What Will Happen Now That T-Mobile Doesn’t Have The iPhone?

It’s October 4th and we all know what that means, iPhone Day!  Well, I’m sure you have heard already but T-Mobile will NOT be receiving an iPhone this year.  Big win for the Android faithful, but what does this mean for the carrier on a whole?

 It’s a quick opinion, but let’s see what we can figure out here.  Apple is one of the only major stakeholders that have not voiced their opinion on the merger, but they have definitely showed their cards with this move.  Not allowing an iPhone on the 4th major carrier effectively shows that they don’t think it is worth it.  It is not worth the small cost to them, even if they will be receiving increased revenue.

More so, they are even showing that they don’t have faith in T-Mobile, and especially with their future.  They believe that AT&T is going to swallow them whole, and maybe it will be better for them that way.  The new iPhone is even a world phone, compatible with AT&T, Verizon and SPRINT, and they still don’t want to include T-Mobile in the fun.  Maybe they are waiting for T-Mobile to be swallowed whole, allowing them to make the real iPhone 5 4G capable on the three main players.  They would need to make a different device for each carrier, but that’s not entirely surprising and is surely within the next evolution of the phone we love to hate, or hate to love depending on your standpoint (for you, probably the former).

The worst part is that this isn’t even the upgrade that everyone was banking on.  It is the same old iPhone, just faster.  Sure, there are other good things with the upgrade, but nothing like the upgrades you see with Android phones.  This evolution of the iPhone took over a year to upgrade, and they only accomplished what Android phone manufacturers have done in 6 months.  The simple fact is, and back to the main point, that people will still flock to buy this phone, because of it being “magical.”  It’s great branding, and something that Android phones miss the mark on, but being the only major carrier without ‘magic’ kind of pushes you aside.

Let’s turn this around though.  Maybe this wasn’t Apple.  Apple could have gone to T-Mobile and been like, “we want the iPhone on all major carriers so we can dominate the market.”  Chances are, that didn’t happen (they will still dominate the market, just without T-Mobile).  So, T-Mobile didn’t put the effort in.  They didn’t express the interest (read: money) to get the iPhone on their network.  This is a huge misstep.

Yes, Android is great, and I love that T-Mobile is standing behind the OS that they helped expand, but simply ‘talking’ to clients against the iPhone won’t cut it.  People will leave, and less people will be adopting Android, as well as WP7 and Blackberry for that matter.  It’s a shame, but the sheer demand for iPhones is going to explode this holiday season, and there isn’t much standing in their way.

Simply putting the iPhone on T-Mobile may not be able to save them, there is no way of knowing, but not getting it is the worst mistake that T-Mobile could make.  They know the demand, they know how many people love it and use Edge just to have it on T-Mobile, and they know that people will leave for it.  They are allowing this to happen, bowing down, throwing in the towel, giving up.  The fact that T-Mobile is now the only major carrier without an iPhone is the biggest argument FOR the merger, and it is a significant one.  It will be very difficult for T-Mobile to compete now, and maybe that is exactly how they want it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • Well, let me start off by saying ‘first’.

  • Anonymous

    T-Mobile killed T-Mobile

  • Anonymous

    T-Mobile killed T-Mobile

    • Anonymous

      No DT killed T-Mobile.

      • Littlesis1774

        T-mobile USA killed T-mobile USA not DT. DT’s t-mobile in europe always had iphone

        • Lfgonzal

          DT killed Tmobile USA by not supporting Tmobile  USA , they could have gone big with this iphone and andriod both at the front with HSPA+, and what happen to their plan they showed a year a go to support HSPA+ then LTE and a expanded network? in the US?, DT failed to support Tmobile USA…. they are still profitable…. they just need to get a better marketing team and work from there…..

        • Lfgonzal

          DT killed Tmobile USA by not supporting Tmobile  USA , they could have gone big with this iphone and andriod both at the front with HSPA+, and what happen to their plan they showed a year a go to support HSPA+ then LTE and a expanded network? in the US?, DT failed to support Tmobile USA…. they are still profitable…. they just need to get a better marketing team and work from there…..

        • guest

          No. “loyal” customers killed t-mobile. For years t-mobile was number one in customer service. It bent over backwards to keep customers happy and put them first and the company second. It gave away plans that were too cheap and gave away free phones to too many “loyal” customers who began to expect to never have to pay for anything and were never really loyal on the first place. It gave credits too liberally on things like overage, which is the customer’s own fault 90% of the time. It allowed customers to Bill phone purchases to their accounts, which many abused. It was the first company to come out with an equipment installment plan, which was also abused. Customer service reps were trained to audit accounts to make sure the customer was saving the most money possible. It did all of this to create some actual loyalty in it’s customers. It thought if it presented the best options over the other carriers, which it does, and treated it’s customers like family then customers would stay. What the other companies know that t-mobile didn’t, is that this doesn’t work. You have to put the company first in order to survive because customers are just sheep that will jump ship chasing after any shiny advertising.

        • Anonymous

          The reason T-Mobile has offered such sweet deals to customers is to keep them around. Without all those loyalty offers, many T-Mo customers would have been gone a long time ago. T-Mo was it a tough spot. Damned it you do, damned if you don’t.

        • guest

          Yeah, if they aren’t offered sweet deals they just cancel and either pay more or get less, or both. It’s so stupid it’s actually funny.

        • Anonymous

          Some people are willing to pay an extra $20/month for better coverage or a better phone. I was going to switch a few years ago when I lived in an area with spotty T-Mobile coverage, but T-Mobile offered me an extra $20 off on our bill. I was willing to pay $20/month for better coverage, but I was also willing to save $40 a month for less coverage.

          It’s not always about the money. Somebody who is willing to pay a little more for better coverage isn’t automatically “stupid.” Sometimes those folks who are ready to pay more can be persuaded to stick around for the right price.

        • Anonymous

          Still there are people who leave T-Mobile who have high end Android phones in a HSPA+ 42mbps market to go to at&t who have hspa 14.4, pay more, and get into a network thats over capacity.  Explain the rationality of THAT.

        • guest

          No. “loyal” customers killed t-mobile. For years t-mobile was number one in customer service. It bent over backwards to keep customers happy and put them first and the company second. It gave away plans that were too cheap and gave away free phones to too many “loyal” customers who began to expect to never have to pay for anything and were never really loyal on the first place. It gave credits too liberally on things like overage, which is the customer’s own fault 90% of the time. It allowed customers to Bill phone purchases to their accounts, which many abused. It was the first company to come out with an equipment installment plan, which was also abused. Customer service reps were trained to audit accounts to make sure the customer was saving the most money possible. It did all of this to create some actual loyalty in it’s customers. It thought if it presented the best options over the other carriers, which it does, and treated it’s customers like family then customers would stay. What the other companies know that t-mobile didn’t, is that this doesn’t work. You have to put the company first in order to survive because customers are just sheep that will jump ship chasing after any shiny advertising.

      • Littlesis1774

        T-mobile USA killed T-mobile USA not DT. DT’s t-mobile in europe always had iphone

  • Jaygqitalia

    Not at all. Its the same phone with more specs. The galaxy S2, and the other android phones coming out for tmobile are better. I mean they were talking about the 1 second phone camera as if it was SO good when the mytouch takes better photos. Fail for apple. Good news for android

  • Jaygqitalia

    Not at all. Its the same phone with more specs. The galaxy S2, and the other android phones coming out for tmobile are better. I mean they were talking about the 1 second phone camera as if it was SO good when the mytouch takes better photos. Fail for apple. Good news for android

    • Anonymous

      I think the success of the iPhone has shown that people generally don’t give a rats ass about specs. Content is king, and Apple consistently provides a better user experience and better content.

      • Anonymous

        Exactly! People don’t give a rats ass about specs because most people can’t think for themselves, they let society make their decisions. Society say’s “you are cool if you have an iPhone” so they get the iPhone for the being “cool”. The people should start making their own decisions because without your own decisions you are just, well… nothing.

        • Anonymous

          The reason the iPhone is “cool” is because Apple has created a very good product and advertises all the “cool” things you can do with it, even marketing the iPad as a learning device.

        • Anonymous

          What can you do on the iPhone that is so “cool” that another OS can’t do? Let me know “Cool” guy…

        • Anonymous

          Well, since I rock the hopelessly uncool WP7, I’m not sure I’m the right person to ask. Judging from the commercials, though, Apple would have you believe you can do “cool” things like learn to play the piano, learn Chinese, become a doctor if you just buy their products. And when you’re not busy learning something, you can Facetime with your spouse and kids.

          Again, I’m not the right person to ask since the only thing I’ve ever purchased from Apple is an iPod six years ago, hence the ” “.

        • Vic

          I think it’s pretty cool be able to actively use my device because iPhones don’t force close every minute

        • Anonymous

          The reason the iPhone is “cool” is because Apple has created a very good product and advertises all the “cool” things you can do with it, even marketing the iPad as a learning device.

        • JKB

          Exactly, let them make their decisions.  So if people want an iPhone on T-Mobile, why not let them make that decision?

        • JKB

          Exactly, let them make their decisions.  So if people want an iPhone on T-Mobile, why not let them make that decision?

    • AK

      Which myTouch are you talking about? Certainly not myTouch 4g or the predecessors, maybe the 4g slide. And it’s not just the 1 second camera thing, they have other great features that are coming out with iOS 5 as well: Newstand, Wifi Sync, Notification Center.

      I agree some of the phones are better than iPhones, even the new 4S, but you can’t forget about the quality Apple products provide. To think you’re comparing Samsung and Apple is plain sad. Samsung might have good products but they sure don’t take care of them. I remember when I got my Vibrant, it took them a YEAR to update it to 2.2 FROYO not GINGERBREAD.

      • Zifnab2k

        Lol all 4 of those “new iOS features” already exist in 1 form another android. This announcement proved that there’s no more “Revolutionary ideas” coming from the Apple camp, at least not right now. Things like notification center are a clear rip from Android, who now pushes the future of the market much more so than Apple.

        As for your statements about Samsung, half the iphone is made by Samsung, so its a great comparisson. The thing to note is that Samsung doesnt make its OS. Its like buying a dell and saying they dont suppor their OS like Apple does… Of course they dont, they don’t make the OS. The only thing Samsung has done wrong is put their ugly skin on Android making it take twice as long to update.

        Im betting the Galaxy matches iPhone 4s sales this year… a lot of disappointment surrounding the 4s announcement.

      • Zifnab2k

        Lol all 4 of those “new iOS features” already exist in 1 form another android. This announcement proved that there’s no more “Revolutionary ideas” coming from the Apple camp, at least not right now. Things like notification center are a clear rip from Android, who now pushes the future of the market much more so than Apple.

        As for your statements about Samsung, half the iphone is made by Samsung, so its a great comparisson. The thing to note is that Samsung doesnt make its OS. Its like buying a dell and saying they dont suppor their OS like Apple does… Of course they dont, they don’t make the OS. The only thing Samsung has done wrong is put their ugly skin on Android making it take twice as long to update.

        Im betting the Galaxy matches iPhone 4s sales this year… a lot of disappointment surrounding the 4s announcement.

      • Zifnab2k

        Lol all 4 of those “new iOS features” already exist in 1 form another android. This announcement proved that there’s no more “Revolutionary ideas” coming from the Apple camp, at least not right now. Things like notification center are a clear rip from Android, who now pushes the future of the market much more so than Apple.

        As for your statements about Samsung, half the iphone is made by Samsung, so its a great comparisson. The thing to note is that Samsung doesnt make its OS. Its like buying a dell and saying they dont suppor their OS like Apple does… Of course they dont, they don’t make the OS. The only thing Samsung has done wrong is put their ugly skin on Android making it take twice as long to update.

        Im betting the Galaxy matches iPhone 4s sales this year… a lot of disappointment surrounding the 4s announcement.

      • Zifnab2k

        Lol all 4 of those “new iOS features” already exist in 1 form another android. This announcement proved that there’s no more “Revolutionary ideas” coming from the Apple camp, at least not right now. Things like notification center are a clear rip from Android, who now pushes the future of the market much more so than Apple.

        As for your statements about Samsung, half the iphone is made by Samsung, so its a great comparisson. The thing to note is that Samsung doesnt make its OS. Its like buying a dell and saying they dont suppor their OS like Apple does… Of course they dont, they don’t make the OS. The only thing Samsung has done wrong is put their ugly skin on Android making it take twice as long to update.

        Im betting the Galaxy matches iPhone 4s sales this year… a lot of disappointment surrounding the 4s announcement.

      • Zifnab2k

        Lol all 4 of those “new iOS features” already exist in 1 form another android. This announcement proved that there’s no more “Revolutionary ideas” coming from the Apple camp, at least not right now. Things like notification center are a clear rip from Android, who now pushes the future of the market much more so than Apple.

        As for your statements about Samsung, half the iphone is made by Samsung, so its a great comparisson. The thing to note is that Samsung doesnt make its OS. Its like buying a dell and saying they dont suppor their OS like Apple does… Of course they dont, they don’t make the OS. The only thing Samsung has done wrong is put their ugly skin on Android making it take twice as long to update.

        Im betting the Galaxy matches iPhone 4s sales this year… a lot of disappointment surrounding the 4s announcement.

      • Zifnab2k

        Lol all 4 of those “new iOS features” already exist in 1 form another android. This announcement proved that there’s no more “Revolutionary ideas” coming from the Apple camp, at least not right now. Things like notification center are a clear rip from Android, who now pushes the future of the market much more so than Apple.

        As for your statements about Samsung, half the iphone is made by Samsung, so its a great comparisson. The thing to note is that Samsung doesnt make its OS. Its like buying a dell and saying they dont suppor their OS like Apple does… Of course they dont, they don’t make the OS. The only thing Samsung has done wrong is put their ugly skin on Android making it take twice as long to update.

        Im betting the Galaxy matches iPhone 4s sales this year… a lot of disappointment surrounding the 4s announcement.

      • Zifnab2k

        Lol all 4 of those “new iOS features” already exist in 1 form another android. This announcement proved that there’s no more “Revolutionary ideas” coming from the Apple camp, at least not right now. Things like notification center are a clear rip from Android, who now pushes the future of the market much more so than Apple.

        As for your statements about Samsung, half the iphone is made by Samsung, so its a great comparisson. The thing to note is that Samsung doesnt make its OS. Its like buying a dell and saying they dont suppor their OS like Apple does… Of course they dont, they don’t make the OS. The only thing Samsung has done wrong is put their ugly skin on Android making it take twice as long to update.

        Im betting the Galaxy matches iPhone 4s sales this year… a lot of disappointment surrounding the 4s announcement.

  • Anonymous

    The new iphone isn’t much to be worried about now that I saw todays announcement. I was considering it before, but what they showed to day was pretty damn disappointing. Makes the GS2 purchase that much easier.

  • Rfgenerator

    Yes the lack of having the IPhone does show that Apple is spending lots of mattress time with ATT.  This isn’t really a surprise.  I don’t think it kills T-Mobile.  If the merger is rejected, then Apple may very well reconsider.  The uncertainty of T-Mobile’s future is definitely also a factor in the Apple’s decision.  In the meantime instead of T-Mobile’s “talking” campaign, maybe they should adopt a new slogan… I don’t know maybe they could use something like “Think Different” ;-)

    • Anonymous

      They could adopt the Challenger strategy? Oh wait, they already announced that strategy, just a few weeks before giving up by selling to AT&T.

    • Anonymous

      They could adopt the Challenger strategy? Oh wait, they already announced that strategy, just a few weeks before giving up by selling to AT&T.

  • David Bui

    So pathetic. :( 

  • I will be leaving T-Mobile. Ive had it with the Pink T. I had been on a FlexPlay account because I didnt want to sign a contract with them, but then they FORCED me to sign a contract. Then, the Galaxy S II releases with a Snapdragon over an Exynos. Why would 42+ MBPS really matter when youre capped at 2-5GB? This iPhone debacle is the final straw. So youre meaning to tell me, Apple KNOWS how many iPhones are, even to this DAY, being used on the TMobile network, and they still opted not to release the phone on the network? That alone speaks VOLUMES. 

    • Anonymous

      I understand and agree with what you’re saying there, but T-Mobile is still offering 5GB at the same $30.
      Believe it or not even when all carriers had “Unlimited” data plans they were all capped at 5GB, only thing T-Mobile has changed is they’re now throttling data which in the long run is better than getting charged $10 automatically for ever extra GB you use. 

      Also remember that 2 GB option is just a cheaper option, and you also have the higher option of 10 GB, which is more than enough data to keep a heavy user happy on an HSPA+ 42 network.

      Sure 10 GB is an extra $50 on top of your Voice & Text, but to demand bigger & better service you better be prepared to pay the Premiums.

      With that said it is quite sad they’re not receiving the iPhone, that would have allowed consumers to choose T-Mobile as their carrier choice.

      • Anonymous

        I want to leave T-Mo too, but 10GB for $20 is hard to beat.

      • guest

        Throttling at 5gb isn’t new at all. I was a rep for many years. Trust me, I had the conversations. But it was only a very small percentage of users who were getting to that point and most of them were tethering, which at that point was prohibited in the contracts of all major carriers. Now customers have the option of moving to 10gb and adding tethering and you bet they are going to pay for it. It’s expensive to provide.

    • ItsMichaelNotMike

      Hey, what happened to your “f*ir..st” comment?

      Posting such a mor-on..ic comment speaks volumes on the real reason you were on FlexPay.

    • fsured

      No one forced you to sign anything.  You could have said no and taken your business elsewhere.   Other than that I agree with everything.  Speed of network is great if the people can actually get those advances during the day and not 3am.

    • Anonymous

      They have data plans with high speed internet up to 10GB a month too.  You don’t have to get the 2GB plan or the 5GB plan.  For all you know, the Snapdragon runs smoother than the Exynos versions.  I’m betting there’ll be no noticeable difference.  If anything, the T-Mobile Snapdragon processor is faster than the Exynos but the gpu is better on the exynos, that’s all not even by much.  Small trade off for blistering fast data speeds.

    • Anonymous

      They have data plans with high speed internet up to 10GB a month too.  You don’t have to get the 2GB plan or the 5GB plan.  For all you know, the Snapdragon runs smoother than the Exynos versions.  I’m betting there’ll be no noticeable difference.  If anything, the T-Mobile Snapdragon processor is faster than the Exynos but the gpu is better on the exynos, that’s all not even by much.  Small trade off for blistering fast data speeds.

  • And the real killer? We had hope it would work on Cincinnati Bell….. which means we could have bought it unlocked and used that ho anyway :/

    Fuck Edge, I wont switch to the iPhone solely based upon (edge)data speeds. Well, Samsung Galaxy S 2, here I come!!!!

  • Anonymous

    I still find it hard to believe that a CDMA iPhone was made before, if at all, a GSM iPhone that’s T-Mobile-compatible.

  • Good bye T-mobile

    Goodbye T-Mobile, it was nice 3 years with you. I just cannot do the math, why would you not let me sign in 2 year contract for discounted price device from even more plus plan. I am good at maths, still can’t figure it out. 4GS, here I come. 

    • Flashy4bb

      even more plus = no discount. the discount is already in the service rate. i had it before. now it is called the value plan. here you do not get a dicount on the device either. if you want a discounted price on the device, then get you a classic plan. simple as that.

    • guest

      You’re an idiot. Even more plus is a different option. It allows you a lower rate per month, definitely lower than other carriers instead of upgrade discounts. Once you make that choice you can’t go back. That is specifically explained when you do it. Maybe you should have listened. If a phone discount was what you wanted, you should have state stayed with a contract.

  • Willingi001

    who needs a iphone we going get the sgs2 the iphone dont even have 4g and it still has a small screen 

    • Vic

      If you’re playing the HSPA+ = “4G” game, then yes, the iPhone 4S does have “4G.” The AT&T iPhone 4S supports HSPA+ a.k.a. “4G.”

  • Anonymous

    After 10+ years it is finally time to leave T-mobile…

    • Flashy4bb

      trust me you will be fine.

    • Flashy4bb

      trust me you will be fine.

    • Albarrios

      i hear u. i started w/ voicestream and the visor phone

    • Albarrios

      i hear u. i started w/ voicestream and the visor phone

    • Albarrios

      i hear u. i started w/ voicestream and the visor phone

    • Albarrios

      i hear u. i started w/ voicestream and the visor phone

  • Anonymous

    After 10+ years it is finally time to leave T-mobile…

  • Thomas Spicer

    Maybe if Apple announced a new phone, but a refresh after 18 months? Is Apple going to come out with an iPhone 5 anytime soon? I for one look forward to the new devices coming out from others.

  • Thomas Spicer

    Maybe if Apple announced a new phone, but a refresh after 18 months? Is Apple going to come out with an iPhone 5 anytime soon? I for one look forward to the new devices coming out from others.

  • Thomas Spicer

    Maybe if Apple announced a new phone, but a refresh after 18 months? Is Apple going to come out with an iPhone 5 anytime soon? I for one look forward to the new devices coming out from others.

  • Calijoe73

    Apparently iphones f–k up the bandwidth anyway. Thank google for Android.  

  • I agree with every single word in this article

  • Aemaffei

    Well I was just at tipb.com and I only saw 2 happy comments. Everyone else thought Apple failed as do I. The Nexus Prime will blow it out of the water and the Samsung GS2 does already. Anyone with half a brain will see that. Loyal Apple fans are pissed and I don’t blame them. At least it will be easier to convince people that Android is a better choice. 90% of the people who commented said they will stick with the IP4 or switch to Android. Only a low percentage are looking to upgrade to the IP4s

  • Anonymous

    What are you talking about ? This is the best news for T-Mobile. All this hype for and updated iphone 4 ? Or is it outdated. Probably both. Maybe T-Mobile didn’t think it was worth all the money. T-mobile is still alot cheaper than the other major carriers. did the math for a customer the other day. Saved them $100 per month for a 2 line family plan over Verizon and at&t. That’s real money !!!  The iphone is great but not worth all the hype and cost to run. T-Mobile has a bunch of phone that have better specs. Hang in there guys the sky is not falling yet !!!  

  • Anonymous

    What are you talking about ? This is the best news for T-Mobile. All this hype for and updated iphone 4 ? Or is it outdated. Probably both. Maybe T-Mobile didn’t think it was worth all the money. T-mobile is still alot cheaper than the other major carriers. did the math for a customer the other day. Saved them $100 per month for a 2 line family plan over Verizon and at&t. That’s real money !!!  The iphone is great but not worth all the hype and cost to run. T-Mobile has a bunch of phone that have better specs. Hang in there guys the sky is not falling yet !!!  

  • Anonymous

    What are you talking about ? This is the best news for T-Mobile. All this hype for and updated iphone 4 ? Or is it outdated. Probably both. Maybe T-Mobile didn’t think it was worth all the money. T-mobile is still alot cheaper than the other major carriers. did the math for a customer the other day. Saved them $100 per month for a 2 line family plan over Verizon and at&t. That’s real money !!!  The iphone is great but not worth all the hype and cost to run. T-Mobile has a bunch of phone that have better specs. Hang in there guys the sky is not falling yet !!!  

  • Android4life

    fanboyws will say not getting the Iphone is a killer for T Mobile,  but who wants a phone that is overpriced, has no replaceable battery and locks the apps that can be used? 

    the Iphone hysteria is a perfect example of mass marketing over brains

  • Crisgold920

    apple makes good products but they are AMAZING at advertising to the non-geek population, meaning the other 98 percent of the world. icloud? “omg i can access my music and photos from everywhere(dropbox), dual core processor (omg now its 2 instead of one) 8mp camera? a year later. same size screen bla bla ..  for “most” people this is still a great upgrade. tmobile needs a better marketing team. they are releasing one of the best phones too date, and it doesnt get ANY press like iphone.

  • Anonymous

    DT killed t-mobile they never invested enough money to keep up with the other carrier and where extremely late to the 3g game

    • Willingi001

      what u mean late tmobile has a big 4g cover thats why att wants them its not as fast as lte but my sensation gets 8 mbps thats pretty fast

      • Mopar6464

        It’s not true LTE 4G , and only a few selected high dollar phones actually benifit from the HSPA+ anyways.

    • Willingi001

      what u mean late tmobile has a big 4g cover thats why att wants them its not as fast as lte but my sensation gets 8 mbps thats pretty fast

  • Anonymous

    DT killed t-mobile they never invested enough money to keep up with the other carrier and where extremely late to the 3g game

  • Anonymous

    DT killed t-mobile they never invested enough money to keep up with the other carrier and where extremely late to the 3g game

  • Anonymous

    DT killed t-mobile they never invested enough money to keep up with the other carrier and where extremely late to the 3g game

  • Anonymous

    DT killed t-mobile they never invested enough money to keep up with the other carrier and where extremely late to the 3g game

  • Anonymous

    DT killed t-mobile they never invested enough money to keep up with the other carrier and where extremely late to the 3g game

  • Littlesis1774

    Well that is it T-mobile once my contract is up I am going to Sprint. I can pay 69.99 a month for iphone 4s. I been a loyal customers for years and you just broke the hearts of millions of t-mobile customers want the device. Have fun trying to win back customers from Sprint

  • Littlesis1774

    Well that is it T-mobile once my contract is up I am going to Sprint. I can pay 69.99 a month for iphone 4s. I been a loyal customers for years and you just broke the hearts of millions of t-mobile customers want the device. Have fun trying to win back customers from Sprint

    • Mopar6464

      Maybe , Sprint has’nt released what their going to charge monthly for a iphone plan yet.

  • Littlesis1774

    Well that is it T-mobile once my contract is up I am going to Sprint. I can pay 69.99 a month for iphone 4s. I been a loyal customers for years and you just broke the hearts of millions of t-mobile customers want the device. Have fun trying to win back customers from Sprint

  • Littlesis1774

    Well that is it T-mobile once my contract is up I am going to Sprint. I can pay 69.99 a month for iphone 4s. I been a loyal customers for years and you just broke the hearts of millions of t-mobile customers want the device. Have fun trying to win back customers from Sprint

  • scokes7

    I think ATT had a big part in this decision as well as T Mobile because they both want this deal to go through.  I could care less about the iphone but I would like for T Mobile to stay in front with the android phones and carry the nexus prime.

  • scokes7

    I think ATT had a big part in this decision as well as T Mobile because they both want this deal to go through.  I could care less about the iphone but I would like for T Mobile to stay in front with the android phones and carry the nexus prime.

  • There are plenty of other carriers out there who would like to use the iPhone on their spectrum, not just T-Mobile.  It just sucks that T-Mobile doesn’t have it this time around. Maybe next year…or the year after that…or for the iPhone 6S; who knows?

    On a side note, I find it hard to believe that people would really want to leave TMO over not having the iPhone when we all know how horrible the other networks are.  Even current users of the iPhone have their complaints.  The phone is only as good as the network its being used on.

  • Razorray15

    It’s a shame T-Mobile wasn’t able to get the iPhone 4S. Imagine the number of current customers that would have extended their contracts or added a new line and the amount of new customers T-Mobile could have gained.

    I have been with T-Mobile for 6 Years and enough is enough T-Mobile is to involved with Android at the moment. I really hope it’s not too late for T-Mobile to realize that they do need the iPhone if Verizon and Sprint realized they needed the iPhone on their network what is T-Mobile waiting for?

    • guest

      T-mobile USA can’t afford to pay for the iPhone. It already owes dt a lot of money that needs to be generated by the end of the year

    • guest

      T-mobile USA can’t afford to pay for the iPhone. It already owes dt a lot of money that needs to be generated by the end of the year

  • Razorray15

    It’s a shame T-Mobile wasn’t able to get the iPhone 4S. Imagine the number of current customers that would have extended their contracts or added a new line and the amount of new customers T-Mobile could have gained.

    I have been with T-Mobile for 6 Years and enough is enough T-Mobile is to involved with Android at the moment. I really hope it’s not too late for T-Mobile to realize that they do need the iPhone if Verizon and Sprint realized they needed the iPhone on their network what is T-Mobile waiting for?

  • Howie8690

    I don’t know how you can say it was a mistake by T-Mobile, as they WANT the merger to go through, why would they do anything at this point that would hurt that.?

  • SemiSpook

    The thing is, it’s just a phone. Or if you want to get really technical, it’s a glorified iPod Touch that just happens to have a phone built in. Not only that, the release buzz has been pretty underwhelmed, and if you just HAVE to have an iPhone on T-Mobile, go directly to Germany and get it over there. Such beasts do exist (and this is seeing it from someone who works over in Germany), the question is how badly do you want one?

    T-Mobile will be fine. It may not get sucked into AT&T, but it may end up being something completely different before all is said and done. One little device that is only 5% of the global market, which means that 95% is a whole lot of something completely different.

    The iPhone 4S won’t make Blackberry users give them up (especially when there’s a Torch coming on T-Mo in a month). It certainly won’t sway Android users (in fact, Apple just pushed me directly into the market for one).

    Let’s be real here, the iPhone 4S may have new guts, but if they’re still having issues with the antenna, regardless of carrier, what’s the point? Too much sizzle, not enough steak here, folks.

  • Zifnab2k

    T-Mobile was already dead. They’ve been gurgling out their last breathes ever since this merger was announced. I don’t get the impression they ever had any intention of surviving should the merger go through. With that said, Apple would have been foolish to waste money and time making phone handle TMobile’s 3g when the company is just going to destroy itself in under a year anyways.

    I will never switch to ATT, or the iPhone for that matter. But the demise of T-Mobile is imminent.

  • Zifnab2k

    T-Mobile was already dead. They’ve been gurgling out their last breathes ever since this merger was announced. I don’t get the impression they ever had any intention of surviving should the merger go through. With that said, Apple would have been foolish to waste money and time making phone handle TMobile’s 3g when the company is just going to destroy itself in under a year anyways.

    I will never switch to ATT, or the iPhone for that matter. But the demise of T-Mobile is imminent.

  • Zifnab2k

    T-Mobile was already dead. They’ve been gurgling out their last breathes ever since this merger was announced. I don’t get the impression they ever had any intention of surviving should the merger go through. With that said, Apple would have been foolish to waste money and time making phone handle TMobile’s 3g when the company is just going to destroy itself in under a year anyways.

    I will never switch to ATT, or the iPhone for that matter. But the demise of T-Mobile is imminent.

  • It can’t be helped… I’ll continue to ride the T-Mobile wave until I can’t ride no more & capsize somewhere. iPhone is really not all that it’s cracked up to be, it’s just a ‘brand’ of popularity. Sure it could’ve helped T-Mobile, but… it’s not like the actually device itself is really doing much. & I believe the fate of T-Mobile was already decided once the acquisition was announced on both party’s, everything else to follow is just going according to plan. I don’t think “T-Mobile” could’ve gave any money or did anything to get the iPhone, DT owns T-Mobile USA, they control the money. They don’t want T-Mobile USA anymore, so they don’t care about doing everything in their power to save T-Mobile, if anything they want T-Mobile to blow away w/ the wind & collect profits from AT&T

  • It can’t be helped… I’ll continue to ride the T-Mobile wave until I can’t ride no more & capsize somewhere. iPhone is really not all that it’s cracked up to be, it’s just a ‘brand’ of popularity. Sure it could’ve helped T-Mobile, but… it’s not like the actually device itself is really doing much. & I believe the fate of T-Mobile was already decided once the acquisition was announced on both party’s, everything else to follow is just going according to plan. I don’t think “T-Mobile” could’ve gave any money or did anything to get the iPhone, DT owns T-Mobile USA, they control the money. They don’t want T-Mobile USA anymore, so they don’t care about doing everything in their power to save T-Mobile, if anything they want T-Mobile to blow away w/ the wind & collect profits from AT&T

  • HAHAHAHAHAHA! WOW! I dont know if I want to call up my friends and family who are iOS fans and gloat that “Android WINS!” or if I call up and offer my condolences. All I know is that I’m so happy with their failure that I’m about to start dancing.

    • Littlesis1774

      That the last thing you should do because the merger is on the table

  • HAHAHAHAHAHA! WOW! I dont know if I want to call up my friends and family who are iOS fans and gloat that “Android WINS!” or if I call up and offer my condolences. All I know is that I’m so happy with their failure that I’m about to start dancing.

  • HAHAHAHAHAHA! WOW! I dont know if I want to call up my friends and family who are iOS fans and gloat that “Android WINS!” or if I call up and offer my condolences. All I know is that I’m so happy with their failure that I’m about to start dancing.

  • Brett Schulte

    Meh, I don’t want an iPhone, and with twice as many people picking Android, I don’t think I’m the only one.  This is an underwhelming phone.  If anyone blocked T-Mobile getting the iPhone, it was probably AT&T.  T-Mobile will do fine… so will Metro PCS, Cricket, etc.

    Maybe they’ll get the iPhone 5?

  • Ricky

    Ive got to say I don’t really agree with this article. While it is disappointing that tmo didn’t get the iphone I don’t think tmo is over with. There may be a huge amount of iphones or smartphones out now I think in the grand scheme of things that is the mobile market I think smartphones in general are still in the minority.

  • Ricky

    Ive got to say I don’t really agree with this article. While it is disappointing that tmo didn’t get the iphone I don’t think tmo is over with. There may be a huge amount of iphones or smartphones out now I think in the grand scheme of things that is the mobile market I think smartphones in general are still in the minority.

    • guest

      Actually Ricky, that’s not true. Smart phones are most definitely in the majority now. The percentage of people using text and internet on their phones more than calling is high and continuing to climb. That’s why throttling is such an issue now

  • Ricky

    Ive got to say I don’t really agree with this article. While it is disappointing that tmo didn’t get the iphone I don’t think tmo is over with. There may be a huge amount of iphones or smartphones out now I think in the grand scheme of things that is the mobile market I think smartphones in general are still in the minority.

  • Ricky

    Ive got to say I don’t really agree with this article. While it is disappointing that tmo didn’t get the iphone I don’t think tmo is over with. There may be a huge amount of iphones or smartphones out now I think in the grand scheme of things that is the mobile market I think smartphones in general are still in the minority.

  • Ricky

    Ive got to say I don’t really agree with this article. While it is disappointing that tmo didn’t get the iphone I don’t think tmo is over with. There may be a huge amount of iphones or smartphones out now I think in the grand scheme of things that is the mobile market I think smartphones in general are still in the minority.

  • Ricky

    Ive got to say I don’t really agree with this article. While it is disappointing that tmo didn’t get the iphone I don’t think tmo is over with. There may be a huge amount of iphones or smartphones out now I think in the grand scheme of things that is the mobile market I think smartphones in general are still in the minority.

  • Tracers

    IPhone users are little more than sheep.

    • Mopar6464

      Please go back under your rock AnalDroid loser.

  • Tracers

    IPhone users are little more than sheep.

  • I’m sorry I am going to have to disagree with you, even if T-Mobile does not have the iPhone, that does not mean they cannot compete. In my opinion this is what I think will happen. The court is not going to care about T-Mobile “not being able to compete” argument because they do not have the iPhone. The Department of Justice’s argument is that the deal violates antitrust law. Making AT&T and T-Mobile one entity removes a competitor and reduces the national wireless carriers to 3. That’s what the court will see. Now if T-Mobile can’t compete, the court has nothing to do with that problem. T-Mobile is free to sell or make a partnership with any other entity as long as it doesn’t reduce competition. Just my 2 cents…

    • Zifnab2k

      The problem with your theory is that T-Mobile USA and more importantly DT have no interest in T-Mobile existing any longer. IF the merger fails, the company will be disolved and they’ll lose the 4th competitor either way.

      I certainly don’t want to find myself on ATT if the merger goes through, matter of fact i’ll drop my plan like a bad habit and move on to Sprint or Verizon… but all of my desires not to see ATT take over T-Mobile will prevent T-Mobile from killing itself.

      • Zifnab2k

        will not *

      • Zifnab2k

        will not *

      • Zifnab2k

        will not *

      • DT isn’t going to let T-Mobile dissolve and lose all that money that they initially invested on T-Mobile. Most likely DT will sell to another buyer such as a cable company like Dish etc. They only accepted AT&T’s deal because AT&T was willing to pay way more than the cable companies and all the other bidders. If the deal is blocked in court, well DT is just going to go to his next best bidder. No way in hell are they going to just go bankrupt.

      • DT isn’t going to let T-Mobile dissolve and lose all that money that they initially invested on T-Mobile. Most likely DT will sell to another buyer such as a cable company like Dish etc. They only accepted AT&T’s deal because AT&T was willing to pay way more than the cable companies and all the other bidders. If the deal is blocked in court, well DT is just going to go to his next best bidder. No way in hell are they going to just go bankrupt.

        • Littlesis1774

          That will not happen because T-mobile would have lost to much value. I think they will disband T-mobile USA all together

        • Littlesis1774

          That will not happen because T-mobile would have lost to much value. I think they will disband T-mobile USA all together

        • Did you forget about the break-up fee AT&T needs to pay up in 3 billion dollars of cash and 3 billion worth of spectrum?

      • DT isn’t going to let T-Mobile dissolve and lose all that money that they initially invested on T-Mobile. Most likely DT will sell to another buyer such as a cable company like Dish etc. They only accepted AT&T’s deal because AT&T was willing to pay way more than the cable companies and all the other bidders. If the deal is blocked in court, well DT is just going to go to his next best bidder. No way in hell are they going to just go bankrupt.

      • Fred_Flintstone

        DT is in business to make money. They won’t just “toss it out and write it off”.  T-Mobile can be reinvented, there are smaller players that could be consolidated with it. Heck it would even make a good match up with Virgin Mobile.

      • Fred_Flintstone

        DT is in business to make money. They won’t just “toss it out and write it off”.  T-Mobile can be reinvented, there are smaller players that could be consolidated with it. Heck it would even make a good match up with Virgin Mobile.

      • Fred_Flintstone

        DT is in business to make money. They won’t just “toss it out and write it off”.  T-Mobile can be reinvented, there are smaller players that could be consolidated with it. Heck it would even make a good match up with Virgin Mobile.

      • Jeremiah Harrell

        someone hit the nail on the head, tmo will no longer exist one way or another!

    • Zifnab2k

      The problem with your theory is that T-Mobile USA and more importantly DT have no interest in T-Mobile existing any longer. IF the merger fails, the company will be disolved and they’ll lose the 4th competitor either way.

      I certainly don’t want to find myself on ATT if the merger goes through, matter of fact i’ll drop my plan like a bad habit and move on to Sprint or Verizon… but all of my desires not to see ATT take over T-Mobile will prevent T-Mobile from killing itself.

    • Zifnab2k

      The problem with your theory is that T-Mobile USA and more importantly DT have no interest in T-Mobile existing any longer. IF the merger fails, the company will be disolved and they’ll lose the 4th competitor either way.

      I certainly don’t want to find myself on ATT if the merger goes through, matter of fact i’ll drop my plan like a bad habit and move on to Sprint or Verizon… but all of my desires not to see ATT take over T-Mobile will prevent T-Mobile from killing itself.

  • I’m sorry I am going to have to disagree with you, even if T-Mobile does not have the iPhone, that does not mean they cannot compete. In my opinion this is what I think will happen. The court is not going to care about T-Mobile “not being able to compete” argument because they do not have the iPhone. The Department of Justice’s argument is that the deal violates antitrust law. Making AT&T and T-Mobile one entity removes a competitor and reduces the national wireless carriers to 3. That’s what the court will see. Now if T-Mobile can’t compete, the court has nothing to do with that problem. T-Mobile is free to sell or make a partnership with any other entity as long as it doesn’t reduce competition. Just my 2 cents…

  • I’m sorry I am going to have to disagree with you, even if T-Mobile does not have the iPhone, that does not mean they cannot compete. In my opinion this is what I think will happen. The court is not going to care about T-Mobile “not being able to compete” argument because they do not have the iPhone. The Department of Justice’s argument is that the deal violates antitrust law. Making AT&T and T-Mobile one entity removes a competitor and reduces the national wireless carriers to 3. That’s what the court will see. Now if T-Mobile can’t compete, the court has nothing to do with that problem. T-Mobile is free to sell or make a partnership with any other entity as long as it doesn’t reduce competition. Just my 2 cents…

  • I’m sorry I am going to have to disagree with you, even if T-Mobile does not have the iPhone, that does not mean they cannot compete. In my opinion this is what I think will happen. The court is not going to care about T-Mobile “not being able to compete” argument because they do not have the iPhone. The Department of Justice’s argument is that the deal violates antitrust law. Making AT&T and T-Mobile one entity removes a competitor and reduces the national wireless carriers to 3. That’s what the court will see. Now if T-Mobile can’t compete, the court has nothing to do with that problem. T-Mobile is free to sell or make a partnership with any other entity as long as it doesn’t reduce competition. Just my 2 cents…

  • Youngt82

    Fuckkk the iPhone!!!!!!!!!!! But it kinda makes sense why T-Mo isn’t getting it yet because they are waiting for the final outcome of this merger and since T-Mobile is the 4th largest carrier it would make sense they will get it next probably next year when the iPhone 5 comes out but for now I don’t care about it because I love my Android device(s) so come on Nexus Prime aka T-Mobile G3??:)

    • Zifnab2k

      no way will Nexus Prime be renamed G anything. Nexus is a Nexus and G phone is a G phone… yea they’re both Vanilla, but only Nexus gets the updates first.

    • Littlesis1774

      That will be the biggest risk and mistake of their life. T-mobile was probably not expecting DOJ to block it.

  • Youngt82

    Fuckkk the iPhone!!!!!!!!!!! But it kinda makes sense why T-Mo isn’t getting it yet because they are waiting for the final outcome of this merger and since T-Mobile is the 4th largest carrier it would make sense they will get it next probably next year when the iPhone 5 comes out but for now I don’t care about it because I love my Android device(s) so come on Nexus Prime aka T-Mobile G3??:)

  • sino8r

    David, people who wanted an iphone have left already or just uses it on 2G like you do. I doubt they’re going to cause a huge churn. I do feel you’re pain even though I’m a diehard Android user. Its not fair… I agree. Tmobile has bigger things to worry about atm. Although, this won’t help things but I doubt it will be a huge loss. I feel sorry for all the Apple fans on tmobile. Just keep using that wifi, I guess..

    • Retenrep

      A new iPhone launch always causes a big loss of customers for Tmo ( retention employee ). Tmo specifically tracks how many cancel due to the iPhone and is constantly trainging us how to talk down the iPhone and the competition. It’s getting old.

    • Retenrep

      A new iPhone launch always causes a big loss of customers for Tmo ( retention employee ). Tmo specifically tracks how many cancel due to the iPhone and is constantly trainging us how to talk down the iPhone and the competition. It’s getting old.

  • sino8r

    David, people who wanted an iphone have left already or just uses it on 2G like you do. I doubt they’re going to cause a huge churn. I do feel you’re pain even though I’m a diehard Android user. Its not fair… I agree. Tmobile has bigger things to worry about atm. Although, this won’t help things but I doubt it will be a huge loss. I feel sorry for all the Apple fans on tmobile. Just keep using that wifi, I guess..

  • Ali

    I think Apple just killed itself not T-Mobile.

  • Ali

    I think Apple just killed itself not T-Mobile.

  • Cameron W3st

    The worst part about today is that the iPhone is confirmed for Sprint Now…Sprint has extremely reasonable prices, almost as good of prices as Tmobile…I know a LOT of people who will be calling in to cancel on Tmobile and making their way to Sprint…especially people in bigger cities like LA and NY where Sprint has pretty good coverage. 

    This will be Tmobile’s Swan song…which is VERY unfortunate for me because I do NOT want to be with AT&T…looks like it’s going to be Sprint for me as well come next year

    • OKDave

      When I moved to a value plan, I compared my two-year costs to anything I could find from Sprint, ATT, or Verizon, and no one – NO ONE – was close. 

    • Mastrorj

      yup! and im most likely one of them. i got to demo a GS2 today at sprint n played with it for an hour, JUST WORKS GREAT. Ive had the sg1, 4g version, G2X and the Sensation and it blows them out of the water in every possible way. Samsung really did just make me have confidence in them again and im not worried about waiting for the Nexus prime to see what its like, all i ever wanted was something that just works right and it does. Now wether or not i get it on tmobile is up to the consumer relations dept and wether or not they let me out of the contract bc i get no service anymore at my house.

    • Mastrorj

      yup! and im most likely one of them. i got to demo a GS2 today at sprint n played with it for an hour, JUST WORKS GREAT. Ive had the sg1, 4g version, G2X and the Sensation and it blows them out of the water in every possible way. Samsung really did just make me have confidence in them again and im not worried about waiting for the Nexus prime to see what its like, all i ever wanted was something that just works right and it does. Now wether or not i get it on tmobile is up to the consumer relations dept and wether or not they let me out of the contract bc i get no service anymore at my house.

    • guest

      Sprint no longer has a choice. If this merger goes through, they will die very quickly. Switching to Sprint is about the funniest thing customers can do right now.

      • Littlesis1774

        and if does not happen where that leave T-mobile customers? If merger does not go though then switching to SPRINT is the only choice they have. If Merger does not go though then T-mobile is done

      • Littlesis1774

        and if does not happen where that leave T-mobile customers? If merger does not go though then switching to SPRINT is the only choice they have. If Merger does not go though then T-mobile is done

  • Cameron W3st

    The worst part about today is that the iPhone is confirmed for Sprint Now…Sprint has extremely reasonable prices, almost as good of prices as Tmobile…I know a LOT of people who will be calling in to cancel on Tmobile and making their way to Sprint…especially people in bigger cities like LA and NY where Sprint has pretty good coverage. 

    This will be Tmobile’s Swan song…which is VERY unfortunate for me because I do NOT want to be with AT&T…looks like it’s going to be Sprint for me as well come next year

  • Cameron W3st

    The worst part about today is that the iPhone is confirmed for Sprint Now…Sprint has extremely reasonable prices, almost as good of prices as Tmobile…I know a LOT of people who will be calling in to cancel on Tmobile and making their way to Sprint…especially people in bigger cities like LA and NY where Sprint has pretty good coverage. 

    This will be Tmobile’s Swan song…which is VERY unfortunate for me because I do NOT want to be with AT&T…looks like it’s going to be Sprint for me as well come next year

  • Cameron W3st

    The worst part about today is that the iPhone is confirmed for Sprint Now…Sprint has extremely reasonable prices, almost as good of prices as Tmobile…I know a LOT of people who will be calling in to cancel on Tmobile and making their way to Sprint…especially people in bigger cities like LA and NY where Sprint has pretty good coverage. 

    This will be Tmobile’s Swan song…which is VERY unfortunate for me because I do NOT want to be with AT&T…looks like it’s going to be Sprint for me as well come next year

  • Cameron W3st

    The worst part about today is that the iPhone is confirmed for Sprint Now…Sprint has extremely reasonable prices, almost as good of prices as Tmobile…I know a LOT of people who will be calling in to cancel on Tmobile and making their way to Sprint…especially people in bigger cities like LA and NY where Sprint has pretty good coverage. 

    This will be Tmobile’s Swan song…which is VERY unfortunate for me because I do NOT want to be with AT&T…looks like it’s going to be Sprint for me as well come next year

  • Anonymous

    I just wish Tmobile also carried the iPhone. Never had one. But thats the problem. I don’t even have a choice. I don’t want to have to choose between carriers just to get an Iphone. I want to have the option to buy a SGS2 or iPhone 4s….on the same carrier!

  • I’m a verizon Android user and was thinking about switching to Tmobile for the recently announced $30/mo unlimited data deal with 100 voice minutes (Walmart prepaid). This is perfect. No need for any apple products.

    • Littlesis1774

      Don’t go to T-mobile and I am saying this as loyal customers who is leaving once the contract is up. T-mobile will probably not make until  March of 2012. If merger will not happen DT will probably pull out with or without breakup fee. If that the case T-mobile USA will not make it.

      • SuckIt

        Your obviously a moron.  T-Mobile in itself is a profitable company with 33 million subscribers.  The only reason DT is trying to get out of the US market is due to them spending too much money on buying/merging with companies in Europe and not having enough revenue to invest in all the companies.  If the AT&T purchase deal falls apart someone else will step in to purchase TMO or it will be spun off into it’s own independ company.  So how can you say a company with 33 million subscribers will not make it past March 2012?

        • Littlesis1774

          well it was untill now. I predict that half of those will leave T-mobile and DT will pull out of USA market

      • SuckIt

        Your obviously a moron.  T-Mobile in itself is a profitable company with 33 million subscribers.  The only reason DT is trying to get out of the US market is due to them spending too much money on buying/merging with companies in Europe and not having enough revenue to invest in all the companies.  If the AT&T purchase deal falls apart someone else will step in to purchase TMO or it will be spun off into it’s own independ company.  So how can you say a company with 33 million subscribers will not make it past March 2012?

      • SuckIt

        Your obviously a moron.  T-Mobile in itself is a profitable company with 33 million subscribers.  The only reason DT is trying to get out of the US market is due to them spending too much money on buying/merging with companies in Europe and not having enough revenue to invest in all the companies.  If the AT&T purchase deal falls apart someone else will step in to purchase TMO or it will be spun off into it’s own independ company.  So how can you say a company with 33 million subscribers will not make it past March 2012?

    • Littlesis1774

      Don’t go to T-mobile and I am saying this as loyal customers who is leaving once the contract is up. T-mobile will probably not make until  March of 2012. If merger will not happen DT will probably pull out with or without breakup fee. If that the case T-mobile USA will not make it.

    • Littlesis1774

      Don’t go to T-mobile and I am saying this as loyal customers who is leaving once the contract is up. T-mobile will probably not make until  March of 2012. If merger will not happen DT will probably pull out with or without breakup fee. If that the case T-mobile USA will not make it.

    • Yancy

      Don’t Listen to Littlesis1774! I have been with T-Mobile for almost 9 years, and I have never been disappointed, they continue to impress me with their offerings and continue to be profitable. If you have read any of the recent news on the merger it is most likely to be denied then approved. So i wouldn’t worry, Magenta is here to stay! :) Hope you make the switch.

      • Littlesis1774

        FUNNY I will be laughing my way to Sprint while T-mobile towers get shut down.  As of right now is merger does not happen then T-mobile is screw. Heck I don’t think they have any takers.  DT will disband T-mobile USA because they don’t want to be in the USA market anymore. DT said they would rather invest in the European market the USA market. T-mobile USA is screw. The only reason why AT&T is pushing the merger  is because they don’t want pay the 6 billion break up fee. If AT&T does not have to pay then they will split.

  • Tmofan

    Its all a part of the game between DT and att. Tmobile would have had the iPhone if there was no talks about merger. Android is great but iOS is the key key player. Apple should have added atleast Tmobile 3G antenna on their device. I would be more than happy to pay the full price to get it on my hands. Tmobile will be taken over by at&t and I can predict that Tmobile will lose around a million customers this holiday season. I hate at&t and DT.
    Tmobile Shpuld be spinned off into it’s own.

    • Nibbley15

      I agree that Tmobile should probably spin off on it’s own, however I don’t feel that this is “all part of the game” in whole.
      Let’s break down why iOS is a key player:  Only phone with iOS is the iPhone, with their own specs and locked system.  So if you had that much lock-down on exactly what the software has to manage, then it becomes quite easier to work out the bugs.  Now if we are talking Andriod it’s a one size fits all, so getting all the code writers to develop within the system for so many different configurations.  Well we get the idea, too many hands in the pot to make it quite perfect.
      I also feel that Apple could have added the radio to work with 3G on Tmo, but that brings me to my next point. 
      Why did Tmo not get the iPhone IMHO it went something like this:  Sprint if you want it, then you need to commit to buying let’s say 30.5 million units, when VZ & AT&T sold only 12 mil in the 1st half the year.  Sounds like a great deal right?  What do you mean you are not going to buy that many from us, don’t you want it?  Guess no iPhone for you sorry, Tmo.

      • Tmofan

        Hey I am using iPhone on Tmobile right now. :(( but no 3G. Grandpa Edge is supported by wifi. It would have cost apple a few extra $$ to add Tmobile 3G antenna. And they could have sold couple million more iPhones and att would have saved money by not having to replace expensive iPhones for customer after merger.

        Tmobile not having iPhone should be termed as a conspiracy. And both DT and att should be fined. Doj and FCC should drag apple in this Mess and ask them ‘why not iPhone for Tmobile’.

        If if was vodafone or orange or some other provider taking over Tmobile. We could have had the iPhone by today.

        Damn you att , burn in hell.

      • Tmofan

        Hey I am using iPhone on Tmobile right now. :(( but no 3G. Grandpa Edge is supported by wifi. It would have cost apple a few extra $$ to add Tmobile 3G antenna. And they could have sold couple million more iPhones and att would have saved money by not having to replace expensive iPhones for customer after merger.

        Tmobile not having iPhone should be termed as a conspiracy. And both DT and att should be fined. Doj and FCC should drag apple in this Mess and ask them ‘why not iPhone for Tmobile’.

        If if was vodafone or orange or some other provider taking over Tmobile. We could have had the iPhone by today.

        Damn you att , burn in hell.

  • ColdFeet

    The part I don’t necessarily agree with is “they only accomplished what Android phone manufacturers have done in 6 months”.

    I think that maybe if Android manufacturers spent a little more time fine tuning their devices before rushing to get them out, then maybe we wouldn’t have so many problems. I am not an iPhone fanboy and never really cared to get an iPhone till more recently. I love my Sensation but I’m tired of getting a new phone and wondering what kinda problems it’s going to be coming along with it. Sure, the iPhone has it’s share of problems, but not nearly as many as every Android phone that’s released.

    • Cameron W3st

      AMEN. a NOT PROUD owner of a sketchy Galaxy 1 and G2X

    • allofusjw

      All you’re doing is falling for the hype. All you did was state generalizations. You’re tired of buying android and wondering what will be wrong with the phone? If you go with an iPhone do you believe that there will be no problems? History very clearly states otherwise. You gotta think for yourself. Every new technology has problems. If you want trouble-free technology then buy items a couple years after they’re released. Otherwise, be prepared for flaws. Make decisions for yourself, and stop rationalizing other peoples opinions and biases as being truth.

      • ColdFeet

        I’ve had an Android phone since the original myTouch was released. myTouch to a Vibrant to the Sensation, not to mention the Optimus T that I bought for my mom. How much longer should I wait before I try an iPhone without being told that I’m “falling for the hype”? So far, it’s been almost 3 years.

        Like I said, the iPhone has it’s problems. But it’s not nearly what each and every Android device has.

        But I am really curious to know what makes Android so much better than iOS. Other than Flash (and that’s debatable) and a customizable home screen, I can’t think of anything…

        • Gary

          better specs, more innovative apps, faster processors, etc. You can choose the iphone if you want but there is a reason why Android phones beat out the Iphone 4 in all the dogfights on youtube by the tech sites. 

        • ColdFeet

          Well, just because it has better specs doesn’t mean it’s a better phone. Sure, maybe on paper. But does it run better?

          Now, should we add to that list?

          More “viruses”, more invasions of privacy, more skins that screw up Android (Sense, Touchwhiz, MotoBlur), lower standards for apps that can screw up your phone, more wondering if your brand new, best of the best phone is gonna get the next Android update or if you’ll be left behind because the manufacturer is too busy trying to get their next “iPhone killer” out, more fragmentation (“damn, this innovative app won’t work with my phone that was barely released two months ago”)…

  • ColdFeet

    The part I don’t necessarily agree with is “they only accomplished what Android phone manufacturers have done in 6 months”.

    I think that maybe if Android manufacturers spent a little more time fine tuning their devices before rushing to get them out, then maybe we wouldn’t have so many problems. I am not an iPhone fanboy and never really cared to get an iPhone till more recently. I love my Sensation but I’m tired of getting a new phone and wondering what kinda problems it’s going to be coming along with it. Sure, the iPhone has it’s share of problems, but not nearly as many as every Android phone that’s released.

  • whosaidwhat

    Really?

  • soTechi

    I have an idea…
    T-Mobile, listen to me carefully. The day ‘iPhone 4s’ makes it to Apple store, buy all the unlocked ‘iPhone 4s’. Then start selling at T-Mobile store less than AT&T, Version and Sprint.
    Example:
    16 gb: $189 with 2year contractPlan: $69 (Unlimited Talk, Text, Data)
    T-Mobile gets $19.99 (extra with plan that they already have now ‘$49.99’) x 24 months = $479.76
    T-Mobile gets the iPhone price:  $479.76 + $189 = $668.76 ($69.76 profit for T-Mobile)
    It’s a win win scenario for both T-Mobile and consumers….. J

    • Fred_Flintstone

      Well, in a way T-Mobile started to prepare for this news some time back with the new plans that are a hat tip to the concept of  “getting your phone anywhere you want just come get your service from us”.  I think T-Mobile could find a niche there to lead the pack. How many of us are TIRED of playing the “can’t wait to get a new phone” game but are stuck waiting on the contract term to run it’s course? 

      To say T-Mobile is cooked because it doesn’t have the I-Phone is a big claim when in fact there is a move afoot in the consumer world to be RID of the anchors of a CONTRACT.  It’s so “old telco”.   

  • soTechi

    I have an idea…
    T-Mobile, listen to me carefully. The day ‘iPhone 4s’ makes it to Apple store, buy all the unlocked ‘iPhone 4s’. Then start selling at T-Mobile store less than AT&T, Version and Sprint.
    Example:
    16 gb: $189 with 2year contractPlan: $69 (Unlimited Talk, Text, Data)
    T-Mobile gets $19.99 (extra with plan that they already have now ‘$49.99’) x 24 months = $479.76
    T-Mobile gets the iPhone price:  $479.76 + $189 = $668.76 ($69.76 profit for T-Mobile)
    It’s a win win scenario for both T-Mobile and consumers….. J

  • soTechi

    I have an idea…
    T-Mobile, listen to me carefully. The day ‘iPhone 4s’ makes it to Apple store, buy all the unlocked ‘iPhone 4s’. Then start selling at T-Mobile store less than AT&T, Version and Sprint.
    Example:
    16 gb: $189 with 2year contractPlan: $69 (Unlimited Talk, Text, Data)
    T-Mobile gets $19.99 (extra with plan that they already have now ‘$49.99’) x 24 months = $479.76
    T-Mobile gets the iPhone price:  $479.76 + $189 = $668.76 ($69.76 profit for T-Mobile)
    It’s a win win scenario for both T-Mobile and consumers….. J

  • Tremone Smith

    I could care less about an iphone. All this back and forth just seems to prove to me that people who love the apple are just lemmings. I love the fact that my android phone can take advantage of extra storage space by utilizing a micro sd card. How ’bout them apples? Once you get an iphone, whatever you get, that’s it. I went from an 8gb, to a 16 gb, now I expanded to a 32gb sd card, all without deleting things I want to make space for other stuff I want. How about a screen that doesn’t shatter if the phone gets dropped, because hey, life happens. I love the fact that my phone has a 4.3 inch display, my camera is awesome, and if my battery tanks, I can replace it with a spare. But those things are obviously not important. When you think about it, apple really shackles the phone, the content, all of it. A pretty cage is still a prison. I’m just saying…

    • None

      Could NOT care less

      • Tremone Smith

        I meant it exactly as I wrote it. No need for corrections.

    • Littlesis1774

      Try saying that once T-Mobile USA towers are shut down while you are standing in line at Verizon, SPRINT OR AT&T stores

      • Tremone Smith

        Whatever happens to T-Mobile, I can stay with android no matter who I choose to go to. That was my ENTIRE point. No apples for me…EVER. I love HTC, and by golly HTC is on EVERY carrier. Now what?

      • Tremone Smith

        Whatever happens to T-Mobile, I can stay with android no matter who I choose to go to. That was my ENTIRE point. No apples for me…EVER. I love HTC, and by golly HTC is on EVERY carrier. Now what?

      • Tremone Smith

        Whatever happens to T-Mobile, I can stay with android no matter who I choose to go to. That was my ENTIRE point. No apples for me…EVER. I love HTC, and by golly HTC is on EVERY carrier. Now what?

  • Anonymous

    Well. I’m off contract, Verizon is most likely going to be the exclusive carrier for the Nexus Prime, and the iPhone 4S sucks. I DON’T want to sign a contract with T-Mobile, but i don’t want to leave either. If the merger goes through i will be stuck with AT&T for a whole year and some months. If the merger doesn’t go through i’ll be happy. Since i know some people will jump from the iPhone 4 to the 4S, i’ll get 1 off craigslist and unlock it for T-Mobile. I know, i’ll be stuck on EDGE, but at least if the iPhone 5 comes to T-Mo next year, i can get it. YES, i still have hope that it’ll come to T-Mobile some day (assuming the merger fails).

  • Jdmap1

    I want Sammy Galaxy 2, wife wants iphone. We need to be on the same network. We waited, and waited, still no iphone on T-mobile. Goodbye T-mobile.

    • Dobert Rodson

      Agreed.  I love android and hate the iphone, but the better half has been wanting an iphone forever.  It’s been fun t-mobile, but this is where we part ways…

    • NotaWuss

      What a wuss…put your foot down and show the wife who wears the pants in the relationship.  My wife wants an iPhone too so I told her, “Go and switch to Sprint, AT&T, or VZW and pay your own bill if you want the iPhone so much.”  She replied with, “Fine just buy me the Amaze 4G you showed me”.  That’s how it’s done in a relationship.

  • Minioninnc

    What’s an iPhone?

    • Anonymous

      Isn’t that thing invented by Edison? Oh, no, wait, that was the pornograph machine

  • Ross

    Tmob prob wasnt willing to put up the upfront costs that Sprint did to get the iPhone, and they are banking on the merger…and Apple prob felt they didn’t have much to gain by getting Tmob at this point.

  • Ross

    Tmob prob wasnt willing to put up the upfront costs that Sprint did to get the iPhone, and they are banking on the merger…and Apple prob felt they didn’t have much to gain by getting Tmob at this point.

  • Anonymous

    To all you crybabys whining about no iPhone on tmo bye bye! I’ll take any android phone over the iJunk anyday! More bandwidth for me!

    • ogopogo

      You have to understand why people are upset – even the ones that don’t want or need an iPhone understand that in order to save T-Mobile, the iPhone would be very pivotal.

      I’m sad to say that pretty soon you will have all the BW you need (with your home router) when the T-Mobile towers are shut down.

      This is no longer a “war” between iOS and Android – it is about the viability of T-Mobile!

      • Littlesis1774

        To put in medical terms T-Mobile USA is on life support but if nothing happens with the merger DT might has well pull the plug if there is no buyers

  • Anonymous

    To all you crybabys whining about no iPhone on tmo bye bye! I’ll take any android phone over the iJunk anyday! More bandwidth for me!

  • Teyong Kim

    No 1700Mhz…..ERR….

  • Anonymous

    Highly disappointed in Apple and T-Mobile.

    • Littlesis1774

      I don’t think it was Apple. T-mobile should have gotten the iphone before the merger happen. They knew before the merger that over one million of their customers are iphone user but still nothing. T-mobile USA is only blame for their failure. I can’t believe I am saying this but maybe the merger is what best for them and the consumers.  If the merger does not hold in court and DT pulls out no one will buy them. T-mobile is screw no matter what

      • CM Punk

        T-Mobile has already publicly expressed interest in the iPhone…

        For over a year…

        While I’m sure T-Mobile didn’t do enough to buy into it like Sprint & Verizon have done, each, in the past year…They surely have at least expressed some interest!

        • Littlesis1774

          I think that some bull crap statement by their PR office. If they were true interested in the iphone they should never made those stupid commercials mocking the iphone. Not only that but making jabs at Verizon and Sprint which  is now the third. If they were truly interested in the iphone then should have done what SPRINT did. T-mobile always be sucking up to the androids for awhile. They only made that statement after CMO let it slip and it got leak and probably had a massive cancellations. DT has admitted that lack of iphone is hurting them. DT said that about few years ago but still they had no interest. DT somehow manage get it for the T-mobile in Europe so why T-Mobile USA different? No T-mobile USA spent their time mocking iphone and ipad while that could have better use for getting the iphone.

        • CM Punk

          So, you just don’t believe them, is that right?  What else can they do but publicly show interest and then privately show interest.  You will never actually know their private interest, but going public should help you understand their actual stance.

          By the way…Those attacks were never at the iPhone, they were at AT&T, who was only, really, an option for consumers because of the iPhone.

          Then again, the last major carrier to make jabs at AT&T and the iPhone was Verizon.  The “There’s a map for that” and “What Apple doesn’t do, Droid does.” campaigns both did a good job combatting the iPhone…Then they turn around and nab them the first chance Apple shows interest.

          Crying about “true intentions” doesn’t change the fact that neither you nor I know of T-Mobile’s actual interest.  Saying that it was a “bull crap statement by their PR office” is like me saying “You were sent here by Appalachian Wireless’s PR office.”  Neither one of us has knowledge, and though they may be true, to assume makes you look just plain ridiculous.

      • CM Punk

        T-Mobile has already publicly expressed interest in the iPhone…

        For over a year…

        While I’m sure T-Mobile didn’t do enough to buy into it like Sprint & Verizon have done, each, in the past year…They surely have at least expressed some interest!

  • Anonymous

    I personally could care less about iPhone and am very happy with Android. BUT. I know iPhone would’ve brought a lot of customers back to Tmobile… it’s a shame we’re not getting it!!!

  • Anonymous

    I personally could care less about iPhone and am very happy with Android. BUT. I know iPhone would’ve brought a lot of customers back to Tmobile… it’s a shame we’re not getting it!!!

  • Applesaucy

    OMG are you serious?  Like sure, this cuts T-Mobile out of an important part of the pie…but for crying out loud there is a HUGE market out there that doesn’t give a damn to have Apple’s phone.

    • ogopogo

      Unfortunately, the Android “Pie” is divided amongst 4 carriers, and the Apple “Pie” is shared by 3. Who do you think will lose out? I don’t care for Apple, and prefer the open-platform approach of Android, but, unfortunately, I think that the article is correct. In order for T-Mobile to survive, they needed some flavor of Apple in their lineup. T-Mobile is now officially the “odd-man-out”.

      Keep in mind that by not having the iPhone at T-Mobile, this will also compromise Sprint in the long run. Kinda weird, but makes sense. AT&T and Verizon are too big for a 3rd or 4th place carrier to take on (regardless of technology). Without the iPhone, it will only be Sprint taking on the Bell Duo by themselves.

      I will ride this out as long as I can to support T-Mobile, but, I am finally starting to see the “real” plan by DT and AT&T. Be prepared boys! we will be back to a duopoly sooner than you think.

  • Applesaucy

    OMG are you serious?  Like sure, this cuts T-Mobile out of an important part of the pie…but for crying out loud there is a HUGE market out there that doesn’t give a damn to have Apple’s phone.

  • Applesaucy

    OMG are you serious?  Like sure, this cuts T-Mobile out of an important part of the pie…but for crying out loud there is a HUGE market out there that doesn’t give a damn to have Apple’s phone.

  • Applesaucy

    OMG are you serious?  Like sure, this cuts T-Mobile out of an important part of the pie…but for crying out loud there is a HUGE market out there that doesn’t give a damn to have Apple’s phone.

  • i smell a conspiracy.

    • Mike Hall

      No, that’s the smell of bullsh*t.

  • Lfgonzal

    DT killed Tmobile USA by not supporting Tmobile  USA , they could have
    gone big with this iphone and andriod both at the front with HSPA+, and
    what happen to their plan they showed a year a go to support HSPA+ then
    LTE and a expanded network? in the US?, DT failed to support Tmobile
    USA…. they are still profitable…. they just need to get a better
    marketing team and work from there…..

  • Lfgonzal

    DT killed Tmobile USA by not supporting Tmobile  USA , they could have
    gone big with this iphone and andriod both at the front with HSPA+, and
    what happen to their plan they showed a year a go to support HSPA+ then
    LTE and a expanded network? in the US?, DT failed to support Tmobile
    USA…. they are still profitable…. they just need to get a better
    marketing team and work from there…..

  • Jackofalltracks

    We need to think of this in a global perspective.

    1) Iphone is available on T-Mobile( i.e. T-Mobile UK, etc..)
    2) I have a few theories as to why the Iphone is not coming to T-Mobile but my main one is ATT has some backdoor deal with Apple. Why have the Iphone on tmouk and not tmous?
    3) The iphone is not a “world phone” in the context you put it. Do you even know what a “world phone” is?
    4) DT is possibly going to spin off TMOUS if the merger fails. With the new cash infusion and the spectrum TMOUS would be in a great position to revitalize its business including acquiring the Iphone. However, if Google pursues TMOUS who knows what will happen.
    5) Apple isn’t great at making phones it’s great at marketing.  Just look at Amazon and their Kindle tablet. It’s all about creating the hype. Unfortunately, the android manufacturer’s cannot get their act together.
    6) This leads me to my next point, the Google acquisition of Motorola is a mobile game-changer. Just wait a couple of years, you’ll see.

    • Mastrorj

      I must say the point #6 was a really good one. And i know that they JUUUUUST got Motorola but im curious to think why did they have samsung making the nexus prime and not just do it themselves  using the motorola acquisition. Or was it bc they had Samsung already making it way b4 the purchase of motorola? And game changer?? Yes i would deff have to agree. I also could see Google wanting Tmobile but wouldnt that be interesting…Verizon;s flag ship Droids are all motorola phones How would that effect the game then if they also boughtTMOUS?? Just interesting to think about u know.

  • Jay Lopez

    TMO doesnt want that junk, for their own reasons they will stick to Android which is what they want, and furthermore I dont want that crap screwing up my network.

  • BP

    Andrew,

    Great Article!  Now CC this to everyone who still thinks AT&T won’t takeover T-Mobile early next year.

  • Rob Reder

    Apparently you’ve missed the massive amounts of press about what a disappointment this iteration of the iphone is. No one’s buying this rebranded junk.

    • Nibbley15

      And the wonderful upgrade speed to, oh darn 3G again…..  No HSPA, 4G for the iPhone again, way to go!  Go ahead Sprint and try to get rid of all those units you just committed too.  We will see them on Ebay soon enough.

  • CuriousiGeorge

    The apple website shows that the freq bands are:
    UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz); 
    GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)CDMA EV-DO Rev. A (800, 1900 MHz)4Will any of these freq’s offer speeds better than Edge unlocked on Tmobile?

    • DamnnnnnnReally?

      No iGeorge. Your curiosity fails you once again

  • CuriousiGeorge

    The apple website shows that the freq bands are:
    UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz); 
    GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)CDMA EV-DO Rev. A (800, 1900 MHz)4Will any of these freq’s offer speeds better than Edge unlocked on Tmobile?

  • CuriousiGeorge

    The apple website shows that the freq bands are:
    UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz); 
    GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)CDMA EV-DO Rev. A (800, 1900 MHz)4Will any of these freq’s offer speeds better than Edge unlocked on Tmobile?

  • CuriousiGeorge

    The apple website shows that the freq bands are:
    UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz); 
    GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)CDMA EV-DO Rev. A (800, 1900 MHz)4Will any of these freq’s offer speeds better than Edge unlocked on Tmobile?

  • nerdlust

    I think tmobile will get the iphone in due time. Either with or without the merger. It makes good business sense for apple and tmobile. But for me its too late. I can’t buy a phone without flash. I went on a road trip to the mall of america I had my bud try to pull up a couple of casinos website on his iphone4 so we could get the address and he couldn’t display the page because of the flash content. I was able to pull of the site on my cliq2 no problem. no flash no sell I need the full internet.

    • Anonymous

      As HTML 5 becomes more and more standard, the absence of Flash on iOs devices will become a moot point.

  • DamnnnnnnReally?

    Even with all the Android phones in T-Mobile’s arsenal, they still can’t manage to keep existing customers from leaving. To keep it plain and simple T-Mobile sucks. Sure their prices are competitive but with baby names for their android phones like the “my touch,” there’s no wonder people switch over. Apple made a wise decision. It’ll take more than just a phone (an iPhone to be exact) to keep them afloat. Just like it’ll take more than the iPhone on the sprint network to keep them competitive against Verizon and AT&T.

  • Mike Hall

    First of all, Apple doesn’t have the power to kill any company, they might be able to sue them into oblivion, but they’re not putting anyone out of business. Second of all, the iPhone 4S is the biggest feature they added was the A5 chip and the 8 MP Camera (and voice recognition but they withhold that from current users because they can, this could EASILY be added to the current and past generation iPhones and iPods). As far I’m concerned Apple sucks altogether. They released a new iPod Nano but the only new things added were the clock faces, Nike+, and a new UI, all of which could’ve been added to the current gen iPod Nano. They released a new iPod Touch but the only thing different is it’s available it white. Big deal. No one is going to upgrade from their current Nano’s, Touch’s or iPhones to get these few features. They might upgrade their iPhone for the camera and faster processor, but iPhone is already speedy and takes decent pictures so I wouldn’t see the point to drop another 200 bucks when you just upgraded last year. But basically here’s my message to you if you upgrade from last gen’s iDevices to this most recent gent: DONATE THE MONEY TO CHARITY! Quit wasting your money on stupid shit like this and give the money to someone who needs it! The only person Apple is hurting by releasing an iPhone 4S is themselves, case in point, Apple shares are down, Tmo’s shares are up.

  • Moonblueworld

    I love T-Mobile & Android so im not leaving for the iPhone.

  • Mastrorj

    Any one else think How this new Siri would work….

    YOU: Change meeting with mike from 2pm to 3 pm…
    Siri: ok…changing meeting with kate 2pm to 3pm…
    YOU:NO NO i said mike change meeting with mike!…
    Siri: Ok…Deleting meeting with Mike at 2pm…
    YOU: No i didnt say delete mikes meeting!!…
    Siri: Ok…Deleting mike from contacts…

    Camera seems really impressive though…that counts for something right?

  • TonyJohns

    OMG get over it! T-Mobile doesnt/didn’t get the iphone. Move on. If you really want the phone, then switch carriers. A company is not going to go bankrupt over ONE phone. There is a WHOLE MARKET of customers who don’t give a damn about the iphone.

    Yes, I would have liked to see tmobile pick up the iphone. I would have gotten one as I would like to try one out. But they don’t and that’s ok, because life goes on. I’m not going to sulk and moan over something that cannot be changed.

    But stop thinking everyone wants an iphone and any carrier that doesn’t carry it is doomed. It makes you look like an isheep lemming and that’s not a good look.

    • Cybersedan

      Tony:  I must say the very last line in your post hits the nail on the head.  And lead me to ponder the below thought… 

      Would carrying the iPhone help T-Mobile now, sure they would sell quite a few.  But the real question is, does T-Mobile really need the iPhone?

      If this scenario had played out in October 2008 when Android was in it’s infancy and there weren’t comparable and better smartphone options, and Sprint, VZ and AT&T had the iPhone but not T-Mobile, then I think it’s a very different story, the ship would have sunk.

      But it’s been 4 years, I’d bet that most people who want an iPhone already have one.  Not that there aren’t a few stragglers out there, but I really don’t think that getting an iPhone today makes much difference for T-Mobile. Yeah it may keep a few thousand people who want it and never left T-Mo, it may bring back a few thousand people who left to another carrier.  The million people who use the phone on T-MO today using Edge would almost certainly buy the T-MO version.  But in the big picture, I doubt it would have the same impact it would 3 years ago either way.

  • Alex wardlaw

    WOW.. this was written by an icrap lover… I mean really… T-mobile doesnt need apple crap.. I dont think the merger will go thru and SOMEONE (google) will snatch them up for a song, then release special MOTOROLA phones on their net work… If you want icrap.. buy an unlocked one and enjoy your slow edge service, while some whiz around with a galaxysII or a sensation… 
    even my almost 2yr old nexus one is faster than an icrap 4… 

    • ogopogo

      I don’t think that the author is an “icrap lover”. I think that he is being realistic. T-Mobile is #4 in subscribers. T-Mobile is now the ONLY carrier without the iPhone. There are no compelling reasons why anyone would switch to T-Mobile and sign a 2-year contract. Why? because they have Android devices?? Hell, ALL of the other carriers have android devices!!! And – they have something that a LARGE customer base wants as well – the iPhone.

    • By

      icrap. Lol

  • Hoops

    Been with T-Mobile since 2003.  Been using an iPhone on T-Mo’s Edge network since 2009. 

    I’m sad about it, but I’m tired of kludging with my old iPhone on iOS 3.14 and sadly will switch to another carrier.  I’d wait if I thought T-Mo would get the iPhone and/or if I thought they would be around.  I will still have three pay-as–you-go T-Mo phones.

    What bugs me is that is not so much that I think the AT&T merger will go through as it is now proposed; but rather that T-Mo will get dismantled like PrimeCo did about ten years ago.  I love T0-Mobile and this forum for that matter, but I think T-Mobile as we know it going away.  

    So I’m jumping to the iPhone on Sprint or Verizon for my main phone.

  • zps

    hey guys, can anyone tell me if the bands on this thing will run on T-Mo 3G?   

    • It does not, no. 

      • zps

        sh*t, that is what i thought.  thanks.  i’m trying to figure out what to do next.  currently have a plan on tmo and att.  running g2x on tmo and iphone4 on att.  work is about to stop paying for att plan, so i need to pick the plan and phone to go with from here.  any advice?    the 4s is definitely an underwhelming update, but at 64gb and better cam, i’d be happy.  the music playback on the iphone wins, but larger screens, 4G and google voice on android wins.   tough call…. 

      • zps

        sh*t, that is what i thought.  thanks.  i’m trying to figure out what to do next.  currently have a plan on tmo and att.  running g2x on tmo and iphone4 on att.  work is about to stop paying for att plan, so i need to pick the plan and phone to go with from here.  any advice?    the 4s is definitely an underwhelming update, but at 64gb and better cam, i’d be happy.  the music playback on the iphone wins, but larger screens, 4G and google voice on android wins.   tough call…. 

        • daghost

          its not hard at all. the samsung galaxy s2 has been the best phone around for the last 5 months..  it will be named phone of the year by everyone, trust me. you have the closest to the original version right there on at$t.  get it. The nexus will be the best phone when released but wont win any awards cuz its released so late.

  • Frank Guill

    I’ve been with Tmobile since 99 during the VoiceStream days.  I’m done.  In 1999 I would have told you to get bent if you told me I was going to own any apple product in a few years.  I have an ipod touch, ipad2, MacBook Pro, AppleTV.  The reason Apple is doing well with iOS is the integration and the way things work together.  The battery life on any Android device ive owned or played with is horrid. So Ill jump to one of the other 3 after 12 years.

  • Frank Guill

    I’ve been with Tmobile since 99 during the VoiceStream days.  I’m done.  In 1999 I would have told you to get bent if you told me I was going to own any apple product in a few years.  I have an ipod touch, ipad2, MacBook Pro, AppleTV.  The reason Apple is doing well with iOS is the integration and the way things work together.  The battery life on any Android device ive owned or played with is horrid. So Ill jump to one of the other 3 after 12 years.

  • JT

    I thought writers were supposed to be subjective and not biased.  Why would someone want an iphone when Android can do just as much, is faster and not at Apple’s whim.  to add to that you have to pay higher rates on the carriers that offer it.  I like the idea of getting more and paying less.  I guess if Apple sold gas at $5/ gallon and T-mobile sold it for $2.50 everybody would make some great justification to buy it from Apple

  • JT

    I thought writers were supposed to be subjective and not biased.  Why would someone want an iphone when Android can do just as much, is faster and not at Apple’s whim.  to add to that you have to pay higher rates on the carriers that offer it.  I like the idea of getting more and paying less.  I guess if Apple sold gas at $5/ gallon and T-mobile sold it for $2.50 everybody would make some great justification to buy it from Apple

  • JT

    I thought writers were supposed to be subjective and not biased.  Why would someone want an iphone when Android can do just as much, is faster and not at Apple’s whim.  to add to that you have to pay higher rates on the carriers that offer it.  I like the idea of getting more and paying less.  I guess if Apple sold gas at $5/ gallon and T-mobile sold it for $2.50 everybody would make some great justification to buy it from Apple

  • JT

    I thought writers were supposed to be subjective and not biased.  Why would someone want an iphone when Android can do just as much, is faster and not at Apple’s whim.  to add to that you have to pay higher rates on the carriers that offer it.  I like the idea of getting more and paying less.  I guess if Apple sold gas at $5/ gallon and T-mobile sold it for $2.50 everybody would make some great justification to buy it from Apple

  • Anonymous

    “we want the iPhone on all major carriers so we can dominate the market.”  seriously? the iphone are on every carrier in other countries but that havent stop android from exploding and taking market share.

    • Sense

      Profitability matters. Not market share in this case.

  • Anonymous

    Awesome write up dave! Couldn’t agree more.

    • StrongArm

      What does Dave have to do with this article? Andrew, do you know?

      • Anonymous

        Oops! Haha.

  • If I want somebody telling me what to do, when to do, and how to do it I would get a Apple product. I kinda like being able to do what I like. I will stick with Android and Linux. 

  • I agree with JT… The Iphone 4S and No Iphone 5 Announcment – Has dropped Apple Stock 4%!!!  Android Has Officially Taken Over – If it hadn’t already.  I am here some Iphone Fans ready to drop their loyalty in the trash and pick up a new Android Device.  So, this article is almost pointless!!!!

  • Raul

    NOOOOO!!!
    iphone suks… i love androids, i love samsung, i love the galaxy phones.
    i had the ip4 n traded for the vibrant man, i forgot about my ip4 in a day….then my friend had an ip4 n i use it, it felt sooo lame fo real…
    i use to love the iphone i gave it a try on an android and WOW…just make sure u get a good androiid not a mytouch,etc or lg.

    anyways who gives a Krap about tmobile gettin the iphone…..dum.b as.ses that think android its too hard..
     
    peace!
    have a good day!

  • TCP

    Here’s what I figure – T-MO is waiting until the real IP5 is coming out – why waste a free pass for the same APL crap? I’m an IPH user and have been since they came out. I am going GS2 on the 12th and switching from ATT to TMO – that simple.

    • Raul

      u would love it!

    • Raul

      u would love it!

  • James

    Anyone who wants an iPhone that bad would already be on another carrier.  Sure some T-Mobile customers would like the option, but it’s an option that’s not a deal breaker for long term T-Mobile customers.  As they hold more value in T-Mobile’s affordable plans and services.

  • Anonymous

    I see it this way.

    Back in 1997 I signed up with Omnipoint, the only GSM carrier in the United States at the time. I thought for sure, I was using a better system, and one that could be used overseas. For many years, that was true.

    In 2004 or 2005, i bought my first Blackberry…the 7100. It was awesome, and it was the first of three Blackberries I would have. T-Mobile’s service was great. When the original iPhone was announced, I was i pressed, but not too much as there were a lot of limitations to the software.

    But then things began to change. I started using my BB more for data then for calls or text. Mobile web sites became a bit more complex and therefore slow to download on the Bold 9700. Beyond that, the little two inch screen was incredibly limiting. At the same time the iPhone was getting better; iOS was improving and of course, the available apps were just exploding all over the place.

    Last November, my Bold’s battery needed replacing and it was two years old…time for a new handset. Blackberry had pretty much nothing to offer. I switched to Android with a MyTouch 4g. The handet seemed simply amazing. Nice to hold, fast as can be. I was happy.

    Then I went to work.

    I work in a school building that is build like a bunker. The cell phone signals are weak outside, and they barely make it inside even by the windows, having wifi on my phone was an absolute requirement. I was shocked when the MyTouch would join the network in the school, but couldn’t connect. No apps would work. I needed to enter the network’s proxy url. To say I was stunned when I realized there was no place in Android to enter this is turly an understatement. I found online that there were thousands of others just as stunned.

    Worse yet, if I kept the phone’s wifi on, it would see the network and continually try to connect. The result would be a battery that would go from 98% to zero in abut twenty minutes.

    Then Gingerbread arrives and here I am, months and months later, still waiting for that update. It’s been so long that Google’s next version of Android is scheduled for release in just a couple of months.

    But the event that was the final straw was buying an iPad2 back in April. I’m typing this on it now. The OS is great. When Apple releases an update, its there immediately, not ten months later. The app store is beyond incredible. I was never a huge Apple fan until I got the iPad. When I was shopping around I made sire to check for the network connections. Samsung was the only Android user that had the needed proxy capability.

    I stuck with TMobile on e hope that this would be the time they got the iPhone. I would be rid of my Android nightmare at work. But no, it has not happened, So now I’ll probably leave TMobile next year, because as far as I am concerned, the iPhone is by far, superiror to Android. I can’t say I’m happy about it. It has been nice being a “pioneer” subscriber as one rep called me on the phone when he said the line, “And thank you for being a TMobile customer since 19…How long have you been with us!?!”

    No one knows who killed the iPhone for TMobile- .Apple? ATT? TMobile? All I know is I am not waiting much longer. I want an iPhone. Not because it is an Apple product, or because it is alledgedly cool, but because it is good and it works.

    What started as Omnipoint, the most forward thiking and advanced mobile phone system in the US has devolved into TMobile USA, in tenth place in a pack of four. I feel like my phone belongs to an orphan company.

    It really is pathetic.

    • Raul

      oxfdblue no one is gonna read all the crap u just wrote…..just saying!

      • Mopar6464

        i did and it’s the truth.
        IOS is still smoother and more stable than Android,period.

      • StrongArm

        I just read it. Dude, stick to blackberry. Oxdblue, you waited this long, wait another 18 months. If the iPhone 5 doesn’t make the cut then jump ship. I don’t get it. You have an iPad, why are you so desperate for iPhone, so quickly. Get some good use of the iPad, it does everything an iPhone does as long as you are on a wifi or have a 3G plan. You’re being dramatic. If TMO goes through with the merger then you’ll sure have that device you body and mind seems to ache for. At least you can try and get a decent plan when you are part of the clan than jumping ship today and paying full price. Shoot, its only a minor upgrade phone anyway. IPhone4.1 is hardly evolution.

        • Anonymous

          My TMo contract doesnt expire until next November, so I’m not running out in a week to get an iPhone.

          But I am certain my next phone will be one…hoepfully on TMo, but if needed, I will jump ship.

      • Anonymous

        Obviousky, you were wrong.

      • Ricktrann

        I just did Raul. And he makes a lot of sense.

      • Ricktrann

        I just did Raul. And he makes a lot of sense.

    • Ahhh yes another who started with Ominpoint.  I was there also.  I’ve never used any other carrier but Omnipoint/Voicestream/TMOUS and will likely stay with them ’till the bite the dust.  I couldn’t care less about the iPhone but I would really like to see more support from TMOUS for WP7.5.  Only one device annouced so far.  Heres hopping the Nokia Ace makes it to us.

    • Dvaughn88

      I read it too and I am sad you feel that way. I am an RSA at T-mobile and I have personally seen the iPhone 4 using Tmo 3g. There is no reason to leave T-Mobile just for the iPhone. Especially not for the HUGE let down that is the iPhone 4s(4.1 lol) I am positive the acquisition by AT&T will be forever blocked and that T-Mobile WILL get the iPhone 5 in 2012 when it is released. The TMO execs will be compelled to Pay what Apple wants To carry the iPhone 5 in order to keep the TMO USA alive long enough to sell for DT. But right now it is FAR more intelligent for T-Mobile USA to tell Apple thanks but no thanks for the iPhone 4.1! 

  • I’ve held out as long as I can.  I’m standing pat until my wife’s contract is up, then I’m looking elsewhere.  If a great deal on a plan from another carrier comes along, I may just pay the ETF and bolt early.  I’ve had Android on TMo.  It’s good, but I prefer the iPhone.  I’m sad, but I’m gone.

  • I’ve held out as long as I can.  I’m standing pat until my wife’s contract is up, then I’m looking elsewhere.  If a great deal on a plan from another carrier comes along, I may just pay the ETF and bolt early.  I’ve had Android on TMo.  It’s good, but I prefer the iPhone.  I’m sad, but I’m gone.

  • Tracers

    If t-mobile had gotten the same exclusivity with android that art had with the iPhone, this would be an entirely different ballgame

  • Aleale

    sorry for the silly question but does the iphone 4s even capable of 4g speeds? or is it still stuck on 3g speeds?

    (buying a nexus prime and sticking with tmobile by the way)

    • TCP

      NO – 3G and only runs Edge on Tmo

      • StrongArm

        Really? Somebody tell the Apple people that. Because they announced it will run at HSPDA speeds. TCP, thanks for knowing more than the Apple exec at the launch.

    • StrongArm

      Yes, marketing 4G not technical 4G, 2 times faster download speeds than the iPhone4. Probably the only real advancement in the “new” device. If its with similar battery charge capacity then that’s impressive.

    • 3G speeds… A Joke I Tell You!!!

    • 3G speeds… A Joke I Tell You!!!

  • Gwapo

    You can get an IPhone 3GS UNLOCKED from Apple Store for $375 and just use it with Tmobile!!!!

    • TCP

      YEAH – u should just go to Boost Mobile then – its THAT SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

  • StrongArm

    Wow talk about mel·o·dra·mat·ic /mel?dr??matik/. The iPhone has been around for a long time and T-Mobile is still around. Maybe if T-Mobile had gotten on the iPhone gravy train years ago then it would be in a slightly different position, but to say that the new iPhone 4.1 spells doom for the carrier (its lack of access to it) is a stretch. This is not all doom and gloom for T-Mobile. There is a significantly large market for consumers that want great service at value prices. There is a market for T-Mobile.

    It doesn’t make sense for T-Mobile to shell out a lot of cash to get access to the iPhone if it was in the middle of a merger with ATT. The accountants probably did the math and it probably didn’t make sense and the carrier is taking a wait an see policy. In any case, its only the iPhone4.1 and not the 5. The iPhone 5 should and likely be on T-Mobile, however given that Sprint just invested 20 billion for exclusivity, it probably means that if T-Mobile remains independent of ATT then whoever owns T-Mobile will need to revisit the decision to pay to play with the device. 

  • StrongArm

    Wow talk about mel·o·dra·mat·ic /mel?dr??matik/. The iPhone has been around for a long time and T-Mobile is still around. Maybe if T-Mobile had gotten on the iPhone gravy train years ago then it would be in a slightly different position, but to say that the new iPhone 4.1 spells doom for the carrier (its lack of access to it) is a stretch. This is not all doom and gloom for T-Mobile. There is a significantly large market for consumers that want great service at value prices. There is a market for T-Mobile.

    It doesn’t make sense for T-Mobile to shell out a lot of cash to get access to the iPhone if it was in the middle of a merger with ATT. The accountants probably did the math and it probably didn’t make sense and the carrier is taking a wait an see policy. In any case, its only the iPhone4.1 and not the 5. The iPhone 5 should and likely be on T-Mobile, however given that Sprint just invested 20 billion for exclusivity, it probably means that if T-Mobile remains independent of ATT then whoever owns T-Mobile will need to revisit the decision to pay to play with the device. 

  • E

    tired of waiting for years now, time to switch providers

    • Wilma Flintstone

      Yeah man.  Me Too.  We need to switch to Powertel, or maybe Voice Stream.  Those carriers know where it’s at.

  • My2Cents

    It does make me a little sad, because an Iphone would satisfy all the fanboys who’ve been waiting, or want an Iphone with cheaper and faster service than AT&T.  So it would definitely really help.  However I really to hope that these tactics bite Apple in the A$$ at some point.  I’m really sick of Apple, and hope this mobile war ends the way Mac vs PC did, because they would really deserve it.

    So Go Android!  Can’t wait to have my Galaxy 2 in my hands next week.

    • James Devenberg

      I’m pretty sure the Mac vs. PC war isn’t over and that Mac’s are currently growing at a rate that is vastly greater than the growth of the PC market.  And I’m no fanboy, I use both OS’s on a daily basis and think that both have their strong and weak points.  

  • StrongArm, being the only carrier left without it is going to be the final straw.  If there’s not an iPhone 5 coming within 6 months (which isn’t going to happen) that’s on TMo, this finally is the nail in the coffin.  People on TMo have held out long enough.

    • TCP

      I;m just sayin – TMO CEO was smart enough to know that the 4.1 wasn’t worth the trouble – its not 4G or even close to being an LTE. Wait and see – this would have been the boldest move by him. Think about how pissed off everyone was when APL released the 3gs and everyone had just bought a 3g – why piss off your customers by teasing them with a 4.1 and then offering a IP5 in 6 months? Yeah – I think everyone is OK with dropping $200 to $600 and then doing it again 6 months later – oh yea – THANKS ATT for setting the precedent on that!

    • StrongArm

      Its just a phone, I’m in no rush. I like having a GSM phone. Its either TMO or ATT. I can wait. I’m intrigued by the iPhone. Is it a must? Not an iPhone4.1. I’m sure many feel this way.

      • I don’t think you understand… The Iphone 4S is a Joke! It has only HSPA+ 14 …only works on AT&T’s practically non-existent 4G network for 4G speeds.  The phone is simply a BIG DISAPPOINTMENT! Thus, not having it now isn’t really all that bad.

        • StrongArm

          Ah, you don’t understand. I just said what you said, but before you.

      • I don’t think you understand… The Iphone 4S is a Joke! It has only HSPA+ 14 …only works on AT&T’s practically non-existent 4G network for 4G speeds.  The phone is simply a BIG DISAPPOINTMENT! Thus, not having it now isn’t really all that bad.

      • Jays_on

        You calmly put everything in perspective. Overall I’m still pretty happy with the way things are. Now if it was the 5 we were all hoping for, that may have been a bit more of a problem. I am more than content with my newly discovered Mango WP7 coming off my 3gs. The 4s is pretty disappointing to me. But would I buy 4s at full list price if it works with tmo? Probably.

  • vinnyjr

    In my opinion Apple could have helped keep T-Mobile around if they allowed them to sell the I-Phone. Maybe Apple made a deal with AT&T and Verizon to keep the I-Phone out of their reach and this would help bury T-Mobile. Being a T-Mobile loyal customer I am very pissed off that IMO Apple made a well thought out decision to help AT&T squash T-Mobile. I say f— Apple and their lack luster phone. It is too bad this phone could have helped keep T-Mobile around and put them back as a strong US carrier.  Why else would Apple not want their phone on another GSM Carrier?? I think it is very obvious, Apple is in bed with the other Carriers to help put the squeeze on T-Mobile. That is just sneaky, sneaky shit, because of the way Apple does business I will never own another I-phone or any other Apple product. I think Apple also sold Sprint tainted goods. Sprint was thinking Apple was putting out a new and exciting I-Phone, what they got was last years product with little demand. This just shows how fucking sneaky they are. Fuck Apple.

  • Andres Garcia

    A strategy by Apple to support the merger, maybe, most probably. Making the iPhone the cell companies savior? ridiculous!!!  An obviously slanted article!!!!With such a meager update by Apple, it certainly shows a struggle by Apple to present something to the public to stop the growth of Android operating system.

  • Jaygqitalia

    The real question is. How many of you were ACTUALLY going to be the iphone 4S if it came to tmobile, knowing the S2 is coming out, or the prime. I dont know about you guys, but I keep my phone for at least a year or more of the contract, and I damn sure know I want 4G on my phone. 

    • Jaygqitalia

      buy*

      • zps

        agreed the lack of 4G is really pitiful

    • James Devenberg

      The iPhone 4S has the same 4G every phone on T-Mobile has.  HSPA+.  They just aren’t calling it 4G because it does not support Sprint or Verizon’s 4G networks and it would create customer confusion.  It has data speeds up to 14.4 mbps

      • Same type, and that’s really only a few that have the HSPA+ 14.4, G2x, G2, MyTouch 4G, and did I miss one? (Maybe..) However, there’s looking at all the faster data alternatives with the MyTouch 4G Slide, the Sensation, GS4G, the coming Amaze and the GSII (I might have missed some lower ended ones, like that one Samsung with 21mbps that is a low-mid tier phone)

  • Silk7412

    Did anyone see the loops sprint had to do to get the iphone4s. They wouldn’t make any real money until 2014. Do you think they will still be around if this att-tmobile takeover happens. Think about it. Why put the iphone on tmobile if att is taking them. Once that happens its only a matter of time for sprint.

    But if apple waits to see if the buyout does not happen and see WHO else buys tmo. Well that could be a better story!

  • Neoprimal

    They haven’t killed TMobile in the several years they haven’t made an iPhone for the carrier so I don’t think it will happen now.

  • Matthew Thompson

    Folks I’m sorry to say this but T-Mobile is dying. This is not the reps fault, the customer’s fault, or the iPhones fault. It is the leadership of TMO and DT. Years of poor direction and neglected systems have created the hell we are in.
    I will miss TMO from the heyday and wish it would return, but know it will not. T-Mobile tried to be “everything thing to everyone”, but ended up with the poopy end of the stick.

  • Matthew Thompson

    Folks I’m sorry to say this but T-Mobile is dying. This is not the reps fault, the customer’s fault, or the iPhones fault. It is the leadership of TMO and DT. Years of poor direction and neglected systems have created the hell we are in.
    I will miss TMO from the heyday and wish it would return, but know it will not. T-Mobile tried to be “everything thing to everyone”, but ended up with the poopy end of the stick.

  • Matthew Thompson

    Folks I’m sorry to say this but T-Mobile is dying. This is not the reps fault, the customer’s fault, or the iPhones fault. It is the leadership of TMO and DT. Years of poor direction and neglected systems have created the hell we are in.
    I will miss TMO from the heyday and wish it would return, but know it will not. T-Mobile tried to be “everything thing to everyone”, but ended up with the poopy end of the stick.

  • Bluemoon737

    Or maybe they are the only one’s with the brass tacks to tell Apple they won’t give in to their extortion. Have you seen the deal (or is that highway robbery) Sprint had to agree to??? What a rip off and there is NO WAY DT was going to allow that sort of investment and I for one don’t blame them. I know you don’t like to hear this David, but I HATE everything Apple and the way that company conducts itself. I just fail to see how folks just bow down to Apple as if their products are flawless.

  • 310Sue

    Folks, Apple is just upset that Samsung products are giving them a run for their money since they are trying to stop the Galaxy Tab from being sold in so many countries around the world.
    I do not want to support a company does not want to play fair. Go Android and T-mobile.

  • Anonymous

    In my Opinion I feel it was the right move for T-mobile to not get the Iphone 4S cuz its the same, I mean we’ve seen the Iphone 4 so if T-mobile is going to get the Iphone let it be something customers haven’t seen yet. and today announcement was a BIG FAIL Apple. I know forsure we’ll see the Iphone 5 on T-mobile. Guarantee!!!!! 

  • Benfiltness

    Waiting for someone to put a TMO card in it. The launch was confusing about what this will “run on”. As stated below, they are saying it can do 2100MHZ HSDPA.

    • zps

      right? that is what i am wondering.  if it runs tmo 3g, i may buy a new one off contract.

  • Rdotson

    This iPhone 4s is crappy…. Galaxy s2 and amaze 4g blow this measly upgrade in the water. Sprint made a huge mistake. Their Galaxy s2 may prove to impact/slow time sales of the iPhone. This in turn will destroy Sprint and then Verizon will buy them leaving a Duopoly … More reason to block the Att merger…. Crazy.

  • Rob

    “Chances are, that didn’t happen (they will still dominate the market, just without T-Mobile).”

    25% market share is not dominating. Everyone I know has bought and iPhone and realize it is not that special after the initial magic wears offs. iPhones have the same freezing, restarting and other issues that other phones have had. Even with the phone being introduced to Verizon it’s market share didn’t double or make a huge jump and Verizon is the largest carrier in the country.

    Sprint isn’t going to make that big of a difference especially with the phone lacking 4g. Sprints 4g is like At&t and tmobiles 3g. Their 3g network is basically the edge on the GSM carriers network. 4g users may initially opt for the iPhone but then opt out as they see how slow it is with data. 

    It isn’t and would never be t-mobiles savior. It would help the bottom line, and honestly for data t-mobiles network would be what iPhone users are looking for fast more lightly used that At&t and much more affordable. 

    But in reality the iPhone isn’t that special. It’s a good device but the android options are better for the same price.

  • I am gonna put my 2cents in here..I do agree with article above it would be nice if Apple played fair & made this iphone 4s available on T-mobile as well. But on the flip side why would Apple negotiate with T-Mobile when T-mobile has made it abundantly clear that they don’t want to put anymore money in their infrastructure. IMO I think Apple believe T-mobile will be acquired by AT&T or another company

  • Tito!

    this actually might be good for T-Mobile.. 

    I’m kinda glad I came back to instincts, and found out this didn’t happen.

    Let’s put it this way.
    Over at Phonedog, some editor had written that Apple has thinned themselves short
    by litigating far too much in court, and it could soon catch up to bite them in that ass.This is that exact habit he was talking. by alienating from T-Mobile.we get to single ourselves out, as the one without the iPhone.maybe all other carriers will get network backhaul issues similar to as we have seen on AT&T.[Really though, that was just AT&T being sucky AT&T. toot my horn louder than I can hear kind of behavior]If so. Than, the iPhone could be seen as the plague.& maybe they’ll come to us! (c’mon, sans denied merger)Android is great! T-Mobile may be doing an actual smart move.by pushing Android. Hell, T-Mobile did not one stupid thing since colloborative launch of Android with Google. (other than the hell that has breaked loose under Philip Humm)Hence, Apple may have set themselves in their last bear/mouse trap, like so with their reckless behavior they have had lately.If so, I laugh. Apple is just a brand. the only reason people buy is it for the brand. it’s fucking overpriced luxury. nothing impressive about their specs in the mac “laptops” (forgive me Steve Jobs, you like to make your products have unique pet names)the only great are their iMacs, and sometimes not even that. it’s fucking fraud. a trend.

    Anyway, for that I feel bad for Tim Cook..Steve Jobs left him there to do.he well knew his dream and life is over..iPhone is dead.Android is well alive. :D

  • Guest

    I truly believe that the iPhone isn’t on T-Mobile because DT doesn’t want it to be. As much as many of us hate it, T-Mobile is dying and DT were lucky to get the offer they got from AT&T. We may have just found out about the merger but I’m sure that they were working on it behind closed doors for a while. From a shareholders point of view, DT looks like they’re geniuses for getting such a great deal for T-Mobile. Now a lot of ppl are upset about them not getting the iPhone and are talking about leaving, making the company look weaker and even more pitiful. Which I think helps them get the merger completed.

    • Guest

      You’re right. Lets say Tmobile got the iPhone and people start signing up then the merger is tougher to complete. With no iPhone, people are upset and wanna leave the company making it look like its dying therefore making the merger more likely to be a viable option. DT clearly wants out of the mobile business in the US and are willing to do what they have to do to do so.

  • Guest

    I truly believe that the iPhone isn’t on T-Mobile because DT doesn’t want it to be. As much as many of us hate it, T-Mobile is dying and DT were lucky to get the offer they got from AT&T. We may have just found out about the merger but I’m sure that they were working on it behind closed doors for a while. From a shareholders point of view, DT looks like they’re geniuses for getting such a great deal for T-Mobile. Now a lot of ppl are upset about them not getting the iPhone and are talking about leaving, making the company look weaker and even more pitiful. Which I think helps them get the merger completed.

  • Flacyclist

    DT has made it clear its wants out of the US. Lets face it, once our contracts are up its time to look elsewhere.

  • Flacyclist

    DT has made it clear its wants out of the US. Lets face it, once our contracts are up its time to look elsewhere.

  • michael

    I give up.  I’ve been with T-Mobile since 2004 and waited patiently.  Now I’m switching carriers.  Enough is enough.

    • Tito!

      you’re a pathetic loser.

      open your eyes, iPhone sucks..
      Haha!

    • Anonymous

      LOL

    • Seanmmvi

      i was going to say something, but its too easy…. 

    • Anonymous

      What’s so important to you about an iPhone?  I’m really curious.

    • Anonymous

      What’s so important to you about an iPhone?  I’m really curious.

    • mrmiddl

       yessss, Cricket FTW!!!

  • Moe

    Why would Apple care?  T-Mobile does not support traditional frequencies and Apple would have to tweak and test to make it compatible with every frequency + T-Mobile’s odd bands.  If T-Mobile had to shell out extra to make that happen, they should have been taking a bridge loan to do it.  By the time AT&T does acquire whatever is left of T-Mobile, they will have overpaid that $39 billion by a long shot.  Pure destruction of a good company and AT&T’s money is getting wasted – Peace out TMO, I am going Sprint.  Android is cute and sells some phones, but it won’t save you from your telecom suicide.

  • Ibcream

    Big picture……….TMobile has had the iPhone the same duration AT&T has had the phone….in there Europe and Asia and Germany division HELLO !!!!  did everyone forget that or was I the only phone Guru that remembered this. Second, the TMobile USA division obviously didnt get it because AT&T were still rival companies in the US and Apple didnt want this blood on there hand in the United States because too many questions would arise along with integrity of networks would come forth to the FCC. All the carriers were still having a Pissing contest at the network spectrum auctions. So in the end……wtf AT&T WILL acquire the TMO USA division and its not that complex at this stage of the network game to flip a switch and make them compatible with both 2100 and 1700 bands, and happy Euro and Asia and Gemany TMO will still sell the IPhone 3,4 and 5 gladly to there Euro partners like they always have since the birth of the IPhone…..wow Apple is not at all starving and neither is TMobile

  • Jays_on

    apples website in the unlocked iphone 4 section says;
    “The unlocked iPhone 4 or iPhone 4S will not work with CDMA-based carriers such as Verizon Wireless or Sprint.”
    So they are saying the 4S will be sold unlocked. Being a “world phone” there is still a change of it working on tmo’s hspa+? 

  • Jays_on

    apples website in the unlocked iphone 4 section says;
    “The unlocked iPhone 4 or iPhone 4S will not work with CDMA-based carriers such as Verizon Wireless or Sprint.”
    So they are saying the 4S will be sold unlocked. Being a “world phone” there is still a change of it working on tmo’s hspa+? 

  • hadit!

    I was leaving t-mobile anyways as their customer service has gone way downhill in last year and they charge $15 a meg. for data when roaming in europe. Each rep tells you a different story and I found out they added a two year contract to my account even when I pay for my phones in full and don’t sign a two year contract. 

    After spending hours with customer reps I call back later to find out it many things have not been fixed as promised. When ever I change my monthly packages they automatically kick my out of my grandfathered plan, then I have to call CS once again. Who needs this kind of treatment for being a long time customer.

  • Desperado_87

    over rated! who gives a duece about the stupid iPhone!? to me T-Mobile make more a deal out of th iphone than people who have AT&T. becasue iphone owners know it sucks. The big dilma Magenta is facing is why are we not stepping up in th Windows Phone devices!? Really the HTC Radar? Incredibly lame to jump into WP7.5 with this device while AT&T continues to show their dominance by aquisitioning the HTC Titan! People will soon realize that is why AT&T doesnt give a **** about the iPhone 5. They know they have a winner with the HTC Titan!

    • UralBas

      Agreed.. I wouldn’t own an iPhone, even if I got paid for it!.  Am not alone.

      Here take a look at this video.  An iPhone Tech Rep smashes his iPhone to use an LG Revolution.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMIbowTzzX8&feature=player_embedded

      Thats the Android Revolution!

    • Anonymous

      Look up:
      Apple or Google: Who makes the best mobile operating system?

      And you will see that Android 81% and IOs 19%.

      That sais it all.

      Apple is not relevant any more, it wont affect TMobile.

    • Anonymous

      Look up:
      Apple or Google: Who makes the best mobile operating system?

      And you will see that Android 81% and IOs 19%.

      That sais it all.

      Apple is not relevant any more, it wont affect TMobile.

  • ThinkBeforeYouSpeak

    This is pointless and a very skewed article. This should have been a balanced news article, instead it is care-news. t-mobile will be a winner out of this fiasco in the long run, they are not going to sacrifice 2 1/2 years of revenue for a phone that has hardware that is 8 month old technology. Iphone will sell to many of those who don’t pay attention to tech spacs and the ignorant, but a GS2 with a bigger better screen and better hardware will definitely take a lot of iphone customers. Sprint has gone all in and might loose big, t-mobile is making smart bets with great exclusive phones coming to their line up this month and in November. T-Mobile will survive this and even a fall out of the merger they are still profitable, reason why they have the money to spend remodeling stores and plan to do that to most stores in the upcoming months.

    • ThinkBeforeYouSpeak

      Scare-news** specs**

      • Wilma Flintstone

        Lol at the irony

        • ThinkBeforeYouSpeak

          Typos because of predictive text, not because of a lack of thought :)

        • Wilma Flintstone

          :)  Just out of curiosity, are you posting from a phone because that would explain it.

      • Wilma Flintstone

        Lol at the irony

  • macman37

    Although there are chipsets such as pentabands or those that will allow up to 10 or more frequency bands that are currently available, Apple still has no current status indicator if T-Mobile’s 1700AWS frequency band will still be around if there is no AT&T and T-Mobile merger or if it will be dissolved when AT&T is allowed  to use it to expand their possible future 4G LTE network.  We can therefore thank the Federal Communications Commission {FCC} for not saying earlier, “AT&T will not be permitted to acquire and use T-Mobile’s frequency bands for expanding their possible future 4G LTE network.”; the sooner the FCC rejects it, AT&T will have no point in pursuing a acquisition/merger.  With this decision, Apple can feel more confident in adding the 1700AWS frequency band knowing that it and T-Mobile will still be around; without this info, it’s a big loss on a gamble if AT&T is permitted to have their acquisition of T-Mobile.

  • Anonymous

    On topic now, Apple just killed IOs for mobile phones.  I did not kill T Mobile.

    The 4S is iDud.  It missed too many targets and failed to catch up, and definitely can’t overtake Android.

    Now that Steve is gone.  The hype is over and Apple will lose relevance like it once did in the past.

  • zazou1

    I really think the magic went away when Jobs stepped down.  The Iphone is popular because it does what it does well.  The OS is so simple that small kids and grandparents can operate it.  Android is a more powerful operating system, but can be confusing to some. 

  • Anonymous

    It’s all marketing folks….Apple markets well and T-mobile markets not at all….Again Apple could have sold a cardboard box and it would make a profit….T-mobile cannot even sell itself…..DT has written off Tmobile USA, why would apple let tmo sell it if they are going to be taken over by att? or some combination of att, and others?….I use T-mobile, loved the athome service and I worked at tmobile and looking at the comparison of DT and here is all about advertising/marketing and they just don’t cut it over here, never have and now, in my opinion, now it’s too late to even try…..

  • Gary

    This is the first time I don’t think people will flock to an Iphone, most apple fanboys seem disappointed. This seems to be a non issue, I don’t even think if it launched on t-mobile it would have been a big deal. had it been a dual core Iphone 5 then yes but this Iphone 4s seems like a non issue. 

    • Guest911

      Jeez Gary. You even check facts before yapping?

      • Gary

        yes I read all the Apple fans who are disappointed all over the net, including CBS news who did a story detailing how people were disappointed by a lack of Iphone 5. You are the same guy who says this Iphone 4s will be faster than the Galaxy s2 when all the benchmarks have proven you wrong. 

  • Anonymous

    Hey, is meteor crashing on United States or China comes ruling us?
    We (these who have no plan to get iWhatever) should be glad Apple isn’t invading here after reading how Sprint changed for iPhone.
    I’d see iPhone never comes here than we get $-raped!

  • Cotillion

    Really? The iPhone is a popular device but it doesn’t make or break carriers. Android is growing fast, what a lot of people (especially the author of this article) don’t seem to understand is a large chunk of iPhone sales come from people who already had iPhones moving up to a new iteration of the device. Android is still largely the most popular OS, and while we may be unable to pin that on to one powerhouse device, the fact is Android is a powerful platform. If T-Mobile can’t secure its own iPhone then they better get hungry and aggressive and start pushing Android like never before. Cling to it like the lifeline it is and make people want it with more determination now more than ever. 

    Not getting it doesn’t mean certain death, it just gives the competition more to work with. 

    • Guest911

      Name ONE Android device that someone from another carrier would switch to TMobile for. That is the problem you all seem to gloss over. There is no reason other than cheap rates to switch. An iPhones brings people in. If Android was all that, there would be no talk of killing Tmobile

      • Anonymous

        Cheap rates, and/or phone reception.  I can’t tell you how many folks in know with AT&T that havevunacceptably poor phone service in Los Angeles and the Bay Area.  I have yet to see anyone offer a specific reason for preferring an iPhone over an HTC Sensation.  While my understanding is that the iPhone is easier to use for those who are not tech savvy, my family members have had no problem using the Sense/Android interface for those functions that are important to them.

        • Guest911

          Exactly my point. Any Android phone of any network has a comparable phone on another (not same, but close). Pricing make a difference. But with great TMo pricing, we get poor reception comparatively. Why do all the ppl dropping calls on ATT still flock to it? For Android?

        • Anonymous

          You still don’t indicate why YOU prefer an iPhone.  I’m in L.A., and have found reception generally excellent, not quite as good as Verizon.  But, I also have UMA, which is a superior feature.  My monthly bill is about 60% of what Verizon customers with similar plans pay.  Maybe you like paying a great deal more for slightly better service.  Me, I prefer to have my house paid off, no credit card debt and enjoy traveling with family and friends.  Some people really need a BMW, others are happy with a Toyota.  Which are you?

        • Guest911

          Exactly my point. Any Android phone of any network has a comparable phone on another (not same, but close). Pricing make a difference. But with great TMo pricing, we get poor reception comparatively. Why do all the ppl dropping calls on ATT still flock to it? For Android?

      • Wilma Flintstone

        The Dream because its DREAMY!!!  O.O

        • Wilma Flintstone

          I would’ve said the Sensation because they want to feel what Tmobile is feeling but I thought that joke was a bit corny.  As if The Dream isn’t  LOL

        • Wilma Flintstone

          I would’ve said the Sensation because they want to feel what Tmobile is feeling but I thought that joke was a bit corny.  As if The Dream isn’t  LOL

        • Wilma Flintstone

          I would’ve said the Sensation because they want to feel what Tmobile is feeling but I thought that joke was a bit corny.  As if The Dream isn’t  LOL

      • Heather

        I switched from Verizon to T-Mobile because of the Sensation 4g and because based on different reviews I saw T-Mobile had the 2nd fastest 4g network (Verizon was 1st) and I didn’t want to continue to pay through the nose with Verizon even though I had been with them for at least 7 years  I absolutely do not regret that decision.  I average about 3mbs download with T-Mobile’s 4g network which was pretty much what I expected and I am paying only about $10 more a month for voice plan/data access vs no data access w/ Verizon.  I love my Sensation and thought of upgrading to the Samsung Galaxy S2 when it comes out but realized it does everything I want it to.   Now if AT&T does buy T-Mobile out we will likely jump ship when our contract expires. But I am extremely happy we switched.    And no, I didn’t want the iPhone because it couldn’t use 4g anyway @ Verizon.    

  • FormerTMORep

    T-Mobile is doing a pretty good job of killing T-Mobile. They don’t need any help from Apple.

    • I like this comment.

      • Wilma Flintstone

        Oh come now David, there is a “Like” button on your right.  You know that.

        • I know, I just wanted to say it.

        • Wilma Flintstone

          Lol, I see.  Sometimes it’s just necessary to do so.  But next time, try to make it more flashy or jazz it up a bit like “This Comment gets David’s Seal of Approval”.  Now that my good fellow, is expression of like-inism (Yeah I was about to use Admiration but I felt like Jazzing it up a bit by making a new word up).  You should try it.  It brings joy.  :D

    • ECE

      Very true.  Another sad day for tmobile

    • Brandon

      Yea I feel as though DT wants T-Mo to fail. I am a long time employee (8years) and have seen this company go down the drain in the last year! Marketing has become very shady, policies change on a daily basis and no one knows what is going on, etc. I am fortunate to have a job but I wish a decision would just be made so we can move on… People talk about how the merger will stiffle innovation, but I see T-Mobile stifling innovation by not carrying anything other than Android (and the 1 Win Mo phone doesnt count)!

    • Brandon

      Yea I feel as though DT wants T-Mo to fail. I am a long time employee (8years) and have seen this company go down the drain in the last year! Marketing has become very shady, policies change on a daily basis and no one knows what is going on, etc. I am fortunate to have a job but I wish a decision would just be made so we can move on… People talk about how the merger will stiffle innovation, but I see T-Mobile stifling innovation by not carrying anything other than Android (and the 1 Win Mo phone doesnt count)!

  • josue cifuentes

    i’m just waiting until google buys tmo….

    • Wilma Flintstone

      You’ll be waiting a LOOOONNNGGGG time then

  • josue cifuentes

    i’m just waiting until google buys tmo….

  • L.A Lately

    i’ve had a droid and honestly i’ve had nothing but problems with it. i’ve had to do a “master reset” more than once, and by doing that i lose all my apps. (not they they work anyway) the apps take forever to load and slow down my phone so much. How many times am I going to get the “force close” or “wait” options just to open up my browser?? i like tmobile, but i want the iphone because its definitely faster. not to mention, i would no longer need to carry both my droid, and my ipod. i’m going to sprint once the iphone is available before sprint changes to 2gb data plans also. 

    • Gary

      No…sorry the Iphone is not faster than the Sensation, G2x or Galaxy S2….not even close. 

      • Guest911

        Yes it is. But you can live in fairyland.

        • Seanmmvi

          lol did apple brain wash you for free or did you have to pay them to do it?

        • Guest911

          again – fairyland. hahahahaha

        • Guest911

          again – fairyland. hahahahaha

        • Guest199

          HQHAHHAHAHAHA @ a Dual core Cortex-A8 cortex phone (iphone… incase you have downs) clocked super low being faster than a dual core Cortex-A9 . You made my day :).

        • Guest199

          HQHAHHAHAHAHA @ a Dual core Cortex-A8 cortex phone (iphone… incase you have downs) clocked super low being faster than a dual core Cortex-A9 . You made my day :).

        • Wilma Flintstone

          Hey, there is NOTHING wrong with Fairyland.  >:( 
          Don’t you be dissin’ the “213”

        • Wilma Flintstone

          Hey, there is NOTHING wrong with Fairyland.  >:( 
          Don’t you be dissin’ the “213”

        • ColdFeet

          Is it faster? Or just smoother? I’d have to play with an iPhone 4 again but last time I did, I noticed that it was a lot smoother than my Sensation giving me the impression that it’s “faster” and not as “choppy”.

        • Guest911

          Understand. But if you actually care about benchmarks, the 4S is faster. I was responding to these “fans” who give all android fans a bad name. I have an android and like it but I am not so insecure that I have to put another OS down. The more they yell “android ftw” the more they sound…. childish.

        • Spartan

          I haven’t noticed a difference between my Sensation or my girlfriend’s iPhone 4. That could just me not caring or it could be me paying more attention to some of my Sensation’s Full HD videos.

        • ColdFeet

          Ain’t that the truth? It’s silly to see people get so worked up over a phreakin’ phone. You say you prefer or are considering an iPhone and they act like you just kidnapped their first born! Someone gets called a moron cause they have an iphone? Hahaha.

        • Dd

          The g2x was faster then the iphone 4 by a considerable ss amount on phonedog

        • Dd

          The g2x was faster then the iphone 4 by a considerable ss amount on phonedog

        • Maureewy

          The benchmarks show Android phones as faster by a considerable margin, google it

        • mrmiddl

          iphone is not faster than the other phones hardware wise. OS wise, maybe. but running the same OS for more than 4 years based on a platform (OSX) they perfected? shit better be polished. Android as a base is speedy, but then manufacturers add all of their crap on top of the code which slows down the experience. you can easily see this when you compare a rooted custom ROM phone with an unrooted version of the same.

        • Gary

          Actually in every benchmark done, the Galaxy S2 was much faster than the Ipad 2. proof: www dot godlike productions dot come slash forum forum1/message1664354/pg1  You clearly haven’t done your research

    • Seanmmvi

      the fact that you are too stupid to know how to use your phone isnt a flaw in the design of the phone…

      • ColdFeet

        What makes him “too stupid”? Please explain…

        • Spartan

          Maybe because he uses both an iPod and his Droid could take the place of an iPod when he decides to actually take advantage of his MicroSD card. He could probably buy any dual-processor phone in the T-Mobile catalog and be fine.

        • ColdFeet

          I’ve tried using my Sensation as a mp3 player and its not nearly as good as an iPod. Although, I must admit, I haven’t tried ALL the media players that are available in the Market. But I have tried 3. And those 3 have been let downs.

          Listen, I’m an Android phanboy just as much as anyone else but I just think its silly to call people names because they choose (or are considering) an iPhone over an Android phone.

    • RDL

      I don’t have any of those issues on my HD7 (with Mango).  Not saying you should switch, but you should check it out.  I haven’t had a force close since I got it, and its really smooth for browsing, pinch to zoom type stuff, picture taking, speech to text messaging (and it will read your messages to you as well).  I’d probably wait for the new wave of WP7 phones though to get the FFC if I were going to buy one now. 

      If you want the iPhone because you want the brand then go for it, if you want a feature rich smooth running phone. I played golf the other day with the GPS 2 1/2 rounds back to back 45 holes or about 12 hours with lunch) and still had more than a quarter of the battery left so they’ve done a lot of work on the battery life side as well. 

  • L.A Lately

    i’ve had a droid and honestly i’ve had nothing but problems with it. i’ve had to do a “master reset” more than once, and by doing that i lose all my apps. (not they they work anyway) the apps take forever to load and slow down my phone so much. How many times am I going to get the “force close” or “wait” options just to open up my browser?? i like tmobile, but i want the iphone because its definitely faster. not to mention, i would no longer need to carry both my droid, and my ipod. i’m going to sprint once the iphone is available before sprint changes to 2gb data plans also. 

  • titan

    This entire article is either hype or hysteria. Apple KILLED T-mobile? Puhhhhlease…..

  • Seanmmvi

    apple is with out a doubt the most retarded company i can think of…. and the people who buy their products are literally brain washed… i wish apple would take red clay bricks, put their logo on it and sell them, just to prove how retarded the people who consume their products are, because people would buy them!

    • ColdFeet

      Can you explain why someone wanting an iPhone makes them a moron? Why is choosing Android a “smarter” option?

      And an answer other than “if you’re too stupid to know then you deserve to have an iPhone” would be appreciated…

      • Agreed.

      • Smith

        My cousin pay a lot for having iPhone while he can pay less and get more and have better phones that iPhone. He is a symbol of Apple fanboy and when you talk to him you see how iSheep he is and you can’t have logical conversation with him.

        My brother move to Verizon (gave up hi unlimited plan with T-Mobile to get only 400min and lots of other restriction) for almost same price. And now have lots of issues because basically we can’t talk to him first because of minutes and second if his iPhone has signal and third if you start talking you have to call him 5 times to finish simple conversation because of drop calls. When he was with T-Mobile none of these issues exist.

        There you have it two of my closes relatives are like that. They are simply stupid and wasting their money. They pay more to get less!

        • ColdFeet

          That actually sounds like a service issue, not the iPhone.

          I have a Sensation on Tmobile and I drop calls quite often. Id gladly pay more money to have clear calls with Verizon. And my experience, in my town, is that Verizon has the best call quality. Or maybe my call quality and dropped calls are due to my Sensation. It’s possible. I had to borrow someone’s iPhone once when the other person couldn’t hear me well while using my Sensation. Win for an iPhone, loss for the Sensation.

          Or maybe it was just that I just wasn’t smart enough to know how to use my Sensation to make a call.

          Either way, the iPhone sounded better and my Android powered phone let me down.

      • Smith

        My cousin pay a lot for having iPhone while he can pay less and get more and have better phones that iPhone. He is a symbol of Apple fanboy and when you talk to him you see how iSheep he is and you can’t have logical conversation with him.

        My brother move to Verizon (gave up hi unlimited plan with T-Mobile to get only 400min and lots of other restriction) for almost same price. And now have lots of issues because basically we can’t talk to him first because of minutes and second if his iPhone has signal and third if you start talking you have to call him 5 times to finish simple conversation because of drop calls. When he was with T-Mobile none of these issues exist.

        There you have it two of my closes relatives are like that. They are simply stupid and wasting their money. They pay more to get less!

      • mrmiddl

        how about ” your too stupid NOT to read what you have written, and know that it doesn’t make sense (3.0)”

        • How about nobody calls the other person stupid else they get the banhammer. I’m literally tired of these ridiculous attempts to try and put the other person down because of conflicting views.

      • mrmiddl

        how about ” your too stupid NOT to read what you have written, and know that it doesn’t make sense (3.0)”

  • TMO_Fan

    i need quality in air, that shuts off att and sprint. i need 4G at reasonable price – Verizon and TMO both scores here. But being with TMO for > 2 years, i have not had a single reason to switch to Verizon. With HTC and Galaxy line flourishing, the future is bright imho.

  • T-Mobile USA is now the only carrier in the world that doesn’t offer the iPhone, great.

    • Wilma Flintstone

      What about aircraft Carriers?

    • Wilma Flintstone

      What about aircraft Carriers?

  • Jarrod

    I’m sad they don’t have the iPhone but here is a solution, the could buy iphones and sell them with a hotspot to get 4G speeds. There is a Mediterranean country that does that because they don’t have 3g but they have edge and Wimax. I royalty think that would be a good fix for now so they can at least try to gain customers.

  • DRO1D

    I believe that this has a lot to do with the merger, on both ends. TMobile wants the merger to go on through. I believe this move should make the merger look more reasonable to the govt. Once the merger goes through there will most definitely be an iPhone for the nations largest network period. Why put the money up now for something that will eventually happen if the merger goes through? If the merger fails, put the money up for the iPhone 5. Apple now doesn’t have to worry about creating a phone to run on TMobile, then wait a few months for it to be out-of-date, and create an iPhone 5 for AT&TMobile. This is a move to avoid an unnecessary expense, and the sacrifice is a slight delay in customer satisfaction. I hope the DevilPhone never comes to TMobile, because I’m Anrdroid through and through, but even I cannot deny its a moneymaker and essential to a successful netswork AT THIS TIME. Everyone thought Blackberry was the ultimate phone at one time, now look at it.

  • Seanmmvi

    As a sales representative for T-Mobile in a Corporate store, i am so relieved that we arent going to be getting the iphone, if we did get it, then i would have to deal with all the morons that walk in and say ” i want the iphone “

    • ColdFeet

      Nice way to represent. Am I supposed to feel bad that you’re (hopefully) going to be out of a job soon?

    • ColdFeet

      Nice way to represent. Am I supposed to feel bad that you’re (hopefully) going to be out of a job soon?

    • Anonymous

      You refer to new customers as morons?
      I hope you get fired soon

    • guest

      as another sales representative for t-mo in a corp store, what are u smoking for not wanting the Iphone w tmo? I guess you hate money and better comission checks? lol

    • Littlesis1774

      I must be tired or my eyes is playing tricks on me. I am not a sale rep or anything but would want customers to come say “I want the iphone”? Because it will be pretty hard for you to get paid if there are no customers

  • Seanmmvi

    As a sales representative for T-Mobile in a Corporate store, i am so relieved that we arent going to be getting the iphone, if we did get it, then i would have to deal with all the morons that walk in and say ” i want the iphone “

  • I Hate Apple

    Anyone who thought T-mobile would get the new IPhone, is really living in a fantasy world.
    T-mobile has always been behind the times, an deven today, as they launch their so called 4G network, advertising speeds you will Never see, they play the catch up game with high-end Android phones…all the while missing the mark.
    Wireless, is not about cheap plans, no one cares or ever has.. People Buy The Phones.
    T-mobile lost customers years ago, not having the original IPhone, not carrying N series Nokias, and they are still behind the times today.

    That is why they have a picture in their stores of people talking on tin cans with a string.

    • Miketevans78

      Ha! I think you are completely right. N series was awesome and T-Mobile is being lame. Sorry gotta go my tin can is ringing. Lol.

    • guest

      speed is speed bro. Yes verizons LTE beats tmobile hspa +. But compare T-mobiles hspa+ to Sprint wimax and atnt’s. see whos faster

  • I Hate Apple

    Anyone who thought T-mobile would get the new IPhone, is really living in a fantasy world.
    T-mobile has always been behind the times, an deven today, as they launch their so called 4G network, advertising speeds you will Never see, they play the catch up game with high-end Android phones…all the while missing the mark.
    Wireless, is not about cheap plans, no one cares or ever has.. People Buy The Phones.
    T-mobile lost customers years ago, not having the original IPhone, not carrying N series Nokias, and they are still behind the times today.

    That is why they have a picture in their stores of people talking on tin cans with a string.

  • Renzo

    I’M A 6YR TMO FAN, but it seems Tmo USA Management doesn’t want the iPhone, because they’re on AT&T payroll already. This is one more way to force the merger.

  • Oce

    Samsung GSII ftw!!!

  • Oce

    Samsung GSII ftw!!!

    • Wilma Flintstone

      Yeah until the Nexus Prime comes out, then it’ll be, “Nexus Prime FTW”!!!

  • I would be excited if the samsung galaxy S2 (T-Mobile version) didnt look so much like a girl phone. They should have kept the INTL version style.?

    • Anonymous

      They should have kept the exynos processor!

    • Anonymous

      Are you joking?
      Girl phone?
      LMAO

  • I would be excited if the samsung galaxy S2 (T-Mobile version) didnt look so much like a girl phone. They should have kept the INTL version style.?

  • Wilma Flintstone

    Love the Nail in the Coffin pic Andrew.  It really gives the article that nice Grim feeling.

  • Deff

    I don’t understand it, I thought you were a WP7 lover? In here you come off as the biggest iPhone fanboy in the history of the world.. did David hack your account? haha

    • I really think it’s high time to start clamping down on comments. I’m going to require approval for every comment soon.

      • Wilma Flintstone

        Not Mine!!!  You know I edit my comments myself thank you very much sir.

  • Wilma Flintstone

    One thing’s for certain, this news definitely has this article on fire with comments

  • Sebastiaan van den Berg

    I th

  • Sebastiaan van den Berg

    I believe T-Mobile did not make any mistakes they have some great devices (Samsung Galaxy S II) anyone? And c’mon the “NEW” iPhone 4 S is really nothing amazing…. The new thing? Dual Core.. and Siri.. Really? An advanced version of voicedialing with some extra features… Anybody use voicedialing? 

    T-Mobile didn’t get killed, maybe hurt but not killed.

  • Anonymous

    Andrew I don’t get why you say this is a win for us android users.
    I welcome the iPhone to tmobile. This allows for more choices.
    You realize this is only a cell phone?

  • Matt Rawlins

    No iPhone, no nexus prime, no thank you Tmobile.

    • Adamboyd83

      Why do people keep saying the nest Nexus wont be on Tmobile? JUst because it doesnt show up on a Roadmap for releases in the next month. Those roadmaps are for devices branded and sold by Tmobile. And I really doubt that Google would just drop support for a carrier that has literally been there supporting them since the start.

      Rumors are rumors for a reason. Today was a perfect example of that. Look at all the rumors for a brand new iPhone. Look what we got.

      • Littlesis1774

        Rumor is Verizon is getting first not T-mobile. Google might be jumping ship

  • Aleale

    so eventually sprint doesnt get exclusivity for the iphone 5 right?

    • Anonymous

      yeah it was all a bunch of inaccurate rumors from the gadget blogs.  They were wrong about most everything today.

      • No they weren’t, not about iPhone 4S details, they were almost spot on.

        • Anonymous

          the 4s is basically the iphone 4….it’s hard to even say that’s much of a rumor.

          the gadget blogs were pushing the iphone 5  very hard as something that will be announced today.

      • No they weren’t, not about iPhone 4S details, they were almost spot on.

    • Anonymous

      yeah it was all a bunch of inaccurate rumors from the gadget blogs.  They were wrong about most everything today.

    • Anonymous

      yeah it was all a bunch of inaccurate rumors from the gadget blogs.  They were wrong about most everything today.

  • David

    Apple can kill itself only and doesn’t have enough power to kill anyone else including T-Mobile.

    T-Mobile doesn’t need iPhone and I am glad this crap is not coming to T-Mobile.

    T-Mobile needs to get better WP 7.5 and BB devices to have all good OSes in their network.

    WP 7.5 and Android are both better than iOS. In version 5 actually Apple copied a lot from Microsoft Windows Phone and few Android features. Nothing new same boring old thing over and over.

    T-Mobile please offer more good phones like HTC Titan, Nokia Ace, Samsung Focus S and etc. All these are going to AT&T save yourself with offering more great phones.

    • Yet another comment that doesn’t recognize the notion that your wireless needs and feelings aren’t shared by the community.

      • Smith

        Yet another comment that doesn’t recognize the notion that your love for iPhone and feelings aren’t shared by the community.

    • Yet another comment that doesn’t recognize the notion that your wireless needs and feelings aren’t shared by the community.

  • Dude33

    Rumors are that Sprint commited 20 billion dollars for 4 years to get Apple to build them one. The total pricetag for T-Mobile is 39 billion dollars. T-Mobile just can not afford to meet Apple’s high demands

  • Dude33

    Rumors are that Sprint commited 20 billion dollars for 4 years to get Apple to build them one. The total pricetag for T-Mobile is 39 billion dollars. T-Mobile just can not afford to meet Apple’s high demands

  • Anonymous

    It’s pretty obvious that T-mobile couldn’t afford the iphone.  Hardly a mistake when you have to risk billions of dollars on one single product at the smallest national carrier. 

    At least you guys still have your great customer service and low pricing.  Sometimes you just can’t have everything.

  • Craig4life20089

    Apple didn’t kill t-mobile. T-mobile killed themselves. Im an android man and can’t wait to see what google brings to the table next week. Anyone hungry for some ice cream?

  • Davesweeps

    Boo. I’m glad they aren’t getting it and I hope TMobile doesn’t merge and prospers. And it can! Bowing to Apple and mortgaging the farm just to have their now staid devices is not the way to go, IMO 

  • Mchap87

    Can the new iPhone be broken? If so, would it be faster than the iphone4g?

  • Dpro

    Ok I am going to lay it out here like it is. Android fan boy haters will just speak negative about Apple and the Iphone just because. Not with Logic most of the time.
    I have used both operating systems, while Android is nice its just not as smooth as IOS period.  I have and use and an Android Phone by the way.
    Though lets get down to the nitty gritty here, fact is this Apple did not kill T Mobile, DT is killing T Mobile . People want to get pissed at T Mobile people want to try and blame Apple. Wake the hell up and smell the damn coffee. T Mobile obviously opted out of even talking to Apple about a possible Iphone for them because they were so intent on the whole sale of T Mobile to AT&T . Why bother? It would be added expenses for what they consider to already be a write off on their balance sheets. They are not going to dump more money into what they consider a losing proposition. Spring got the Iphone because Spring agreed to a purchase of certain amount of handsets from Apple over the course of 3 years. No exclusivity just a purchase order contract. T Mobile  because of DT was not going to go there.
    Of course T Mobile has some new Android handsets. Android handset manufacturers are willing to practically give their phones away to ensure sales. Apple is still at this point the #1 handset seller in the  world. The Number #1 Smartphone operating system maker in the World. Before you go screaming about these facts and they are facts realize that yes Android has made great strides but as it sits right now Apple has 43% of Operating system pie vs androids 33%.
    Sure rant and rave about how Android is going to take over. Fact is it does not matter if Android winds up equal it will not diminish the percentages Apple has it will just take away from Rim and WP7.
    So Apple does not need to give their handsets away to get business.

    This is basically a marketing mistake on T Mobiles part and pretty much is the nail in the coffin but DT is the one holding the hammer not Apple.

    • Dpro

      excuse a few of my typo’s I was typing quickly. When I said Spring of course I meant Sprint. LOL
       oh and a few extra and’s wound up in there.

  • Dpro

    Ok I am going to lay it out here like it is. Android fan boy haters will just speak negative about Apple and the Iphone just because. Not with Logic most of the time.
    I have used both operating systems, while Android is nice its just not as smooth as IOS period.  I have and use and an Android Phone by the way.
    Though lets get down to the nitty gritty here, fact is this Apple did not kill T Mobile, DT is killing T Mobile . People want to get pissed at T Mobile people want to try and blame Apple. Wake the hell up and smell the damn coffee. T Mobile obviously opted out of even talking to Apple about a possible Iphone for them because they were so intent on the whole sale of T Mobile to AT&T . Why bother? It would be added expenses for what they consider to already be a write off on their balance sheets. They are not going to dump more money into what they consider a losing proposition. Spring got the Iphone because Spring agreed to a purchase of certain amount of handsets from Apple over the course of 3 years. No exclusivity just a purchase order contract. T Mobile  because of DT was not going to go there.
    Of course T Mobile has some new Android handsets. Android handset manufacturers are willing to practically give their phones away to ensure sales. Apple is still at this point the #1 handset seller in the  world. The Number #1 Smartphone operating system maker in the World. Before you go screaming about these facts and they are facts realize that yes Android has made great strides but as it sits right now Apple has 43% of Operating system pie vs androids 33%.
    Sure rant and rave about how Android is going to take over. Fact is it does not matter if Android winds up equal it will not diminish the percentages Apple has it will just take away from Rim and WP7.
    So Apple does not need to give their handsets away to get business.

    This is basically a marketing mistake on T Mobiles part and pretty much is the nail in the coffin but DT is the one holding the hammer not Apple.

  • I’ve had T-Mo since ’05 & I love ’em BUT w/ no iPhone yet… I’m really debating moving to AT&T. I absolutely hate AT&T BUT at least I can use data/voice simultaneously un-like those two other companies… Ugh! :/

    • Guest

      Don’t do it. At&t is the worst. Go to Sprint or Verizon. 

  • Celloboy

    No matter how we feel about T-Mobile they’re not gonna last much longer. They’re either gonna merge with AT&T or another company, or maybe just close down. Its sad but on Saturday afternoon I went into a T-Mobile store and it was just me and the 3 employees. Just a few months ago you could walk into the same store on any day and it would always have customers in there and you would have to wait to speak to someone. 

  • George

    I’m definitely disappointed but I also got a chance to test out the Amaze at a T-Mobile store today.  Someone made a great point about T-Mobile’s unbeatable pricing and that you can’t have it all.  It comes down to the Amaze versus the G2x for me.  I’m not sure the Amaze can offer me much more tangible functionality than the G2x so it’ll depend on how cheap I can find a new G2x for.  I guess I’ll be auditioning Android for the year and we’ll do this dance again in a year when the next iPhone is announced.

    • George

      …although it is nice to know the Nexus announcement will be made before the Amaze becomes available.

    • Durandal_1707

      DEFINITELY go with the Amaze, SGSII, or anything but the G2x. The G2x is a complete piece of junk. Really regretting my purchase.

  • mrmiddl

    iphone4s sucks compared to most new phones out now. better than iphone4 of course. but i think a good working G2x would kill it. will do a test as soon as my friend (idiot) gets his.

  • mrmiddl

    iphone4s sucks compared to most new phones out now. better than iphone4 of course. but i think a good working G2x would kill it. will do a test as soon as my friend (idiot) gets his.

    • Awesome, I love when people call iPhone owners idiots. So mature!

      • JT

        I guess you missed the post where someone called someone else an android loser

        • Wilma Flintstone

          that’s less insulting than blatantly calling someone an idiot.

        • JT

          I think one is just as bad as another.  They are just phone’s for GOD’s sake.  Aren’t we all supposed to be adults here and respect one another’s opinion.  I read these forums to learn things, but lately it seems that it is about who has the bigger sandbox.  I think DT will decide what is best for themselves and their company and their investors and at the end of the day it is their decision.  If someone wants an iphone great.  I hope you enjoy your purchase and the same goes for any other brand.  If T-mobile doesn;t have what you want why gripe go find another carrier that does.  This is America the land of the FREE……………………….

        • Wilma Flintstone

          I agree.  People get sooo upset because they don’t want another company to prosper.  Especially when its a direct competitor.  They resort to childish tactics like name calling and insulting all due to fear of competition.  It happens almost everytime an article regarding a new iPhone release.  That’s why most of my comments in here are comical.  This whole arguing over cell phones thing is very childish.  I’m not an iphone supporter btw but I do know that that device does have a huge following.

        • While that’s something I would have commented on as well, that’s not as bad as calling someone an idiot directly. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

      • JT

        I guess you missed the post where someone called someone else an android loser

    • Guest911

      Not really….but its ok to call people idiots and only focus on benchmark tests. I mean all the g2x complaints were because of tests right? Just like I only buy a car based on max speed – dont care about overall performance at all.

    • Guest911

      Not really….but its ok to call people idiots and only focus on benchmark tests. I mean all the g2x complaints were because of tests right? Just like I only buy a car based on max speed – dont care about overall performance at all.

    • Dpro

      Wow you always call your friends, idiots? Real sense of respect and friendship there. Mature you are. Oh and your friend does not have an Iphone 4S as it was announced today its not out yet.
      Oh and in response to the person talking about how they can watch video’s on their Android that Iphone users can’t? I do not see or here of any Iphone users complaining about not being to watch particular videos.
      If an Iphone does not work for you great. It does work for a lot of people. Seriously I think Android fans need to just dial it back some.

      Your phones satisfy you great. It does not make it better it just makes it different. Apple would not be selling so many Iphone’s if they did not work and work well.

      Some people just don’t want to geek out on their phone rooting it and overclocking the processor and putting custom roms on them. They just want a phone they can buy and it works and works right from the get go.
      This is something Apple manages to do better than even Android. Sorry guys its a fact and this is coming from an Android user.
      I am not fooling myself Android has some great points but its not as smooth. Its not as easy.

  • mrmiddl

    iphone4s sucks compared to most new phones out now. better than iphone4 of course. but i think a good working G2x would kill it. will do a test as soon as my friend (idiot) gets his.

  • Tmo4life, 1 year to live

    Yes, Iphone don’t freeze up like androids. Iphone isn’t hard to learn how to do everything. But I can watch videos that you can’t on iphone. Smartphones are mini computers, and if my computer can’t show all the videos that I want to watch, I would return it.

    • Idontgiveafudge

      Android is easy to use, maybe idiots like you have a hard time :)

  • Guest

    T-Mobile you do not own Android and Android does not own you. Be in the business of providing the best quality phones, network, and service. I want an iPhone, but I think I may want a “Nexus Prime” more, as long as the specs are real. iPhone specs do not always need to match up to Android phones. Just like the Macs, the specs are not always apples to apples but I find they still perform better. Not just in the short term, but in the long term. 

  • David Coucheron

    Actually I think Tmobile is being smart here. remember how the ceo said “there will be no iphone 5 this year?” If they play this right, it would mean if ATT merger does not go through, they use the cash they get from the deal NOT going through to buy themselves into the iPhone 5 next spring and skip the iPhone 4s alltogether which is really not a big deal. most people are disappointed by it anyway.

    • N7mcc

      I think you got it in one……

      • David Coucheron

        October is later than june. March is later than June. I am pretty certain Apple is going to release iPhone 5 in the first half of 2012.

    • Bear06

      Next spring? Every new iphone has been released June or later you idiot.

      • Do not call someone an “idiot.” Please.

  • Guest

    I’ve been with T-Mobile since 2003 and I’m honestly getting fed up with them. Not because of the iPhone but because it feels like they aren’t trying. Everyone talks about T-Mobile having the Galaxy 2, Blackberry Bold 9900 and so on. But its only a matter of time before the other carriers get the Bold, and they already have the Galaxy 2. Yeah we have the Sensation which is an awesome phone and the mytouch but it really doesn’t compare to the exclusives that the other carriers have. Verizon has the Thunderbolt and Droids. AT&T had the iPhone for the longest time. Sprint has the Evos. T-Mobile needs to get some exclusive phones that are great and really market them. The Sensation is a great phone but T-Mobile didn’t advertise it at all. If it wasn’t for HTC making ads about it, it would’ve went completely unnoticed to the masses. And having a girl in a pink dress with a white background saying switch to T-Mobile or here is our newest phone isn’t really helping them out. Get innovative like Verizon and Sprint. Really push your products and maybe customers will show up.

  • Devin

    talk about shooting you self in the foot twice 
    1st. by not getting the Iphone the 1st time it was offered to you guys way before no one even knew what an iphone was

    2nd. for not getting it this year when apple seems to just be giving out eys phone to any company that say i wont one to.

    come on T-mobile 

  • Cameron W3st

    everyone everyone…calm down with all the Apple bashing and who copied who…simple truth is this…Android wouldn’t even EXIST if Apple hadn’t gone and introduced us to the iPhone…say what you will, but that’s the truth…

    AND…look at all your precious Android phone form factors…The G2X, Sensation, even your beloved SamSUCK Galaxy 2…looks EXACTLY like an iPhone…

    I don’t have an iPhone now…and never have…been with Tmobile since 04…but come on…most of you people argue over such ignorant points…get your facts straight. 

    • souggie

      And Apple wouldn’t exist, if they didn’t get their ideas from Palm and Microsoft who set the template YEARS ago, all Apple did was follow through on someone else’s tech, all manufacturers do it, the iPhone4s now has some features native to android, but you don’t see Google bitching and suing….get these facts straight, there will always be better on the horizon, there is nothing that ios had that android can’t do the same or better……deal with the shock

      • souggie

        And how do you know android wouldn’t exist without apple? Android dropped let’s than a year after the first iPhone dropped…..really? Cmon man….

        • souggie

          Less than

      • souggie

        Some day there will be something even better than ios and android, so it doesn’t matter

    • Strayelectron

      Actually, Windows Mobile was around before Apple and Android. I was downloading apps from Handmark long before the iTunes App store appeared.  Imagine what the smartphone industry would have been had Microsoft not blown their early advantage…

    • Strayelectron

      Actually, Windows Mobile was around before Apple and Android. I was downloading apps from Handmark long before the iTunes App store appeared.  Imagine what the smartphone industry would have been had Microsoft not blown their early advantage…

  • 134

     FWIW the iphone 4s announcement was a bit underwhelming – which should be expected given it wasn’t iphone 5. 

    I couldn’t care less about the iphone though in fact, I want it to do well so we TMO gives me some nice deals on GS II

  • TMoFan

    It’s really too bad because a T-Mobile iPhone with T-Mobile’s rates would annihilate the competition. Anything that will help T-Mobile is not being pursued because DT is so damned determined to get the sellout through. With all their might they could have brought the iPhone to the US but now T-Mobile is the only national carrier without it. DT has been an utter failure.

    Mind you I’m not an iPhone fanboy but I just think it’s crazy not to offer it.

  • Whoopla

    may be t-mobile isn’t interested in attracting customers any more… who knows…

    • Anonymous

      why you think the iphone is the only way to attract customers…who knows….

  • Guest

    TMobile is not dead and is not going away anytime soon just because it doesn’t have an iPhone.  It’s just another overreaction to bitter people who want everything.  Well I have a news for you: if you wanted an iPhone you should have moved on by now – stop whining and just switch to another carrier if you want it that badly.  Even if you were in a contract you were given more than sufficient time to get out.  TMo never said they were getting an iPhone or they never purposely led you to believe so. 

  • the SAMSUNG SGS2 Hercules will be the savior of Tmobile, next to that 4S the Hercules holds true to its name

    • Jesus even that LG Thrill would kill the iPhone 4S with 3D disregarding the fact LG did horrible botch jobs on the G2X and Thrill

      • Littlesis1774

        In apple defense they never said or mention iphone 5 now looking back it. They mention iphone 4s

      • Littlesis1774

        In apple defense they never said or mention iphone 5 now looking back it. They mention iphone 4s

        • can you imagine how much the 5 would cost with the 4S prices now?

      • Bryan

        Who gives a shit about 3D on a phone?

    • Jesus even that LG Thrill would kill the iPhone 4S with 3D disregarding the fact LG did horrible botch jobs on the G2X and Thrill

  • the SAMSUNG SGS2 Hercules will be the savior of Tmobile, next to that 4S the Hercules holds true to its name

  • Tito

    Not like it really matters, over 10 percent of t-mobile customers have iPhones… which shows loyalty to magenta… after all, we do have the best prices and best customer service… reason why those customers rather go to Sprint or Verizon if the acquisition does go thru…. at least that’s what my customers tell me… that’s why they came to us in the first place…

  • Tito

    Not like it really matters, over 10 percent of t-mobile customers have iPhones… which shows loyalty to magenta… after all, we do have the best prices and best customer service… reason why those customers rather go to Sprint or Verizon if the acquisition does go thru…. at least that’s what my customers tell me… that’s why they came to us in the first place…

  • Tortionist

    Good article Andrew, between you and David. I’ve always looked forward to reading your articles. On a side note, like you said in your article, the I-phone can’t save T-mobile, but it is a big mistake for T-mobile to not pick it up. It could help T-mobile out a bit. So far from what i’ve seen and read, t-mobile has made two huge mistakes that’s actually hurting them. The first is their lack of any real kind of marketing and the second is not picking up the I-phone. Both would do wonders for T-mobile. there’s other factors, but they’re not nearly as big or important as these two. As far as which OS is the best..there is no best…Who cares, it boils down to one word…. preference. Some people prefer simple and easy to use, others prefer total customization , and yet others prefer somewhere in the middle like windows mobile or Blackberry. Anyone who says this OS is the best or that OS is the best is just trying to sell a personal opinion. I’ve messed with all of the smartphone OS’s out there now (with the exception of Symbian) and they all have their strengths and weaknesses or pros and cons. So, it really is a matter of preference.

  • Maybe T-Mobile is doing a “Verizon” and skipping ahead to the iPhone 5. Could be that they figured this version wouldn’t be that big of a deal. I mean, they did say that they are not getting the iPhone this year. I think it’s a bad gamble to wait considering all of the jumpers. At this rate, ATT will end up with what they want–spectrum, infrastructure and very few customers.

    • Littlesis1774

      the bigger question will T-mobile make it until iphone 5 is out

  • HM

    The argument in this article is not valid. There is an
    article in Wall Street Journal that points out that Sprint essentially bet or
    gambled its future on Iphone. Apple made contract with Sprint that Sprint will
    buy around 30 million units of Iphone over the 4 years irrespective of they are
    able to sell them on not. The cost is 20 billion Dollars, and Sprint is
    expected to have a loss on each IPhone sold at least till 2014.. Sprint already
    have weak balance sheet. On contrary Android phones are extremely profitable.
    Today’s 4S version has not made any big splash and Android is getting stronger
    day by day. Only the time will tell if Sprint made a wise move or not, but
    profitability is the reason why everyone is in the business in the first place.

    • Anonymous

      not to mention that Apple saw immediate stock decreases over disappointment. It was like “Hey look we made this iphone 4s, the next magical phone” and wall street said “Uh…really….thats what we have waited over a year for? Can you at least put glitter on it or something?”

    • Anonymous

      not to mention that Apple saw immediate stock decreases over disappointment. It was like “Hey look we made this iphone 4s, the next magical phone” and wall street said “Uh…really….thats what we have waited over a year for? Can you at least put glitter on it or something?”

      • trife

        Clearly, you know nothing about the market.  And you definitely haven’t watched it every time a new big Apple product is released. Just sayin’.  

        • Anonymous

          actually I have been a part of the stock market game for years now. Not to mention most of the reporting on the stock of apple has been focused around the uneasy perspectives of investors because apple has taken so long to come out with a new phone, and when they do its nothing but a slightly change, and was kinda of a slap in the face. It seemed more like apple was just sticking something out there to keep the price point high enough to make a profit and keep the sheep in line. Too much longer and iphone users risk getting to their upgrade options and may choose an android or windows or other phone. 

          Not to mention that in most cases apple should have recovered fully from the drop as well as gained a little, but as of this typing apple has shown losses still from when the market opened today, whereas tech and other areas of the market are showing significantly better numbers. Heck, even netflix showed improvement today of some noticeable degree hehe…..

        • trife

          LOL.  Get back to me when their stock goes even higher than it was prior to it dropping today.  It will happen.  Guaranteed. 
            

        • Anonymous

          yea, im sure it will, but still hasn’t and while apple may get a small increase over the next month, it ultimately has not and will not play out like prior years. If you review the stock history apple tends to have low stock near the end of the years and higher stock in the middle of the year around announcement and releases. However, this year is different. The iPad 2 had a jump, and since then its been in decline. Its like watching Apple is in a war with android and is running out of bullets and in a last ditch effort decided to throw the gun because it wouldnt shoot anymore without ammunition. The apple is rotting, and while you can go enjoy it and have fun with your outdated tech, ill keep my similarly outdated tech to the nostalgia of playing Legend of Zelda on my android N64 emulator

        • Anonymous

          yea, im sure it will, but still hasn’t and while apple may get a small increase over the next month, it ultimately has not and will not play out like prior years. If you review the stock history apple tends to have low stock near the end of the years and higher stock in the middle of the year around announcement and releases. However, this year is different. The iPad 2 had a jump, and since then its been in decline. Its like watching Apple is in a war with android and is running out of bullets and in a last ditch effort decided to throw the gun because it wouldnt shoot anymore without ammunition. The apple is rotting, and while you can go enjoy it and have fun with your outdated tech, ill keep my similarly outdated tech to the nostalgia of playing Legend of Zelda on my android N64 emulator

  • Rgods

    screw that piece of crap iphone, windows mango all the way.

  • Pollux1996

    Just an fyi….1st q of 2012 + iphone = t-mobile
    And that is from good source…

    • Anonymous

      yeah, and how many “good sources” have been saying tmo is getting the iphone over last few years?

      • Anonymous

        lol, i know

        all the good sources said we’d have an iphone 5 today and some special sources even said Sprint would get it exclusive.

    • sidekicker89

      who is your source?

    • InsideSource

      my source is upper level execs confirming iPhone 5 for 1st qtr 2012…I confirm Pollux1996s post…

      • Were they specific enough to say iPhone 5? or 4S?
        Why would Apple come out with a 4S only to reveal a 5 less then 6 months later?

  • Anonymous

    Well T-Mobile just lost 2 customers…Screw this, I’m going to SPRINT. This is like their 3G rollout all over again :/

    • Jon Barros

      im sure they’ll miss you

  • Andres Garcia

    Not with a lame duck-phone such as the iPhone 4S, no comparison with the Samsung’s Galaxy S2 variants. Wasted opportunity for Apple!!!!

  • Andres Garcia

    Not with a lame duck-phone such as the iPhone 4S, no comparison with the Samsung’s Galaxy S2 variants. Wasted opportunity for Apple!!!!

  • CJ

    I think T-mobile will be just fine without the Iphone. It has great
    phones, I just wish they would offer more WP7 phones from Samsung, LG
    etc. I am getting really annoyed by this Iphone hype. It is like the Yankees always winning cant they have one bad season.

  • Chrisangel13

    Because it was T-Mobile who released the first Android device, Steve Jobs swore revenge and plotted T-Mobile’s slow and painful demise…

    • hoot-hoot

      lame excuse! tmobile has the iPhone but not in the usa. 

  • Anonymous

    one thing people forget to consider is that Apple gets kickback from carriers on data plans and other little extras. With TMO being lower in cost, the kickback is not as much as the overcharging from sprint, att, and vzw….which means less incentive for Apple, and we all know the Apple cares more about pofits than absolutely anything else, even going so far as to use unethical business practices against the apple fanboy. Its like a celebrity having a fan willing to take a bullet for them and when they do the celebrity just pees on them cause it was too much work to walk to the bathroom. 

  • sidekicker89

    .. I know we are blaming T-Mobile a lot but Apple is at fault too, they didn’t just screw over T-Mobile but they screwed other networks around the world that use AWS band for their 3G networks right??? Plus i doubt T-mobile has the capitol to bribe Apple anyway… anyways I’m staying on T-Mobile.. believe it or not you don’t need a smartphone to live your life, remember when people used cell phones to call people? and the only thing they cared about was good voice coverage? the good days..

  • kenshiro

    All this doom and gloom over a f***ing iPhone is beyond retarded. It was Apple stock that went down today, not T-Mobile. Who hired this guy to write for a T-Mobile website? Must be hardcore Apple fanboy to be doing all this instigating over nothing.

    • Did you actually read the post? I think you missed the point entirely.

      • kenshiro

        Yes, David. I read the post. I think you all give Apple way too much credit, which is exactly the reason why their devices are so successful despite being inferior in almost every way. All it takes is one person to say “omg, have you tried the iphone” or likewise “omg did apple just kill t-mobile” to plant a seed in the minds of thousands and possible millions. iPhone isn’t successful because their product is just better, they are successful because generally people are stupid enough to believe that they are.

        • Device inferiority is a matter of personal opinion and not fact. The smug attitude adopted by Android fanboys in this thread overlooks the notion that the iPhone is a desirable device for millions of US wireless consumers. Not having it is a problem for T-Mobile because I don’t remember the last time customers left in droves to sign up for T-Mobile for any Android, Windows Phone 7 or Blackberry device.

        • Jon Barros

          this by far the dumbest post ever written. t-mobile never had an iphone so if there were millions that were going to jump ship they would of done it for any other iphone. what makes this one special. the iphone is overhyped. everyone knows its going to sell millions but stop acting like its the end of the world. by the way im glad its not on tmobile since i dont want to deal with the plan price increase thats on its way to sprint.

        • Anonymous

          wow!!!  your justifications are so deep man!!!  so deep! i’m truly touched.

          You clearly don’t understand business and live in your sheltered world of small tech bubbles.  If it makes you feel better than don’t allow a deeper understanding of the world around you.  Your opinions are apparently tech gospel and how dare the rest  of the world operate successfully outside of them.  Someone better call the president because you are clearly upset.

        • Anonymous

          Why do you put up with such ignorance??  I’m serious, your post was honest, logical and well-rounded.  It was similar to an editorial imo.  I’m disappointed that so many of these people have the fortitude to verbally attack you because you have an open mind regardless of your position.  I don’t think any of these people have taken into consideration that this site may well be part of your financial well-being and that it takes courage to write something like that in your position.

          I hope you figure out a way to get some of the rude and dis-respectful people in check.

        • Wilma Flintstone

          The funny part is that almost ALL of them think David wrote the article when actually he didn’t.

        • Wilma Flintstone

          The funny part is that almost ALL of them think David wrote the article when actually he didn’t.

        • kenshiro

          That’s the problem right there, David. iPhone is desirable because Apple tells people iPhone is desirable. There is nothing the iPhone can do that an equally powerful android device can’t do and more and better. If android was marketed the way Apple markets the iPhone, with overly sentimental ad campaigns and glorified salesmen focusing on old features as if they were the pioneers of smartphones, Android phones would sell a lot more. Look at their latest ad for the 4S. They pitch the 8MP camera as if Apple invented the 8MP phone camera despite it pretty much being present on several high-end android devices for many months, and then go into detail about how they added an extra lens as if it was some profound scientific discovery. They manipulate the general public into believing they have created this one-of-a-kind device, just for them and they eat it up because most are ignorant. Remember what Agent K said to Agent J in Men in Black? “A person is smart, people are stupid” They believe what they want to believe despite the evidence all around them, because it’s easier that way, and Apple is an expert in mass mind-f***ing sales tactics.

        • kenshiro

          Also, labeling your article “did just kill t-mobile” is a stretch and may lead to some believing Apple did actually kill T-Mobile and then go to another carrier. It’s conjecture at best and bad publicity for T-Mobile, and I hope they catch you on it. T-Mobile is aware of the benefits from carrying iPhone, but going as far to say Apple just killed them on a popular T-Mobile website actually hurts T-Mobile more than if you were to focus on only the facts and leave out the speculation.

        • kenshiro

          Also, labeling your article “did just kill t-mobile” is a stretch and may lead to some believing Apple did actually kill T-Mobile and then go to another carrier. It’s conjecture at best and bad publicity for T-Mobile, and I hope they catch you on it. T-Mobile is aware of the benefits from carrying iPhone, but going as far to say Apple just killed them on a popular T-Mobile website actually hurts T-Mobile more than if you were to focus on only the facts and leave out the speculation.

        • Wilma Flintstone

          You SURE you read the post Kenshiro?  If you did, you’d notice that it wasn’t David that wrote the article.  It was ANDREW.

        • kenshiro

          Yes, I read the f***ing post. I know Andrew wrote the damn article, but David is running this website and has given his writers free reign to post such articles. He is just as much responsible for this article as Andrew.

        • I do believe an argument can be made that the lack of an iPhone is a viable reason to believe T-Mobile is finished. The inability of the company to put together a deal and be the only major wireless carrier out there without a ridiculously popular phone is a very bad sign.

        • Wilma Flintstone

          You SURE you read the post Kenshiro?  If you did, you’d notice that it wasn’t David that wrote the article.  It was ANDREW.

      • kenshiro

        Yes, David. I read the post. I think you all give Apple way too much credit, which is exactly the reason why their devices are so successful despite being inferior in almost every way. All it takes is one person to say “omg, have you tried the iphone” or likewise “omg did apple just kill t-mobile” to plant a seed in the minds of thousands and possible millions. iPhone isn’t successful because their product is just better, they are successful because generally people are stupid enough to believe that they are.

    • Apple’s stock goes down after almost every keynote for a new product….then resumes it’s upward ascent in the days after.  It’s just the way it works.  Taking any encouragement in that is ignorant.

    • Apple’s stock goes down after almost every keynote for a new product….then resumes it’s upward ascent in the days after.  It’s just the way it works.  Taking any encouragement in that is ignorant.

  • trife

    To sit here and say that the iPhone is crap is hilarious.  To sit here and say that T-Mobile will be just fine without the iPhone is equally hilarious.  

    What a lot of you don’t seem to grasp is that while you have loyalty to our carrier, they ultimately don’t have loyalty to you.  Same goes for Google and Apple.  Last time I checked, all of the above are BUSINESSES in the business of making money.  So while you sit here cheering that T-Mobile is now the only carrier out of the Big 4 to NOT carry the oh-so-popular iPhone, you fail to see that this mistake may lead to the demise of your beloved T-Mobile.  Was it a business move to not pick it up?  Could be.  But whatever the reasoning is, NOT getting an iPhone was a huge blunder.  Could getting it save T-Mobile?  One will never know.  But I can say with 100% certainty that not getting it definitely will not help TMO’s cause.    

    The truth is that if all of you loved Magenta like you say you do, you’d WANT the iPhone to come here.  Regardless of whether or not you love or hate Apple and their products, there is absolutely no denying the business they have brought every carrier that has opted to carry their devices.  Business that TMO desperately needs.  Do you think that TMO will stay afloat from all the warm, fuzzy feelings you have about them and Android?  It takes MONEY and T-Mobile’s last shot at injecting their business with much needed, almost guaranteed capital just went down the drain, IMO.

    So yeah, nail in the coffin, as much as I hate to admit it.  Granted, DT wants out of the game here in the U.S., but I can’t say that I’m surprised by this move, or lack thereof, by T-Mobile.  Seems to be par for the course.    

    (I’m an Android user btw (G2), so miss me with all the Apple fanboy talk)

    • kenshiro

      If all it takes for a mobile carrier to be successful is to carry an iPhone with devices like the GS2 and Nexus Prime available, there is something fundamentally flawed with our society.

      • trife

        I see where you’re coming from and I somewhat agree.  But it is what it is, I guess.  

        Consumers dictate sales, so either you legitimately compete w/ the other carriers or you go home.  Given T-Mobile’s current state, I think we can say that they HAVE competed…..just not well enough to ensure that they don’t get sent packin’.    

      • Anonymous

        It may be flawed from your perspective but thats your opinion. You need to accept the fact that its all about business and Apple is clearly better at it than most.  Look at how far they have come???  You have to realize that they (all hardware companies) are all in this to make money and not to make tech geeks like us happy.  Apple has just figured out the best formula and created an ecosystem around it.  Their very different way of doing things internally has allowed them to get to this point.  They created a business model that incorporates design, engineering, art and culture all into one major strategy.  And holy CRAP!! it works well!

        I can see why it upsets most of you because you see it from a technical perspective based on capability and potential use.  But remember, it’s about the mean and the average.  The Average user dominates the market.  Advertising and marketing exists because it works, if it didn’t than maybe your opinions would have more depth in the situaiton.  But until you realize science and technology are for the greater good of EVERYONE, technical and non-technical alike than you are always going to be disappointed.  At the core of it all is the human experience, and in this day and age its about tapping in to that to make the most money.

  • InsideSource

    For all you Apple fans….JUST CALM DOWN… TMO will be getting the iPhone 1st QTR 2012…It has been confirmed to me by upper level execs at TMO… Plans are for the iPhone 5 with HSDPA+ 42 megs…If you read between the lines, TMO CEO said TMO wont get iPhone 5 this year…what he didnt mention was weather TMO was getting it next year…

    • Ricktrann

      I wish that were true man… I really hope that’s true!!!

    • Sorry2breakit2u

      Inside source please fire the man who gives you your misguided information. If you haven’t noticed, tmobile is the only major carrier without the iPhone. Why you might ask? Because T-Mobile USA will cease to exist after the first quarter of next year. After everything is set and done AT&T will have to dilute some of their assets for the merger to be approved. DT, is looking to sell Tmobile USA, now a troubled asset, as they keep loosing customers quarter after quarter. Whether people like it or not, whether it’s AT&T or another tech/wireless giant, tmobile won’t be here for too long. Apple will not make a hspa+ 42 megs iPhone because the next iPhone will be a LTE compatible device. Why do you think sprint is now trying to spread their LTE footprints through light squared? Apple is creating a “universal” iPhone, one that can be used globally with any carrier, why would they create one specifically for tmobile USA? Doesn’t make much sense especially when the parent company wants to get rid of the rotten apple. Food for thought. And it wasn’t tmobile’s CEO that said that, it was their coo.

    • Sorry2breakit2u

      Inside source please fire the man who gives you your misguided information. If you haven’t noticed, tmobile is the only major carrier without the iPhone. Why you might ask? Because T-Mobile USA will cease to exist after the first quarter of next year. After everything is set and done AT&T will have to dilute some of their assets for the merger to be approved. DT, is looking to sell Tmobile USA, now a troubled asset, as they keep loosing customers quarter after quarter. Whether people like it or not, whether it’s AT&T or another tech/wireless giant, tmobile won’t be here for too long. Apple will not make a hspa+ 42 megs iPhone because the next iPhone will be a LTE compatible device. Why do you think sprint is now trying to spread their LTE footprints through light squared? Apple is creating a “universal” iPhone, one that can be used globally with any carrier, why would they create one specifically for tmobile USA? Doesn’t make much sense especially when the parent company wants to get rid of the rotten apple. Food for thought. And it wasn’t tmobile’s CEO that said that, it was their coo.

    • Guido

      What was left unsaid was that NOBODY is getting the iPhone5 this year!

  • Ricktrann

    DAVID, PLEASE ANSWER THIS.

    Does anyone know “for sure!” that the 4s will NOT work on tmo’s 3G frequencies yet???

    Or can we just go to apple, buy an unlocked, and “3G” here we come???

    Or does no one know definitively yet until the phone actually hits the shelves???

    Thanks

    Ricky

    • everyone knows for sure apparently except for you

      Tmobile 3g/4g runs on the AWS 1700/2100 band, the iPhone 4S(and every other GSM iPhone ever released) only has 850,1900 and 2100 bands for 3g and 4G

      if that doesnt clear it up for you then you should stop drinking Koolaide

  • Nearmsp

    Today I have been reflecting on all the posts and statements by all and sundry. What comes to my mind is that – the T-mobile CEO had the last laugh. He knew that there will not be an iPhone 5 and deliberately gave a kick to Apple by saying ‘T-mobile” is not getting the iPhone 5 this year”. Thereby adding to the frenzy of expectation for an iPhone 5. That said, Apple also needs to share the blame for the let down by being overly secretive to the point of not denying any of the hype that build over the last 15 months for an iPhone 5. If anyone remembers, I did post here  a few weeks back, that as a trader I sense a weakness in the Apple stock and I was taking profits and some one commented and said I know nothing about stocks. My gut feeling was right, the people in the know were booking profits. That said, there are millions of people who appreciate Apple products and the iPhone 4S will sell well. But Apple CEO’s honeymoon is over and he will need to show that Apple continues to believe in “wowing” its customers otherwise Apple stock will have peaked for the foreseeable future. I plan to sit out for another month to decide between an iPhone 4S and Samsung Galaxy SII. Neither of them have a “wow” factor for me to rush in. I need to watch the feedback of new iPhone users on the Sprint network if is indeed capable of providing the iPhone experience on its network. T-mobile has certainly bought itself some time.

    • Anonymous

      You aren’t seeing this from a business perspective and only your own.  Apple has the heart of the regular consumer. I’ve said this time and time again, your advanced, techincal perspective compares and scales nothing to a regular people who don’t read tech blogs.  They buy into the commercials and the hype and fall in love with what apple is feeding them.  It doesn’t have to be totally re-invented every time.  Look at the 3G and the 3GS, people said the same thing and the 3GS went on to dominate for a long time.  

      The CEO also didn’t get the last laugh, if anything hes bitter.  He knows he’s trying to promote a product that doesn’t want to exist anymore.  In other words, he’s trying to grow a company that doesnt really want to be grown anymore by the parent company.  Hell, another article on this site is already revealing DT’s pan B lol.  

      T-mobile hasn’t bought itself anytime imo because DT most likely doesn’t want it to have any more time.  If they could, they’d finish the transaction immediately and put an end to it.  Its an inconvenient likelihood but very likely none the less.

      • mrmiddl

         in correction, apple has the heart of a specific age group. most people over say 50 could care less, and the only really core group they have is teen to late 20’s because of its status symbol. 30 to 50 is about split because you have more technical and business professionals in that age group that use their phone for business/productivity ie. blackberry users

    • Anonymous

      You aren’t seeing this from a business perspective and only your own.  Apple has the heart of the regular consumer. I’ve said this time and time again, your advanced, techincal perspective compares and scales nothing to a regular people who don’t read tech blogs.  They buy into the commercials and the hype and fall in love with what apple is feeding them.  It doesn’t have to be totally re-invented every time.  Look at the 3G and the 3GS, people said the same thing and the 3GS went on to dominate for a long time.  

      The CEO also didn’t get the last laugh, if anything hes bitter.  He knows he’s trying to promote a product that doesn’t want to exist anymore.  In other words, he’s trying to grow a company that doesnt really want to be grown anymore by the parent company.  Hell, another article on this site is already revealing DT’s pan B lol.  

      T-mobile hasn’t bought itself anytime imo because DT most likely doesn’t want it to have any more time.  If they could, they’d finish the transaction immediately and put an end to it.  Its an inconvenient likelihood but very likely none the less.

  • BigMixxx

    I had to chime in on this one….

    So I’m at a Data warehousing conference in San Deigo.  T mobile was scheduled to speak here, but NOOOO, they did not show up.  I was gonna ask the question.

    Anywho…

    No…..Absolutely not.  While it was not a good move for T mobile not to announce an iphone during a time at which there will be a huge ripple in the mobile phone arena, now is not the time to get the iphone 4S. There is no major difference between iphone 4 and iphone 4s.  Note what the keynote harped on (siri and the camera), there is an additional core of CPU and different models.  iPhone is available for everyone one in different models.

    Think through this for a minute….  What would you get better margins on iPhone or Android?  
    Also think about THIS for a minute.  The reasons behind the lawsuits now are have come out.  APPLE’s stock price dropped 20 points.  

    http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_19039968

    to quote the article:  “Expectations for Apple’s product roll-outs have become really unrealistic”

    People really expected more in this next release.  Hell, I expected more out of this release.  The key factor going right now is that they are doing what they have typically done in the past.  The rough thing now is that they have a new CEO and he introduced a ‘what would be considered’ mediocre product release.  They harped on 2 things: 1) Siri and 2) the camera.  While Cool..So?

    ( BTW Nokia N8 camera is so much more better, but Nokia can’t market to Americans.  )

    This is not a failure in execution, it’s high expectations for Apple.

    This also explains the WILDLY successful Galaxy SII.  The Galaxy by far, right now is a MUCH better  device.

    Alas, But still T mobile needs this phone to remain viable.  Now the question is, can you stick a t mobile sim card in and get 3g+ service.

    Does it kill T mobile, HELL no.  Just because APPLE did not secure a LOT of money from T mobile, does not mean that it killed the company.  Think about a 3 year deal with Sprint at 20 billion? The real cost of that deal….That’s more than the free cash they have right now.  T mobile USA made a good financial decision.  They need to communicate more of the ‘We are Waiting on Apple message’ vs. We have better devices….

  • Anonymous

    DT killed Tmo a longgg time ago with its screwed up managing ways.  Apple just let everyone down, thats all.

    • Wmesallem

      Actually the moment that tnobile went to shit was when john carny left and Bonita inza took over. She screwed up new deployments and sales. T-mobile under Carney and dobson grew heavily but cost cutting measures just hurt the carrier and instead of actually doing something positiveand getting kick ass devices they went for subprime devices that required upgrading much more often. when I worked for t-mobile we had 2 smart phones and the sidekick when att had tons of them. At the end of it they made us concentrate on selling razers rather than evolve to.better phones. You can thank Bonita inza for the downfall

  • Part of me thinks its a horrible idea for them to not pick up the iphone.  

    But literally just got done reading an article on CNN money about how some people think that picking up the iphone will be the end of sprint.  Apparently Sprint has had to make a huge financial gamble to carry the iphone, and possibly they bit off more than they can chew.   For one they have to purchase 30.5 million iphones whether or not they are able to sell them to customers.  The iphones are price fixed by apple, so its not like they can price them competitively with other smartphones if needed.  The Wall Street Journal says the deal could cost Sprint $20 billion.  

    So after reading that article I’m on the fence.  I feel that on one had T-mo could be missing out on a huge market of people, yet on the other hand if this is how they can keeep their prices down and stay competitive in some way then it is a good decision.  I for one will not be getting an iphone, even if it magically shows up on T-mo on iphone day. 

    • sino8r

      if that’s true… might be a huge part of why tmobile didnt! nice find!

    • sino8r

      if that’s true… might be a huge part of why tmobile didnt! nice find!

    • JT

      I’ve just been reading some of those articles myself. I think Sprint is kind of screwed. Now I’m sure they’ll sell quite a few since nobody on their network already has one and there are people that want them but I’ve been reading various sites and it seems the majority of people posting on the message boards are not happy. It’s not the upgrade that they thought it would be. I’m assuming that Sprint knew this wasn’t the iphone 5. Big gamble.

  • Part of me thinks its a horrible idea for them to not pick up the iphone.  

    But literally just got done reading an article on CNN money about how some people think that picking up the iphone will be the end of sprint.  Apparently Sprint has had to make a huge financial gamble to carry the iphone, and possibly they bit off more than they can chew.   For one they have to purchase 30.5 million iphones whether or not they are able to sell them to customers.  The iphones are price fixed by apple, so its not like they can price them competitively with other smartphones if needed.  The Wall Street Journal says the deal could cost Sprint $20 billion.  

    So after reading that article I’m on the fence.  I feel that on one had T-mo could be missing out on a huge market of people, yet on the other hand if this is how they can keeep their prices down and stay competitive in some way then it is a good decision.  I for one will not be getting an iphone, even if it magically shows up on T-mo on iphone day. 

  • R Akiyama

    T-mobile customer of 7 years, going to leave this month for Sprint.
    Adios.

    • tm

      you have extra cash to spend?

  • Sorry2breakit2you

    Inside source please fire the man who gives you your misguided
    information. If you haven’t noticed, tmobile is the only major carrier
    without the iPhone. Why you might ask? Because T-Mobile USA will cease
    to exist after the first quarter of next year. After everything is set
    and done AT&T will have to dilute some of their assets for the
    merger to be approved. DT, is looking to sell Tmobile USA, now a
    troubled asset, as they keep loosing customers quarter after quarter.
    Whether people like it or not, whether it’s AT&T or another
    tech/wireless giant, tmobile won’t be here for too long. Apple will not
    make a hspa+ 42 megs iPhone because the next iPhone will be a LTE
    compatible device. Why do you think sprint is now trying to spread their
    LTE footprints through light squared? Apple is creating a “universal”
    iPhone, one that can be used globally with any carrier, why would they
    create one specifically for tmobile USA? Doesn’t make much sense
    especially when the parent company wants to get rid of the rotten apple.
    Food for thought. And it wasn’t tmobile’s CEO that said that, it was
    their coo.

    • Anonymous

      your unbiased logic and opinions are  refreshing!

  • Sorry2breakit2you

    Inside source please fire the man who gives you your misguided
    information. If you haven’t noticed, tmobile is the only major carrier
    without the iPhone. Why you might ask? Because T-Mobile USA will cease
    to exist after the first quarter of next year. After everything is set
    and done AT&T will have to dilute some of their assets for the
    merger to be approved. DT, is looking to sell Tmobile USA, now a
    troubled asset, as they keep loosing customers quarter after quarter.
    Whether people like it or not, whether it’s AT&T or another
    tech/wireless giant, tmobile won’t be here for too long. Apple will not
    make a hspa+ 42 megs iPhone because the next iPhone will be a LTE
    compatible device. Why do you think sprint is now trying to spread their
    LTE footprints through light squared? Apple is creating a “universal”
    iPhone, one that can be used globally with any carrier, why would they
    create one specifically for tmobile USA? Doesn’t make much sense
    especially when the parent company wants to get rid of the rotten apple.
    Food for thought. And it wasn’t tmobile’s CEO that said that, it was
    their coo.

  • Derek 21

    What are some of you people talking about? Tmobile wants the damn iPhone at the end of the day apple didn’t go for it, and David I think some of the other negativity is pointless as well because u pointed out it’s an upgraded 4. For all consumers with common sense with all this litigation going on it wasn’t good business for either to have the iPhone. Tmo will inherit device next year after more then likely merge. Almost would be a long shot but it’s awfully strange there is no iPhone 5 while merger is looming. Sprint killed their argument because iPhone will drive up their customer base, stopping their competition blah blah against merger. If u really want to leave a company for an iPhone your an idiot it’s been out for years now should have been left. Don’t cry wolf about a company letting you down, when at the end of the day it was apple who had yall overhyped for a year and change for a phone they didn’t even come uyt with lol. It’s only worth it at AT&T when they let u get one long as u renew, the other companies no

  • Johnmiller

    Or maybe AT&T has paid Apple money to not release the phone on T-Mobile… 

  • Don

    iphone or no iphone it does’nt really make a difference

  • Jerryt

    Dumb article that is purely speculative. I’d expect better from tmonews.

    • Anonymous

      it’s not dumb at all.  It makes a lot of sense actually.  The writer is seeing things from a business perspective.  He’s well-rounded enough to see both sides and came to a real conclusion.  Just because his opinions are based on logic  unlike your fanaticism over the T-Mobile brand  doesn’t make it a dumb article.  I think you were faced with an inconvenient truth that the writer illustrated to you and quite simply, you didn’t like it.  In fact, you didn’t even take the time to justify your stance on it further.  All you said was that it’s a “dumb article”.  What “better” do you expect from this guy? to lie? to paint a phony picture? 

      Why should he? it’s unprofessional to do such a thing. Sure its just a blog but the guy clearly has integrity and honor to post something like this on a T-mobile fan site.

      Did you even read all of it?? his last paragraph even states that the iphone may not have been enough to save the company.  I’m not sure why you’ve chosen to be so negative towards the article aside from it hitting a personal sour note but it’s a relevant article to the t-mobile community.

      • tm

        Business perspective not talking about $$$? Article says: “So, T-Mobile didn’t put the effort in.  They didn’t express the interest
        (read: money) to get the iPhone on their network.  This is a huge
        misstep.”
        That’s an opinion I do not share. Dumb and speculative is a good way to say it, OK with me!

        • Anonymous

          Business perspective is money, MR. tm.  They clearly don’t have the backing from their parent company and Apple needs to ensure it’s worth their while to sell it on t-mobile.  T-Mobile , not by fault of their own, may not have actually put in enough effort ( read: money) to make it happen.  The finger here can clearly be pointed at DT I.M.H.O.  You don’t have to share any one elses opinion but at least arrive at it using a sincere and unbiased logic.

        • tm

          Is a good argument that TMo would make more $$ with the IPhone but I think it’s better they did not, because I think they should do better having cheaper service, and their service is good compared with Sprint at least so why complain? TMo loses money because of too much debt (old story) and because DT stockholders would get rich selling TMo to ATT. Happens in every damn tech industry at some point.Go buy stock in DT while the market is down. I’m glad tmo has no IPhone I think the fuss is stupid.

        • Anonymous

          cheaper service and the business model you propose is not ideal for profitability.  This is an industry, not a charity and things are always unfair like you pointed.  You as an individual may be glad they have no iphone, but Ask many churning customers who are fleeing to sprint because of this phone what they think? very different story, sir.

        • tm

          Fleeing to Sprint? I would maybe but I hear the service is not so good! Now can I get a free high end phone, $50.00 unlimited for 2, and 15 extra for 2 more; a close-to unlimited family plan for $150? for 4? no…

        • tm

          Oh yeah if you think cheaper service is not a good model, are TD bank (formerly Commerce bank) and Capital One, doing poorly? how about Planet Fitness?

        • Anonymous

          cheaper service and the business model you propose is not ideal for profitability.  This is an industry, not a charity and things are always unfair like you pointed.  You as an individual may be glad they have no iphone, but Ask many churning customers who are fleeing to sprint because of this phone what they think? very different story, sir.

      • tm

        Business perspective not talking about $$$? Article says: “So, T-Mobile didn’t put the effort in.  They didn’t express the interest
        (read: money) to get the iPhone on their network.  This is a huge
        misstep.”
        That’s an opinion I do not share. Dumb and speculative is a good way to say it, OK with me!

  • Oreo

    Dont worry ya’ll the New Nexus should save all of ya’ll from apples mind control.

  • Oreo

    Dont worry ya’ll the New Nexus should save all of ya’ll from apples mind control.

  • Anonymous

    There is a reason why deutsche telecom is sure that the merger will happen. If the iphone would have arrived for us then it would have brought waves of people through the store. Unlimited TTW for 99 bucks for two Iphones would have saved T-mobile. That’s not what they want though. They can’t show the government that they are profitable and a major competitor. They want to lose customers so the merger holds a stronger argument. By us not getting the iphone will lead to more deacts and less activations. That’s what they want.

  • jarjon76

    LOTS of panic over T-Mobile not getting the iphone. While it would have been great for T-Mobile, it’s not an indication one way or another of what’s going to happen to T-Mo in the future. To think that is silly and over simplifying things. DK clearly wants to rid itself of T-Mobile USA and if this AT&T “thing” doesn’t go through, they find another way–iphone or no iphone.

    I sincerely hope you “gloom and doom” folks are like this with your everyday life. If so, get help and get it now.

  • W3m1975

    lol what does apple have to do with the survival of a company? You may be slightly infatuated with the os David but really? I can’t believe anyone listening to the cook guy prattle on about how great there products are then display improvements windows devices and androids both displayed more than 12 months ago.This speech shows the company is reaching the end of its rope on innovation and is now just trying to sell another lackluster product. Lets face it, no 4G no real smart phone innovation just another I phone 4 with a different case.

    • Anonymous

      Apple has a lot to do with the survival of the company actually.  Sprint has said it in the past, it’s hard to compete without it.  It may not be the best phone but people love it and the company behind it.  It controls a lot of mind-share and is considered affordable and premium.  

      Furthermore, Apple is not reaching the end of the innovation rope.  This is how their prodcut and design cycle work.  They did this with the 3G and the 3Gs, and many said the same thing back then like you just did about their lack of innovation and they went on to sell millions upon millions of 3G’s and 3GS’s.  The innards seem beefed up too, Check out how it stacks against its competitors… it does pretty well from spec sheet to spec sheet.

      I’m not sure if you are familiar within the world of business, but i’m in engineering sales and trust me Apple is highly regarded and is a thorn to their competitors…

      Also, THERE IS NO REAL 4G.  T-Mobile surely doesnt have real 4G! it’s simply a marketing ploy used by all the carriers.  LTE is a 4G technology but no company that i’m aware of is using it at true 4G speeds.  T-Mobile doesn’t seem to have a technological edge anymore and their umts frequencies (1700/2100) are quite odd and i can see why apple may not have wanted to take the time or effort.  

    • Wilma Flintstone

      DAVID DIDN’T WRITE THE ARTICLE!!!  Read the Author!!!

  • VZWRep

    Lol..so glad i stopped working for a dying company…tmobile never pays up to get the best of the best..i read an article, sprint put in 20 BILLION to get an iphone on their network…it shows their commitment to the wireless game. Tmobile will always be a lame 4th in the wireless game or nothing at all.

  • Liman007

    well well well, this sure is interesting,especially for me. i asked t-mobile for a full discount for the upcoming GS II and two year contract to lock me up they said no. now that i know the iphone 4s is gonna be a world phone on sprint network, I’m seriously thinking about switching to sprint even though i know for a fact the GS II is a better phone than iphone 4s. bad decision t-mobile,bad bad bad…..

    • JT

      I got on the Sprint network thinking “Wow unlimited data”! That lasted for about 2 1/2 weeks. It was terrible. I lived in supposedly one of their best areas for 3G and 4G service. So I had my phone checked out at one of the local Sprint stores then they verified that there were no towers down in my area. I got one bar and roaming throughout town. Went back to TMO and got a free phone of my choice for switching back. I know nobody wants to pay overage fees with Verizon and AT&T but Sprint was brutal. The bad thing, there’s about to be less competition.

  • Liman007

    well well well, this sure is interesting,especially for me. i asked t-mobile for a full discount for the upcoming GS II and two year contract to lock me up they said no. now that i know the iphone 4s is gonna be a world phone on sprint network, I’m seriously thinking about switching to sprint even though i know for a fact the GS II is a better phone than iphone 4s. bad decision t-mobile,bad bad bad…..

  • Johnny

    Tmo will do just fine without the iphone 4s.  while it would be a nice to have to reduce churn from the iphone faithful, the latest 4G handset selection is competitive both from a pricing and capability perspective.  Sprint has crippled itself with the iphone deal.  Dont be surprised when TMO takes out sprint in a year as an acquirer.

    • Littlesis1774

      I don’t think they will because if the merger does not go though DT will take the break up fee and invest Germany and expanding  T-Mobile in Europe. DT will no longer invest in the US market. T-mobile USA needs iphone and AT&T

  • Johnny

    Tmo will do just fine without the iphone 4s.  while it would be a nice to have to reduce churn from the iphone faithful, the latest 4G handset selection is competitive both from a pricing and capability perspective.  Sprint has crippled itself with the iphone deal.  Dont be surprised when TMO takes out sprint in a year as an acquirer.

  • Ryan Dawald

    stop making the iphone sound like some kind of god its pathetic and apple just shows your they cant be creative for shit. I hope the new nexus blows this crap out the water(which it will)

  • Ilyas_k15

    No reason to be so concerned. Since the iPhone 5 wasn’t released (dick move on Apple’s part, that shows extreme carelessness towards the fans/consumers), not too many people would want to leave T-Mo for the iPhone 4S, being that there is nothing impressive about it and any high-end Android device can easily outdo the 4S. The only thing that makes me mad is that Apple stole the Notifications Bar from Android. That’s like cutting a man’s balls off, it was just a really pathetic thing to do. I’m absolutely disgusted with Apple.

  • tm

    I would much rather see my low cost service than see TMobile get the IPhone!!!
    Did you consider that they both have lowest cost and no Apple?
    Is a connection and it should STAY THAT WAY. please so I can afford a new phone.

  • SMH

    wwhoooooo caressssss…the iphone is the same damn thing every year and idiots keep buying it because we have made it a gatdamn status symbol…so apple didnt kill T-Mo because you cant kill what is already dead…Deutsch Telecom did that already…nevertheless R.I.P T-mo I knew you well

  • SMH

    wwhoooooo caressssss…the iphone is the same damn thing every year and idiots keep buying it because we have made it a gatdamn status symbol…so apple didnt kill T-Mo because you cant kill what is already dead…Deutsch Telecom did that already…nevertheless R.I.P T-mo I knew you well

    • I’m seriously tired of people calling iPhone buyers idiots in the comments. The next time it happens the banhammer comes out. Respect people regardless of their buying decisions.

      • Jstoned12

        i feel you but ppl always take crap when we don’t buy the iPhone so it goes both way….. they say we got a shitty phone, i never liked the iPhone personally but it is a great phone, i just like android better, if you want the iphone buy it if that’s what makes you happy

      • Iphoneidiots

        David, go Ban people who cares, Ban me if you want too. You are a tech blog and your existence depends on people coming to your site. Heck I hope the merger goes through just so I can see the end of tmonews and your retarded antics. You’re acting lame.

        • Ok, fair to think anything you want. If keeping the discussion civilized is acting lame, then I am all for that. If you want to see the end of the site so bad, why do you keep visiting?

      • Caliborn1

        The iphone is more than comparing features.  Its syncing with itunes which everybody, practically everybody has. Millions now have ipads. Its ease of use, its amazing apps.  Go buy a movie or tv show on itunes and try to bring it on your android phone, cant….
        I was a little confused with one thing. Airplay already exists and they talked like it was a new feature…  I got Airplay to work with my mytouch…photos, videos…

      • Caliborn1

        The iphone is more than comparing features.  Its syncing with itunes which everybody, practically everybody has. Millions now have ipads. Its ease of use, its amazing apps.  Go buy a movie or tv show on itunes and try to bring it on your android phone, cant….
        I was a little confused with one thing. Airplay already exists and they talked like it was a new feature…  I got Airplay to work with my mytouch…photos, videos…

  • Anonymous

    UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz); 
    GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz) Those are the frequency specs that Apple posted. I could be wrong but don’t a couple of those numbers look familiar? If you want an iphone that bad wait for it to be announced or buy an unlocked one.

    • In order to get the phone to work on T-Mobile 3G/4G you would need the 1700 band. Without that, all unlocked phones are EDGE only.

      • Caliborn1

        So its still the same as the old iphone unlocked like I used? 2G or Edge is horrible. Put  a nail in it. You cant stream music, cant stream radio stations, cant get you tube, download apps, etc. etc. except on wifi. I want an iphone for numerous reasons, but minimum $85 per month ATT vs.  $60 on TMO is tough to accept, especially with limited talk of 450

      • Caliborn1

        So its still the same as the old iphone unlocked like I used? 2G or Edge is horrible. Put  a nail in it. You cant stream music, cant stream radio stations, cant get you tube, download apps, etc. etc. except on wifi. I want an iphone for numerous reasons, but minimum $85 per month ATT vs.  $60 on TMO is tough to accept, especially with limited talk of 450

    • Alberto Quintero

      you will only get EDGE with tmobile & 3G with AT&T. tmobile 3G need 1700 & 2100

  • Meagan

    Tmobile is alive and well in other countries, and joyfully selling iPhones. Its TmobileUSA that chose to not sell the iPhone. TmobileUSA didn’t bank on themselves to handle an influx of sales, commissions, and lines out the door had they decided to join the rest of the world with adding a iPhone to their TmobileUSA lineup.

    At this point, its smarter to purchase a AT&T compatible iPhone to use on Tmobile, so that you can sell it later if you change your mind. AT&T won’t be going downhill anytime soon.

    Edge isn’t bad if you are near wifi most of the day. Besides, Tmobile 4G isn’t so fast here in most parts of Los Angeles, so I might as well be on Edge.

  • Meagan

    Tmobile is alive and well in other countries, and joyfully selling iPhones. Its TmobileUSA that chose to not sell the iPhone. TmobileUSA didn’t bank on themselves to handle an influx of sales, commissions, and lines out the door had they decided to join the rest of the world with adding a iPhone to their TmobileUSA lineup.

    At this point, its smarter to purchase a AT&T compatible iPhone to use on Tmobile, so that you can sell it later if you change your mind. AT&T won’t be going downhill anytime soon.

    Edge isn’t bad if you are near wifi most of the day. Besides, Tmobile 4G isn’t so fast here in most parts of Los Angeles, so I might as well be on Edge.

  • Anyone who wants an iPhone on T-Mobile is a racist. There, I said it. Also, didn’t Hitler also want an iPhone?

    OK, with the troll over, now that I’ve annoyed the TmoNews team, the answer is no, Apple hasn’t done any such thing. The damage was done by AT&T, and quite honestly:

    1. There is no phone in existence whose availability is absolutely critical to any mobile operator.

    2. T-Mobile is suffering a range of issues right now that will not be fixed until years after the AT&T debacle is over. T-Mobile is not in a position to spend the kind of cash that Apple demands; it’s reputation and values have suffered greatly as it’s tried to align itself with the AT&T way of doing things; and nobody has any confidence in it existing this time next year.

    I understand TmoNews being interested in the whole iPhone thing. You guys like it, you’re disappointed it’s not available. But quite honestly, the iPhone isn’t even on the radar of most people, they’re quite happy to get an Android phone, it’s the features they want, not the brand. In the longer term, if T-Mobile survives AT&T’s attack, then they have an “easy” solution available to them anyway – put 3G on their 1900MHz band where they have the spectrum to do so. The more they migrate to 3G phones, the less GSM capacity will be needed in PCS anyway. Once that’s done, people can buy the unlocked versions, and, well, T-Mobile can even subsidize those if they want.

    For now though, let’s see if T-Mobile survives the AT&T embrace. That’s the fight that needs to be fought.

    • Anonymous

      I love how you are using the words “survive” and “attack” to describe the attempted merger.  DT accepted the offer lmao.  If anything i think its fair to say “suicide” on t-mobiles behalf.  T-mobile was not victimized in the eyes of realism. They were looking for an easy way out which once again is more in-line with “suicide”.  

      Your idea of purposely restructuring their spectrum usages would cost a lot of money and probably wouldn’t work mainly because of their long term plans.  They are trying to grow and not just stay treading water.  Putting 3G on their 1900 mhz band wouldn’t be a long-term solution.

      I’m also not sure if you were generalizing the t-mobile community’s interest in the device or the entire populations interest in iPhone but i think it’s safe to say there is a healthy, and strong interest in it overall.  Enough for a company to bet a lot of money on it.

      On a positive note, good post!!

  • Anonymous

    I strongly believe that if it were not for the merger, Tmobile would have the iPhone.  The fact is that Att and Tmobile both have to show they belive the merger will go through and that the investment in getting the iPhone would be a waste if it happens because Att already has the iPhone and would thereby make it available to all assimilated Tmobile cusotmers.

    • Anonymous

      Potentially, however there is still that element of technological compatibility.  T-mo uses very different aws 3g spectrum for their 3G/4G implementation.  What you say may have a significant role in the lack of iphone on the network but i don’t think its the sole reason.

    • Anonymous

      Potentially, however there is still that element of technological compatibility.  T-mo uses very different aws 3g spectrum for their 3G/4G implementation.  What you say may have a significant role in the lack of iphone on the network but i don’t think its the sole reason.

    • Littlesis1774

      The merger needs to go though now. I don’t think they have much of a choice anymore because the other buyers might not want it now. I think T-Mobile USA lost too much value and the customers are leaving in drones.

      • joseph slemp

        Hell no to the merger. It’s the worst possible decision in terms of consumer interests. More competition = better for consumers.

        • Littlesis1774

          T-mobile won’t be able to complete against Verizon, AT&T and Sprint if the merger does not go though

  • Ghostman34

    Not having the iPhone doesn’t mean anything for T-Moble. Not going to hurt at all. There’s still going to be the customers coming signing up or extending existing contracts. I don’t need to stinkin iFone at all. Yes, I’m an Adroid user..but have always been anti-apple-anything or anti-i-anything. Just too overrated.
    Keep your darn eyePhone!

    • Littlesis1774

      actually it does since people been leaving left and right every year. It going to get worse since Sprint has it now

  • Ghostman34

    Not having the iPhone doesn’t mean anything for T-Moble. Not going to hurt at all. There’s still going to be the customers coming signing up or extending existing contracts. I don’t need to stinkin iFone at all. Yes, I’m an Adroid user..but have always been anti-apple-anything or anti-i-anything. Just too overrated.
    Keep your darn eyePhone!

  • Hamster

    Considering the bet that Sprint had to make on the iPhone, I’m not surprised that T-Mobile didn’t do it. With the potential sale looming, they were in no position to make the same kind of commitment to the iPhone that Sprint did ($20 billion over 6 years I think is what I heard?).

  • Hamster

    Considering the bet that Sprint had to make on the iPhone, I’m not surprised that T-Mobile didn’t do it. With the potential sale looming, they were in no position to make the same kind of commitment to the iPhone that Sprint did ($20 billion over 6 years I think is what I heard?).

  • ogopogo

    Wow! Some of the comments on here make me shake my head.

    This is not an article about which OS is better (iOS vs. Android vs. WP7 vs. RIM). It is a clear summation of how the iPhone could have helped T-Mobile.

    Just as we’ve been pushing the idea that MORE carriers drive competition and benefit the consumer, the same holds true for the OS market. iOS and Android both push each other and we, as the consumer benefit.

    Please stop with the iPhone-bashing/Android-bashing/WP7-bashing. It isn’t helping, and does not contribute to a meaningful discussion.

    • jarjon76

      You’re not going to get a meaningful discussion on the internet.

    • Truth…

  • ogopogo

    Wow! Some of the comments on here make me shake my head.

    This is not an article about which OS is better (iOS vs. Android vs. WP7 vs. RIM). It is a clear summation of how the iPhone could have helped T-Mobile.

    Just as we’ve been pushing the idea that MORE carriers drive competition and benefit the consumer, the same holds true for the OS market. iOS and Android both push each other and we, as the consumer benefit.

    Please stop with the iPhone-bashing/Android-bashing/WP7-bashing. It isn’t helping, and does not contribute to a meaningful discussion.

  • Plankton

    Dbeont be so sad Dave.

    Apple will surprise with an iphone5. Trust me.

    By the way, how much holiday revenue do you think they are giving up with 1 in 5 Americans unemployed.

    Get real.

    The crabby patty formulary will be mine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Bob

    Nexus Prime or iPhone 4S….? Oh wait…TMO doesnt have either!

    • Anonymous

      nexus prime isnt even out yet, so no one has it,
      so cry somewhere else

      • Littlesis1774

        Verizon is the only one getting it

  • Bob

    Nexus Prime or iPhone 4S….? Oh wait…TMO doesnt have either!

  • Ggf44

    Tmobile will lose thousands upon thousands of subscribers on oct 14

  • Yallpussy

    YALL SOME BITCHES HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • Plankton

    Can you say they dont care?? Half of the ones that leave will have spent money on bricks and will pay the ETF. LOL all the way to the bank.

  • Anonymous

    I know when my contract is up I’m gone. not because of them not getting the iphone, but because of the uncertainty of this whole buy out thing, and them not having any plans for lte should the takeover not go through. This eagerness of trying to get rid of tmo usa also leaves a bad taste, and shows there will be no more investing in tmo usa. so, i will be leaving this sinking ship before it hits the bottom.

    • Mrcoolgarcia

      take me with you lol ,
      i will be doing the same im merging to the LTE network , i only stayed with t mo cus of the great price and service but im with you i hate the limbo and our network ias not gonna get any faster, 

    • Spanky

      In light of a long-lasting data slowdown in my area, I will most likely be leaving T-Mobile as well. Data became extremely slow in my area and has stayed that way for the past couple of months. T-Mobile keeps saying that they are working on it, but I haven’t seen any improvements at all. The recent decline in customer service is also a major contributing factor, but I can deal with it, as long as I get 4G speeds that my neighborhood is supposed to have (according to T-Mobile’s coverage map). Unless T-Mobile rectifies the data issue, I may have to give Verizon a shot when the Droid Prime comes out.

    • Spanky

      In light of a long-lasting data slowdown in my area, I will most likely be leaving T-Mobile as well. Data became extremely slow in my area and has stayed that way for the past couple of months. T-Mobile keeps saying that they are working on it, but I haven’t seen any improvements at all. The recent decline in customer service is also a major contributing factor, but I can deal with it, as long as I get 4G speeds that my neighborhood is supposed to have (according to T-Mobile’s coverage map). Unless T-Mobile rectifies the data issue, I may have to give Verizon a shot when the Droid Prime comes out.

    • Spanky

      In light of a long-lasting data slowdown in my area, I will most likely be leaving T-Mobile as well. Data became extremely slow in my area and has stayed that way for the past couple of months. T-Mobile keeps saying that they are working on it, but I haven’t seen any improvements at all. The recent decline in customer service is also a major contributing factor, but I can deal with it, as long as I get 4G speeds that my neighborhood is supposed to have (according to T-Mobile’s coverage map). Unless T-Mobile rectifies the data issue, I may have to give Verizon a shot when the Droid Prime comes out.

    • Spanky

      In light of a long-lasting data slowdown in my area, I will most likely be leaving T-Mobile as well. Data became extremely slow in my area and has stayed that way for the past couple of months. T-Mobile keeps saying that they are working on it, but I haven’t seen any improvements at all. The recent decline in customer service is also a major contributing factor, but I can deal with it, as long as I get 4G speeds that my neighborhood is supposed to have (according to T-Mobile’s coverage map). Unless T-Mobile rectifies the data issue, I may have to give Verizon a shot when the Droid Prime comes out.

    • Spanky

      In light of a long-lasting data slowdown in my area, I will most likely be leaving T-Mobile as well. Data became extremely slow in my area and has stayed that way for the past couple of months. T-Mobile keeps saying that they are working on it, but I haven’t seen any improvements at all. The recent decline in customer service is also a major contributing factor, but I can deal with it, as long as I get 4G speeds that my neighborhood is supposed to have (according to T-Mobile’s coverage map). Unless T-Mobile rectifies the data issue, I may have to give Verizon a shot when the Droid Prime comes out.

    • Anonymous

      ditto. Used-to-be-great customer service and grandfathered in plans aren’t enough to keep me anymore. I’m doing more travelling and if you even slightly get off the interstate in the Seattle area you’re down to EDGE and if you head into a rural area – goodbye data altogether. It’s not worth saving $10 a month for unreliable data. Especially since they’re now throttling as well. I’ve been with tmobile since voicestream days but it looks like the German masters want to kill it.

    • Anonymous

      ditto. Used-to-be-great customer service and grandfathered in plans aren’t enough to keep me anymore. I’m doing more travelling and if you even slightly get off the interstate in the Seattle area you’re down to EDGE and if you head into a rural area – goodbye data altogether. It’s not worth saving $10 a month for unreliable data. Especially since they’re now throttling as well. I’ve been with tmobile since voicestream days but it looks like the German masters want to kill it.

  • Anonymous

    its ok T-Mobile Android/Google got your back.samsung/google gonna reveal the Nexus Prime hopefully for t-mobile october 14th(hopefully).

  • Anonymous

    The big killer is that this is a HSPA + phone . This phone could have gotten new customers from all the other providers over to T-Mobile . I just when from really hating AT&T to really hating Apple and AT&T .

  • Ddde

    The iphone 4s is “4G” by T-mobiles standards, 14.4mbps
    Same as the My Touch 4G and countless others…

    • Duranimmanuel

      No its accualy 20 not 14 get your facts right

      • His facts are right, only Samsung has HSPA+ speeds of 21 on T-Mobile. All other “4G” phones are are 14.4 until the release of the Galaxy S II and HTC Amaze 4G.

  • Guest

    Why would T-Mobile pony up $10 or $20 billion to get the iPhone? It wouldn’t get many more customers. 1) More people buy Android phones than iPhones. 2) People who buy iPhones already are ok with paying more money for equal or lesser product, so they are a perfect fit for AT&T or Verizon already.

    • Littlesis1774

      That is not true since no android phone has beaten the iphone.  T-mobile is now the sinking the ship

  • Dfgg23

    It doesn’t really matter if the IPhone is a better phone than other Androids counterparts, T-mobile will lose more subscribers following this news and they are not in a position where they can afford to lose more customers. Fewer customers means less revenue and less revenue means they will have to make cuts. Less investments in the network and customer service. I can not see anything else but their overall service degrading.

  • Vim

    I don’t see what the IPhone S does that Android doesn’t already do.  Most of Tmobile’s customers that are obsessed with the IPhone have already left. This article comes across as a bit too Chicken Little for my taste.   I’m far more concerned with the damage that AT&T’s buyout is doing to T-Mobile, and with how Sprint plans to avoid bankruptcy after committing to buy far more IPhones then it is likely to ever sell.  I’m not the least bit surprised that Sprint’s stock price plummeted after news of the deal hit the net. As a non-iphone user, I’m not interested in seeing my rate go up just so my carrier can afford the subsidy that Apple is demanding.

  • CRT24

    I think all of us that work for T-Mobile had hoped we would not be the only carrier without the Iphone just for the simple fact of just being able to offer the device to customers who only want an IPhone for whatever reason. But if you look at what Sprint had to pay to have this on their network then that is very telling as to why T-Mobile didn’t get it this go around…..Sprint has basically mortgaged their future on one device and remember that as long as ATT has had the IPhone they have about 17 million of them on their network which is almost 20% of their overall customer base…..with a commitment to purchase 31 million devices for 20 billion whether they sell or not, even if Sprint sold all of them that would be almost 60% of their customer base…..not realistic to think they can sell that many devices and even when they do they are losing $500.00 in subsidy for everyone they sell! Given that they are already losing millions, don’t expect Sprint to be in the black anytime soon as this deal will further exacerbate that situation. Phillip Humm remarked that we didn’t get the IPhone this time around because T-Mobile’s aws frequency is a “niche frequency” and Apple did not want to build a phone with that frequency included…time will tell if that is true or not but I will hate to see the price tag for it when it is made available in early 2012 as has been suggested it will be.

  • CRT24

    I think all of us that work for T-Mobile had hoped we would not be the only carrier without the Iphone just for the simple fact of just being able to offer the device to customers who only want an IPhone for whatever reason. But if you look at what Sprint had to pay to have this on their network then that is very telling as to why T-Mobile didn’t get it this go around…..Sprint has basically mortgaged their future on one device and remember that as long as ATT has had the IPhone they have about 17 million of them on their network which is almost 20% of their overall customer base…..with a commitment to purchase 31 million devices for 20 billion whether they sell or not, even if Sprint sold all of them that would be almost 60% of their customer base…..not realistic to think they can sell that many devices and even when they do they are losing $500.00 in subsidy for everyone they sell! Given that they are already losing millions, don’t expect Sprint to be in the black anytime soon as this deal will further exacerbate that situation. Phillip Humm remarked that we didn’t get the IPhone this time around because T-Mobile’s aws frequency is a “niche frequency” and Apple did not want to build a phone with that frequency included…time will tell if that is true or not but I will hate to see the price tag for it when it is made available in early 2012 as has been suggested it will be.

  • Blowme

    I’ve read through some of the comments and a lot of you guys are making no sense. It is a big deal that TMO is the only major carrier not selling the best selling phone available. It’s a huge competitive disadvantage. The lack of the iPhone has been a driver of churn for years for Sprint and TMO. 

    • Mrcoolgarcia

      iphone is NOT THE BEST SELLING PHONE , ANDROID out sold it in the states and world wide ,

      • On a per phone basis, it is the best selling phone, not a platform basis but by each individual phone sales, iPhone wins.

      • people seem to forget, Android is an OS, not phone! the iphone is both OS and hardware. iphone wins. -sent via WP7 mango

      • Steve

        Which one Android phone is outselling the iPhone ?  Sure the hundreds of Android phones from multiple manufacturers is cumulatively ahead of the iPhone, but there is not another single phone anywhere near the sales volume of the iPhone. Nor is there an Android tablet with the sales of the iPad. I am not an iPhone fan, but for a single device, the sales are extraordinary. 

      • Littlesis1774

        no android phone has beaten the iphone

      • Littlesis1774

        no android phone has beaten the iphone

      • Littlesis1774

        no android phone has beaten the iphone

  • ItsMichaelNotMike

    It is somewhat surreal that with the announceme­nt of the iPhone 4S,
    that was perceived as a negative by the media and public, that the next
    day Steve Jobs passes. Obviously Apple timed the 4S release with Steve’s
    imminent passing.

    I have to wonder if Steve Jobs wanted it this way, to NOT announce the
    iPhone 5 when that debut would be clouded by his passing. Jobs was that
    way, I suspect he told Apple to wait on announcing the iPhone 5 until a
    few months after he was gone, so the media could focus on the phone
    rather than his death.

    I have to wonder if Steve Jobs wanted it this way, to NOT announce the
    iPhone 5 when that debut would be clouded by his passing. Jobs was that
    way, I suspect he told Apple to wait on announcing the iPhone 5 until a
    few months after he was gone, so the media could focus on the phone
    rather than his death.

    It would be just like him to do that since he always put Apple first.

  • Sad_tmo_customer

    T mobile offered me 2 free top of the line android phone in the line up and re sign with them.  I said no since we can really benefit from iphone. 
    Everyone has their needs.  Some benefit with Android, some with apple.  Apple is much easier to general public and their OS is much easier to use for general people, thus the are popular.  Android phones have awsome phone specs, but I never had a stable andoid phone.  I guess I am unlucky one but I am ready to go get me an iphone, and goodbye to T mobile.

    I wish T mobile had an Iphone.  Their service is great, plan cost is very competitive, and their customer care is top notch.  It’s a shame…

  • Sad_tmo_customer

    T mobile offered me 2 free top of the line android phone in the line up and re sign with them.  I said no since we can really benefit from iphone. 
    Everyone has their needs.  Some benefit with Android, some with apple.  Apple is much easier to general public and their OS is much easier to use for general people, thus the are popular.  Android phones have awsome phone specs, but I never had a stable andoid phone.  I guess I am unlucky one but I am ready to go get me an iphone, and goodbye to T mobile.

    I wish T mobile had an Iphone.  Their service is great, plan cost is very competitive, and their customer care is top notch.  It’s a shame…

    • Mrcoolgarcia

      sorry dont let the door hit you on your way out , youll be sorry you left and that your iphone cant do half of what android can ..

    • @12677aaeb11d2d94887a5ae4d90f19b9:disqus MY WORDS EXACTLY, GLAD SOMEONE AGREES!

  • Sad_tmo_customer

    T mobile offered me 2 free top of the line android phone in the line up and re sign with them.  I said no since we can really benefit from iphone. 
    Everyone has their needs.  Some benefit with Android, some with apple.  Apple is much easier to general public and their OS is much easier to use for general people, thus the are popular.  Android phones have awsome phone specs, but I never had a stable andoid phone.  I guess I am unlucky one but I am ready to go get me an iphone, and goodbye to T mobile.

    I wish T mobile had an Iphone.  Their service is great, plan cost is very competitive, and their customer care is top notch.  It’s a shame…

  • ItsMichaelNotMike

    Just a thought, probably does not matter to most, but maybe the headline in here should be changed because of Steve Job passing and get rid of the “nail in a coffin” graphic.

    • One step ahead of you, already changed along with the title.

    • Anonymous

      Why should change the picture?
      Let’s see how Apple treated T-Mobile USA first!

      • You’re half a heartbeat away from perma-banning. I don’t care if you love Apple, hate Apple. Keep your ugly thoughts to yourself and feel free to remove yourself from this article.

      • You’re half a heartbeat away from perma-banning. I don’t care if you love Apple, hate Apple. Keep your ugly thoughts to yourself and feel free to remove yourself from this article.

  • YOU

    THE IPHONE 4S KILLED STEVE JOBS

  • actualy I think Apple just killed Sprint.  With such an underwhelming phone and the fact Sprint is committed to move 32 million of them, I think they are screwed.

  • jon

    I like the comment below about chicken little…”The sky is falling! The sky is falling!” Lol. You have to look at the big picture. As, I and others have said before, the sky is falling in Sprints world. 30 million unit minimum has sealed their fate. If it were an iphone5, things might be ever so slightly not as doom and gloom over there. But we are talking about a phone with ZERO improvements that matter to the iphone niche market. Those customers are not techies that care about a dual core A5 processor. This phone got a really bad receiption from the media and customers alike. Sprint was and is delisionary to think they can push 30 million old iphones to a customer base of 52 million. Even IF, and that’s a huge if, they manage to add subcribers because of this old iphone; it won’t be anywhere near the numbers they need to justify 30 million units. This headline should be about the iphone killing Sprint. T-Mobile showed great business acumen not to cave to Apples outragous unit minimums. 30 million units with 30 million post paid subcribers would be suicide…take a step back and make smart business decision and not one based on desparation like Sprint.

  • jon

    I like the comment below about chicken little…”The sky is falling! The sky is falling!” Lol. You have to look at the big picture. As, I and others have said before, the sky is falling in Sprints world. 30 million unit minimum has sealed their fate. If it were an iphone5, things might be ever so slightly not as doom and gloom over there. But we are talking about a phone with ZERO improvements that matter to the iphone niche market. Those customers are not techies that care about a dual core A5 processor. This phone got a really bad receiption from the media and customers alike. Sprint was and is delisionary to think they can push 30 million old iphones to a customer base of 52 million. Even IF, and that’s a huge if, they manage to add subcribers because of this old iphone; it won’t be anywhere near the numbers they need to justify 30 million units. This headline should be about the iphone killing Sprint. T-Mobile showed great business acumen not to cave to Apples outragous unit minimums. 30 million units with 30 million post paid subcribers would be suicide…take a step back and make smart business decision and not one based on desparation like Sprint.

  • jon

    I like the comment below about chicken little…”The sky is falling! The sky is falling!” Lol. You have to look at the big picture. As, I and others have said before, the sky is falling in Sprints world. 30 million unit minimum has sealed their fate. If it were an iphone5, things might be ever so slightly not as doom and gloom over there. But we are talking about a phone with ZERO improvements that matter to the iphone niche market. Those customers are not techies that care about a dual core A5 processor. This phone got a really bad receiption from the media and customers alike. Sprint was and is delisionary to think they can push 30 million old iphones to a customer base of 52 million. Even IF, and that’s a huge if, they manage to add subcribers because of this old iphone; it won’t be anywhere near the numbers they need to justify 30 million units. This headline should be about the iphone killing Sprint. T-Mobile showed great business acumen not to cave to Apples outragous unit minimums. 30 million units with 30 million post paid subcribers would be suicide…take a step back and make smart business decision and not one based on desparation like Sprint.

  • I’m sorry Steve Jobs

    I think it’s kind of funny that we’re advised to not OS bash in this thread, but essentialy, the original article is one gigantic OS bash. What is T-Mobile lacking other than the iPhone? Super Large screen phone? Hercules this month. Dual core superphone? Sensation, G2X, Mytouch 4g slide. High end camera phone? Mytouch 4G slide, G2X. Next gen blackberry? The 9900. Windows 7 phone? HD7. Add to that the biggest range of mid range single core androids, budget sub 1ghz androids, traditional blackberries 97xx and 93xx, plus feature phones and basic phones, what is missing?

    Therefore, by saying not having the iPhone when everyone else does is the “nail in the coffin”, it is saying “yeah, iPhone is so amazing that without it, why would anyone sign up for t-mobile?”

    Seriously, one single phone is not 100 percent of activations, not even half of them. Hundreds of thousands of people still activate on whatever is free, or whatever is under $100, or look for specific features like a full qwerty keyboard, a super large screen, or a specific form factor. the Iphone [as much as David think is it is better than android] does not fit the needs of every single wireless consumer.

    If the iPhone is as big as deal as you think it is, why are screen protectors for the Evo selling as many units on amazon as screen protectors for the iPhone? why are 2 of the top 3 accessories micro usb charges?

    More than anything, Apple is going to be so late to the race it’s not even funny. With the 4S out, who seriously believes iPhone 5 is out in the next quarter? The current wave of android phones make the 4g look ancient, the 4S look ancient, and by the time iPhone 5 comes out, every single OS will have hardware light years ahead of it.  The Apple “name” and the “Sheeple” are the only reason Apple is in the race. Anyone who has worked as a direct dealer for any wireless company can tell you, it takes less than 15 minutes to educate someone on android and they will never be caught dead with an iphone again. Sorry, but it’s true.

    • Anonymous

      You aren’t looking at this from a real business perspective.  I used to foolishly think how you did when i was an undergrad in EE.  I was a typical nerd and only saw things from my perspective until i went and got My MBA from Tufts Univ.  It wasn’t until then that I realized how the business world really works.  The angles you are using to make your point aren’t relevant to the market as a whole.  You must realize that in business you can’t be subjective and you really need to understand the human element.  Based on your comments, I’m safely concluding that you only understand your own subjectivity.  Even if this release were to fail, which it probably won’t, Apple has the power, money and resources to completely go “all in” in designing something that the others will take a long time to play “catch up” with.  Not to be condescending, but stick to your scope of direct retail understanding and keep up the good work.    Stop preaching biased garbage to everyone else, you don’t sound wise or savvy.  

      • Giraffe

        What is relevant statistically is Android market share vs iOS devices, and data traffic comparisons.  Consumers are less likely to want a top tier smartphone as long as it does what they need it to do with reasonable support.  While people may have interest and even prefer iOS devices, they continue to choose android for the reasonable price point and comparable features.  Android enthusiasts will always see their product as superior to iOS because of its advantages (and ignore what the iPhone offers in comparison) and Apple fanboys will not be swayed. The place where the phone debate comes to life are people who don’t have the most funds, getting their first smartphones,  and simply want the phone to do what they’re looking for: browse the web, get easy access to social networks, youtube, google, and documents, and utilize the occasional app or game.  When both products offer similar levels of performance and do precisely what you need to, proponents of function and technical specs go Android, and those with more money than they need that prefer the aesthetic form go iOS.  iOS holds a strong share of the smartphone world, but Android can and will catch up as a result of that.

  • hoot-hoot

    we’ll in all honesty it is a god phone. when a new phone comes out, what do they compare it to? iPhone of course! you name me a phone that out sells the iPhone(any generation) and tell me its not the god of phones.

    nexus prime will blow the iPhone 4s specs out of the water.

  • mrmiddl

    “less people will be adopting Android, as well as WP7 and Blackberry for
    that matter.  It’s a shame, but the sheer demand for iPhones is going
    to explode this holiday season, and there isn’t much standing in their
    way.”
     you know what they say about ASSuming right? your saying less people will be buying other OS’s, and everyone will buy an iPhone 4s.
     David – can we revisist this after the holiday season? i would love to see an article comparing holiday phone sales. maybe Andrew can write it, as he has a firm grasp on reading crystal balls.

  • mrmiddl

    all i can say is, marriage changes us all. especially when you marry someone that is out to control and mold you into their image.

  • Vim

    What Sprint really needed from Apple to hurt T-Mobile was:

    1) The 3GS to give away for free to new sign-ups.  That combined with its highly competitive rate plans would have spelled trouble for T-Mobile on the low-end where Sprint and T-Mobile really go head to head.  (AT&T gets to give away the 3GS but their rate plans aren’t as competitively priced as Sprint’s and T-Mobile’s.)

    2) WIMAX support on the 4S. T-Mobile’s higher end customers are going to be understandably reluctant to dump HSPA+ supported Android on T-Mobile for slower Sprint IPhones that don’t support WIMAX. 

    Sprint got neither.  All I see Sprint getting out of the deal is a slightly lower churn in return for an astronomical amount of debt that will likely force higher rates on its customers at some point in the next year or two.

    • Littlesis1774

      Sprint is going to LTE and dropping WIMAX

      • Bigstuffedtiger

        Sprint’s LTE isn’t going to be launched this year.  WiMAX is what Sprint has right now. Without some sort of 4G solution, Sprint can’t compete with T-Mobile or Verizon in terms of data speed. 

  • Guest

    The real truth is that the iPhone is junk! I believe that it has nothing to do with Android over iPhone because iPhone is not really a smartphone compared to Android.

    • Anonymous

      I’m not an apple fan but your statement is pathetically stupid.

    • Littlesis1774

      well a lot of people don’t agree with you. T-mobile is going to lose a lot more customers

    • Littlesis1774

      well a lot of people don’t agree with you. T-mobile is going to lose a lot more customers

  • Giraffe

    Look at Sprint’s agreement with Apple, and the fact that they won’t be making profit on the offer for years after the agreement starts.  if T-Mobile gets purchased or anything happens to it, DT ends up shorted.  T-Mobile can plan out long-term investments, but is fundamentally unable to press the button until the merger is resolved, one way or the other.

    • That isn’t the deal, the terms of the rumored deal never came to pass. That was for the iPhone 5 according to the rumors so you can’t talk about any “deal” with Sprint because we don’t know what it looks like.

      • Maureewy

        Why do you say that? Most sites like Bloomberg are still reporting it in todays articles. 

      • Vim

        The original WSJ article did not say the deal was for the IPhone 5, only that Sprint was required to buy 30.5 million iPhones (~$20 billion worth at current rates).  It was BGR that later reported that the deal was for IPhone 5’s.  So while BGR’s source appears to have been mistaken, this does not invalidate the WSJ’s original article in any way.  Source:

        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203405504576603053795839250.html

  • rykidingme

    who cares about the iphone. im glad it didn’t come to t-mobile who needs the piece of … this site is getting ridiculous stop talking about the iphone, i come here for t-mobile news not iphone news. make another site called iphone lovers news. and keep this tmonews.

  • T Anon

    It’s simple…T-Mobile is not going to put a premium phone on their network that doesn’t offer premium data speeds.  

    iPhone is data is slow…especially when compared to Samsung Galaxy 2, even on the other networks.  

    Also, I wouldn’t pay the premium Sprint did for the iPhone.  Apple is falling into the same pattern in the 80’s.  Apple is no longer an innovative company and is trying to sue their way to greatness.  Not a good business model.

  • T Anon

    It’s simple…T-Mobile is not going to put a premium phone on their network that doesn’t offer premium data speeds.  

    iPhone is data is slow…especially when compared to Samsung Galaxy 2, even on the other networks.  

    Also, I wouldn’t pay the premium Sprint did for the iPhone.  Apple is falling into the same pattern in the 80’s.  Apple is no longer an innovative company and is trying to sue their way to greatness.  Not a good business model.

  • I dont think anyone looking at the acquisition will look at the absence of the iphone on T-Mo as any kind of indication of anything other than enough money wasnt offered to apple for them to carry it and certainly not as any kind of statement on the carrier’s worth. Seems the iphone is getting too much credit here, hasnt exactly dominated other OS’s on Verizon since it was made available, has it?

    • Maureewy

      Exactly. I think your post should be required reading but sadly others will ignore it and post how this signals A or B without and logical evidence to back it up. 

    • Maureewy

      Exactly. I think your post should be required reading but sadly others will ignore it and post how this signals A or B without and logical evidence to back it up. 

    • Mavin

      Wrong, Verizon’s top selling phone is the Iphone.  And they have had it for less than a year.  Bottom line, it would have brought significant revenue.  Maybe not enough to save Tmo but some is better than attrition of customers.

  • Brianb

    This is not a matter of Apple not wanting T-mobile.  Did you see sprint had to buy 3 years worth of Iphone upfront?  Tmobile won’t do it.  Apple is demanding a HUGE upfront pile of cash.

    T-mobile didn’t want to do this at this time.

    • Anonymous

      i think the only reason sprint got it was because it uses the same bands as Verizon tho.  it was just a matter of making it official in my opinion

  • Scudder Mersman

    Once the iPhone becomes lame and passe, then T-Mobile will get it…..i know that’s a long way off….but the day will come when it’s popularity will wane and others will surpass it’s capeabilities…..it’s inevitable.  Then, T-Mobile will get it!

  • El Jimmy

    I have to take a quick aside and rather than comment on this story, comment on the writing and opinion.

    It’s easy to understand that this isn’t a corporate news outlet with highly paid journalists behind the scenes, but I would really encourage Andrew and his counterparts to at least walk into a Writing 121 class or audit a Journalism class at their local community college or have someone proof read their articles prior to posting.

    I knew I was in for a grammatical whirlwind as soon as I read the title. “Did Apple Just Give AT&T T-Mobile?” Not only is this title not grammatically sound, but the article that follows it fails to even support it. I thought maybe I was having deja vu when I read, “they are waiting for T-Mobile to be swallowed whole…” Didn’t I just read that? No, it just feels that way because two sentences prior I read, “AT&T is going to swallow them whole.” Using such a strong allegory twice in the same paragraph is forgivable, although off-putting, but I still read on.

    The closing statements of this article indicate that, “The fact that T-Mobile is now the only major carrier without the iPhone is the biggest argument FOR the merger…” First of all, this is an acquisition, not a merger. Secondly, I have been following this acquisition very closely, reviewing news articles daily, reading opinions of the professionals who speak to the acquisition, and I have yet to come across an article which indicates that the primary reason why the deal should go through is because T-Mobile does not carry the iPhone. I haven’t been aware of congress making such an assertion, the FCC has not indicated that the iPhone is the primary determining factor, and the DOJ seems to be more concerned about competition as a whole than specific to the iPhone. In fact, neither T-Mobile nor AT&T have used the iPhone as their supporting argument and they are the companies fighting for the deal to pass. If this is in fact the biggest argument for the ‘merger’ then I’d like to see some supporting arguments and understand what merit the writer has to make such an outrageous claim. He goes on to say, “it is a significant one.” I would have made my own connection that the “biggest” argument is also a “significant” argument. There was no need to point it out.

    I truly appreciate the spirit in which this blog is maintained and I appreciate the spirit behind the articles and the writer’s desire to keep us informed. But when the articles are full of unsupported hypotheses and conjecture I loose faith in the accuracy of the information I read. I want to continue to trust TmoNews, I just hope that the writers allow for a little more attention to detail. In a time when the blog is likely reaching a pinnacle in visits from parties interested in the ensuing deal and the legal complications that come with it, I think now is the time to clean up the writing and show those new readers what you’re made of.

    • frontrowfred

      Most of us come here to reed other opinions, not reed the rants of the corection police.  You our entitled to right what yue wont, but if it bothers you that much why come hear?  Git a lyfe man!  I hope you have fun correcting this.  The articles posted are great, so what if they are not written to the HIGH STANDARDS you aspire.

      • El Jimmy

        The articles posted are great? To what standard? With what support? I agree that most of the articles are absolutely forward looking and supported with logic and fact. Comments I’ve made on other articles in the past support thought.

        The argument in this article is completely misleading and inaccurate. This is TmoNews, not TmoOpinion. I have no desire to correct the opinions left in the comments section. Opinion is what this section is for. That’s also why I leave my “rants” down here rather than insisting that they get their own headline.

        I come here because TmoNews has a history of accuracy and well thought argument. This article does not exemplify either of those traits. My comment speaks to that and I hope that’s what others see.

      • El Jimmy

        The articles posted are great? To what standard? With what support? I agree that most of the articles are absolutely forward looking and supported with logic and fact. Comments I’ve made on other articles in the past support thought.

        The argument in this article is completely misleading and inaccurate. This is TmoNews, not TmoOpinion. I have no desire to correct the opinions left in the comments section. Opinion is what this section is for. That’s also why I leave my “rants” down here rather than insisting that they get their own headline.

        I come here because TmoNews has a history of accuracy and well thought argument. This article does not exemplify either of those traits. My comment speaks to that and I hope that’s what others see.

        • jon

          I totally agree with you. Most of the time I come here to read articles or blog post supported by fact. And about 95% of the time these guys deliver great stuff. However, this post really put me off. This was a very short sighted opinion of an apple fanboy that thinks the savior of T-Mobile rest with an old iphone. Give me a freakin’ break…And the nail in the coffin graphic was equally off-putting, even before steve jobs passing. I found it childish and insensitive to all the T-Mobile employees who’s livlihoods hang in the balance. Perhaps we can get back to TmoNews and let go of the iphone envy..

        • jon

          I totally agree with you. Most of the time I come here to read articles or blog post supported by fact. And about 95% of the time these guys deliver great stuff. However, this post really put me off. This was a very short sighted opinion of an apple fanboy that thinks the savior of T-Mobile rest with an old iphone. Give me a freakin’ break…And the nail in the coffin graphic was equally off-putting, even before steve jobs passing. I found it childish and insensitive to all the T-Mobile employees who’s livlihoods hang in the balance. Perhaps we can get back to TmoNews and let go of the iphone envy..

    • Kcb764

      Did your faith come loose after you hit a pothole? Lose, it is spelled lose. You lose a little credibility when you have poor spelling.

      • El Jimmy

        Fair enough. I even had to “Like” your comment. If I’m going to go on about proof reading then I should be certain not to post a comment that included a typo in the word, “lose.” Good catch. I would have called anyone else out on it myself. :)

    • Anonymous

      Although I agree with much of what you wrote,  this is still technically a merger.  People often associate mergers with equality of some sort, however anytime you are merging entities (regardless of who is purchasing whom) it is still a merger.  

  • #tired of apple skipping over T-Mobile. I want a 4G T-Mobile iPhone, I don’t want slow ass CDMA, and I don’t want every call I make to drop (AT&T) I love T-Mobile, every customer representative and store clerk I have associated with has been extremely helpful, and never rude *cough Verizon* It’s sad that Apple is playing school bully, and has to exclude not just T-Mobile, but every single customer or possible customer that ever dreamed of an iPhone on T-Mobile. 

    • Meagan

      Tmobile does have the iPhone, just not TmobileUSA.  Tmobile sells plenty of iPhones elsewhere in our big world.  The iPhone is rated as one of Tmobiles top-selling mobiles. 
      If TmobileUSA had faith in themselves and being able to handle all the sales and commissions, then TmobileUSA would have the iPhone.

    • Meagan

      Tmobile does have the iPhone, just not TmobileUSA.  Tmobile sells plenty of iPhones elsewhere in our big world.  The iPhone is rated as one of Tmobiles top-selling mobiles. 
      If TmobileUSA had faith in themselves and being able to handle all the sales and commissions, then TmobileUSA would have the iPhone.

  • Imagine 2 iPhone 4S’s on T-mobile for $99.99 a month. People would flock to T-Mobile for that price. Thats what they needed! 

    • Bigstuffedtiger

      If only it were that easy…  For that to happen T-Mobile would have to eat a subsidy of $600 per phone.  Given how little many T-Mobile customers pay for their service, that wouldn’t leave them enough of a margin to survive, not with the minimum commitment volume of 30.5 million iphones Apple appears to be demanding.  That’s would require T-Mobile’s to sell an IPhone to nearly every single one of its customers.  Even Sprint with a somewhat larger customer base is charging $199.99 for the IPhone, and they’re going to be losing money on their $500 subsidy for years with the hope that eventually they’ll sell enough to make a very small amount of money several years down the road.  They’re praying it will help them grow their customer base. It’s a huge gamble for Sprint because that’s $20 billion they’re not going to have to spend on improving their network or customer service in the interim, two very important areas in which Verizon is rapidly pulling away on them. 

      • Vim

        I just want to clarify that by IPhone, I was referring to the IPhone 4S just as the previous poster said.

      • 21stNow

        John was referring to the monthly service cost, which is a Value Plan.  There are no phone subsidies on the Value Plan.

        • Bigstuffedtiger

          A misread on my part, nevertheless part of my argument still holds. Apple does demand a subsidy from its partners.  It doesn’t allow them to sell the phone unsubsidized.  This was why Verizon turned Apple down initially, and this is why Sprint is now going into so much debt to carry the 4S.  That said, I’m sure T-Mo would have quite a few takers on a Value Plan with an unsubsidized 4S.

  • I really don’t want to be part of the evil deathstar but I can’t wait to get an iPhone. I have been a T-Mobile customer for 90 years now and I am as loyal as they get but i’m starting to get tired of the short part of the stick. I may just leave for Sprint when my contract is up next year. 

    • If you’ve been with T-Mobile for 90 years it means you’re pretty old like over 100.  You don’t need an iPhone.  You need to save your money for your incontinence medicine prescription. 

    • LOL HEY GRANDPA :D

    • Kinglakers9999

      you dont need a phone, you will be dead soon

  • macman37

    Everyone,

    Let’s try to be strong and hold out until the FCC gives their decision on the acquisition/merger; Apple can’t take a gamble and include the 1700AWS frequency band when they don’t know it’s fate.  It may be gone when AT&T gets the green light from to use it for the future 4G LTE expansion; or hopefully it will still be around when the FCC denies the merger.  It would be a big financial loss for Apple if they included it and it gets diminished some time soon.  I personally feel that the FCC is to blame for not giving their decision sooner; if Apple and the public clearly known that the FCC is not going to allow AT&T to use T-Mobile’s frequency bands for their future 4G LTE network sooner before this past event, I strongly feel that T-Mobile would be a carrier for the iPhone.  With the DoJ not wanting any of the Big 4 networks {Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint} not merging, the best thing we can do is to encourage the FCC not to take too much time in making their decision; we already know that former FCC members are predicting that the FCC will deny this.  Another thing we can do is send messages to T-Mobile USA higher management and tell them to look into other partnerships, like the Dish Network, that would help them build out and deploy T-Mobile’s 4G LTE network faster.

  • macman37

    Everyone,

    Let’s try to be strong and hold out until the FCC gives their decision on the acquisition/merger; Apple can’t take a gamble and include the 1700AWS frequency band when they don’t know it’s fate.  It may be gone when AT&T gets the green light from to use it for the future 4G LTE expansion; or hopefully it will still be around when the FCC denies the merger.  It would be a big financial loss for Apple if they included it and it gets diminished some time soon.  I personally feel that the FCC is to blame for not giving their decision sooner; if Apple and the public clearly known that the FCC is not going to allow AT&T to use T-Mobile’s frequency bands for their future 4G LTE network sooner before this past event, I strongly feel that T-Mobile would be a carrier for the iPhone.  With the DoJ not wanting any of the Big 4 networks {Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint} not merging, the best thing we can do is to encourage the FCC not to take too much time in making their decision; we already know that former FCC members are predicting that the FCC will deny this.  Another thing we can do is send messages to T-Mobile USA higher management and tell them to look into other partnerships, like the Dish Network, that would help them build out and deploy T-Mobile’s 4G LTE network faster.

  • Willie

    My question is what happens to tmobile if the nexus prime doesn’t come to them and goes exclusively to verizon as rumors have it? No iphone, no nexus prime = fail tmobile.

  • Willie

    My question is what happens to tmobile if the nexus prime doesn’t come to them and goes exclusively to verizon as rumors have it? No iphone, no nexus prime = fail tmobile.

  • CCSS

    I was at my local TMO store yesterday and saw 2 at&t customers with iphones switching to TMO! 

  • djhjdksj

    nothing, get more customers!

  • dfrrf

    what would happen if t-mobile don’t  get the nexus prime, now that’s a whole different story, i would probably be switching to a company that gets the nexus prime. 

  • Tsg11

    I just pre-ordered the Iphone 4s and switched to Att. I’ve been with T-mobile for 8 years  I feel like their service has been getting worse. These are the reasons why I switched:
    *Bad coverage -I can live with bad coverage and I did so because I always hoped it will eventually  get better, it didn’t, I lose signal in about 50% of the buildings I walk in.
    * 3G coverage, I live on the Gulf Coast, FL and we just got 3G, but it is still very spotty. Att, Verizon and Sprint had 3G here for at least 2 years now.
    * I called customer service about some bogus premium charges on my phone that I never subscribed for.  They told me that sometimes happen it’s a third party company and the only way to be sure I stop it is to pay T-mobile $5 a month to block all premium texts. That sealed the deal for me, sealed the deal with Att that is. 

  • Tsg11

    I just pre-ordered the Iphone 4s and switched to Att. I’ve been with T-mobile for 8 years  I feel like their service has been getting worse. These are the reasons why I switched:
    *Bad coverage -I can live with bad coverage and I did so because I always hoped it will eventually  get better, it didn’t, I lose signal in about 50% of the buildings I walk in.
    * 3G coverage, I live on the Gulf Coast, FL and we just got 3G, but it is still very spotty. Att, Verizon and Sprint had 3G here for at least 2 years now.
    * I called customer service about some bogus premium charges on my phone that I never subscribed for.  They told me that sometimes happen it’s a third party company and the only way to be sure I stop it is to pay T-mobile $5 a month to block all premium texts. That sealed the deal for me, sealed the deal with Att that is. 

  • Google has phones for tmobile and apple doesn’t have the iphone for tmobile yet that’s why i like android..You have done a great job by sharing this post with us. 

  • Anonymous

    The iPhone is for the IT crowd, if you are so softheaded and superficial you deserve to be on AT&T and their crappy network.

  • Smitty

    Or maybe, T-Mobile wanted the I-Phone a while back and Apple did not want to talk to them about it. Now that the Android market has surpassed the I-Phone, T-Mobile does not need it anymore. Android phones are the wave of the future.

    • Littlesis1774

      That crap they never wanted the iphone which why they mocking it in their commercials. None of the android phones pass iphones

  • Smitty

    Or maybe, T-Mobile wanted the I-Phone a while back and Apple did not want to talk to them about it. Now that the Android market has surpassed the I-Phone, T-Mobile does not need it anymore. Android phones are the wave of the future.

  • Peachsuga

    I’m pretty much over T mobile, my contract is over in 5 months and I’ll be going else where.

  • sulugotowarp

    Here are my thoughts about this whole mess.

    Tmobile and Apple need to shape up

    Both Tmobile and Apple are acting very arrogant. Apple wants too much money and upfront buyout of the iphone from every major carrier prior to even selling the iphone. Thats good for Apple and no one else. All companies do this but not as bad as apple.

    Tmobile needs to expand and stop leaning on the merger. As much as it should happen,(and it should) Most people don’t trust the merge so it probably wont happen. So if not, Tmobile will not be better off. They will be in trouble. They probably missed the iphone over it.

    Tmobile needs to sell Phones as well as plans:I love my HTC Sensation. I like it better than the Iphone. But HTC only has a name with people who know phones. People who don’t know phones still know what the iphone is. But who knows what the sensation is? (Just an example) Plans don’t sell phones, but phones sell plans. Thats a fact. Why else would ATT be so big with such a terrible reputation? (iphone did it)This Android vs Iphone thing is for chumpsI love Android, but I believe the only reason why some bash the Iphone so much is because they can’t have it. So don’t bash because the iphone is trendy. In fact, don’t bash at all let the phones speak for themselves. Iphone users you are guilty of the same thing. Competition is good. Name calling is juvenile, and the word fanboy is for a shallow mind.Tmobile is shrinking.Tmobile is the only one of the major carriers without the iphone. If this weren’t important, we would not  be talking about it. If you hate the iphone good for you. If you love the iphone good for you. So what? This is a severe handicap, and tmobile is going to pay for this one. Android is great, but so what. The other guys have it too. No phones set us apart. We are not unique, and the plans are the only thing we have. This is not good. We will survive, but we are shrinking. It has been happening for a while now. People are leaving more than they are coming in. Iphone would have helped. Regardless of what we think. Its a shame too. Because Tmobile is the best.

  • Google has phones for tmobile and apple doesn’t have the iphone for tmobile yet

  • Erika

    My opinion is that T-Mobile Needs to do what it takes to get the iPhone no matter what.. That’s the only Way to keep them on the competition plus some of the customers will love to have the iPhone And Apple needs to Make an agreement for T-Mobile to get the iPhone as soon as possible.. I don’t know why Apple is making a big deal about giving T-Mobile The iPhone And if it is about money T-Mobile needs to give up the money so they can make one especially for T-Mobile.. I’ve been a T-Mobile customer for about eight years now But also been an AT&T customer for about 10 years now And all I’m saying is that if T-Mobile does not get an iPhone I’m going to have to let them go Because for the past 8 years I’ve been needing two phones but soon I Would only be needing one phone And of course I love T-Mobile plans but I really love AT&T iPhones And services.. T-Mobile you need to make it happen you need to get the IPhone ASAP If not You Aren’t just losing me as a customer but many more