharing(I use skydrive) or save contacts to sim card(why? Your contacts  are synced via your live account).

  • KungFu_Toe

    I understand that this list is a repost.  However, I’d really like to see annotations next to the debunked items.  This would prevent any misconceptions about Windows Phone (of which there are many) based on this article.

  • Babydriver

    The ATT rep who sold me the phone thought I was just tech stupid. I’m not tech savvy,but I know enough to be dangerous. You have hit on just about everything I found wanting with the Nokia Lumia.  I was so frustrated after three weeks of tech support and no resolutions; Nokia techs told me the phone was defective.  Based on this review, I don’t think the phone was defective at all.  I am glad I took it back per Nokia suggestion, but just couldn’t bring myself to exchange it for another.    Thank you for saying all the technical things I couldn’t say, but knew were missing.  I feel so much better now about my decision to wait before purchasing another phone.  I wanted another Nokia cos’ their phone quality is the best in my opinion, but Nokia got the raw end of the deal on this one.  I hope the next ones correct all the  issues you mentioned.

    • bruce_leer0y

      I hope that was sarcasm?

  • wp7fan

    My two main complaints about WP7 from a six month user (and yes, i’ve used every major OS out there)
    1.  Bing maps is atrociously bad. The search blows, does not find venues and the turn by turn design is 10 years behind google maps. 
    2. The Zune / PC integration is forced and only removes value from the phone.  

  • FUS3360

    many of these points are completely wrong.. 
    5.  I get the whole storage thing but i have no issues because i have 25g free with skydrive… i usually upload almost everything to my skydrive!
    6.  I liked the file manager on wm 6.5, but WP7 has no file manager.  however, I find cloud storage so much better and I don’t really need a file manager with everything skydrive has to offer.  I use Office a lot and with the skydrive app, it is a  breeze to share, move, and create files or folders… but i also have the office hub!
    10.  I find “bing’s tell me to” very useful and works as well as voice control did on my android..
    24.  I have a wireless Bluetooth head set that i use for my workouts and it works perfectly while    listening to music.  If a message is received, i can listen and reply to it without ever touching my phone.  3rd party apps work with it as well.. even video playback when watching videos within IE9.
    49.  This one is just ridiculous.  The tile is called “ME”  tile not notification tile!!  and a simple swipe left will take you to the notifications.. 
    53.  Mine always chooses WiFi if available!
    70.  I do miss this but its a feature that i will have within a month or so…
    71.  Again.  Office works great for me and i am a heavy user!!!  so this makes no sense..
    72.  No native Google maps?  really?  This is a Windows Phone!!!!  meaning “Microsoft”
    78.  This is true!!!  lol 
    81.  more of a preference.  I like my phone on at all times..
    83.  This never bothered me
    108.  I don’t use this function and it can actually be turned off.  WITH THE NEW SKYDRIVE APP, PICTURES CAN BE UPLOADED AT FULL RESOLUTION.   So problem fixed through a small app update.. 

    I’ve used all OS’s except for symbia  or palm.  I agree with some of the users.  All platforms have pros and cons and that will never change because at the end of the day.  its all about preference.   I switched from android to WP7 and the only thing i miss, AND NOT BY MUCH,  (FLASH PLAYER) 
    These are some of the points that i thought were the most bogus…

    • Derail Doax

      “5. I get the whole storage thing but i have no issues because i have 25g free with skydrive… i usually upload almost everything to my skydrive!”

      I could see that not being a problem if people did not have tiered data plans. There were many months that I would hit by 5GB limit on my HD7.

      “72. No native Google maps? really? This is a Windows Phone!!!! meaning “Microsoft”

      Well native Google Maps is also available on iOS and was available on webOS. So just because it is a Microsoft platform does not mean that Google will not make official applications for it. It is just a current con even though Google can change this at anytime. I know I was extremely frustrated with Google not making an official Google Voice or Google Talk application for WP7.

      • FUS3360

        You do know that google and android are not on good terms. That’s obviously why google hasn’t made any official YouTube apps or other useful apps for WP..

      • FUS3360

        One thing I miss about google maps is street view! other than that I have Nokia drive and it works well for me. Again. Its all about preferences. I’m not bashing on any OS or saying that WP is better.

  • purpletatoe

    I have a lumia 900 and I can say that many of these points are untrue.

    And secondly, comparing windows phone to android is unfair, its more comparable to ios.. its a controlled and nurtured environment.  If what you want is openness and the ability to do many things poorly to average and only sometimes greatly then get an android.  If you want stability and the ability to do a selected number of things greatly then get ios or windows phone.

    Without spending too much time, going over the first 20 points:
    1. is partly untrue, there are 3rd party apps with ‘multitasking’- that run in the background.  But even on the iOS there is no ‘true’ multitasking -apps are paused for resource reasons as well as practicality… do you want a game to keep on playing while you are not actually playing it?
    2. True, but also true for iOS.
    3. True, but also pretty much true of iOS.
    4. True, but applies to iOS.
    6. True, but also true for iOS. 
    8.  this is arguably a positive, it took me literally 10 seconds to get all of my contacts onto my phone.
    10.  Untrue, e.g. google search app.
    11.  I’ve had no problems using an mp3 as a ringtone…not sure what constraints the author is referring to.
    15.  True, but also true for iOS, and arguably a positive.
    17. True, and would be nice, but also true for iOS
    20.  True, but also true for iOS.

    Based on that sampling, 55% of the points are invalid criticisms or untrue.
    From the first 20, i’d say 9, 13, 19 are good criticisms 15%.  Some of which will be addressed in windows phone 8, and some I hope are addressed.  The 30% remaining points are nit-picky.

    • FUS3360

       I agree with you 100%

    • Have you read the disclaimer? he is comparing it to Nokia Lumia!

      • purpletatoe

        i know?  I have a Nokia Lumia 900.

        • “And secondly, comparing windows phone to android is unfair, its more comparable to ios…”

        • purpletatoe

          The original author is comparing windows phone os on nokia lumia to android os.

    •  I read a list in which you stated most of these things are “true.” Just because it’s true for another OS doesn’t make it less true for the OS we’re talking about….

      • purpletatoe

        It doesn’t make it less true, thats why I said it was true. However, the original list is a compilation of reasons why you should not buy windows phone 7.5 because it lacks these features compared to other smartphone os’s (see original link). The fact that these criticisms can be made about another os, pretty much undermines the original author’s reasoning. Any point that is true for another popular smartphone os is invalid in the original argument. In addition I make the point that comparing windows phone to android is not appropriate because android is arguably designed to allow lots of customization and unique and specialized functions, however at the cost of stability and fragmentation. Windows phone is more comparable to ios, which is stable and more restrictive.

  • FUS3360

  • Derail Doax

    I had a HD7 for a while and decided I needed to go back to Android for work productivity issues. Here’s my list of pros and cons of the WP7.5 system.

    *Lack of an official Google Voice client, there are third-party clients but they often closed in the background due to poor third-party multitasking.

    *Lack of an official Google Talk client, IM+ would run in the background half of the time and other times would be shut down due to third-party multitasking issues.

    *Poor Evernote interface, although this has to be reworked by Evernote.

    *Lack of Swipe Keyboards.

    *GREAT SMS to voice interface over Bluetooth headsets. Voice to text dictation and SMS reply voice commands work awesome overhead headsets.

    *Live tiles are too large, too much scrolling to find what you need if you have a lot of tiles on your main page. This could easily be solved by support for qHD screens.

    *Lack of a Pandora app, Slacker Radio was an option however I prefer Pandora.

    *Awesome third party Youtube client Supertube.

    *Awesome Netflix client

    *No Dropbox or Box.net clients, this was a big deal breaker because I owned my HD7 before the recent addition of SkyDrive support, and the creation of the Windows desktop SkyDrive sync application.

    *Visual voicemail either plays over the Bluetooth headset or over speakerphone, no earpiece support. This might have been an issue specific to T-Mobile’s HD7, but this became a huge privacy issue when I was listening to work voicemails.

    *Lack of ability in the browser to log into Disqus, I’m not sure what the issue was here but I couldn’t log into Disqus in order to me to leave comments on blogs.

    *Awesome camera interface. Probably the best camera and interface I’ve ever used on smartphone.

    As you can see there were pros and cons to the Windows platform for my personal use. It was a very hard decision to walk away from Windows phone permanently. However it had to be done. I guess I am just more of an Android guy…

  • Zanefbanks

    Is this a record for most comments in such a short time?

  • 30014

    Wow, and i thought ios and android fanboys were over the top. You windows phone fans are some bitchy crybabies. WOW just WOW.

  • Dave Macias

    David , did you banned the guy already?

    • Fakesubmite

      Why should anyone be banned?

  • And you can’t see the time in the browser… This is why i threw my hd7 against a wall (well that and the rest of the list, but mostly not being able to see the time)

    • Jimmy_Jangle

       You can, press “…” and it’ll appear at the top.

  • “58. No support for Java apps” –  yeah, that’s why Windows Phone isn’t as popular as Android and iPhone.  All those bazillions of Java apps I use on my Windows and Mac machines that just don’t work on Windows Phone.  And why can’t I run my BASIC programs too?  I so want a phone that can run gorilla.bas.

  • bruce_leer0y

    I just think the author of the article shouldn’t have labeled it 101 reasons not to buy windows phone 7.5 when it’s based solely off the Nokia lumia. I guess the Lumia is the most popular WP7 there is but I use the HD7 and I love this phone. Reading through some of whats listed are things that most people who own a WP7 device wouldn’t even notice. Someone reviewing the device would definitely notice. The article should be called 101 things to consider before purchasing a Windows Phone 7.5 device   

  • kresk

    Oh my goodness! I only made it to #39 before giving in and just agreeing with all of it.

  • HeLLo

    It’s trashy WP so who is surprised that this supposedly “modern” OS that all these WP fanboys call it lack so many features.Once again it’s WP  so no one should be surprised.

    • Fakesubmite

      Yeah, that’s not trolling.

      • bruce_leer0y

        could barely make out what he/she wrote

  • ManoloDF

    Wifi Calling

    • Fakesubmite

      Windows Phone supports WiFi calling and that is a feature that the carrier must implement.

  • bruce_leer0y

    From your not so techy WP7 fan

     

    OS LIMITATIONS

    1. No true multitasking for 3rd party apps – they re frozen in
    the background.- Sounds great to me

    2. No Divx/Xvid video codec support. Zune will convert with loss
    of quality.-Don’t care

    3. No mass storage mode. Don’t care

    4. No micro-SD card support. Don’t care

    5. Only support up to 16GB storage. Don’t care

    6. No filemanager. Directory system is totally opaque. WTF does
    this mean

    7. Need Zune to transfer files. Zune will only transfer photos, videos
    & music. All other files need to email/upload to yourself. Don’t care

    8. Your contact details are automatically uploaded to cloud service whether you like it or not. Don’t care

    9. Limited to 800×480 resolution. Don’t care

    10. Voice search is hardwired to Bing. Never use voice search

    11. Cannot use any MP3 file as ringtone except those with strict
    constraints. Don’t care

    12. Cannot set static IP address so no connection to ad-hoc networks.
    WTF does this mean

    13. No VPN support for this “corporate enterprise” phone. WTF
    does this mean

    14. Cannot sync directly with Outlook without syncing to Cloud. Don’t care

    15. Totally closed OS, cannot sideload apps outside MS
    Marketplace. Don’t care..WTF does this mean

    16. System font size cannot be changed. Don’t care

    17. Images and photos cannot be renamed in the phone. Don’t care

    18. Windows Live ID account cannot change country once set. Don’t
    care

    19. No centralized notification page. Don’t care

    20. Alarm clock cannot work when phone is turned off. All Nokia
    Symbian and Meego phones can do this. QQ

    21. The idle screen is completely blank and cannot display time
    or notifications. Don’t care

    22. Only photos allowed as email attachments, documents not
    allowed. Don’t care

    23. Bluetooth does not have rSAP protocol which is the most
    common protocol for car audio streaming. WTF does this mean

    24. Cannot stream audio from video to Bluetooth devices (No
    A2DP). Don’t care

    25. No support for full on-device encryption required for secure
    applications like mobile banking and online payment. Don’t care

    26. Cannot use Bluetooth keyboard.

    27. Cannot silence ringtone or alarm by flipping the phone. HTC
    phones can

    28. Very limited customization option. Don’t care

    29. Cannot be upgraded to WP8 (Apollo) Who told you that

    USABILITY ISSUES

    30. No always visible status bar for battery life, signal
    strength, carrier, 2G/3G wi-fi, Bluetooth on. Don’t care

    31. Taskmanager has no option to shut down apps you don’t want
    running in the background. Don’t care

    32. Search and Back button cannot be de-activated in apps or games
    and easily touched by accident which interrupt your user experience. Don’t care

    33. Lockscreen need to be activated to show missed call/sms
    notification. Isn’t that the same with all of the major OS’s?

    34. No way to close an app except pressing back button all the
    way to the first screen. Don’t care

    35. Tiny fonts in messages is very hard to read for those over
    45. 45? You sure it isn’t 46?

    36. Cannot create and save playlists on the phone. Don’t care

    37. Playlist can only be edited when you are playing it. Don’t
    care

    38. Cannot search your music collection on the phone, only in
    the Marketplace. Don’t care

    39. Cannot close music player, can only pause. Music player on
    lockscreen will stay until you reboot. Be careful not to touch it in a meeting.
    Valid

    40. No draggable progress bar for current track playing and no
    indication which track in an album is currently playing. What?

    41. Cannot lock screen orientation. Don’t care

    42. Online and phone contacts are mixed together with no ability
    to filter. Valid

    43. Cumbersome dialing with no smartdial. Not able to enter
    alphabets into dialler for name lookup. Really? Don’t care

    44. Cannot save draft sms messages. Don’t care

    45. Call history only show phone number type. If a contact has
    multiple phone nos. for a type the number used is unknown. Valid

    46. Cannot recognize phone numbers in sms or email to save or use as
    calling number. Lies

    47. Text messages can only be deleted one by one or the whole
    thread. Don’t care

    48. Cannot select multiple pictures for deleting, sending or
    uploading. They must be done one at a time. Don’t care

    49. Clicking on the Me Tile doesn’t take you directly to your
    notifications it takes you to your profile, a serious usability blunder. All
    you need to do is slide once to left.. smh

    50. Apps are listed alphabetically with no way to group by
    category. Can be hard to find if you don’t remember the name. Valid

    51. Calendar scheduler has no weekly view and monthly view is
    non-zoomable. Don’t care

    52. No peak time/off-peak time scheduling for email downloads to prevent unnecessary email downloads at
    overnight. Don’t care

    53. If both wi-fi and data connection are available which one it
    chooses to use is unpredictable. User experiences don’t agree with Microsoft
    that it “typically” choose wi-fi over 3G. Valid

    FEATURE LIMITATIONS

    54. No video call. Don’t care

    55. No haptic feedback for keyboard. Don’t care

    56. No Swype. Don’t care

    57. No flashplayer support. Don’t care

    58. No support for Java apps. Whats java?

    59. No call recording or app to do it. Don’t care

    60. No call blocking or app to do it. Valid

    61. No screenshots or app to do it. Somewhat valid…mostly don’t
    care but I know people would like to have this

    62. No auto wallpaper changer and no app to do it. Seriously? Grow
    up

    63. Totally locked down os means apps which interact directly
    with hardware not allowed. This excludes a whole range of useful apps. Don’t
    care

    64. No equalizer for Zune music player. Don’t care

    65. FM radio doesn’t work on speaker. Don’t care never use the
    FM radio

    66. IE browser has no text reflow, no download capability and no
    offline reading. WTF does this mean

    67. No 3rd party browsers allowed except those based on IE. Don’t
    care

    68. Volume up/down buttons cannot be used to zoom in camera
    (sign of an immature os) Don’t care

    69. Cannot open zip or rar files received as email attachment. Don’t
    care

    70. Cannot send or receive video by MMS. Valid

    71. Office Mobile has much less features than 3rd party Office
    editors like SmartOffice, QuickOffice and Polaris. Shame on you, Microsoft! Don’t
    care

    72. No native Google maps and Bing maps is useless for most
    countries outside U.S. Where’d you get this info about Bing maps being useless?

    73. Email time stamp does not show the year. SO

    74. Wide difference in apps availability in different markets
    and users locked to one market. Valid

    75. Not all Bing features available outside U.S. especially
    Local Scout

    DUMB AND DUMBER

    76. One volume control for all functions including media
    playback, ringtones, alarms, notifications. Don’t care

    77. Wi-fi disconnects when screen sleeps. I actually love that,
    saves battery life, when your charger is plugged in it doesn’t

    78. If you receive a text message when talking on the phone an
    audio alert will blast your ear at the full volume set. All other phones will
    give a soft beep. Valid

    79. Can only enter one mobile phone no. for each contact. Mobile
    nos. entered in other fields will not accept sms. Valid

    80. Cannot send/receive MMS without enabling 3G data connection.
    MMS does not use 3G data. Don’t care

    81. Phone cannot be charged when off. Valid

    82. Need to be plugged in to wall charger to sync wirelessly (a
    funny definition of wireless). Valid

    83. Oversized fonts for headings waste screen space and result
    in low information density. I love that look

    84. Phone will wake up and display sms content on lockscreen
    when locked – a privacy violation. Don’t all phones do this?

    85. Phone can be rebooted without entering security code. How’d
    you find this out

    FEATURES EVEN DUMB PHONES HAVE BUT WP7.5 DOESN’T

    86. No bluetooth file transfer. Don’t care

    87. Cannot handle USSD codes necessary for prepaid users to
    obtain services. Don’t care

    88. Cannot filter call history into Missed Calls, Received
    Calls, Dialled Calls, Recent Calls, etc. Don’t care

    89. No way to backup or export call history. Don’t care

    90. Cannot show call duration in call history. Don’t care

    91. No way to edit MMS profile to work with a carrier in the OS.
    Need an app which is not available in all markets. Don’t care

    92. Call history does not group calls by contact.

    93. Call history does not show the time of call for calls older
    than current day. Lies

    94. Cannot set custom sounds for different types of
    notifications.

    95. No ringer profiles. Valid

    96. No silent option (no vibrate and no ring) from ringer menu.
    Need a trip to settings and another trip to revert. Valid

    97. Cannot send/receive contact as a csv file. Don’t care

    98. Cannot backup sms to PC. Yeah I miss that

    99. Cannot save contact to SIM card. Don’t care

    100. Cannot change alarm ring tone or use a MP3 file. Don’t care

    101. Cannot set alarm snooze interval.

    BONUS SHORTCOMINGS

    102. Unable to read long names in audio and video playlist as they
    get cut off. Don’t care

    103. Zune does not allow user to add or update podcasts directly
    from the phone. I believe you subscribe to new podcasts directly from your
    phone

    104. Zune can only be installed if you have an internet
    connection. LOL

    105. Alarm does not revert to speaker if headphones are plugged
    in. valid

    106. Forwarded emails cannot be edited. valid

    107. OS does not reduce volume of text message alerts when using
    headphones. valid

    108. All photos automatically upload to Skydrive have resolution
    reduced (no option) and lose their EXIF information. Valid

    109. Wifi- hotspot and internet tethering not integral features
    in the OS but need to be provided by manufacturer on a case by case basis.

    110. Internet Explorer has no Forward/Backward button for page
    views. WOW

     

  • Fakesubmite

    Somewhere in this thread someone asked for proof that Windows Phone had surpassed iOS in market over in China.  I provided that proof but now those post are gone.  Oh well I guess truth has no place in this thread of misinformation.

    • gwhyte01
      • Fakesubmite

        Thanks

        • Havoktek

          Ok 7%……….It’s a party now!

    • Havoktek
      • Fakesubmite

        Old news is old.  gwhyte01 has posted the new.  Just like did earlier in this thread.

        • Havoktek

          Didn’t see that hamburger………Was on tha go.

    • Nothing whatsoever has been deleted from this thread, period. I wouldn’t be surprised if you deleted them yourself to try and skewer me.

      • Fakesubmite

        Please, you aren’t worth such bother.  Hope it’s not the guilt making you so paranoid.

        • I get that you have some issues, but continuing to accuse me of wild accusations really means you have no place here. You aren’t doing anything other than trolling, if you want to participate, feel free, continue to troll and say goodbye.

  • NOKIA is Toast

  • Digga2012

    no wonder they say wp is buttery smooth…………

    it does f**k all………………………

    • bitbank

      :)

    • Havoktek

      Damn you read my mind!

  • bitbank

    As many have pointed out, the long list above is basically a lot of techno-speak that doesn’t directly apply to people’s real world usage scenarios. A more user-centric list of limitations might be worded like this (WP limitation = how it affects usability)

    1) Lower spec hardware (800×480, older CPUs, less storage space) = Slower browsing of complex websites, no 1080p video recording, limited multasking, slower loading/activating of applications.
    2) No native code (only C# interpreted code) = Games and apps that do “work” will suffer with poor performance. Some apps are not possible without native code. A good example is photo editing/filter apps run very slowly.
    3) Can’t register MIME types nor work with new file types = If someone needs to work with a file format not currently supported by the OS, 3rd party apps are blocked from writing a program to view/edit them.
    4) Can’t replace web browser = features and speed limited to what MS gives you (e.g. no Dolphin/Silk/Chrome/Opera)
    5) All media must pass through Zune = More limited choices for syncing/buying/consuming files/music/video
    6) Metro UI = limited customization opportunities, long scrolling lists become tiresome when many apps/links are pinned to start screen
    7) Many services (e.g. virtual keyboard) are locked = missing out on improved input methods (e.g. Swype)
    8) Application interop severely limited due to locked file system and MIME types = passing data from one app to another is basically impossible while other OS’s (e.g. Android) make it easy to share almost any kind of information from a source app to a consumer app.

  • Havoktek

    Ok Wp7 users to be fair I don’t know WHAT wp7 does or doesn’t do….However I’ve migrated 1 or 2 users from that platform over to android. Some little research tells me that this listing may be outdated. Has anyone actually seen news or updates covering wp7 phone OS current capabilities?

    Now personally I deal with Windows Clients and Servers daily and I don’t want it on my phone. Android is my only freedom…

  • now_onTMO

     windows phone is not ripe yet.. lol
    we want it to survive so we have more choices for phones of different OS’, same with blackberry..

    i like the transition animation of windows wp7

    android is the best!

  • iknowaeiou

    I like Windows Phone. Ran it on my HD2 forever. I was 9 kinds of convinced this year that I was going to snag the HTC Titan for use on T-Mo (I’m fine with an edge/wi-fi situation).

    However, a couple things held me back. No guaranteed official upgrade to WP8 on current devices, no video out & screen resolution restrictions. And the ecosystem is sadface at it’s best.

    So, I bought a used G2x on the cheap & rooted to ICS. Just a holdover to see what this fall brings – I’m definitely interested in a Metro tablet, and am enjoying the Windows 8 CP on a spare machine. I think it’s interesting. And with the MS touch mouse, a lot of fun. But I won’t make the jump to WP until I see what this fall brings.

    Also, I’ll always keep an extra Android phone handy, because of the ecosystem. It’s like the wild west and the 80’s all rolled into one – you can get away with anything. I work for a restaurant/bar, and the WiFiKill app is a particular favorite of mine; I can boot the leeches (people who drink a beer/take up a table for 3 hours just so they can surf the net) off our wifi anytime. 

  • Fernandoarriaza32

    The iphone had all of those limitation and where is the iphone now ?

    • Foxeh

      The problem is Windows Phone is late to the party. It begs the question, why buy a WP device over an iPhone? Perhaps you want 3/4G on T-Mobile…

      I’ve had the Lumia 710 for a couple months now and I do like it a lot. Compared to my previous Android devices… the things that WP actually DOES do, it does much better (bluetooth interaction, appointments, IMAP, etc) with the exception of navigation. However, I’m not going to lie to you, MS has a lot of catching up to do yet in just about every sense, but they are on to something, here.

      • Fernandoarriaza32

        I agree with you but 90% of people’s don’t care about all that stuff that wp can’t do right now, we care because we are geeks and we like to be able to do all that stuff on a phone and that 90% of people’s that are not geeks like to be in a close system because everything its easier, and I think android needs to be a little more that way otherwise we will keep getting cheap hardware and bad software buggy and laggy all the time.
        Window phone will cachup and eventually be better than android if android doesn’t change the way it’s doing things right now

  • mantikos

    you are an idiot in a nut shell
    calling valid UI decisions – limitations…IDIOT!

  • Deaconclgi

    Problem is, WP ISN’T limited as much as this article would have us to believe.

    http://mynokiablog.com/2012/05/10/windows-phone-myths-debunked-the-truth/

    • bitbank

      That blog exaggerates heavily in favor of WP, so it’s not a useful reference either.

  • Neli

    WIndows Mobile is f os for phone. I am tmo and the phone i got from tmo is HTC HD7 and i have a iphone 4s manifacture unlocked. Just the fact that wp voip is a … makes me buy the iphone. Microsoft owns Skype, look at the version of Skype that the Microsoft just came up with for wp… Lol. You don’t lnow who is online and if you have to do something else you are automaticly loged out from skype. F… windows phone…

  • MisterBlue

    I like Tmobile.  I like Tmonews.  However, when things are getting so slow that you have to post a week old piece that is blatantly biased, then it gets really sad, both for Tmobile and Tmonews.  You can masquerade it as a “conversation piece” all you want, but this is fanboy drivel and click bait at its best.  I think plenty of us expected more from you David.

    • Honestly, I didn’t know it was 6 days old, had I known, I wouldn’t have posted it. When I saw it on PhoneArena, I merely assumed the list had been put together a few days ago and was just not making the blog rounds, not that it had made the rounds 6 days ago when I must have missed it. It wasn’t my intent to post something so old, I think you guys know I hate doing that. A mistake I’ll be sure to watch out for again in the future.

      • Chuck Smith

        I had not read the article and would not have seen it if it had not been posted on tmonews.  

  • tommy

    So make a list of rebuttals and post it (valid ones I hope) I found this interesting. Let the games begin!

  • Jock

    Windows Phone is a rotten OS.

    Microsoft will soon dump the whole Windows Phone 7.x OS, and move to the completely new Windows Phone 8. Because Windows Phone 8 apps don’t run on Windows Phone 7.x, users of Windows Phone 7 will be on an abandoned platform with ever dwindling apps.

    Why on earth would anyone buy a Windows Phone that is about to be abandoned?

    • Jimmy_Jangle

       Because NOTHING has been confirmed.

  • tommy

    Microsoft is a big slow beast but they’ll fix things and update the lumina 900 and 710 I betcha… (hope?)

    • WW

      I hope so too.

  • Roger Johnson

    Hey David,

    I’m a huge Microsoft Buff. I am bias when it comes to MS products. I hate Apple because of their business practices.  Microsoft has always been a better company because it allows you to do more for less and customization to user preference.

    That being said, I have owned a WP7 since its release and I have also developed for it.  I HATE THE PHONE.  It’s so restricted that it feels like a product from Apple (I had an iPhone 3G for two years).

    People keep mentioning performance is better.  IT SHOULD BE WITH AN INTERFACE THAT’S LESS GRAPHIC THAN WINDOWS v3.1 INTERFACE.  When there isn’t any graphics to process, there shouldn’t be any processor load.

    You did miss one MAJOR point on the list though.  The reason WP7 is practically worthless.  IT IS PRACTICALLY IGNORED BY EVERYONE WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPING PROJECTS.  I’m SO TIRED of seeing cool stuff coming out or is out and the common response from the company is “A WP7 version is not planned for the foreseeable future.”  Every article, “Supported on Android & iOS”.  WP7 is a red headed step child.

    The problem with WP7 is Microsoft was TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE.  They not only missed the boat on new smartphone concepts, but when they finally decided to jump they released a phone that was WELL BEHIND everyone else.

    Who would find WP7 great? 
    People that never used their phones for anything more than basic functionality like Email, Browsing, and Text Messages AND people that upgraded from call only phones. 

    What does this mean for me? 
    I’m dumping this phone as soon as the Samsung Galaxy S III is released in the US.  Will I go back to WP in the future?  I hope so, but not for theforeseeable future.

    • All very awesome points, but remember this isn’t my list. I had nothing to do with its creation!

      • Roger Johnson

        Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that.  It would of been better said “The List is missing a huge point”.  On that same note, people will say “someone just need to make the app for it.”  Many developers would disagree because the Phone is so restrictive that many hardware manufactures can’t.

        ALSO, THANK YOU FOR REPOSTING THIS LIST!  I didn’t see it until you posted it.  I don’t TROLL the internet like others do.

  • WW

    Those are some pretty glaring omissions.  I’m an old Windows CE/Mobile (lots of PDA/non-phone iPaq’s) user from version 2 (I think) so I have a soft spot for Windows Mobile and hope it makes it.

    My last iPaq 210 fricking supported both SD and CF (compact flash for you younger people) at the same time plus the on-board memory.  How is that missing from WP7?!?!When it came time to upgrade (my last iPaq 210 started taking fully 120 seconds to open even small Excel files which I open 20 plus times/day; I work in the field), I tried desperately to stick with a Windows phone with the functionality I wanted but couldn’t find one with the large screen size of the iPaq 210 and good keyboard for quick (ctrl+c, ctrl+v) copy/paste & entering mixed (separate number row above qwert) alphanumeric characters.  Liked the features of the HD2 and touchpro (I think it was called) but ctrl+c/ctrl+x/ctrl+v function wasn’t present in those.Since Windows Phone selection wasn’t good, I switched to Android and haven’t looked back (just got my $400 GNex yesterday).

    • Roger Johnson

      I was a big fan of Windows Mobile.  I loved my phones!  I switched to iPhone 3G because it was the best at the time and the Marketplace was GREAT.  I switched to WP7 as soon as it came out and I really hate it.  I should say it took me 6 months to hate it.  It was cool at first because it was something new but once the honeymoon wore off all I notice is all the things I can’t do or change.  I’m looking forward to switching to Android soon!

  • WW

    The walled garden approach to the ecosystem is the primary reason iOS is losing ground to Android.   
    Apple once dominated the smartphone market because they had a good product and were the only game in town.  It didn’t take long for an open ecosystem (hardware and software) competitor to knock them off the throne.   

    MS is giving us more choice/freedom on the hardware side but if they continue trying Apple’s approach to the software ecosystem, they’ll never become a contender (I would like to see an open WP give Android and iOS a good fight) in the mobile arena.   

    • Roger Johnson

      You couldn’t be more right!  Its ok to have a simple phone from the first boot, but give the users the ability to change things.

    • gwhyte01

      Lets see….hmmmm how many bugs has android have in the last year or so….maybe there’s a reason……for the whole closed approach.

  • Jimmy_Jangle

    Not so. Just tried this by going into IE, then opening a link elsewhere. Then pressed start, opened Wordament. Held down back and went into IE, pressed back and what happens?

    That’s right, it went back to the original page, no exiting.

    • FUS3360

      That’s right! I guess some people don’t know how to use a phone. Thank you for clearing this up for those that can’t use a phone..

  • WD7 LOVER

    and I still love my HTC Radar!    and I hate ANDROID…..

  • mantikos

    you are an idiot in a nut shell
    calling valid UI decisions – limitations…IDIOT!

    You deserve your Android hell…dumbass

    • then get the hell off this site…

      • mantikos

        K.M.A.

  • emeza1984

    Finally someone who knows how to use Windows Phone!

  • FUS3360

  • Buttons

    Eh, WP7 limitations only exist like this when compared to Android. Sure, Android is an very open and has a great market and features… but it is super buggy. Perhaps it is just my luck, but every Android phone I’ve owned (Cliq, Behold II, Cliq 2, 3G Slide, Vibrant, Galaxy S2, G2, Sensation 4G and Galaxy S3) have had issues everywhere. I’ve had phones freeze, restart, open and close programs at will, send messages to other people in the MMS thread (for that particular issue I could only have on thread at a time otherwise I had no guarantee that the message would go to the intended person, it got awkward before I caught it as ‘I love you!!!” messages for my husband went to various people…), playing music at full volume (even with media volume turned completely down via settings after it first happened, personal favorite was Tool’s ‘Prison Sex’ during church), various force close issues (from MMS to home screen failures), and phones getting stuck in portrait display as accelerometers failed (even on slide out, which I know is something else on the 3G slide specifically). Now I have had some issues from apps themselves but those listed above are from phones running stock in order to rule out an app issue.
    Now with my WP7 I have had it restart, and that was from an app. I got rid of it and haven’t has an issue since. That’s it, in a year of use I have had one issue.
    I try new Android phones because I love the market but I got tired of the phones eating themselves. So, I got an Android tablet to meet my needs. I much prefer a phone that works everyday versus and a tablet for fun stuff. My phone is used for work and school (by the way I am not a fan of swipe and the HD7’s size along with WP7’s keyboard is amazing! It is the MOST accurate keyboard I have ever used), so it needs to work. While there are some features I would love to see (mostly different volumes and real multitasking), I much prefer my phone to be reliable. Also, a feature I rarely hear about is when connected to a Bluetooth I can have my messages read to me and reply to them via voice command. None of my Android phones have done that, (if there is an app or setting for it I don’t know about it).
    This is just my testimony, my reasons of why I am a WP7 user. Take it however you want. 

    • FUS3360

      Thank you for posting this. Its about time we get an honest testimony!

    • Roger Johnson

      Curious how you used the Galaxy S3 considering its not even out yet.  I agree with your point that if you need a phone that only does calls and basic functions, WP7 is great.

      • Jimmy_Jangle

         He may not be in the US though. The S3 has been out here for a week or 2 now (UK)

    • Gina

      Just switched to an HTC Radar from an Android phones for exactly all of the bugs mentioned above.  In two years, I exchanged my phone 4 times because of bugs I could not live with.  Android left a BAD taste in my mouth!!!

  • Here are details on some selected items.

    1. No true multitasking for 3rd party apps – they re frozen in the background. – TRUE, although background multi-tasking options are available for 3rd party apps. Microsoft chose to control this tightly, perhaps too tightly.
    3. No mass storage mode. – TRUE. It would be handy to have, but it would need to be implemented in some kind of sandboxed fashion to keep it secure from malware.
    6. No filemanager. Directory system is totally opaque. – TRUE, and it’s a good thing. Microsoft is moving towards CONTRACT DATA SHARING, just like with Windows 8. This negates the requirements for a file manager. Sandboxed apps means even less need for a file manager.
    8. Your contact details are automatically uploaded to cloud service whether you like it or not. – ONLY if you use the Live ID.
    9. Limited to 800×480 resolution. – TRUE. Not really a problem for a phone.
    11. Cannot use any MP3 file as ringtone except those with strict constraints. – TRUE, but these constraints are not exactly severe.
    12. Cannot set static IP address so no connection to ad-hoc networks. – TRUE.
    13. No VPN support for this “corporate enterprise” phone. – TRUE, although not an issue with SharePoint and not really an issue for most users. Not an issue for Exchange Server connections either.
    14. Cannot sync directly with Outlook without syncing to Cloud. – TRUE.
    15. Totally closed OS, cannot sideload apps outside MS Marketplace. – NOT TRUE. Apps can be sideloaded, but requires that you either have a developer-unlocked phone, or unlocked with one of the Chevron tokens.
    16. System font size cannot be changed. TRUE.
    19. No centralized notification page. – NOT TRUE. There is a centralized notification area in the Me tile. However, it currently only shows notifications from social networking, and would be useful if this was expanded to all 3rd party app notifications.
    22. Only photos allowed as email attachments, documents not allowed. – NOT TRUE. Any Office documents can be sent by email simply by opening the document of choice and selecting the Share option, where you can choose to send it by email.
    25. No support for full on-device encryption required for secure applications like mobile banking and online payment. – TRUE, but on device encryption is different to message encryption. A secure banking app can be implemented as long as it doesn’t store any data locally.
    27. Cannot silence ringtone or alarm by flipping the phone. – NOT TRUE. All the HTC phones do this.
    29. Cannot be upgraded to WP8 (Apollo) – UNKNOWN – Depends on the handset, but nobody knows for sure.
    30. No always visible status bar for battery life, signal strength, carrier, 2G/3G wi-fi, Bluetooth on. – TRUE, but they appear when you need them to. For example, if you go to the phone book, the signal strength appears. It’s only one click at the top of the screen if you need to see them anyway.
    31. Taskmanager has no option to shut down apps you don’t want running in the background. – NOT TRUE. You can shutdown background tasks from Settings. And you can close them from the task manager by selecting the app, then pressing the Back button.
    34. No way to close an app except pressing back button all the way to the first screen. – NOT TRUE. To close a specific app, press and hold the Back button, select the app you want, then click the Back button to close the app.
    35. Tiny fonts in messages is very hard to read for those over 45. – UNKNOWN because I’m not there yet!!!
    41. Cannot lock screen orientation. – TRUE, although 3rd party devs have control over this for their own apps.
    46. Cannot recognize phone numbers in sms or email to save or use as calling number. – NOT TRUE.
    54. No video call. – NOT TRUE. Depends on the handset if it has front facing camera or not.
    55. No haptic feedback for keyboard. – NOT TRUE. This can be changed in the settings.
    56. No Swype. – TRUE, although the keyboard is good enough not to need it.
    57. No flashplayer support. – TRUE.
    58. No support for Java apps. – TRUE.
    61. No screenshots or app to do it. – TRUE, but can be done with an unlocked phone and a side-loaded app.
    64. No equalizer for Zune music player. – NOT TRUE – this is device specific. HTC includes an equaliser.
    65. FM radio doesn’t work on speaker. – NOT TRUE.
    77. Wi-fi disconnects when screen sleeps. TRUE – but it’s useful for battery saving.
    78. If you receive a text message when talking on the phone an audio alert will blast your ear at the full volume set. All other phones will give a soft beep. – NOT TRUE. Mine gives a soft beep, so must be device specific.
    86. No bluetooth file transfer. TRUE.
    92. Call history does not group calls by contact. TRUE, but you can view the call history for any contact by clicking their number from the main call history.
    96. No silent option (no vibrate and no ring) from ringer menu. Need a trip to settings and another trip to revert. – NOT TRUE. Simpley press the volume button, then click on the bell icon to toggle between silent and not-silent.
    100. Cannot change alarm ring tone or use a MP3 file. – NOT TRUE. You can change the alarm ring-tone, but you can’t use a custom MP3 file.
    110. Internet Explorer has no Forward/Backward button for page views. NOT TRUE – it has a Back button, but not a Forward button.

    • theking_13

      “Before diving into this list, you should know that the list ONLY references software and not misc extras a manufacturer may build in.”
      This includes the equalizer, and some of the things that are dev specific, like locking screen orientation. Taking a screen shot shouldn’t take as much work as you stated too.

    • WW

      Nice response, Adas.  Glad to hear a good number of these are drawbacks aren’t (or aren’t so much).

    • WW

      Nice response, Adas.  Glad to hear a good number of these are drawbacks aren’t (or aren’t so much).

    • ShinYiu

      You answered the many of the complaints (except those that were untrue) the way any Microsoftee would have answered them and that’s why WP will fail…

      So let me say this some of us… “YOU ARE NOT LISTENING”

      • ShinYiu

        sorry meant to say “So let me say this for some of us…”

      • Well, since I’m not a “Microsoftee”, then thankfully I don’t have to listen to you!

  • Roger Johnson

    My Issue With WP7…http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/18/3027998/ecobee-smart-si-thermostat-automation

    Again, another interesting device that is NOT developing an WP7 app.  At least this device gives you a limited abilities with a browser.

  • WW

    Number 81: “phone can’t be charged when off” doesn’t sound right/possible.

    If it can’t be charged while off, then it can only be charged when on. If you run the battery dead, your phone is off…now it can’t be charged ever?

    • Roger

      At least with my HD7.  The phone powers on when you plug it in.  If you power it off while it is plugged in, it will not charge.

  • Philosoraptor

    I’ll respond to all of these.  Besides my dorky name, I’m actually a Tech Lead and I work with Microsoft products on a daily basis.  Does that make a little bias?  Yeah probably.  But even our lead sys admin at work sports a Windows Phone.

    Personally I think Microsoft would have done better to call this phone a Xbox Phone since people see Windows and think bad. 

    I think WP7 needs to convert the fanboys, and then the regulars will come onboard.  How to do this?  Specs.  The OS is great and does not need the crazy specs, but they just need specs to shut the fanboys up.

    Also, in my experience I have found that many “haters” are misinformed.  This or they are intentionally spreading lies.  Whatever the reason, there is alot of misinformation out there.

    Previous phones were Cliq, MyTouch Slide, HD7, and now the One S.

    OS LIMITATIONS
    1. No true multitasking for 3rd party apps – they re frozen in the background.

    ** True multi-tasking on low end phones is terrible.  My One S doesn’t even multi-task properly.  In the end my HD7 switches apps faster than the One S.

    2. No Divx/Xvid video codec support. Zune will convert with loss of quality.

    ** Average consumer won’t even know what this is.

    3. No mass storage mode.

    ** Neither does the One S.  In fact, due to bloat the One S actually has less available storage than the HD7.

    4. No micro-SD card support.

    ** Same thing.  One S doesn’t have it either.

    5. Only support up to 16GB storage.

    ** Same thing.  One S is only 16 GB.  But let’s be honest, my music playlist is about 2 GB and I hit skip ALOT.  Having that much space is pointless.

    6. No filemanager. Directory system is totally opaque.

    ** A power user complaint.  Average consumer doesn’t care nor should they.

    7. Need Zune to transfer files. Zune will only transfer photos, videos & music. All other files need to email/upload to yourself.

    ** Seeing how Google is all about the cloud, I don’t get how this is bad for WP7.  Even on Android I still sync to my desktop but instead of Zune I have to use a clunky HTC interface or iSyncr.  And WP7, you have SkyDrive which is actually really good.

    8. Your contact details are automatically uploaded to cloud service whether you like it or not.

    ** And this is bad how?  Google phones (at least the One S) does the same thing.

    9. Limited to 800×480 resolution.

    ** This is only noticable on Large (i.e. the Titan) phones.  You need to hold the phone a few inches from your face to see pixels.  Come on, let’s be honest.

    10. Voice search is hardwired to Bing.

    ** Bing, despite what fanboys say, is actually good.  In fact I kind of miss it.

    11. Cannot use any MP3 file as ringtone except those with strict constraints.

    ** It has to be a certain size and length.  Not a problem (for me anyway).

    12. Cannot set static IP address so no connection to ad-hoc networks.

    ** Power user complaint.  Average user doesn’t care.

    13. No VPN support for this “corporate enterprise” phone.

    ** Power user complaint.  Average user doesn’t care.

    14. Cannot sync directly with Outlook without syncing to Cloud

    ** Reading complaints about having to use the Cloud when that’s Google whole approach is funny.

    15. Totally closed OS, cannot sideload apps outside MS Marketplace.

    ** You used to be able to.  If you really care about it sign up as a Dev and pay $99 and do all you want.

    16. System font size cannot be changed.

    ** In my opinion, it doesn’t need to be.  But I can’t even change the font much on my One S.

    17. Images and photos cannot be renamed in the phone.

    ** Power user complaint.  Average user doesn’t care.

    18. Windows Live ID account cannot change country once set.

    ** Power user complaint.  Average user doesn’t care.

    19. No centralized notification page.

    ** Hey a valid complaint.  Yes, Android notifications are much better than WP7.  Hopefully WP8 does something about it.

    20. Alarm clock cannot work when phone is turned off. All Nokia Symbian and Meego phones can do this.

    ** But Android doesnt either…

    21. The idle screen is completely blank and cannot display time or notifications.

    ** I’m assuming idle screen is the Lock Screen?  The lock screen DOES display time, calendar, and notification info.

    22. Only photos allowed as email attachments, documents not allowed.

    ** I never noticed this.  I actually don’t believe it since I never had any problems with email on the phone.  I would need to look back to confirm.

    23. Bluetooth does not have rSAP protocol which is the most common protocol for car audio streaming.

    ** Some people may be affected.  Bluetooth is hit or miss on the Android side anyway.

    24. Cannot stream audio from video to Bluetooth devices (No A2DP).

    ** True

    25. No support for full on-device encryption required for secure applications like mobile banking and online payment.

    ** Unsure, but for what it’s worth, WP7 is less likely to have any malware when compared to Android.

    26. Cannot use Bluetooth keyboard.

    ** Sounds like a niche market.

    27. Cannot silence ringtone or alarm by flipping the phone.

    ** False on HTC phones from what I remember.  I think it comes with build in settings to handle this (I forget what it’s called).

    28. Very limited customization option.

    ** True, but by comparison I never feel happy with my Android home screens (tell me you don’t feel the same).  On HD7 I set it and was just happy.

    29. Cannot be upgraded to WP8 (Apollo)

    ** UNCONFIRMED

    USABILITY ISSUES
    30. No always visible status bar for battery life, signal strength, carrier, 2G/3G wi-fi, Bluetooth on.

    ** You like having the status bar always wasting screen real estate?

    31. Taskmanager has no option to shut down apps you don’t want running in the background.

    ** In WP7 you actually don’t need to worry about killing tasks.  It handles this better for you.  This is why WP7 phones with low specs run great.

    32. Search and Back button cannot be de-activated in apps or games and easily touched by accident which interrupt your user experience.

    ** Yes this is annoying.

    33. Lockscreen need to be activated to show missed call/sms notification.

    ** True for SMS and emails.  LED works for missed calls.

    34. No way to close an app except pressing back button all the way to the first screen.

    ** Again, in WP7 you don’t have to worry about it like you would in Android.

    35. Tiny fonts in messages is very hard to read for those over 45.

    ** False.  WP7 fonts are LARGER and easier to read than Android.

    36. Cannot create and save playlists on the phone.

    ** True.  People do this?

    37. Playlist can only be edited when you are playing it.

    ** True.

    38. Cannot search your music collection on the phone, only in the Marketplace.

    ** Kind of true.  You can still browse your music by Artist Name, Song, Album, etc.  I never find myself typing a name out in Android.

    39. Cannot close music player, can only pause. Music player on lockscreen will stay until you reboot. Be careful not to touch it in a meeting.

    ** True, but not a problem the way this trys to make it seem.  I never accidentally hit the play button on my phone.  You won’t either.

    40. No draggable progress bar for current track playing and no indication which track in an album is currently playing

    ** True.  You have to use the Forward and Back buttons.

    41. Cannot lock screen orientation.

    ** Depends on the App.

    42. Online and phone contacts are mixed together with no ability to filter.

    ** False.  You CAN filter contacts.  In fact I removed the linkedin and twitter contacts from my list.

    43. Cumbersome dialing with no smartdial. Not able to enter alphabets into dialler for name lookup.

    ** You can pin any contact to your homescreen and dial them that way.  Besides that the dialer is not bad.

    44. Cannot save draft sms messages.

    ** True.

    45. Call history only show phone number type. If a contact has multiple phone nos. for a type the number used is unknown.

    ** This isn’t true.  I had work contacts with multiple number (cell/work/home) and don’t remember having any issue.

    46. Cannot recognize phone numbers in sms or email to save or use as calling number.

    ** I think Mango update may have fixed this.  Maybe I’m wrong.

    47. Text messages can only be deleted one by one or the whole thread.

    ** Not really a big problem unless you’re cheating on your wife LOL

    48. Cannot select multiple pictures for deleting, sending or uploading. They must be done one at a time.

    ** True, but not as annoying as you’d think.

    49. Clicking on the Me Tile doesn’t take you directly to your notifications it takes you to your profile, a serious usability blunder

    ** True, but isn’t as bad a “blunder” as you think.

    50. Apps are listed alphabetically with no way to group by category. Can be hard to find if you don’t remember the name.

    ** True, but Android does this by default also… meaning the average consumer won’t care or notice.

    51. Calendar scheduler has no weekly view and monthly view is non-zoomable.

    ** False.  You can zoom to month from what I remember.

    52. No peak time/off-peak time scheduling for email downloads to prevent unnecessary email downloads at overnight.

    ** True.  Again, I worried less about what my WP7 phone did which I found to be a good thing.

    53. If both wi-fi and data connection are available which one it chooses to use is unpredictable. User experiences don’t agree with Microsoft that it “typically” choose wi-fi over 3G.

    ** I NEVER had any issue with this.

    FEATURE LIMITATIONS
    54. No video call.

    ** False.  Mango supports video calls.

    55. No haptic feedback for keyboard.

    ** False.  The HD7 does.

    56. No Swype.

    ** True.  But in my experience, the only reason I need Swype is because the keyboard on Android are terrible.  TERRIBLE.  The WP7 keyboard is fan-freaking-tastic.  Seriously.

    57. No flashplayer support.

    ** True.  But guess what, Chrome browser on Android doesn’t either!  Ha!

    58. No support for Java apps.

    ** True?

    59. No call recording or app to do it.

    ** True.  Again, cheating your wife eh?

    60. No call blocking or app to do it.

    ** True.  Stop being a playa.

    61. No screenshots or app to do it.

    ** True.  How many times did I really need it?  Zero.

    62. No auto wallpaper changer and no app to do it.

    ** True.

    63. Totally locked down os means apps which interact directly with hardware not allowed. This excludes a whole range of useful apps

    ** WP7 is all about you not worrying about your phone.  I didn’t need it.

    64. No equalizer for Zune music player.

    ** False.  HTC Phones provide this.

    65. FM radio doesn’t work on speaker.

    ** I never used the FM Radio.

    66. IE browser has no text reflow, no download capability and no offline reading.

    ** Text reflow is actually very annoying in Android. 

    ** This is person opinion maybe, but the whole text reflow is why pinch to zoom is horrid in android. 

    ** Chrome Beta doesn’t reflow the text (which is why I use it). 

    ** I think the download piece works for certain files. 

    67. No 3rd party browsers allowed except those based on IE.

    ** I found the IE browser to be better than most, if not all, browsers I’ve found in android.  Personal opinion.

    68. Volume up/down buttons cannot be used to zoom in camera (sign of an immature os)

    ** So use the On Screen buttons.  Is that so hard?

    69. Cannot open zip or rar files received as email attachment.

    ** True.

    70. Cannot send or receive video by MMS.

    ** True.  People do this?

    71. Office Mobile has much less features than 3rd party Office editors like SmartOffice, QuickOffice and Polaris. Shame on you, Microsoft!

    ** Haha.  Yes, it’s odd that Android renders word docs better than WP7 does (in my experiece).  Is it that bad?  No.

    72. No native Google maps and Bing maps is useless for most countries outside U.S.

    ** I think international support has been improving.  Us Americans wouldn’t be affected.

    73. Email time stamp does not show the year.

    ** I don’t remember noticing this.  If you have years worth of emails on your phone then you have bigger problems.

    74. Wide difference in apps availability in different markets and users locked to one market.

    ** Again, international support has been improving.  Us Americans wouldn’t be affected.

    75. Not all Bing features available outside U.S. especially Local Scout

    ** Same answer.

    76. One volume control for all functions including media playback, ringtones, alarms, notifications.

    ** In my switch to the One S, I actually found it annoying to have to go into settings to lower my Media playback sound.  WP7 is all about less steps, and if I wanted to lower to music volume I simple hit the volume rocker button.  On Android I have to start the music or go to settings.

    77. Wi-fi disconnects when screen sleeps.

    ** False.  I ran downloads and left the phone alone for a while.

    78. If you receive a text message when talking on the phone an audio alert will blast your ear at the full volume set. All other phones will give a soft beep.

    ** Kind of true.

    79. Can only enter one mobile phone no. for each contact. Mobile nos. entered in other fields will not accept sms.

    ** True.  But who really comes across this?

    80. Cannot send/receive MMS without enabling 3G data connection. MMS does not use 3G data.

    ** I don’t remember this.  Have a data plan and don’t worry about.

    81. Phone cannot be charged when off.

    ** What they mean to say is the phone powers on automatically when plugged in.

    82. Need to be plugged in to wall charger to sync wirelessly (a funny definition of wireless).

    ** True.  Battery saver.

    83. Oversized fonts for headings waste screen space and result in low information density

    ** I actually like the Metro look and feel.

    84. Phone will wake up and display sms content on lockscreen when locked – a privacy violation.

    ** True.  Not all the text is displayed, and it’s only for a second.  No images are ever displayed.

    85. Phone can be rebooted without entering security code.

    ** Unsure.

    86. No bluetooth file transfer.

    ** True.

    87. Cannot handle USSD codes necessary for prepaid users to obtain services.

    ** Unsure.

    88. Cannot filter call history into Missed Calls, Received Calls, Dialled Calls, Recent Calls, etc

    ** True.  Most people wouldn’t notice.

    89. No way to backup or export call history

    ** True.  Most people don’t care.

    90. Cannot show call duration in call history.

    ** True.  Most people don’t care.

    91. No way to edit MMS profile to work with a carrier in the OS. Need an app which is not available in all markets.

    ** And who realistically has this problem?

    92. Call history does not group calls by contact.

    ** True

    93. Call history does not show the time of call for calls older than current day.

    ** Dont remember.

    94. Cannot set custom sounds for different types of notifications.

    ** You can set a custom ringtone only.

    95. No ringer profiles.

    ** True

    96. No silent option (no vibrate and no ring) from ringer menu. Need a trip to settings and another trip to revert.

    ** False.  You can set this on the lockscreen.  I actually miss this since it was so easy to silence or unsilence my phone.

    97. Cannot send/receive contact as a csv file.

    ** People do this?

    98. Cannot backup sms to PC.

    ** People do this?

    99. Cannot save contact to SIM card.

    ** True.  But you can download your contacts to CSV and import to Android (I did).

    100. Cannot change alarm ring tone or use a MP3 file.

    ** True

    101. Cannot set alarm snooze interval.

    ** True.  Wasn’t annoying.

    BONUS SHORTCOMINGS
    102. Unable to read long names in audio and video playlist as they get cut off

    ** I don’t remember.  But while on this, let me say something — Zune Music Player is better looking and works much better than anything I found in Android.

    103. Zune does not allow user to add or update podcasts directly from the phone

    ** I don’t user this.

    104. Zune can only be installed if you have an internet connection

    ** …what?

    105. Alarm does not revert to speaker if headphones are plugged in.

    ** You mean it plays out of the headphones when plugged in… as it should.  Right?

    106. Forwarded emails cannot be edited

    ** I don’t remember this.

    107. OS does not reduce volume of text message alerts when using headphones

    ** I don’t remember having this problem.  And I use headphones alot.

    108. All photos automatically upload to Skydrive have resolution reduced (no option) and lose their EXIF information

    ** I never noticed any issue with skydrive.

    109. Wifi- hotspot and internet tethering not integral features in the OS but need to be provided by manufacturer on a case by case basis.

    ** How is Android any different?

    110. Internet Explorer has no Forward/Backward button for page views.

    ** Hold the back button

    • akuthakur

      “Us Americans wouldn’t be affected.”  is dat even a valid reply? or defense? 

      • Philosoraptor

        This being a T-Mobile website, I don’t see why not.

    • keithzg

      Many of your responses are that “yeah, but Android isn’t any better or different.” I don’t want to sound harsh, but I think you might fail at research and/or reading comprehension, because where does Android enter into this at all? The list was written by a guy who knows Symbian phones and currently has an N9, and is in the context of Nokia ditching the existing Symbian and promising MeeGo/Harmattan for the supposedly more “modern and mature” WP7. The question is not whether this stacks up against Android or not, it’s “why did Nokia ditch an OS that, point-by-point, is superior?” 

      Anyways though, even in regards to Android some of your replies are wrong (for point 109, Android nowadays actually does have hotspot and tethering baked into the OS; now, many US carriers screw with that, but manufacturers and/or carriers taking it out is rather different than if each manufacturer had to add it). But again, that’s besides the point; as an N9 user myself, every time I pick up an Android phone I’m baffled at all the little things it can’t do, or does so poorly when compared to Harmattan. That in some respects Windows Phone is perhaps not much worse than Android is willfully ignoring the argument the original author is actually making.

      • Philosoraptor

        I didn’t read the link, just the list. My mistake. Anyway just responded from a point of view from someone who has used android and wp7. I’m not sure Tmo offers Symbian phones.

  • tommy

    Wow what a list of excuses. Average customer and power user. tee hee hee silly. take it with a grain of salt. Microsoft has always been this way they have to be hit with a sledge hammer to see reality.

    • Philosoraptor

      Like not being able to rename a picture file is a serious problem for anyone. 

      Tee Hee.   You so silly.

      • tommy

        You cannot ‘rename’ a picture? That must be some amazing new system. Could you enlighten me? You give a picture a name, and it is not a file. So you cannot rename it? I did not see renaming pictures in your response. I am sorry if I had a facetious or mocking tone (really). I think it’s an interesting point that the system is what the user cannot know or use, they don’t need. Sometimes that works I know. I usually err on the side of the users should be learning. It’s amazing what people can do now that 10 years ago was impossible for most people to understand (about using the web for forms, etc). Can you copy and paste a picture? There is no file manager possible on windows 7 phone? wow…I could not live without file managers myself. Seriously. And storage space? it increases so fast, Sd cards are just a stopgap because they’re harder to use than main memory but really important I’m sure. I’m thinking about how I remember how a 20 MB drive cost $300 and was thought of as excessive. ha. oops no laughing.

        • Philosoraptor

          What real world purpose does renaming a picture file name serve?  Besides shits and giggles, I can’t think of any.  If you need to do any real changes to a photo, you would just upload it your computer and work with it there.  Yes, the functionality of sharing photos exists in WP7 (received in email, text, or on the web and then pasted or “shared” into some other email, text, or to the web).

          Microsoft made a phone that doesn’t require you to maintain it with a file manager or even a task manager.  I know that idea is hard to grasp if you’ve only used Android.  Buy one, use it for a good while and you’ll understand.  It just works.  You don’t have to worry about phone maintenance.

          If storage is your issue, how much storage space do you actually use?  I think my entire music collection is around 5 GB.  I only load about 2 GB on my phone.  Then I have my work email, personal email, pics, and videos and I never even get close to 16 GB.  But even this “issue” isn’t specific to WP7.  My One S is only 16 GB.

          Microsoft came out with an original idea, not a copy of iPhone’s OS.  They, so far, have limited fragmentation and a vast majority of phones are on version 7.5.  So why all the hate?  Insecure about an emerging “threat”?  I don’t get it.  It’s clear who has, and who hasn’t used the phone besides 5 minutes in the store.  I own both and I enjoy each phone system for different reasons, but WP7 is good and I’ll be back to them when the new WP8 comes out.

        • tommy

          You make good points. But I want my phone to be as good as my computer. I dont want to upload it to my computer.
          I don’t want to store movies and music anywhere but maybe Sd card and phone. Things evolve and your phone I’m afraid in 2 years will be a paper weight. I’m just saying in my experience. Or else windows 8 will have file manager or equivalent.
          By the way, on Android you can use the USB port for mass storage (and keyboard and mouse) so on Windows phone?… if you could use USB for a thumb drive then problem solved.
          Microsoft wants you to use Azure to store all the stuff you cannot store on your phone. That’s where I start giggling and snickering again. What about google drive, drop box, SD cards, thumb drives, external USB drives? That’s just lack of flexibility. And for that I say…kill kill kill…sorry I should keep my emotions polite. AND by the way while you’re storing all your music and movies up on Azure, are you paying TMobile for Data just to transfer data to the cloud and back?…kill kill kill. sorry but that’s my feelings. I like expressing feelings…

        • Philosoraptor

          You lost all credibility when you mentioned Azure. Azure is more of an enterprise tool. What you meant to say is SkyDrive. I’m guessing you spend 5 minutes looking this up and found the wrong result.

          Anyway, if you are against the Cloud the Google is not for you. Google’s platform is the internet. They want you to use the Cloud.

        • Roger

          Actually, Microsoft SkyDrive IS AZURE and Microsoft wants app developers to use Azure for storage, compute time, and database access.

        • Philosoraptor

          SkyDrive and Azure are not the same.  While they are both Cloud products from Microsoft, they serve different purposes.

        • Roger

          Correct But SkyDrive IS ON AZURE.  Though its hidden from you, its running Azure.

        • gwhyte01

          Here Here man.

        • Even IF someone wanted to rename a photo, it can be done with photo editing apps.

    • Roger

      Thats the part I don’t understand.  Microsoft has always been “if you don’t like it, change it”.  WP7 is MORE RESTRICTIVE than iPhone.

  • Marsx7

     I have owned every kind of phone out since windows mobile and blackberry were
    relevant, and i can tell exactly what wp7 problem is, its just not cool and does not meet peoples expectations. I am 25
    and currently own an hd7 on t mobile. I’m considering switching carriers just to get a new phone. i have had t mobile since 2007 and before
    that at&t (can’t stand at&t but that’s a different story). I like my hd7
    mostly because of how solid it is inside and out. it doesn’t feel like a fisher
    price toy and i don’t have to soft reset on a weekly basis. in fact i have not
    so much as formatted the thing since i got it, something i did monthly on android
    and occasionally on blackberry (i only did so on iPhone cuz i kept jail-breaking
    it). that being said i am getting tired of the phone. its boring. one of the
    main reasons i got the phone was for netflix which needs an update badly. it is the farthest thing from competitive, and the lack of RELEVANT apps is a serious let down. i swear i enjoyed my Razr a whole lot more than any phone I’ve had so far. it met my expectations. my Razr did everything i would expect my then 259$ phone to do, but my hd7 does not. it did at first, but in this market of sheer convenience, its falling behind fast. in 2006 i was out of school and on my own working at a grocery store didn’t have mobile banking, didn’t pay for my own car insurance, didn’t email anybody, and myspace was still big. 2007 i landed a job at a payroll company and suddenly had to be professional. i had contacts to manage, emails to send and receive, documents to bring home and go over. picked up a dash on t mobile. it did all that plus the added benefit of surfing the web better than the razr plus i could load cartoons to the memory card for watching on the train. loved that phone. did everything i expected it to do. in 2009 i started selling stuff local and online, moved to the beach and met new people. i also dropped my dash in some water, so i picked up a blackberry curve. the curve still handled all my contacts and emails only BETTER, still did video but had a better camera for taking pictures of ex girlfriends and uploading them to Facebook. i got ZERO reception on the beach so the WiFi calling option was heaven. never missed a call or had a call drop. wonderful phone. only thing it didn’t do was handle my video files like the dash so i didn’t watch cartoons on it (didn’t have to ride the train anymore so i guess i didn’t matter that much) so it was kinda of let down. i found i used my iPod for all my media so i got an iPhone from my friend and instantly fell in love. apps were awesome i did mobile banking for the first time, found myself on my phone more than i was on my computer. email kinda sucked but i no longer worked for that payroll company so it wasn’t important. i could get ebay notifications from stuff i was selling and i could handle payments on the go. my brother had a g1 at the time and found that he could do some of the same things just not a lot. the advantage tho was he had 3g where i was stuck on edge so in 2010 i got a vibrant. i loved the screen and the apps were great. the ability to customize my phone was new but found i didn’t really care to much about it. i loved android but the vibrant felt like somebody glued two blockbuster cards together. it was cheap. i bought a case for it and all was good till the random reboots started. first monthly then weekly then daily. did a soft reset, then battery pulls, then a hard reset. only plus was all my stuff was backed up to Google. then i found that it uploaded stuff i had no intention of uploading. it randomly uploaded photos to Facebook that i didn’t choose. it was buggy as hell and i began to hate it. i gave it to my sister as a birthday present soon after. i used a sidekick for a while till the hd7 came out, and since I’m a Microsoft fanboy i jumped on it. loved the phone, it had a good camera. i could watch netflix which only the iPhone could do at the time, and i could still do online banking with BoA and i could pay my car insurance with an app too. great phone for first 6 months. then i began to get irritated. still no WiFi calling, receptions in my house sucks (iPhone has slightly better reception), i switched banks to wells Fargo, and guess what? no app. (iPhone and android and even blackberry have one). i fell in love with this game called run in crowd on my ipad, and guess what? no app (iphone, android, and blackberry have one) can’t save or send documents except by something called a skydrive? what the heck is that anyway? i don’t care so much for backgrounds and stuff or for customizing it but at least give me the option for a different ringtone!! come on!! i found an old Nokia in the closet and not only could i change the wallpaper to my favorite beautiful ladies but i could change the ringtone to whatever i pleased. small gripe but still there. by far my biggest pitfall with this phone is the inability to save important text messages. every smartphone prior to this one could do it. this one can’t. i absolutely MUST have this option but sadly this phone cannot do it. i have been searching and searching but found nothing. i can’t even update to another version of windows phone cuz none of them do it. all of them are the same. i don’t even mind that they are all the same, if only windows had come out with a more capable OS from day 1. give me the all the options i need so that i wouldn’t have to look for them in the future. that’s the benefit of iphone. android has a new release and a new phone like every other day. windows just kinda “came out” and that was it. i have now had this phone for a little over a year and i can no longer live with it. im missing calls i can’t check my bank accounts easily, and when, not if, i sell it i can’t save my text messages. this phone has not met my expectations and has let me down. i like windows, xbox live, hotmail, and even internet explorer (though firefox runs a lot better imo) but this phone is a serious let down and there isn’t even any relief in the horizon.

    • Roger

      Great Post!  I have the HD7 also and it was around the 6 month mark that I started hating WP7.

  • wow you really slammed it down here. 

  • Some of these flaws are in all OSes though. It’s more of a feature request type thing, but others are pretty big oversights that the OS doesn’t have the capability to do things like set a ringtone from an mp3 file and there are many other things.

    • Happyandhard

      you can set an MP3 as a ringtone on WP7.5.  set its genre as “ringtone” and it will appear in the list.

      • gwhyte01

        This is true….I’ve got 13 custom ringtones…..wma and mp3…..and they sound great.

    • keithzg

      Which of flaws are in all OSes, in particular? Remember, this is a list coming from someone using an N9 . . . personally, as someone who doesn’t actually own an Android device, I’m constantly shocked by tiny little things I assumed every modern phone OS must do (especially as Nokia ditched MeeGo because it was ostensibly not “mature enough”) yet apparently nobody does. For example, you can’t just close all open apps from the ICS multitasking view? WTF?

      So I’m curious (I’m not trolling, I’m too sad about MeeGo’s lost hopes to have the energy to troll ;) ) what tidbits you think no OS does, because I’d love to see how MeeGo stacks up against what people expect and what people think would be too much to even expect . . .

  • Nithi Music

    GU job keepitup

  • souggie

    I have a radar , it’s lagged about 7times since I’ve had it, and crashed twice. No phone is perfect, but I’ll tell you my galaxy nexus has yet to crash……so I’m taking our over my radar, which is now a backup phone

    • gwhyte01

      Now I know you’re lying……..I have a lumia 710, radar, hd7, g2, vibrant, galaxy tab 10.1 iphone 4 and a one x that I found……guess which ones lag..its not the windows phones…..even my $600 tmobile galaxy tab lags and the new one  x lags…..lags…..lags….and effing lags…..I LOVE MY WINDOWS PHONE…

  • Wow lots of negatives :( 

    I like my WP and i’ve been an Android & iOS user for sometime. I do agree that the OS is quite closed and not as open as it should be. 

  • gwhyte01

    Lets get this straight….whoever wrote this list is a freakin dumbass…..half this shhhhh is because the person doesn’t know how to use the damn phone…..calendar doesn’t display month view, hell yea it does….seems like the person is saying he wants a android phone, but windows phone isn’t android buddy.

    • keithzg

      Actually, you’re misreading his post; he’s saying it doesn’t display a WEEK view, and can’t zoom in on the month view.

      Also, most of his complaints are because Symbian and MeeGo (or Harmattan, at least) DO do these things, ex. sending arbitrary files over bluetooth, turning off an alarm by flipping over the phone, keeping a persistent set of notifications on the screen even while ‘off’, etc. Believe me, as an N9 user, there’s a very similar (albeit far less extensive) list of faults with Android, and many of them overlap with this list. It isn’t a matter of an Android fanboy hating on WP7, it’s a matter of a Nokia fanboy wanting to continue loving the company’s products but watching them being replaced by a demonstrably inferior OS.

      • Some of these things are just…uh…wrong. Some will be fixed by end of year with Apollo/WP8. Some would just sacrifice ease of use for geek chic and won’t ever make it.

        • and SOME are maddening even to a WinPhan like me! :)

    • FUS3360

      If this person can’t use something as simple as Windows phone, then he should be using android. Lol.
      You are right tho. He doesn’t know the OS which is why so much of this lost is completely wrong.

  • tommy

    What does this mean: ” Calendar scheduler has no weekly view and monthly view is non-zoomable” ?

    • ratnok

      If you had an Android Ice Cream Sandwich phone, you would understand. 

      • Riopato

        So you have to have a 4th revision Os in order to do what a second revision phone can’t? Guess I’ll have to wait then.

  • I feel as if you want all of those geeky custom features, you should get yourself an android phone.

    If you want a very rigid and strict set of rules that are essentially determined by one man, get an iPhone.  If you want a clean, new, non cluttered, mildly restricted feature set…get a Windows Phone.

    The no-rules method of Android is turning out to be a huge mess of confusion, ugliness, and frustrating usability for the average user while any iOS user will tell you they wished they had more options. Windows Phone fills that void.

    • ratnok

      “The no-rules method of Android is turning out to be” a raging success for consumers, and are mass rejecting the fanboy evangelism of Windows Phone owners. 

      There. Fixed.

  • “Cannot stream audio from video to Bluetooth devices (No A2DP).”  My Nokia Lumia 900 does this.  My Focus did not.

    • FUS3360

      Same here.  My focus didn’t so I was really surprised when my Nokia did right out of the box.

    • Riopato

      That’s interesting. I wonder if my lumia 710 works? I assumed it didn’t since my venue pro doesn’t so I never tried.

      • FUS3360

         i was definitely surprised when my lumia worked.

  • Roger

    In the end, WP will fail unless Microsoft loosens its programming environment so companies make applications for it.  What makes a good phone is one that allows you to do as many things as possible on the phone nativly.  If companies aren’t going to program to it, it will fail.

  • Lubbalots

    Love my hd7.  The best and longest phone I ever had.  Does everything for me with ease.  For those who claim the hd7 and is is boring after couple months of use, that’s just too bad.  Go back to you razr and download a couple of stripper backgrounds.  It’ll keep you occupied for another 6 months… 

  • rtechie

    Of course the biggest problem with WP7 is that the entire platform, including all 3rd party applications, is being discontinued by Microsoft at the end of the year. Windows 8 is a completely different OS from WP7 (which is a skinned version of Windows Mobile 6.5) and 3rd party WP7 apps may or may not work with Windows 8 phones. But no WP7 device will be able to run Windows 8, period. Specs are too low. 

    • Riopato

      Winmo 6.5 is based on WinCe 5 while windows phone 7 is completely new build based on WinCe 6 which was supposed to be winmo 7. Unless you work for Microsoft, you don’t know what windows phone 8 will be based on.

    • Jlesho09

      There is so much wrong information here. Someone here has already stated that WP7/7.5 are COMPLETELY different from 6.5 so I won’t touch on that much, but I’m not honestly sure where that’s coming from. It’s a completely new OS from the ground up…

      As far as WP8 compatibility, it’s already been stated NUMEROUS times that WP7/7.5 apps will run on WP8.
      http://www.wpcentral.com/microsoft-reaffirms-app-compatibility-windows-phone-8-hints-silverlight-death

      This official statement is the most important thing to take from that article:

      “With regard to existing applications: today’s Windows Phone applications and games will run on the next major version of Windows Phone. Driving application compatibility is a function of Microsoft’s commitment to its developers. Regardless of what we release in terms of new developer features and functionality, we have made a large investment in protecting your existing investments.”

      As far as Windows Phone 8 specs and minimum requirements, that information has not been released yet, but there have been reports of Windows Phone 8 being tested on 1st and 2nd gen devices, so clearly it hasn’t been ruled out just yet.

  • Riopato

    I really need point #14 fixed right now! Mac users are forced to use exchange in order to sync their outlook since cloud syncing isn’t available for mac office!
    I can wait for the rest of this if only point 14 has a solution outside of exchange!

  • Fray26

    Certain things are true and certain things arent. But for the most part, Windows Phone Apollo will come and fix those problems. Its only temporary.

  • Cairat

    My three primary gripes (and I know one of them will be getting fixed with Apollo) are:

    ~No SD Capabilities (being fixed in WP8)

    ~Having to use Zune to transfer anything (Zune is a clunky program and could be so much better IMHO) (Kind of being fixed with WP8)

    ~Personalization: I converted to WP when my old Blackberry Curve died and my dad gave me his HD7. I was hooked and still love the system (especially considering the fact that BB has stagnated as far as handset innovation is concerned). The one thing I sincerely miss from them though was their ringtone personalization. You could use ANY valid audio file you had saved, even if it was too long for a valid ringer. You could also personalize ringers, not only to each person, but to each type of communication from each person. On my BB I had my general ringer and text message notification. I also had different tones for each of the three linked e-mail addresses I used. On top of that I gave all the members of my family a different ringer so I’d know (just by sound) if it was family/friends or not. I could also go into each individual contact and give each of their possible communication means a different sound. So my wife not only had her own ringtone but, if she sent me a text, she had her own tone. If she sent me an e-mail, she had her own tone (and I could even specify different tones for each e-mail address she would send from. I rigged my incoming Twitter texts with a short, minimum volume tone so they wouldn’t be distracting. On top of that you could set each of those ringers to individual volume levels and vibration settings. That is the one feature I truly miss from my Blackberry but I will keep my WP in hopes that they will enact these changes soon.

  • tommy

    are there windows phone tablets like we have ice cream sandwich on android? are there any good remote control (phone or tablet) to windows apps like we ‘jump desktop’ on android? how are the apps? 

  • Aqibone

     Patience Man…. Patience…. Your Android took almost 5 long years of experimental journey to reach where it is today. Even then, with all power of Quad Core behind, it still stutters, freezes, crashes, and can’t even scroll smoothly. Still this is the most resource hungry and inefficient OS among the others.

    The Windows OS for mobile phone, on the other hand brings freshness, smoothness, aesthetics and most importantly stability and reliability, to the table, which android can only dream even after 5 years of experimental journey.

    Give Windows OS some time, and I am sure, this platform will bring most of your listed features and more with the same freshness, smoothness, aesthetics, and importantly stability and reliability to the end users.

    I know mobile phone is a very personal choice, it’s hard to convince anybody to use this or that OS or model. It purely boils down to what you want to do with your device. But I believe we need to give every OS fair amount of time and chance to prove.

  • BlahBlah

    Hate to say it but no (easy) video upload to Google may be a deal breaker for me. I like the phone otherwise. I sold my iphone, and will probably choose an android phone after this. Google knows what we want in a phone, like easy video sharing. (duh) Most of the stuff on the list I agree with but the one that sticks in my mind is the universal volume control. BAHHHD. I want my ringtone loud but my games muted.