T-Mobile’s “4G Super Phone” Top 5 Phone Savings Breakdown

For many of you, seeing the “Value” in T-Mobile’s “Value Plan” sales is something that just hasn’t happened yet. While we aren’t exactly fans of T-Mobile consistently pushing Value Plan-only sales, as this leaked screen grab shows, customers can see some net savings over the length of their contract on a Value Plan.

These 5 T-Mobile phones that require a $20 Equipment Installment Program monthly rate are also the phones most likely to show a customer net savings over the $100 mark. Sneak a peak at the image and discuss.

Are you planning on taking advantage of T-Mobile’s own Value Plan sale or Retail Partner Stores Classic plan offer?

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  • http://profiles.google.com/ryanbmarx Ryan Marx

    It’s also hard to see the value in value plans when T-Mobile pulls baits-and-switches with device pricing. Either the Galaxy S 2 is worth $529 or it isn’t. Because it’s on sale suddenly the price goes up? Why not be honest and just offer a smaller discount instead of this sham?

    • Anonymous

      Yeah that’s lame-o.

    • Anonymous

      Because you apparently can’t do third grade math.  The Value plans allow customers to get a discounted monthly rate plan INSTEAD of the discounted phone every other carrier in the US offers.   On sale days like this, (when you factor in you are getting a mail-in-rebate to cover the down payment) you are getting BOTH.  Discounted phone AND discounted plan. 

      • Guest77

        Since you have a PhD in Math, why don’t you just explain with numbers instead of bashing comments! Take SGS2 as an example and explain how much it will cost to the customer!

        • Anonymous

          Value plans are strictly NO phone subsidy rate plans.  You get a plan subsidy instead.  Now on top of that a GS2 retails at $529.  On sale day the device is marked up to $599 however you still get a $200 mail in rebate if you purchase on sale day.  So when all is said and done you’re paying $400 for a Galaxy S II AND you get the discounted rate plan (value plan.)  Whether you break up the phone into interest free installments is really on you but the rebate is designed to cover the down payment.

        • guest

          I believe the op understands the numbers, he was simply stating that they should keep the price marked at $529, and offer a $130 MIR.  When they mess around with the “Retail Price,” it makes everything seem a bit shady.

  • Aaron Tant

    Trivial, but we don’t have a BB 9800.  9360, yes. 9810, yes. 9900, yes. and a few older models for prepay, but, that’s it.  Typo.

    • Aaron Tant

      obviously, not your fault, David.  I know it is one of our screen shots, I just wish we would learn to screen our info.

      • http://tmonews.com David

        What do you mean?

        • Buttons

          I think he means the BB 9800 isnt avail and its on the list. Also that its their (Tmo) issue and they need to look at their internal info better.

        • Aaron Tant

          right, as an employee, it frustrates me when we put false info up/out.  We don’t have a 9800.  As far as I can remember, we have never had a 9800.

        • Anonymous

          So is it the 9900 or the 9810?

        • Aaron Tant

          the phone that is at the store and online is the BB 9900.

  • Rob Reder

    And it costs me an extra $30/month over my current legacy plan to pay more for a phone than a traditional upgrade would. Pass again.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mark.schroeder1 Mark Schroeder

    Also if you are now paying an extra $10+ a month on data because they push you to 5g’s a month instead of 2 you are now paying more and not actually saving.

    • Xermys

      Nope.  You need the 2 GB data

  • Joshfranklin

     I am wondering if the white galaxy s2 will be available with this deal and whether or not I even qualify for the weekend deal. I am due for a full upgrade. I am on the a unlimited text and 3000 minute for all 3 lines and 1 unlimted web. 3 lines.

    • Anonymous

      U might want to checkout Target,since they have SG2 for sale for $129.00 (plus tax,insurance) until Saturday.
      But not the whiteone,you can only get it from Tmobile. Someone wrote that Target will have it on sale Sunday for $99.00 not sure if they will,even if they do,get it for $129.00,if they do have it for $99.00 go back for refund. There is no waiting for rebates card in the mail.

      • Joshfranklin

        Thank you very much for the info. Its very appreciated

  • voicestream

    so now they admit raising the price deliberately so you can “get it back” via rebate?  who are they kidding?  my last tmobile rebate took 3 months and a couple dozen phone calls, so unless you call every week, chances are you will not see that rebate monie returned.  glad I kept my grandfathered plan and never “upgraded” to their (pay)EvenMore(get)EvenLess plan, and now they’re pushing this current (less)Value scam.   They should send back all those ATT employees currently on loan at tmobile’s marketing department. :)

    • http://twitter.com/Lawless_1 Lawless_1

      monie? really?

      • voicestream

        that’s not a typo.  if you’ve been with tmo long enough, you’ll know tmo likes to use “funny monie ” in its calculations.  head on over to their prepaid offerings and have an aspirin ready and see if you can make sense of it.

    • Anonymous

      Because you apparently can’t do third grade math.  The Value plans allow customers to get a discounted monthly rate plan INSTEAD of the discounted phone every other carrier in the US offers.   On sale days like this, (when you factor in you are getting a mail-in-rebate to cover the down payment) you are getting BOTH.  Discounted phone AND discounted plan.  It doesn’t matter that it’s marked up for that one day, you are still saving.  Take it or leave it.

      • Guest77

        Since you have a PhD in Math, why don’t you just explain with numbers
        instead of bashing comments! Take SGS2 as an example and explain how
        much it will cost to the customer!

        • Xermysct

          Sure. Today the phone in store is $530. Saturday and sunday its $600, then you can mail in for a $200 rebate.  So you can buy it today for $530 or this weekend for $400 after rebate.  You decide.

  • Jaygqitalia

    So they raise the retail price during the sale so it seems like your saving 100, by raising it 100? So raising retail prices during a sale makes no sense to me.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mark.schroeder1 Mark Schroeder

      No, cause you are getting a $200 MIR so you are “saving” $100 instead of $200.

      • Jaygqitalia

        When in reality I should be saving 200, if they didnt up the price 100 that day

        • Anonymous

          Or you could buy it any other day and save NOTHING.  But go ahead, keep complaining about saving a $100 because you can’t do math.

        • Anonymous

          Or go to Target between now and Saturday and get it for $129.00 plus tax and insurance,came to in NYC,$159.00! Without changing your plan,new customer,or if you due for upgrade. Someone posted, on this Sunday, Target will have SG2 on sale for $99.00! If so I will be getting $30.00 back. If true,
          $129.00 paid for the phone,no rebate card.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mark.schroeder1 Mark Schroeder

      No, cause you are getting a $200 MIR so you are “saving” $100 instead of $200.

  • Youngt82

    Come on T-Mo bring us the Galaxy Nexus and watch how many sell out quick :) Thats if you really wanna battle against the iPhone 4S

  • Chad Margetts

    The price of the phone is the true factor that determines the true value of the plan. I recently got a a Sensation at Walmart for $79 plus received a $100 gift card. Factor in the cost of my plan over two years and I came out ahead by about $40 on the Classic plan. I had a TMO store employee who told me I was thinking about it too much and promised I would save money on the Value plan. But in the end, my trusty spreadsheet did not lie.

  • Chad Margetts

    The price of the phone is the true factor that determines the true value of the plan. I recently got a a Sensation at Walmart for $79 plus received a $100 gift card. Factor in the cost of my plan over two years and I came out ahead by about $40 on the Classic plan. I had a TMO store employee who told me I was thinking about it too much and promised I would save money on the Value plan. But in the end, my trusty spreadsheet did not lie.

    • Aaron Tant

      still not following, particularly with no rate plan listed.  So, going by the unlimited talk, text, 2GB of web for the classic ($80) and value ($60), the end result is this: 2yrs of service with the walmart plan and phone minus gift card (so, you spend -$20 on the phone, net effect) is $1900.  Paying full price for the phone on the value plan (not including this weekend’s sale) and the value rate plan would be $1840.  I know it isn’t much, in this scenario, but, you have indeed spent less on the value plan.  Darn that spreadsheet.

    • Anonymous

      You are correct there but it’s rare.  It’s only true in this case because Wal-Mart is essentially paying you to get the phone.  

      A value plan for individual unlimited talk text and web (2GB) for 24 months comes to $60/mo * 24 months + full retail price of a typical high end phone ($500) = $1940 over the course of two years.

      A classic plan for the same thing is $80/mo * 24 months = $1920 over the course of two years and THEN you pay the discounted price of the phone on TOP of that.  For a Sensation that’s typically $200 so you’re looking at $2120 in a two year period.

      The sale would even be better than that Wal-Mart deal which a lot of people fail to realize.

  • Ihateforums

    So you have an opportunity to save $130 off the galaxy 2…and you find a way to b!tch about it.. Congrats you’re retarded. Sorry math is too confusing. Go cry to your mother because you’re stupid and it’s her fault.

    • Purenupe1

      what is up with so many of the gs2 fanboys. you guys talk about this phone like its the holy grail…..get bent. the promotion sucks ass. Tmobile is seriously pissing me off, they are using the simple mobile “bring your own phone” business model but are still forcing us into 2 year agreements

    • Realcool2000

      Hahaha good one bro! Tell these complainers what’s up.

  • Ihateforums

    So you have an opportunity to save $130 off the galaxy 2…and you find a way to b!tch about it.. Congrats you’re retarded. Sorry math is too confusing. Go cry to your mother because you’re stupid and it’s her fault.

  • Kelly

    I would appreciate more having a smaller rebate with the price not changing for this sale. Why raise it just to give a bigger rebate? I WILL be going to the sale this weekend to add my son to my account. HOWEVER I managed to find a phone that doesn’t raise in price only to give a bigger discount. The mytouch will be a phone good enough for my son and I’ll still see a rebate of $50 without seeing a raise in full price. He’s not old enough to need/use a “super phone” anyways.

    • Mattcat03

      If you were referring to mytouch 4g, that was the “super phone” a year and a half ago.

      • Kelly

        No, I’m talking about the mytouch, I guess. It just came out a couple of months ago, I think. It came out the same time as the mytouch Q. It doesn’t have the big button that the older mytouches have.

  • Kelly

    I would appreciate more having a smaller rebate with the price not changing for this sale. Why raise it just to give a bigger rebate? I WILL be going to the sale this weekend to add my son to my account. HOWEVER I managed to find a phone that doesn’t raise in price only to give a bigger discount. The mytouch will be a phone good enough for my son and I’ll still see a rebate of $50 without seeing a raise in full price. He’s not old enough to need/use a “super phone” anyways.

  • TMoUser

    Another gripe.  You have to get an Unlimited plan and you have to get 5 GB data — so if you didn’t want unlimited talk and you didn’t want 5 gb, you’re getting screwed twice to get a rebate.  I want the 1000 minute value family plan with 2G data, so actually I’m just better off paying the full value of the phone (but not this weekend when the retail price has been artificially raised).  That value plan, even with paying the full price of the phone, saves nearly $1,000 vs. the comparable classic plan, over a 24 month period.

    • Guest77

      Can’t you just purchase 1000 minutes Family Value Plan and pay $229 for the SGS2 after this stupid so called sale weekend?

    • Guest77

      Can’t you just purchase 1000 minutes Family Value Plan and pay $229 for the SGS2 after this stupid so called sale weekend?

      • TMoUser

        Yep that’s the plan, but of course I’d like a rebate too!

    • Xermys

      You are required to have 2 gb of data. NOT 5 gb

  • TMoUser

    Another gripe.  You have to get an Unlimited plan and you have to get 5 GB data — so if you didn’t want unlimited talk and you didn’t want 5 gb, you’re getting screwed twice to get a rebate.  I want the 1000 minute value family plan with 2G data, so actually I’m just better off paying the full value of the phone (but not this weekend when the retail price has been artificially raised).  That value plan, even with paying the full price of the phone, saves nearly $1,000 vs. the comparable classic plan, over a 24 month period.

  • Grumpy Customer

    Value Plan = Pay way to much for a crappy phone, just to see the discount a year down the road… NOT WORTH IT! We need plans geared for your loyal followers, not just new “Nickel and DIme” scam.

    • Maac123

      You see a discount in store and on your monthly bill. How is that a year down the road?????

    • Anonymous

      So the Classic plan is for you, to pay way to much for your crappy phone for 2yrs instead of 1yr?  Got it!

  • bob

    Any word on the official reason as to why they raise MSRP during these sales? Insider?

    • Anonymous

      1. They get more of your money for a little while.

      2. I bet it’s easier logistically to charge more at the register and have only one rebate program to deal with, with a single dollar amount.

  • bob

    Any word on the official reason as to why they raise MSRP during these sales? Insider?

  • Anonymous

    This seems normal for a business to do. You raise the price, slash some of it off, and say SALE! Even if its more, people will still come running.

  • hatersontherocks

    Can I switch to the value plan and get the special deal too?

    • hatersontherocks

      I’m on that individual plan with 500 minutes,unlimited text,5gb data

  • Hrose1965

    more and more like a prepaid company.  dont see how this helps when you can go to best buy and get the same phone cheaper. the end is near for tmobile no parent company backing them soon they well be just a big prepaid company they dont care about customer retention

    • Gabe41521

      You can get everything cheaper at best buy including phones from all charities carriers

    • Guest

      Tmobile is a dutch owned company. The Tmobile in the Europe Union is HUGE. Get your facts right.

      • http://tmonews.com David

        T-Mobile is a German owned company, might want to get YOUR facts right. Headquarters are in Bonn, Germany. They key word being “Deutsche.” In fact, the German government owns a portion of the company.

        • Anonymous

          Question for you David, with the recent Verizon LTE network market launches that were announced, is T-Mobile still America’s Largest 4G network?  If you look at the past few tv ads, they have started to leave that claim out.  They talk about ’4G’ but the America’s Largest 4G network part of it has been absent.

        • http://tmonews.com David

          If you quantify it as 4G with T-Mobile’s 21 HSPA+ network, I believe they are still making that claim, if you base in on their 42 HSPA+ network, then no, I don’t believe they do anymore.

          Try this article: http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/when-it-comes-4g-t-mobile-has-advantage/2011-12-02

          They break it down pretty well, T-Mobile’s lead is being cut though and if they don’t make more announcement soon, they could lose the top spot.

        • Lmfao

          OMG, he thought the parent company was “Dutch Telekom”.  FAIL FAIL FAIL.  Dude, go hang out w/ Sarah Palin in the country of Africa!!

      • Nearmsp

        The company is German owned. The stock is listed on the US stock exchange as an ADR. The symbol is DTEGY. Performance? Gave negative returns for last 5 years. (5 yrs – -36%; 3 years -22%, and 1 year return again negative 10%). The yield on the stock though is high just like the Verizon or AT&T stock.

  • http://www.twitter.com/mrjlwilliams Galaxy Note Guy

    If T-Mobile were to become prepaid only, so what.  What’s so bad about that?  They would be the one of the best at it to me…better than the rest.

  • Anthony in Utah

    Why would anyone want to switch to a company that doesn’t even have a stable future? AT&T is trying to buy it, but they are having so many issues. I really hope T-Mobile can disappear because they don’t even stand with their current customers. They could care less if someone leaves to another provider. They should worry about retention. Other companies should not. Yeah these ” SUPER SALES “” are BS and are appearing as a sale, when in reality its like Rent a Center, you end up paying WAY more than you need to or should. Save your money folks and look into another provider. T-Mobile is going down baby down!

    • Maac123

      Go ahead and spend more money over two years dumbass. Your one the people who dont understand that when you get phones at a discount that your paying for your phone in the rate plan.your blind

      • Maac123

        Your argument is retarded. Go get an iphone and spend over 110 dollars a month for it…

      • riderdiechic

        Are you trying to say *You’re* = You Are ……Your does not = you are

        • Maac123

          Get over it douche bag lol

      • Purenupe1

        i would switch to a value if i wasnt placed in a 2 year contract, why the hec do i have to be hog tied for changing my plan. EIP is only a good deal when no contract extension is involved

    • Tuliom Mesa

      enjoy your so called ATT 4G that is slower then its 3G network. Just enjoy :D

    • SmokinSteeler

      You have no clue what your talking about! Are you blind & can’t see the truth? Thats the only way your comments make since is if your blind!

      • Maac123

        Whats the truth? Explain…. You have no argument.

    • DuTcH PaPi

      “Save your money folks and look into another provider…” 

      Sure, go ahead.  Go to any other provider and you’ll be paying AT LEAST 30% MORE than T-Mobile. 

      How does that make sense?

      • Dfireballwow

        I will just say this THANK GOD this deal has not gone through and I HOPE it will not. If you think it would be good for use to become part of ATT? You are crazy

  • guest

    All you people do is bitch and whine dont buy it if you dont want it

  • Guest

    Does this work on the business plans too?

  • Androidphoneteacher

    I work at T-Mo and constantly sell the value plan… It’s cheaper as a down payment (vs having the upgrade fee and deal with a rebate), it’s cheaper every month (even with the 20 more phone payments), and it’s cheaper in the long-run (when the 20 more payments are over). When I do side-by-side comparisons to the classic plans, it’s a 100% no-brainer that the value plans are best. Gone are the days of waiting close to two years for an upgrade, if you want the next best phone, just throw down the down payment and the rest goes on your bill at 0% APR. If you always stick with the highest end model, you can resell it and pay off the balance of your last phone. People can get the latest and greatest every 6 months if that’s how they play it. Those who don’t like the notion of the value plan haven’t done any research or math to figure it out.

    • Nearmsp

      This works if one does not get a new phone prior to 2 years and the difference is better if this compared with a classic customers who typically is still using the phone a couple of months after completion of 2 years.

      • Realcool2000

        U missed the part where he said you can sell ur phone to make back that money see….

    • Guest

      Value plans make no sense for me. I am on a family plan, so I end up paying more the phones than what I save on the plan. For me, no matter how I cut it, value plans are just more expensive than the classic plan.

      • Androidphoneteacher

        Family Plans ARE where the savings are at… Like I say, All the replies are from people obviously not doing the math. I created my own plan comparison sheet where all day long I am comparing 5 line fully-loaded classic plans to their equivalent value plans and it is always cheaper on the value plan even with paying off 5 different phones…

    • febryan aldi

      I dont agree with your comments saying that you would be able to resell the phone and pay off the balance of your last phone. Even if you do that, you would still stuck with the 2yr contract.
      Value plan doesnt make sense at all. You have to sign a 2 year contract without getting discounted for the phone. 
      I do notice that the monthly bill would be cheaper than the original classic plan, but you could get a discounted phone with classic plan. 

      In conclusions, depending on the phones that youre getting, value and classic plans are pretty much the same thing. 

      • ThatMan33

        If you do the math it is not the same thing. You might not start seeing the savings until the last 2-4 months of your 2 years but it is a saving nonetheless

        • Anonymous

          you are wrong. you save right away beacuse the phone payment doesnt even go on your bill for 2 months.

        • Me

          Sure it depends on the phone you buy but this example is representative of any deal combo:  Galaxy S 2 with unlimited talk, text, 5 GB web on Classic is $90 x 24 month contract =$2160 + $230 discounted phone= $2390. same plan on Value: $75 x 24 month contract = $1800 + $400 for phone (or really $470 adding in the extra $70 from this post) = $2270. So still ultimately saving $120.  If you change your phone every year or more then you are not representative of most t-mo customers and this deal clearly isn’t for you.  

    • Cheesehead

      It might be cheaper for NEW customers, but when TMO wont let classic plans move over without a fee, they tick off the current base. There are a ton of grandfathered long timers that would look at this if TMO didn’t give us the finger because we still have 10 months left. Granted I would not save anything on my 6 year old family plan, but others could.

      • Androidphoneteacher

        Migration fees are to stop people from getting their upgrade (discounted price) and then turning around and wanting the discounted value plan as well (where phones are generally full price) They create tiered migration fees and you only have to be within 6 months of your contracts end to switch to value with zero fee, whereas to get your upgrade you have to be 2 months from the 24 month mark. Anyone on a gradfathered plan who doesn’t qualify for value obviously did something to renew their contract recently, i.e. getting an upgrade.

        • David TMONEWS

          T Mobile lacks coverage. They are not going to invest into LTE. and that is the future direction so they need to. HSPA with the AMAZE of Galaxy 2 blows both phones out of the water. much more dependable. but all have sinned against God.
          you should have a guilty conscience selling T Mobile to people.
          repent to God before you end up burning in hell for your sins.

        • http://tmonews.com David

          Creative username.

  • randyohsofly

    42 hspa+ on my phone is damn quick.love my amaze! People always complain about something smdh

  • Vim

    The whole idea of having both a Normal Full Retail Price  and a higher 4G Super Sale Full Retail Price is not only totally bogus but needlessly complex.

    • Guest

      see my comment a few above yours… it IS a good sale

  • Kindell Anderson

    The only reason i stayed with T-Mobile was for the value plan price. So much better than what i was slated to pay on Classic and versus moving to ATT.  But charging full price for phones is crazy there should be some discount on each plan.  That whole we finance the phone over 20 months at 0% APR is BS as well. 

  • Anonymous

    Actually the LG mytouch went down in price for this sale. The normal price is $279.99

  • Guest

    The other thing i’m seeing from comments are complaints about the 2yr contract when you’re paying full price for the phone (eventually). What people don’t understand is that T-Mobile is extending hundreds of thousands of people a 0% interest credit line of up to $400 dollars per line on your plan… A contract is required because you ARE getting a deal. Otherwise just pay the $500+ up front and no contract is required.

    As for the sale tomorrow, they may have upped the full invoice price on super phones like say the SGS II, but you are still getting a $130 savings off what otherwise is supposed to cost you $530 in the end. This sale is better than Black Friday, better than Magenta Saturday, and better than the Sep 24th sale was…

    • Kevweb32125

      Still, the average phone company give you a discount and rebates when you sign a 2yr contract. For me, as long they keep charging full price for their phones, I will never sign on to a new contract.

  • David from TMONEWS

    so stupid. Why Change the price. why not just give $130 rebate and keep the phone the same price instead of raising the msrp on the phone even higher..
    Read the fine print. THE Sensation msrp is $499. When the sale/rebates began tomorrow, the MSRP on the HTC Sensation is going up to $599 ($100). So the rebate isn’t $200 it is $100-$130. Because after the sale is over on Monday, the MSRP on the phones will go back to what they are set at. Why jack the MSRP up T Mobile. This makes the rebates not as good as they were.
    yet a rebate is better than no rebate.
    T Mobile jacks the price up so they can give you a higher rebate..and say a higher amount you get back in return. T Mobile strategy is based on how they sound when they are being pitched to you. T Mobile you have once again outdone yourself and made cell phone shopping horribly confusing and miserable. T Mobile is
    Shady. cant wait for this company burns to the ground (not DT) but TMobileUSA.

  • riderdiechic

    I just left tmobile store trying to upgrade to the samsung galaxy s
    II.  I’m currently on the $49.99 per month value plan which includes the
    2GB of data at fast speed and if you go over the 2GB then your speed is
    slowed down to 2G speed.  Well needless to say I left without upgrading
    because for the Samsung Galaxy I would have to upgrade to the 5GB data
    plan which is $15 per month more if I want to get the rebate.  However,
    after you receive the rebate back in mail you can then call or stop by
    tmobile and down grade back to the 2GB data plan.  But at the time of
    processing the rebate form, you have to have the 5GB data plan.  First
    of all, the reason I left without upgrading is they already raised the
    price of the phone from $529 t $599 for the sale only.  Then you factor
    in 2 -3 months of data that I don’t need which is an extra $15 per
    month, that’s pretty much the rebate money.  Therefore, it’s not a good
    deal for me because of the phone that I want.  I’ll wait this one out
    and upgrade at a later time.  I never use the 2GB of data that I
    currently have.  The most data that I use per month is around 300 MB

  • Yougo

    Lets do some math:

    Classic Plan: UNL Talk Text Web (2GB) [$80] w/ discounted Galaxy S 2 [$230] = $2150 over 2 years
    Value Plan: Unl talk text web (2GB) [$60] w/ full retail Galaxy S 2 [$530] = $1970 over 2 years.

    You save $180 over the 2 years. Might not be enough for most people to justify the 2 year contract and full retail price of the phone, but $180 is $180.

    People just want to hear free phone and don’t mind paying an extremly high bill for it.

    I work for T-Mobile, and I’m pretty sure if T-Mobile offered a plan that got you a free phone every 2 years and your rate plan for UNL Talk Text Web was $99.99/month, people wouldn’t think twice about it even though you would be paying $2400 over the 2 years, which is $430 more than if you got the Value Plan.

    People just want to here Free next to sale. That’s how they determine if its a sale or not.

  • Handlegrip

    I didnt believe in the value plans untill a couple days of thinking then I finally did the math and now I understand how it will save money. I actually hated the idea. I lost sleep over it beause I couldnt figure our exactly what the deal was and I was thinking I was getting ripped off. whI dont like the fact about being put into a 2 year contract for a rate plan but its their business and they can run it like they want to. Its our choice to stay or go.
    here is my break down. I pay for a phone for my wife and I so I have to do a family value plan for 2 years. which is probably a better deal then just buying a single phone since its like $30 for for 2 then 1

    I am doing these number off of the sell that they just had that they rasied the price to $599 to give you a $200 rebate to make the phone $399. I ordered at this price so I can tell you exact numbers.

    value plan
    2 htc amazes
    $599 x 2 = 1199 - $400 rebate is $799 after tax it will be $903 
    unlimited talk text and web 2gig cap
    $100 a month.
    after 2 years

    $2400 rate plan
    $903   phones
    total would be
    $3303
    ——————————————————————————————-
    Classic plan
    2 htc amazes
    $229 x 2= $458 + tax would be $545
    unlimited talk, text, and web 2 gig cap
    $140 a month
    after 2 years

    $3360 Rate plan
    $545   Phones
    total would be
    $3905

    ———————————————————————————————————-
    So lets say one night you sign on to tmobile and see that they have the amaze for free. Then you get all excited since you see FREE. Then you decide on buying 2 phones for FREE. Here is that break down. Remember You can only get a free phone on the classic plan.
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    still with the mindset of getting 2 phones.

    unlimited talk, text, and web 2 gig cap
    $140 a month
    after 2 years

    $3360 rate plan

    You just paid $960 more on classic  then you would have on the value plan. So those FREE phones just cost you $30 more then the full price of the phones.

    Suprised??? I was. I looked on tmobiles site alot looking for a free phone special. Thank God I didnt get one for FREE.

    So that being said. You will save paying full price for the phone on the Value plan. No matter if your paying full price, Getting a discount,. Or gettin the phone for FREE you still pay for it. So by the looks of the numbers depending on how bad you want the phone pay full price without it being on sell and save aprox $300 for wait for a sell and double your savings.
    one last time all plan  numbers together

                             Value    $3303
                            Classic  $3905
    classic with free phone $3360

    you save $603 by going to the value plan instead of using the  Classic plan.

    I hope this helps.