In Depth With T-Mobile’s New Classic And Value Rate Plans

The news of T-Mobile’s revamped rate plans has been met with trepidation as it’s beginning to feel like T-Mobile can’t hit a sweet spot and constantly changes up their price plan offerings. Once again they are trying some drastic changes just as they did with the announcement of the Even More and Even More Plus plans. As we first posted this morning T-Mobile is doing away with Even More Plus plans in lieu of “Value” plans and “Classic” plans which is the newly renamed Even More offering.

T-Mobile will position the new Value plan as the most inexpensive postpaid rate plan they offer along with the pitch that it doesn’t require a data plan. It does however require a two year contract much to the dismay of Even More Plus users who won’t see any reason to migrate over if they wish to remain sans contract. Along with the two year contract, subsidized handset pricing is a thing of the past for Value plans as customers will pay the full price of the handset though they may do so over a 21 month timeframe.

The obvious emphasis here is the savings customer will receive over the rebranded “Classic” plans over the “Value” plans because of the lower monthly rates. Customers who opt for the Value plan will make an initial down payment equal to the price of the phone on a Classic plan and have an additional 20 payments for the overall cost of the phone. For instance the Classic cost of the HTC Sensation 4G is $249.99 with a full retail cost of $549.99. So the initial payment on a Value plan will be $249.99 with installments of the remaining $300.00. For those remaining 20 months customers will pay $15 a month.

Take a good look at the gallery of ninja shots we’ve obtained to get a glimpse of what’s changing and what isn’t. Remember, we’re still around a month away from the expected launch so anything can change. There are plenty of remaining holes that we need to fill in order to get a clear picture of exactly whats going to happen and when. Still, with this gallery you can get a better idea of whats coming, going, staying, leaving and flying away.

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  • Anonymous

    ugghh….im tired of this…..might as well flash a samsung charge to metro pcs

    :/

  • Anonymous

    ugghh….im tired of this…..might as well flash a samsung charge to metro pcs

    :/

  • Petey

    “For instance the Classic cost of the HTC Sensation 4G
    is $249.99 with a full retail cost of $549.99. So the initial payment
    on a Value plan will be $249.99 with installments of the remaining
    $300.00. For those remaining 20 months customers will pay $15 a month.”

    I didn’t do the math yet, but just wondering wouldn’t it be a slightly better deal if grabbing a “classic” plan instead plus you pay that extra $15 a month for data? unless the voice plan is much higher than the “value” plans?

  • Petey

    “For instance the Classic cost of the HTC Sensation 4G
    is $249.99 with a full retail cost of $549.99. So the initial payment
    on a Value plan will be $249.99 with installments of the remaining
    $300.00. For those remaining 20 months customers will pay $15 a month.”

    I didn’t do the math yet, but just wondering wouldn’t it be a slightly better deal if grabbing a “classic” plan instead plus you pay that extra $15 a month for data? unless the voice plan is much higher than the “value” plans?

  • Thecityboy781

    do people get in trouble for doing stuff like this ?

    • http://twitter.com/corys00 Steve Cory

      You’d think who ever is coming up with these new plans would, but nope, they actually keep their jobs…

    • http://twitter.com/corys00 Steve Cory

      You’d think who ever is coming up with these new plans would, but nope, they actually keep their jobs…

      • http://tmonews.com David

        I think he meant the leak. 

    • http://twitter.com/corys00 Steve Cory

      You’d think who ever is coming up with these new plans would, but nope, they actually keep their jobs…

  • Thecityboy781

    do people get in trouble for doing stuff like this ?

  • Tina Romaine

    Okay, I have been with T-Mobile for a few years now… I am so confused by this article and snapshots!!  I wish T-Mobile would be considerate enough to send present customers at least emails explaining how this will effect their plans and the options on an individual basis so we can decide what we want to do ahead of time!

    • http://tmonews.com David

      Tina, this is a leak, this is what leaks are. They are often incomplete. People shouldn’t complain about not having the complete picture when you aren’t even supposed to know these plans exist.

    • http://tmonews.com David

      Tina, this is a leak, this is what leaks are. They are often incomplete. People shouldn’t complain about not having the complete picture when you aren’t even supposed to know these plans exist.

  • Tina Romaine

    Okay, I have been with T-Mobile for a few years now… I am so confused by this article and snapshots!!  I wish T-Mobile would be considerate enough to send present customers at least emails explaining how this will effect their plans and the options on an individual basis so we can decide what we want to do ahead of time!

  • Tina Romaine

    Okay, I have been with T-Mobile for a few years now… I am so confused by this article and snapshots!!  I wish T-Mobile would be considerate enough to send present customers at least emails explaining how this will effect their plans and the options on an individual basis so we can decide what we want to do ahead of time!

  • http://twitter.com/Dominicoo0 n.g

    AT&T..err.. T-Mobile blows harder and harder every day

  • http://twitter.com/Dominicoo0 n.g

    AT&T..err.. T-Mobile blows harder and harder every day

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PCJA7AOZ3OGJENRWTZP3TO6NVY Teresa

    TMO is stupid…why would you sign a contract just to get a cheaper plan?  The price of the handset and the plan should be cheaper as a reward for signing an agreement to remain their customer for 2 years…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PCJA7AOZ3OGJENRWTZP3TO6NVY Teresa

    TMO is stupid…why would you sign a contract just to get a cheaper plan?  The price of the handset and the plan should be cheaper as a reward for signing an agreement to remain their customer for 2 years…

    • Anonymous

      Exactly… the beauty of EM+ is not only that you pay less per month by buying the phone outright (or on FlexPay), but also that you’re not locked into a contract.  The pricing here looks similar to EM+ (at least the family plan we have — though the new plan would give us 250 add’l minutes, and hold us to only 5GB of “Unlimited*” data instead of the truly unlimited/uncapped data we have now) — but if we switched, we’d be under contract, and still paying full price for a new phone.

      • Camille

         The family plans are almost exactly the same.  For the one that I have, unlimited everything with the 5GB “cap”, it’s just 0.02 more than this new plan.  With the exception that I don’t have a contract, and have no plans of changing that now.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PCJA7AOZ3OGJENRWTZP3TO6NVY Teresa

    TMO is stupid…why would you sign a contract just to get a cheaper plan?  The price of the handset and the plan should be cheaper as a reward for signing an agreement to remain their customer for 2 years…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000141417246 David Jung

    i like tmobiles plans but they got pretty lousy phones :P i like how they have a 10 dolalr unlimited data plan xD idc if its slow, unlimited is unlimited o-O

    • Girth Brooks

      You can’t complain about phone selection when you want to have a $10 web plan.

      • None

        Why not?  If I do not care about edge or even below-edge speeds, why can’t I wish for a $10 plan.

    • Girth Brooks

      You can’t complain about phone selection when you want to have a $10 web plan.

    • michael

      are you kidding? The myTouch 4G, G2x, and Sensation 4G are some of the best phones on the market.

      myTouch 4G – my phone..fast, sleek, 4g
      G2x – stock android, one of the most powerful phones on the market because of specs and stock android
      Sensation – its fast, 4.3″ amazing qhd display with curved glass, equal to EVO 3D

      • Petey

        I guess what @facebook-100000141417246:disqus meant was… the only best phone that T-Mobile should carry is the iPhone. lol jk.

        • None

          I would love the option.  I would also love the optioon of Meego, more than 1 windows phone, as well as iOS.  We moan about monopoly, duopoly, and having no choices.  Yet at the same time, there is very little choice in smartphone OS.

        • Nate

          So, you want meego? An OS that hasn’t been released yet and we JUST got word of the first phone to run it?

          And I see the point about choice, but lets be realistic… winphone7 isn’t moving. Why carry more if the product isn’t moving?

          IOS is a valid option, but thatcant be blamed on T-Mobile, that’s an apple licensing issue.

        • None

          I want something other than android (as an option), as hard as it may be for people to wrap their head around.  I want choices. 

        • None

          I want something other than android (as an option), as hard as it may be for people to wrap their head around.  I want choices. 

      • Petey

        I guess what @facebook-100000141417246:disqus meant was… the only best phone that T-Mobile should carry is the iPhone. lol jk.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000141417246 David Jung

    i like tmobiles plans but they got pretty lousy phones :P i like how they have a 10 dolalr unlimited data plan xD idc if its slow, unlimited is unlimited o-O

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000141417246 David Jung

    i like tmobiles plans but they got pretty lousy phones :P i like how they have a 10 dolalr unlimited data plan xD idc if its slow, unlimited is unlimited o-O

  • Humpty4321

    wtf t-mobile

  • Humpty4321

    wtf t-mobile

  • Humpty4321

    wtf t-mobile

  • Stephen

    It says in the screeenshot that people on Even More Plus can’t be migrated to the new classic plans.  If this is so I will leave T mobile as I’m on even more plus and have been waiting on my upgrade to switch over.

    • Lothinator

      Agreed, the lock-in to EM+ is even worse than a contract in some sense. Once you’ve paid off your phone, you should be able to switch to any current rate plan. I guess TMO doesn’t want our business any more!

  • Stephen

    It says in the screeenshot that people on Even More Plus can’t be migrated to the new classic plans.  If this is so I will leave T mobile as I’m on even more plus and have been waiting on my upgrade to switch over.

  • J. Williams

    They get some props for still trying, good job.

  • J. Williams

    They get some props for still trying, good job.

  • Cujo83

    Correct me if I’m wrong.  But I am now currently on the 3 hour deal (Unlimited Everything EM+ for $59.99).  With the new “Value” plan.  I can get the same “unlimited” package for $59.99, but now I have to sign a contract, and be capped at 2GB, and still no phone subsidy?  Doesn’t seem like a great deal to me.

    • Lothinator

      Well you are one of the few who were lucky enough to get that deal, you’re not the “target market”… I signed up for it but they screwed up my data and ended up taking me OFF the deal a few days later, and then wouldn’t put me back on because it was grandfathered! In the end, I was over a month with NO DATA and ended up not getting the deal anyway. Many others had similar experiences with that “deal”.. So count yourself lucky and keep what you’ve got.

    • Anonymous

      I believe you are currently capped at 2GB with that ’3 hour’ deal.  I have the same 59.99 plan from a few years ago but only 500 minutes and I am capped at 5GB.  

    • http://profiles.google.com/aantoine87 akil antoine

      i may be wrong but i thought the EM+ unlimited plan was $79.99, the unlimited plan minus the data was $59.99 which isnt the same thing

    • http://profiles.google.com/aantoine87 akil antoine

      i may be wrong but i thought the EM+ unlimited plan was $79.99, the unlimited plan minus the data was $59.99 which isnt the same thing

  • Doug

    It’s like whoever comes up with this crap has no clue what goes on in retail stores.  These plans will NEVER be sold because they are making it way too complicated.  So the customer gets a cheaper plan, but has to pay the “two year contract price” up front… oh but you have to pay the rest off in monthly installments which makes your MRC more expensive anyway.  So the end result is you still have a contract, you pay the same for the phone up front and your monthly payments are higher….why would anyone want to do this? Am I missing something?

    • Majenta Rulz

      Unlimited Talk, Text, & Web(2GB HS) on a value plan is $59.99 per month.  The same service on a classic plan is $79.99 per month.  The total monthly cost of the value unlimited plan including the purchase of a Sensation with EIP21 payments of $15.00 per month totals $74.99 per month.  If you calculate the total cost over the life of a typical 24 month contract, the value plan equals $2,349.75 whereas the classic plan with its higher monthly rate equals out to $2,119.75 clearly making classic plans a better deal in the long term.  Keep in mind that there are many people who would like a smartphone sans data plan.  Value plans are definitely made for this customer.  I wonder how many people who buy smartphone’s with the intent of using WiFi only end up adding a data plan anyway.   

      • http://profiles.google.com/aantoine87 akil antoine

        lmfao you have made a fatal mistake

        on a classic plan you have to always pay for the phone $2,119.75 + $250 phone = $2369.75……ok your math was off or you already added in tax either way there is no way that the new plans would cost more

        • Majenta Rulz

          The two year cost of the service only on an unlimited classic plan is 79.99 x 24 Months = 1919.76.  1919.76 + 199.99 (Sensation after rebate) = 2119.75.  The two year cost of service only on a value plan is 74.99 x 24 Months = 1799.76 + 549.99 (full price Sensation) = 2349.75.  See, no ‘fatal’ mistake.  The classic plans with the higher monthly cost are still the better deal in the long run.  If you want the better deal in the short term, take the value plan as it has the lesser monthly cost.  The phone is included in my pricing above, however no taxes or fees are included.  

        • Majenta Rulz

          Actually I was wrong…  The value plan should be 59.99 x 24 mths = 1439.76 + 549.99 = 1989.75.  The value plan actually does take the cake, although not by much.  I remember the full investment difference between even more and even more plus were much better options.

        • Majenta Rulz

          Actually I was wrong…  The value plan should be 59.99 x 24 mths = 1439.76 + 549.99 = 1989.75.  The value plan actually does take the cake, although not by much.  I remember the full investment difference between even more and even more plus were much better options.

        • loso

          just read this, sorry. But yes, my point was that value is better savings.

        • loso

          you are comparing 2 diff plans. 79.99 classic is 2gb cap. 74.99 value is 5gb cap. so if you meant to compare same plans you added the 15 dollars or 300 dollars worth of the phone. all u needed to add was 250 price from sensation.

        • Majenta Rulz

          The two year cost of the service only on an unlimited classic plan is 79.99 x 24 Months = 1919.76.  1919.76 + 199.99 (Sensation after rebate) = 2119.75.  The two year cost of service only on a value plan is 74.99 x 24 Months = 1799.76 + 549.99 (full price Sensation) = 2349.75.  See, no ‘fatal’ mistake.  The classic plans with the higher monthly cost are still the better deal in the long run.  If you want the better deal in the short term, take the value plan as it has the lesser monthly cost.  The phone is included in my pricing above, however no taxes or fees are included.  

        • Majenta Rulz

          The two year cost of the service only on an unlimited classic plan is 79.99 x 24 Months = 1919.76.  1919.76 + 199.99 (Sensation after rebate) = 2119.75.  The two year cost of service only on a value plan is 74.99 x 24 Months = 1799.76 + 549.99 (full price Sensation) = 2349.75.  See, no ‘fatal’ mistake.  The classic plans with the higher monthly cost are still the better deal in the long run.  If you want the better deal in the short term, take the value plan as it has the lesser monthly cost.  The phone is included in my pricing above, however no taxes or fees are included.  

  • Doug

    It’s like whoever comes up with this crap has no clue what goes on in retail stores.  These plans will NEVER be sold because they are making it way too complicated.  So the customer gets a cheaper plan, but has to pay the “two year contract price” up front… oh but you have to pay the rest off in monthly installments which makes your MRC more expensive anyway.  So the end result is you still have a contract, you pay the same for the phone up front and your monthly payments are higher….why would anyone want to do this? Am I missing something?

  • Doug

    It’s like whoever comes up with this crap has no clue what goes on in retail stores.  These plans will NEVER be sold because they are making it way too complicated.  So the customer gets a cheaper plan, but has to pay the “two year contract price” up front… oh but you have to pay the rest off in monthly installments which makes your MRC more expensive anyway.  So the end result is you still have a contract, you pay the same for the phone up front and your monthly payments are higher….why would anyone want to do this? Am I missing something?

  • n900mixalot

    Yeahhh … So, I have a FlexPay Even More Plus plan … And I ain’t changing sheeeeyit.

  • n900mixalot

    Yeahhh … So, I have a FlexPay Even More Plus plan … And I ain’t changing sheeeeyit.

    • Cover

      ur credit is prob bunk u couldnt even get off flex pay if you wantedd to.

      • n900mixalot

        Hahahahahahaha no. I get a text every week from T-Mobile begging me to upgrade and sign a contract.

        I delete it along with the texts from your mom begging me to start sleeping with women so she can get some too, but I’m too busy taking your dad up the pie hole.

        Dont try me. Also, give the Flamin Hot Cheetos flavored meth a break and learn how to spell.

        • Nate

          So, you enjoy paying a $4.99 control fee for no reason? You do know that flexpay accounts ARE charged a slight bit more…right?

          Also, the mom jokes were dead in the water ten years ago…

        • Nate

          So, you enjoy paying a $4.99 control fee for no reason? You do know that flexpay accounts ARE charged a slight bit more…right?

          Also, the mom jokes were dead in the water ten years ago…

        • n900mixalot

          More than I enjoyed paying an increasing amount to AT&T every successive month.

          Now I pay the exact same amount every month and I get more than I got on AT&T, including WiFi calling and included tethering, and 4G when I had a device that supported it. I’ve been paying $79/mo for the last 9 months, no more, no less, no surprises.

          They could throw in a fee for the saucy texts between me and your dad for all I care. I know I’m still paying the same amount.

          Is that better? Bringing it up to speed with the dad jokes for 2011?

        • n900mixalot

          More than I enjoyed paying an increasing amount to AT&T every successive month.

          Now I pay the exact same amount every month and I get more than I got on AT&T, including WiFi calling and included tethering, and 4G when I had a device that supported it. I’ve been paying $79/mo for the last 9 months, no more, no less, no surprises.

          They could throw in a fee for the saucy texts between me and your dad for all I care. I know I’m still paying the same amount.

          Is that better? Bringing it up to speed with the dad jokes for 2011?

        • d00d

          I wouldn’t wish Flex pay on anyone but my worst enemies. You talk to India, if you ever have a problem have fun getting that sorted out. 3rd part dealers no longer get paid for flex pay upgrades so I’d imagine flex pay customer’s in-store experience will be affected. 

          Also, why don’t you setup easy pay? That will get rid of the 5 dollar control charge for you. 

        • n900mixalot

          I’m on FlexPay because I don’t want a contract and it was the best plan
          offered at the time. I don’t use those Flex dollars or whatever because I
          pay my bill on time every month. I get a new phone every few months, have
          dealt with them when I needed to switch from 3G to 4G, and seriously haven’t
          had a single problem with them in all 9 months–and the CSRs have been
          Pilipino whenever I’ve called after hours.

          I guess it just works for me.

        • n900mixalot

          I’m on FlexPay because I don’t want a contract and it was the best plan
          offered at the time. I don’t use those Flex dollars or whatever because I
          pay my bill on time every month. I get a new phone every few months, have
          dealt with them when I needed to switch from 3G to 4G, and seriously haven’t
          had a single problem with them in all 9 months–and the CSRs have been
          Pilipino whenever I’ve called after hours.

          I guess it just works for me.

        • None

          From reading your posts and ‘yo mama’ jokes, I suspect you on FlexPay because you are broke and uneducated.  Do not worry about ATT, they will not want you.

        • n900mixalot

          Law grad from top tier with honors. Don’t assume things about people on tech sites.

        • None

          I seriously doubt that.

        • None

          From reading your posts and ‘yo mama’ jokes, I suspect you on FlexPay because you are broke and uneducated.  Do not worry about ATT, they will not want you.

        • d00d

          I wouldn’t wish Flex pay on anyone but my worst enemies. You talk to India, if you ever have a problem have fun getting that sorted out. 3rd part dealers no longer get paid for flex pay upgrades so I’d imagine flex pay customer’s in-store experience will be affected. 

          Also, why don’t you setup easy pay? That will get rid of the 5 dollar control charge for you. 

        • Nate

          Flexpay has nothing to do with contract or no contract. Ha.

          There are contracted flexpay accounts just like postpaid.

          Even more plus plans are no contract. Period. No ifs, ands or buts. Flexpay doesnt change that.

          You chose a flexpay account because they were no credit check, plain and simple.

        • n900mixalot

          No credit check is an option with FlexPay. I don’t know where you’re getting
          your information from, and I don’t care, but it’s wrong.
          http://support.t-mobile.com/doc/tm22546.xml#10

        • Nate

          I love how you try to misconstrue facts.

          Flexpay is offered to people that do not want a credit check, or do not pass a credit check for post paid accounts.

          Being an ex-rsm in a large market, I think I would know a thing or two about how things are run.

          But hey, if I had the ability to have a postpaid even more plus account, or a flexpay even more plus… I know I sure wouldn’t go with flexpay.

          Says a lot about someone, yaknow?

        • n900mixalot

          I’m not misconstruing anything at all. That’s what it says, “FlexPay offers
          a no credit check option …. FlexPay delivers all the benefits of our best
          wireless plans, including our Unlimited and FamilyTime® plans—without
          deposits, activation fees, or overages. Plus you will never be surprised by
          big overage charges because you cannot go over your plans Whenever Minutes
          …. you can get access to T-Mobile’s great rate plans, the >latest phones<
          and a variety of services all with a predictable charge you will pay in
          advance every month."

          That's the language I saw (quoted from T-Mobile's site), that was the plan I
          chose. I've gotten everything I wanted, it was quick and easy to get my N900
          set up, and I got what I wanted. There's no trickery or word mincing here,
          that's it.

        • n900mixalot

          No credit check is an option with FlexPay. I don’t know where you’re getting
          your information from, and I don’t care, but it’s wrong.
          http://support.t-mobile.com/doc/tm22546.xml#10

        • Nate

          Flexpay has nothing to do with contract or no contract. Ha.

          There are contracted flexpay accounts just like postpaid.

          Even more plus plans are no contract. Period. No ifs, ands or buts. Flexpay doesnt change that.

          You chose a flexpay account because they were no credit check, plain and simple.

      • Anonymous

        I have flexpay and great credit. I also get the annoying texts from them wanting to get me off flexpay. I go look at the available plans on the website and they all cost more. Why in the world would I switch from flexpay to pay more per month on a contract.

        Right now I have 300 minutes and unlimited data I use on my nexus one for $59 a month total including taxes and fees.

         I never come close to 300 minutes, and I do use data so switching to the $59 for 500 and 200mb data is a no go. 

  • n900mixalot

    Yeahhh … So, I have a FlexPay Even More Plus plan … And I ain’t changing sheeeeyit.

  • http://ashn.myopenid.com/ Ash

    No more unlimited Hotspot calling, WTF….that was just out like a month ago.

  • http://ashn.myopenid.com/ Ash

    No more unlimited Hotspot calling, WTF….that was just out like a month ago.

  • http://cosmicbreeze.tumblr.com/ DtheArtist

    I don’t really like it all that much. Would’ve been better if we had to pay the classic plan price over the 21 month EIP. I guess though, you do save a lot a month.

  • http://cosmicbreeze.tumblr.com/ DtheArtist

    I don’t really like it all that much. Would’ve been better if we had to pay the classic plan price over the 21 month EIP. I guess though, you do save a lot a month.

  • http://twitter.com/DrBaconator Dr.Prof.Baconator

    How about I just stick with my unlimited everything Even More Plus for $79.99. I am not stuck in a 2 year contract and can leave T-Mobile whenever I want without have to pay an ETF. 

    • Guest

      Is 200.00 bucks that huge of deal? if you dropped down to the new “value plan” w/ 2gb thats 20.00 a month difference… paid off your ETF in 10months

  • http://twitter.com/LoqueID Michael Haddox

    Nothing will ever take me away from my Preferred 600 FT NW … except maybe AT&T, which is why I don’t want them to merge.

  • http://twitter.com/LoqueID Michael Haddox

    Nothing will ever take me away from my Preferred 600 FT NW … except maybe AT&T, which is why I don’t want them to merge.

  • Fluffybeano

    Image 3 lists the Nuron 3…. has that been announced/revealed?

    • None

      Interesting

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VGQMRQOQYPZHFOGRIZ53F646KU Not ice_fusion.

    What if they just went back to their old “Get More” plan pricing, added free m2m to them, reduced data prices to at most what is in the screenshots above, and threw in a myfaves addon for $5 – $10? That seems reasonable, and it seems like a nice “sweet spot” in their plan offerings…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VGQMRQOQYPZHFOGRIZ53F646KU Not ice_fusion.

    What if they just went back to their old “Get More” plan pricing, added free m2m to them, reduced data prices to at most what is in the screenshots above, and threw in a myfaves addon for $5 – $10? That seems reasonable, and it seems like a nice “sweet spot” in their plan offerings…

  • http://twitter.com/therealraduque rm

    I don’t understand the whole contract with no subsidy thing. Is not the whole basis of the contract to recoup the cost of the device minus the subsidy? If there’s NO subsidy, there should be NO contract.

    I shouldn’t have to sign a contract to migrate to a cheaper plan unless I’m getting a subsidized device. Period, end of sentence. T-Mobile, this is a bad, bad move. You’re going to lose a LOT of people without a No Contract service offering.

    • Anonymous

      Right, this doesn’t make any sense, at least from a consumer’s point of view.

    • Anonymous

      This is the point I tried to make above, but less articulately than you, and 40 mins. after you (I should have scrolled down first…)

    • Anonymous

      This is the point I tried to make above, but less articulately than you, and 40 mins. after you (I should have scrolled down first…)

    • http://twitter.com/PaulHarrisonPro Paul Harrison

      And ironically, if the aim is to prevent people from going elsewhere, I suspect the result will be the opposite.

      Part of what keeps me on T-Mobile is that I know I don’t have to stick with them. If I need to change rate plan, I can, without getting into a contract.

      If I have to make a two year commitment, then my first thought is always going to be “Well, let’s see what else is available from another operator?” You might keep me for two years once I make the commitment, but I’m highly unlikely to stay after two years.

      And yes, this is real. The only operator I ever left that, at the time, had no commitment thing, was Sprint PCS (which I left because I wanted a real phone, not a friggin’ IS-95 (“CDMA”) toy that barely worked.) I’ve been customers of Bellsouth Mobility, AT&T Wireless (the original one), and Cingular (because of the latter), and I’ve only stuck with “Voicestream”. Yeah, that’s how long I’ve been with them.

      Look at my current situation. T-Mobile are currently saying “You want a better plan? Well, if you do, you have to commit to two years. In around nine months, we won’t exist any more and you’ll not be able to make serious changes to your plan without making another two year commitment. And by the end of those two years, your phones will be EDGE only.”

      Why would I agree to that? Isn’t it more likely now than ever before that such a “compelling offer” means I’m more likely to look elsewhere? Especially given the fact that all the operators are finally moving to GSM (specifically LTE. OK, Sprint is on the fence, but there are good signs they’re already moving in that direction.)

      I’m hoping the buyout will fall through, and I’m hoping once that happens all of this will prove to be stuff T-Mobile is doing because it had to because of the transition, not because it’s how T-Mobile wanted to do things.

    • http://twitter.com/PaulHarrisonPro Paul Harrison

      And ironically, if the aim is to prevent people from going elsewhere, I suspect the result will be the opposite.

      Part of what keeps me on T-Mobile is that I know I don’t have to stick with them. If I need to change rate plan, I can, without getting into a contract.

      If I have to make a two year commitment, then my first thought is always going to be “Well, let’s see what else is available from another operator?” You might keep me for two years once I make the commitment, but I’m highly unlikely to stay after two years.

      And yes, this is real. The only operator I ever left that, at the time, had no commitment thing, was Sprint PCS (which I left because I wanted a real phone, not a friggin’ IS-95 (“CDMA”) toy that barely worked.) I’ve been customers of Bellsouth Mobility, AT&T Wireless (the original one), and Cingular (because of the latter), and I’ve only stuck with “Voicestream”. Yeah, that’s how long I’ve been with them.

      Look at my current situation. T-Mobile are currently saying “You want a better plan? Well, if you do, you have to commit to two years. In around nine months, we won’t exist any more and you’ll not be able to make serious changes to your plan without making another two year commitment. And by the end of those two years, your phones will be EDGE only.”

      Why would I agree to that? Isn’t it more likely now than ever before that such a “compelling offer” means I’m more likely to look elsewhere? Especially given the fact that all the operators are finally moving to GSM (specifically LTE. OK, Sprint is on the fence, but there are good signs they’re already moving in that direction.)

      I’m hoping the buyout will fall through, and I’m hoping once that happens all of this will prove to be stuff T-Mobile is doing because it had to because of the transition, not because it’s how T-Mobile wanted to do things.

    • Jonathan3579

      If you want no contact then it might be wise to look into Simple Mobile.

  • http://twitter.com/therealraduque rm

    I don’t understand the whole contract with no subsidy thing. Is not the whole basis of the contract to recoup the cost of the device minus the subsidy? If there’s NO subsidy, there should be NO contract.

    I shouldn’t have to sign a contract to migrate to a cheaper plan unless I’m getting a subsidized device. Period, end of sentence. T-Mobile, this is a bad, bad move. You’re going to lose a LOT of people without a No Contract service offering.

  • Anonymous

    Jeez… they’re making this way too complicated… Also, I’m guessing that the Value plans with EIP21 will require credit check and approval

    • BLOOP

      Do you really think they will break down a phone into 21 payments without a credit check? lolol

    • BLOOP

      Do you really think they will break down a phone into 21 payments without a credit check? lolol

    • http://profiles.google.com/aantoine87 akil antoine

      wtf is wrong with you people?

      t-mobile customers hate on t-mobile so much thats why they sold themselves cause they were tired of all the bitching, t-mobile has changed its pricing up so many times for the customers and made it cheaper, cheaper than all the other big companies but its not good enough ever for you bastards.

      sprint cheapest plan is $70 but for a good phone it is $80 and yeah thats good assuming you dont call landlines cause all you get is 400mins, 

      at&t is expensive and doesnt have unlimited internet

      verizon is the most expensive and all their phones look alike and suck compared to t-mobiles

      t-mobile is charging what you already have to pay everywhere else but cheaper and with the option to not have a data plan which no one else offers plus seeing how most phones dont cost as much as the sensation 4g the plans would end up being alot cheaper for most customers…sorry all customers

      • Anonymous

        I don’t hate T-Mobile, I’m just saying it used to be easier… I’ve been a loyal customer for about 3 years and still keep my old Individual 300 with FlexPay plan for $29.99 with Unlimited International Blackberry Service for an extra $19.99. Wouldn’t change it for anything. It’s pretty hard to beat that with any of these new “value” capped, tiered, confusing plans. Or maybe I just don’t like change.

        • http://profiles.google.com/aantoine87 akil antoine

          lol sorry that msg wasnt directed at you, you weren’t really complaining, it was posted under your msg because you were at the top where my msg would be noticed lol, and yes you dont like change lol but if it works then its good

        • http://profiles.google.com/aantoine87 akil antoine

          lol sorry that msg wasnt directed at you, you weren’t really complaining, it was posted under your msg because you were at the top where my msg would be noticed lol, and yes you dont like change lol but if it works then its good

      • Cupcake

        AMEN!!!!   Preach brotha!  Pitiful that you cannot please folks.  There is no way I’m voluntarily going to Sprint, Verizon and gawd forbid AT&T just cause Tmobile is changing up the way the plan structures work.  Why shoot off my foot cause it’s a little confusing right now.  I’ll be footless AND broke paying what the other carriers want.   Tmobile is still cheaper than the rest.  Either keep what plan you have – be happy and shut the hell up and don’t switch….bottom line. 

        And if this merger goes thru, all you haters will wish you had switched to something cheaper so you can still be paying less and lock yourselves into a contract.  I’m looking to the future just in case…

      • Cupcake

        AMEN!!!!   Preach brotha!  Pitiful that you cannot please folks.  There is no way I’m voluntarily going to Sprint, Verizon and gawd forbid AT&T just cause Tmobile is changing up the way the plan structures work.  Why shoot off my foot cause it’s a little confusing right now.  I’ll be footless AND broke paying what the other carriers want.   Tmobile is still cheaper than the rest.  Either keep what plan you have – be happy and shut the hell up and don’t switch….bottom line. 

        And if this merger goes thru, all you haters will wish you had switched to something cheaper so you can still be paying less and lock yourselves into a contract.  I’m looking to the future just in case…

    • Nate

      EIP has always required a post paid account, which has ALWAYS been a credit check up front.

  • Anonymous

    I know this ground has been covered, but it is really funny/bizarre that they call their series of (maxed-out GB) data packages “Unlimited Data” (with a big *)

  • Anonymous

    I hope this leak is to gauge reaction and either adjust this idea or drop it altogether because this seems to be about the dumbest idea yet! Seems you’d do better going with $50 prepaid

  • nerdlust

    interesting I would save about $25 per month with these new plans! BTW have yall seen verizon and att plans? They are skyhigh!!! This is a sweet deal for me. Im not leaving Tmobile until the bitter end. im staying the course!!!

  • Mark

    There was one little tidbit that struck me in there… if you’re on an Even More and want to change pricepoints (i.e., more or fewer minutes), you will have to sign a new 2-year contract.  That’s preposterous.  TMO reps, please correct me if I’m misinterpreting that.

    • PatheticLoser

      Mark – we don’t know. Reps haven’t even been informed about this yet. It’s a leak.

    • Mre1009

      Yup, 2yr contract with any rate plan change :).

    • Guest

      Currently all the post paid plans tmo has require 2yr contract

  • Mark

    There was one little tidbit that struck me in there… if you’re on an Even More and want to change pricepoints (i.e., more or fewer minutes), you will have to sign a new 2-year contract.  That’s preposterous.  TMO reps, please correct me if I’m misinterpreting that.

  • http://twitter.com/KARMA773 Karma

    i have been with tmobile since early 2003 when they were VOICESTREAM.  I
    got one account with five family lines. I was out of contract for 4
    lines so I called to see if there is any deal  for upgrades,  what I got
    was  4 free phones with no account credit. the rep said she would use
    the credit for phones so basically I just get free phones. the 4 free
    phones   are, 1 HTC SENSE and 3 samsung gravity 3 phones. I couldn’t get
    the $10 200mb data  and so $15  200mb data for 24 months. Did I get a
    decent deal? I am still under the 20 buyers remorse.
    hTC SENSE is
    awesome but $15 data and the other 3 phones are old basic phones. Sprint
    currently has $125 switch in credit for  any lines plus some decent 
    phones. advice please

    • LC

      I wouldn’t say this is the most appropriate place to be asking this, but yes you got a good deal. Four free phones? T-Mobile is going to have better coverage and better pricing over Sprint. And you might be able to save money on your plan by looking into some of the new family plans that are out right now.

      • Ashish Kumar

        That might not be necessarily true… phones are free as they are subsidized. With this change they will not be any more… so even though you will not have to pay anything early on, you will still end up paying for the phone monthly. Makes sense?

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VGQMRQOQYPZHFOGRIZ53F646KU Not ice_fusion.

          The OP didn’t mention anything about being on or switching to the new plans (that aren’t even out/announced yet).

          This “phones will not be subsidized anymore” thing you’re talking about only applies to the value plans… T-Mobile is not doing away with subsidized phones in general. Just think of this as Even More + with a contract… people can still choose the “Classic” plans

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VGQMRQOQYPZHFOGRIZ53F646KU Not ice_fusion.

          The OP didn’t mention anything about being on or switching to the new plans (that aren’t even out/announced yet).

          This “phones will not be subsidized anymore” thing you’re talking about only applies to the value plans… T-Mobile is not doing away with subsidized phones in general. Just think of this as Even More + with a contract… people can still choose the “Classic” plans

    • Anonymous

      On your deal:  Really that’s up to you.  Everyone’s needs are different, from phones, talk and data. Personally, even though I doubt I would ever use 2GB data (and T-Mobile knows that from usage monitoring) I like the extra cushion 5GB allows.  So for me, getting that GB number as high as possible, for the lowest price, is important.

      Also, did T-Mobile hit you with any fees (migration, shipping, renewal, whatever)?  With that many lines, extra fees can add up.

      Getting three Gravity phones is silly to me.  Aren’t those entry level smartphones.  I would have insisted they give me three Vibrants at least.

      Lastly, on deals, I’d call Sprint, tell them exactly what T-Mobile is giving you and see what they are willing to do to beat it.

      Then call T-Mobile back, say what Sprint offered and get them to modify your deal to match Sprint’s deal.

      Yeah, this may seem nasty.  But IMHO deciding whether to pay T-Mobile or Sprint $500 to $2,000 extra is a serious financial decision. 

      Carriers hope you only look at the monthly bill and think “that’s not so bad.”  And they hope you don’t total the amount you are agreeing to pay over two years because if you do that you will probably shop around for the best price.

      • http://twitter.com/KARMA773 Karma

        yes i could have asked for real cheap discounted  but good smart phones instead of 3  entry level basic phones like GRAVITY3 or T, but  most of my line users  dont need data phone so having to pay $15 data for each 4 line is costly  in the end. thats why i had to go for non data phones. HTC sense AND THE ENTRY LEVEL PHONES LIKE gravity3 WERE ALL FREE without any fees. she applied $350 credit , but $350 covered for those 4 phones including taxes. so I just got those phones free of any costs but no real account credit.  what you say?

      • http://twitter.com/KARMA773 Karma

        yes i could have asked for real cheap discounted  but good smart phones instead of 3  entry level basic phones like GRAVITY3 or T, but  most of my line users  dont need data phone so having to pay $15 data for each 4 line is costly  in the end. thats why i had to go for non data phones. HTC sense AND THE ENTRY LEVEL PHONES LIKE gravity3 WERE ALL FREE without any fees. she applied $350 credit , but $350 covered for those 4 phones including taxes. so I just got those phones free of any costs but no real account credit.  what you say?

      • http://twitter.com/KARMA773 Karma

        yes i could have asked for real cheap discounted  but good smart phones instead of 3  entry level basic phones like GRAVITY3 or T, but  most of my line users  dont need data phone so having to pay $15 data for each 4 line is costly  in the end. thats why i had to go for non data phones. HTC sense AND THE ENTRY LEVEL PHONES LIKE gravity3 WERE ALL FREE without any fees. she applied $350 credit , but $350 covered for those 4 phones including taxes. so I just got those phones free of any costs but no real account credit.  what you say?