AT&T Responds To Fight The Merger

I told you this was one of the most interesting aspects of this merger saga, and it just got more interesting.  After posting the Fight The Merger post, AT&T contacted us with this statement:

The claims made by the Bursor & Fisher Law Firm are completely without merit.  An arbitrator has no authority to block the merger or affect the merger process in any way.  Our arbitration provision allows customers to resolve their individual disputes with AT&T in a prompt and consumer-friendly manner.”

So unfortunately this move may not be able to affect the merger.  Sad to hear, but it’s still clear that there is plenty of opposition to this merger.

 

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  • Anonymous

    DT expected to come into the US market 10 years ago, not spend any money and see wild success. The reason tmo is so affordable for the consumer is that they haven’t spent any money building out the network more and marketing. ATT and VZW have spent tons of money and they’re the top 2 US carriers. TMOs failure to keep pace with the other carriers over the years is the main reason why they’re up for sale now. Don’t blame ATT for DT/TMOs unwillingness to keep up. There’s no logical argument against the buyout…..period…..TMO has been losing more pospaid customers than it gains. Opposition cries about lack of competition with tmo being out of the picture. Well obviously not many ppl see tmo as viable option now, so keeping them around wouldn’t change that. If more ppl were interested in tmo service, tmo wouldn’t be up for sale. TMOs parent company doesn’t want them anymore and since tmo is a failing company with weak market position, noone outside the wireless industry wants to buy. (And I don’t blame them)…..As a company, tmo has done everything right except be successful. They’ve sacrificed success by being the good guy. You can’t have it both ways…….Sprint will realize this soon too as they’ll be forced to spend more money to keep pace with vzw and att.

  • Addictedtocars

    ATT is smoking drugs to think we are stupid enough to buy their bull. Sure they will get the merger because of lobbying dollars, they will buy congress and FCC. But in the end they will never convince Joe consumer this deal is good for consumer!

    • Anonymous

      thus far, to date, ATT have been the only major carrier involved to a large extent providing wireless to the budget minded, the seniors, and the under privileged. I may have been indirectly through tracfone, but it’s still AT&T that are providing the infrastructure, the network, and the spectrum at cheap enough whole sale prices, to provide the MVNO with enough space to actually manage a business on seriously low potential profit margins. Just an example – tracfone’s SVC (for pensioners, and seniors) plan, is the only affordable rpepaid, wireless option out there for seniors.

      • Christopher Woodruff

        Well, what about T-Mobile? Virgin Mobile? Boost? All of these companies have done this in the past and still do today. I understand that many senior citizens are on a budget, but how cheap are we actually talking here? Any other company would not have given me the credit to get a postpaid plan (AT&T $500 deposit, Verizon $150 deposit), but T-Mobile did and that stuck with me. I understand the whole prepaid deal for some, but really, prices can only go so low. I don’t see how AT&T through its MNVOs can provide cheaper service than any other MVNOs.

    • Anonymous

      thus far, to date, ATT have been the only major carrier involved to a large extent providing wireless to the budget minded, the seniors, and the under privileged. I may have been indirectly through tracfone, but it’s still AT&T that are providing the infrastructure, the network, and the spectrum at cheap enough whole sale prices, to provide the MVNO with enough space to actually manage a business on seriously low potential profit margins. Just an example – tracfone’s SVC (for pensioners, and seniors) plan, is the only affordable rpepaid, wireless option out there for seniors.

  • aaa

    yea shut it

  • aaa

    yea shut it

  • MIKEEEEE

    att sure is spending a lot of money for advertising and lobbying.

    i hope they got to spend a lot more, while t-mo keeps hemorrhaging accounts.

    imagine if att tries to renegotiate?

    they should have fast tracked the deal and closed in 60 days.

    att was really stupid.

    • Daniel7992

      I’m sure att and tmobile could really doesn’t care what you think. Your thoughts and opinion don’t matter to them. A merger is not like buying a car or a house stupid. There is a lot more to it than you’re capable of understanding. So, please stop with your useless comments.

      • MIKEEEEE

        @1699e7c7a9a172f4bd31e58bd011e0f9:disqus , what if i don’t? 
        look at the santa fe southern pacific rail merger.

        white knight with evil intentions gets burned at the altar.

        are you long att?

        like i said they should have closed the deal in 60 days.

        my biggest hope is they have to divest a lot of spectrum to sprint so they will cover 38221.

        i’m a proud former customer of bellsouth, southwestern bell, att wireless and southern new england telephone so this aint my first time at the rodeo.

        been with voicestream/t-mo for 10 years.

      • MIKEEEEE

        @1699e7c7a9a172f4bd31e58bd011e0f9:disqus , what if i don’t? 
        look at the santa fe southern pacific rail merger.

        white knight with evil intentions gets burned at the altar.

        are you long att?

        like i said they should have closed the deal in 60 days.

        my biggest hope is they have to divest a lot of spectrum to sprint so they will cover 38221.

        i’m a proud former customer of bellsouth, southwestern bell, att wireless and southern new england telephone so this aint my first time at the rodeo.

        been with voicestream/t-mo for 10 years.

      • Halo

        It’s not a merger assclown

      • Halo

        It’s not a merger assclown

      • Halo

        It’s not a merger assclown

      • Rush8220

        Honestly your commet was pretty useless what make you so smart to put down ppl for their opinion

      • Rush8220

        Honestly your commet was pretty useless what make you so smart to put down ppl for their opinion

      • Rush8220

        Honestly your commet was pretty useless what make you so smart to put down ppl for their opinion

  • Try Googling Me

    Personally I feel that if the merger were to be approved it should be done in no lesss that 18 months. I say this because I think TMO will be in better shape in the next coming months as long as they continue to put out great phones(HTC Sensation) and build on the network 4G and “continue to advertise” which has fallen off, I wonder why(FCC/DOJ) where are you at? Ever since the merger happened the I hate AT&T advertisements have disappeared. Anyway, iPhone 5 around the corner and word is it will be available to TMO as well and AT&T will really see where the competition comes from, most will buy for TMO and Verizon….I bet even if it was 3G speed more will go to TMo before AT&T(3G on TMO)…AT&T service sucks, I have them only bcz of the iPhone and that is it, my wife works for TMO and she is in management, so like all other TMO employees u get so many phones discounted or free depending n tenure and I turned that down because of the iPhone 4 not being 3G on TMO. Now that TMO has the portable 4G modem, I can now get my iPhone 4 to connect with this speed, so I will be canceling my AT&T for this combo…now if she wasn’t an employee this would not make sense money wise….but most of you see my point. If u don’t then hopefully my point will be proven if TMO gets iPhone 5 at launch….and when that happens a lot of revenue and subscriber issues that TMO has will disappear guaranteed!

  • Anonymous

    Well this is my final comment on TMoNews because the transformation is complete, as “they” said in one of those Star Wars movies, not sure which.

    Bottom line first, assuming people in here are with T-Mobile for the same reason as I, we are “value conscious,” I suggest you take a good look at prepaid and check out the phones (Virgin’s Motorola Triumph; Metro PCS’s Samsung Galaxy Indulge).

    http://www.virginmobileusa.com/cell-phones/motorola-triumph-phone.jsp?intcmp=p-hp-mps2-triumphlaunch-072011

    Also, good luck with the AT&T acquisition. I still say that instead of fretting over what will happen that you should take the bull by the horns and check for alternatives. That’s what I did, and I feel good cutting the cord and ending all the uncertainty. And knowing I am saving $2,100 over the next two years feels damn good too.

    Last week my GF ported our one T-Mobile line to Metro PCS, and yesterday I ported my T-Mobile number to Virgin Mobile (unintentionally I have gone back to Sprint, something I vowed to never do since they pissed me off in 2003. But Sprint bought Virgin Mobile and it’s now a Sprint company).

    Both Metro and Virgin are prepaid services, which I think is the way of the future as more and more consumers express an unwillingness to pay $2,000+ for a cell phone (24 month contract plus the cost of the phone). The mass exodus will come as prepaid carriers get decent phones and word gets out that such are available. 

    Also, people will wake up to the fact that paying $2,000+ for a phone and service is a waste of money because they are not or will avoid using carriers’ data plans.  (Consumers will reject two year contracts and high prices when all they mostly do is check e-mails and get an occasional Facebook update.) Moreover, the carriers’ hypocritical money grab will backfire. (Consumers are not that stupid, where they watch commercials advertising all kinds of bandwidth sucking uses for the phones, then punish people with higher prices and label them data hogs, even if they only once in awhile use those services.  For example, if one watched a streamed movie once a week, listened to some music, and downloaded a few apps, he would be branded excessive users by the self-appointed “everyone should be like me, I don’t use much data” clowns who hang in here or who work for the carriers.)

    Anyway, now that there’s great phones available for prepaid, for me that took away the main roadblock to switching. (Signal and service was not an issue since Virgin uses Sprint and Metro has good coverage in my region, San Francisco Bay Area.)

    Since T-Mobile’s customer service degraded to where I dreaded calling them for anything, there went my reason to stay LOYAL to T-Mobile. (Calls would take 45 minutes, hold times were 10 to 20 minutes, and the CSRs were incompetent, rude, negligent. I could go through a list, but I’m not going to bore you with the issues I had.  Besides many fanboys in here think it’s the customers who are the problem, certainly the CSRs of a company that got the JD Powers customer satisfaction award could not be the problem. Does not matter, does it.  I am entitled to be pissed off that one time I suffered an $80 double charge, the CSR said I simply did not know how to read a bill, then a supervisor admitted T-Mobile was wrong, then it took two months after that to finally get my money back. I am entitled to get angered that T-Mobile charged me for T-Mobile TV even though I did not order the service and it took many phone calls and three months to get the $60 back ($10 monthly charge).

    Degradation of T-Mobile’s customer service (and the jerk responses posted in here by T-Mobile employees) obliterated the reason why I stuck it out with T-Mobile. I recall in 2006-07 when we used to post on the boards that while T-Mobile may not have the best handsets or service, its customer service was legend, so we were happy to stay loyal. But that all changed in 2009 when the decline in customer service started.

    Now I have a Motorola Triumph, a prepaid phone with a 4.1″ screen, looks like a Droid, has a 1gHz processor and Android 2.2.2 And what was uber cool, I installed the Netflix app and with my Netflix account I can play streamed movies (I use WiFi, of course, since Virgin throttles like T-Mobile, after one’s 2.5 GB limit is exceeded). It was interesting that Virgin is not even advertising the Netflix app, I simply installed it, in three minutes, from an Android Central link.

    But the main factor I have switched to prepaid, the Virgin plan, with 2.5 GB 3G data, unlimited text and 1200 talk minutes is $40 monthly, taxes and fees included.  And there’s no contract.  If something better comes up, I can sign up for the plan.  If it’s with another carrier, I can simply not pay next month’s bill and the account closes.

    Gone is the 24 month contract (which is where carriers make the big money), gone are ETF penalties, and for me gone is T-Mobile’s rude, incompetent, negligent customer service.

    Yes, all you can flame me and defend T-Mobile, what do I care. After all:

    YOU are not paying MY bill, are you. 

    YOU do not have the same needs and desires as I do, in a phone nor service/data.

    Why on earth would anyone with an ounce of sense govern his or her based on how some stranger lives or based on insulting, rude, or condescending comments made on these boards.

    I will gladly listen to you if you will assume paying my T-Mobile bill and for two $500 phones.  Write me a check for $4,260 and I will even let you call me names in here.  Assuming you won’t take me up on that offer, I am gone.  I’ll be the one paying $2,660 for two smartphones and 24 months of service, that is, instead of the $4,260 you are not going to send me.

    Bonus Comment: You should take a look at Virgin and the Motorola Triumph.  The phone is receiving rave reviews all over the Net.  You can find it on eBay for about $275 now, as competition for sales increases.  It’s $300 on Virgin’s site. Also look at Virgin’s plans.  The plan I have went up to $45, but even that is a good price compared to T-Mobile’s best valued plans, that require a 24 month contract to get.

    Remember, there’s a reason why carriers fear prepaid. There’s a reason why Apple is coming out with a prepaid iPhone.  And there’s a reason why carriers need you to sign that 24 month deal.

    So see you all later, on some other site.

  • Anonymous

    Well this is my final comment on TMoNews because the transformation is complete, as “they” said in one of those Star Wars movies, not sure which.

    Bottom line first, assuming people in here are with T-Mobile for the same reason as I, we are “value conscious,” I suggest you take a good look at prepaid and check out the phones (Virgin’s Motorola Triumph; Metro PCS’s Samsung Galaxy Indulge).

    http://www.virginmobileusa.com/cell-phones/motorola-triumph-phone.jsp?intcmp=p-hp-mps2-triumphlaunch-072011

    Also, good luck with the AT&T acquisition. I still say that instead of fretting over what will happen that you should take the bull by the horns and check for alternatives. That’s what I did, and I feel good cutting the cord and ending all the uncertainty. And knowing I am saving $2,100 over the next two years feels damn good too.

    Last week my GF ported our one T-Mobile line to Metro PCS, and yesterday I ported my T-Mobile number to Virgin Mobile (unintentionally I have gone back to Sprint, something I vowed to never do since they pissed me off in 2003. But Sprint bought Virgin Mobile and it’s now a Sprint company).

    Both Metro and Virgin are prepaid services, which I think is the way of the future as more and more consumers express an unwillingness to pay $2,000+ for a cell phone (24 month contract plus the cost of the phone). The mass exodus will come as prepaid carriers get decent phones and word gets out that such are available. 

    Also, people will wake up to the fact that paying $2,000+ for a phone and service is a waste of money because they are not or will avoid using carriers’ data plans.  (Consumers will reject two year contracts and high prices when all they mostly do is check e-mails and get an occasional Facebook update.) Moreover, the carriers’ hypocritical money grab will backfire. (Consumers are not that stupid, where they watch commercials advertising all kinds of bandwidth sucking uses for the phones, then punish people with higher prices and label them data hogs, even if they only once in awhile use those services.  For example, if one watched a streamed movie once a week, listened to some music, and downloaded a few apps, he would be branded excessive users by the self-appointed “everyone should be like me, I don’t use much data” clowns who hang in here or who work for the carriers.)

    Anyway, now that there’s great phones available for prepaid, for me that took away the main roadblock to switching. (Signal and service was not an issue since Virgin uses Sprint and Metro has good coverage in my region, San Francisco Bay Area.)

    Since T-Mobile’s customer service degraded to where I dreaded calling them for anything, there went my reason to stay LOYAL to T-Mobile. (Calls would take 45 minutes, hold times were 10 to 20 minutes, and the CSRs were incompetent, rude, negligent. I could go through a list, but I’m not going to bore you with the issues I had.  Besides many fanboys in here think it’s the customers who are the problem, certainly the CSRs of a company that got the JD Powers customer satisfaction award could not be the problem. Does not matter, does it.  I am entitled to be pissed off that one time I suffered an $80 double charge, the CSR said I simply did not know how to read a bill, then a supervisor admitted T-Mobile was wrong, then it took two months after that to finally get my money back. I am entitled to get angered that T-Mobile charged me for T-Mobile TV even though I did not order the service and it took many phone calls and three months to get the $60 back ($10 monthly charge).

    Degradation of T-Mobile’s customer service (and the jerk responses posted in here by T-Mobile employees) obliterated the reason why I stuck it out with T-Mobile. I recall in 2006-07 when we used to post on the boards that while T-Mobile may not have the best handsets or service, its customer service was legend, so we were happy to stay loyal. But that all changed in 2009 when the decline in customer service started.

    Now I have a Motorola Triumph, a prepaid phone with a 4.1″ screen, looks like a Droid, has a 1gHz processor and Android 2.2.2 And what was uber cool, I installed the Netflix app and with my Netflix account I can play streamed movies (I use WiFi, of course, since Virgin throttles like T-Mobile, after one’s 2.5 GB limit is exceeded). It was interesting that Virgin is not even advertising the Netflix app, I simply installed it, in three minutes, from an Android Central link.

    But the main factor I have switched to prepaid, the Virgin plan, with 2.5 GB 3G data, unlimited text and 1200 talk minutes is $40 monthly, taxes and fees included.  And there’s no contract.  If something better comes up, I can sign up for the plan.  If it’s with another carrier, I can simply not pay next month’s bill and the account closes.

    Gone is the 24 month contract (which is where carriers make the big money), gone are ETF penalties, and for me gone is T-Mobile’s rude, incompetent, negligent customer service.

    Yes, all you can flame me and defend T-Mobile, what do I care. After all:

    YOU are not paying MY bill, are you. 

    YOU do not have the same needs and desires as I do, in a phone nor service/data.

    Why on earth would anyone with an ounce of sense govern his or her based on how some stranger lives or based on insulting, rude, or condescending comments made on these boards.

    I will gladly listen to you if you will assume paying my T-Mobile bill and for two $500 phones.  Write me a check for $4,260 and I will even let you call me names in here.  Assuming you won’t take me up on that offer, I am gone.  I’ll be the one paying $2,660 for two smartphones and 24 months of service, that is, instead of the $4,260 you are not going to send me.

    Bonus Comment: You should take a look at Virgin and the Motorola Triumph.  The phone is receiving rave reviews all over the Net.  You can find it on eBay for about $275 now, as competition for sales increases.  It’s $300 on Virgin’s site. Also look at Virgin’s plans.  The plan I have went up to $45, but even that is a good price compared to T-Mobile’s best valued plans, that require a 24 month contract to get.

    Remember, there’s a reason why carriers fear prepaid. There’s a reason why Apple is coming out with a prepaid iPhone.  And there’s a reason why carriers need you to sign that 24 month deal.

    So see you all later, on some other site.

    • Mopar6464

      It’s great that Virgin Mobile works for you which is Sprints network , but Sprint sucks for coverage in my area and not to mention their calls are always broken up sounding like atheir talking through a soup can.

      I am looking into prepaid services though as a back up plan so when this AT&T Buy-Out is complete i have other options than AT&T and Verizon.

      But i do agree with you on how T-Mobile’s Cs and plan s are changing in the wrong direction.

      But hay , stick around and fill us in on your prepaid adventure. Some of your replies are long winded but make alot of sence.

       

    • Briguydj32

      When you click on T-Mobile TV it clearly tells you you’re about to start a 30 day trial, and will be charged $10/mo afterwards if you don’t unsubscribe…

      I’m not saying YOU did it… but someone surely did it, with your phone. And who doesn’t look at their bill and noticed 6 months later? T-Mobile can’t take ownership of neglecting to look at your bill.

      • Anonymous

        Sigh… Disqus sent me a copy of your comment.  You just know I’m not gonna let a moron get away with insulting me, eh.

        You should not make assumptions and comment on things you know nothing about.  My comment about the T-Mobile TV was a “bullet point” of what happened (don’t you agree my post was already too long ;)

        Anyway, permit me to grade your efforts.  You get an:

        “F” in reading comprehension;

        “A” for the well-written, mendacious comment; and

        “F” for falsely accusing my dogs of watching TV on my cell phone.
        ____________________

        Seriously, so you won’t so quickly misjudge people, here’s the facts:

        – Where did I say that I was unaware about using T-Mobile TV?  I did not say that.  I said I did not ORDER it, which is an accurate statement.  I did NOT order it.  (See below.)

        – Where did I say that I did not notice I was being billed, for six months.  I didn’t say that.  It’s just your moronic assumption.

        – I watched T-Mobile TV under the 30 day free trial period.  Near the end of that 30 days, per instructions on the phone, I told T-Mobile ON THE PHONE I did NOT want the service.  Per what the phone said on a graphic, this meant I would NOT be charged for the service.

        Knowing that T-Mobile might screw it up, I took a pic of the cell phone display showing I selected that I did NOT want the service and a “screen shot” of the program acknowledging my selection.

        – Despite my canceling, sure enough the $10 charge was on my bill.  In other words, I noticed the charge immediately on it showing up on the bill.

        – So I did what I dreaded doing, I called T-Mobile customer service and spent about 30 minutes addressing this $10 charge.  At the end of the call the CSR assured 1) I would get a $10 credit, since I paid the bill; and 2) I would not be charged again.

        – Next month, there was another $10 charge for T-Mobile TV.  I figured the credit simply had not shown up yet so I waited a couple more billing periods.

        – This went on for six months, with my trying to get a credit for what was now $60 I had paid, to avoid the bill being technically past due.

        – After six months I called T-Mobile, obviously pissed off simply on principle, that the three times I called there were “promises” made and not kept.  Rather than go through everything again I simply called to cancel the service.  I was put through to retentions. A supervisor asked what was wrong and I said I did not want to talk about it, simply cancel the lines.  He persisted and I explained what went on.  He then said he would give me the $60 credit immediately and asked what else he could do.

        I said I did not call to get something free from T-Mobile so I did not want anything from him, even though I has spent a lot of my time dealing with this.  I then said to get the $60 credit on the account and I would think about things as I was too angered to think clearly.

        I then got busy on other things and ended up staying with T-Mobile for eight more months.

        Understand now. Next time you scold or insult someone make sure you are right on your facts and where you don’t know about something, don’t make assumptions.

        • The ATL Guy

          Werent you leaving?
          Dont you have to be somewhere with your bigshot legal carrier using prepaid phone service?
          LOLOLOLOLOL!

        • The ATL Guy

          Werent you leaving?
          Dont you have to be somewhere with your bigshot legal carrier using prepaid phone service?
          LOLOLOLOLOL!

        • The ATL Guy

          Werent you leaving?
          Dont you have to be somewhere with your bigshot legal carrier using prepaid phone service?
          LOLOLOLOLOL!

    • Halo

      Aren’t you some big shot lawyer?
      Getting prepaid service?
      What kind of legal professional has prepaid service?
      You must not be that successful.
      ,

      • 2Noob4U

        He probably is a lawyer that invests and knows how to save money… reads a lot of Consumer Reports magazines.

        Maybe he’s just smart with his money unlike the rest of us.

        • Anonymous

          Thanks for the defense.

          Truth be told, although outdated, his prepaid insult would have been accurate last year, something was up if a professional was using a prepaid phone. (And although I would not expect him to know this, there’s lots of “professionals” who use “unregistered” prepaid handsets to carry on confidential, untraceable secure conversations with clients. This prepaid use is not simply the stuff of Hollywood movies.  He should take notice of the next time he sees a guy in a $2,000 suit and $1,000 shoes talking on a Motorola W376 :)

          Back in 2009 I had a magazine article published on cell phones, which to buy, which to avoid.

          There was a letter to the editor (my publisher) that was forwarded to me.  It said that I did not mention prepaid as an alternative.  I wrote back that prepaid did not have any “professional grade” phones and that one could most definitely show up to meeting or formal proceeding whipping out a prepaid phone when everyone else is showing off with their iPhone, Palm or BlackBerry devices, phones that everyone present knows cost $500.

          In mid-2011 the above no longer holds true.  The BlackBerry Curve (many professionals and “Hollywood” still use boring looking BlackBerry phones), the Samsung Indulge and Motorola Triumph don’t look and function like what I call “prepaid faux smartphones.”

        • The ATL Guy

          MAN YOU ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COOL!! 

      • 2Noob4U

        He probably is a lawyer that invests and knows how to save money… reads a lot of Consumer Reports magazines.

        Maybe he’s just smart with his money unlike the rest of us.

      • Anonymous

        LOL… I took a screen capture of your comment.  It’s going in a magazine article about the current state of wireless and the prepaid stigma.  Congratulations, you are going to be famous.

        Despite your derision, you are (unintentionally) correct about the stigma of prepaid.  In my opinion, Virgin Mobile is aware of the prepaid stigma, so much so the Motorola Triumph, that looks like it’s from the Droid family, says “Motorola” on the front, and nothing else.  And on that back “Virgin Mobile” is hard to make out.

        Since millions of people are switching from post-paid to prepaid, the stigma associated with the service is fast disappearing. (To be sure, only people with some coin or as you say “successful” are able to pay $300, plus tax, for the Motorola Triumph.  Compare that with post-paid customers complaining about whether a phone will be $200 or $250.  Or going ballistic over T-Mobile moving toward ending subsidized phones or that they can’t afford $10 price hikes in their plans.)

        Nevertheless the prepaid stigma is outdated (at least in “wireless years,” which I defined in a magazine a few years back as “one month = one year”).  Prepaid is the way of the future.  Mark my words. If you refuse to, the carriers are worried about it.

        Prepaid is like how you used to judge people in the checkout line, if you are that old.  Back then people like you would see a guy using “plastic” and assume “poor guy, he is using a charge card for his groceries.  He must not be successful.” You, of course, were completely oblivious that it was not a charge card, it was what used to be called a “check card” now known as a debit or ATM card.  I remember using those cards, at a Ralph’s grocery store.  People would stare at me and think like you.  Then when I would quickly look their way they would look away. It was a hoot.

        By the way, carriers LOVE people like you.  People who for the next few years at least will pay DOUBLE what they would pay for the SAME service and similar handset on prepaid, simply to be able to say “I am a success, because this ain’t not know prepaid fone.”

        Bonus Comment: On my unprofessional advice, my unsuccessful friends (all of us failures hang together) are planning going to prepaid once their contracts with Verizon and Sprint end.  I’ll tell them to make sure to hide their phones in nice faux leather cases (we “unsuccessfuls” can’t afford the real thing) to conceal any evidence of the phones being “prepaids.”

        • Spooln3

          Pretty sure you cant print that comment from someone else without their prior written consent. Seeing how you don’t own the rights to this sight, and the intellectual property thing still stands, I call bullshit. Though I am impressed at the wall of text and paragraphs you continue to successfully author. Good job. Now go back under your bridge troll, no one really cares about your metro PCS and Virgin Mobile choice. The adults are trying to talk, so let us be, mmmkay punkin? Thanks.

        • Spooln3

          Pretty sure you cant print that comment from someone else without their prior written consent. Seeing how you don’t own the rights to this sight, and the intellectual property thing still stands, I call bullshit. Though I am impressed at the wall of text and paragraphs you continue to successfully author. Good job. Now go back under your bridge troll, no one really cares about your metro PCS and Virgin Mobile choice. The adults are trying to talk, so let us be, mmmkay punkin? Thanks.

      • Anonymous

        LOL… I took a screen capture of your comment.  It’s going in a magazine article about the current state of wireless and the prepaid stigma.  Congratulations, you are going to be famous.

        Despite your derision, you are (unintentionally) correct about the stigma of prepaid.  In my opinion, Virgin Mobile is aware of the prepaid stigma, so much so the Motorola Triumph, that looks like it’s from the Droid family, says “Motorola” on the front, and nothing else.  And on that back “Virgin Mobile” is hard to make out.

        Since millions of people are switching from post-paid to prepaid, the stigma associated with the service is fast disappearing. (To be sure, only people with some coin or as you say “successful” are able to pay $300, plus tax, for the Motorola Triumph.  Compare that with post-paid customers complaining about whether a phone will be $200 or $250.  Or going ballistic over T-Mobile moving toward ending subsidized phones or that they can’t afford $10 price hikes in their plans.)

        Nevertheless the prepaid stigma is outdated (at least in “wireless years,” which I defined in a magazine a few years back as “one month = one year”).  Prepaid is the way of the future.  Mark my words. If you refuse to, the carriers are worried about it.

        Prepaid is like how you used to judge people in the checkout line, if you are that old.  Back then people like you would see a guy using “plastic” and assume “poor guy, he is using a charge card for his groceries.  He must not be successful.” You, of course, were completely oblivious that it was not a charge card, it was what used to be called a “check card” now known as a debit or ATM card.  I remember using those cards, at a Ralph’s grocery store.  People would stare at me and think like you.  Then when I would quickly look their way they would look away. It was a hoot.

        By the way, carriers LOVE people like you.  People who for the next few years at least will pay DOUBLE what they would pay for the SAME service and similar handset on prepaid, simply to be able to say “I am a success, because this ain’t not know prepaid fone.”

        Bonus Comment: On my unprofessional advice, my unsuccessful friends (all of us failures hang together) are planning going to prepaid once their contracts with Verizon and Sprint end.  I’ll tell them to make sure to hide their phones in nice faux leather cases (we “unsuccessfuls” can’t afford the real thing) to conceal any evidence of the phones being “prepaids.”

  • Anonymous

    Well this is my final comment on TMoNews because the transformation is complete, as “they” said in one of those Star Wars movies, not sure which.

    Bottom line first, assuming people in here are with T-Mobile for the same reason as I, we are “value conscious,” I suggest you take a good look at prepaid and check out the phones (Virgin’s Motorola Triumph; Metro PCS’s Samsung Galaxy Indulge).

    http://www.virginmobileusa.com/cell-phones/motorola-triumph-phone.jsp?intcmp=p-hp-mps2-triumphlaunch-072011

    Also, good luck with the AT&T acquisition. I still say that instead of fretting over what will happen that you should take the bull by the horns and check for alternatives. That’s what I did, and I feel good cutting the cord and ending all the uncertainty. And knowing I am saving $2,100 over the next two years feels damn good too.

    Last week my GF ported our one T-Mobile line to Metro PCS, and yesterday I ported my T-Mobile number to Virgin Mobile (unintentionally I have gone back to Sprint, something I vowed to never do since they pissed me off in 2003. But Sprint bought Virgin Mobile and it’s now a Sprint company).

    Both Metro and Virgin are prepaid services, which I think is the way of the future as more and more consumers express an unwillingness to pay $2,000+ for a cell phone (24 month contract plus the cost of the phone). The mass exodus will come as prepaid carriers get decent phones and word gets out that such are available. 

    Also, people will wake up to the fact that paying $2,000+ for a phone and service is a waste of money because they are not or will avoid using carriers’ data plans.  (Consumers will reject two year contracts and high prices when all they mostly do is check e-mails and get an occasional Facebook update.) Moreover, the carriers’ hypocritical money grab will backfire. (Consumers are not that stupid, where they watch commercials advertising all kinds of bandwidth sucking uses for the phones, then punish people with higher prices and label them data hogs, even if they only once in awhile use those services.  For example, if one watched a streamed movie once a week, listened to some music, and downloaded a few apps, he would be branded excessive users by the self-appointed “everyone should be like me, I don’t use much data” clowns who hang in here or who work for the carriers.)

    Anyway, now that there’s great phones available for prepaid, for me that took away the main roadblock to switching. (Signal and service was not an issue since Virgin uses Sprint and Metro has good coverage in my region, San Francisco Bay Area.)

    Since T-Mobile’s customer service degraded to where I dreaded calling them for anything, there went my reason to stay LOYAL to T-Mobile. (Calls would take 45 minutes, hold times were 10 to 20 minutes, and the CSRs were incompetent, rude, negligent. I could go through a list, but I’m not going to bore you with the issues I had.  Besides many fanboys in here think it’s the customers who are the problem, certainly the CSRs of a company that got the JD Powers customer satisfaction award could not be the problem. Does not matter, does it.  I am entitled to be pissed off that one time I suffered an $80 double charge, the CSR said I simply did not know how to read a bill, then a supervisor admitted T-Mobile was wrong, then it took two months after that to finally get my money back. I am entitled to get angered that T-Mobile charged me for T-Mobile TV even though I did not order the service and it took many phone calls and three months to get the $60 back ($10 monthly charge).

    Degradation of T-Mobile’s customer service (and the jerk responses posted in here by T-Mobile employees) obliterated the reason why I stuck it out with T-Mobile. I recall in 2006-07 when we used to post on the boards that while T-Mobile may not have the best handsets or service, its customer service was legend, so we were happy to stay loyal. But that all changed in 2009 when the decline in customer service started.

    Now I have a Motorola Triumph, a prepaid phone with a 4.1″ screen, looks like a Droid, has a 1gHz processor and Android 2.2.2 And what was uber cool, I installed the Netflix app and with my Netflix account I can play streamed movies (I use WiFi, of course, since Virgin throttles like T-Mobile, after one’s 2.5 GB limit is exceeded). It was interesting that Virgin is not even advertising the Netflix app, I simply installed it, in three minutes, from an Android Central link.

    But the main factor I have switched to prepaid, the Virgin plan, with 2.5 GB 3G data, unlimited text and 1200 talk minutes is $40 monthly, taxes and fees included.  And there’s no contract.  If something better comes up, I can sign up for the plan.  If it’s with another carrier, I can simply not pay next month’s bill and the account closes.

    Gone is the 24 month contract (which is where carriers make the big money), gone are ETF penalties, and for me gone is T-Mobile’s rude, incompetent, negligent customer service.

    Yes, all you can flame me and defend T-Mobile, what do I care. After all:

    YOU are not paying MY bill, are you. 

    YOU do not have the same needs and desires as I do, in a phone nor service/data.

    Why on earth would anyone with an ounce of sense govern his or her based on how some stranger lives or based on insulting, rude, or condescending comments made on these boards.

    I will gladly listen to you if you will assume paying my T-Mobile bill and for two $500 phones.  Write me a check for $4,260 and I will even let you call me names in here.  Assuming you won’t take me up on that offer, I am gone.  I’ll be the one paying $2,660 for two smartphones and 24 months of service, that is, instead of the $4,260 you are not going to send me.

    Bonus Comment: You should take a look at Virgin and the Motorola Triumph.  The phone is receiving rave reviews all over the Net.  You can find it on eBay for about $275 now, as competition for sales increases.  It’s $300 on Virgin’s site. Also look at Virgin’s plans.  The plan I have went up to $45, but even that is a good price compared to T-Mobile’s best valued plans, that require a 24 month contract to get.

    Remember, there’s a reason why carriers fear prepaid. There’s a reason why Apple is coming out with a prepaid iPhone.  And there’s a reason why carriers need you to sign that 24 month deal.

    So see you all later, on some other site.

  • Anonymous

    Well this is my final comment on TMoNews because the transformation is complete, as “they” said in one of those Star Wars movies, not sure which.

    Bottom line first, assuming people in here are with T-Mobile for the same reason as I, we are “value conscious,” I suggest you take a good look at prepaid and check out the phones (Virgin’s Motorola Triumph; Metro PCS’s Samsung Galaxy Indulge).

    http://www.virginmobileusa.com/cell-phones/motorola-triumph-phone.jsp?intcmp=p-hp-mps2-triumphlaunch-072011

    Also, good luck with the AT&T acquisition. I still say that instead of fretting over what will happen that you should take the bull by the horns and check for alternatives. That’s what I did, and I feel good cutting the cord and ending all the uncertainty. And knowing I am saving $2,100 over the next two years feels damn good too.

    Last week my GF ported our one T-Mobile line to Metro PCS, and yesterday I ported my T-Mobile number to Virgin Mobile (unintentionally I have gone back to Sprint, something I vowed to never do since they pissed me off in 2003. But Sprint bought Virgin Mobile and it’s now a Sprint company).

    Both Metro and Virgin are prepaid services, which I think is the way of the future as more and more consumers express an unwillingness to pay $2,000+ for a cell phone (24 month contract plus the cost of the phone). The mass exodus will come as prepaid carriers get decent phones and word gets out that such are available. 

    Also, people will wake up to the fact that paying $2,000+ for a phone and service is a waste of money because they are not or will avoid using carriers’ data plans.  (Consumers will reject two year contracts and high prices when all they mostly do is check e-mails and get an occasional Facebook update.) Moreover, the carriers’ hypocritical money grab will backfire. (Consumers are not that stupid, where they watch commercials advertising all kinds of bandwidth sucking uses for the phones, then punish people with higher prices and label them data hogs, even if they only once in awhile use those services.  For example, if one watched a streamed movie once a week, listened to some music, and downloaded a few apps, he would be branded excessive users by the self-appointed “everyone should be like me, I don’t use much data” clowns who hang in here or who work for the carriers.)

    Anyway, now that there’s great phones available for prepaid, for me that took away the main roadblock to switching. (Signal and service was not an issue since Virgin uses Sprint and Metro has good coverage in my region, San Francisco Bay Area.)

    Since T-Mobile’s customer service degraded to where I dreaded calling them for anything, there went my reason to stay LOYAL to T-Mobile. (Calls would take 45 minutes, hold times were 10 to 20 minutes, and the CSRs were incompetent, rude, negligent. I could go through a list, but I’m not going to bore you with the issues I had.  Besides many fanboys in here think it’s the customers who are the problem, certainly the CSRs of a company that got the JD Powers customer satisfaction award could not be the problem. Does not matter, does it.  I am entitled to be pissed off that one time I suffered an $80 double charge, the CSR said I simply did not know how to read a bill, then a supervisor admitted T-Mobile was wrong, then it took two months after that to finally get my money back. I am entitled to get angered that T-Mobile charged me for T-Mobile TV even though I did not order the service and it took many phone calls and three months to get the $60 back ($10 monthly charge).

    Degradation of T-Mobile’s customer service (and the jerk responses posted in here by T-Mobile employees) obliterated the reason why I stuck it out with T-Mobile. I recall in 2006-07 when we used to post on the boards that while T-Mobile may not have the best handsets or service, its customer service was legend, so we were happy to stay loyal. But that all changed in 2009 when the decline in customer service started.

    Now I have a Motorola Triumph, a prepaid phone with a 4.1″ screen, looks like a Droid, has a 1gHz processor and Android 2.2.2 And what was uber cool, I installed the Netflix app and with my Netflix account I can play streamed movies (I use WiFi, of course, since Virgin throttles like T-Mobile, after one’s 2.5 GB limit is exceeded). It was interesting that Virgin is not even advertising the Netflix app, I simply installed it, in three minutes, from an Android Central link.

    But the main factor I have switched to prepaid, the Virgin plan, with 2.5 GB 3G data, unlimited text and 1200 talk minutes is $40 monthly, taxes and fees included.  And there’s no contract.  If something better comes up, I can sign up for the plan.  If it’s with another carrier, I can simply not pay next month’s bill and the account closes.

    Gone is the 24 month contract (which is where carriers make the big money), gone are ETF penalties, and for me gone is T-Mobile’s rude, incompetent, negligent customer service.

    Yes, all you can flame me and defend T-Mobile, what do I care. After all:

    YOU are not paying MY bill, are you. 

    YOU do not have the same needs and desires as I do, in a phone nor service/data.

    Why on earth would anyone with an ounce of sense govern his or her based on how some stranger lives or based on insulting, rude, or condescending comments made on these boards.

    I will gladly listen to you if you will assume paying my T-Mobile bill and for two $500 phones.  Write me a check for $4,260 and I will even let you call me names in here.  Assuming you won’t take me up on that offer, I am gone.  I’ll be the one paying $2,660 for two smartphones and 24 months of service, that is, instead of the $4,260 you are not going to send me.

    Bonus Comment: You should take a look at Virgin and the Motorola Triumph.  The phone is receiving rave reviews all over the Net.  You can find it on eBay for about $275 now, as competition for sales increases.  It’s $300 on Virgin’s site. Also look at Virgin’s plans.  The plan I have went up to $45, but even that is a good price compared to T-Mobile’s best valued plans, that require a 24 month contract to get.

    Remember, there’s a reason why carriers fear prepaid. There’s a reason why Apple is coming out with a prepaid iPhone.  And there’s a reason why carriers need you to sign that 24 month deal.

    So see you all later, on some other site.

  • Mopar6464

    Not assuming here , i have checked the coverage and there is 4G in my area but i bounce between 3G and edge all day long.
    And that’s a large area where T-Mobile states it’s Strong 4G available.
     

  • Mopar6464

    Not assuming here , i have checked the coverage and there is 4G in my area but i bounce between 3G and edge all day long.
    And that’s a large area where T-Mobile states it’s Strong 4G available.
     

  • Jaedimindtrix

    I’m not sure that we will see the iPhone on Tmo as they are concentrating more on android phones. I would like to see both phones on Tmo but only time will tell.

  • Jaedimindtrix

    I’m not sure that we will see the iPhone on Tmo as they are concentrating more on android phones. I would like to see both phones on Tmo but only time will tell.

  • Luisjimenez

    I HOPE STUPID ATT MERGER  NOT SUCCEED I DONT REALLY CARE ATT THEY ARE TOO EXPENSIVE AND DONT OFFER UNLIMITED DATA ANYMORE

    • Spooln3

      wow, well thought out post, Your statements are true and factual and give people much thought and light that there is hope that this stupid merger will not be successful. Down with the sky, Let it snow in hell!!!!!! O look, there goes a unicorn….

  • Spooln3

    Fact – If you get the GREAT service contracts that T-Mobile is currently offering, you get locked in for that rate for the remainder of your contract, why the hell would anyone want to leave, if you get a stronger, broader network, for a third of the current price? Ya, makes total sense to leave t-mo now, you will show them, and the money you will be savi… O wait, you wont be, because you will be over paying for crappy service else where, and overpaying at that. I am glad to see so many people leave, frees up spectrum in my area so I dont have to worry about crappy coverage as it stands today.

    On a side note, not sure if you all know this or not, but the Sale has been completed, a contract has been signed, and if you really honestly think that these senators, and congressman putting up a fuss are going to actually do anything but put up a dog and pony show before voting for this merger, you are sadly mistaken. Its business, big business at that, there are way too many pro’s than there are con’s and I honestly haven’t seen one con that is a true and valid concern. I look for the day that someone actually posts that without bringing in their personal preferences and emotions. Just the facts ma’am, just the facts…

  • Spooln3

    Fact – If you get the GREAT service contracts that T-Mobile is currently offering, you get locked in for that rate for the remainder of your contract, why the hell would anyone want to leave, if you get a stronger, broader network, for a third of the current price? Ya, makes total sense to leave t-mo now, you will show them, and the money you will be savi… O wait, you wont be, because you will be over paying for crappy service else where, and overpaying at that. I am glad to see so many people leave, frees up spectrum in my area so I dont have to worry about crappy coverage as it stands today.

    On a side note, not sure if you all know this or not, but the Sale has been completed, a contract has been signed, and if you really honestly think that these senators, and congressman putting up a fuss are going to actually do anything but put up a dog and pony show before voting for this merger, you are sadly mistaken. Its business, big business at that, there are way too many pro’s than there are con’s and I honestly haven’t seen one con that is a true and valid concern. I look for the day that someone actually posts that without bringing in their personal preferences and emotions. Just the facts ma’am, just the facts…

  • Anonymous

    Apple blows dong like you mama.

  • Anonymous

    Apple blows dong like you mama.