What Happens To T-Mobile If The AT&T Deal Fizzles Out?

Yesterday’s sudden and somewhat shocking revelation that the Department of Justice was suing to block the AT&T/T-Mobile merger caught the world by storm. Now that the dust (and shock) of the news has settled, the question now being asked is…what is next for Deutsche Telekom and specifically their USA brand? An early morning article out of Bloomberg asks this very question and the answer isn’t a simple one.

When AT&T agreed to buy out T-Mobile for $39 billion this past March it was done at 28.8 times profit for DT, giving T-Mobile USA the highest valuation of any wireless carrier outside of China. If the same deal were put together today (at the same multiple AT&T was willing to pay in March) the deal would be for $12 billion less given T-Mobile USA’s current profit slump.

“They’ve got a problem on their hands with T-Mobile,” Brian Barish, Denver-based president of Cambiar Investors LLC, which oversees about $8 billion, said in a telephone interview. Deutsche Telekom isn’t “going to get as much money as they were hoping. It’s basically damaged goods, T-Mobile. They are going to have to figure out a plan B strategy that is mindful of that unavoidable reality,” he said.

While Deutsche Telekom declined a comment to Bloomberg regarding how much T-Mobile USA would be worth to another buyer other than AT&T, the fact remains that nobody will ever offer the same dollar amount. AT&T, DT and other organizations that support the T-Mobile deal plan to fight the DOJ lawsuit but pushing the deal ahead is now more difficult today than it was this same time yesterday. AT&T could still push the deal through albeit with significant divestments and conditions for coverage buildout and job creation, they stand to lose almost $6 billion in cash and spectrum if they fail to close the deal.

The sudden news of the DOJ announcement offered plenty of speculation that a Sprint deal could be a real possibility should the AT&T offer fall apart. Often thought to be the real white knight for T-Mobile USA before the AT&T offer, the DOJ announcement doesn’t seem like they would accept Sprint either as a likely suitor. One of the more popular interpretations of the DOJ lawsuit is that they don’t want any of the large wireless carriers banding together, especially T-Mobile.

“A plain reading of the DOJ’s complaint makes it clear that a Sprint/T-Mobile pairing would be equally unacceptable,” Craig Moffett, New-York-based analyst wrote. “T-Mobile USA may well be forced to remain independent. The prospects of any other deal, including one with Sprint, are also very poor.”

So Deutsche Telekom maybe be forced to think about whether or not they wish to roll up their sleeves pending the end to the AT&T talks and make a serious commitment to the US market or they have to find a more suitable buyer and accept a lower asking price. So who are suitable buyers? Sascha Segan from PCMag attempted to answer that yesterday:

  • Google: Few people see this happening as their Android business relies on it not competing with its own customers and given its recent purchase of Motorola, AT&T and Verizon might be very unhappy should Google push to grab T-Mobile.
  • Cable Companies (Comcast, Time-Warner, Cox, Centurylink, Dish…): Cable companies have long said they want to make headroom in the wireless marketplace. Dish may be a suitable buyer with $3 billion in broadband spectrum already under its belt. Dish could have a nationwide wireless network at their fingertips and could combine their existing spectrum with T-Mobile’s to create a 4G network.
  • Investors: The VC crowd might take a gamble on a T-Mobile USA purchase if they have a solid plan to end up with a significant profit. T-Mobile USA’s profit has declined but wireless is still a profitable business and there may be plenty of investor-executive types who think they can run Tmo USA better than what Deutsche Telekom has done.

A number of other possible names and business floating around such as America Movil, Wind Telecom, Apple and of course Sprint remains at the top of any list. It’s tough to say who are the real possibles given the size of the investment needed to not only purchase T-Mobile, but also to purchase additional spectrum in order to continue growing the network.

The fact of the matter is that this deal isn’t dead and while yesterday was a victory, the war isn’t over yet and this deal still has a long way to go before it’s completely dead. Something tells us AT&T is just getting started with their fight to win over the government and we certainly expect them to throw plenty of money around to help make a victory happen.

Bloomberg; PCMag

 

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  • Jimkenobi

    I am hopeful for a merger with a cable company. It seems like the most logical move for getting approved. cable providers have the cash and the motivation to grow their customer base with the increased competition for tv and internet.

  • Jimkenobi

    I am hopeful for a merger with a cable company. It seems like the most logical move for getting approved. cable providers have the cash and the motivation to grow their customer base with the increased competition for tv and internet.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, they can compete with ATT, that has tv, phone, internet, wireless.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, they can compete with ATT, that has tv, phone, internet, wireless.

    • *samehere*

    • *samehere*

    • AT&t and Verizon both already provide landline based services to the home and this might be logical for many people.  However, i’m disgusted at the way cable companies act towards customers in general and things like the Tie Warner bill in north Carolina. 
      I pay a high price for often crappy service and customer service for internet, but as it’s a market monopoly (ok, i can go Quest/Centurylink on DSL and pay the same high price). 

      Cable companies nickel and dime much worse than cell phone companies and so while I can see the logic, I can also see them matching AT&T and Verizon on price, and T-Mobiles valued customer service going to way of most cable companies.

      In addition, i’m worried this would stifle innovation and improvements, plus our ability to use fully the features of our cell phones.  I don’t want a cell phone carrier that has a vested interest in me keeping a landline.  I don’t want to buy fast mobile internet from a company that has a vested interest in making sure I stay on cable/DSL/slower connections. And i certainly don’t want to have to “bundle” in a TV subscription to keep Cell Phone service affordable.

      Cable companies get away with crap like this:
      My internet right now is ok price due to huge arguments with customer service, otherwise would be $65/month for just internet ($45 if i paid $40 extra to have TV as well) – my offer periods have expired and the competition offers are for bundles only, and so there’s no point trying to switch every 6 months like some do.

    • AT&t and Verizon both already provide landline based services to the home and this might be logical for many people.  However, i’m disgusted at the way cable companies act towards customers in general and things like the Tie Warner bill in north Carolina. 
      I pay a high price for often crappy service and customer service for internet, but as it’s a market monopoly (ok, i can go Quest/Centurylink on DSL and pay the same high price). 

      Cable companies nickel and dime much worse than cell phone companies and so while I can see the logic, I can also see them matching AT&T and Verizon on price, and T-Mobiles valued customer service going to way of most cable companies.

      In addition, i’m worried this would stifle innovation and improvements, plus our ability to use fully the features of our cell phones.  I don’t want a cell phone carrier that has a vested interest in me keeping a landline.  I don’t want to buy fast mobile internet from a company that has a vested interest in making sure I stay on cable/DSL/slower connections. And i certainly don’t want to have to “bundle” in a TV subscription to keep Cell Phone service affordable.

      Cable companies get away with crap like this:
      My internet right now is ok price due to huge arguments with customer service, otherwise would be $65/month for just internet ($45 if i paid $40 extra to have TV as well) – my offer periods have expired and the competition offers are for bundles only, and so there’s no point trying to switch every 6 months like some do.

    • AT&t and Verizon both already provide landline based services to the home and this might be logical for many people.  However, i’m disgusted at the way cable companies act towards customers in general and things like the Tie Warner bill in north Carolina. 
      I pay a high price for often crappy service and customer service for internet, but as it’s a market monopoly (ok, i can go Quest/Centurylink on DSL and pay the same high price). 

      Cable companies nickel and dime much worse than cell phone companies and so while I can see the logic, I can also see them matching AT&T and Verizon on price, and T-Mobiles valued customer service going to way of most cable companies.

      In addition, i’m worried this would stifle innovation and improvements, plus our ability to use fully the features of our cell phones.  I don’t want a cell phone carrier that has a vested interest in me keeping a landline.  I don’t want to buy fast mobile internet from a company that has a vested interest in making sure I stay on cable/DSL/slower connections. And i certainly don’t want to have to “bundle” in a TV subscription to keep Cell Phone service affordable.

      Cable companies get away with crap like this:
      My internet right now is ok price due to huge arguments with customer service, otherwise would be $65/month for just internet ($45 if i paid $40 extra to have TV as well) – my offer periods have expired and the competition offers are for bundles only, and so there’s no point trying to switch every 6 months like some do.

    • AT&t and Verizon both already provide landline based services to the home and this might be logical for many people.  However, i’m disgusted at the way cable companies act towards customers in general and things like the Tie Warner bill in north Carolina. 
      I pay a high price for often crappy service and customer service for internet, but as it’s a market monopoly (ok, i can go Quest/Centurylink on DSL and pay the same high price). 

      Cable companies nickel and dime much worse than cell phone companies and so while I can see the logic, I can also see them matching AT&T and Verizon on price, and T-Mobiles valued customer service going to way of most cable companies.

      In addition, i’m worried this would stifle innovation and improvements, plus our ability to use fully the features of our cell phones.  I don’t want a cell phone carrier that has a vested interest in me keeping a landline.  I don’t want to buy fast mobile internet from a company that has a vested interest in making sure I stay on cable/DSL/slower connections. And i certainly don’t want to have to “bundle” in a TV subscription to keep Cell Phone service affordable.

      Cable companies get away with crap like this:
      My internet right now is ok price due to huge arguments with customer service, otherwise would be $65/month for just internet ($45 if i paid $40 extra to have TV as well) – my offer periods have expired and the competition offers are for bundles only, and so there’s no point trying to switch every 6 months like some do.

    • Anonymous

      I would love Xfinity Mobile.  I have Comcast cable and internet but have interest in a cable home phone.  A cable mobile phone however very much so makes sense.  

      Cable won’t be “cable” forever anyway.  

    • Anonymous

      I would love Xfinity Mobile.  I have Comcast cable and internet but have interest in a cable home phone.  A cable mobile phone however very much so makes sense.  

      Cable won’t be “cable” forever anyway.  

  • Jimkenobi

    I am hopeful for a merger with a cable company. It seems like the most logical move for getting approved. cable providers have the cash and the motivation to grow their customer base with the increased competition for tv and internet.

  • Anonymous

    This might sound implausible, but perhaps several cable companies should join forces and form a holding company to buy tMobile and agree to a geographic based revenue sharing agreement. It sounds zany, but, it might be better for them than a ‘partnership’ and it would get them into the game. They could each lease the lines in their area but with the added exception that they share in the dividends of their carrier.

    • I like this a lot – perhaps T-Mo’s MVNO’s, along with Cincinnati Bell and Wind (I.e all the North American AWS providers) can do it.  After all, if someone buys t-mo and takes them off AWS, their business will get hurt because the motivation for manufacturers to make devices supporting AWS bands will be majorly reduced.

      Plus, they can claimm a unified north american network and offer cross boarder coverage with no additional fees for doing so – a nice unique selling point.  If any mexican carriers have AWS get them involved as well.

    • I like this a lot – perhaps T-Mo’s MVNO’s, along with Cincinnati Bell and Wind (I.e all the North American AWS providers) can do it.  After all, if someone buys t-mo and takes them off AWS, their business will get hurt because the motivation for manufacturers to make devices supporting AWS bands will be majorly reduced.

      Plus, they can claimm a unified north american network and offer cross boarder coverage with no additional fees for doing so – a nice unique selling point.  If any mexican carriers have AWS get them involved as well.

  • Derek Johnson

    Of course T-Mobile does get a big chunk of change should the deal fall through.   

    • JustMe

      No. That’s a common misunderstanding – that $3 billion poison pill does not go to T-Mobile USA, but to Deutsche Telekom. What will DT do with it? That’s another question altogether.

  • Johnny Wishbone

    At the end of the day, Deutsche Telekom does not want to do business in the USA and will sell to the highest bidder no matter what. If this deal falls through, there will be another one coming up sooner than later……T-Mobile is a sinking ship unless a new company is interested in bringing it back to life with fresh ideas

    • Jcj1

      You do realize they would have  good size share of ATT if deal goes through, they just don’t want to be the main operator

  • Johnny Wishbone

    At the end of the day, Deutsche Telekom does not want to do business in the USA and will sell to the highest bidder no matter what. If this deal falls through, there will be another one coming up sooner than later……T-Mobile is a sinking ship unless a new company is interested in bringing it back to life with fresh ideas

  • Anonymous

    I think Tmobile needs a investor and better management and they will be okay.  Would be cool if google would buy them, but it might hurt android.

  • Anonymous

    I think Tmobile needs a investor and better management and they will be okay.  Would be cool if google would buy them, but it might hurt android.

    • Dodo

      Amaziing offert , i cant believe this!! me and my sister just got two i-pads for $42.77 each and a $50 amazon card for $9. the stores want to keep this a secret and they dont tell you. go here, http://www.bidsbug.com ./.

    • Dodo

      Amaziing offert , i cant believe this!! me and my sister just got two i-pads for $42.77 each and a $50 amazon card for $9. the stores want to keep this a secret and they dont tell you. go here, http://www.bidsbug.com ./.

  • Alex wardlaw

    come on GOOGLE.. WE WANT G-Mobile… It would make Apple crap a golden twinkie!!… Google wireless with Android phones… THEY have the MONEY… No hiding that…

    • IT Guy

      From the article:

      Google: Few people see this happening as their Android business relies on it not competing with its own customers and given its recent purchase of Motorola, AT&T and Verizon might be very unhappy should Google push to grab T-Mobile.

    • I want choice – Android is good now but in a couple of years time it
      might be Windows Phone 9 or maybe Rim will do something amazing or someone
      else, something we haven’t even thought of yet.  I don’t want my
      provider to make cell phones or cell phone OS’s.  Be careful what you
      wish for.

      I agree with IT Guy though, i doubt it will happen. But if Google buys them, i’m almost as likely to leave t-mo than i was when the AT&T deal was on.

      • IT Guy

        I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Google hasn’t made any inquiries or expressed any interest.

      • IT Guy

        I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Google hasn’t made any inquiries or expressed any interest.

    • I want choice – Android is good now but in a couple of years time it
      might be Windows Phone 9 or maybe Rim will do something amazing or someone
      else, something we haven’t even thought of yet.  I don’t want my
      provider to make cell phones or cell phone OS’s.  Be careful what you
      wish for.

      I agree with IT Guy though, i doubt it will happen. But if Google buys them, i’m almost as likely to leave t-mo than i was when the AT&T deal was on.

  • Alex wardlaw

    come on GOOGLE.. WE WANT G-Mobile… It would make Apple crap a golden twinkie!!… Google wireless with Android phones… THEY have the MONEY… No hiding that…

  • IT Guy

    I suspect that any possible buyers are going to sit back for a bit and wait to see what happens.

  • IT Guy

    I suspect that any possible buyers are going to sit back for a bit and wait to see what happens.

  • Anonymous

    google should buy um. 

  • Anonymous

    “AT&T could still push the deal through albeit with significant divestments and conditions for coverage buildout and job creation”

    They won’t stoop low enough.

  • Anonymous

    “AT&T could still push the deal through albeit with significant divestments and conditions for coverage buildout and job creation”

    They won’t stoop low enough.

  • Anonymous

    “AT&T could still push the deal through albeit with significant divestments and conditions for coverage buildout and job creation”

    They won’t stoop low enough.

    • derek 21

      The poster is correct, it’s far from over, the last case they filed an injunction for anti-trust suit, they allowed the company to divest assests just like at &t has been planning all along.

      • Anonymous

        But are they willing to divest ENOUGH to make the deal go through?  At some point, keeping $39B in your pocket(minus $3B cash) sounds like a better option than to get rid of loads of assets.  I dunno but it will be entertaining as it has been.

    • derek 21

      The poster is correct, it’s far from over, the last case they filed an injunction for anti-trust suit, they allowed the company to divest assests just like at &t has been planning all along.

  • TMoFan

    I predict that a true merger, with DT and another entity owning a stake in the venture, will emerge. The least likely thing I think won’t happen is DT stripping T-Mobile and selling the parts. We have seen many companies express interest in forming such partnerships that are more appetizing than selling the pieces like that. Also keep in mind that DT wins big with this sellout because they will have an 8% stake in at&t and will be its largest shareholder. As long as at&t does good, they will do good all without lifting a finger. What would be interesting is if the cable companies form a venture and buy T-Mobile. I know Cox is into wireless now, albeit as a Sprint MVNO, but until recently they were building out a 3G network. I would have no problem with them buying T-Mobile. It would the cash it cash it needs to make the right investments and would be so much better for consumers and the marketplace. There could be other players out there too that may want to take a stab at T-Mobile. We know DT was in talks with Sprint and, secretly, at&t but we don’t know who else else they were talking to behind closed doors. This thing will at&t is unraveling and with potential costly litigation and uncertainty I think we’re going to see more companies come forward with interest. T-Mobile isn’t a bad company, it’s just under misguided leadership.

  • TMoFan

    I predict that a true merger, with DT and another entity owning a stake in the venture, will emerge. The least likely thing I think won’t happen is DT stripping T-Mobile and selling the parts. We have seen many companies express interest in forming such partnerships that are more appetizing than selling the pieces like that. Also keep in mind that DT wins big with this sellout because they will have an 8% stake in at&t and will be its largest shareholder. As long as at&t does good, they will do good all without lifting a finger. What would be interesting is if the cable companies form a venture and buy T-Mobile. I know Cox is into wireless now, albeit as a Sprint MVNO, but until recently they were building out a 3G network. I would have no problem with them buying T-Mobile. It would the cash it cash it needs to make the right investments and would be so much better for consumers and the marketplace. There could be other players out there too that may want to take a stab at T-Mobile. We know DT was in talks with Sprint and, secretly, at&t but we don’t know who else else they were talking to behind closed doors. This thing will at&t is unraveling and with potential costly litigation and uncertainty I think we’re going to see more companies come forward with interest. T-Mobile isn’t a bad company, it’s just under misguided leadership.

  • jon

    I don’t agree with the article that google is a long shot. They have their sites on Apple. If they “upset verizon and at&t” so what. At&t android lineup has always sucked anyway and they will always be iphone fanboys. As far as verizon, they threw their droid line to the curb once the iphone was in the fold. Google no longer needs verizon to further androids popularity. Android has been out long enough it can stand on its own legs. Google makes perfect sense and can not only snag the deal of the century, but can be the white knight t-mob has been waiting for…

  • jon

    I don’t agree with the article that google is a long shot. They have their sites on Apple. If they “upset verizon and at&t” so what. At&t android lineup has always sucked anyway and they will always be iphone fanboys. As far as verizon, they threw their droid line to the curb once the iphone was in the fold. Google no longer needs verizon to further androids popularity. Android has been out long enough it can stand on its own legs. Google makes perfect sense and can not only snag the deal of the century, but can be the white knight t-mob has been waiting for…

    • I agree with you.

      Personally I think the competition concerns with Google are overblown. Google’s relationship has not been with carriers (indeed, AT&T has been positively hostile towards Google), but with manufacturers, and even they have been happy to welcome Google as a friendly “competitor” – virtually all Google’s partners support the Motorola acquisition.

      Google would need to run T-Mobile at arm’s length, just as it’s planning to with Motorola, but there are synergies (urgh) there it can exploit nonetheless.

      – G-Mobile guarantees that anything Google wants to try that’s experimental will have at least one supportive carrier.
      – G-Mobile can provide wireless broadband for services like GoogleTV on Google’s terms.
      – G-Mobile can provide opportunities for Google to move services like Google Voice out of its Internet ghetto.

      Moreover, it’s in Google’s best interests to have a T-Mobile like carrier around. There’s a reason they partnered with T-Mobile for Android. The other carriers would have insisted on a locked down, iPhone-like, system. Google proved that wasn’t necessary, and T-Mobile was the only operator with the attitude to test it.

      In many ways, it’s not so much the case that Google can afford to buy T-Mobile – it’s that they can’t afford not to.

  • OTHER CARRIERS
    Suitable buyers in my opinion, should most likely come from outside the US, but whether T-Mobile would consider selling to a international competitor like Vodafone i’m not sure, but for me, something like that would be the best solution – a recognized carrier name with credible relations with cell phone manufacturers from doing business in other areas of the world.

    Or perhaps Wind could buy them and create a unified US and Canada network on AWS (perhaps Cincinnati bell or T-Mo’s MVNO’s could join in too and form a conglomerate who could make this happen more easily.  

    T-Mo’s profit has declined for sure, but some of this is on the back of the proposed merger and you would find a lot of customers signing on to new contracts if the merger falls through (myself included).

    GOOGLE
    And certainly, I don’t fancy either Google or a cable company getting involved here.  Google are taking over everything, but they are by no means the world saviors, nor are they holier than Apple or Microsoft.  I wouldn’t want any one of these three (or any other cell phone hardware or platform maker for that matter) to take over providing service.  I want choice and that really means a operation who isn’t tied down to any specific platform or manufacturer.

    CABLE
    And as for cable companies, if our experience of how Comcast, Cox, Quest and Mediacom operate in their market monopolies is anything to go by, this is a horrible idea.  One nice customer benefit could be cheaper service for those who also have phone/tv/internet from that provider, but you can bet your phone will be locked out for teathering and VOIP (enjoyed and expected thru much of the world from cell phone service providers who COMPETE against landline internet service providers).

    JUST KEEP IT
    No, T-Mobile, take the money and spectrum from AT&T, build out your network, keep offering great rates – there are customers who will buy your product as long as they know they are not going to be AT&T customers. That would be the best thing over all, for everyone.  And if T-Mo profits 2 years later haven’t improved, sell to someone who knows wireless outside the US big 4.

  • OTHER CARRIERS
    Suitable buyers in my opinion, should most likely come from outside the US, but whether T-Mobile would consider selling to a international competitor like Vodafone i’m not sure, but for me, something like that would be the best solution – a recognized carrier name with credible relations with cell phone manufacturers from doing business in other areas of the world.

    Or perhaps Wind could buy them and create a unified US and Canada network on AWS (perhaps Cincinnati bell or T-Mo’s MVNO’s could join in too and form a conglomerate who could make this happen more easily.  

    T-Mo’s profit has declined for sure, but some of this is on the back of the proposed merger and you would find a lot of customers signing on to new contracts if the merger falls through (myself included).

    GOOGLE
    And certainly, I don’t fancy either Google or a cable company getting involved here.  Google are taking over everything, but they are by no means the world saviors, nor are they holier than Apple or Microsoft.  I wouldn’t want any one of these three (or any other cell phone hardware or platform maker for that matter) to take over providing service.  I want choice and that really means a operation who isn’t tied down to any specific platform or manufacturer.

    CABLE
    And as for cable companies, if our experience of how Comcast, Cox, Quest and Mediacom operate in their market monopolies is anything to go by, this is a horrible idea.  One nice customer benefit could be cheaper service for those who also have phone/tv/internet from that provider, but you can bet your phone will be locked out for teathering and VOIP (enjoyed and expected thru much of the world from cell phone service providers who COMPETE against landline internet service providers).

    JUST KEEP IT
    No, T-Mobile, take the money and spectrum from AT&T, build out your network, keep offering great rates – there are customers who will buy your product as long as they know they are not going to be AT&T customers. That would be the best thing over all, for everyone.  And if T-Mo profits 2 years later haven’t improved, sell to someone who knows wireless outside the US big 4.

  • If it fizzles out they can use 3 billion to up things around there. Attract some new customers.

  • If it fizzles out they can use 3 billion to up things around there. Attract some new customers.

    • IT Guy

      The problem is that money goes to DT and not T-Mobile, and they’re unlikely to reinvest it here.

      • Money isn’t the only part of the payment, there’s also spectrum that’ll be handed over to T-Mobile. DT isn’t going to have much use for US spectrum except through T-Mobile ;-)

      • Money isn’t the only part of the payment, there’s also spectrum that’ll be handed over to T-Mobile. DT isn’t going to have much use for US spectrum except through T-Mobile ;-)

        • IT Guy

          True, true. Although spectrum is like gold these days. That can be auctioned off in a heartbeat.

        • IT Guy

          True, true. Although spectrum is like gold these days. That can be auctioned off in a heartbeat.

      • Money isn’t the only part of the payment, there’s also spectrum that’ll be handed over to T-Mobile. DT isn’t going to have much use for US spectrum except through T-Mobile ;-)

    • IT Guy

      The problem is that money goes to DT and not T-Mobile, and they’re unlikely to reinvest it here.

    • I wonder how much the deal falling through will actually attract new customers.  Basically people who are thinking they would sign up or renew with T-Mobile but AT&T are buying them and they don’t want AT&T.

    • I wonder how much the deal falling through will actually attract new customers.  Basically people who are thinking they would sign up or renew with T-Mobile but AT&T are buying them and they don’t want AT&T.

      • DetroitTechnoFan

        I’d be buying a new Exhibit 4G if it weren’t for this, but I don’t want to buy a brick!

    • I wonder how much the deal falling through will actually attract new customers.  Basically people who are thinking they would sign up or renew with T-Mobile but AT&T are buying them and they don’t want AT&T.

  • Maschwar77

    God help us all if America Movil comes in. They have enough problems with running Tracfone. I left Straight Talk for T-Mobile. I got rid of the outsourced customer service.

  • Maschwar77

    God help us all if America Movil comes in. They have enough problems with running Tracfone. I left Straight Talk for T-Mobile. I got rid of the outsourced customer service.

    • ogopogo

      You think that’s bad?? try being an AT&T customer! Been there. Done that. Never again. Two tin cans and a big ball of string is better.

    • ogopogo

      You think that’s bad?? try being an AT&T customer! Been there. Done that. Never again. Two tin cans and a big ball of string is better.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah Dish would make a play for the network . Other companies would as well . I would bet another global company would buy TMO to break into the American market .

    • MIKEEEEE

      how about dish, direct, the cable companies, the wimax companies, a canadian company and a mexican company and google all anteing up with a good management team that doesn’t have to answer to a foreign parent company.

      just on the bundling of services they would gain market share.

    • MIKEEEEE

      how about dish, direct, the cable companies, the wimax companies, a canadian company and a mexican company and google all anteing up with a good management team that doesn’t have to answer to a foreign parent company.

      just on the bundling of services they would gain market share.

    • MIKEEEEE

      how about dish, direct, the cable companies, the wimax companies, a canadian company and a mexican company and google all anteing up with a good management team that doesn’t have to answer to a foreign parent company.

      just on the bundling of services they would gain market share.

  • Pagozahd

    WHERE IS MICROSOFT WHEN YOU NEED THEM =D

    • ogopogo

      Ummm… They have already voiced that they WANT this takeover/merger to go through.

  • Pagozahd

    WHERE IS MICROSOFT WHEN YOU NEED THEM =D

  • Hamzaqudah2010

    How about viacom?????

  • Hamzaqudah2010

    How about viacom?????

  • MIKEEEEE

    not to worry.

    right now bunches and bunches of really smart guys are on the phones trying to line up financing and alliances.

    maybe we all might get lucky and a new/old wireless carrier will emerge.

    VOICESTREAM

    the possibilities are endless right now.

    the mantra to remember is……………..

    money talks, B/S walks.

    39 billion and 8% of ATT at today’s market cap that’s about 20 billion more, no wonder they were so eager to sell us out.

  • MIKEEEEE

    not to worry.

    right now bunches and bunches of really smart guys are on the phones trying to line up financing and alliances.

    maybe we all might get lucky and a new/old wireless carrier will emerge.

    VOICESTREAM

    the possibilities are endless right now.

    the mantra to remember is……………..

    money talks, B/S walks.

    39 billion and 8% of ATT at today’s market cap that’s about 20 billion more, no wonder they were so eager to sell us out.

  • Fan_of_none

    Everybody is forgetting the two big players in the Americas, America Movil from Mexico, with more than 120 million users and Telefonica Spain, with more than 150 million.  They are going head to head all over latinamerica and for them, US is the last frontier.

  • Fan_of_none

    Everybody is forgetting the two big players in the Americas, America Movil from Mexico, with more than 120 million users and Telefonica Spain, with more than 150 million.  They are going head to head all over latinamerica and for them, US is the last frontier.

  • Fan_of_none

    Everybody is forgetting the two big players in the Americas, America Movil from Mexico, with more than 120 million users and Telefonica Spain, with more than 150 million.  They are going head to head all over latinamerica and for them, US is the last frontier.

  • Emilystone32

    Wat about vodafone, o2, movistar, orange, mtc russia, netcom Norway, telia sonera Finland ?etc.. they all European GSM companies I think one of them should buy out T-Mobile to break in the American market if att fails to do so..

    • Anonymous

      How about 3?

    • Anonymous

      How about 3?

    • Hamster

      Vodafone already owns 49% of Verizon Wireless.

    • Hamster

      Vodafone already owns 49% of Verizon Wireless.

  • Emilystone32

    Wat about vodafone, o2, movistar, orange, mtc russia, netcom Norway, telia sonera Finland ?etc.. they all European GSM companies I think one of them should buy out T-Mobile to break in the American market if att fails to do so..

  • Anonymous

    i know rodgers from canada has showed interested, maybe even vodaphone.I dont want a cable company to buy tmo though, not to many people actually like cable companies.  I mean tmo finally has a awesome line up of phones now.  IF we get someone who actually knows who to run a freaking business, we could be back at number 3 before long.

    • shendoh

      Bring back Powertel!  Yes, I’ve been with T-Mobile for that long…

      • Frigadroid

        Me too. The original ghetto phone with the free incoming first minute. Talk about coverage problems we came a long way from those days. Back then you would pick a phone because it was smaller and had a few perks like alarm, calculator, expanded phone book. I had a nokia pimped out like a disco with blinking antenna and back lights lol.

    • shendoh

      Bring back Powertel!  Yes, I’ve been with T-Mobile for that long…

  • In a distant past the DOJ blocked a merger between two satellite companies. Well one company got bought by a large company and with sound leadership they emerge in excellent shape. Now that Company has over 30 million subscribers and investors are pleased.

  • Nearmsp

    The deal is still binding until 2012 September. It can happen earlier if the Justice department does some “deal” and withdraws the blockage. The deal can untangle if AT&T decides to pay T-mobile $3 billion cash and $3 billion in-kind as break up fee if they decide not to go through the court in an election year. Once the deal breaks, ONLY then can other players enter the fray. Right now T-mobile is still AT&T’s fiance and no other suitor is allowed anywhere near!

  • I think government should buy it and call it National Mobile (Just like ObamaCare) which will be cheap and for some it will be free of cost. Mobile broadband for everybody…lol

    • Jeremiah

      And who would pay for it? Oh right the hardworking taxpayers who are already forking over arm and limb for all the other entitlement programs…

      I know you might be joking, but that isn’t something to joke about these days.

    • the_truth

      Yeah. Great idea. A free Chevy and cellphone with your welfare check. Deal!

  • DetroitTechnoFan

    I say, spin it off and have them run as an independent company no longer affiliated with DT.

  • At &t can suck it.

    How many net new subscribers does att have without merger and without iPhone activations. The answer is not very many. The iPhone is the only thing growing Atts business. What does the landscape look like with tmobile and sprint having iPhones. Do you want to pay 30 percent more for att and Verizon. Tmobile is awesome. It is pure and simple with access to the iPhone tmo or sprint takes att and Verizon’s lunch. I am an android g2 user and own an iPad2 wifi currently on tom g2 in hot spot mode. I’ll go to sprint before I’m sold.

  • At &t can suck it.

    How many net new subscribers does att have without merger and without iPhone activations. The answer is not very many. The iPhone is the only thing growing Atts business. What does the landscape look like with tmobile and sprint having iPhones. Do you want to pay 30 percent more for att and Verizon. Tmobile is awesome. It is pure and simple with access to the iPhone tmo or sprint takes att and Verizon’s lunch. I am an android g2 user and own an iPad2 wifi currently on tom g2 in hot spot mode. I’ll go to sprint before I’m sold.

  • zacamandapio

    First thing would be to have a week long party!!!
    Ok. Seriously, I would like for Tmobile to continue to do business as an independent company.  DT wants out of the US and I don’t blame them.  No German Corporation is allowed to have a huge piece of the pie on any industry here in the US. 
    DT has tons of money and Tmobile could’ve had the next generation mobile technology but I guess DT doesn’t want to deal with Tmobile USA anymore?
    Remember when the US held the spectrum for the longest that way Tmobile was the last one to the “3G” party?
    Stay in the USA Tmobile USA.  Upgrade and expand the current HSDPA+ network and make it +++ up to the 600mbps that Ericsson tested in Europe!!!.

  • Yaddamaster

    I love me my TMobile. I’ve been a customer since VoiceStream days. But I’ve done a bunch of travelling over the summer and frankly, I’m tired of being the only person in the group who regularly doesn’t get data coverage (while my Verizon friends do) and often doesn’t get voice coverage either (Verizon and ATT – full bars) and I’m not that far off the beaten track. Leave the interstate or major state highway and you’re SOL for data for sure.
    I’m getting tired of it. I get a great deal on data (grandfathered in @ $20mo) but really, for an extra $120 a year I can get real coverage. I’m tempted. Really, really tempted.

    • Carlosdetexas

      That is what happened to me.  My work moved to an area just outside of town and there was no data, only 2G and sometimes it dropped down to GPRS.  I tried Sprint and Verizon but eventually found that ATT had the best coverage where I needed coverage.  I was a loyal T-mobile customer since Voicestream days as well but if it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work.  I’ve been with ATT since April and so far so good.  Yes I pay more but everything works everywhere I go.  That is worth the extra money for me. 

      • Anonymous

        Sounds like you both have already been screwed by AT&T because they won’t allow T-Mobile roaming. The failure of the deal hopefully would fix that.

        Meantime, switch to the carrier that works best for you.

    • Kerry

      I enjoyed T-Mobile and it was a great refuge from the AT&T Cingular buyout.  I paid less and got great service.  But these days we are more active, we are hiking and going places and more often than not we didn’t have cell coverage much less data (I could live without data, but not being able to make a call?).

      My wife wanted a smartphone and we had separate accounts.   Trying to combine the lines with TMO was a hassle and they wanted $100.  With the looming buyout and uncertainty we jumped ship.  She gets a 22% discount with Verizon through her work.  Yes we pay more than we would have with T-Mobile but that increase gets us much better coverage.

      I will continue to follow T-Mobile and TMO News and see what happens, but the sense I’m getting is a sinking ship so I got off.

    • Kerry

      I enjoyed T-Mobile and it was a great refuge from the AT&T Cingular buyout.  I paid less and got great service.  But these days we are more active, we are hiking and going places and more often than not we didn’t have cell coverage much less data (I could live without data, but not being able to make a call?).

      My wife wanted a smartphone and we had separate accounts.   Trying to combine the lines with TMO was a hassle and they wanted $100.  With the looming buyout and uncertainty we jumped ship.  She gets a 22% discount with Verizon through her work.  Yes we pay more than we would have with T-Mobile but that increase gets us much better coverage.

      I will continue to follow T-Mobile and TMO News and see what happens, but the sense I’m getting is a sinking ship so I got off.

  • Mopar6464

    If this deal falls through completely and T-Mobile USA does’nt get the Iphone , Their done.
    DT might as well start plan B right now and sell it off.
    Because cheap rate plans without any plans to expand to full coverage 4G/LTE like the other 3 are already doing will do them in.

    • MrBonez

      OMG, what’s with people thinking that a certain carrier HAS to have a damned iPhone in able to survive. That was one of AT&T’s problems cause they only ran iPhone as their main phone. Screw Apple and their “precious” iPhone!! Last I heard and read is that Android phones have been “outselling” the iPhone by a good margin, so what’s so special about the iPhone? Nothing as far as I can see.

  • Anonymous

    Private equity would destroy T-mobile USA.  They’d load it up with so much debt that it will guarantee an inevitable bankuptcy and all of us customers would be screwed as they tried to extract more profits.

    If we reduce the deal down to $27 billion, you’re talking about a deal that’s far too big for most companies in telecommunication to swallow when wireless isn’t their core business.  Plus you’re taking about a distressed property.   Then throw in someone like Comcast as a buyer and you have a company who is actually worse than AT&T for customer service and pricing.   Dish Network is far too small of a company.  Maybe at best you could see Dish  take its’ spectrum and partner up like Sprint is doing with Lightsquared and some cable companies.

    Anyways, it’s nice to see David post a more realistic article that shows it’s probably going to be just as terrible without AT&T for us T-mobile customers. Especially if Sprint can’t even buy T-mobile USA anymore.  They were the only realistic buyers left for T-mobile USA.

  • Anonymous

    Private equity would destroy T-mobile USA.  They’d load it up with so much debt that it will guarantee an inevitable bankuptcy and all of us customers would be screwed as they tried to extract more profits.

    If we reduce the deal down to $27 billion, you’re talking about a deal that’s far too big for most companies in telecommunication to swallow when wireless isn’t their core business.  Plus you’re taking about a distressed property.   Then throw in someone like Comcast as a buyer and you have a company who is actually worse than AT&T for customer service and pricing.   Dish Network is far too small of a company.  Maybe at best you could see Dish  take its’ spectrum and partner up like Sprint is doing with Lightsquared and some cable companies.

    Anyways, it’s nice to see David post a more realistic article that shows it’s probably going to be just as terrible without AT&T for us T-mobile customers. Especially if Sprint can’t even buy T-mobile USA anymore.  They were the only realistic buyers left for T-mobile USA.

    • ogopogo

      You seem to imply that the rest of the world does not exist. You know, other cell phone companies exist outside of the US, right?

      • Anonymous

        You do realize that T-mobile USA is already owned by a foreign company, right?

        If one foreign company can’t make it work, what makes you think another one could make it work when there are zero synergies with such a deal? 

        Plus the fact there was no interest from foreign buyers when T-mobile USA was first shopped around.

        • ogopogo

          Is your comment serious?

          “If one foreign company can’t make it work, what makes you think another
          one could make it work when there are zero synergies with such a deal?”

          “Zero synergies”??

          So, by your conclusions, no one else in the world is capable of buying and running Tmo USA. That is the most asinine thing that I have ever read.

          Where do you get your information? News must be pretty sparse under that rock you live.

        • ogopogo

          Is your comment serious?

          “If one foreign company can’t make it work, what makes you think another
          one could make it work when there are zero synergies with such a deal?”

          “Zero synergies”??

          So, by your conclusions, no one else in the world is capable of buying and running Tmo USA. That is the most asinine thing that I have ever read.

          Where do you get your information? News must be pretty sparse under that rock you live.

        • ogopogo

          Is your comment serious?

          “If one foreign company can’t make it work, what makes you think another
          one could make it work when there are zero synergies with such a deal?”

          “Zero synergies”??

          So, by your conclusions, no one else in the world is capable of buying and running Tmo USA. That is the most asinine thing that I have ever read.

          Where do you get your information? News must be pretty sparse under that rock you live.

        • Anonymous

          the telecommunications market in the US is about consolidation and scale.  Taking out competitors in the market.   It’s why all the telecommunications companies are rapidly merging. 

          A foreign owner brings nothing like that to the table. 

          Feel free to continue your insults while providing zero actual evidence of support for foreign ownership.

          DT provides ample evidence why foreign owners shouldn’t buy T-mobile USA.

        • ogopogo

          Evidence? Where is your evidence?
          You are so opposed to foreign ownership, that you can’t see the benefits.

        • Anonymous

          My fundamental reasoning why foreign ownership of T-mobile USA doesn’t work in the current US market:

          1)  Lack of consolidation where you wouldn’t be taking out competitors in the market
          2) Lack of scale
          3) T-mobile USA’s current status as a carrier in disarray
          4) DT’s decade long failed experiment owning T-mobile usa that exposes all the above flaws

          I gave you four good reasons against foreign ownership…. i’m still waiting for you to post one good one that supports it….

          BTW, I’m not opposed to foreign ownership at all.  I just wish it was a realistic plan that had any level of decent reasoning behind it. The Chinese government could own T-mobile USA for all i care as long as the deals keep coming, the customer support stays strong, and the coverage gets better..

        • OKDave

          Why is it asinine? Tmobile has no hard 4g plan going forward, they don’t have the spectrum, they’re hemmorhaging customers and profit, and their parent company has for all intents and purposes abandoned them as an ongoing enterprise. Sprint is the only logical alternative as a buyer, it would seem, but even that appears to be nixed per the DOJ comments above.

          A US company isn’t going to buy TMobile to run as an independent operation; it would have to be because it fits in with a broader company strategy. That’s why speculation stirred up Google as a possible buyer, notwithstanding the obvious problems that would create.

          About the only thing I can think of is possibly DT spinning off TMobile as an independent company, and getting if off their books that way. The point is the die for TMobile is largely already cast, and the probability that another company would even want to take the time, effort, and expense to overhaul it into a contender is probably right at zero.

        • ogopogo

          Speculation is just that – speculation. We can speculate all day long about Google because a lot of people want it. It does not mean that Google is even interested. They have never come out and said that they were interested in purchasing Tmo US. Meanwhile, there has been foreign interest, but speculative, and legitimate – TelCel, and Rogers Canada. Sprint does not have the Cash to purchase Tmo. And for some reason, everybody seems to forget that we only have 2 National GSM carriers (great for those of us that actually travel globally). With AT&T as the ONLY GSM option, it no longer becomes an “option”, and I am not ready for AT&T to rape me with their price gouging.

        • ogopogo

          Speculation is just that – speculation. We can speculate all day long about Google because a lot of people want it. It does not mean that Google is even interested. They have never come out and said that they were interested in purchasing Tmo US. Meanwhile, there has been foreign interest, but speculative, and legitimate – TelCel, and Rogers Canada. Sprint does not have the Cash to purchase Tmo. And for some reason, everybody seems to forget that we only have 2 National GSM carriers (great for those of us that actually travel globally). With AT&T as the ONLY GSM option, it no longer becomes an “option”, and I am not ready for AT&T to rape me with their price gouging.

        • ogopogo

          Speculation is just that – speculation. We can speculate all day long about Google because a lot of people want it. It does not mean that Google is even interested. They have never come out and said that they were interested in purchasing Tmo US. Meanwhile, there has been foreign interest, but speculative, and legitimate – TelCel, and Rogers Canada. Sprint does not have the Cash to purchase Tmo. And for some reason, everybody seems to forget that we only have 2 National GSM carriers (great for those of us that actually travel globally). With AT&T as the ONLY GSM option, it no longer becomes an “option”, and I am not ready for AT&T to rape me with their price gouging.

        • ogopogo

          Speculation is just that – speculation. We can speculate all day long about Google because a lot of people want it. It does not mean that Google is even interested. They have never come out and said that they were interested in purchasing Tmo US. Meanwhile, there has been foreign interest, but speculative, and legitimate – TelCel, and Rogers Canada. Sprint does not have the Cash to purchase Tmo. And for some reason, everybody seems to forget that we only have 2 National GSM carriers (great for those of us that actually travel globally). With AT&T as the ONLY GSM option, it no longer becomes an “option”, and I am not ready for AT&T to rape me with their price gouging.

        • ogopogo

          Is your comment serious?

          “If one foreign company can’t make it work, what makes you think another
          one could make it work when there are zero synergies with such a deal?”

          “Zero synergies”??

          So, by your conclusions, no one else in the world is capable of buying and running Tmo USA. That is the most asinine thing that I have ever read.

          Where do you get your information? News must be pretty sparse under that rock you live.

        • ogopogo

          Is your comment serious?

          “If one foreign company can’t make it work, what makes you think another
          one could make it work when there are zero synergies with such a deal?”

          “Zero synergies”??

          So, by your conclusions, no one else in the world is capable of buying and running Tmo USA. That is the most asinine thing that I have ever read.

          Where do you get your information? News must be pretty sparse under that rock you live.

        • MrBonez

          The main problem with DT is that they just want to haul in the money, they don’t want to spend any to make T-Mobile better. They aren’t thinking straight over there.

      • Anonymous

        You do realize that T-mobile USA is already owned by a foreign company, right?

        If one foreign company can’t make it work, what makes you think another one could make it work when there are zero synergies with such a deal? 

        Plus the fact there was no interest from foreign buyers when T-mobile USA was first shopped around.

    • ogopogo

      You seem to imply that the rest of the world does not exist. You know, other cell phone companies exist outside of the US, right?

    • Anonymous

      Doesn’t have to be purchased by a telco.

      Apple could easily afford to write a check for T-Mobile. :-)

      • Anonymous

        Apple has the same problems as Google.  They don’t want to be tied down to one carrier since it would create serious problems as mentioned in the article that David posted.

      • Anonymous

        Apple has the same problems as Google.  They don’t want to be tied down to one carrier since it would create serious problems as mentioned in the article that David posted.

      • IT Guy

        Lol someone put down his thoughts on that a couple weeks ago:

        Oops cant post a link. Google “steve-please-buy-us-a-carrier”

      • IT Guy

        Lol someone put down his thoughts on that a couple weeks ago:

        Oops cant post a link. Google “steve-please-buy-us-a-carrier”

      • Guest

        Why would they do that? It doesn’t make ANY sense. Just because they *can* doesn’t mean they *will* or *should* 

        If they did their stock would fall…. guaranteed. 

      • MrBonez

        I’m not particularly a fan of Apple or their products. Even though they may be good products, I think they are over-priced. Its like Starbucks, your basically paying for a name. I would prefer to not have T-Mobile be bought by the likes of Apple. Just my opinion.

    • IT Guy

      Well put.

      It’s easy to come up with ideas that xxx company should buy them and everything will be fine, but when you start looking at the dollars and cents, it gets ugly.

      There are certainly companies out there that could swing a deal to afford it, but how many really want to? The wireless carrier business is capital intensive. It requires a lot of investment for not a whole lot of dividend.

      Any potential buyer needs to evaluate what their plans are. Do they want to compete against low cost, regional providers and MVNOs? Or do they plan to take on the big boys?

      If it’s the latter, they’re not only going to need the cash for buying T-Mobile, but also the cost of expanding the network for better coverage and a rollout of LTE.

      I’m not saying it wont happen, but I think the odds aren’t good.

  • Salfenito

    Everyone, including the DOJ, needs to get it in their heads that DT is leaving the US wireless business no matter what. I believe they would even just shut down TMO and sell it for scraps if it comes to that. They have been told buy the German Government, their largest shareholder, to get rid of it and focus only on their European holdings. T-Mobile has already been removed as an asset on their last earnings report. So if the DOJ’s plan is to prevent TMO from going away because it promotes great competition in the marketplace through driving value/cheap rates, they can forget it. T-Mobile is being sold or closed one way or another. Better to let ATT have it and keep all of the T-Mobile employees working then to create a huge loss in jobs if it gets closed and chopped. Just my two cents.

    • ogopogo

      You need to get it through your head that there are other buyers out there. We are all fighting against AT&T, not the fact that DT wants out.

      • Hamster

        Yes. Apart from Verizon, AT&T is probably the worst possible buyer for T-Mobile as far as consumer’s interest is concerned.

        • Anonymous

          The article mentioned Comcast as  a possible buyer.  I’d say they rank far far worse than AT&T.

      • I tend to agree.  I am completely opposed to Att buying our Awesome network and destroying it, but if another buyer would put the “genuine” commitment that DT NEVER put into T-Mobile USA(not to mention giving them money to compete) I think it could be a win win situation.  I still believe that if DT gave its USA wing the funds to actually compete, then T-Mobile could have been in a far different circumstance.  DT just never cared about its US market the same way they cared about their overseas brands, always made me wonder why they even came here in the first place..

        • MrBonez

          I agree, I think that maybe DT thought they could make a few quick bucks here without much of an investment but ya spend money to make money and they just didn’t want to open their wallets enough so screw DT!!! Let someone besides AT&T buy T-Mobile that will do something and make it an investment for the future.

        • MrBonez

          I agree, I think that maybe DT thought they could make a few quick bucks here without much of an investment but ya spend money to make money and they just didn’t want to open their wallets enough so screw DT!!! Let someone besides AT&T buy T-Mobile that will do something and make it an investment for the future.

      • I tend to agree.  I am completely opposed to Att buying our Awesome network and destroying it, but if another buyer would put the “genuine” commitment that DT NEVER put into T-Mobile USA(not to mention giving them money to compete) I think it could be a win win situation.  I still believe that if DT gave its USA wing the funds to actually compete, then T-Mobile could have been in a far different circumstance.  DT just never cared about its US market the same way they cared about their overseas brands, always made me wonder why they even came here in the first place..

      • Salfenito

        Right. Except the DOJ argument against the deal in the first place is that the US wireless industry needs TMO to exists as it does now in order to foster good competition. Any buyer out there is not going to keep TMO as the “cost effective” solution it is now so what would be the point in letting anyone else buy it. If Sprint bought it it would create the same scenario they are saying they want to prevent. Also any other buyer is only going to offer a fraction of what AT&T was going to offer Dt so it may end up being more valuable to just shut down and break up the company to sell in pieces. 

        With the combined customer base of the two companies, there is NO WAY AT&T could  NOT keep a very large portion of the T-Mobile employees. They will need to provide sales, support, and service to a large number of customers that their current work force could not handle alone. 

      • Salfenito

        Right. Except the DOJ argument against the deal in the first place is that the US wireless industry needs TMO to exists as it does now in order to foster good competition. Any buyer out there is not going to keep TMO as the “cost effective” solution it is now so what would be the point in letting anyone else buy it. If Sprint bought it it would create the same scenario they are saying they want to prevent. Also any other buyer is only going to offer a fraction of what AT&T was going to offer Dt so it may end up being more valuable to just shut down and break up the company to sell in pieces. 

        With the combined customer base of the two companies, there is NO WAY AT&T could  NOT keep a very large portion of the T-Mobile employees. They will need to provide sales, support, and service to a large number of customers that their current work force could not handle alone. 

    • ogopogo

      You need to get it through your head that there are other buyers out there. We are all fighting against AT&T, not the fact that DT wants out.

    • the_truth

      There is no way. Repeat–no way AT&T will keep T-Mobile employees.

    • the_truth

      There is no way. Repeat–no way AT&T will keep T-Mobile employees.

    • the_truth

      There is no way. Repeat–no way AT&T will keep T-Mobile employees.

    • Do you  facts or proof to back that up?

    • MrBonez

      Well maybe DT needs to just cut T-Mobile loose and let them run on their own. It seems to me that T-Mobile has been doing that anyways without much help from DT lately anyways. Screw DT, they don’t care about us over here anyways! Let them go their way and let T-Mobile just go it on their own here in the U.S. I know T-Mobile can do something more if they have the chance without DT causing more problems with all this “merger” BS!

    • MrBonez

      Well maybe DT needs to just cut T-Mobile loose and let them run on their own. It seems to me that T-Mobile has been doing that anyways without much help from DT lately anyways. Screw DT, they don’t care about us over here anyways! Let them go their way and let T-Mobile just go it on their own here in the U.S. I know T-Mobile can do something more if they have the chance without DT causing more problems with all this “merger” BS!

  • Salfenito

    Everyone, including the DOJ, needs to get it in their heads that DT is leaving the US wireless business no matter what. I believe they would even just shut down TMO and sell it for scraps if it comes to that. They have been told buy the German Government, their largest shareholder, to get rid of it and focus only on their European holdings. T-Mobile has already been removed as an asset on their last earnings report. So if the DOJ’s plan is to prevent TMO from going away because it promotes great competition in the marketplace through driving value/cheap rates, they can forget it. T-Mobile is being sold or closed one way or another. Better to let ATT have it and keep all of the T-Mobile employees working then to create a huge loss in jobs if it gets closed and chopped. Just my two cents.

  • Anonymous

    Orascom (Wind) isn’t eligible because they have Wind in Canada.
    The most possible choice will be Optimum as they showed interest with this entity.

  • Anonymous

    Orascom (Wind) isn’t eligible because they have Wind in Canada.
    The most possible choice will be Optimum as they showed interest with this entity.

    • And wind uses the same frequency for hspa as tmobile

  • Guest

    When are so called reporters going to figure out that there is a _3rd_ largest “Baby-Bell” out there?  CenturyLink purchased 50.5%, or a controlling share of Qwest, and that purchase is now complete.  This makes them the 3rd largest Baby Bell. 

    It is true that CenturyLink does own some portion of Sprint and/or Clearwire. 
    However, I don’t see that as hampering their possibly purchasing T-Mobile. 

    In fact, it may be strategically wise for them to NOT buy the rest of Sprint and/or Clearwire until AFTER they purchased the “damaged goods” of T-Mobile at the presumed reduced price following a failed bid by AT&T.
    .

    • Guest

      Ooops…  I may have been wrong about the ownership comment (about CenturyLink owning a part of Sprint and/or Clearwire). 

      That was just “word on the street” that I picked up.  I have not (so far) been able to verify this independently.  It doesn’t mean that I was wrong, only that I can’t verify what I claimed. 

      • MrBonez

        Yeah, I don’t think that Century Link/Qwest has any ownership of Sprint/Clear because they both are a major internet provider. If that were the case than their internet services would certainly be combined in some way. I have Clear and I love the service, Qwest is/was always having problems when my son had their internet in 2 different locations.

    • Guest

      Ooops…  I may have been wrong about the ownership comment (about CenturyLink owning a part of Sprint and/or Clearwire). 

      That was just “word on the street” that I picked up.  I have not (so far) been able to verify this independently.  It doesn’t mean that I was wrong, only that I can’t verify what I claimed. 

    • Anonymous

      CenturyLink is having too many problems of its’ own after it swallowed Qwest.  They’re not in a position to buy anyone right now.

  • Redindian

    AT&T should have some more tricks up it’s sleeves. Given the magnitude of the deal, one would obviously think about steps to be taken if the deal seems like slipping away. At&t has a lot of confidence on this deal which is pretty scary. Either today or tommorow they will make another big announcement which will shake the world one more time.

    • Guest

      AT&T may have a few tricks up their sleeve, but not much changes reality: The merge will weaken competition, and customers will pay higher prices for subpar phones and service. 

      We need more competition – not less.The DOJ and the FCC should BLOCK this deal. 

    • Guest

      AT&T may have a few tricks up their sleeve, but not much changes reality: The merge will weaken competition, and customers will pay higher prices for subpar phones and service. 

      We need more competition – not less.The DOJ and the FCC should BLOCK this deal. 

      • Anonymous

        Your an idiot. T-mobile will become the next MetroPCS if they don’t merge and then everyone will leave anyway cause they will want to be with a “real” carrier. Like it or not T-Mobile is drowning and killing the deal isn’t going to make it any better.

        • Anonymous

          I love when people call other people an idiot and don’t know the difference between “your” and “you’re”…

        • Guest

          Look, moron (JDIMIRA).

          That’s the argument the “idiot” at the DOJ is making. Perhaps, you missed it, but that argument is backed by law.

          Nobody said T-mobile couldn’t merge. Just not with AT&T – the second largest wireless provider in America. In case you haven’t noticed, Sprint will struggle to stay afloat, as well. 

          And no (Government Fromage), it’s not about T-Mobile’s future viability as a company according to foreign-based DT. They are still the 4th largest wireless provider in America. Allowing AT&T to essentially create a duopoly and destroy the small amount of competition the wireless industry has left is what we should be PREVENTING, not promoting. 

          For those that didn’t read the article you’re posting ON:

          There are interested investors – that promote competition. 

        • Guest

          Look, moron (JDIMIRA).

          That’s the argument the “idiot” at the DOJ is making. Perhaps, you missed it, but that argument is backed by law.

          Nobody said T-mobile couldn’t merge. Just not with AT&T – the second largest wireless provider in America. In case you haven’t noticed, Sprint will struggle to stay afloat, as well. 

          And no (Government Fromage), it’s not about T-Mobile’s future viability as a company according to foreign-based DT. They are still the 4th largest wireless provider in America. Allowing AT&T to essentially create a duopoly and destroy the small amount of competition the wireless industry has left is what we should be PREVENTING, not promoting. 

          For those that didn’t read the article you’re posting ON:

          There are interested investors – that promote competition. 

      • Government Fromage

        Morgan Reed, executive director of the trade group, Association for Competitive Technology, said AT&T has at least one key fact on its side: Deutsche Telekom has said it does not plan to continue to invest in upgrading the T-Mobile network to deliver faster wireless. That means, “T-Mobile is not a competitor anymore,” Reed said.”T-Mobile has already stepped away from the table,” Reed noted. “We’re at three nationwide wireless carriers no matter what.”

  • Hamster

    For everyone mentioning Vodafone as a potential suitor: Remember, they already own a 45% stake in Verizon Wireless. So eliminate them from the potential list of Euro buyers.

    • MIKEEEEE

      vodafone would dump a CDMA carrier in a new york second take the money and buy t-mo USA and make their worldwide network even bigger.

      the word here is worldwide as they are the world’s, that’s right world’s, largest wireless carrier.

      • Anonymous

        so vodafone should dump a wildly profitable verizon wireless in favor of a T-mobile USA that’s slowly getting devalued and falling apart?

      • Anonymous

        so vodafone should dump a wildly profitable verizon wireless in favor of a T-mobile USA that’s slowly getting devalued and falling apart?

        • ogopogo

          Ever heard of “GSM”?

        • Anonymous

          feel free to explain your logic as so far i don’t see anything of a rationale.

          Vodafone makes a boatload of money on verizon wireless, why exactly should they take on a horrible project like T-mobile USA?

          They can’t merge Verizon Wireless and T-mobile USA.   So, where’s the value in them picking up T-mobile USA separately?  That they have some delusions they can run T-mobile USA better than DT from abroad?

        • Anonymous

          feel free to explain your logic as so far i don’t see anything of a rationale.

          Vodafone makes a boatload of money on verizon wireless, why exactly should they take on a horrible project like T-mobile USA?

          They can’t merge Verizon Wireless and T-mobile USA.   So, where’s the value in them picking up T-mobile USA separately?  That they have some delusions they can run T-mobile USA better than DT from abroad?

        • Cell Phone Chick

          Not to say you are wrong in your thinking but since the rest of the world uses GSM (hence the acronym Global System for Mobile Communication), it might be worth the gamble for Vodofone to sell off their interests in Verizon and snatch up T-Mobile. To create a world wide network where customer’s could roam abroad without incurring extra charges would be huge in the wireless market. Think of the number of business customers  they would acquire alone. Vodofone or any other Intl carrier could have a huge advantage in the global wireless market by creating a world wide network.

        • Marcels

          The Problem is not the money Vodafone is earning with Verizon it’s the fact that Vodafone owns only 45% and can’ t make any mayor dessicion. Vodafone has always said that it was a big mistake not taking over the majority of Verizon when they had the chance. Vodafone is has already sold SFR in france to Vivendi and they will do the same with all other companys thwy don’t own 100%

        • Hamster

          Verizon Wireless is already implementing LTE. And even if they weren’t, I don’t see the GSMness of T-Mobile being such a huge attractor for them that they’d dump their share of the largest wireless US carrier.

        • Hamster

          Verizon Wireless is already implementing LTE. And even if they weren’t, I don’t see the GSMness of T-Mobile being such a huge attractor for them that they’d dump their share of the largest wireless US carrier.

        • ogopogo

          Ever heard of “GSM”?

      • Anonymous

        so vodafone should dump a wildly profitable verizon wireless in favor of a T-mobile USA that’s slowly getting devalued and falling apart?

      • Anonymous

        so vodafone should dump a wildly profitable verizon wireless in favor of a T-mobile USA that’s slowly getting devalued and falling apart?

      • Anonymous

        so vodafone should dump a wildly profitable verizon wireless in favor of a T-mobile USA that’s slowly getting devalued and falling apart?

      • Goukisan

        you are deluded

      • Goukisan

        you are deluded

      • Goukisan

        you are deluded

  • Gqgentleman05

    I am a faithful tmobile customer for years. I love tmobile and I feel its a great opportunity to be with AT&T. There are areas where tmobile has no bars. I would even pay an extra $5 if AT&T merged and brought back the old tmobile customer serviced that i love. Face the facts Sprint is a joke and charges roams undercoverly in your own home city and service ain’t great. Verizon towers go on the blink at times or in storms. Well cricket is cricket a real cheap joke so this is a great deal. Plus add a 4g iPhone with 4g Windows 7 and AT&T got it on lock.

    • Gov’tWillCaveToAttMoney

      You are correct in your comment ..you would pay closer to $30 more per month for comparable service, I left ATT in 2003 after years of horrific cell service &  pathetic customer service. Just as ATT bought all of the baby bells back after the govt window of anti-trust regulations expired..They will try to buy all of the remaining carriers in the wireless spectrum. Of course the next purchase will be Sprint to Verizon despite incompatibility… Just to grow larger and eliminate low pricing competitors. America needs T Mobile – Unlike the airlines where consolidation left openings for new airlines…there are no new spectrums for new wireless carriers.. Att wants to win by eliminating competition..

      • Dpro

        Once again I have to make this statement. AT&T is SBC. SBC and Verizon are the ones that bought up the baby bells. AT&T is only AT&T in name. In truth they are SBC a formerly tiny Baby Bell out of Texas that blew up with venture capital.

        • Anonymous

          Sorry, Dpro; your comment wasn’t loaded when I made mine.  We’re in agreement anyway.

        • Anonymous

          Sorry, Dpro; your comment wasn’t loaded when I made mine.  We’re in agreement anyway.

      • Anonymous

        Almost, but not quite.  It was actually Southwestern Bell that put most of the Baby Bells back together, and then bought what was left of the post-2nd-breakup AT&T (i.e., without Lucent/Avaya) and took over their name and stock ticker symbol.

    • Gov’tWillCaveToAttMoney

      You are correct in your comment ..you would pay closer to $30 more per month for comparable service, I left ATT in 2003 after years of horrific cell service &  pathetic customer service. Just as ATT bought all of the baby bells back after the govt window of anti-trust regulations expired..They will try to buy all of the remaining carriers in the wireless spectrum. Of course the next purchase will be Sprint to Verizon despite incompatibility… Just to grow larger and eliminate low pricing competitors. America needs T Mobile – Unlike the airlines where consolidation left openings for new airlines…there are no new spectrums for new wireless carriers.. Att wants to win by eliminating competition..

  • Dish buying T-mob sounds like a great fit. 

  • Youngt82

    SAheesh they should just give me some of that money :( i got bills up my you know what lol or donate some to America who is in real debt smh

  • Marvelous922

    Its going to go through…They’ve paid out too much money and made several connections along with promises along the way. The deal will close sooner then expectated!

    • Auser72

      The people that were paid were not expecting to have  to deal with a leaked document from ATT that would contradict any reason they could have for supporting the deal. It really  is up in the air at this point.

    • Dpro

      You guys so do not get DOJ anti trust filings. Never in the history of the DOJ and the FCC has the FCC gone against a DOJ ruling like this. Regardless of how much money AT&T spends from a legal point of view this deal is pretty much dead in the water with this ruling. I do not expect the FCC to go against this  filing.

      AT&T will eat the deserved crow they should get, for calling this deal done way before it was even done.

      Will it not going through be disastrous for T Mobile given current situations? That remains to be seen.
      Fact is DT has the money to invest and make T Mobile  USA great. They just did not want to because they are quitters that managed it poorly in the first place.

      Fact is with the 6 billion separation agreement they could still sell T Mobile to a interested buyer for less. They would not make as much as AT&T was going to pay but enough to make them happy.
      You forget that the separation agreement was concluded just in case this should happen. I am sure they had the balance sheets worked up for a scenario like this as they would not even have asked for that 6 billion cash and spectrum agreement otherwise.

      • Goukisan

        it wasnt a ruling, it was an opinion of the DOJ. 

      • Goukisan

        it wasnt a ruling, it was an opinion of the DOJ. 

    • Dpro

      You guys so do not get DOJ anti trust filings. Never in the history of the DOJ and the FCC has the FCC gone against a DOJ ruling like this. Regardless of how much money AT&T spends from a legal point of view this deal is pretty much dead in the water with this ruling. I do not expect the FCC to go against this  filing.

      AT&T will eat the deserved crow they should get, for calling this deal done way before it was even done.

      Will it not going through be disastrous for T Mobile given current situations? That remains to be seen.
      Fact is DT has the money to invest and make T Mobile  USA great. They just did not want to because they are quitters that managed it poorly in the first place.

      Fact is with the 6 billion separation agreement they could still sell T Mobile to a interested buyer for less. They would not make as much as AT&T was going to pay but enough to make them happy.
      You forget that the separation agreement was concluded just in case this should happen. I am sure they had the balance sheets worked up for a scenario like this as they would not even have asked for that 6 billion cash and spectrum agreement otherwise.

    • Dpro

      You guys so do not get DOJ anti trust filings. Never in the history of the DOJ and the FCC has the FCC gone against a DOJ ruling like this. Regardless of how much money AT&T spends from a legal point of view this deal is pretty much dead in the water with this ruling. I do not expect the FCC to go against this  filing.

      AT&T will eat the deserved crow they should get, for calling this deal done way before it was even done.

      Will it not going through be disastrous for T Mobile given current situations? That remains to be seen.
      Fact is DT has the money to invest and make T Mobile  USA great. They just did not want to because they are quitters that managed it poorly in the first place.

      Fact is with the 6 billion separation agreement they could still sell T Mobile to a interested buyer for less. They would not make as much as AT&T was going to pay but enough to make them happy.
      You forget that the separation agreement was concluded just in case this should happen. I am sure they had the balance sheets worked up for a scenario like this as they would not even have asked for that 6 billion cash and spectrum agreement otherwise.

    • Dpro

      You guys so do not get DOJ anti trust filings. Never in the history of the DOJ and the FCC has the FCC gone against a DOJ ruling like this. Regardless of how much money AT&T spends from a legal point of view this deal is pretty much dead in the water with this ruling. I do not expect the FCC to go against this  filing.

      AT&T will eat the deserved crow they should get, for calling this deal done way before it was even done.

      Will it not going through be disastrous for T Mobile given current situations? That remains to be seen.
      Fact is DT has the money to invest and make T Mobile  USA great. They just did not want to because they are quitters that managed it poorly in the first place.

      Fact is with the 6 billion separation agreement they could still sell T Mobile to a interested buyer for less. They would not make as much as AT&T was going to pay but enough to make them happy.
      You forget that the separation agreement was concluded just in case this should happen. I am sure they had the balance sheets worked up for a scenario like this as they would not even have asked for that 6 billion cash and spectrum agreement otherwise.

  • Steve

    A cable or satellite company would make sense as ATT already bundles phone and tv services; why couldn’t Comcast do the same with wireless, internet, and cable?

  • No the cable companies don’t want a wireless carrier and would not be suited for it. Cablevision wanted an agreement but not to buy them. I’m not sure exactly if over half of the companies on this list can do better than T-Mobile. Vodafone didn’t make the list it seems because of the stake in Verizon. Its easy to sell 45% of your stake back to Verizon. Vodafone’s bid was a solid $25 billion so I guess your right its worth 12 billion less.

  • ProBusiness414

    As I see it, this all happened because SPRINT got scared because they knew they wouldn’t be able to compete with Verizon & AT&T if this deal went through. 

    This would be a win situation for both AT&T customers as well as T-Mobile customers because, regardless of what you simpletons think, it would create a better network for both customers. It would fill in dead spots that both companies have. 

    I began my wireless service with Sprint, but because of excessive service chargers and hidden fees, I left them to go to T-Mobile. After a while with T-Mobile, the spotty coverage and weak indoor signals, led me to establish my wireless service with AT&T and have been with them ever since.

    No wireless company will be perfect when it comes to service, there will always be drop zones, weak signal areas, etc. That’s a drawback of having NO WIRES!

    As for customer service… All of these carriers customer service has been great. Through lost or stolen phones, billing questions, etc. I’ve had no problem. I feel the more you complain about things you already know are effected factors of service, your going to have a bad experience.

    If every business could stop other businesses from being bought because of a fear of competition, why would businesses try to create better products and deals to keep us (the consumer) satisfied…

    Weather it’s 4 major companies or 3 major companies… Your product is what is going to have the customers come to your business.

    So instead of people complaining about a deal that both parties involved are in agreement too. Why don’t these other wireless carriers work on what’s driving their customers away because thru this deal that exactly what AT&T is trying to do, while also providing a top home for a business that is obviously on its way out of the U.S. Not a business thats apparently struggling to keep it’s share of the market.

    But of course that only my opinion.

    • I agree with you to some extent.

      But who are you to demean anyone?

      Calling people Simpletons because your “opinion” is so valid. STFU.

      Plenty of people understand the pros of the merger. But there are also cons. The biggest being price and NO UNLIMITED DATA, also AT&T is less than perfect when it comes to customer service so get out here with your no sense.

      • ProBusiness414

        Somebody took one word personal… Sorry I hurt your man hood.

      • ProBusiness414

        Somebody took one word personal… Sorry I hurt your man hood.

      • ProBusiness414

        Somebody took one word personal… Sorry I hurt your man hood.

      • ProBusiness414

        Somebody took one word personal… Sorry I hurt your man hood.

      • ProBusiness414

        Somebody took one word personal… Sorry I hurt your man hood.

      • Goukisan

        what does no more unlimited data have to do with any of this??????? OMG get over it already. Change is part of business. Everything is cyclical in retail. You are not DUE anything from any business.

        • Not to be rude, but can you go AWAY?

          THIS doesn’t concern you, so please don’t get involved. And this isn’t even about that. You’re meddling, so keep your thoughts to yourself. Thank you. :)
          From my HTC Sensation 4G

        • Not to be rude, but can you go AWAY?

          THIS doesn’t concern you, so please don’t get involved. And this isn’t even about that. You’re meddling, so keep your thoughts to yourself. Thank you. :)
          From my HTC Sensation 4G

    • I agree with you to some extent.

      But who are you to demean anyone?

      Calling people Simpletons because your “opinion” is so valid. STFU.

      Plenty of people understand the pros of the merger. But there are also cons. The biggest being price and NO UNLIMITED DATA, also AT&T is less than perfect when it comes to customer service so get out here with your no sense.

    • Guest

      Considering your atrocious grammar, I would think twice before calling other people “simpletons”… “WEATHER it’s 4 major companies”? “So instead of people complaining about a deal that both parties involved are in agreement too.”?  O.o

    • Guest

      Considering your atrocious grammar, I would think twice before calling other people “simpletons”… “WEATHER it’s 4 major companies”? “So instead of people complaining about a deal that both parties involved are in agreement too.”?  O.o

      • Anonymous

        Do you find that criticizing people on the internet for their errors in spelling and syntax makes for a productive use of time?

      • Anonymous

        Do you find that criticizing people on the internet for their errors in spelling and syntax makes for a productive use of time?

      • Anonymous

        Do you find that criticizing people on the internet for their errors in spelling and syntax makes for a productive use of time?

      • Anonymous

        Do you find that criticizing people on the internet for their errors in spelling and syntax makes for a productive use of time?

      • Anonymous

        Do you find that criticizing people on the internet for their errors in spelling and syntax makes for a productive use of time?

      • Anonymous

        Do you find that criticizing people on the internet for their errors in spelling and syntax makes for a productive use of time?

      • Anonymous

        Do you find that criticizing people on the internet for their errors in spelling and syntax makes for a productive use of time?

      • Anonymous

        Do you find that criticizing people on the internet for their errors in spelling and syntax makes for a productive use of time?

  • Girth Brooks

    Google or Vodafone.  That is all.

    • Goukisan

      um vodaphone is part of the Verizon Wireless family 
      thats not going to happen

    • Goukisan

      um vodaphone is part of the Verizon Wireless family 
      thats not going to happen

  • Girth Brooks

    Google or Vodafone.  That is all.

  • Anonymous

    Doj is way off base. They are looking at the big picture which dave has pointed out in this article. “What happens if the deal falls through”? The doj acts as though tmo usa is a fluorishing company that can operate at a high level long term. This isn’t two successful companies merging…..if it were, I may be against it. The doj should bite the bullet and think about what happens when att and dt don’t get their way. All the jobs that would be lost if dt closes up shop here in the usa. Do they plan on forcing dt to stay in the market for the sake of saving jobs?

    • IT Guy

      “The DOJ focuses on the issues at hand and doesn’t speculate on the future” is something I read when the ATT deal was first announced. This is certainly a noble stance, but it doesn’t always work out.

    • Jeffreygreen1315

      Get_at_Me
      You’re the one way off base! Even if this deal falls through dt will sell to somone else(for less $), rather than close up shop and walk away with nothing! DT has plenty of stock holders that needs to be satisfied and walking away with nothing isn’t an option! Having one company with GSM is not good for competative business….THANKS DOJ!

      • Goukisan

        i love when people say GSM monopoly!!  
        ZOMG !!!
        it is not a monopoly. Monopoly would refer to there being  no choices in cellular service, it would have nothing to do if it was GSM or CMDA. It is about prices not the tech that backs up the business. People just love to throw the word monopoly around

        • Me

          Yeah, it would be a GSM monopoly.  Some people need GSM phones due to extensive international travel and would only have 1 place to go, AT&T. Also, elimination of one more company through an AT&T buyout (like Cingular years ago) brings us one less wireless company towars complete cell monopoly!

        • I don’t see the word “monopoly” anywhere in the post you replied to nor the one before that :/ Actually, pressing ctrl+F and searching yielded only 4 repeats of that word- all from your post.

          Maybe it’s just you that loves throwing that word around :P

      • IT Guy

        They wouldn’t walk away with nothing.

        The thinking among insiders is that if they can’t find a buyer foe T-Mobile as a whole, or if the govt makes it too difficult for them to do so, they could pull the plug on services as just sell off their network and spectrum to the highest bidders.

        While it’s not their preferred option, it would have the least interference from the govt. (And would also be a disaster for millions of T-Mobile customers)

  • Anonymous

    Doj is way off base. They are looking at the big picture which dave has pointed out in this article. “What happens if the deal falls through”? The doj acts as though tmo usa is a fluorishing company that can operate at a high level long term. This isn’t two successful companies merging…..if it were, I may be against it. The doj should bite the bullet and think about what happens when att and dt don’t get their way. All the jobs that would be lost if dt closes up shop here in the usa. Do they plan on forcing dt to stay in the market for the sake of saving jobs?

  • Anonymous

    Doj is way off base. They are looking at the big picture which dave has pointed out in this article. “What happens if the deal falls through”? The doj acts as though tmo usa is a fluorishing company that can operate at a high level long term. This isn’t two successful companies merging…..if it were, I may be against it. The doj should bite the bullet and think about what happens when att and dt don’t get their way. All the jobs that would be lost if dt closes up shop here in the usa. Do they plan on forcing dt to stay in the market for the sake of saving jobs?

  • Anonymous

    Doj is way off base. They are looking at the big picture which dave has pointed out in this article. “What happens if the deal falls through”? The doj acts as though tmo usa is a fluorishing company that can operate at a high level long term. This isn’t two successful companies merging…..if it were, I may be against it. The doj should bite the bullet and think about what happens when att and dt don’t get their way. All the jobs that would be lost if dt closes up shop here in the usa. Do they plan on forcing dt to stay in the market for the sake of saving jobs?

  • Anonymous

    Doj is way off base. They are looking at the big picture which dave has pointed out in this article. “What happens if the deal falls through”? The doj acts as though tmo usa is a fluorishing company that can operate at a high level long term. This isn’t two successful companies merging…..if it were, I may be against it. The doj should bite the bullet and think about what happens when att and dt don’t get their way. All the jobs that would be lost if dt closes up shop here in the usa. Do they plan on forcing dt to stay in the market for the sake of saving jobs?

  • Baltimore

    I have been reading all the comments regarding the buyout of Tmo. I have been a long time customer of Tmo. I was orginally with VoiceStream, which was small but the perfect company for me.  Tmo brought VoiceStream and I received the same service, but it even got better with Tmo.  Now, I can not say for 100% that the same service I will receive with AT&T.  I want to say that prices will increase, when you only have one GSM carrier and there is no other competition. Just for the funny of it, I decided to check out AT&T prices for the current phone I have with Tmo and the same data plan.  It will cost me $40 more a month.  I have nothing fancy, I have a blackberry, with unlimited minutes, 1000 text messages, and data plan. 

    Not to say that I am basis, let me say, I have been with AT&T years ago and left because of the service and the cost.  Now, I understand USA Tmo needs the specturm and the financial backing to stay in the celluar business in the US.  However, AT&T is NOT the answer.  There needs to be another solution besides AT&T.  There should not be only one carrier for people to choose for GSM. We as consumers should have a choice and not be forced to use only one carrier for GSM. 

  • Baltimore

    I have been reading all the comments regarding the buyout of Tmo. I have been a long time customer of Tmo. I was orginally with VoiceStream, which was small but the perfect company for me.  Tmo brought VoiceStream and I received the same service, but it even got better with Tmo.  Now, I can not say for 100% that the same service I will receive with AT&T.  I want to say that prices will increase, when you only have one GSM carrier and there is no other competition. Just for the funny of it, I decided to check out AT&T prices for the current phone I have with Tmo and the same data plan.  It will cost me $40 more a month.  I have nothing fancy, I have a blackberry, with unlimited minutes, 1000 text messages, and data plan. 

    Not to say that I am basis, let me say, I have been with AT&T years ago and left because of the service and the cost.  Now, I understand USA Tmo needs the specturm and the financial backing to stay in the celluar business in the US.  However, AT&T is NOT the answer.  There needs to be another solution besides AT&T.  There should not be only one carrier for people to choose for GSM. We as consumers should have a choice and not be forced to use only one carrier for GSM. 

  • Shastab

    Here’s my conumdrum……
     
    I am a Tmobile customer and have been since before there even was a Tmobile.  My contract expires next month and I am patiently awating a very badly needed upgrade on my phone.  I am considering leaving my grandfathered unlimited loyalty plan for the $49.99 family plan they have been advertising so heavily.

    If I take the new plan then I pay full price for my phone and I really really want the Galaxy SGII which I am sure will come with a substantial price tag.  I am not financially able to buy a new $600 phone every 2 years so I keep mine a little longer than the average tech fan.

    So, if I switch plans and buy the new phone outright I am stuck with a worthless gadget if Tmobile goes away either by sale to AT&T or otherwise? 

  • Shastab

    Here’s my conumdrum……
     
    I am a Tmobile customer and have been since before there even was a Tmobile.  My contract expires next month and I am patiently awating a very badly needed upgrade on my phone.  I am considering leaving my grandfathered unlimited loyalty plan for the $49.99 family plan they have been advertising so heavily.

    If I take the new plan then I pay full price for my phone and I really really want the Galaxy SGII which I am sure will come with a substantial price tag.  I am not financially able to buy a new $600 phone every 2 years so I keep mine a little longer than the average tech fan.

    So, if I switch plans and buy the new phone outright I am stuck with a worthless gadget if Tmobile goes away either by sale to AT&T or otherwise? 

    • Government Fromage

      I suspect there are a lot of people, including me in the same situation.

      If I was more certain buyout by AT&T was going to go through, I’d say go for it.  Most of the new phones coming out on T-Mobile have the AT&T 3g bands, so you should be set if they take over.

      Unfortunately, now we’re not so sure what is going to happen. This uncertainty is going to do nothing good for T-Mobile. For prospective customers, and current ones thinking about re-upping with a new device, it’s even worse than the thought of a looming AT&T takeover.

      I’ve been with T-Mobile (Voicestream) since may of 2001, and I think I’m about done. Verizon costs a little bit more, but I can afford it. And honestly, their coverage is much better around here too.

      • Anonymous

        yep, i was thinking about re-upping just before the deal closes to lock everything in for two more years.

        Now what the heck do i do?  T-mobile USA has no plan without AT&T.

        The uncertainty is more aggravating than anything else.

        • Whylee77

          What do you mean they have no plan? Because they arent going to LTE?  Why does everyone think LTE is the only plan out there?  HSPA+ is used all over the world and has shown amazing promises.   Its been better than Sprints WIMAX and in some areas even beat out Verizon…  I know in some areas I get nearly 10… And thats not with a newer phone.  There are over 20 Networks in the world Running HSPA+.  Their are HSPA+ revisions supporting 168Mbps and a new proposed revision up to 672Mbps.  If you can get these speeds from HSPA+ WHY do we need LTE?   I love my HSPA+  Your brain is being washed by LTE…..

        • IT Guy

          HSPA+ can provide some good numbers, and in theory some great numbers. It’s also cheaper to implement on existing HSPA networks, as some of the upgrades are software-only.

          That being said, on networks carrying heavy traffic, LTE makes much, much more efficient use of bandwidth.

          Of course, HSPA+ is also backwards compatible with existing phones.

        • Anonymous

          I just want better voice coverage and data isn’t too important for me right now. I live in the middle of my town and T-mobile USA coverage is terrible while AT&T and Verizon are great.  I don’t think there is any sign that this would change under DT or some sort of go it alone strategy as nobody wants to cough up the money to make those investments.  They are more focused on HSPA+ data.

          so not brained washed by either HSPA+ or LTE.

    • Government Fromage

      I suspect there are a lot of people, including me in the same situation.

      If I was more certain buyout by AT&T was going to go through, I’d say go for it.  Most of the new phones coming out on T-Mobile have the AT&T 3g bands, so you should be set if they take over.

      Unfortunately, now we’re not so sure what is going to happen. This uncertainty is going to do nothing good for T-Mobile. For prospective customers, and current ones thinking about re-upping with a new device, it’s even worse than the thought of a looming AT&T takeover.

      I’ve been with T-Mobile (Voicestream) since may of 2001, and I think I’m about done. Verizon costs a little bit more, but I can afford it. And honestly, their coverage is much better around here too.

    • Johnkim2753

      The other day I was talking to T-Mobile customer service, and my agent told me that if I wanted to switch my current plan to the $49.99, a “migration fee” would be about $200 per each line. My point is that you could possibly sign up with T-Mobile with a regular contract and buy your phones subsidized instead and then switch it. That would save you a couple hundred vs buying a phone full retail on the value plans.

      • IT Guy

        I hadn’t thought of this. Staying on contract with a subsidized phone might not be a bad idea.

    • Johnkim2753

      The other day I was talking to T-Mobile customer service, and my agent told me that if I wanted to switch my current plan to the $49.99, a “migration fee” would be about $200 per each line. My point is that you could possibly sign up with T-Mobile with a regular contract and buy your phones subsidized instead and then switch it. That would save you a couple hundred vs buying a phone full retail on the value plans.

    • Hamster

      You *could* buy a pentaband 3G phone from Nokia (or wait and see if the new iPhone is in fact pentaband as was rumored). Then you’ll have a phone that’ll work on ATT’s network if it turns out you eventually need it to.

    • Hamster

      You *could* buy a pentaband 3G phone from Nokia (or wait and see if the new iPhone is in fact pentaband as was rumored). Then you’ll have a phone that’ll work on ATT’s network if it turns out you eventually need it to.

    • Whylee77

      Even if the AT&T merger goes through, it is going to be ATLEAST another year before and closed.  It will be another 2-3 years where we are forced off of T-Mobiles network and on to AT&Ts Network- THey will need to get their network up to HSPA+ too… Most of their network is not.. Its only 3G and some HSPA+ mixed in.  So you are looking at 3-4 years BEFORE you are forced into an AT&T device. And AT&T will have to wooo you, or let you out of your contract.  You are probably looking at any phone you want for free..

  • sparced

    i found another decent article from msnbc that shows that the outcome might not be so rosy no matter what happens with T-mobile USA.  IMO, it’s a good read because it lays out the basic problems.

    http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/08/31/7543843-att-t-mobile-deal-either-way-customers-lose

  • Mel

    I don’t support any phone carriers, but if i did, I would support TMobile.

    stay tmobile my friends…

  • Mel

    I don’t support any phone carriers, but if i did, I would support TMobile.

    stay tmobile my friends…

    • Goukisan

      and you are here because? lol

    • Goukisan

      and you are here because? lol

  • Game Over AT&T

    It’s over AT&T and DT, you lost. End this game now and get on with the business at hand.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harold-feld/doj-says-no-ma-cell-what-_b_944084.html

    Some of the posters here fail to realize that T-Mobile USA has 30 million+ paying customers and has profits of over $1 billion per year. This kind of cash flow is very desirable to many other possible buyers. As a T-Mobile USA customer, I’m not worried if DT sells to a Warren Buffett type, cable consortium, etc. Anything is better than American Thieves and Thugs. If the service goes to crap with any new owner, we’ll look at other options.

    So DT paid way too much in 2001 and can’t run T-Mobile USA very well, big deal. This happens all the time in business and with investments. Sell to someone else and eat your investment loses like a big boy. I know, it’s hard to admit defeat. At least you get to keep the engagement ring and wedding presents.

    The real market value of T-Mobile USA is probably 12 times earning or $10-15 billion plus the assumption of T’s 15 billion in debt. So maybe $25 billion total. A 4% rate of return is not terrible, especially with the potential to grow the business. DT paid over $50 billion in 2001 when it closed. Dot com crazyness obviously existed in 2000 when DT first entered the picture.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-01/deutsche-telekom-losing-12-billion-even-with-new-t-mobile-buyer-real-m-a.html

  • Anonymous

    Amaziiing , i cant believe this!! me and my sister just got two i-pads for $42.77 each and a $50 amazon card for $9. the stores want to keep this a secret and they dont tell you. go here, bidsbug.com

  • Anonymous

    Amaziiing , i cant believe this!! me and my sister just got two i-pads for $42.77 each and a $50 amazon card for $9. the stores want to keep this a secret and they dont tell you. go here, bidsbug.com

    • IT Guy

      Great deal! Maybe with the money you’ve saved you could purchase T-Mobile from Deutsche Telekom!

      /stupid spammers

  • Anonymous

    Amaziiing , i cant believe this!! me and my sister just got two i-pads for $42.77 each and a $50 amazon card for $9. the stores want to keep this a secret and they dont tell you. go here, bidsbug.com

  • Isom

    Buffet to invest in Tmobile! :)

    • Guest

      After he pays his taxes. Another iphoney.

      • Craigers

        You’re an idiot.  Stop trolling.

        • Anonymous

          Are you sure that you aren’t the idiot?

        • Anonymous

          Are you sure that you aren’t the idiot?

        • Anonymous

          Are you sure that you aren’t the idiot?

        • Anonymous

          Are you sure that you aren’t the idiot?

        • Anonymous

          Are you sure that you aren’t the idiot?

        • Anonymous

          Are you sure that you aren’t the idiot?

    • Guest

      After he pays his taxes. Another iphoney.

  • Yancy

    I do believe that a lot of you are crazy. T-Mobile is still profitable.. Have you ever looked at Sprint loosing money.. It would take a lot of loss for it to truly damage them.. Go DOJ they are pulling out the Bit*h slapping hand.. Please catch it on tape, would love to see At&T’s CEO get knocked off his chair! Lol.

    • Government Fromage

      T-Mobile is making an albeit small profit…for now.

      Just because Sprint’s situation is even worse doesn’t make TMO’s any better. They’re both faltering in comparison to the big two.

      • JBrowne1012

        t-mo could be turning a bigger profit this year if they weren’t trying to sell

        • Fred

          T-Mo has been losing customers and had declining profits for several years. That’s the reason DT is trying to unload them.

  • IT Guy

    Anyone who takes over also needs to invest in the network. Their HSPA system is fine for now, but when the other carriers start rolling out LTE, they’ll be left in the dust.

    Let’s just say for arguments sake that they get it for your number of $25b, and spend $5b on the network. Even if they up their profits to 5% or $1.5b, you’re still looking at 20 years before they can start getting a return on their investment. That doesn’t include future investments into the system.

    I don’t see too many companies jumping to possibly make a profit 2 decades from now.

    • lily

      Strange as this sounds, there were many landline telecoms in the 1980’s who did just that – invested in (and lost money for decades on) this wild idea of mass-market mobile cellular phones where you could actually make a phone call from your car! A very big company that evolved into Verizon comes to mind, as does a very big company called AT&T. It’s true that it would have to be a company with deep pockets and a leader with some vision, but I believe a better buyer for TMO is out there. 

    • Bz

      How about DT sell all of TMO network assets and become a MVNO on AT&T network. Then lay off majority of employees. What would DOJ do then??? Customer are still T-Mobile. That would makeme laugh so hard.

  • Jarrod

    Personally I think O2 would be good or apple / google those would be the only companies I would be fine with

    • Jarrod

      I meant Hutchinson three* not O2

  • DavidRockshisiPhonetobed

    First of all the deal is not over. ATT will pull back its favors from Obamarama and the “Jobs created or destroyed  argument will prevail. Kiss the iphone goodbye.

    Apple…RU for real. Why would they if Google would not.Do not think that their brand would make that traverse. But I may win the lottery tommorow.

    Look at the other hand. This is staged for Obama to come to the rescue.

    Watch and learn.

    Just ,keep buying those headsets, as Charlie Says….another brick in the wall.

    Be smart…renew your contract over and over. Data costs are rising. I may swing over to a 10 gig plan if thing keep going. They will pay me to terminate. I use my phone for work and never even hit a gig but heck….

    Bring on an iPad and i will get the 10 and switch the simm card until the cows come home.

    Got Milk??

    • the_truth

      The Obama Administration is anti-big business.

      • Don’t start with political beliefs here, I really have loved the fact that politics never have reached these forums, nor love or hate for any one politician. Please keep it that way.

        • the_truth

          I didn’t say I loved or hated at all–just stated a widely held opinion which is not just my own. Don’t tell me what to do,

        • the_truth

          I didn’t say I loved or hated at all–just stated a widely held opinion which is not just my own. Don’t tell me what to do,

        • Blake

          Yes, but just like this one line reply does. Your original one line reply comes across as a trolling response. Either contribute substantive comments or don’t bother.

        • the_truth

          Gee–are you two awipes moderators? I just made a statement. Get over yourself and go back to polishing your Prius.

        • the_truth

          Gee–are you two awipes moderators? I just made a statement. Get over yourself and go back to polishing your Prius.

        • Blake

          Yes, but just like this one line reply does. Your original one line reply comes across as a trolling response. Either contribute substantive comments or don’t bother.

  • Guest

    Am I seeing things…? 

    Has AT&T phased out the A-List feature just like T-Mobile did to MyFavs? It’s no longer listed a feature on their plan.. at least not at the moment.  

    • I can’t answer that, this is a T-Mobile forum…

    • I can’t answer that, this is a T-Mobile forum…

    • I can’t answer that, this is a T-Mobile forum…

    • I can’t answer that, this is a T-Mobile forum…

      • Guest

        Mike,

        I’m not sure if this is your futile attempt at being clever or if you truly believe this has nothing to do with T-Mobile… 

        Try not to be so shortsighted… I’m certain it happened this week. 

    • I can’t answer that, this is a T-Mobile forum…

    • I can’t answer that, this is a T-Mobile forum…

    • I can’t answer that, this is a T-Mobile forum…

    • I can’t answer that, this is a T-Mobile forum…

    • Anonymous

      yes they have.

      • Guest

        Thank you!

    • Anonymous

      yes they have.

  • Anonymous

    It’s astonishing to me to see all the comments favoring Google, Apple or whatever random tech company the poster happens to feel favorably towards as possible buyers for T-Mobile. 

    Google’s business is advertising. What on earth would they do with a cell phone carrier, and even if they were inclined to make such an acquisition, stop and think through the implications of a cell phone carrier becoming property of company whose raison d’etre is collecting information about consumers for marketing purposes. 

    Apple? They are fundamentally an electronics manufacturer. What would they do with a wireless carrier? The giant conglomerates of the sixties and seventies are largely things of the past. Corporations today (with certain notable exceptions) have moved increasingly towards being “leaner and meaner” with a tight focus on their core competencies. The history of corporate America is replete with examples of corporations whose fate was sealed by poorly thought out acquisitions. 

    And Warren Buffet? That’s ludicrous. Berkshire Hathaway is basically a hedge fund specializing in consumer products, insurance and financial services. If anybody has been paying attention to the financial news in the past few years, you’d note that Warren Buffet’s major investments involve situations where he can invest significant amounts of money in exchange for what amounts to a guaranteed (and relatively speedy) profit. There is no indication that he is interested in purchasing a technology company at a vastly inflated price whose future prospects are questionable and whose long term profitability is contingent on massive network investments being made in the near future.

    Simply because something is available for purchase does not make it attractive, even if the company in question has some prospect of turning a profit. There are plenty of businesses around the world who are capable of acquiring T-Mobile, the problem is that few of them seem terribly interested, and the ones who have expressed an interest have a questionable ability to complete such a transaction successfully. 

    The merger with AT&T is a terrible deal for consumers, and regardless of whatever empty promises AT&T has made to the contrary, I suspect an even worse deal for T-Mobile’s employees. (I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume that AT&T will make whatever promises about employee retention that they feel like the need to make in order to assure the deal’s approval by regulators, then renege on those promises in the future and let matters sort themselves out through litigation.) It is however, the best deal for Deutsche Telekom, and it is hardly shocking that DT is committed to seeing it through at all costs. 

    And if the deal doesn’t go through? Well, the biggest wireless operator in the world is China Mobile. They’ve got plenty of free cash sitting around, and have no doubt contemplated entry into the US market. As our largest creditor, the US government is hardly in a position to block them. Think on that for a moment and ask yourself how opposed to AT&T-Mobile you really are.

    • ConspiracyTheory

      As I see it, the firing sprees at tmobile will continue to happen… this is done to deflate operational costs and look appealing to other potential buyers.  t-mobile thinks they are above the law.  

      • Guest

        How is firing reps working “at will” against the law?

        • boobalah

          I would think there is something illegal about the recent firings so tmob can avoid paying severance… Or something illegal about mass firings in order to deflate operational costs in an attempt to defraud potential buyers.

        • Anonymous

          There is nothing illegal about cost-cutting. It happens all the time.

          T-Mobile employees might potentially have a civil cause for action if they were fired to avoid paying a promised severance. I don’t really know what the case law is there, and such things will vary from state to state. Even if that were the case, they would most likely be limited to recovering actual damages (lost wages, promised payouts and the like) and would of course have to prevail in court first. 

        • boobalah

          I beg to differ… Also tmobile is notorious for denying unemployment benefits to these fired employees. Many unfortunately have become homeless. This is an act of evil.

        • Anonymous

          It may be evil, but evil and illegal are not synonymous. Many things that are distasteful or even reprehensible are perfectly legal.

          There are many Americans (millions if you count the people who are in precarious housing situtations) who are homeless as a result of a job loss. Their plight is no less tragic then the situation faced by former T-Mobile employees who have lost their only source of income.

          Also, you seem to be operating under a common misconception. T-Mobile cannot ‘deny’ anyone’s unemployment claims. They can present their side of events and they can contest a decision that is unfavorable, but they are not the party who decides whether a former employee is eligible for UI. That decision is made by whatever state agency administers UI in the state where the worker was employed. I have a somewhat longer post about that process elsewhere on this thread.

        • boobalah

          I know of ppl fired in May who are still waiting for the UI appeal or judicator to make a decision. Its september… No income since May. Its barberic.

        • Anonymous

          Four to six months is pretty standard these days. I agree that its terrible, but the fault there lies in the failure of state governments to adequately fund the agencies that administer UI claims, you cannot lay the blame for that situation on T-Mobile’s doorstep.

          If you and your friends are angry about that (and you have every right to be angry, its an appalling situation) then you should contact your state legislators and the Governor’s office and make your opinion known.

        • boobalah

          You are right, the 4 months waiting is not tmobiles fault. And I have made same suggestion to my fired friends. They need to reach out to their legislators.

        • Gordo G

          Are you an Attorney? You seem to use sound logic and reasoning in your writing liken to a lawyer..Just wondering.

        • Anonymous

          Nope, just a faceless government drone. :)

          I’ve been toying with the idea of going to law school though…

        • ConspiracyTheory

          Tmob lies at hearings! I know this to be a fact.

        • Anonymous

          Lots of employers lie at hearings. Lots of claimants lie at hearings as well. 

          In fact, I’d say, the ALJ (or whatever term is used for the appellate level adjudicator in your state) more often than not is reduced to figuring out who is lying the least during any given hearing, as both sides versions of events are understandably skewed by their own financial priorities. The best thing an employee can do is have a written timeline of events that they submit in writing to the adjudicating authority, along with corroborating (first-hand) and credible testimony from other people who witnessed the events in question and who are sympathetic to one’s cause. Get a lawyer if you can afford one, your chances of winning will go up significantly if you have competent legal representation. If you can’t afford a lawyer, contact your state bar association and ask them for a referral to a legal aid organization. Oh yeah, and make sure to actually read all the documents you get from your UI agency, and respond to them in a timely manner. You’d be shocked by how many cases are won or lost simply because somebody was careless and didn’t file an appeal on time. Heh, and actually showing up for the hearing helps too. :) (Again, you’d be shocked by how many cases are decided one way or the other because somebody didn’t bother to show up.) 

        • Anonymous

          Lots of employers lie at hearings. Lots of claimants lie at hearings as well. 

          In fact, I’d say, the ALJ (or whatever term is used for the appellate level adjudicator in your state) more often than not is reduced to figuring out who is lying the least during any given hearing, as both sides versions of events are understandably skewed by their own financial priorities. The best thing an employee can do is have a written timeline of events that they submit in writing to the adjudicating authority, along with corroborating (first-hand) and credible testimony from other people who witnessed the events in question and who are sympathetic to one’s cause. Get a lawyer if you can afford one, your chances of winning will go up significantly if you have competent legal representation. If you can’t afford a lawyer, contact your state bar association and ask them for a referral to a legal aid organization. Oh yeah, and make sure to actually read all the documents you get from your UI agency, and respond to them in a timely manner. You’d be shocked by how many cases are won or lost simply because somebody was careless and didn’t file an appeal on time. Heh, and actually showing up for the hearing helps too. :) (Again, you’d be shocked by how many cases are decided one way or the other because somebody didn’t bother to show up.) 

        • Anonymous

          Lots of employers lie at hearings. Lots of claimants lie at hearings as well. 

          In fact, I’d say, the ALJ (or whatever term is used for the appellate level adjudicator in your state) more often than not is reduced to figuring out who is lying the least during any given hearing, as both sides versions of events are understandably skewed by their own financial priorities. The best thing an employee can do is have a written timeline of events that they submit in writing to the adjudicating authority, along with corroborating (first-hand) and credible testimony from other people who witnessed the events in question and who are sympathetic to one’s cause. Get a lawyer if you can afford one, your chances of winning will go up significantly if you have competent legal representation. If you can’t afford a lawyer, contact your state bar association and ask them for a referral to a legal aid organization. Oh yeah, and make sure to actually read all the documents you get from your UI agency, and respond to them in a timely manner. You’d be shocked by how many cases are won or lost simply because somebody was careless and didn’t file an appeal on time. Heh, and actually showing up for the hearing helps too. :) (Again, you’d be shocked by how many cases are decided one way or the other because somebody didn’t bother to show up.) 

        • Anonymous

          It may be evil, but evil and illegal are not synonymous. Many things that are distasteful or even reprehensible are perfectly legal.

          There are many Americans (millions if you count the people who are in precarious housing situtations) who are homeless as a result of a job loss. Their plight is no less tragic then the situation faced by former T-Mobile employees who have lost their only source of income.

          Also, you seem to be operating under a common misconception. T-Mobile cannot ‘deny’ anyone’s unemployment claims. They can present their side of events and they can contest a decision that is unfavorable, but they are not the party who decides whether a former employee is eligible for UI. That decision is made by whatever state agency administers UI in the state where the worker was employed. I have a somewhat longer post about that process elsewhere on this thread.

  • Anonymous

    It’s astonishing to me to see all the comments favoring Google, Apple or whatever random tech company the poster happens to feel favorably towards as possible buyers for T-Mobile. 

    Google’s business is advertising. What on earth would they do with a cell phone carrier, and even if they were inclined to make such an acquisition, stop and think through the implications of a cell phone carrier becoming property of company whose raison d’etre is collecting information about consumers for marketing purposes. 

    Apple? They are fundamentally an electronics manufacturer. What would they do with a wireless carrier? The giant conglomerates of the sixties and seventies are largely things of the past. Corporations today (with certain notable exceptions) have moved increasingly towards being “leaner and meaner” with a tight focus on their core competencies. The history of corporate America is replete with examples of corporations whose fate was sealed by poorly thought out acquisitions. 

    And Warren Buffet? That’s ludicrous. Berkshire Hathaway is basically a hedge fund specializing in consumer products, insurance and financial services. If anybody has been paying attention to the financial news in the past few years, you’d note that Warren Buffet’s major investments involve situations where he can invest significant amounts of money in exchange for what amounts to a guaranteed (and relatively speedy) profit. There is no indication that he is interested in purchasing a technology company at a vastly inflated price whose future prospects are questionable and whose long term profitability is contingent on massive network investments being made in the near future.

    Simply because something is available for purchase does not make it attractive, even if the company in question has some prospect of turning a profit. There are plenty of businesses around the world who are capable of acquiring T-Mobile, the problem is that few of them seem terribly interested, and the ones who have expressed an interest have a questionable ability to complete such a transaction successfully. 

    The merger with AT&T is a terrible deal for consumers, and regardless of whatever empty promises AT&T has made to the contrary, I suspect an even worse deal for T-Mobile’s employees. (I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume that AT&T will make whatever promises about employee retention that they feel like the need to make in order to assure the deal’s approval by regulators, then renege on those promises in the future and let matters sort themselves out through litigation.) It is however, the best deal for Deutsche Telekom, and it is hardly shocking that DT is committed to seeing it through at all costs. 

    And if the deal doesn’t go through? Well, the biggest wireless operator in the world is China Mobile. They’ve got plenty of free cash sitting around, and have no doubt contemplated entry into the US market. As our largest creditor, the US government is hardly in a position to block them. Think on that for a moment and ask yourself how opposed to AT&T-Mobile you really are.

  • jammin

    January 22, 2013

     

    Attorney General David Addington announced this morning that
    the Perry administration would not pursue a defense of AT&T’s appeal of U.S.
    District Judge Huvelle’s decision last March in favor of the US Department of
    Justice’s antitrust suit blocking AT&T’s acquisition of T-Mobile USA,
    clearing the way for the acquisition to proceed.

     

    At an afternoon press briefing in Dallas, AT&T CEO Randall
    Stephenson spoke to reporters and announced that the planned acquisition is
    expected to be complete by the end of the month. He also revealed that the
    original takeover offer had a clause that allowed AT&T to revalue the
    purchase price of T-Mobile in the case of deteriorating market conditions if
    the deal did not close within 18 months of the original agreement between the
    boards of AT&T and Deutsche Telekom. Analysts expect the revised price to be
    less than half of the proposed takeover amount. DT’s lack of investment in
    T-Mobile’s network and T-Mobile’s continuing loss of customer base have led to
    a severe downturn in their revenue in the time since the deal was originally
    announced.

     

    In a remark reminiscent of former Vice-President Joe Biden’s
    comment to then President Obama at the signing of the 2010 Healthcare Act, an
    open microphone caught AT&T general counsel Wayne Watts remarking to Stephenson
    as he joined him at the podium that “this is what we f*****g paid those DC
    b*****ds 250 mil for.” It is believed that Watts was referencing AT&T’s
    Capitol Hill lobbying and campaign donations for Congressional elections in the
    past 4 years and their unprecedented “Super-PAC” donations to fellow Texan Rick
    Perry leading up to his November 2012 victory over Barack Obama. Critics also
    pointed to similarities to the relatively weak settlement that the Bush Administration
    reached with Microsoft in 2001 after the DOJ anti-trust division under
    President Clinton had won strong rulings at the Federal District and Circuit
    levels in their anti-trust suit against Microsoft.

    • Anonymous

      I’m confused.

    • Anonymous

      I’m confused.

    • Gmail

      THE PERRY ADMINISTRATION? 

      In your dreams…. 

      Most likely, the FCC will have an answer before 2013.

  • One thing that people have not been seeing is that DT has made a decision and the decision that they have made is that they want out of the North American market.  If it’s not AT&T it will be another company or an investment group will buy T-Mobile’s assets.

    • ConspiracyTheory

      Let me tell you the real story! Tmobile has gotten real shady and EVIL! The firing sprees have gotten out of control! They are on the rampage firing tenured reps and supervisors for the smallest things that would normally result in a verbal warning, some ppl have been fired for things that arent even an issue! we all know the real reasons here is to either avoid paying severence to tenured employees or to deflate the operational costs by eliminating people! This is not where the evil stops though, it gets worse! T-Mobile fights all unemployment benefits! Leaving people in a bad economy HOMELESS! yes HOMELESS! Do not be surprised when you start reading about thousands of lawsuits against t-mobile for their unconscionable acts of wrongful termination! The numbers will speak VOLUMES!

      • Anonymous

        They can terminate you for whatever they want to in at at-will employment state. You have no legal recourse unless you can prove there was some act of discrimination based upon your membership in a protected class. 

        That does not necessarily mean they are off the hook for UI (unemployment insurance) benefits. Of course they fight them, every business with an eye towards the bottom line does the same thing. Every worker who receives benefits costs their former employer thousands of dollars. 
        The best thing you can do as a worker is refuse to sign anything if you know you are being fired. They can’t make you sign anything, and anything you sign will be used against you later in the claims and appeals process. They may tell you that your last paycheck is contingent upon signing their termination documents, or that you are legally obligated to sign, or that signing just means that you’ve received the document and nothing more. Whatever they say, do not believe them. Simply refuse to sign and walk out. Management cannot legally withhold your final paycheck for refusing to sign a termination document, and T-Mobile does not provide references (either favorable or unfavorable) so you are not at risk of having your future employment prospects hindered by a refusal to sign whatever document they are placing in front of you.

        I cannot emphasize this enough. Sign nothing. Whatever you sign will almost assuredly be used against you in the future. And, regardless of what management tells you, go ahead and file your UI claim. Even if management says, “you’re being fired for cause, you won’t get unemployment” the fact is that T-Mobile does not determine if misconduct has occurred, that decision is up to a claims examiner in your state UI office and ultimately an Administrative Law Judge at the appellate level. Generally speaking, being fired for not meeting some metric does not constitute misconduct, nor does a bad call, a customer complaint or any one-off event. To prove misconduct, T-Mobile has to demonstrate that there was a documented pattern of behavior and that you received sufficient warning about your behavior or that the events that led to your termination were so egregious that no warning would be required. (This would include putting credits on your own account, telling a customer to f*** off, getting in a physical fight at work or drinking on the job, among others.) 

        If they have no documentation of your alleged misconduct (ie, things that you signed on your way out the door or a history of signed warnings) then they have to provide substantial evidence of misconduct through first-hand testimony. This can be very problematic and your chances of ultimately prevailing are much stronger, since in a termination where the employer is the moving party, the burden of proof lays on them. (Now, be aware that this is not the same sort of burden of proof that is used in a criminal courtroom, the standard here is generally “substantial evidence” which is a lower threshold then, “beyond a reasonable doubt.”)

        If you do win at the initial claims determination level, be aware that T-Mobile has an opportunity to appeal that decision, and that in the event that the appellate ruling goes against you, you may be required to repay all benefits received. 

        Your state UI office will have more information on this subject, and most likely has a website that includes links to the particular state laws that govern UI in your state, make sure to thoroughly research them. Every state administers their UI programs differently, and regulations will vary.

        • ConspiracyTheory

          Wow Rommey! You really know your stuff!

        • Anonymous

          Thanks :) (I deal with UI matters in my professional life.)

        • ConspiracyTheory

          Yeah I kinda figured that’s what you do for a living… Tmob must be keeping you very busy. Lol

        • Anonymous

          Not as busy as Wal-Mart or Sitel. (Ironically enough, a company that does contract work for AT&T.) 

          Actually, if I had to point to category of employers around here who fire the most workers, I’d have to say it’s the Indian casinos. They fire people left and right at the drop of a hat.

        • Anonymous

          Not as busy as Wal-Mart or Sitel. (Ironically enough, a company that does contract work for AT&T.) 

          Actually, if I had to point to category of employers around here who fire the most workers, I’d have to say it’s the Indian casinos. They fire people left and right at the drop of a hat.

        • boobalah

          So how bout tmob lieing at ui hearings? What to do??

        • Anonymous

          Well, beyond taking the steps to protect yourself on the way out the door (i.e. signing nothing) there’s not much you can do.

          Stick to your version of events, write them down so that you have a clear timeline which you can effectively communicate. If you can, bring witnesses to the hearing who can provide credible, first-hand testimony regarding the events that led to the separation that cast you in a favorable light. Don’t be afraid to stretch the truth or to present your side of the story in the most favorable way possible, T-Mobile has no compunctions about doing the same. (But, make sure that your account of events is clear, consistent and unimpeachable. Don’t exaggerate about things that can be easily refuted. In other words, if you’re going to lie, do so convincingly.) 

          In many states (probably all of them, but I don’t know this for sure, check with your state UI agency for more information about this) misconduct typically hinges on “the final event.” What this means is that lets say you had three warnings for being late, and then you had a bad call and got fired. While T-Mobile might tell you that they are firing you because of the totality of the circumstances and the number of previous warnings you had for other matters, your UI claim will live and die based on the final event. If you didn’t have a number of warnings for poor customer interactions, then you’re in a good position to be ultimately successful. (This, by the way, is something that many employers don’t understand.) Also, misconduct typically has to be “wanton and willful” or some variation on those terms, so as a general rule, things like customer complaints, repeatedly missing metrics, being late once and such things do not rise to the level of “willful and wanton.” 

          The best advice I can give is to obtain competent legal council if you lose at the initial claims determination level. UI is very complicated law, and there’s a lot at stake. If you have the means, this is one of those situations where the money you spend on an attorney may turn out to be some of the best money you’ve ever spent. This isn’t a guarantee, but with good representation, your odds of prevailing go up dramatically. 

          And if you lose at any level, appeal! (And do it on time!) The worst that can happen is you lose again, and you might win. If you exhaust your appeals before the UI agency, appeal to district court. If you can’t afford a lawyer, file pro bono. Like I said, the worst thing that can happen is you’re back in the same position you were before, and you never know, you just might win. 

          (Big disclaimer here: I am only really familiar with UI law in my own state, each state has different laws and regulations, and things vary from state to state. Don’t rely on anything I say here as legal advice, do your own homework. Oftentimes, even if a legal aid agency will not take your case, they will at least sit down with you and explain what the law is and what your general situation looks like from their perspective.) 

        • boobalah

          Thank you very much for your valuable info.

        • Anonymous

          Not as busy as Wal-Mart or Sitel. (Ironically enough, a company that does contract work for AT&T.) 

          Actually, if I had to point to category of employers around here who fire the most workers, I’d have to say it’s the Indian casinos. They fire people left and right at the drop of a hat.

        • ConspiracyTheory

          Yeah I kinda figured that’s what you do for a living… Tmob must be keeping you very busy. Lol

    • ConspiracyTheory

      Let me tell you the real story! Tmobile has gotten real shady and EVIL! The firing sprees have gotten out of control! They are on the rampage firing tenured reps and supervisors for the smallest things that would normally result in a verbal warning, some ppl have been fired for things that arent even an issue! we all know the real reasons here is to either avoid paying severence to tenured employees or to deflate the operational costs by eliminating people! This is not where the evil stops though, it gets worse! T-Mobile fights all unemployment benefits! Leaving people in a bad economy HOMELESS! yes HOMELESS! Do not be surprised when you start reading about thousands of lawsuits against t-mobile for their unconscionable acts of wrongful termination! The numbers will speak VOLUMES!

  • So!  Virgin Mobile, anyone???  I could see them running T-Mobile fairly well.  Seems exciting, actually – I could see them bringing lots of innovation to the table…  Somebody get Richard Branson on the line!

  • The Dude

    What about an IPO? Go public!

    • Anonymous

      Would you buy their stock? I certainly wouldn’t. 

    • Anonymous

      Would you buy their stock? I certainly wouldn’t. 

    • Anonymous

      Would you buy their stock? I certainly wouldn’t. 

    • Anonymous

      Would you buy their stock? I certainly wouldn’t. 

    • Anonymous

      Would you buy their stock? I certainly wouldn’t. 

    • Anonymous

      Would you buy their stock? I certainly wouldn’t. 

  • Anonymous

    China Mobile can buy T Mobile and let the invasion begin…

    • Frigadroid

      Funny I can imagine the line up of knock offs…
      HPC Sansation, Sams SGSS3 last but not least the Peachberry A-phone.
      Tmobile could revive their domination of the ghetto phone and poser market.

    • Frigadroid

      Funny I can imagine the line up of knock offs…
      HPC Sansation, Sams SGSS3 last but not least the Peachberry A-phone.
      Tmobile could revive their domination of the ghetto phone and poser market.

    • Nuts!

      Interesting idea. They have the cash and backing. They already make most of the phones in China, so just eliminate the middle man of Samsung, Motorola, etc. They make network equipment in China.

      They whole spying on the citizens part probably wouldn’t go over too well with our government leaders. Oh wait, AT&T already spies on American citizens through its agreements with the government.

      We owe China lots of cash, but that’s another issue.

  • Getmore Life

    How does DT preserve the value of T-Mobile USA?????  AT&T was willing to pay a premium others will not be willing to pay.  The fastest and best way to increase the value is to cut a deal with Apple for the iPhone and put T-Mobile USA on par with the other major carriers.  They can win in the market and just need a chance to prove it.  Do not believe the evil AT&T liars!

  • Nuts!

    What’s crazy about T-Mobile/DT is that the German Government owns 30% of DT stock. German workers are heavily unionized and generally have balanced relationships with employers. It is one of the reason their economy is strong and productive.

    I find it quite ironic that one of the largest owners of DT stock (German citizens) would actually supprt DT management in a protracted legal fight with the USA DOJ pro-consumer decision. Seriously, German citizens would be shocked with our fragmented, overpriced, and underachieving cellular options.

    • Anonymous

      That’s how badly the other 70% of the shareholders want DT out of T-mobile USA and reinvesting in their own local markets again.

    • Rommy0515

      German citizens could care less about our wireless options. 

      Also, your facts are wrong. The Federal Republic of Germany owns 15% of DT, not 30%. If you are going to quote facts, try to get them right. 

      http://www.telekom.com/dtag/cms/content/dt/en/36772

      Furthermore, such ownership does not imply that German citizens are shareholders (except for the number who undoubtedly are shareholders in their private capacity) any more than American taxpayers are shareholders in AIG. (Although I personally think that every American should have gotten a few shares along with their tax returns, but here I digress)

  • Nuts!

    What’s crazy about T-Mobile/DT is that the German Government owns 30% of DT stock. German workers are heavily unionized and generally have balanced relationships with employers. It is one of the reason their economy is strong and productive.

    I find it quite ironic that one of the largest owners of DT stock (German citizens) would actually supprt DT management in a protracted legal fight with the USA DOJ pro-consumer decision. Seriously, German citizens would be shocked with our fragmented, overpriced, and underachieving cellular options.

  • Guest

    Morgan Reed, executive
    director of the trade group, Association for Competitive Technology, said
    AT&T has at least one key fact on its side: Deutsche Telekom has said it
    does not plan to continue to invest in upgrading the T-Mobile network to
    deliver faster wireless. That means, “T-Mobile is not a competitor
    anymore,” Reed said.

    “T-Mobile has already
    stepped away from the table,” Reed noted. “We’re at three nationwide
    wireless carriers no matter what.”

    • Getmore Life

      Whatever. If you want to quote AT&T propaganda then at least try to make sense. 30+ million paying subscribers and over $1 billion in net profit do not add up to throwing in the towel.

    • Guest

      You will be at TWO after that merge… 

      The deal is DOA. Thank Sprint.

  • Getmore Life

    Here is the next owner of the T-Mobile USA network.  Carlos Slim the weathiest man in the world.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Slim
     
    Ever heard of Tracfone, Straight Talk, Net10?  Owned by Mr Slim.
     
    http://www.usatoday.com/money/world/2010-06-17-mexowned_N.htm

  • sparced

    yet another article on the fallout from this mess for T-mobile USA.. this time from the New York Times

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/technology/t-mobile-may-suffer-if-att-deal-fails.html

  • Getmore Life

    Look up the next owner of the T-Mobile network.  Carlos Slim, the weathiest man in the world and owner of such American cellular phone brands as Tracfone, Straight Talk and Net10.  Enjoy.  AT&T does not deserve T-Mobile USA and neither does DT for that matter.  Do not believe the evil AT&T liars!

    • Anonymous

      And why exactly would it be preferable from the standpoint of a consumer for T-Mobile to be purchased by América Móvil instead of AT&T?

      Has América Móvil done anything that would make you believe that they are a better match or that somehow consumers and T-Mobile employees would be better off? 

      • Getmore Life

        Another cool aid drinker or AT&T propagandist.  Just read the comments on most any news media website article concerning this deal falling apart and you will see the hatred most people have for AT&T.  If a US carrier does not buy T-Mobile USA then at least we can keep the network, jobs, and customer service of T-Mobile after DT is long gone with their tail between their legs.  Good riddance of DT in my opinion. AT&T is also getting what they deserve – a slap in the face, and a kick in the a…  If you want specifics on the consumer and employee effects then read the DOJ filing.  Do not believe the AT&T liars!

        • Anonymous

          Apparently you haven’t paid attention to anything I’ve said. I never suggested that AT&T-Mobile was a good deal for anybody except AT&T & DT. Personally, if there is a company I detest more than AT&T, I’m hard pressed to think of what it might be. (Maybe Goldman Sachs?)

          But what on earth makes you think that America Movil is a better match? More importantly, what makes you think that such a purchase would end up benefitting consumers and employees? Did Carlos Slim win a “good guy of the year” award when I wasn’t looking? Do you think he got to be as rich as he is by looking out for the little guy? Are you seriously entertaining the notion that jobs would be saved through a purchase by a Mexican corporation? If so, I think you need to quit drinking the bong water.

        • Getmore Life

          OK goof ball.  I never said Carlos Slim was a savior or a saint.  I stated that I think he will be the next buyer of T-Mobile USA. To me it makes much more sense than others being mentioned like Google, Apple, Sprint, Buffett, satellite companies, cable companies, or a chinese company.  He is the richest person in the world, owns telecom companies in the USA and elsewhere, and is already involved with T-Mobile service as an MVNO.  I DO know that many many people hate AT&T and like the fact that they are getting B… slapped by the DOJ. Any deal that consolidates the major carriers is bad for comsumers and jobs in America.  I even think it speaks volumes that AT&T tried to dangle the 5,000 customer service jobs carrot for good will. Well if thay really had American jobs in mind they would bring those jobs back anyway.  Screw them.  Have fun trying to not look like you are pimping for AT&T on this forum.  Do not believe the AT&T liars! 

        • Anonymous

          Okay, fair enough. I may have misinterpreted your earlier statement. I’ll agree that America Movil is as likely a buyer for T-Mobile as any other phone company in the wake a failed merger and probably a more palatable choice for the regulators who would have to approve such a purchase than some other potential suitors that come to mind. 

          However, you still have yet to explain how exactly such a purchase is in the interests of consumers or affected employees, any more or less than an AT&T purchase would be, or a purchase by any other company for that matter. The thrust of my argument is that it doesn’t really matter who the marriage partner is, consumers and employees will lose, no matter what.

          I doubt there is any discussion in the boardrooms of any of the companies that have been mentioned here that goes something like this:

          “Guys, we really need to buy T-Mobile! We’re going to keep the prices low, keep the customer service good and keep the jobs in America!” 

          The prices are going up, the customer service is going down, and the jobs are going elsewhere, no matter who the ultimate ownership interests are. 

          This is life in America, circa 2011. It sucks, and I don’t think its what any of us had in mind when we were ushering in the new millennium a decade ago. This is simply another symptom of the disease, and the disease is the growth of the corporate-industrial state and the consolidation of corporate interests. 

          What it comes down to for me, is that at least AT&T is a nominally American enterprise, and the profits they reap will mostly stay at home. Yeah, it’s a bad deal for consumers, it’s a worse deal for the employees whose jobs are going to vanish, but its the best deal T-Mobile USA is going to find.

        • BigMixxx

          Dude’s portfolio of companies does look like it’s missing a significant american presence….he has the cash to push T mobile forward and become a bit more profitable.  

          This makes sense….

        • Anonymous

          Sure, it makes sense, as much as any other buyer makes sense. No dispute there. My assertion is that such a purchase presents no better deal for the affected stakeholders than an AT&T deal, and indeed, might end up being significantly worse. 

          There are a lot of English speakers in Mexico, and T-Mobile already outsources a great deal to call centers in Guadalajara and probably elsewhere in Mexico. With all respect to my Mexican brothers and sisters, do you think that a purchase by a Mexican company would cause T-Mobile to reduce or accelerate their pace of outsourcing?

          I don’t really know much about Carlos Slim, but I’m sure he didn’t get rich by being a dummy or through being unobservant of his bottom line. 

          I think, any way you slice it, the future of T-Mobile is not a bright one, for anybody concerned. All they can do now is to try to get the best deal they can from the only partner who has thus far showed a serious and credible interest in purchasing the company. 

        • Getmore Life

          Still pimping AT&T?  Face it AT&T is hated overall and your argument of well if someone is going to buy T-Mobile USA then it might as well be Ma Bell… is a very transparent promotion.  Like saying well if it will be bad it might as well be AT&T who picks up the pieces.  BS.  It will not be bad and AT&T knows it.  That is why they wanted to take out T-Mobile USA and thus make it likely that Sprint would fall as well.  Now that their iPhone leverage is gone they will lose unless they can somehow come to the realization that giving the consumer what he wants vs forcing him to buy your services is the best and most respectable way to long term success.  So DT wants to cash out with the best deal for THEIR shareholders.  Fine DT take your money and get the hell out of America.  Do not believe the evil AT&T and DT liars!

        • BigMixxx

          I think you might be wrong on the best deal portion.  T mobile, technically could go public, there is enough interest in the market for innovation.

          The best deal is not a WAY overpriced T mobile, but a right priced T mobile that leverages the customer base a bit more.  33 million consumers is a lot ( 25 million post paid ) roughly as many as Sprint has ( 28 million postpaid ) that can build revenue from.  Sprint made a seemingly crazy purchase of Nextel corp a while back and while they are still writing away more debt, they are gaining a lot more customers.  

          The same thing could quite possibly occur, if sprint stepped into the picture.

          Also, if the market is willing, T mobile, Metro, US Cellular and Leap could form another smaller company with very good offerings overall, looking at a customer base between 60 and 70 million.  There are LTE offerings in the mix, a lot of CDMA that is gonna go away and a bunch of AWS specturm.   (that is wishful thinking).  Lots of spectrum dumping and conversions, but a very good company in the long run.   

        • Anonymous

          Sure, but the American stock market has been a little rocky lately. If I were in DT management, I certainly wouldn’t want to bet the future on a favorable IPO right now. 

          I agree with you though about the price. If I were running AT&T, I would be seriously rethinking whether the merger makes any sense at it’s present valuation. 

          (Of course, with a breakup package worth six billion, it would be pretty hard to justify cutting your losses either.) 

        • AL

          I think it’s simple: If AT&T buys T-Mobile there will be less competition because Verizon a AT&T will own 80% of the market (basically a duopoly); But if any other company national or foreign (including the not-so-good Carlos Slim) buys T-Mobile, the competition will continue. Other benefits could be: no job losses, more investment, continued competition on the GSM market, etc. etc.

        • Anonymous

          Okay, that’s a valid point. :) 

        • Getmore Life

          I disagree that it makes no difference. Carlos Slim’s brands in the USA are all value brands that fit perfectly with T-Mobile value leadership.  Keeping T-Mobile as a separate network is absolutely the best solution for American jobs as well.  How is consolidation from a competitive landscape and network operations perspective better for job creation?  To a point more networks means more capital investment and more innovation. The DOJ is saying that this deal is anti competitive and by the way that is bad not good.  Black vs white, on vs off, truth vs lie.  Having a value leader and innovator with a good national footprint allows many many businesses to obtain more affordable communications services.  Consumers spending less on cellular service allows them to spend their dollars elsewhere in the economy instead of lining AT&T pockets.  Sorry but my opinion is the AT&T is absolutely the worst option for T-Mobile USA and the American consumer.  It is good for DT but who cares about them. Good riddance.  Do not believe the evil AT&T and DT liars!

        • Getmore Life

          OK goof ball.  I never said Carlos Slim was a savior or a saint.  I stated that I think he will be the next buyer of T-Mobile USA. To me it makes much more sense than others being mentioned like Google, Apple, Sprint, Buffett, satellite companies, cable companies, or a chinese company.  He is the richest person in the world, owns telecom companies in the USA and elsewhere, and is already involved with T-Mobile service as an MVNO.  I DO know that many many people hate AT&T and like the fact that they are getting B… slapped by the DOJ. Any deal that consolidates the major carriers is bad for comsumers and jobs in America.  I even think it speaks volumes that AT&T tried to dangle the 5,000 customer service jobs carrot for good will. Well if thay really had American jobs in mind they would bring those jobs back anyway.  Screw them.  Have fun trying to not look like you are pimping for AT&T on this forum.  Do not believe the AT&T liars! 

        • Getmore Life

          OK goof ball.  I never said Carlos Slim was a savior or a saint.  I stated that I think he will be the next buyer of T-Mobile USA. To me it makes much more sense than others being mentioned like Google, Apple, Sprint, Buffett, satellite companies, cable companies, or a chinese company.  He is the richest person in the world, owns telecom companies in the USA and elsewhere, and is already involved with T-Mobile service as an MVNO.  I DO know that many many people hate AT&T and like the fact that they are getting B… slapped by the DOJ. Any deal that consolidates the major carriers is bad for comsumers and jobs in America.  I even think it speaks volumes that AT&T tried to dangle the 5,000 customer service jobs carrot for good will. Well if thay really had American jobs in mind they would bring those jobs back anyway.  Screw them.  Have fun trying to not look like you are pimping for AT&T on this forum.  Do not believe the AT&T liars! 

        • Lol at drinkingthebongwater

          but bong water taste so good

        • Marc89

          Orange Mobile and Telefonica are excellent and both use GSM technology and the Tmbole 3G bands.  They are HUGE euro phone comanies who have dealt with Tmobile before.

        • Marc89

          Orange Mobile and Telefonica are excellent and both use GSM technology and the Tmbole 3G bands.  They are HUGE euro phone comanies who have dealt with Tmobile before.

      • MT3GS

        Look up Claro – Mobile service from the tip of Argentina up to the Mexican border with the U.S. – that is how that man made his money! THE MOST successful mobile franchise in Latin America second only to Telefonica’s – If he wants to pony up cash to buy a network here in the US, he would have done so by now.

        • IT Guy

          This is my thinking also. For all of the “xxxx” wants to buy T-Mobile claims I keep hearing here, I have to say “says who?”

          DT has been shopping T-Mobile for two years now. AT&T and Sprint were the only ones that made serious offers.

          With T-Mo’s continued decline, why would all sorts of new suitors be popping up *now*?

  • Disgusted

    After all is said and done att will have to spend close to 10B in lawyer, congressman and DOJ fees. The price of a monopoly is not cheap.

    • Marc89

      ATT is one of the riches companies in the World.  And yeah, they have a lot of sprectrum they aren’t using.  They can also built out LTE pretty quick with half the money they are paying for Tmobile.  They are just killing competition.  The iphone 5 will support tmobile AWS 3g…this is not good for AT&T is all carriers get the new iphone.

      They are just trying to kill competition.  It’s a wealthy, greedy company.

  • Anonymous

    At&T ALWAYS wanted an exorbitant deposits(At first $1,000 then $750). Verizon was second at $600. Sprint 3rd $150. T-Mobile? 10 lines, $0 deposit. When T-Mo is eaten alive by AT&T what’s gonna happen to people like me? I currently have Sprint voice plans and a T-Mobile broadband plan. People won’t be able to sign up for AT&T-Mobile with huge deposits like that. If I had $750, I would deposit it in my own bank to earn interest.

    • Marc89

      This deal won’t happen.  DOJ spelled it out clearer than they ever have in a document/suit filed.  Their lawsuit(case) is iron clad.

      AT&T is gunna have to buy off half the senators and judges (which they will try to do) to make it go through and then still sell be required to sell off half of Tmobiles assets if they REALLY, REALLY wants this to happen but IT WON”T.
       

    • Fray Contreras

      Umm…. Thats easy to explain… Your credit sucks. Fix your credit. Plus these are the reasons why companies like ATT and Verizon is on top of their game. They get good paying customers and I dont blame them for that. What T-Mobile has to do for them to be in a good shape is to raise their prices, not too much but raise it so they can make enough money to pay their expenses. You still gonna have your good customer service.

    • Fray Contreras

      Umm…. Thats easy to explain… Your credit sucks. Fix your credit. Plus these are the reasons why companies like ATT and Verizon is on top of their game. They get good paying customers and I dont blame them for that. What T-Mobile has to do for them to be in a good shape is to raise their prices, not too much but raise it so they can make enough money to pay their expenses. You still gonna have your good customer service.

  • Anonymous

    Dan Hesse is our Luke Skywalker.

  • Hothotlees

    why doesnt the executives at tmobile usa just take over the company and run it them selves? any thoughts on this

    • Ryna990

      You need a huge influx of cash to build out LTE.  DK has it but they say they are refusing now because they want the ATT deal to go through.  They (the germans make money by selling to ATT).

      • Getmore Life

        You got it.  Do not believe the evil AT&T and DT liars!

      • Getmore Life

        You got it.  Do not believe the evil AT&T and DT liars!

    • Anonymous

      That’s referred to as a leveraged buyout. The history of leveraged buyouts in America isn’t exactly a stellar one. The M&A bankers got very rich, and the shareholders cashed out, but many true blue American companies no longer exist due to LBO’s. (Of course, to be fair, there are also many cases where LBO’s made sense and the companies in question are still around, and still successful today.)

      Generally though, the company in question ends up saddled with enormous debts that are difficult to repay. 

      If you want an in depth, blow by blow account of an LBO, read Barbarians at the Gate written by Brian Burrough and John Helyar. It’s a fascinating read about one of the more notable business deals of the 80’s (the acquisition of RJR Nabisco by KKR) and trust me, it’s a page turner. 

    • Dewey Cox

      HUH?????

      Those idiots helped put us here in the first place.

      Let’s go get Dotson to see if he can run it. I wonder if he still thinks that there is no future in data services and maybe he will take a chance on that iPhone thingy.

  • Marc89

    Don’t forget the Billionaire owner of Telcel in Mexico who has showed alot of interest in Tmobile.

    • IT Guy

      Where has he shown this interest? Aside from people on these boards saying he wants to, I’ve seen no other indication of it.

      Neither a lexis-nexis search or Google show any articles where he’s said he wants to.

      I hear a lot of chatter on these boards about will buy T-Mobile, and then it gets repeated as fact.

      We need to look at what offers have actually been made. DT has been trying to peddle T-Mobile since 2009, and the only serious offers that have been made were from Sprint and AT&T. None of these other claimed suitors had any interest then, so I fail to see why the would now, as T-Mobile’s standing continues to slide.

      • GetmoreLife

        Please send a link to your “fact” information for a Sprint offer….  This is a forum where people express opinions.  Try to keep that in mind.  Most people have the opinion that AT&T should not buy T-Mobile for very good reasons.  If you need facts on that try the Department of Justice filing.  While their position opposing this buy out is not settled it is alot closer to fact than some AT&T pimps would like to acknowledge.  Time will tell and my opinion is that AT&T deserves nothing more than to be stomped on by the DOJ, the marketplace, God, and anyone else with big boots.  If you do not like that opinion well too bad.  Do not believe the evil AT&T liars!

        • IT Guy

          online. wsj. com /article/SB10001424052748704758904576188460213670064.html

          (Sorry, can’t paste a link directly)

          I am no fan of AT&T. I probably dislike them as much as you do, but I’m trying to be objective. The way I see it, there are only so many options, and none of them are very good.

        • Ericd

            All true about AT&T, I had my bags packed to bolt if the merger happened.  It would be really nice if one of the good guys bought TMO.

        • Ericd

            All true about AT&T, I had my bags packed to bolt if the merger happened.  It would be really nice if one of the good guys bought TMO.

        • Ericd

            All true about AT&T, I had my bags packed to bolt if the merger happened.  It would be really nice if one of the good guys bought TMO.

  • Silk7412

    attention walmart shoppers t mobile is now for sale. Ha ha ha

    • could be worse. They can sell t-mobile service during the blue light special at kmart.

    • could be worse. They can sell t-mobile service during the blue light special at kmart.

  • Nuts!

    Source Wikipedia:

    “As of June 2008, the German government still holds a 15% stake in
    company stock directly, and another 17% through the government bank KfW.”

    Semantics. Obviously we see things differently about representation versus ownership.

    Regardless, AT&T and DT don’t have a chance in h___ winning in court against the DOJ. Look at the history of DOJ decisions.

    Another buyer will emerge. T-Mobile will get cash, spectrum, and most importantly, favorable data roaming rates from the breakup clause. T is looking better all the time and potential suitors will jump in once AT&T/DT come to their senses and admit defeat.

  • Dewey Cox

    Ya know..Walmart might not be a bad option. They have the money. They already sell the service and the pricing would be good. 
    Their customer base is similar to ours. Worth mentioning.
    What about Cox Cable? They are getting into the cell phone business.

  • Dewey Cox

    Ya know..Walmart might not be a bad option. They have the money. They already sell the service and the pricing would be good. 
    Their customer base is similar to ours. Worth mentioning.
    What about Cox Cable? They are getting into the cell phone business.

    • Oh God! No.. don’t put me in the same group as walmart shoppers! haha..

    • Oh God! No.. don’t put me in the same group as walmart shoppers! haha..

  • Dewey Cox

    Ya know..Walmart might not be a bad option. They have the money. They already sell the service and the pricing would be good. 
    Their customer base is similar to ours. Worth mentioning.
    What about Cox Cable? They are getting into the cell phone business.

  • Anonymous

    T-Mobile is going down either way!!  Why are people so convinced that DT will just be “forced” to run Tmobile USA, lol.

  • Anonymous

    T-Mobile is going down either way!!  Why are people so convinced that DT will just be “forced” to run Tmobile USA, lol.

    • As much as i don’t want the at&t merger to go through, i don’t want to see DT forced to run it either. ( But would gladly take that over at&t still!). The t-mobile brand will get so bad that metropcs would have a better brand image! I personally hope vodaphone pulls out of verizon and gets tmobile. Run the network right. actually build out. Put some real money here! Compete head on with verizon. They can save a LOT of money letting their own customers around the world roam on t-mobile. As of now, none of them can roam on verizon due to verizons cdma technology.

    • As much as i don’t want the at&t merger to go through, i don’t want to see DT forced to run it either. ( But would gladly take that over at&t still!). The t-mobile brand will get so bad that metropcs would have a better brand image! I personally hope vodaphone pulls out of verizon and gets tmobile. Run the network right. actually build out. Put some real money here! Compete head on with verizon. They can save a LOT of money letting their own customers around the world roam on t-mobile. As of now, none of them can roam on verizon due to verizons cdma technology.

  • Elder Mo

    Well the crappy services has started. Three times this week I told TMO I was not interested in converting my current no contact service to a 2 year contract. They are slow learners and don’t want to take no for an answer. The result of saying NO has been disruption of my data service, poor reception an no service in areas where I always have service. Coincidence? or purposeful on the part of TMO. Two calls to TMO customer care finds “nothing wrong”. The third call was the most interesting: “The system shows you used all of your data allocation and have to wait until your account renews”.

    Wait TMO, my data service has been turned off most of the month. I checked it this morning and used only 1.53 mb…so I used 198 mb in less than 4 hours. TMO did further trouble shooting and found that the “wrong imei was registered in the system”. WTF. So if the wrong imei number was in the system how is it that they I could make and receive calls? Now the second line on my plan is experiencing problems with reception, calls going through. In the 5 years I have been with TMO I have never experienced such problems. My service has been very stable. I suspect that the TMO custom care department is f’ing with me for not signing a 2 year contract.

    • Bratty

      Sorry dude, you aint that important to TMo that they will mess with your service.

    • Faren Cline

      imei’s are rarely changed manually and done by the sys automatically with a couple day delay. not to mention you may just be having a network issue that hasnt been tagged to your account. not to mention as well that 198mb is not that hard to use in 4 days, but more than likely you were a flexpay migration and carried data usage from your flex cycle to your post cycle for the first month. 

      I also wonder if you wear foil on your head because the aliens are trying to sell your home insurance and because you dont sign they are messing with your tv reception in your bomb shelter that you sit in every afternoon while dusting your supply of canned goods and cleaning your ak-47

      • Me

        he said 198mb in less than 4hours, not 4days. thats about 50mb every 30mins. Its possible, but highly unlikely. tmobile lost 300,000 post paid customers in june 11. They need more customers to sign a two year contract

  • Elder Mo

    Well the crappy services has started. Three times this week I told TMO I was not interested in converting my current no contact service to a 2 year contract. They are slow learners and don’t want to take no for an answer. The result of saying NO has been disruption of my data service, poor reception an no service in areas where I always have service. Coincidence? or purposeful on the part of TMO. Two calls to TMO customer care finds “nothing wrong”. The third call was the most interesting: “The system shows you used all of your data allocation and have to wait until your account renews”.

    Wait TMO, my data service has been turned off most of the month. I checked it this morning and used only 1.53 mb…so I used 198 mb in less than 4 hours. TMO did further trouble shooting and found that the “wrong imei was registered in the system”. WTF. So if the wrong imei number was in the system how is it that they I could make and receive calls? Now the second line on my plan is experiencing problems with reception, calls going through. In the 5 years I have been with TMO I have never experienced such problems. My service has been very stable. I suspect that the TMO custom care department is f’ing with me for not signing a 2 year contract.

  • Mini Mouse

    T-mobile’s white knight is the man “Limitless” is inspired by. He took over Cisco and John Chambers simply by using his mind. T-mobile Carly was his idea. He’s planning on changing T-mobiles name to “Medusa.” and having it run by women. He’s going to merge Rogers Communications (Canada) with T-mobile and the largest Mexican GSM carrier. You may have seen the T-mobile Mexico ads? You don’t know his mother. He’s also working on merging with one of the British carriers as well. Norway has their Norwegian sovereign fund and $550 billion to donate to his cause. He’s pretty much taking over the world. You will all meet him soon.

    He said JOB from the bible is to blame. Ethan Hunt from Mission Impossible has nothing on Hans Gruber and his white knight. He’s a modern day Thor. Enjoy the show! 

  • NBIQ

    HANG IN THERE TMOBILE USA!

    When all this noise is over and the peanut gallery in the forums, switch to another channel, start running your business like a hungry little startup. 

    • Provide free texting to new contracts.
    • Partner with content providers like Amazon, ESPN, Disney, NBA, Netflix (like cable TV model)• Provide free data streams to the partner sites listed above (Data from partner sites does not detract from the customer’s data limit. Example always allow Disney content. Always allow NBA content.)
    • Make me happy. 
    • Provide iPad/tablet exclusives. Free audio books, free kids book bundles. 
    • Steal back Starbucks wifi hotspot contracts from AT&T (longshot, but I’m thinking large) 
    • Partner with SOMEONE for Mobile Broadband standards/services.
    • Allow massive reselling of your voice plans to third tier providers (house brands, etc)
    • Grow your market share. Apple took her time but the Mac sales are finally a larger percentage of the overall desktop market. 

    You have a role to play TMOBILE USA.. Please show up to this fight. 
    Thank you!

  • Nina

    I really think they should reconsider selling any part of the company to AT&T because all they are trying to do is take all of your customers and screw them over when it comes to their plans. They say that they will honor the plans that customers have now but when this deal is done they are going to give the customers their ASS to kiss. DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN TO THE CUSTOMERS.

    • Ericd

       Very true, they are only saying what they think is necessary in order to get what they want.  The whole goal is to push the consumers to the ground and take all of the money out of their wallet.

  • Nina

    I really think they should reconsider selling any part of the company to AT&T because all they are trying to do is take all of your customers and screw them over when it comes to their plans. They say that they will honor the plans that customers have now but when this deal is done they are going to give the customers their ASS to kiss. DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN TO THE CUSTOMERS.

  • Joel

    I agree with Nina. AT&T’s primary interests are to eliminate a part of their competition and then screw them all like their Verizon counterpart (who will be their only true competition). Sprint is a joke in my opinion, and thus a non-factor. The only next best threat would be the pre-paid carries like Metro…which is my next option after T-Mobile. The day I spend $180 for two lines is the day hell freezes over.

  • Joel

    I agree with Nina. AT&T’s primary interests are to eliminate a part of their competition and then screw them all like their Verizon counterpart (who will be their only true competition). Sprint is a joke in my opinion, and thus a non-factor. The only next best threat would be the pre-paid carries like Metro…which is my next option after T-Mobile. The day I spend $180 for two lines is the day hell freezes over.

  • maybe they’ll finally stop trying to scam people out of money and do their jobs properly! 

  • Bob

    I for one would love to see Google buy up T-Mobile.

  • Bob

    I for one would love to see Google buy up T-Mobile.

  • Beau Bennett

    Look, AT&T initially ‘claimed’ they could not afford to upgrade everyone on their network to 4G without buying T-Mobile first.  Then, it was discovered that the upgrade to 4G was only 1/10th the cost of buying T-Mobile. AT&T was caught red-handed in a bald-faced lie trying to rid itself of a competitor. These are the facts folks, like it or not.

    Now, who wants to stay with, or sign-up with a corporation who blatantly lies to the Federal Government and millions of Americans?  Not me.  There are solid, legitimate reasons for people to absolutely hate AT&T.  We have just added a few more reasons.